Is the T-14 Armata Better Than The Panther KF51?
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- Опубліковано 24 лют 2024
- When it comes to comparing the T-14 Armata and the Panther KF51 tanks, there's a lot to consider. Are we talking about which one packs a bigger punch, or which one can hit targets precisely from kilometers away? The answer isn't straightforward, as Russia and Germany have put a ton of effort into making tanks that reflect their unique design philosophies.
The rivalry between the T-14 Armata and the Panther KF51 represents a modern chapter in the longstanding tradition of tank design. They each come from different backgrounds, shaped by the engineering prowess and strategic foresight of their respective nations. While comparisons are inherently complex due to specific ways they're supposed to be used and where they'll operate, looking at the strengths and weaknesses of these tanks can give us some useful insights.
In this exploration, we'll dig into the intricacies of their technology, firepower, mobility, and protection. Stay with us as we break down the world of tank design, revealing what makes the T-14 Armata and the Panther KF51 unique.
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It's down to the circumstances, the crews, strategic factors, it's pointless looking for an overall supremacy of an individual tank, it doesn't exist and never did
The T14 has been seen in Ukraine a couple of times. The videos have not been geolocated.
Except in several cases proved in combat over many decades from multiple countries, but other then that theirs none.
agreed
из видео понятно только то что кф51 по стоимости как 3 арматы,а на поле боя 3 против одного очень весомо,в германии один человек уже строил дорогие танки в 1941 и проиграл из за этого)
Если не считать тот случай, что мы произведём его в тысячном эквиваленте
KF51 look like Cyber Tank. Both are good looking
Panther (what a familiar name) is the highest achievement of current tank architecture. Armata is probably a harbinger of new architecture, and by the existence of a completely isolated weapons module (turret) it seems to offer the possibility of easier modernization. It will be possible to compare them honestly after both of them take part in a real war.
agreed
The T14 was scrapped with cost being the factor. The company announced this a couple of months ago. Muscovite Federation can't afford to produce as many that are needed and instead improving current designs to meet need and cost factor.
@@MilitaryTechnologyChannelThe T-14 wasn’t scrapped. They abounded within the last few weeks that it has passed all state trials and is ready for serial production. It is definitely very far behind schedule but it will still be by far the most advanced tank in serial production when that starts this year. They solved reliability Issues have overcome difficulties in mass production.
@@SonOfTheDawn515 lol what a BS i watch russian media and this is the lie of the year
A comparison is premature. The panther is still in development, we don't know what the final version will look like.
same as t14
nothing because it will be too expensive to mass produce
@@katyushatman5187 how is it to expensive for Germany. Are you aware of the k51 panther hull is a modified leopard 2 hull? The same can't be said for armata.
@@travismccraw6013Mercedes & Miele and a ton of companies went from Germany to Russia, China , Eastern Europe thx to globalist bastards like Klaus Schwab Soros and your climate freaks
@@travismccraw6013Your anwering to a russian supporter. Don't bother.
I would choose a tank that uses a drone for long range target detection and acquisition with jamming capability.
It depend on the buyers...
Russia customer prefer it's tank for being relatively cheaper than western counterparts.
But since T_14 is over budget I don't think it will get many orders.
Thousands
They'll sell a modified and cheaper variant of it. Most countries actually sell a weaker version of what they themselves are using, stopping you from arming a future enemy with equivalent weapons. That or They'll offer all those T-72s, T-80s, and T-90s at a cheaper rate, or their more powerful counterparts, or both.
Panther is much heavier than t 14, might be a disadvantage in difficult terrain.
This is true. Atleast in soft and muddy open field terrains that is majority of terrain in this war in which russian tanks are actually effective as they are fast going onwards on fields. However in forestry and rocky terrain like in northern europe i think german tanks and perhaps all NATO tanks would excel muuuch better than russian tanks. Mostly because russian tanks have terrible reverse speed which is crucial in not open terrain where you need to steer veery much and skip obstacles like big rocks etc. In Finland, our leopard 2a4's and 2a6's are fast beasts in rocky forest environments. I have seen Leopard 2a4 go through many quite thick trees with relatively slow speeds and over rocks that are over 1-1.5 meters high, where as in some videos from this conflict many russian tanks have stopped on basic trees like a car on a brick wall but i have also seen them go straight through them too. Also as seen in this war, western vehicles has much higher crew survivability rate which, i think, comes them being heavier with armor and better design. So lightness or heaviness both have up and downsides and where these vehicles excell does depend much of environment they are used and how they are used. Overall this war has shown modern tanks weaknesses more than better on both sides. Rear and bottom is not anymore the most vulnerable sides of armored vehicles but top also and modern times we have more accurate artillery, missiles and drones to attack from above. This war will greatly change how next generation of armored vehicles are designed.
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This one better not get capture, Putin did said that he wants to revise on the Russian heavy tank. And this year the military budget increase by 200%. With so many nato tank being capture, the Russian scientists can skip so many spending on research base on NATO tank heavy design.
@@Benz2533 russia hasn't captured any western tank. Where did you get that from??
@@travismccraw6013 I literally saw leopard 2 parade around Mariopul. Unless you dont count German as NATO member or western. On the bright side, Challenger 2 did not get capture yet, only destroyed, just like Abram but then again, the varient of Abram chassis is capture.
I'll give Germany this they do make the best looking tanks
Neither of them has seen direct combat
The T14 has.
@@phillcasedy2228they were in ukraine?
@@phillcasedy2228you mean on the military parade where it overheated and spilled all it's fluids??! 😂😂😂
@@anthony4123 Syria
@@evwhizzYes similar to Russians are running out of tanks, artillery, man and ammo. Or let’s not forget the best fighter jet the world has ever seen F-22 Raptor going missing, found crashed in the woods.
The T-14 I personally think is a better tank .
However any tank is only as a good as it's operator
Right
yep. See this first hand how Leopard 2A6 suppose to be better then T-72 but ... ho well.
T-14 is first and foremost fiction.
Wise words
@@Benz2533 the 2a6 absolutely seems to work far better than the t-72, of course you cant drive it right through a minefield without losing a track, but we have seen it shrug off two successive atgm hits and just keep going, and they havent really lost many at all, they just have far too few to really make a difference, and they got them way too late. If those atgms instead had hit an t-72 the turret would have gone flying as usual, and the crew would have been charcoal. But even in most of the cases where a 2a6 have been lost, the crew have survived.
Interesting
Which is more resiliant to drone and artillery attacks
Neither. Tanks would be too heavy to transport or be able to maneuver on the battlefield.
Both tanks aren’t in production, the Armata’s that have been made are not operational. The three sent to Syria were going out for operational testing, the nearest near peer they saw would have been an old T-72 at best. It would be interesting to see how they done against ATGM’s.
The technology in the Panther is going to be right up there regardless of what the final version looks like.
I can’t imagine the 130mm being used, if only for STANAG. If however the XM-1 Abrams has an upgrade to 130mm, then expect all new Western tanks to adopt this calibre.
The other reason for 130mm not being chosen is storage, the round is massive, which obviously means unless you are going to make the tank bigger and heavier, you are going to have to compromise on the amount you can carry. Obviously this comes with a knock on affect of resupply, transportation and terrain it can be used in.
Loader Joe will quickly run out of steam throwing shells into the 130mm gun
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Can't find the link anyway now but at first I fully believed the t14 wasn't being used at all but there is a video of it actually being used in live combat now at first I believed it was just a t90m but the clip cut to a different angle and that's when I realized it was a t14 and the story was it was used very briefly about 2 or 4 days but at the end of the clip showing it get hit by a ATGM and it got hit in the turret and the crew did survive however it seems the turret has little armor as the ATGM quite literally peeled the side of the turret off causing the main gun to be exposed with the loading mechanism and after that incident they took them off the field
It's simply which one will come out to play:)
Demonstrator vs. Per Series….what can Go wrong?
KF51 Panther: "Slow and careful stance looking for enemy in sight"
T-14 Armata: "Speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen"
Id take the armata
what are third and fourth generation tanks?
Third gen Leopard 2s, M1 Abrams, Challenger 2.
Fourth gen K2 Black Panther, Leclerc and Type 10.
Russia abandons Armata tank.
The head of the Russian defence conglomerate Rostec, Sergey Chemezov:
Attributed this decision to the tank’s exorbitant cost, indicating that the military is opting for the more economical T-90 tanks instead.
Of course, Russia has to use their resources wisely.
Why should they use it, when the T-90M is absolutely enough for this purpose??
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@@hybridarmyoffreeworld Если бы не было Московского княжества, не было бы сегодня вашего окрайнского государства...
@@foshizzlfizzl we have been fighting your barbaric oriental h o r d e for the centuries , we Litwins know the drill ... "Let us begin with this evident fact: Muscovy does not belong at all to Europe, but to Asia. It follows that judging Muscovy and the Muscovites by our European standards is a mistake to be avoided."-gonzague de reynold, 19501 In methodological terms, one should de-Europeanise any analysis of Muscovy policy.- thomas gomart, 20062 "
T-14 is a completely redesigned platform (incl. unmanned variants), in mass production and battle tested in Syria and Ukraine. The KF-51 is just an evolution of the Leopard (much like the Russian T-90s were an evolution of the T-72) and still in prototype stages.
Russians are 20 years ahead in MBT technology.
KF51 is the new Rheinmetall gun carrier, so it's probably not much better than the Leopards. But where's the LOG on the T-14? How are they going to maneuver over Siberia?
To be honest I would have to do with the Challenger 3. It's previous iteration was the world's finest tanks.
I don t know which one is better, but for sure the germans and then the russians have made the best tanks since WWII
Well the KF51 has yet to be approved for mass production as far as I know
Fpv drones: Ok cool
panther kf, has anti drone
Specs are specs. The only way to know the capabilities of any equipment is to see them in a large scale industrial conflict where neither side holds back. Based on these requirements not even the Ukraine war offers a sufficient testing ground
Wtf are you talking about
It also does not remain restricted just to numerically identical tank vs tank battles and boils down to how they cope with evolving threats and tactics in a long drawn war. Fast maintenance and availability of critical spare parts also matter in coping with attrition issues.
@@knightatdawndonbynight8432 well put.
Genau darauf wird ja hingearbeitet. Bin auch schon gespannt wie diese Show mal endet 😅
nice video, lets compare with leopard 2
The T-14 is still a prototype that has not been put into production. It could be that the Russians are applying what they are learning what they are learning in Ukraine before putting it into production. They seem more interested in producing the latest T-90 and restarted production of the T-80. The Russians are said to have tested some T-14's but it has not been spotted on the battlefield by the Ukrainians. It is clearly not in combat in any numbers. It may never be put into production. If they were going to do so, you think they would have done so by now. Perhaps a production version will show up on the battlefield later this year with a revolutionary solution to antitank missiles and drones that is based on Russian experience on the battlefield.
Russia has had a few setbacks and issues with the T-14. Part of the problem, in my opinion, is that they're developing the T-14 as a versatile and modular chassis. It's not going to be just a tank, but it's also a mobile artillery gun platform, armored AA gun, and possibly other roles. So the real work is the Chassis and engine, then adapting all those interchangeable parts and having it all work fine. They are definitely learning what's going on in ukraine and adapting it to all their projects in development. Russia is probably looking into some ways to maintain or improve effectiveness but increase its scalable production and keep it cheaper than western counterparts.
Though based on some developments that I have heard, from both T-14 and the recent improvements of the AK12, it would seem that Russia is focusing on streamlining logistics, training, maybe reconnaissance with how drones are being used, and overall survivability. A lot of weird moving parts that will most certainly complicate developments and most definitely come with a lot of compromises.
I would go for the T-14 Armata
“Testament to Russia’s tank design” In that case their tank design history is very small is they only have 5-7 T-14s
8:05 what does that even mean?
both beautiful designs
Thumbs down for the Panthers torsion bar suspension.
I don't know if anyone has been in a tank with torsion bars if they break one but it is a major job to fix
Everyone always talks about speed, but you can't really drive fast with a tank without hurting the crew seating in the turret when you enter a hole.
Is this the reason why the Russians don't put crew into the turret? 😂
@@ALP839 the top part is called a turret isn't?
@@yuval1588More or less.
As of now we cannot say whose the best tank,sincePanther still in its development stage. All of these analysis base on paper. We can judge them on actual battle who will stand out. Just like in Ukraine before the arrival of western tank lots of defence blogger and media taunted the ability with hype underdog the russian tank that according to them would change the table to ukraine, but upon stepping on to battle field almost all western taunted tank easily burned out and converted into scrap.
Comparing tanks like that is like comparing apple to pineapple first you need to start at the different military doctrines these tanks are made for because if we take the basic "nato-soviet" leopard and t- series tanks is a completely different
The Koreans have a NATO school of tank building. The Merkava tank was created in NATO countries, England in particular. What experience do the Koreans have in creating tanks?
And you know soviet doctrine😂, if t 14 are expensive, then they use soviet doctrine russia will be come a poor country
Let's see how many are actually manufactured over the next 5 years.
Why is there a debate in the first place... 20 tanks and no future production not to mention that none of the claims made about the t14 have even been verified
Its all about the crew
The T14 is so good it won't get damaged it won't get hit won't even get spotted, almost as if it's not an actual tank...
The Version for ungary will first become a 120mm gun to ammunition compatiblitay to nato when i remember right. Germany goes with the A8. Seen no Aramta beside parades, not much produced and problems with engines (Design goes back to a german engine). The KF51 can use Drones for scouting or attacking. It can have 4 crews -> better mainteance during operation. Ukraine shows: no tank is safe, the question is: which crew lives longer.
At the end of last year, T14 was used. Not in direct combat. The cross-country ability and maneuverability of the base were assessed. We rallied the crews of T14 tanks. And they fired at enemy positions with howitzer fire. Based on the data received, the T14 platform was sent for revision.
And i think they hit their target at 7 or 8 km ? I don't remember
@@feyech8291 this is just too crazy, that is the same range as the alligator heli new update missiles.
@@Benz2533 the KA52 Alligator have a range of 15km with his new missiles.
The T14 have an effective fire range of 5km and a max fire range of 12km with his 125mm canon. They will UP grade the canon to a 152mm ( Its in their plan ) that will UP grade the fire range.
@@feyech8291 Not the new whirlwind missile. the normal cheaper version of missile that get the fuel upgrade mass production and cheaper missile.
No.
Next question...
Panther stands in a tradition...the name still was used...80 years before...the design of the "Panther" and its features...make it to a "Hearttank"...i always will be with the Panther...i am a german...i stand with "PANTHER"!...
how can You compare 2 top secret tanks? yo don't even known the thickness of their shielding
T-14 Armata is better
Personally, I wouldn't want to be hydraulically sealed into a tank, with really terrible optics, but that is just me.
Like comparing apples to nothing ! One exists, the other is a pipe dream.
И всё-таки, меня не перестаёт раздражать, что люди сравнивают вооружение как в каких-то играх. Реальная война - это общевойсковой бой. Чтобы вы хорошо поняли, насколько ваше представление о танках неправильное, узнайте о том, какие задачи ставятся перед конкретной техникой. Вы будете удивлены даже тому, что у каждой техники есть формально определенная роль, а не просто характеристики.
А ты думаешь, у людей, занятых работой, есть время сидеть и строчить комментарии и смотреть глупые ролики от диванных аналитиков?
Здесь сидят инфанты в среднем возрасте от 10 до 50 лет, и строчат глупые комментарии. Они не обременены способностью думать и анализировать.
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Which tank gave better drone defenses?
Does KF51 carry gun-launded guided missiles?
Can KF51 operate on damaged bridges and muddy roads?
Le meilleur matériel est celui qui testé et constamment amélioré en temps réel comme le font les russes, le reste des allemands ou autres sont du matériel de salon.
Armata T14 is going to be a fully automatic unmanned machine in a few years time😎
so u say that kf51 is better tank now ... but t14 will be better tank
btw what u mean by fully automatic??? autoloader?
@@klaabu99 the best tanks get and hold lands and territories. 😎 Tigers and Panthers were more expensive and more powerful than Russian T34. However, Russian tanks took Berlin, and German tanks went to Moscow victories' museums. 🙂
@@klaabu99 it's already semi-automatic. T14 2.0 will be like Tesla with a cannon😁 No fear, no mistakes, no death for operators😎
You are aware that at the end of the war, most of the soviet union was using western gear and vehicles because the west sent 100's of thousands of it because the commi's didnt have sht anymore? 😅
There is a difference. One of them works and the other one had failed to work in public and is in reality scrapped.
Wrong. The operator put the parking brake on
@@mrwhips3623Unbelievably enough are there still some people who don't know this.
Dude, you wouldn't know reality if it bites your ass!
@@mrwhips3623here come the excuses, "nah bro trust me bro it was just the handbrake not the ww2 era engine dying because it's old shit trust me bro"
what changes in a weapon is how adapted it is to the current war, the panther is literally just like the leopard, there is nothing very different about it, unlike the Russians who have been participating in wars and adapting their weapons according to the threats. Germans stopped at the old leopard design, this panter is more comparable with the T-90M which does the same thing to improve an old design which in this case was the T-72., the T14 is completely new.
is it just me, but i don't think there is enough place in armata turret for 45 rounds
Посмотри устройство танка, это недолго
@@HoBoeBpeM9lThose stupid Russians. Can't even count the amount of rounds to fill the turret and give it a shape what isn't obviously able to withstand some gunfire... 🤦How I am loving all you experts. 😂😂😂
ammunition is not in the turret.
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As the Ukranian battleground shows, a tank is as good as his crew and what can it show in real battle, not on paper or in propaganda material.
You can't beat German engineering. It's not even up for debate. IMHO
Why dont tanks have 2 barrels...With auto loader🤔
It's not practical and one hit from any tank shell in the right area is enough to knock out any tank in battle modern tanks focus more on better armour electronics for jamming drones/missiles from man pads ect . And modern tanks pair with air squadrons to and with better optics.
Pretty sure the Russian tank can beat any tank in the world, in a turret high jumping contest.
if you're so tough why do you fight your wars by proxy
The Panter looks better.
T90 is best for money
t 14 has safest crew compartment capsule than all of russian tanks
The capsule has not yet been tested in real combat. But the T14 has already been fired at many times from captured heavy NATO weapons, including M777 howitzers at the training ground.
@@user-fp8je1vr9y LOL
kf51 is just another leo2 variant, armata is a completly new tank what cut ties to its predecessors
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both will get shwacked by a 2K$ drone.
6:45 slight mistake in an AI text to speech algorithm. The guy starts using French accentuated words with an English accent lol.
T-14 upgraded since 2014 and with combat in syria and ukraine briefly to test weapons and systems from long range. I would say it's light-years ahead of the rest.
There might be more prototypes of the KF51 than actual T-14 in the world. Think about that.
There is only one prototype.. So, not really
You cant compare these tank's because no one knows what they can do damn click baite vid's.
I'd rather a T14 in my garage.
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didnt T14 broke down twice in a parade and since 2014 only 20something has been made ? and still russian tanks don't have blow out panels so basically to each destroyed tank there will be a destroyed crew(most likely)
Сколько же необразованных людей сидит в Ютубе...
Didnt you said you had low iq? 😂
The Arfarta tank is just a properganda tank and those few that have been made I pretty sure Russia is to scared to employ them or there are still problems with the desighn and they can't do what is advertised. The KF51 Panther is just a demonstration tank and if it goes ahead I'm sure it will be way superior than the Arfarta Russian properganda tank.
Bist Du Dir sicher, soso.
Ich bin da nicht so sicher.😅
Is the Lada Niva better then Mercedes G?
Yes,yes it is
5 dollars. I'll take one dozen please
both if them won't meet until the next decade war party time 😅
Challenger 3 thanks😊
real question is... should we even allow Germans to develop their own tanks? ... at least they didnt name it Panzer
It's all fun and games until we hear tiger 3
invest in good loitering munitions🤣
You cant compare these tanks as they have not been into combat. One is fairly new (KF51) and the other hides in hangers far from battle (T14).
One big difference between them is that the Panther KF51 actually exists...
there are 2 Prototypes, one only made for optical use. The T14 has already about 30 models that underwent testing. So, what was that?
Wow 30 you say I’ll take the Korean tank . Thats the safe bet the ruzzians have shown just to be a paper bear .
@@darkrolf7185 you are right, and I was wrong. It was an attempt to make a joke.
@@darkrolf7185nah 100 are in production for now about 1000 by the time the ukraine war ends
@MrRacing44 but they took over 45 percent of ukraine 😂😂 lol
U don't even do your research and only hear second hand information
Germany
T-14 Came out in 2014 ten years ago,not in Ukraine?panther still in development
The panther will be rubbish just like the leopard 2
I would like to add the Russians have had a REALLY REALLY REALLY BAD run with its tank engines all T series tanks had extremely heavy issues with the engines breaking down in combat and High maintenance cost to repair and maintain the engines in combat conditions so I dont want to hear about the engine of the T-14 because even Ukrainians have called the factories of these tanks to complain about the engines as a joke to say we captured your T-72B3 because they were even having a extremely hard time fixing them
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No thank is safe on this earth
both wont be able to produce these tanks in substancial numbers due to economic reasons
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@user-fp8je1vr9y its true Germany in recession and already struggling to maintain its current equipment and Russia is busy on the front and needs alot of tanks in mass numbers so they are focused on already existing platforms and upgrading them t 14 will come along when it has solved its engine to be mass produced but by that time they will go with another platform instead of t 14
German Power Tank
If I had to choose which is better, I'd go with the Armata if only because the most common sentiment is for as advanced as Western tanks are, they can be a logistical nightmare whereas Russian tanks aren't as annoying to support. I mean, Russia's been chucking out tanks like crazy lately and I would find it odd if they choose to change from their "keep it simple, stupid" approach
Russian technology is not based on the principle, the cheaper, the better. The military industrial complex of the USSR and Russia is built in balance on the verge of madness. 3 basic rules, practicality, maintainability and speed of production. Cool expensive equipment differs from cheap equipment in that with expensive equipment it is more difficult to make up for the loss. This does not mean that Russia does not care about the tank crew or soldiers. No matter how cool the army has, if your commander is an idiot, you will still lose the tank, no matter how expensive and immortal it is. The T90 fight with 2 Bradleys confirms my words. The idiot commander lost an expensive tank.
Why are there no T14 Armata wonder tanks in Ukraine????
99% of tanks wil not be destroit by tanks
Have the Russians actually made more than a few demo T14’s 🤔
I hate to say this, but the T 14 is kind of better at least on paper, than the KF 51......the T 14 design is just too revolutionary good! Alos, the Armata, has a 152mm gun, being developed. It will have a range of up to 10.5 km, with just dumb projectiles.
Externally, the Panther looks more predatory and futuristic. I'm still betting on T14. It is simpler and cheaper to manufacture, maintain, and equip. T14 is easier to upgrade; there is no crew in the turret. T14 is created by engineers who have extensive military experience and training in the manufacture of tanks. What experience do the Koreans have in tank building? The Israeli Merkava tank was created by England, Germany and Sweden. The Abrams tank was created by the USA, Germany, Sweden, Japan, etc. The Leopard tank was created by EU countries. The Leclerc tank was created by EU countries. The Challenger tank was created by EU countries. The Ariete tank was created by EU countries. How many countries need to be removed from the production chain to make NATO tanks worse? The T14 tank was created by Russia.
Bigger gun doesn’t mean its more accurate than panther gun
Armata is better and test-proved...but Panther has best looking
Armata isn‘t better. I mean there are only 12 of them and the Panther is still in development
Test proved where in the red Square after the engine on one of them died ? 😂😂
"@@anthony4123 "12 of them" precisely explain it is better than none :-)
@@madalinradion yeah, that's better than off in the battle field.
No cope cage on any of them....
In short: nobody knows.
on paper every tank is somehow good, but we see in Ukraine that specs are just specs, every single NATO tank and Russian/Ukrainian tank stood in flames hit by some small drone
We know f*ck all about either of them 😂
Both also not in any real production and they are not fight with each other
How many T-14s are there? Like 15? Rofl