Are Golf Lessons REALLY Worth It??? - Golftec Review Week 4 - Golf Test Dummy
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Reverse every natural instinct and do the opposite of what you're inclined to do, and you will probably come very close to having a perfect golf swing.
Ben Hogan.
Moe Norman said he used to try to hit his positions and he'd practice holding himself in those positions for a while to get muscle memory!
Yep, I remember reading that years ago from Mr. Hogan. I've always carried that knowledge with me that golf is a game of opposites.
Just to be clear - Jessica is the star of this series. She’s amazing! LOL
I think lessons are totally worth it. I will say this, it’s definitely about the instructor/coach - which why people drop off (outside of financial obligations). If you have an instructor like Jessica that can show you that you’re developing, you will stay motivated. Coaches are like managers - in that people don’t leave jobs or companies, they leave managers. If you have a great coach like Jessica, you tend to stay the course as she seems to have a personal investment in her clients.
Lastly, I think we feel in our own minds that our development/improvement cycle is faster that what it really is. I’m blessed to still have some athleticism at my age so I get really down on myself when I don’t feel like I’m getting better. Improvement is going to take time - it’s a grind until that one day the wheels finally catch and then you’re on to the next level.
I'll agree with all of that. Great points all around!
Loving your journey man! Great series. Like watching your progress. Get some bro!
Working hard on it. It's definitely not an easy task to change things drastically.
I’m starting lessons at Golf Tec next weekend thanks to this series. Great job Chad!!
That's great, Mat! Best of luck to you, many thanks.
Another really interesting episode. Loved it and well done.
Thanks a bunch. This one wasn't the easiest to make in certain regards.
It was great meeting you the other day! I am currently taking lessons at Golftec. I was newbie. Started in January. I love learning how to play this game. I signed up for a full year. BTW, I have been watching your videos even longer 😉
Haha, great meeting you, Toa! Thanks so much for the kind words and support. I hope your Golftec results are fantastic, and best of luck to you!
Hi Chad, been watching your channel for years. Love your work. Ive just come over from Jim Venetos system . I tried it because of old lower back and elbow injuries. Yeah, i could play more often but that was it. Im in thailand and the nearest golftec place is singapore. After watching week 1 to 3, I'm intrigued and trying some of this at my local range. Not as much hip turn means my lower back is happy and so far, so good.
That's great news, and thanks a bunch for the support. I'm not sure how far the Golftec is from you, but maybe they'll open one closer to you soon.
All seriousness Chad, swing looks so much better than at the beginning of the series. Keep up the grind. You mentioned committing to the changes, I started stack and tilt in 2020, with a 7 hdcp. Just got an update on that and it’s a 2.5. It takes a while! Thousands of range balls and dry swings in the house suck, but embrace the suck if you want to get good! (Dismounts soap box)
Many thanks and will do!
Thanks for doing this.
To hit a fade. all that you need to do is approach the ball from above the shaft plane with the clubhead then onto the plane more or less at impact and then to below the plane in the follow through ("swing left" for a right hander) or as some people term it swinging from high to low and vice versa for a draw. This way the clubhead is never completely squared to the arc of the clubhead and the ball will automatically fade (more for a driver than an iron).
This is for a fade the starts left and works right for a rightie. I still see the tendencies that I've talked about the last couple of times and your body motion continues to look way better in many of these swings. Since the clubhead is tending to move around and low very fast in the backswing, you are reverse looping it a bit from flat to steep in the transition which means that you have a bit of a stall of the clubhead dropping behind your turn and then you're forced to release a little on the trail side and scoopy with the trail hand.
The move where you are leading with the back of the lead arm through impact is essentially a way of delaying the full release of the hands and arms and that becomes necessary in my opinion because of what I described above. If the clubhead comes up steeper in the backswing, then in can drop in behind the hips while you remain in posture as the club drops (completing a more steep to flat loop) and the release can happen more naturally and doesn't have to be held off so much.
I realize that you are working a lot on body motion right now and that's somewhat hard to balance with clubhead, arm and hand considerations but I think that if you incorporate this change at some point, it will help a lot since you'd be hardpressed to find a successful tour pro that has a clubhead, arm motion pattern like that.
Two of the flattest takeaways among known tour pros are Dufner and Jiminez but you still find in examing their swings that the clubhead takes much longer to pass the hands (start moving towards the rear of the body) than yours does. Jiminez also raises his arms quite quickly in the early backswing. These difference function in the backswing to create room for a more free release in the downswing. I hope that you find this helpful. Cheers.
I am enjoying this series very much. I play with so many guys that play with love but not much skill. Many have never seen their golf swing. Sometimes it’s painful to watch😢
Feel can be so insanely different from real, and self delusion is rampant.
My coach @golftec is great. I’m 53 and never have played before. When I get really discouraged, he puts my side by side up from first swing to my latest. The improvement is drastic, but my competitive personality is never happy. I do put in the homework, I bought a spornia and a mat. I use hand me down clubs to practice with. I also bought a Mevo+! Wife wants to see progress!!!
Haha, fantastic!
Golf swings are like your fingerprints. It belongs to you. Brain Harman just won the Open with a swing I have not seen change since the first time I saw him. Scottie Scheffler is number 1 in the world and was Tied 23rd and his swing is as old school as you can get comparing it to Tommy Fleetwood and Rory. I think knowing exactly how you get results with your swing is better than messing with it or trying drastic changes. IMO...
That goes back to the old saying, "Swing your swing." You definitely shouldn't try to fix what isn't broken, so a good question to ask yourself before you takes lessons is, "What do I want to achieve?".
I just found out about an app called "swingtweaks" that you upload a video and a professional coach reviews it and gives you 1-2 things to work on. Only $22 a lesson, so far I've only used one but really like the feedback I got! Planning on doing 1-2 "tweaks" a month. I think that maybe the path forward, small changes over time that will hopefully add up to some big change over the course of a few months. Doesn't break the bank, you don't have to try to completely overhaul your swing, and your still getting professional advice!
Enjoying this series, how much longer are you going to continue it?
Pretty cool stuff, and with AI coming along as it is, makes you wonder where golf coaching will be in the future. I'm not sure how much longer this series will go, but I'm enjoying it.
Imo the most important things to get better at golf is practice, lessons and a proper club fitting. Golf Tec can offer instruction and get you fitted into the proper equipment. For the past 33 years I’ve been playing with equipment that wasn’t fitted to me properly. After a 2 hour fitting session with the Wilson Staff rep I went from 2 degrees upright, 1” over to 1/2 “ over and 1 degree flat. I made much better contact. He also helped with my swing flaw of an early release and standing up through impact. My advice is if you find a good instructor stick with it and practice. Also let them look at your equipment too because those adjustments can help as well.
There will be a club fitting in this review, so stay tuned.
As a Golftec graduate(?) I can say their system improves your golf scores but even with the discipline that Golftec adheres to…It’s the coach who is the most vital part of the improvement puzzle. Steve Fox (my Golftec coach) You dropped my handicap from 16 to 8 which was below my target. At 72 this is my lowest ever handicap and if Steve Fox was still coaching in. My area it would be even lower. Miss you Steve
That's true. The technology is just a tool, but the coach is the real force that drives improvement.
Most coaches have the technology, so it’s not that that differentiates them, it’s their coaching ability that does that. Most coaches are crap, so finding a good one in your area is hard. You’re lucky that you have one near you. I’ve looked for a good coach and have not found any that are good. Most want to put you into static positions ( P1, P2, P 3, etc, and no one swings from a static position), get you to swing like the latest Tour Pro winner, swing in a way that takes you out of your natural swing sequence, or put you into some contorted position that will hurt your back. A golf swing should be natural and unique to you and not some cookie cutter look like him or her swing. So, golf lessons are worth it if you can find a good teacher, and, yes, you must do your homework and practice, you must stick with it, because change takes time, slow and steady is the mantra. I do believe most people give up because they are looking for the magic bullet or magic move, and they want it instantly. Nothing worthwhile is ever easy, if it was, everyone would be good. Cheers
Lessons can be very helpful
The proof is in the side by side, no doubt.
Any reason this Golftec doesnt have a projector displaying ball flight etc on the screen like its providing on the TV? Was that a choice? If not, they need to step it up given what they charge for lessons there...
I'm not sure, honestly.
I have a unique question. I have watched several of your in depth methods on different techniques. I wanted to know which one you would recommend for a trail are dominate person?
I have cerebal palsy on my entire left side and I was hoping you might be able to recommend a technique that my best serve me. Thanks in advance
If you have the ability to hold the left side fairly solid, the Right Sided Swing by Gary Edwin is awesome. I've been kicking around the idea of trying that one again soon.
@@GolfTestDummy Thank you so much. I purchased a membership to Gary's site. I hope you will revisit it. Your help is greatly appreciated
Best of luck to you!!
Golftec NR and Jess are awesome
I have to agree. 👍🏻
I'll say you have to put in the time. People that are good play a lot or practice a lot. Whatever your swing looks like can you repeat it over and over. When you can you will get a predictable outcome. You have to do the work. That's it.
Yep. I've said it often. Coaches can give you the pills, but you have to take them, over and over, for months and years.
I think that lessons can defenetly help. However it takes time and lot off work. You also have to commit to one coach and trust what he says. Most people just want to have fun and don't need "second job" 😉
True. Decide how seriously you want to take it.
Leslie Neilsen quoted that the only thing you learn from golf lessons is that you don’t learn anything from golf lessons 😅
Seriously though I’m not sure how you could take this to the field of play twisting and turning in a way which feels unnatural and awkward is never going to work on course. Though I understand what it’s trying to achieve it’s amazing how soon the body wants to forget about it outside the classroom.
Good luck with this chad hope it’s helping you.
Lol, that validates my reasons for these reviews. To find out if the products or methods can deliver. The only difference is, if you review a product, you tend to get a quick yes or no. With completely changing your swing, results take much longer.
I agree , too much focus on body positions takes away from actually hitting the ball.
I believe that lessons is for younger players, as you get older it's harder to get in the proper position. Now at 72, it's basically to hard due to my body poor knees I have to be careful, if your body is in good shape go for it.
I understand, believe me. Like I said in this video, it's not about getting into the positions perfectly. Just try and move the needle as much as you can in the right direction.
GTD : I took a quick look and didn't see any videos by you on "reverse the loop." I mention this because I've tried the various swing methods and always had some issues. Mike Malaska has a cool video ( also Jess Frank and others) explaining how this reverse the loop momentum puts you in the right position automatically. It doesn't seem logical - until you do it and see the results. I'm not saying it's for everybody because nothing is. Also, you don't have to be like Matt Wolfe; watch Fred Couples "Full Range Session" and you can see the purity of it. I assume you've tried this? I do the loop and just wait and the club seems to swing itself. The right shoulder and chest are driven to the correct position by the momentum, which Malaska points out. 100% of the guys I see on my course all hang back, come over the top and flail away. There's no way I could do this OTTFI that Christo is pushing on My Swing Evolution. For me that was a total disaster. Did you do a vid on this clockwise loop? Thanks.
I didn't do one on the reverse loop specifically, no. But, I did a video a while back, trying to fix my takeaway, and I made some very similar movements trying the general idea out.
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Thanks, GTD. Chuck Quinton (Rotary Swing Golf) also has vids on this loop. I observe everybody on the course and the one commonality is they all pull it over counter-clockwise starting down and hit tons of chunks and mishits. I'm talking everybody here! That's the natural tendency. Also, instructing myself to "swing to right field" is more bullcrap, as Jess Frank, Jimmy V, Chuck and others point out. That results in steering, destroys momentum and causes early extension. I know the GTD - video on CLOCKWISE LOOP coming up shortly!
Furyk, Couples, Wolfe... many others had great success with this. Sure, Bruce Lietzke, Snead and others pulled it inside and came over (not over the address plane, like hacks do) but, as Malaska pointed out, the average guy probably can't pull it off. Freaking Lietzke never even practiced and owned his swing.
Malaska explains it nicely. Start with a big loop and gradually reduce it. No success for me with Saguto and that inside takeaway but I do favor a left post pivot.
I could greatly improve your swing in 30 minutes for nothing. Well maybe a cold beer. Just being honest Chad. When you feel like you've hit a wall and stopped progressing you must backup.
I can definitely identify and attest to that. Go back to the "last known good configuration". How would you fix my swing in 30 minutes?
@GolfTestDummy Awareness of certain body parts at setup. Posture Scapula retraction, and the through understanding of the lowerbody pivot and the use of the trail arm in both the backswing and more importantly the downswing.
@@mslu62 Sounds too technical for me. Cheers 🥂
Where is this weeks golftec update?
I was sick all week and missed work and my lesson. Back this Sunday.
So many times I've thought about getting a lesson. Always decided not to. I'm reconsidering.
It's pretty eye opening.
If you are a kid or just beginning, then probably. Otherwise you are having to overcome a swing that has been ingrained for years or decades. And that philosophy of getting worse to get better doesn’t hold much weight during the golf season. At least for me. Finally, it is the results that matter. Who cares if you look like a pro if you are shooting higher scores?
Very true, that there are no pictures on the score card. It's all about scoring.
I think feedback is crucial as well. You can spend a week practicing the wrong thing between lessons. I also think you have to record your swing when practicing. The closest I got to a swing change was working with Kirk Junge at setup4impact. You can send in videos daily for very cheap and he responds very quickly. Going to give it another go after the season.
Lessons with "video" like this could be very helpful.
90% of people who play golf should just work on short game. That will affect their score more than anything else they can do. My opinion. Look at this open championship.
Couldn't agree more. There have been studies about driving distance and how it helps scores most, so short game and putting have "taken a hit".
@@GolfTestDummyChad, it’s interesting that Harman’s driving distance is what Spieth was hitting it 6 years ago in winning the Open, then Spieth decided to chase distance and led to 3 years of real struggle, instead of chasing distance Harman doubled down on accuracy and now has a Claret Jug
@@jimmcewen9351that’s the problem with all these pros, they all chase distance which makes them swing out of their shoes, it’s amazing how these guys can’t hit a fairway. They hit golf balls for a living and should be able to consistently keep their shots within 10 yards left or right.
What also amazes me is they all have coaches constantly watching them, tinkering and probably screwing them up.
At what point does the coaching stop. They could all hit the shots, doing it under pressure is the difference.
Look at Wyndham Clark who won the US open, he got rid of his coach and hired a mental coach. Or Rory with all his talent, he should be winning a lot more
but the fire isn’t there, Tiger won because he was just more mentally tougher than everyone else, same as Hogan.
Where’s week 5? Come on bro! 😂
Haha, week 5 will be tomorrow morning. I was sick all last week.
@@GolfTestDummy That sucks man. Hope you’re feeling better! Looking forward to the video.
Um, we are old and fat though. Might wear a hat so the dome doesn’t burn.
Haha, anytime I can blame it on something else, I'm taking my shot.
Maybe I missed it, but Is that how the golf swing is taught at GolfTec? The instructor just stands behind a desk watching your swing on a monitor and makes suggestions? I know it's for content but I think I will pass from robotic Golftec lessons.
Oh no. She hit a few shots, shown me the move to make herself, guided the club through the path, etc. What you see in the videos are just clips. You'd need a camera operator to make a solid video from everything.
@@GolfTestDummy Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Just seemed like impersonal golf lessons.
Did you stick Shawn's wisdom in golf teachings or moved on to something else?
This is another review, like that was.
The GolfTec studio you're in doesn't look very professional. It looks cluttered and messy.