Hey guys absolutely loved the video it was a fun comparison. Corolla was expensive with the dealer markup I would still go for the Mustang you can't beat V8 sound and horsepower
@@aone7640 youre buying a sports car to have fun in it. Shit will break when you hammer it, so you might as well have 180 horsepower more fun for your money
@@aone7640 toyotas are not reliable. Maybe 30 years ago, but that turbocharger will explode at 28psi in less than 100k miles. The coyote will go 200k. Remember, sports cars are pushed to the limit.
About the dealer markup: I work at a Toyota dealership and I’ve seen if you’re committed enough, you can haggle the dealer to get it with a reduced/no mark up.
Cheap, all you can eat sushi though. I mean it's not even faster than a regular, non performance, non-"speed" Mazda...and it has a super low end interior...It's kind of embarrassing for that price.
You’re not wrong lol. I’ve driven Mustangs through many Chicago winters. Growing up my dad’s only car was always a Mustang GT and he never had any trouble driving the family around. My brother, my mom and I. Now I’m doing the same thing lol.
I drove my mustang gt performance pack 6 speed 50 miles across the Charlotte snow storm battling ice and snow to rescue stuck family member. Saw crashed cayman camaro and more. Snow/rain mode works on the mustang 👍🏾
A ton of mustangs are daily driven year round in the snowy areas of the country, really no differently than a cheap fwd car would be. It’s all about the driver.
My 24' GRC leaves Mustangs, Chargers, Challengers, and other American V8s behind in the mountain passes. The GR Corolla was made for circuits and hairpin roads, while Mustangs are built for drag racing and straight-line speed. It takes more skill to drive a GR Corolla with rev matching, weight displacement, hitting the correct race line apex, and controlling oversteer and understeer. I'll take a GRC over a Mustang any day.
I know this video is for shits and giggles but I actually had a Mustang GT trying to race me in my GR Corolla. I still have the temp. plates and I’m driving it like a granny till I break it in so I’m not even trying to race anyone. His momma must be proud of him trying to race against a 3 cylinder,1.6L car with a Mustang GT.
they never mention how much power a boosted 5.0 will make or the fact that it can handle 1000 hp on stock internals. comparing these two cars in the first place is the real joke 😂
@@itsgojoverfr in what world does a comparison between a muscle car and a shitty corolla make sense to you? this video was two non-car guys trying to talk about cars. at least compare two cars that are made for performance
@@Jmulvez dude its funny how ignorant you are despite living in a first world country. Not everyone drives straight on highways, where i live smaller cars with good maneuverability are preferred and if you get performance as well then it's a great deal
Definitely have to enjoy V8 manuals while they’re still around. Happy the V8 Mustang is still here. The new S650 Mustang is so similar to the previous gen S550 Mustangs. It’s more like a facelift more than a new generation. I purchased a 2021 GT with 30k miles for $30 out the door 3 months ago. With only 2 performance mods (Headers and E85). I was just above 500 whp to the wheels. Tracked my Mustang twice so far and with Magnaride suspension from factory the car was a so good on race track. Takes turns really well and fast on the straightls. Not as engaging as my BRZ on track but pretty close considering how much bigger the Mustang is.
@@deven3286 The BRZ is definitely a fun analog car. I like street driving with it because it's fun driving a slow car fast. Less chance of getting in trouble. The Mustang is also a fun car but spirited street driving can be scary at times because it's too easy to go fast.
I've seen a couple or so. They're hard to distinguish from a normal Corolla. One young woman in a GR Corolla was stoked that I knew her car was special.
@@BC08 I’m just saying for a daily driver that is way expensive considering how often you have to fill it up. It equates to $100s of dollars every month just to get to work and run errands. I would basically say that owning a mustang is like owning an expensive toy that bleeds your pockets dry if you’re using it to commute. But if you can afford that then more power to you. I’d personally rather save money and use it elsewhere and not be broke.
I own a 2015 mustang and can agree the interiors are thrown together. My car is garaged all winter and low mileage yet all the chrome bits flaked off and look terrible. It’s sad cuz I take care of my mustang but between the terrible soft paint quality and cheap interior quality this car has a lot of things that bug me. Having said that the coyote is the saving grace and I’ll never sell her
GR wins in time spent at the shop being repaired. Spend all day getting fixed gets driven for 20 minutes then back to the shop for more repairs. Jap scrap.
@@juanc5149 e85 isn’t available in my section of Az. Nearest station is 1.5 hours away. I have a bigger intercooler and a bigger radiator. But 110 was a nice day here last summer, we had 3 weeks strait of 120-130 degree days 😂.
@@lucian7182 There was only one day in 2023 where the weather was 120 in lake havasu city in 2023. 0 days in Yuma where the weather was 120 or above in 2023. Those are the only places where it’s marginally warmer than Phoenix. I had great results in Phoenix with my setup, with realistic actual 110-118 weather. Water and water wetter. E85 is the shit.
@@juanc5149 bullhead city had a 120 degree day in July 2023. Although thermometers that actually sit in the sun all day regularly showed temps in the mid 120’s. But unfortunately out here in rural AZ they don’t do the ethanol, 4 out of 5 gas stations I called to ask didn’t even know what E85 was.
Hate to inform you Tommy, but here in SC that Mustang (like my 19) is a 4 season car. Could care less about hauling ANYONE else in my car cause it's just for me. LOL
It's a 4 season car in Utah with winter snow tires. I commute in mine year round, with a soft top. home and work it's garaged so no problems. Also have 2 kids so no problems getting the family around.
I was actually able to order my GRC from the dealership and only paid MSRP. I was able to fit a 55" TV in the back, and driving in the snow was not only a breeze but fun. Love my car.
Listen to ones self "only paid MSRP".... in a time where most dealers are absolutely STUCK with tons of cars they cant sell even at massive discounts. and your happy about paying full price.... its no wonder dealers take advantage. Voting with ones wallet speaks volumes to what value a item has.
@@ramair325where are you living where you’re finding all these cars for way under sticker price? Even if you’re not lying you should know that’s NOT the case everywhere at all.
The GR Corolla is in my top three achievable dream cars. It looks like fun, only thing I want more is an vw R34. That being said, the new Celica is going to be wiiiild!
Classsic action is faster than reaction. When Tommy was counting down the start he got a better start every time. Néed to have a third party help with the starts.
wait till you find out its not 50-60k. more like 40-44k out the door. In my personal experience i picked up a GR corolla for 39.6 Out the door. "the more you know"
I’m a hot hatch guy. Mustang is clear winner. If you’re buying the Corolla you’re buying it to have fun in. Some mods that thing will be a blast. No way I’m paying dealer marks tho.
A replacement turbo in an Ecoboost engine costs about $300-$500, but fail as early as 100k miles. Labor is maybe 3-4 hours, depending on how much the shop wants to twist your arm.
Everyone makes that argument but the turbo on my MR2 is at 165k and has been happy pushing 18psi for half that many miles. The turbo on my V70R is just over 200k with 80k being at 22psi. Turbos are pretty reliable when you treat them well, use the right oil, warm up, cool down etc.
We can engineer for more heat and power, we could use grocery paper bags for head gaskets but we don’t. Nothing is overstressed if engineered correctly. V8’s have way more complexity than a 4 or 3 cylinder, by that measure more likely to fail.
Have a 2023 GR Corolla and a 2018 GT 500. Both are fun. The GRC is the daily and my preferred ride. Can’t beat the sound of the big old v8 though. The neighbors hate it.
The Tommy facepalm @5:55 😂😂 What're Dads for? 😂 Pretty sure you can get these Corollas at MSRP. According to the major car shopping apps at least. It's use case for me. If I need a daily driver, it's going to be the Corolla for me, as I live in MN. If I have excess money and want a fun summer car, it's the Mustang. Sorry Mazda, not a fan of that infotainment system. Styling could be kicked up a notch as well. Remember the Mazdaspeed 6 and 3?
I purchased my '24 GR Corolla Premium at MSRP of $41,304. For a rally dweeb like myself you can't beat the performance proposition offered. If I was a straight line tarmac guy, at $42k (after rebate/discounts) that Mustang would be just as appetizing. Great time to be an enthusiast.
Lol it is a terrible time to be a car enthusiast. Everything is way overpriced even before markups. insurance rates are sky high, interest rates are high, quality control is low. The average person can't even afford older sports cars anymore and GOOD LUCK if you are into 90s/early 2000s JDM. Nothing is obtainable for an average car guy or a young person wanting to get his first car. Even old 90s civics that are clean can cost you 10k+ unless you get an absolute junker.
The GR Corolla is the clear choice. A lot of these people aren’t real car guys. The TFL target audience is casual, low education, and fast food consumers . Of course they are going to think a crappy ford is better. The GR engine is an overbuild 1.6 l with 3 cylinders that puts out 300 hp. Ford could never engineer anything close to that.
12:48 I can tell you from experience after a 6 hour ride to the keys and back I'm no little tike but I was chillin in the backseat of a Mustang, wouldve preferred to be in the driver but I was comfortable in the backseat, fit all 4 of us, about to go on a 17 hour ride to Kentucky so I'll keep you posted
Tommy, you obviously don’t know much about the Mustang saying it wobbles at over a hundred miles an hour. That’s laughable. I have had my 2019 GT over 130 and still super stable. You should learn a little more about Mustangs before making comments like that.
@@dominicg2456 Toyota is all plastic, you hit water or snow that thing hits the curb in no time.. They forgot how to make sports cars in the 90's . Toyota cried for bmw help to assemble a new, fake slopra ... lmao....
Hey fellas!! Fun video!! The Mustang and the 10 speed,,, that’s a very quick car, especially for what you can get them for. I like the 2014 Mustang! Hate that colour, but that’s a taste thing. I like dark red (especially as well as Mazda does it, but Ford does it well also). I know that’s more a colour from the past, Cherry Red. I get a bit of flack for the colours of the cars, more so trucks, I own & have owned,,, haha. You fellas have to sacrifice some clutch on the launch. Dumping the clutch like all of you do, is killing the speed of all the manuals you drive. It’s not a Toyota thing, it’s just drag racing a manual seriously. Ride that clutch out further and let that motor sing!! You did great in the second race Tommy!! Very right, but doing that frequently is gonna get expensive over the long run. Haha. Well done Tommy! I don’t exactly think, Toyota or not, that the 3 cylinder will outlast the V8. Toyota has definitely built impressive motors and, like other builders, builds turbocharged engines as well,,, “turbocharged” engines, not simple ICE engines and adding a turbo. The 3 cylinder will last well, but if you use it,,, it’s gonna get used up much quicker. All of the 3 cylinders, especially the higher hp versions, are not going to last, that’s just physics.
Anyone who thinks that 3 cyl is outlasting a this v8 or just in general is beyond crazy. It's not just the 3 cyl but even compared to other v8 engines that Coyote is highly resistant to abuse.
@@leofhr2966 - Very true about the Coyote. You can get crazy hp out of it by boosting it and it just goes!! I have seen 5.0 Supercharged engines with over 150,000 miles, Supercharged on the day they were purchased!! Nothing breaking and with the 6 speed the transmission would last as well. The 10 speed is a bit of a crap shoot. Some last very well, others,,,, well. Haha.
I have a 2020 Jeep srt (that’s now procharged over 600 whp) and a 2021 Mazda 3 turbo and the Mazda was quickest to 100 before I procharged. Mazda can be modified by many companies - Toyota is known for reliability but really not in the same league as the Mazda or the v8 mustang imo.
LOL There is No replacement for displacement Tommy😀😀😛😛. Great Video Fellows. in couple of years Tommy and Roman will look like twins (well with Tommy as the more Athletic Twin brother😁😁)
Bro people in the chat be voting Mustang over GR Corolla or the Mazda. Like these two cars don't even belong to the same class as the mustang. These two have different class with different purpose and marketing
I think the Corolla will have a awesome aftermarket like the WRX and Evo! But I have had newer and older mustangs and they are fun to play in during the summer! While the AWD cars open up the winter fun!!!
@imdone1965 I mean I agree with the 60k mustang is high but you can at least justify it by power, sound, fun, looks... no way to justify a 60k Carolla lmao
When I saw this video it made me have a little anxiety. I come from a n/a v8 family and have found myself in the market for a new car. In contrary to the car culture I grew up in, I put a deposit down on a "spot" to get a gr corolla in the circuit edition. The dealership I went to DOES NOT do any type of market adjustments which is why I did not hesitate. Three weeks ago I got the call and Im very excited ($46800 out the door for those who like knowing numbers). The car will be coming in April. But.......there is a small part of me that thinks "man I love the sound of a v8" and how enjoyable the powerband is. To the others watching this, am I making a mistake getting the corolla? Thanks to anyone who reads this and provides feedback!
sheesh i was hunting for Gr corollas and if they gave me a price more than 44k i walked, finally found one in January 2024 and paid 39.6k out the door, for my Core with Performance pack, cold weather pack and tech pack. All your paying for is cosmetics with the higher trims levels, not worth it (to me), ill buy and install some nice lightweight comfy racing seats, purchase a circuit edition hood with vents and a circuit edition spoiler. And after all that Id still have spent less that a circuit edition. After 3 months with my GRC, I daily it everyday/ everywhere never skips a beat, hugs corners with no hesitation and gives positive feedback and confidence, rides is firm but comfortable. I can use all the the power safely. if you want a "FUN" daily this is it. If you wanna detour after work and do some donuts in an empty parking lot real quick go for it, i have done this and its very easy almost as if the car GRC knows you want to do some donuts. The driving experience is very dynamic and will give you what you want on your command, want to save gas and cruise it'll do it, I average 32mpg at 70-75mph, its not a prius and i didnt buy it for gas mileage but I was happy knowing I can get 30+mpg if i wanted to. In closing here I was looking at big V8's (challengers, camaros, mustangs, SCSB trucks) before I started looking at the GRC. I decided to look at a GRC and test drive one at a dealer and I knew instantly this is what I want to drive everyday, put a grin on my face everytime I drive my GRC, before work, after work, lunch break, on the way to funeral, back home from a funeral. I will be sad when I have to leave for california for a week for work. if you haven't already test driven a GR corolla. DO IT NOW call around and ask if you can test drive one. only then will you know if its right for you.
I would say the Toyota is cheap and not put together as well. I would certainly not pay as much for one either, especially with a turbo since they are known for catching on fire when a problem occurs with them.
I think even though we're car enthusiasts, we are all products of are environments. I can appreciate the power of a large displacement muscle car that is synonymous with Americans but as a guy born and raised in the Caribbean, I still prefer the JDM market. My dream car, even though I can no longer get one due to import restrictions as the years roll by, will always be an Evo 8. I was considering getting the GR Yaris 1.6 turbo but then Toyota brought the GR Corolla to the market. It's a 3 cyl but 100 hp per cyl is crazy. Stock it suffers from heat soak if ran too long and high rpms but that's an easy fix with some modifications. Totally amazing car.
I never thought I’d see the day either……until I drove one of those corollas. One of the most fun vehicles on sale today, and after driving one, you realize it’s just a Corolla in name….it’s legit a sports car.
I drive my 20 GT all year round here in NC and my wife and twin 2yr old boys love cruising in it. So it's a little more versatile than ppl give it credit.
Its so interesting to see which turbo cars lose power at elevation and which ones dont. Its all up to the tune the manufacturer put on the ecu. The 8Y RS3 doesnt seem to lose any power at elevation and same with the new Nissan Z you guys tested.
I think the Mazda proved to be the most practical all season fun car in this test. Sure if you could get a Toyota tomorrow at sticker maybe. The Mustang would still be my choice. Drop a 3.0L supercharger on that 5.0 for $12k or so and have a really fast car for the realistic price of the Corolla.
I cannot believe how overpriced and slow the new Corolla GR is ! And don't get me started on the ultra-cheap interior, weak clutch, and gearbox ($$$$$ to fix at owner's expense because it is usually blamed on "driver abuse").
The corolla lineup is pretty pathetic. They forgot how to make sports cars since the 90s in the name of fuel economy and reliability of 90 hp cars.. lmao...
Have a 2023 Mazda 3 Turbo PP hatch and its the perfect daily. Power there when you want to have fun and luxurious af when you're just cruising. My perfect 3. Practical, sexy AF and fast. I can only imagine w a few mods and a tune.
To be honest, value wise, that mustang but be the best value of performance per dollar. I don’t understand Tommy’s hate of the mustang Especially since be he is normally the 80year old. Also, the Mazda seems to be better than the Corolla. A little slower and a lot cheaper after markups. Sleeper
Its crazy to think I just bought a GR corolla for 39k out the door and these youtube idiots haven't a clue what current prices are nonetheless actually be able to drive a car instead of nearly stalling it...
@dmegahan - the GR Corolla was not built for drag racing. Put that Mazda on a road course with the GR Corolla and that Mazda will fall far behind quickly.
That Toyota's engine is much more engineered to life a boosted life. The ford's modular v8 will still have to overcome the shortcomings of being junk destined to eventually be swapped for an LS with a turbo.
@@redbreads Dude, do yourself a favor and think before you speak or at least know what you are talking about because people will rip you apart if you say dumb shit like this. That Ford v8 is a proven engine. One of the most advanced v8 to exist, it's very responsive to boost with it's high revs and performance response, yet it still remains reliable/durable because of how resistant it is to abuse. They literally overbuilt that engine to be modified as was always the intention of Mustangs.
I am pretty sure Roman didn’t say that because these are the kind of answers that can destroy an otherwise thriving channel and Roman is way smarter than that. On the other hand, this is what a 20 something employee would post on a Saturday morning when his boss is still sleeping at home oblivious to the damage his employee is causing.
the mazda sport mode shuts of OD so the gearing is 1:1 so after launch you're at a disadvantage whereas the manual toyota maintains his. They do offer manual in mazda but they said no awd turbo due to the lack of transfer case so FWD only. I currently have the 14 2.0 manual hatch and its still fun.
launching the GR Corolla with the stock pitch mount presents significant challenges. The factory mount is notorious for tearing at the front with relatively low mileage, observed in instances as early as 1000 miles. Such damage complicates gear shifting, rev-matching, and the launching process considerably.
Do some research, your utterly incorrect about the Mount tearing, its just a soft pitch mount from the factory, that "tearing" is by design and is called flashing material, it was never meant to be permanently bonded to the aluminum structure, it is blatantly obvious if you ever actually looked at one.
@rock40ps3 My pitch mount was removed and inspected at a dealership prior to posting my comment. It was noted that the front of the mount had separated. Causing the engine to shift more than it should. This results in a loss of deliverable torque during launch. Additionally, this affects the 0 to 60 time and makes shifting more difficult. Many GR Corolla owners have discussed the pitch mount. It is evident that you lack the first-hand experience to comment on the subject.
Hey guys absolutely loved the video it was a fun comparison. Corolla was expensive with the dealer markup I would still go for the Mustang you can't beat V8 sound and horsepower
Agreed with everything you said but Ford quality is down the toilet and the Toyota will get you back home and not be on the side of the road
@@aone7640 youre buying a sports car to have fun in it. Shit will break when you hammer it, so you might as well have 180 horsepower more fun for your money
@@aone7640 toyotas are not reliable. Maybe 30 years ago, but that turbocharger will explode at 28psi in less than 100k miles. The coyote will go 200k. Remember, sports cars are pushed to the limit.
People still buying 4 cylinder rice, why
About the dealer markup: I work at a Toyota dealership and I’ve seen if you’re committed enough, you can haggle the dealer to get it with a reduced/no mark up.
"You're 150 pounds heavier and so is the car"
I felt that🤣
Almost spilled my coffee 😂
Corolla will eat snow .. it's rally based
including the Mazda as an extra is a pleasant surprise!
“This is sushi vs a hamburger” - Jeremy Clarkson
No wonder Americans are so obese and have heart attack.
Cheap, all you can eat sushi though. I mean it's not even faster than a regular, non performance, non-"speed" Mazda...and it has a super low end interior...It's kind of embarrassing for that price.
@iSOBigD you can really tell who has driven the GRC and who hasn't, do you even have a drivers license 😅
Chicagoan here, the mustang is my year round car (slapping some winter tires on it, of course).
Same here, GO Pack GO
Too much work.
Swapping tires every year and storing and transporting them to get swapped
We had a Mustang G.T and it was great
That's just dumb. I have a truck and tow strap to pull you out when you get stuck!
Thanks for your support
I’ve never heard anyone mention a mustang being unstable above 100.. I often would hit 150 at the top of 4th gear 😂..comfortably
They don't realize the improvements that have been made over the years
i know right i hit 150 on 2016 and it not even close to any wobble.
It was old thinking and obsolete biases. THings you hear from the euro non car guys a lot@@Trek2539
My thoughts exactly
Agree, at least a 2011 GT is pretty stable all the way up to top speed, wouldn’t imagine they’ve made the cars worse since then
As a southerner, the mustang is an all year car.
You’re not wrong lol. I’ve driven Mustangs through many Chicago winters. Growing up my dad’s only car was always a Mustang GT and he never had any trouble driving the family around. My brother, my mom and I. Now I’m doing the same thing lol.
I drove my mustang gt performance pack 6 speed 50 miles across the Charlotte snow storm battling ice and snow to rescue stuck family member. Saw crashed cayman camaro and more. Snow/rain mode works on the mustang 👍🏾
🤣 I live north of 75% of Canada's population and drive a Mustang all year
A ton of mustangs are daily driven year round in the snowy areas of the country, really no differently than a cheap fwd car would be. It’s all about the driver.
@martinmarinelarena8508 absolutely.
Just seeing father and son having good clean fun is great! 👍🏼
My 24' GRC leaves Mustangs, Chargers, Challengers, and other American V8s behind in the mountain passes. The GR Corolla was made for circuits and hairpin roads, while Mustangs are built for drag racing and straight-line speed. It takes more skill to drive a GR Corolla with rev matching, weight displacement, hitting the correct race line apex, and controlling oversteer and understeer. I'll take a GRC over a Mustang any day.
I’ll take American v8 over jap scrap 3 banger
I love that you can film all of this with your dad , i can barely change a sparkplug with my dad before we start getting on eachother's nerves 🤣
The fact that you are racing a Mustang versus a Corolla, wow lol
The only thing that makes sense about it is they are both sports cars by definition and same price.
I know this video is for shits and giggles but I actually had a Mustang GT trying to race me in my GR Corolla. I still have the temp. plates and I’m driving it like a granny till I break it in so I’m not even trying to race anyone. His momma must be proud of him trying to race against a 3 cylinder,1.6L car with a Mustang GT.
The mustang is in a completely different league. The na v8 is worth every penny
Totally agreed
they never mention how much power a boosted 5.0 will make or the fact that it can handle 1000 hp on stock internals. comparing these two cars in the first place is the real joke 😂
ah, americans and their big ol' v8s. No hate dude but not everyone wants a big boat for a car@@Jmulvez
@@itsgojoverfr in what world does a comparison between a muscle car and a shitty corolla make sense to you? this video was two non-car guys trying to talk about cars. at least compare two cars that are made for performance
@@Jmulvez dude its funny how ignorant you are despite living in a first world country. Not everyone drives straight on highways, where i live smaller cars with good maneuverability are preferred and if you get performance as well then it's a great deal
Younger me would go for the GR. Older me is siding with Roman. There's just something about the sound of a V8
Younger me would go with the Mustang, and older me would still go with the Mustang.
Mustang all day, and I'm not even a Ford guy
@@radspencer3584 You were still smarter when younger
Geezer me (73) went with the GR. Stretch run.
Not a Ford fan, but I'd take a Stang over any rice burner any day!
That grin on the face of "Dad" in the Mustang was priceless. ....he sure enjoyed that.
more smiles per mile
Rightfully so too. Priceless!
Definitely have to enjoy V8 manuals while they’re still around. Happy the V8 Mustang is still here. The new S650 Mustang is so similar to the previous gen S550 Mustangs. It’s more like a facelift more than a new generation. I purchased a 2021 GT with 30k miles for $30 out the door 3 months ago. With only 2 performance mods (Headers and E85). I was just above 500 whp to the wheels. Tracked my Mustang twice so far and with Magnaride suspension from factory the car was a so good on race track. Takes turns really well and fast on the straightls. Not as engaging as my BRZ on track but pretty close considering how much bigger the Mustang is.
I love driving the BRZ way more nimble than my Mustang
@@deven3286 The BRZ is definitely a fun analog car. I like street driving with it because it's fun driving a slow car fast. Less chance of getting in trouble. The Mustang is also a fun car but spirited street driving can be scary at times because it's too easy to go fast.
Is quite the package for the money and you get a powerful naturally aspirated V8. Who doesn’t love that?!
About two years now since Toyota North America got the GR Corolla, and I've yet to see 1 on the road...ONE.
I've seen a couple or so. They're hard to distinguish from a normal Corolla. One young woman in a GR Corolla was stoked that I knew her car was special.
A coworker has one. I stop to admire it every time I see it.
Saw about three on the road today
Definitely a rare car fs. I have one n in my area i am the only one with the GRC. I love the car n wouldn’t get ride of it.
Ive seen 6 in Seattle. I own one, no one really notices it.
So awesome to see father and son together doing what they love
For the cost and Performance I would want the Mustang.
The smile and laughter from the old guy in the mustang tells it all. The young guy in the toy looked miserable 😂
I just love hearing Roman & Tommy throwing shade at each other's cars 😆
Mazda3 for a daily. It's the best balance of all things considered.
Nah, Mustang is even a better daily
@@BC08until you have to put gas in it every 280 miles
@@LANsolo12 You’re driving 280 miles daily?
mazda 3 turbo is awful on gas. like 20 mpg real world. I would rather just daily the GR. More performance, AWD, similar mpg.
@@BC08 I’m just saying for a daily driver that is way expensive considering how often you have to fill it up. It equates to $100s of dollars every month just to get to work and run errands. I would basically say that owning a mustang is like owning an expensive toy that bleeds your pockets dry if you’re using it to commute. But if you can afford that then more power to you. I’d personally rather save money and use it elsewhere and not be broke.
People in the market for a Mustang GT were not ever considering the other two cars. Still fun they included it.
I own a 2015 mustang and can agree the interiors are thrown together. My car is garaged all winter and low mileage yet all the chrome bits flaked off and look terrible. It’s sad cuz I take care of my mustang but between the terrible soft paint quality and cheap interior quality this car has a lot of things that bug me. Having said that the coyote is the saving grace and I’ll never sell her
Mustang wins in straight line performance and power. The GR wins in nimbleness and fun to drive. The Mazda3 wins in refinement and pleasantness.
Mazda does a great job
Spoken like someone who hasn’t driven an S550 on a track lol.
GR wins in time spent at the shop being repaired. Spend all day getting fixed gets driven for 20 minutes then back to the shop for more repairs. Jap scrap.
The 2015+ Mustangs handle really well actually with the IRS
Sounds like you’re making up stuff.
I’d definitely get the mustang. Turbo cars are fun and all until they encounter an AZ summer.
E85 and big intercooler. My 240sx ran at 180 degrees at 110 degree weather even when boosting 20-21 psi.
E85 is magic lol.
@@juanc5149 e85 isn’t available in my section of Az. Nearest station is 1.5 hours away. I have a bigger intercooler and a bigger radiator. But 110 was a nice day here last summer, we had 3 weeks strait of 120-130 degree days 😂.
@@lucian7182 There was only one day in 2023 where the weather was 120 in lake havasu city in 2023. 0 days in Yuma where the weather was 120 or above in 2023. Those are the only places where it’s marginally warmer than Phoenix.
I had great results in Phoenix with my setup, with realistic actual 110-118 weather. Water and water wetter. E85 is the shit.
@@juanc5149 bullhead city had a 120 degree day in July 2023. Although thermometers that actually sit in the sun all day regularly showed temps in the mid 120’s. But unfortunately out here in rural AZ they don’t do the ethanol, 4 out of 5 gas stations I called to ask didn’t even know what E85 was.
Turbo shitboxes will need a turbo in 8 years anyways. Ask me how i know. NA or supercharged is 10x better.
Hate to inform you Tommy, but here in SC that Mustang (like my 19) is a 4 season car. Could care less about hauling ANYONE else in my car cause it's just for me. LOL
Couldn't*
Exactly... room for me and that's enough.
@@nastang87xx whatever
@@nastang87xx Whatever!!
It's a 4 season car in Utah with winter snow tires. I commute in mine year round, with a soft top. home and work it's garaged so no problems. Also have 2 kids so no problems getting the family around.
Automatically thinking that someone is going to lose a race because they're in a manual is so wild.
With the way Tommy was shifting, Roman might’ve had a point lol
@@Rival1998 automatics aren't always a sure thing either though
Modern automatics are faster than manuals
He did.
@@garysarratt1 the first time. What happened the second
I was actually able to order my GRC from the dealership and only paid MSRP. I was able to fit a 55" TV in the back, and driving in the snow was not only a breeze but fun. Love my car.
Listen to ones self "only paid MSRP".... in a time where most dealers are absolutely STUCK with tons of cars they cant sell even at massive discounts. and your happy about paying full price.... its no wonder dealers take advantage. Voting with ones wallet speaks volumes to what value a item has.
@@ramair325where are you living where you’re finding all these cars for way under sticker price? Even if you’re not lying you should know that’s NOT the case everywhere at all.
The GR Corolla is in my top three achievable dream cars. It looks like fun, only thing I want more is an vw R34. That being said, the new Celica is going to be wiiiild!
@ramair325 even the dealerships are having a hard time getting them. They are having to buy them, then put them on the lots as "pre-owned."
Classsic action is faster than reaction. When Tommy was counting down the start he got a better start every time. Néed to have a third party help with the starts.
Corolla is not worth 50-60k for this
wait till you find out its not 50-60k. more like 40-44k out the door. In my personal experience i picked up a GR corolla for 39.6 Out the door. "the more you know"
@@rock40ps3 yeah the markups are gone, i paid 45k with tax/fees included for my GR premium in december in california.
@@rock40ps3
And you still got taken to the bank....lol
@@rock40ps3 Corolla worth $30,000 tops
@@lanemorrow7417and mustang is worth $30k tops as well
I’m a hot hatch guy. Mustang is clear winner. If you’re buying the Corolla you’re buying it to have fun in. Some mods that thing will be a blast. No way I’m paying dealer marks tho.
That mustang sounded glorious crossing the finish line.
Naturally aspirated V8. No one ever mentions how much it will cost to replace that turbo. Because it will fail.
A replacement turbo in an Ecoboost engine costs about $300-$500, but fail as early as 100k miles. Labor is maybe 3-4 hours, depending on how much the shop wants to twist your arm.
@@trevorbrown7224I have a 3.0 ecoboost new turbos are 2-3k labor to replace them is 10-12 hours.
Everyone makes that argument but the turbo on my MR2 is at 165k and has been happy pushing 18psi for half that many miles. The turbo on my V70R is just over 200k with 80k being at 22psi. Turbos are pretty reliable when you treat them well, use the right oil, warm up, cool down etc.
Don’t forget the failing head gasket. Not a fan of turbo engines, they’re always stressed. The NA V8 is always understressed.
We can engineer for more heat and power, we could use grocery paper bags for head gaskets but we don’t. Nothing is overstressed if engineered correctly.
V8’s have way more complexity than a 4 or 3 cylinder, by that measure more likely to fail.
Also I'm 40 now so I feel like I've been watching your this Channel for half your sons life lol Glad to see you still doing what you love.
Greatest comparison ❤
Love the GR and Mustang!
Glad you liked it!
A real men and car enthusiasts will really love this kind of videos.
I am car enthusiastic from the bottom of my heart😂❤ awesome job and video!
Mustang kicks ass. I love mine and you can’t beat V-8 power.
Have a 2023 GR Corolla and a 2018 GT 500. Both are fun. The GRC is the daily and my preferred ride. Can’t beat the sound of the big old v8 though. The neighbors hate it.
I it would a bit more fare if it was the 2.3 High Performance variant of the Mustang. But I definitely liked the video
Why? The "out the door" price of the Mustang is already less than the GR.
Mustang all day.
Every day! 😁
Mustang all day everyday.
The Tommy facepalm @5:55 😂😂
What're Dads for? 😂
Pretty sure you can get these Corollas at MSRP. According to the major car shopping apps at least.
It's use case for me. If I need a daily driver, it's going to be the Corolla for me, as I live in MN. If I have excess money and want a fun summer car, it's the Mustang. Sorry Mazda, not a fan of that infotainment system. Styling could be kicked up a notch as well. Remember the Mazdaspeed 6 and 3?
I purchased my '24 GR Corolla Premium at MSRP of $41,304. For a rally dweeb like myself you can't beat the performance proposition offered. If I was a straight line tarmac guy, at $42k (after rebate/discounts) that Mustang would be just as appetizing. Great time to be an enthusiast.
Not a rally car. Lmao.
What made the Yaris a homologation special is the body/aero. With Rally2 the engine is a 3 banger but that’s it.
41k for a slower car
@Ryukomytoy in a straight line sure. Not slower everywhere else.
Lol it is a terrible time to be a car enthusiast. Everything is way overpriced even before markups. insurance rates are sky high, interest rates are high, quality control is low. The average person can't even afford older sports cars anymore and GOOD LUCK if you are into 90s/early 2000s JDM. Nothing is obtainable for an average car guy or a young person wanting to get his first car. Even old 90s civics that are clean can cost you 10k+ unless you get an absolute junker.
The GR Corolla is the clear choice. A lot of these people aren’t real car guys. The TFL target audience is casual, low education, and fast food consumers . Of course they are going to think a crappy ford is better. The GR engine is an overbuild 1.6 l with 3 cylinders that puts out 300 hp. Ford could never engineer anything close to that.
Dad has a good attitude, nice disposition.
“Interior made by McDonald’s happymeal engineers” tommy bro😭😭💀💀 absolutely damn right. Love the video guys
Nearly as tacky as a Tesla !
The race we’ve all been waiting for I have a MZ3 and I love it
What is Tommy talking about? Mustangs don’t “ wiggle “ over 100 mph
Yeah not sure what that was about lol
Not even around 130 did I feel a wiggle in mine. Car was solid, I got scared. Lol
The GR is on blizzak winter tires (5:30).. maybe it's the corolla that is vibrating, not the mustang. lol
Even riding at 150+ they’re perfectly stable. I don’t know where he got that from.
(For legal reasons I went 150+ in a Mustang in Forza)
12:48 I can tell you from experience after a 6 hour ride to the keys and back I'm no little tike but I was chillin in the backseat of a Mustang, wouldve preferred to be in the driver but I was comfortable in the backseat, fit all 4 of us, about to go on a 17 hour ride to Kentucky so I'll keep you posted
Tommy, you obviously don’t know much about the Mustang saying it wobbles at over a hundred miles an hour. That’s laughable. I have had my 2019 GT over 130 and still super stable. You should learn a little more about Mustangs before making comments like that.
Exactly. Mustangs are MADE for high speeds.
The rear end is almost exclusively made of rubber bushings. It's stable when new-er but as it ages the rear end gets less and less stable.
Thats any vehicle, with age rubber bushings deteriorate and replacing them is regular maintenance @@dominicg2456
@@dominicg2456 Toyota is all plastic, you hit water or snow that thing hits the curb in no time.. They forgot how to make sports cars in the 90's . Toyota cried for bmw help to assemble a new, fake slopra ... lmao....
Really enjoyable video, heaps of fun 😊
The rev’s were done without Sport mode and Traction off 😢 didn’t give it justice, usually it’ll bounce off the limiter
Why did the guy who had to shift have to call out the start on the walkie? 😂
Hey fellas!! Fun video!! The Mustang and the 10 speed,,, that’s a very quick car, especially for what you can get them for. I like the 2014 Mustang! Hate that colour, but that’s a taste thing. I like dark red (especially as well as Mazda does it, but Ford does it well also). I know that’s more a colour from the past, Cherry Red. I get a bit of flack for the colours of the cars, more so trucks, I own & have owned,,, haha.
You fellas have to sacrifice some clutch on the launch. Dumping the clutch like all of you do, is killing the speed of all the manuals you drive. It’s not a Toyota thing, it’s just drag racing a manual seriously. Ride that clutch out further and let that motor sing!! You did great in the second race Tommy!! Very right, but doing that frequently is gonna get expensive over the long run. Haha. Well done Tommy!
I don’t exactly think, Toyota or not, that the 3 cylinder will outlast the V8. Toyota has definitely built impressive motors and, like other builders, builds turbocharged engines as well,,, “turbocharged” engines, not simple ICE engines and adding a turbo. The 3 cylinder will last well, but if you use it,,, it’s gonna get used up much quicker. All of the 3 cylinders, especially the higher hp versions, are not going to last, that’s just physics.
Anyone who thinks that 3 cyl is outlasting a this v8 or just in general is beyond crazy. It's not just the 3 cyl but even compared to other v8 engines that Coyote is highly resistant to abuse.
@@leofhr2966 - Very true about the Coyote. You can get crazy hp out of it by boosting it and it just goes!! I have seen 5.0 Supercharged engines with over 150,000 miles, Supercharged on the day they were purchased!! Nothing breaking and with the 6 speed the transmission would last as well. The 10 speed is a bit of a crap shoot. Some last very well, others,,,, well. Haha.
Mustang is a year round ride in the Midwest, and it fits a car seat just fine. At least the S197’s do
I was impressed that mazda was able to keep up 😳
high torque, awd, quick shifting automatic. its basically japans take on a compact muscle car, built for comfort and straight line speeds
I have a 2020 Jeep srt (that’s now procharged over 600 whp) and a 2021 Mazda 3 turbo and the Mazda was quickest to 100 before I procharged. Mazda can be modified by many companies - Toyota is known for reliability but really not in the same league as the Mazda or the v8 mustang imo.
@@jessizzle5575put a strut bar on it with a rear stabilizer bar and it doesn’t just come with straight line speed.
@ryanc2927 true mazdas handle pretty exceptionally for just "regular" cars, definitely underated
So, you can’t read or just ignorant?
Lmao 🤣
20 seconds into the video and you have me laughing
Liked & subscribed for that intro.
People really out here paying 50K for that 😂
Nice video. Love the father/son duo. I'm sure the GR would do better if on proper tires. Blizzak winter tires (5:30) not a good racing tire. :)
LOL There is No replacement for displacement Tommy😀😀😛😛. Great Video Fellows. in couple of years Tommy and Roman will look like twins (well with Tommy as the more Athletic Twin brother😁😁)
Bro people in the chat be voting Mustang over GR Corolla or the Mazda. Like these two cars don't even belong to the same class as the mustang. These two have different class with different purpose and marketing
Granny shifted, not double clutching like you should lol 😂
I think the Corolla will have a awesome aftermarket like the WRX and Evo! But I have had newer and older mustangs and they are fun to play in during the summer! While the AWD cars open up the winter fun!!!
Nothing says cool like 50k Carolla. 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Or a 60k Mustang...
That for a Ford?
😂
@imdone1965 I mean I agree with the 60k mustang is high but you can at least justify it by power, sound, fun, looks... no way to justify a 60k Carolla lmao
@kaighSea the Corolla can be had for 40k , that's ridiculous also. Cars today are seriously overpriced.
But a 50k civic? 50k golf? Woo!
When I saw this video it made me have a little anxiety. I come from a n/a v8 family and have found myself in the market for a new car. In contrary to the car culture I grew up in, I put a deposit down on a "spot" to get a gr corolla in the circuit edition. The dealership I went to DOES NOT do any type of market adjustments which is why I did not hesitate. Three weeks ago I got the call and Im very excited ($46800 out the door for those who like knowing numbers). The car will be coming in April. But.......there is a small part of me that thinks "man I love the sound of a v8" and how enjoyable the powerband is. To the others watching this, am I making a mistake getting the corolla? Thanks to anyone who reads this and provides feedback!
Also I had a 2012 5.0 premium and loved it but lost it due to ignorance and black ice.
sheesh i was hunting for Gr corollas and if they gave me a price more than 44k i walked, finally found one in January 2024 and paid 39.6k out the door, for my Core with Performance pack, cold weather pack and tech pack. All your paying for is cosmetics with the higher trims levels, not worth it (to me), ill buy and install some nice lightweight comfy racing seats, purchase a circuit edition hood with vents and a circuit edition spoiler. And after all that Id still have spent less that a circuit edition. After 3 months with my GRC, I daily it everyday/ everywhere never skips a beat, hugs corners with no hesitation and gives positive feedback and confidence, rides is firm but comfortable. I can use all the the power safely. if you want a "FUN" daily this is it. If you wanna detour after work and do some donuts in an empty parking lot real quick go for it, i have done this and its very easy almost as if the car GRC knows you want to do some donuts. The driving experience is very dynamic and will give you what you want on your command, want to save gas and cruise it'll do it, I average 32mpg at 70-75mph, its not a prius and i didnt buy it for gas mileage but I was happy knowing I can get 30+mpg if i wanted to. In closing here I was looking at big V8's (challengers, camaros, mustangs, SCSB trucks) before I started looking at the GRC. I decided to look at a GRC and test drive one at a dealer and I knew instantly this is what I want to drive everyday, put a grin on my face everytime I drive my GRC, before work, after work, lunch break, on the way to funeral, back home from a funeral. I will be sad when I have to leave for california for a week for work. if you haven't already test driven a GR corolla. DO IT NOW call around and ask if you can test drive one. only then will you know if its right for you.
thank you so much for the feedback I appreciate it a lot! Hope you continue to enjoy it!
@@rock40ps3
I would say the Toyota is cheap and not put together as well. I would certainly not pay as much for one either, especially with a turbo since they are known for catching on fire when a problem occurs with them.
Those Corollas are impressive for what they are but hell no compared to a GT.
no way really!?! its almost like they are 2 different category vehicles, who knows!
@@rock40ps3🤯🤯🤯
The race against the mustangs should have been the EcoBoost
3 cylinders for 50k is a complete joke
Imagine not taking a youtubers word for truth and finding out you can buy a new GR corolla for 39k, "the more you know"
@@rock40ps3 still a ripoff at 40k. I honestly wish I "knew less" about the car market these days lol so depressing
@GeronimoBiggles so 60k for a Mustang is ok ?😂
@@imdone1967 mustang GT is 40k
@@GeronimoBiggles in a world of pur imagination...
I think even though we're car enthusiasts, we are all products of are environments. I can appreciate the power of a large displacement muscle car that is synonymous with Americans but as a guy born and raised in the Caribbean, I still prefer the JDM market. My dream car, even though I can no longer get one due to import restrictions as the years roll by, will always be an Evo 8. I was considering getting the GR Yaris 1.6 turbo but then Toyota brought the GR Corolla to the market. It's a 3 cyl but 100 hp per cyl is crazy. Stock it suffers from heat soak if ran too long and high rpms but that's an easy fix with some modifications. Totally amazing car.
I had to check track times on the Mustang versus the Corolla - streets of willow extended the Mustang beats the Corolla by 4 seconds a lap.
Wow!!! The fact that it's even close between the Mazda and GR is unbelievable!!!
Far from it with a proper launch
@@Wind_slash0Yeah. The Mazda is not made for that. GR Corolla is a MUCH faster car on paper.
Hating on a mustang and picking a corolla over it is whats wrong with the world now days lol
I never thought I’d see the day either……until I drove one of those corollas. One of the most fun vehicles on sale today, and after driving one, you realize it’s just a Corolla in name….it’s legit a sports car.
The casual driver isn’t interested in power. Let em have their 4 bangers.
Well today’s youngsters are very girly! So I’m not surprised! 😆
@@Drako_93550todays youngsters cant even figure out their own gender
You’re what’s wrong with the world these days
The new Sonata N line looking very nice.
The mustang sounds nice. 👌
It does!
I drive my 20 GT all year round here in NC and my wife and twin 2yr old boys love cruising in it. So it's a little more versatile than ppl give it credit.
Tommy’s Macdonalds and kardashian comments are gold 😂! Love this MoFo
Everytime I watch your videos I like you guys more. I’m subbing
racing a manual car vs automatics is already a biased video. i prefer to only drive cars with 3 pedals
Until the manual American car loses a race, then all we hear is that the auto car was made by engineering gods
was just about to say. lame. 3 pedals is still more fun.
Its so interesting to see which turbo cars lose power at elevation and which ones dont. Its all up to the tune the manufacturer put on the ecu. The 8Y RS3 doesnt seem to lose any power at elevation and same with the new Nissan Z you guys tested.
The father know what he is talking about "depends on the girl I suppose"
I think the Mazda proved to be the most practical all season fun car in this test. Sure if you could get a Toyota tomorrow at sticker maybe. The Mustang would still be my choice. Drop a 3.0L supercharger on that 5.0 for $12k or so and have a really fast car for the realistic price of the Corolla.
GR Corolla is a special car. Mustangs are an NPC car.
Try that on a circuit race track Corolla vs mustang, is not always about straight line race
That kid has no clue about cars. I'm embarrassed for him
Would like to see the ecotec 4cylinder mustang as the comparison would be so much more relevant
Although the v8 is more fun
Boomer’s gonna boomer
Just my 2024 mustang gt premium today and it’s beautiful, already got the Toyota crown so I went for a little fun lol
I cannot believe how overpriced and slow the new Corolla GR is ! And don't get me started on the ultra-cheap interior, weak clutch, and gearbox ($$$$$ to fix at owner's expense because it is usually blamed on "driver abuse").
yeah its crazy to think I went to a dealer and bought a brand new one for less than 40k out the door. sooo expensive. poor people these days...
@@rock40ps3 scoffs at the 40k corolla, but the 60k ford?? Take my money!!
The corolla lineup is pretty pathetic. They forgot how to make sports cars since the 90s in the name of fuel economy and reliability of 90 hp cars.. lmao...
Have a 2023 Mazda 3 Turbo PP hatch and its the perfect daily. Power there when you want to have fun and luxurious af when you're just cruising. My perfect 3. Practical, sexy AF and fast. I can only imagine w a few mods and a tune.
To be honest, value wise, that mustang but be the best value of performance per dollar. I don’t understand Tommy’s hate of the mustang Especially since be he is normally the 80year old. Also, the Mazda seems to be better than the Corolla. A little slower and a lot cheaper after markups. Sleeper
agree. ive got a 2018 6 speed and its still a blast to drive and it was only 42k new.
Its crazy to think I just bought a GR corolla for 39k out the door and these youtube idiots haven't a clue what current prices are nonetheless actually be able to drive a car instead of nearly stalling it...
@dmegahan - the GR Corolla was not built for drag racing. Put that Mazda on a road course with the GR Corolla and that Mazda will fall far behind quickly.
This might be the most wholesome father son relationship of all time
That high stressed toyota motor won't last.
That Toyota's engine is much more engineered to life a boosted life. The ford's modular v8 will still have to overcome the shortcomings of being junk destined to eventually be swapped for an LS with a turbo.
@@redbreads in your dreams.
@@redbreads its not the modular motor do your homework.. coyote platform proven reliable.
@@redbreads Dude, do yourself a favor and think before you speak or at least know what you are talking about because people will rip you apart if you say dumb shit like this. That Ford v8 is a proven engine. One of the most advanced v8 to exist, it's very responsive to boost with it's high revs and performance response, yet it still remains reliable/durable because of how resistant it is to abuse. They literally overbuilt that engine to be modified as was always the intention of Mustangs.
@@redbreadsdo a bit of research before commenting. Your comment just exposed how little you know about cars.
This video did a great job of informing me that I dont need a Carolla GR and no longer want one.
These guys should stick to truck and off-roading reviews.
Funny that, Roman says that’s the same thing your mom told him last night🤔
@@TFLcarWow ,nice answer TFL . We have real professionals here. If the guy is a dick you had your lower to his level.
I am pretty sure Roman didn’t say that because these are the kind of answers that can destroy an otherwise thriving channel and Roman is way smarter than that. On the other hand, this is what a 20 something employee would post on a Saturday morning when his boss is still sleeping at home oblivious to the damage his employee is causing.
@TFLcar huh?
What??? Bro speak English please 😭
Granny shifting that Corolla on round 1, it should beat the Mazda easily!!!
Good episode guys!
Bought my GR 2/23, $40.5K. $1600 dealer add ons, a lot of dealer shopping.
the mazda sport mode shuts of OD so the gearing is 1:1 so after launch you're at a disadvantage whereas the manual toyota maintains his. They do offer manual in mazda but they said no awd turbo due to the lack of transfer case so FWD only. I currently have the 14 2.0 manual hatch and its still fun.
" speaking of hitting 100, I bet you won't"
Best line 😅
launching the GR Corolla with the stock pitch mount presents significant challenges. The factory mount is notorious for tearing at the front with relatively low mileage, observed in instances as early as 1000 miles. Such damage complicates gear shifting, rev-matching, and the launching process considerably.
Do some research, your utterly incorrect about the Mount tearing, its just a soft pitch mount from the factory, that "tearing" is by design and is called flashing material, it was never meant to be permanently bonded to the aluminum structure, it is blatantly obvious if you ever actually looked at one.
@rock40ps3 My pitch mount was removed and inspected at a dealership prior to posting my comment. It was noted that the front of the mount had separated. Causing the engine to shift more than it should. This results in a loss of deliverable torque during launch. Additionally, this affects the 0 to 60 time and makes shifting more difficult.
Many GR Corolla owners have discussed the pitch mount. It is evident that you lack the first-hand experience to comment on the subject.
No replacement for displacement 2:57
Really , is that why older Gen Toyota Supras can achieve 1000hp?