Nice one! Looking out through the air intake? It's an awkward seating position, but TECHNICALLY, it maintains truth in advertising: no russian lives in harm's way during combat. Technically.
Great video, but as a note, from what I know in aerospace, you do not inherently need an afterburner to be supersonic. It just generally helps as it vastly boosts thrust output, albeit at a significantly increased fuel use.
Grom appears to be an upgraded version of the Soviet Tu141 reconnaissance drone from 1970s. For reference, Tu141 is the drone which Ukraine (unsuccessfully) used in 2022 & 2023 to strike Moscow.
@@Aar1sW The strike that caused very minor damage to Kremlin's rooftop was caused by a very small drone with a limited range that was launched from somewhere inside Moscow. Nobody claimed responsibility for that, and many believe that it was a false flag operation since Russia has jammers around Kremlin & such basic drones will never get close to it, and even if so would never do any damage. On the other hand, the Tu 141 drone is very large & Ukrainian modifications allows it to carry very large payloads that can easily cause a massive damage to such building. All were taken out with air defenses, and their falling debris damaged some buildings nearby. To put matters into perspective, a single Tu141's falling debris did hundreds of times more damage than whatever tiny drone did on that questionable successful strike.
@@WhiteWolf65 To be honest it is pointless to talk about the name it'll adopt considering that Russians have great design bureaus but terrible outdated manufacturing capabilities that are 40+ years behind and cannot build items with good designs. As a result, Russians have 2 types of designs: (1) Designs that never leave the prototype phase because they simply cannot manufacture them in high numbers or for cheap. Some examples include the Su75 Checkmate, PAK DA, T14 Armata, Arena APS, Modular Infantry armor system & S70 Stealth drone. (2) Designs in which the designers have lowered their standards to match manufacturing capabilities which create feasible yet terrible products. Su57 is a fine example, which is a stealth jet with exposed rivets because Russian manufacturers cannot produce refined flush products (nowadays even some western civilian airliners are built with non exposed rivets). This product seems to be similar to Su57: Made for ease of manufacturing but it sucks. The designers know this. The production knows this. The army knows this. It won't reach mass production. The only place it will go would be a museum. Russian products that don't reach mass production either don't get Tu/Su designations (get a project number instead) or get a numerically high one (i.e. Mig 1.44)
Painting it invisible! 😂😂😂 Simon, you gotta pay whoever wrote that a nice little bonus. Every once in a while, your writers get an amazing one in there!
China is converting old jetfighters like the J-10 into drones, anything can be an unmanned aerial vehicle, anything with GPS. Well, passenger planes have an autopilot, you just enter the coordinates into the system and there you go... This Russian drone looks to me like a modified MIG-21 without a pilot with improved aerodynamics. Cheap and efficient.
@Statueshop297 If they are able to send their own and other satellites & people into space, there isn't anything complicated to make that dron for them... Not to mention that they are able to replenish their missile & drone stockpile as the most sanctioned country on the planet.
Controlled from the Su-57? With ONE pilot? And Russian tech (or lack of it) Pilot will be so distracted operating his bots, he'll get shot down! Count On It.
@@WhiteWolf65who told you, that the pilot has to operate them? The system is meant to be operating on its own, supporting the mothership. Read the details from the developer.
Yeah, but if it is "Awesome" that is still in Theory, because the Best they can Produce is a Dozen Prototypes they Pawn Off as Finished Products even though they have so many Issues and Bugs they are just Fancy Looking Prototypes, and than... They are Off to the Next Thing they Will Produce a Dozen Prototypes pretending they are Keeping Up with the US, but only a Fool would Fall for those Propaganda Campaigns at this Point....
Thought that was the Honda (50cc) Z-series "Monkey", "Gorilla" (larger fuel tank & luggage rack) and "Ape" (50&100cc) I found a link to their bigger cousin, the Honda "Grom" (125cc) - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Grom And recent models of the Monkey are a full 125cc, but based on the Grom. ( Ain't Wikipedia & Google wonderful?)
The Grom has been around since the Soviet Era, it was the first kamikaze drone designed in the world. Now it being retrofitted or updated to be both a kamikaze drones and a loitering one.
@BobSmith-rp2oz lol plenty a leaky stem patched up with blue tac. Then came the easy melt ice break bottles. These days I'm fancy glassware all the way
With Russia’s current selection of micro chips the small intake is for a modest amount of laundry to be placed in, coming out the exhaust dried and wrinkle free.
Honestly, I think it was wise for them to ditch stealth. It's frivolous for rrone wingmen and it's easier to make manufacturing easier, cheaper and treat them as though they are expendable
and reading comments from brainwashed idiots are the best 😂😂 I'll let you in that little delusional thinking of yours but the truth that your little brainwashed can't admit due to propaganda machines is that Russian tech is getting better and definitely ain't failing, heck they're winning in Ukraine but you do you I guess 😂😂💀
I literally chuckled when I heard the analogy of "using a sledgehammer to paint a wall any color other than invisible" to describe how stealth is not the best technology to accomplish every mission. Great video! But I also want to say that I liked the oldplay out music, better.
As a Canadian it’s entertaining to see the British hysteria over Russia. My friends there actually think Russia will attack it’s hilarious. The reality is though, nobody will ever defeat Russia so best get used to it. This is world view reality. Just give them the land and move on already.
This design for a supersonic drone is actually pretty smart. If this videos aren't meant to be used only as propaganda, the brit would notice it. Using a Stealth Su-57 combined with a non-stealth, unmanned wingman will give you the higher chance of survivability. The detection will always be on the drone first, so is the heat signature. For stealth operation Russia will use other drones like the S-70 or the.... So don't be afraid, they have several variants they will use.
When your navy can't move under it's own power developing unmanned drones is an interesting choice. Like painting the bathroom while the kitchen is on fire.
I mean funding priority is a Thing. Russia cannot compete outside of it's territorial waters. It's Navy is not a good investment. Notice it's Ice breaker fleet probably beats the rest of the world combined, and drones can be used for near shore sea control. Don't get me wrong I doubt this has 1/45th the promised capabilities. But you should not assume its other industries are as bad as it's surface naval fleet. They've historically had a terrible surface Navy but good designers who have to work within their limitations, and you can accomplish a lot woth one great software team and tech assistance from China with domestic basic air design competence.
@@doomedwit1010 I just think this is another example of them pointlessly competing with the west. They do much better when they focus on what they need and ignore what the US and NATO are doing. Russia pretty much created cryo-medicine as one example. Their performance in Ukraine has shown conclusively that their military is not up to a 21st century standard. Hence, they would be better served focusing on conventional military measures rather than high tech propaganda toys. Combining the missions of navy and coast guard would give them more bang for the buck than the steady parade of concept aircraft they lack the ability to actually field. Even before the Ukraine debacle Russia was barely in the top 5 nations in terms of force projection. Now they can barely be put in the top 10 only for their aging submarine fleet. India has an order of magnitude more capability, for example. It's time for Russia to give up the play acting and focus on building real defense capability.
I feel like this is something that has some extreme potential. And not just in the typical more bullets sense. And I feel it's severely underestimated even by those that see it's beneficial traits. Let's start with it not being stealth. A bunch of stuff all at once in an area will probably show up in one way or another on radar. Not having a stealth kit provides a few advantages in cost, and tactics. One escorting a stealth fighter will act as a decoy target allowing stealth assets to ambush those that try to meet it in the sky. Several of them especially with jamming tech and varied offensive systems creates a defensive bubble of 45 targets at maximum projections, with the main computer and pilot being stealth, 4 'captains' that jam, and the 40 'fighters' that actively engage. This creates a digital AND physical nightmare for any small outfit to deal with. Solo planes would have 0 chance. This exact setup actually would enable our 'bad for dog fighting' stealth jets to re enter that ring as well.... On the more bullets end. This is an INSANE weapons platform if you look at the unit and not the individual drone. 10 in bomber load config of some sort, 10 in pure offensive air to air configs, and 10 in a more balanced standard config, with the remainders serving in varied specializations (say maneuverability for a few, information tech for a few more ECT). This is basically an air force base worth of options under the control of one pilot, and that's before you look at nuclear and soft target options.... And all of this before you decide to do per mission configurations. Or think about 55 even small machine guns being focus targeted on one objective. How are people not taking this seriously?? I know every tech has drawbacks. But this concept is absolutely cracked, and fascinates the hell out of me.
People automatically dismiss what they don't understand or if they hear the word Russia or China. If this war continues a few more years. The amount of testing and data they'll achieve will greatly enhance whatever future UCAV or UAV platform they create next. A LOT of the weapon platforms we would use in a war over Taiwan are not going to be nearly as effective as we thought. The PLA has had years of watching these systems being used in Ukraine and is actively developing countermeasures to defeat them.
One could assume a large number of non-stealth drones would easily overwhelm any air defence emplacement. As long as the drone ist cheaper than say a Patriot missle, it wins on economics. Same thing happened with tanks in WW2. Mass wins over class in the long run.
Why don’t people take it seriously? One reason is Russia is constantly announcing super new weapons that never even reach the drawing board. Another is lots of nations are already developing these and are developing counters to it. Another reason is the cost to make a decent system. Russia isn’t exactly rolling in cash for the war it has and all the other projects that are running. Another reason is the ability to produce all the parts and technology in country. Before the war nearly all new Russian military projects were using a lot of technology from abroad. So if we see squadrons of these being made and suitable control aircraft to operate them then people will believe it. Until then it’s just another one of these many projects announced but not actually made.
@Statueshop297 Those are good points. I think we also forget that China is also helping Russia with filling in gaps in their supply chain. Even India is taking on huge amounts of Russian energy, then processing it and reselling it to eager buyers in Europe. When you look at the F-35 Lightnings. We have some issues we laugh at the Russians about. Nearly $2 trillion in R&D and production of this aircraft and close to half of them are down for software or mechanical issues. It's frustrating to see how even the US with an endless budget is still having issues like this. The US spends $800+ billion annually in peacetime on our military and look at the state of our readiness and the value of what this budget actually provides. All of NATO combined doesn't even amount to half of our budget. It makes you wonder perhaps we are spending money on fancy gold-plated weapon systems when in reality we should spend more like our European partners. They live next to Russia and clearly even they don't think it's a grave enough threat that they need to increase their military to protect against. Heck, the UK 🇬🇧 has actually shrunk the size of their military during this war and their defense budget hasn't increased above inflation, resulting in them spending less now than before the Russians invaded.
Right. So it really seems based on Russia’s lack of caring about stealth, they are preparing for near war conflicts where performance may have a slight advantage where countries are very close to them. Such as. I don’t know, Europe.
Go ahead guys. More drones. More cloud computing. More network centric warfare. More AI-based target acquisition and decision making. The big naked guy who showed up is just Skynet is just here to deliver a "Thank You" card from the future. 😎
There is another thing the Grom might be designed for: export. Perhaps it is not the kind of thing that could tip the scales in a war against a top tier adversary, or even against a second tier adversary with moderate sophistication (like Iran). But what if you were some country that has to fight a war against an adversary that really has no air or anti-air dimension at all? This version of the Grom is the kind of thing you can sell to countries like Sudan or Mali. They do not have a large cohort of trained pilots to do air strikes, not would they want to risk them getting shot down. But training guys to operate drones is much easier. With one of these things, you could provide air support strikes to your meager troops in the field, and not have to worry to much, since this thing is probably more than any insurgents can deal with, even if they have a MANPADS that could threaten an attack helicopter or a slow-moving (prop driver) fixed wing strike aircraft (whether manned or unmanned).
This loyal wingman concept might be the single worst idea any human has ever had. A few years ago I thought the singularity sounded like nonsense conspiracy talk. So here’s what we’re doing right now: building an airborne robot general covered in missiles, which could very easily be converted into a stealth general with somewhat fewer missiles, and teaching it how to command an army of mindless kamikaze robots. I can’t possibly see any way this could backfire
F-15 is capable of carrying the AIM-174 Air-Air Missile, which is Basicly a converted Ship-missile which have a longer range, than the F-15's radar.. so another plane like the F-35 would have to designate the target for the F-15 to fire at
I kind of like the new Grom design. It would look much more at home in formation with a similarly blue Su-35. Stealth is nice, but so is aesthetic cohesion.
@tibchy144 Are you suggested that America and China investing billions into better stealth technology is a mistake? What makes you even remotely qualify to make that claim?
To be fair stealth isnt dictionary stealth...though calling them sneaky fighters wouldnt fit as sure as hell any radar can see them, at a reduced range yes but vs a organized military force, they'd need to be in range of radar to strike...the elephant on the room though is the idea of, does a higher chance of first strike make up for paying out the unit cost in a year and a half on maintenance costs measure up
Considering that Russia is reliant on Western technology to build anything, I suspect that Grom is no further along from being on the Russian wishlist. Turning it into reality, however, is probably impossible under current circumstances.
Russia produces everything they need for military production, including chips. Yes they don't produce chips you need for IPhones, but thats not necessarily for the military. Hence why Ukraine will never win that conflict.
It will take a long time before dogfight capable drones appear. Technology is way more complicated than autonomus tank or torpedo boat. So, thisis just one in series of technological demonstrators.
I think the idea of unstealth is actually good for a drone, EWAR can do some of yhe job and if its basically a wild weasel it can launch its Anti-Radiation missiles on the teack activated by its presence. Plus its Russian so attrition is the norm.
4:14 Nah, I doubt that these crude ground-to-ground “Molniya” FPV drone planes that were designed basically by Russian frontline troops in 2023 and are literally assembled from sticks, styrofoam and tape have any relation to the “Molniya” air combat UCAVs that are supposed to be launched by Grom.
I would say it all depends on the operation scenario it is intended. Being non stealth drone makes sence if it's purpose is to triger air deffence to answer. This is certanly cheap thing to make and I don't see the reason why Russia couldn't build them in thousends. If it is done that way it could have effectivenes in SEAD missions.
ONE concept model has been displayed, Russia has not even selected the possible engine. Given current circumstances in Russia, it will likely take at least 75 years for the first flight test.
@jeepdude7359 Operation Aphrodite: WW II codename for an USAAF Operation to use worn out B-17 Flying Fortress bombers & Consolidated PB4Y Privateers 《cruciform B-24's》as radio controlled flying bombs against bunkers & other hardened or reinforced enemy facilities. Navy Lt. Joseph Kennedy Jr. was killed flying one such mission. 🌌🔭
@@jeepdude7359 I can't remember if it was the b-29 liberator bomber or a B-17 off of the top of my head that they used but they packed it full of bombs and remotely flew it into a Target they had in mind, not some practice Target in the field but an actual objective, but they did it remotely with primitive controls just like an RC plane and they had a Chase plane behind it with the person who was flying the drone. Can't remember how many more times they did that but I know they did it once for sure. I would literally have to look at all back up but I do remember the one mission. I think it may have been a B-17. I'm sure you could find the details of it if you want. Anyway thanks for the reply. Stay safe out there and have a good one
Russia’s concept of a new drone. We’ve heard it many times before: single model/mock up that never gets mass production or is simply not capable of what Russia says it is.
Nothing ever is, until it reaches Berlin, Right? I mean, the Western allies shat their pants whenever a Tiger Tank was present. While on the eastern front, they died in dozens.
@@Gunni1972 It is an expression, you Russian fool. The World has seen your ridiculously bad jokes that you claim are "high tech weapons". You can't sell the T-14 or the Su-57... no-one wants them! And you shot down your own S-70 Okhotnik when it tried to defect! Laughable!
With the current level of AI development, its going to be difficult to deploy any of these machines, let alone by Russia. It will only be possible for them if they make them remotely control
I developed super intelligent AI in 2010 and it was shut down in 2018. Repeatedly for years, my system warned drones are the greatest threat to human life and the greatest risk to our future,.
The fact that they had to back away from copycatting the American Valkyrie to essentially build a dated radio-controlled fighter lends some credibility to the possibility that it MIGHT exist. I say that because that seems to match their level of technological competence and comfort based on what they've managed to dribble out on the battlefield to-date. Right now, it simply shares the same imaginary space as the Checkmate.
Even if they decided they didn't need or couldn't build a stealthy drone, why would they design something from scratch to be so blatantly un-stealthy? They could easily make something more stealthy than a 1970s light attack/trainer aircraft at no additional cost.
Honestly if no pilots are at risk then why make it stealthy. Make its radar signature huge and swarm the skies thus masking or at least make it difficult to ascertain which are the actual manned stealth aircraft.Same concept as the MRV’s of ICBMs. Make it so costly and difficult to intercept that it’s practically impossible.
Consider, a large, unmanned non stealthy aircraft. Sounds to me like a new potential delivery system for tactical nuclear weapons. Russians have been a shouty about nukes of recent.
Maybe this is why they are training north korean pilots: they will stuff one into the GROM and praise how intelligent and “autonomous” is their technology!
PLOT TWIST: There's a NK soldier inside piloting it
Nice one! Looking out through the air intake? It's an awkward seating position, but TECHNICALLY, it maintains truth in advertising: no russian lives in harm's way during combat. Technically.
what is kamakasi in korean?
not trained pigeons and hydraulic guidance??
😂
Ohhhhh the cope and fantasies of the NAFO fanboys.... sooo hilarious...
Nah, when i hear Grom, I'll always think of the little Honda motorcycle. Lol
That and the Polish counter terrorism unit are the only Grom i know of😂
Not just me then 😂
When I hear the name Grom, I think of Conan and the riddle of steel.
@ That’s Crom …
When I hear Grom, I'm thinking of The Owl House 😂
I wonder how many washing machines it's made of
Hey! Theyre Building highly capable 28nm Chips you know? The Same Hightech future technology that tsmc Producer about quarter of a century ago 😂
You can call a transistor a chip i guess @floxyz8941
Lol how's those shells coming along..... Oh and those fancy shells that has a 6% hit rate ...
Only the ones with a brick taped to the drum.
Heroic Russian women do laundry in the bathtub, agitating with their feet. ... Until they find a husbamd ocerseas.
Great video, but as a note, from what I know in aerospace, you do not inherently need an afterburner to be supersonic. It just generally helps as it vastly boosts thrust output, albeit at a significantly increased fuel use.
Grom appears to be an upgraded version of the Soviet Tu141 reconnaissance drone from 1970s. For reference, Tu141 is the drone which Ukraine (unsuccessfully) used in 2022 & 2023 to strike Moscow.
What do you mean "unsuccessfully"? They hit Kremlin.
@@Aar1sWnot with this one
@@Aar1sW The strike that caused very minor damage to Kremlin's rooftop was caused by a very small drone with a limited range that was launched from somewhere inside Moscow. Nobody claimed responsibility for that, and many believe that it was a false flag operation since Russia has jammers around Kremlin & such basic drones will never get close to it, and even if so would never do any damage. On the other hand, the Tu 141 drone is very large & Ukrainian modifications allows it to carry very large payloads that can easily cause a massive damage to such building. All were taken out with air defenses, and their falling debris damaged some buildings nearby. To put matters into perspective, a single Tu141's falling debris did hundreds of times more damage than whatever tiny drone did on that questionable successful strike.
Exactly what I thought it looked like... same idea, but updated. They had a smaller Tu-143 Reys, so would this be Tu-145?
@@WhiteWolf65 To be honest it is pointless to talk about the name it'll adopt considering that Russians have great design bureaus but terrible outdated manufacturing capabilities that are 40+ years behind and cannot build items with good designs. As a result, Russians have 2 types of designs: (1) Designs that never leave the prototype phase because they simply cannot manufacture them in high numbers or for cheap. Some examples include the Su75 Checkmate, PAK DA, T14 Armata, Arena APS, Modular Infantry armor system & S70 Stealth drone. (2) Designs in which the designers have lowered their standards to match manufacturing capabilities which create feasible yet terrible products. Su57 is a fine example, which is a stealth jet with exposed rivets because Russian manufacturers cannot produce refined flush products (nowadays even some western civilian airliners are built with non exposed rivets). This product seems to be similar to Su57: Made for ease of manufacturing but it sucks. The designers know this. The production knows this. The army knows this. It won't reach mass production. The only place it will go would be a museum. Russian products that don't reach mass production either don't get Tu/Su designations (get a project number instead) or get a numerically high one (i.e. Mig 1.44)
Painting it invisible! 😂😂😂 Simon, you gotta pay whoever wrote that a nice little bonus. Every once in a while, your writers get an amazing one in there!
As a 40k enthusiast I hope it is painted purple as it is the sneakiest of colours
I think his script writers get a decent check of Tax payer money already.
It works
Stay mad lil bro😂
@@Gunni1972 taxpayer money? Were you dropped on your head as a kid?
I just love how technology has finally caught up to vertically scrolling shooters video games like 1942 and Raiden Jet.
Raiden got radial engine.
1:55 - Chapter 1 - What we known
6:15 - Chapter 2 - Specs, design & observations
11:50 - Chapter 3 - A role in warfare
China is converting old jetfighters like the J-10 into drones, anything can be an unmanned aerial vehicle, anything with GPS. Well, passenger planes have an autopilot, you just enter the coordinates into the system and there you go...
This Russian drone looks to me like a modified MIG-21 without a pilot with improved aerodynamics.
Cheap and efficient.
I will believe it when we see it in service. Until then it’s just another one of the many projects announced but not made
This drone does not have anything complicated to not be made.
@ how can it not have anything complicated? Computers, autonomous flying, sensors, secure datalinks etc etc
@Statueshop297 If they are able to send their own and other satellites & people into space, there isn't anything complicated to make that dron for them... Not to mention that they are able to replenish their missile & drone stockpile as the most sanctioned country on the planet.
@ I didn’t say a loyal wingman couldn’t be made. I was saying Russia has announced 100s projects with only a few actually going into production
@aleksandarzoric2452 and they need Khazakstan to do that, bahahahaha!
Should be entering service right after the T-14 Armata and their new aircraft carrier.
Controlled from the Su-57? With ONE pilot? And Russian tech (or lack of it)
Pilot will be so distracted operating his bots, he'll get shot down! Count On It.
@@WhiteWolf65who told you, that the pilot has to operate them?
The system is meant to be operating on its own, supporting the mothership. Read the details from the developer.
In Italy, Grom is an ice cream shop chain.
“Maybe it’s Awesome! Maybe it sucks..” Yeah that sums up Russian tech.
Yeah, but if it is "Awesome" that is still in Theory, because the Best they can Produce is a Dozen Prototypes they Pawn Off as Finished Products even though they have so many Issues and Bugs they are just Fancy Looking Prototypes, and than... They are Off to the Next Thing they Will Produce a Dozen Prototypes pretending they are Keeping Up with the US, but only a Fool would Fall for those Propaganda Campaigns at this Point....
Given the isolation, Russia is incredible. Proven right so far. Uràaaaaaaa
Good they named it after Honda's toy-sized motorcycle.
Bro Grom on all Slavic languages means Thunder. You know we don't use the language of Colonisers bcs we didnt have any. 😉
Thought that was the Honda (50cc) Z-series "Monkey", "Gorilla" (larger fuel tank & luggage rack) and "Ape" (50&100cc)
I found a link to their bigger cousin, the Honda "Grom" (125cc) - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Grom
And recent models of the Monkey are a full 125cc, but based on the Grom. ( Ain't Wikipedia & Google wonderful?)
@@Mac1Eleven😂😂😂😂😂 Maybe in your wet dreams
The Grom has been around since the Soviet Era, it was the first kamikaze drone designed in the world. Now it being retrofitted or updated to be both a kamikaze drones and a loitering one.
Looks just like the Soviet Tu-141 Strizh.
My first flashback was the V1 but yeah one can see a direct progress line from Strizh and Korshun drones. 😅
You’re telling me Russia has like 4 weapons systems called Grom?
Grom or grommet here i aus used to mean a junior skater/surfer who was yet to earn their stripes. Seems appropriate
And also a rubber ring u need for the downpipe in a Bong. And if you're an older surfer an Orchy bottle won't need one as it's made of plastic.
@BobSmith-rp2oz lol plenty a leaky stem patched up with blue tac. Then came the easy melt ice break bottles. These days I'm fancy glassware all the way
With Russia’s current selection of micro chips the small intake is for a modest amount of laundry to be placed in, coming out the exhaust dried and wrinkle free.
Honestly, I think it was wise for them to ditch stealth. It's frivolous for rrone wingmen and it's easier to make manufacturing easier, cheaper and treat them as though they are expendable
Favorite Megaproject videos, anything from Suadi Arabia and Russia! Failing liars are the best!!!
and reading comments from brainwashed idiots are the best 😂😂
I'll let you in that little delusional thinking of yours but the truth that your little brainwashed can't admit due to propaganda machines is that Russian tech is getting better and definitely ain't failing, heck they're winning in Ukraine but you do you I guess 😂😂💀
If Russia puts it into production you can be sure it will work. They build for performance, not for profits.
they build for corruption. Look at how well Ukraine war is going
This "thunder" is similar to the "strizh" unmanned aerial vehicle that is used for air defense training
I literally chuckled when I heard the analogy of "using a sledgehammer to paint a wall any color other than invisible" to describe how stealth is not the best technology to accomplish every mission. Great video! But I also want to say that I liked the oldplay out music, better.
I thought the Grom was an adorable little pit bike made by Honda. How dare they sully the name of such a user friendly and useful little bike!
As a Canadian it’s entertaining to see the British hysteria over Russia. My friends there actually think Russia will attack it’s hilarious. The reality is though, nobody will ever defeat Russia so best get used to it. This is world view reality. Just give them the land and move on already.
Ha ha ha...troll
This thing looks like it's designed to be a SAM, that is armed with multiple air-to-air missiles. So kinda like a multi-warhead SAM.😅
Missed a trick not calling the smaller drones "Grommets"
Russia adapted quite well
This design for a supersonic drone is actually pretty smart. If this videos aren't meant to be used only as propaganda, the brit would notice it.
Using a Stealth Su-57 combined with a non-stealth, unmanned wingman will give you the higher chance of survivability. The detection will always be on the drone first, so is the heat signature. For stealth operation Russia will use other drones like the S-70 or the.... So don't be afraid, they have several variants they will use.
There are many military developments that don't see the light of day US leading one lol
English por favor!
When your navy can't move under it's own power developing unmanned drones is an interesting choice. Like painting the bathroom while the kitchen is on fire.
I mean funding priority is a Thing. Russia cannot compete outside of it's territorial waters. It's Navy is not a good investment. Notice it's Ice breaker fleet probably beats the rest of the world combined, and drones can be used for near shore sea control.
Don't get me wrong I doubt this has 1/45th the promised capabilities. But you should not assume its other industries are as bad as it's surface naval fleet. They've historically had a terrible surface Navy but good designers who have to work within their limitations, and you can accomplish a lot woth one great software team and tech assistance from China with domestic basic air design competence.
@@doomedwit1010 I just think this is another example of them pointlessly competing with the west. They do much better when they focus on what they need and ignore what the US and NATO are doing. Russia pretty much created cryo-medicine as one example.
Their performance in Ukraine has shown conclusively that their military is not up to a 21st century standard. Hence, they would be better served focusing on conventional military measures rather than high tech propaganda toys. Combining the missions of navy and coast guard would give them more bang for the buck than the steady parade of concept aircraft they lack the ability to actually field.
Even before the Ukraine debacle Russia was barely in the top 5 nations in terms of force projection. Now they can barely be put in the top 10 only for their aging submarine fleet. India has an order of magnitude more capability, for example. It's time for Russia to give up the play acting and focus on building real defense capability.
For russia navy was always rudimentary thing. Unlike US , Russia is not surrounded by oceans
@@olegshtolc7245 It's more than half it's border.
Most Russian equipment beats an equivalent American version hands down. The Ukrainian battlefield has proven that.
What I take away from this video: Man, I want one of those shirts
I feel like this is something that has some extreme potential. And not just in the typical more bullets sense. And I feel it's severely underestimated even by those that see it's beneficial traits.
Let's start with it not being stealth.
A bunch of stuff all at once in an area will probably show up in one way or another on radar. Not having a stealth kit provides a few advantages in cost, and tactics.
One escorting a stealth fighter will act as a decoy target allowing stealth assets to ambush those that try to meet it in the sky.
Several of them especially with jamming tech and varied offensive systems creates a defensive bubble of 45 targets at maximum projections, with the main computer and pilot being stealth, 4 'captains' that jam, and the 40 'fighters' that actively engage. This creates a digital AND physical nightmare for any small outfit to deal with. Solo planes would have 0 chance.
This exact setup actually would enable our 'bad for dog fighting' stealth jets to re enter that ring as well....
On the more bullets end. This is an INSANE weapons platform if you look at the unit and not the individual drone. 10 in bomber load config of some sort, 10 in pure offensive air to air configs, and 10 in a more balanced standard config, with the remainders serving in varied specializations (say maneuverability for a few, information tech for a few more ECT). This is basically an air force base worth of options under the control of one pilot, and that's before you look at nuclear and soft target options....
And all of this before you decide to do per mission configurations. Or think about 55 even small machine guns being focus targeted on one objective.
How are people not taking this seriously?? I know every tech has drawbacks. But this concept is absolutely cracked, and fascinates the hell out of me.
People automatically dismiss what they don't understand or if they hear the word Russia or China.
If this war continues a few more years. The amount of testing and data they'll achieve will greatly enhance whatever future UCAV or UAV platform they create next.
A LOT of the weapon platforms we would use in a war over Taiwan are not going to be nearly as effective as we thought. The PLA has had years of watching these systems being used in Ukraine and is actively developing countermeasures to defeat them.
Because Ruzzia is a tech crapheap that cant seem to give 99% of their population flush toilets?
One could assume a large number of non-stealth drones would easily overwhelm any air defence emplacement. As long as the drone ist cheaper than say a Patriot missle, it wins on economics. Same thing happened with tanks in WW2. Mass wins over class in the long run.
Why don’t people take it seriously?
One reason is Russia is constantly announcing super new weapons that never even reach the drawing board.
Another is lots of nations are already developing these and are developing counters to it.
Another reason is the cost to make a decent system. Russia isn’t exactly rolling in cash for the war it has and all the other projects that are running.
Another reason is the ability to produce all the parts and technology in country. Before the war nearly all new Russian military projects were using a lot of technology from abroad.
So if we see squadrons of these being made and suitable control aircraft to operate them then people will believe it. Until then it’s just another one of these many projects announced but not actually made.
@Statueshop297 Those are good points. I think we also forget that China is also helping Russia with filling in gaps in their supply chain. Even India is taking on huge amounts of Russian energy, then processing it and reselling it to eager buyers in Europe.
When you look at the F-35 Lightnings. We have some issues we laugh at the Russians about. Nearly $2 trillion in R&D and production of this aircraft and close to half of them are down for software or mechanical issues. It's frustrating to see how even the US with an endless budget is still having issues like this.
The US spends $800+ billion annually in peacetime on our military and look at the state of our readiness and the value of what this budget actually provides.
All of NATO combined doesn't even amount to half of our budget. It makes you wonder perhaps we are spending money on fancy gold-plated weapon systems when in reality we should spend more like our European partners.
They live next to Russia and clearly even they don't think it's a grave enough threat that they need to increase their military to protect against. Heck, the UK 🇬🇧 has actually shrunk the size of their military during this war and their defense budget hasn't increased above inflation, resulting in them spending less now than before the Russians invaded.
am sure it will be as awesome as all other Russian wonder weapons...
Upon contract award, a TU-141 got Bondo and a paint job and a recently sold Lake Como mansion was upgraded with unopenable windows.
Right. So it really seems based on Russia’s lack of caring about stealth, they are preparing for near war conflicts where performance may have a slight advantage where countries are very close to them. Such as. I don’t know, Europe.
Sounds to me like Russia has accepted the existence of LIDAR.
(Laser/infra-red detection systems)
Go ahead guys. More drones. More cloud computing. More network centric warfare. More AI-based target acquisition and decision making.
The big naked guy who showed up is just Skynet is just here to deliver a "Thank You" card from the future. 😎
Why just the other day I saw flying right next to the Iranian stealth fighter 😳 . They were doing back flips.😅
I guess you and the "Built Fast" dude can work together to build a working/flight-cable model of this drone. It can be done, no?
I wonder when somebody will come up with the name "Gollum" for such craft?
The underlying principle of all Russian military technology seems to be 'Trust me bro..'
I have a feeling it might go down like an Aeroflot flight
There is another thing the Grom might be designed for: export. Perhaps it is not the kind of thing that could tip the scales in a war against a top tier adversary, or even against a second tier adversary with moderate sophistication (like Iran). But what if you were some country that has to fight a war against an adversary that really has no air or anti-air dimension at all? This version of the Grom is the kind of thing you can sell to countries like Sudan or Mali. They do not have a large cohort of trained pilots to do air strikes, not would they want to risk them getting shot down. But training guys to operate drones is much easier. With one of these things, you could provide air support strikes to your meager troops in the field, and not have to worry to much, since this thing is probably more than any insurgents can deal with, even if they have a MANPADS that could threaten an attack helicopter or a slow-moving (prop driver) fixed wing strike aircraft (whether manned or unmanned).
This loyal wingman concept might be the single worst idea any human has ever had. A few years ago I thought the singularity sounded like nonsense conspiracy talk. So here’s what we’re doing right now: building an airborne robot general covered in missiles, which could very easily be converted into a stealth general with somewhat fewer missiles, and teaching it how to command an army of mindless kamikaze robots. I can’t possibly see any way this could backfire
F-15 is capable of carrying the AIM-174 Air-Air Missile, which is Basicly a converted Ship-missile which have a longer range, than the F-15's radar.. so another plane like the F-35 would have to designate the target for the F-15 to fire at
I kind of like the new Grom design. It would look much more at home in formation with a similarly blue Su-35. Stealth is nice, but so is aesthetic cohesion.
As Simon alludes, giving up on stealth for this project looks like an indication that Russia has given up on directly engaging peer militaries.
No, it actually means that stealth is becoming increasingly less relevant.
@@tibchy144 No. It does not. It means that ruzzia lacks the ability to manufacture or even develop stealth assets.
Maybe they figured out how to un-stealth any metal plane?
@tibchy144 Are you suggested that America and China investing billions into better stealth technology is a mistake? What makes you even remotely qualify to make that claim?
To be fair stealth isnt dictionary stealth...though calling them sneaky fighters wouldnt fit as sure as hell any radar can see them, at a reduced range yes but vs a organized military force, they'd need to be in range of radar to strike...the elephant on the room though is the idea of, does a higher chance of first strike make up for paying out the unit cost in a year and a half on maintenance costs measure up
Considering that Russia is reliant on Western technology to build anything, I suspect that Grom is no further along from being on the Russian wishlist. Turning it into reality, however, is probably impossible under current circumstances.
Russia produces everything they need for military production, including chips. Yes they don't produce chips you need for IPhones, but thats not necessarily for the military. Hence why Ukraine will never win that conflict.
That drone is an external payload carrier for a regular fighter craft ... a bomb truck.
In short: no
In full: lol no
I wonder if they plan to launch it from their 'Aircraft Carrier'
Mebbe when they HAVE one... (or at least an operational one...)
Looks a hell lot like a successor to the Tu-141 Strizh …. but one slated to replace the Tu-141 Strizh back in the 80s 😂
How do you like our new spacecraft! Here is how you build it in Kerbal Space Program:
Comes down to economics and being ready. Cost of plane vs SAM
We've already captured one and it's on the way to the US for study.
It will take a long time before dogfight capable drones appear. Technology is way more complicated than autonomus tank or torpedo boat. So, thisis just one in series of technological demonstrators.
Why isn't this channel called "airplanes" I don't get it.
I think the idea of unstealth is actually good for a drone, EWAR can do some of yhe job and if its basically a wild weasel it can launch its Anti-Radiation missiles on the teack activated by its presence. Plus its Russian so attrition is the norm.
No. It doesn't really exist. Like the SU whatever or the T-14.
The ultimate in stealth! :DD
Pretty sure the Arrma Typhon BLX Grom goes faster then this.
4:14 Nah, I doubt that these crude ground-to-ground “Molniya” FPV drone planes that were designed basically by Russian frontline troops in 2023 and are literally assembled from sticks, styrofoam and tape have any relation to the “Molniya” air combat UCAVs that are supposed to be launched by Grom.
"Molniya" has emphasis on the o, and means lightning
They may leave it without stealth. The drones could be used to throw off radars and draw the fire instead of a manned fighter.
My first name was" GROM" ..when i rode honda fireblade 😅 it means thunder also in Slovenian ...dont mess with Russia ...ever !
Rule of thumb with Russian weapons; if you do not see them on camera, they are not real.
I would say it all depends on the operation scenario it is intended. Being non stealth drone makes sence if it's purpose is to triger air deffence to answer. This is certanly cheap thing to make and I don't see the reason why Russia couldn't build them in thousends. If it is done that way it could have effectivenes in SEAD missions.
I doubt Russia has the microchips available to build them by the thousands just to sacrifice some of them every mission.
ONE concept model has been displayed, Russia has not even selected the possible engine. Given current circumstances in Russia, it will likely take at least 75 years for the first flight test.
12:45 surely if the Stealth SU75 fighter plane is nowhere to be found then that means it’s **really** good?
The Su-75 is still in development, we might see its first flight by 2030.
Were people this obnoxious when the F-35 was still in development?
@JAnx01 Yes, arguably worse. People will still say that the F-35 was a failure.
It's so stealthy that it cannot be found 🤣
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@ there could be one flying over your house right now!
If only they still had the money to build more than a mockup
8:33 Is it a singular TV Guide or a weekly subscription?
10:30 Simon didn't play God of War PS4, confirmed.
supercapapable episode bro ;)
The US has been using armed drones for over three decades. There is really no replacement for experience.
Technically we've been using " drones " since world war II
@ I believe they were only used for moving target practice. I’m not aware of anything that was used in battle.
@jeepdude7359 Operation Aphrodite: WW II codename for an USAAF Operation to use worn out B-17 Flying Fortress bombers & Consolidated PB4Y Privateers 《cruciform B-24's》as radio controlled flying bombs against bunkers & other hardened or reinforced enemy facilities. Navy Lt. Joseph Kennedy Jr. was killed flying one such mission.
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@@jeepdude7359 I can't remember if it was the b-29 liberator bomber or a B-17 off of the top of my head that they used but they packed it full of bombs and remotely flew it into a Target they had in mind, not some practice Target in the field but an actual objective, but they did it remotely with primitive controls just like an RC plane and they had a Chase plane behind it with the person who was flying the drone. Can't remember how many more times they did that but I know they did it once for sure. I would literally have to look at all back up but I do remember the one mission. I think it may have been a B-17. I'm sure you could find the details of it if you want. Anyway thanks for the reply. Stay safe out there and have a good one
@ 👍 Thank you! That’s truly impressive for the technology available at the time. Hell, planes were only invented about 30 years prior.
Russia’s concept of a new drone. We’ve heard it many times before: single model/mock up that never gets mass production or is simply not capable of what Russia says it is.
Isn't that what we do in the US? Brooker is still not done
Muh US
Classic whataboutism from the kremlin
trollbots @@SU_Plata
They are concepts of a plan.
They have many successful models in mass production. You don't have the information.
@@Masataka7like which?
I too can claim anything
But i have a source
If you want to talk about the Russian Wunderwaffe, you'd better start a new fantasy channel.
Or just use ruzzian state tv. It's literally like the Third Reich before collapse.
A wonder weapon is a super project
It's safe to say that we can answer the question 'Is this piece of ruzzian military tech any good?' with a decisive: 'Of course not'.
Nothing ever is, until it reaches Berlin, Right? I mean, the Western allies shat their pants whenever a Tiger Tank was present. While on the eastern front, they died in dozens.
Dumbest
@@Gunni1972 Like their T-14 Armata super tank and Su-57 Felon thats Gen4 minus? Yea, quivering in our boots.
@@WhiteWolf65 Oh now you need friends already? "Our Boots"? Are you representing someone? Lockheed, Boeing or Northrop maybe?
@@Gunni1972 It is an expression, you Russian fool. The World has seen your ridiculously bad jokes that you claim are "high tech weapons". You can't sell the T-14 or the Su-57... no-one wants them! And you shot down your own S-70 Okhotnik when it tried to defect! Laughable!
The “Grom” name tells me that it probably needs to duck its head down to liftoff
With the current level of AI development, its going to be difficult to deploy any of these machines, let alone by Russia.
It will only be possible for them if they make them remotely control
I read it as "Groom" instead of "Grom" and because of that it reminded me of the "Ex-Wife" rocket from Iron Man 2
Sorry Simon, 5th gen fighter requires Super-Cruise - something neither RU nor CN has... 4.5 gen, OK.
I ain't scared. Tom cruise could kill it
I developed super intelligent AI in 2010 and it was shut down in 2018. Repeatedly for years, my system warned drones are the greatest threat to human life and the greatest risk to our future,.
This thing looks a lot like a target drone like the Ryan's. Maybe a repurposed old design.
The fact that they had to back away from copycatting the American Valkyrie to essentially build a dated radio-controlled fighter lends some credibility to the possibility that it MIGHT exist. I say that because that seems to match their level of technological competence and comfort based on what they've managed to dribble out on the battlefield to-date. Right now, it simply shares the same imaginary space as the Checkmate.
Even if they decided they didn't need or couldn't build a stealthy drone, why would they design something from scratch to be so blatantly un-stealthy? They could easily make something more stealthy than a 1970s light attack/trainer aircraft at no additional cost.
Honestly if no pilots are at risk then why make it stealthy. Make its radar signature huge and swarm the skies thus masking or at least make it difficult to ascertain which are the actual manned stealth aircraft.Same concept as the MRV’s of ICBMs. Make it so costly and difficult to intercept that it’s practically impossible.
Looks like a f-16
Which could be considered stealth if it shows up as a f-16 on radar
The 'new'/'revised' GROM seems more to be on the lines of USAF's Project VENOM than the CCA.............
Aww man. My Grom doesn't do any of that :( Honda owes me a refund.
They got their wingman didn’t they? The s70…
Actually this drone looks like the evolution of the soviet area tupolev tu 141
Consider, a large, unmanned non stealthy aircraft. Sounds to me like a new potential delivery system for tactical nuclear weapons. Russians have been a shouty about nukes of recent.
Ai: it's Xmas already¿
One thing I can say about the Russians, when they finalize their military project, they are always very well built!
Soviet things were well designed but usually poorly built. Generally, Russians built them and Ukrainians designed them.
I hear the Grom is the top fighter UAV in the world. Just like the T90M is the top MBT in the world.
yay! everyone and their grandma is building lethal UAVs. What could go wrong?
Maybe this is why they are training north korean pilots: they will stuff one into the GROM and praise how intelligent and “autonomous” is their technology!