I love that you talk about something, then check with Jared, and THEN start in on things. Deferring to experts in their field that you trust is a sign of being worth listening to.
My favorite thing to do to land a jab is a kind of feint my old coach taught me. You have to have been throwing jabs consistently for it to work, but essentially what you do is commit the footwork for a good jab but float a light jab that isn’t fully extended. It’s acting, so make it look like you tried to connect and usually the person steps back or slips and moves. If they counter you gotta build it up again, but most times they’ll move and try to step forward since they think you missed. All you gotta do from there is pop the jab as soon as they step, it’s a little more arm-y, but if you dig in it’s fine. It works more on counter punchers in my experience
That footwork is called tsugi-ashi in kendo. Bet it has name in fencing as well, or any other martial art where controlling the distance between pointy long things and soft tissue is important.
I'm not the biggest dude either and you videos have helped me a lot. One of my favorite videos is you with Ryan Hoover fighting in confined spaces, no one else does stuff like that, real stuff like that I feel like not many people think like you and I like "cool you know how to shrimp and hip escape and learned all these mount escapes but can you do it on a squishy couch while defending knife slashes?" Plus all the stuff in the hallways man no one is doing videos like that, I love that stuff.. Can you do another video like that soon please? Thanks for your time and for replying. much respect Havoc
This is learning at its finest... Experimenting with technique and seeking the constructive input of those specialized in their fields. Testing it out and exploring your craft... No ego, no pride, just joy and love for the sport which can also translate into self defense. Beautiful.
I'm a huge dude with long arms & torso, and short legs... so I've been doing the "dog-chain" forever, because I want my opponents to think they initially over-estimated my reach. It usually works pretty good with traditional style strikers from karate, TKD, boxing, Muay Thai, etc... Doesn't work with guys that started as grapplers, though. Even if we're just soaring with strikes, grapplers don't seem to judge range the same way.
@@3nertia My guess would be that grapplers judge range based on where your feet and legs are at more than strikers do since your legs have to be pretty close to your opponent to effectively take them down?
speaking from experience in TKD(blackbelt with 15 years experience)... in striking sports/fighting styles like TKD theres enough variety in ways you can effect where or what your opponent can/should focus on that you can get away with sneaky or clever ways to make them unaware of what youll hit them with next... in grappling it works differantly solely by the fact that it takes place in such an extremely short range, so you have to focus on details like your positioning and where your opponent is coming at you from to try and counter that... which doesnt exactly happen really in striking sports due to the focus of no clinching and keeping a certain range of distance away from your opponent at all times to allow for as many options for yourself...
Beautiful! Part of Jared’s technique is that as he’s doing the hand grinder and head movements, his body weight is more forward on the lead foot, (making it easier to slide his foot up) but also it’s cool because he’s in a position that’s already the “most aggressive” I.e. it doesn’t look like he’s moving forward and increasing pressure. “Yoooo! Where did you learn that jab set up?” “I got it from Jared” Lol
Love this. My boxing coach taught to step up / slide up with the back foot decades ago. It's pretty common to see in a certain era of boxers, but you don't see it a lot in MMA etc.
You both just gave me a new perspectives on the Karate footwork in Goju. I love seeing new concepts that may have got lost in translation or generations. thanks to you both.
Deception of movement will double your perception of speed. Your body is like a coil spring that expands and contracts in distance...side to side be the hinge. A door swings both ways off the same hinge..
It's interesting to see how the jab has been utilized historically. Jack Dempsey said in his book championship fighting, that those who consider the jab to be an exploratory move, to paint the target with points are poor punchers. This is why he differentiated his left jolt from the left jab. Great video as always IcyMike.
Huh, cool. Seems like if you incorporate his sneaky foot slide into your 'this is as far as I can punch' trick you could step into the punch and really pop them.
A tip if your in a open stance, it is harder to hit your jab because if is easier for your opponent to Perry, stepping inside will make your jab go down the centre line but it also is in the centre line for there cross. Usually your jab hits first but there cross is harder than your jab so try to pressure with a double jab to force them to step back to make your cross hit easier, or step in with your jab and cross step your rear leg behind your lead leg and pivot with your lead leg. Parnell Whittaker has used this. U can also step outside but if your shoulder is inside their lead foot, u can hit the jab and follow up.
I would love for someone to talk about how Ali would 'ride' someone's jab. You probably know about this but: basically he would bob and weave and cross up and circle just outside of range to bait them in then he would snap out those crazy fast long jabs from the hip to frustrate his opponent and draw their cross or their jab or a hook. Then when they fired he would seem to ' ride' their shot and counter through their punch! I have seen it dozens of times but he was so quick I can't figure out what he is even doing. Thanks. Great as always Mike!
Yooooooo wtf I was watching tons of videos on this channel just now and SURPRISE, it’s Jared Robinson! I grew up in the same hometown with him and was friends with his brother Jerome! If I’m not mistaken, my mom might have been Jared’s elementary school teacher! Props to hard2hurt and props to Jared too!
I saw this done in some other videos, but this guy does it better and is better and teaching it. I just tried it in a full-length mirror and at first, I unintentionally moved my head a little bit forward because every time I moved my back foot up close to my right foot, that made my head go forward, which would tip off my enemy that I am about to lunge at him. So, I tried first moving my head forward before moving my back foot up to my right foot and that didn't cause my head to unintentionally move forward before lunging with the jab. I only tried it once though. My attention span ran out. So I am not sure that it wasn't a fluke.
Honestly just found this channel and it's one of the first channels that your nit a know it all boxer your sharing your learning your process and thoughts it's refreshing and very inspiring keep it up I love this kind of approach to boxing instead of what kind of punch to throw like I like to throw right cross left upper hook pivot off and out and hit with jab on way out then trap there hands or post of them with the jab hand so they can't see the right coming or I move there gloves together to blind them well they are in gaurd
Now I'm thinking about how to apply this good stuff and the icymike patented lubed-up-vertical-jab together for extra sneakiness 🤔 Great video you two!
I was gonna comment that this would be great combined with the vertical jab! Tons of fronts with a normal oriented jab, then slide in with the vertical jab amplified with the extended reach. C-c-c-COMBO!😁
When I trained, we learned how to advance and trap the opponents foot under ours. Stand on them and they lose a second or two to escape and lower their guard. Respect.
@Ivan Jaros no difference between opponents, but people who don’t often fight southpaws have to adjust to the open stance. That does change things a bit, like the setups you can use to bait your partner to your power side. I think it’s probably worth a video
@Ivan Jaros i gotta disagree with you . From my expereince, certain combos that work for for orthodox, work differently for southpaws, due to the difference in distance , and the lead hands almost always touching each other. Mainly i was just curious to see if mr mike has anything insightful about it
That dog chain move is something I use as well! I'm about the same height as you, and once in a while I'll extend my shoulders more to get that shot in and it often gets him.
bas rutten talked about intentionally holding back a bit of his range when organizations would measure his reach, kinda similar idea of making them feel safe when they arent.
@@gunsknives I subscribed specifically for Mike's firearm/melee weapon content. Èpèe fencing would be boring but I'd absolutely watch Mike do some Armored combat league.
Ramsey Dewey has a move on his channel that's similar to this. He'll do a half step with his back foot to add reach to his straight right. It's equally deceptive, in that you wouldn't think a small step could add so much reach. Awesome techniques, for sure 👌💪🔥
I actually use that dog chain tactic all the time in spear fighting, but there it has a lot more to do with your hand position on the weapon. Never thought to try it empty hand but now I sure will.
Hey guys, quick question here. Thinking about joining a gym for self defense but don't know what to do. Heard you should go mma gym or go to must Thai and jiu jitsu gym. Any tips would be helpful
Grandpa said "Avoid stupid people, and stupid places, at stupid times." After that, Spatial awareness is #1. See them first, and You get time to assess/plan/escape. Fighting is the LAST RESORT. Flashlight is GREAT to carry as a bright ish light in the eyes is legal, and is a deterrent to People getting in Your bubble. Dirty boxing, and some wrestling/grappling with emphasis to stay upright has helped Me a few times. If I heeded Holy Ghost's warnings, I wouldn't have needed any of it! I think learning boxing was the most fun though so You may like that. Hope this finds You well Mr.Sword!
Hmm something they didn't really touch on that spoke to me was that in the ring you should have a reason for everything you do and not just do something because you're expected to do something
Judo guys love when you put your feet that close to each other as they know your balance is weak at that point so they will take you down when you try to step and punch.
In my experience, you dont even have to inch the back foot, just step with it once they are focused on the hands. Probably very dependent on your opponents skill level though.
Yeah I do this with a double jab, I put my hand in their face to distract from the fact that I'm sneaking up the rear foot. Also a can serve as a good platform for a level change and shot afterwards. Also this is really common in pointfighting as a way to set up a quick lunge. There's a suprising amount of crossover btw Karate and Boxing.
I'm sure someone has said this further down the comments but why not combine the two techniques? Not only would it extend your jab even further, it would put more power behind it. Just a thought.
Icy Mike's jab trick at the end. Stolen from Big George Forman. He always pawed with his jab at about 3/4 range, making opponents feel safe. Then the big right hand thunder
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Canelo and other boxers use front foot. Have you made a video on that?
Hard2hurt
I love that you talk about something, then check with Jared, and THEN start in on things. Deferring to experts in their field that you trust is a sign of being worth listening to.
I would be a fool not to lean on him. he is an amazing resource
Utilizing the jab in a variety of different ways is a vital component of my overall game; without it, I feel like I'm handicapped.
Same, its really good for distance management and combos
What game is that?
@@jameschristopher3405 sorry
Yea i like to throw my jab short alot then finally when they are decieved by the range ill send it all the way out
My favorite thing to do to land a jab is a kind of feint my old coach taught me. You have to have been throwing jabs consistently for it to work, but essentially what you do is commit the footwork for a good jab but float a light jab that isn’t fully extended. It’s acting, so make it look like you tried to connect and usually the person steps back or slips and moves. If they counter you gotta build it up again, but most times they’ll move and try to step forward since they think you missed. All you gotta do from there is pop the jab as soon as they step, it’s a little more arm-y, but if you dig in it’s fine. It works more on counter punchers in my experience
That footwork is called tsugi-ashi in kendo. Bet it has name in fencing as well, or any other martial art where controlling the distance between pointy long things and soft tissue is important.
Lots of good footwork to learn in those sports
The same footwork is used in Okinawan Karate Goju ryu and is named tsugi ashi combined with nijiri ashi
4:10 Icy Mike getting in his Omarion “Ice Box” bag lol
Icy Mike! I've been a fan for awhile and I've watched like every video you've put out. You are awesome keep it up, I really enjoy your content.
Thanks man
I'm not the biggest dude either and you videos have helped me a lot. One of my favorite videos is you with Ryan Hoover fighting in confined spaces, no one else does stuff like that, real stuff like that I feel like not many people think like you and I like "cool you know how to shrimp and hip escape and learned all these mount escapes but can you do it on a squishy couch while defending knife slashes?" Plus all the stuff in the hallways man no one is doing videos like that, I love that stuff.. Can you do another video like that soon please? Thanks for your time and for replying.
much respect
Havoc
This is learning at its finest... Experimenting with technique and seeking the constructive input of those specialized in their fields. Testing it out and exploring your craft... No ego, no pride, just joy and love for the sport which can also translate into self defense. Beautiful.
I'm a huge dude with long arms & torso, and short legs... so I've been doing the "dog-chain" forever, because I want my opponents to think they initially over-estimated my reach. It usually works pretty good with traditional style strikers from karate, TKD, boxing, Muay Thai, etc...
Doesn't work with guys that started as grapplers, though. Even if we're just soaring with strikes, grapplers don't seem to judge range the same way.
I wonder why grapplers don't judge range the same way and how the *do* judge range!
@@3nertia My guess would be that grapplers judge range based on where your feet and legs are at more than strikers do since your legs have to be pretty close to your opponent to effectively take them down?
@@jacobstewart2235 As good a guess as any!
speaking from experience in TKD(blackbelt with 15 years experience)... in striking sports/fighting styles like TKD theres enough variety in ways you can effect where or what your opponent can/should focus on that you can get away with sneaky or clever ways to make them unaware of what youll hit them with next... in grappling it works differantly solely by the fact that it takes place in such an extremely short range, so you have to focus on details like your positioning and where your opponent is coming at you from to try and counter that... which doesnt exactly happen really in striking sports due to the focus of no clinching and keeping a certain range of distance away from your opponent at all times to allow for as many options for yourself...
Beautiful! Part of Jared’s technique is that as he’s doing the hand grinder and head movements, his body weight is more forward on the lead foot, (making it easier to slide his foot up) but also it’s cool because he’s in a position that’s already the “most aggressive” I.e. it doesn’t look like he’s moving forward and increasing pressure.
“Yoooo! Where did you learn that jab set up?”
“I got it from Jared”
Lol
Wow! Jewelry store ad reference on a fighting technique video!😂
I really love the simplicity in the techniques you show! Nothing too fancy and easy to implement in your game!💪🏾
Jared is good people. I'd love to get to train with him more
You're on of my favorite functional martial artists Mike. Your channel and content has grown a ton over the years. Big up
Nice. "Good fighting is good fighting ,doesn't matter the style!" Eric Tollett. Good footwork
It's like a Jackie Chan punch...a jab with a twist.
2nd degree black belt here.
I'd argue that every shot you take that "fails to land" is just setup for one that does. Loving your content sir!
Love this. My boxing coach taught to step up / slide up with the back foot decades ago. It's pretty common to see in a certain era of boxers, but you don't see it a lot in MMA etc.
All the recent guests helping with learning new things has been great! Looking forward to more good info.
Prestidigitation! Deception is integral to the art of combat! Nice vid!
i love the fact u show so much love to others...u are a true martial artist and kind person
Fighting is setting expectations just to take them away. Respect, this is a great resource and takeaway from beginners and experts alike ❤️
You both just gave me a new perspectives on the Karate footwork in Goju. I love seeing new concepts that may have got lost in translation or generations. thanks to you both.
Deception of movement will double your perception of speed. Your body is like a coil spring that expands and contracts in distance...side to side be the hinge. A door swings both ways off the same hinge..
It's interesting to see how the jab has been utilized historically. Jack Dempsey said in his book championship fighting, that those who consider the jab to be an exploratory move, to paint the target with points are poor punchers. This is why he differentiated his left jolt from the left jab. Great video as always IcyMike.
Huh, cool. Seems like if you incorporate his sneaky foot slide into your 'this is as far as I can punch' trick you could step into the punch and really pop them.
The difference between a good fighter and a great fighter is a jab that never needs to land
A tip if your in a open stance, it is harder to hit your jab because if is easier for your opponent to Perry, stepping inside will make your jab go down the centre line but it also is in the centre line for there cross. Usually your jab hits first but there cross is harder than your jab so try to pressure with a double jab to force them to step back to make your cross hit easier, or step in with your jab and cross step your rear leg behind your lead leg and pivot with your lead leg. Parnell Whittaker has used this.
U can also step outside but if your shoulder is inside their lead foot, u can hit the jab and follow up.
I would love for someone to talk about how Ali would 'ride' someone's jab.
You probably know about this but: basically he would bob and weave and cross up and circle just outside of range to bait them in then he would snap out those crazy fast long jabs from the hip to frustrate his opponent and draw their cross or their jab or a hook. Then when they fired he would seem to ' ride' their shot and counter through their punch!
I have seen it dozens of times but he was so quick I can't figure out what he is even doing.
Thanks. Great as always Mike!
GREAT job again, guys. Really liked these tips.
Yooooooo wtf I was watching tons of videos on this channel just now and SURPRISE, it’s Jared Robinson! I grew up in the same hometown with him and was friends with his brother Jerome! If I’m not mistaken, my mom might have been Jared’s elementary school teacher!
Props to hard2hurt and props to Jared too!
I saw this done in some other videos, but this guy does it better and is better and teaching it. I just tried it in a full-length mirror and at first, I unintentionally moved my head a little bit forward because every time I moved my back foot up close to my right foot, that made my head go forward, which would tip off my enemy that I am about to lunge at him. So, I tried first moving my head forward before moving my back foot up to my right foot and that didn't cause my head to unintentionally move forward before lunging with the jab. I only tried it once though. My attention span ran out. So I am not sure that it wasn't a fluke.
Ayeee! I just recently figured out the stuff you were talking about Icy Mike! Cool to see I was on to something too
Very nice technique and good breakdown of the concept. That back foot slide is slick
I also like the “Icy Jab”👍🏼
Beautiful element of misdirection... thank you Mike ossss
Honestly just found this channel and it's one of the first channels that your nit a know it all boxer your sharing your learning your process and thoughts it's refreshing and very inspiring keep it up I love this kind of approach to boxing instead of what kind of punch to throw like I like to throw right cross left upper hook pivot off and out and hit with jab on way out then trap there hands or post of them with the jab hand so they can't see the right coming or I move there gloves together to blind them well they are in gaurd
The best puch in boxing is the one that lands
Now I'm thinking about how to apply this good stuff and the icymike patented lubed-up-vertical-jab together for extra sneakiness 🤔
Great video you two!
I was gonna comment that this would be great combined with the vertical jab! Tons of fronts with a normal oriented jab, then slide in with the vertical jab amplified with the extended reach. C-c-c-COMBO!😁
When I trained, we learned how to advance and trap the opponents foot under ours. Stand on them and they lose a second or two to escape and lower their guard. Respect.
Thats a good tactic to use on opponents thanks for the tip 👍
That's a really nice trick he unveiled. Thank you Jared!
Mike, would you make a video about some southpaw techniques? Or what you usually do when you spar against one
@Ivan Jaros no difference between opponents, but people who don’t often fight southpaws have to adjust to the open stance. That does change things a bit, like the setups you can use to bait your partner to your power side. I think it’s probably worth a video
@Ivan Jaros i gotta disagree with you . From my expereince, certain combos that work for for orthodox, work differently for southpaws, due to the difference in distance , and the lead hands almost always touching each other. Mainly i was just curious to see if mr mike has anything insightful about it
@@gunsknives thats what in asking, these different set ups, cause as a south paw im curious about it
@@HarryGreenMathematician said like someone who thinks the liver is the only reasonable target
I can't stop looking at your shoes... they look so cool
I read the title as “dirtiest sneakiest JOB setup”. Yeah, I did a double take lol.
Icy Mike was your Breakdance name, back in the day, yeah..? Haha
Love the "Dog Chain"
Thank you, these new boxing videos are the shit! More boxing!
As the Australian guy in the first jurassic park said, "clever girl." Nice trick Mike.
Me reading the title an hour before sparring
Go try it
@@hard2hurt that’s the plan. The setup also seems like a pretty good way to set up a gazelle hook so doubtless imma try that too.
I do the same thing when I go for a takedown; sneak the rear foot directly behind the front foot and cheat the distance
That dog chain move is something I use as well! I'm about the same height as you, and once in a while I'll extend my shoulders more to get that shot in and it often gets him.
honestly, i love them both! one cheats the distance with the legs, the other with the arms! Argh, that's so smart!!
bas rutten talked about intentionally holding back a bit of his range when organizations would measure his reach, kinda similar idea of making them feel safe when they arent.
Icey Mike hitting Omarion in the rain moves had me crying
Love seeing these tips and tricks.. keep it up
Conor used that sneaky foot method often. Izzy does it now.
Haven't watched the video yet but the thumbnail looks like very common footwork used in Historical Fencing.
Lol ok
Looking forward to Mike’s next video on the correct way to use the épée for self defense
@@hard2hurt Joachim Meyer in the 1500s called this a gathering step and used it for the exact same reasons. Love the video.
@@gunsknives I subscribed specifically for Mike's firearm/melee weapon content. Èpèe fencing would be boring but I'd absolutely watch Mike do some Armored combat league.
@@dmandy7968 100% agree with wanting to see Mike do some crazy HEMA stuff lmao. ACL is like armored MMA right?
dude i am currently injured and was thinking about point fighting techniques (sneaking up the back leg) and thought of exactly the same idea.
That moonwalking Jab is money
Nice trick!
Rocky Marciano used to use the same technique to cover more distance for his gazzale hook. Just letting you know. :)
Ramsey Dewey has a move on his channel that's similar to this. He'll do a half step with his back foot to add reach to his straight right. It's equally deceptive, in that you wouldn't think a small step could add so much reach. Awesome techniques, for sure 👌💪🔥
Sooo boxing is HUMAN POKER :P
BTW great video!! very cool. I've also subscribed to Jared, VERY cool stuff there!
Mike, your last move is what Teddy Atlas calls the Snake Charmer.
Izzy and gane love the back for drag with the rear kick faint to get extra distance on the jab
I actually use that dog chain tactic all the time in spear fighting, but there it has a lot more to do with your hand position on the weapon. Never thought to try it empty hand but now I sure will.
Really good stuff coach 🙏🏽
Hey guys, quick question here. Thinking about joining a gym for self defense but don't know what to do. Heard you should go mma gym or go to must Thai and jiu jitsu gym. Any tips would be helpful
Grandpa said "Avoid stupid people, and stupid places, at stupid times." After that, Spatial awareness is #1. See them first, and You get time to assess/plan/escape. Fighting is the LAST RESORT. Flashlight is GREAT to carry as a bright ish light in the eyes is legal, and is a deterrent to People getting in Your bubble. Dirty boxing, and some wrestling/grappling with emphasis to stay upright has helped Me a few times. If I heeded Holy Ghost's warnings, I wouldn't have needed any of it! I think learning boxing was the most fun though so You may like that. Hope this finds You well Mr.Sword!
Its very smart to throw your punches at 80% length extensively and surprise them with an extra 20% when they are stressed. Good tactic.
You can use that foot slide to set up the front kick too.
Combining the two methods will actually cover alot of distance out of nowhere.
Hmm something they didn't really touch on that spoke to me was that in the ring you should have a reason for everything you do and not just do something because you're expected to do something
Judo guys love when you put your feet that close to each other as they know your balance is weak at that point so they will take you down when you try to step and punch.
In my experience, you dont even have to inch the back foot, just step with it once they are focused on the hands. Probably very dependent on your opponents skill level though.
That's totally a fencing move, isn't it? Very cool
Awesome tips... and awesome robot!!!😁
"All warfare is based on deception."-Sun Tsu
JKD has a similar technique. Bruce Lee called it steal a step.
Setting up your "wall of range"
Yeah I do this with a double jab, I put my hand in their face to distract from the fact that I'm sneaking up the rear foot. Also a can serve as a good platform for a level change and shot afterwards.
Also this is really common in pointfighting as a way to set up a quick lunge. There's a suprising amount of crossover btw Karate and Boxing.
Untill 3 minutes into the video i didn't realise that was a mirror and thought it was someone else training
this technique, as i learned it, has two names. one is stealing step. two is shadow stepping.
Thanks Jared.
Snake style footwork, the Sneaky Slither.
HE HIT THE CRIP WALK 🤣🤣🤣
Really cool outfit, Mike
Mike had to do the Cody Garbrandt robot to him. Damn.
I'd like to see a video on getting in...and then out. I don't box but for the street it would help.
The move taught today is excellent!
very good tutorial
Finally a JAB video that has nothing to do with COVID 🤣🤣
Great work
Decive & Achive.
👊 😎
Backin th'days of Lyoto Machida he uses a deceitful stance.
Genius
I swear Rocky does this in the movies.
I'm sure someone has said this further down the comments but why not combine the two techniques? Not only would it extend your jab even further, it would put more power behind it. Just a thought.
once you learn the basics.. it is all about learning the sneaky tricks.
GSP does that!
Icy Mike's jab trick at the end. Stolen from Big George Forman. He always pawed with his jab at about 3/4 range, making opponents feel safe. Then the big right hand thunder
What brand of jacked it Jared wearing?
Conor Mcgregor uses your "dog chain" set up a LOT
The Icy Walk
“I’m very famous for saying that”
Dunno about jabs but my pet snake is certainly entertained!