Younger days, I’ve worked 12-15 hrs a day with no issues. So I felt. Barely Sleeping 5 hrs a night at most. But as I got older (42 now), I’ve held a pretty consistent sleep pattern for about the last 10 yrs. I lay in bed read something or watch some TV and around 8:30 fall asleep around 9ish and wakeup 4:00-4:30am. Everyday. Noticed a difference in my productivity. I think I wakeup early more for the reasoning of getting shit done😂 Not so much for rest. Just stuff around the house especially on my days off has been getting done more often than not. Especially with kids (13 & 10 yr olds). It also sets an example for them I believe. Just for them to see Dad keep busy doing ives them to do the same. I hope.🤦🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🥴
@@maguy8133 if you need explain something that ahould be by example, your kids aren’t paying attention. It shouldn’t be told but done because of good intentions. Teach em right. Lead by example. Got it?
Not sure how reliable this conclusion is, at least in the way it's presented. at 1:20, Walker claims that people who work shifts have a higher incidence of obesity/diabetes/stroke/depression/CVD. How do we know this is because their sleep schedules are shifted? It seems likely that night-shift workers have lower socioeconomic status, and are vulnerable to these diseases to begin with. Even if it wasn't the case, a lot of those diseases seem more diet related - are these studies correcting for caloric consumption (also the kind of calories consumed). You can just as easily state that working night shift --> depression --> eating more --> more disease. Just a thought.
My ex wife has a fucked up sleeping pattern. My daughter that lives with her, follows that pattern. If Lex thinks having kids will help him with having a strict time table, good luck.
My sleep pattern has been like this too for a few years now, I typically sleep 6-8 hours but the window shifts an hour or so later every couple of days. The number of hours has more impact on my mood than the window, but I do find I feel most clear minded when I wake up super early am eg 1-3am. I live with family so waking up to numerous hours of uninterrupted peace and quiet is golden. I feel worst when I wake up late morning to afternoon.
I'm an nurse in neurology and I hated how our professors and doctors never mentioned how detrimental shift work was over the years, I now only do them 5 times per year every 7 weeks
The medical profession prides itself on making decisions based on scientific evidence. Everything you do should be "evidence based." However medicine turns a blind eye when it comes to working hours. Nurses work long shifts day or night. Medical residents may go 24 or more hours treating patients without sleep during their training. It's absurd really.
I'm a fighter pilot, and that comes with long hours of incredibly hard mental and physical work every day. It also comes with wildly variable schedules that change from far left to far right with short notice. So one week it will be 8 am takeoffs, the next week it will be 1 pm takeoffs, then it can be 9pm takeoffs and you fly and debrief into the early hours of the morning. It is pretty much impossible to set a schedule, but you have to maintain high performance. It's a challenge for anyone but especially someone like me who needs a lot of sleep. I legitimately aim for at least 9 or 10hrs a night. Ideally. Not always achievable but, I try.
Myth:(imho) ..Children help with the optimal usage of time... I have not seen this yet, although I have only had them going on eleven years now... Can they help you learn new efficient ways to accomplish tasks? Yes. Can they help you appreciate the time you maybe used to waste before their arrival? Yes. There are MANY more interruptions to any task/flow than you may imagine. One thing I will say is that due to the sheer increase in the number of tasks to accomplish, the children do help force some adherence to a frenzied seemingly endless list of top priority deadlines. This is not a complaint, it builds character! Kids are priceless and worth every extra effort required. I recommend them. Also, they can help us raise our standards in some areas and lower them in others..
The past 3 nights I went to bed at 2am & woke up at 730-745am. Trying to build up a 1am to 8am routine, stick to that routine every day for weeks/months, & make it a habit. Currently I'm all over the place but Im working on building a habit. I want a consistent sleep routine.
Get dogs Lex, they thrive on routine, structure and direction. The responsibility helps you get your shit together. Also great for learning to manage expectations, setup situations for success and reflect when something doesn't go as planned. And lessen the alcohol because you'll have to get up in the morning to let your dog outside.
I’ve never been able to sleep the way you’re "supposed to" even though I tried all the things you’re supposed to do like meditation etc. I even went to doctors and took various sleep medications. A while back, I found out about polyphasic sleeping and I’ve been doing the Every Man 2 cycle with ease for 6 years now. I regularly give myself opportunities to sleep more "normally", like I never set an alarm but my body always opts for 4 1/2 hours of sleep and two 20 minute naps spaced through each 24 hour cycle.
I thought I was the only one who's sometimes all over the place running on 30 hours of no sleep and feeling okay about it for the most part. It's still a bad habit I need to kill asap.
I wake up with out an alarm every day. I just visualize what time I want to wake up and I wake at any time I wish. I took at year to train my mind but I eventually did it.
@@cubeincubes if leornado did or not is questionable but I think you smt mean like polyphasic sleep? CR7 does that apparently and well you see where he's at mentally and physically
@@JK-qy8le I tried to link the article but it got deleted. It’s called “Why did Leonardo Da Vinci only sleep for 2 hours a day?” Lemme know what you think 😁👍
@@cubeincubes yes I've read it in the past I just don't know whether the source is valid. That was my point hahah. Well as he said in the podcast REM phase is for creativity and other stuff so only getting that could be quite crazy. Even though you won't become a creative genuis like him it might increase your ability to interconnect different ideas/concepts. I personally have never tried polyphasic sleep as my schedule doesn't allow it but there's a whole community on the internet if you want to look it up.
Your testosterone level will drop when you have kids so that is something to consider as well. Also, I wanted to mention that I feel much better when I get up and go to sleep at roughly the same time every day. I wake up and my energy levels are good because my body knows it's time to go.
I’ve read this before but really hasn’t been true for me- two kids now, 39. Maybe if I measured it might be true, but really haven’t noticed it on basic testosterone metrics.
No it won't lmao. Your body has no idea whether you have kids or not, jerking off and having a kid is indistinguishable for the body. But with all the work that kids need, like stress, waking up in the middle of the night etc. + aging... Yes, that will affect your testosterone. But it's not the kids themselves lmao, it's the stress around them and aging.
I think comparing a man who usually stays awake to finish things while he is in a certain state of mind then gets as much sleep as his body wants, to others who are forced or forcing them selves to do these rotating shifts might not be accurate.
From what I have heard on this matter I think that if a person does this once in a while then it would not affect him, but if this prolonged awakeness is consistent then it will have an effect. Same for anything in life; if it's a habit then it will have an (good or bad) effect on you.
2-3days awake 2 days sleep. Been there. Can the regularity be set, I imagine it likes routine but is adaptable. That said I was midst of my learning and depression at an age close to lex's
It sounds like lex is listening to his body when he decides to sleep. Night workers have to force themselves to operate at certain ours. So there is not an exact contrast. Also how did our primal ancestors sleep? Some predators prefer dark hours. Dark hours come and they are about aren’t they? They don’t have specific sleep schedules? They respond to certain triggers like light intensity?( stimulating suprachiasmatic nuclei ) There fore to survive we have to adapt. We have to become more reclusive in darker hours. This reclusion is action that leads to sleep. The dark hours are not scheduled. I don’t understand how a healthy sleep schedule can emerge from a world with a changing schedule? Even if it’s healthier to have scheduled consistency. Maybe we need clock determined consistency because we are adapting to a new world in which we determine time with clocks. We used to determine time using many natural signals which me may have desensitised to by putting another step in the way. A clock. This creates our new indirect perception of time via clocks. And so NATURAL CONSISTENCY is not the same as SCHEDULED CONSISTENCY. I think it may be important to study and determine if and so; the differences between indirect and direct time keeping and the emergence of relevant consistencies and scheduling. To understand the physical and psychological effects of the two
The 2 worst pieces of advice of my lifetime are 1. Sleep is a waste of time. 2. Do what you love and you'll work a day in your life. Sleep is essential for overall mental and physical health therefore it's not a waste of time. And all though the optimal scenario would be to choose a career you love and it pays well, if I had to choose from one extreme or another I would undoubtedly choose a career that pays well but not enjoyable over one that doesn't pay well but is enjoyable. In a capitalist society, money opens doors for you that otherwise would never be open.
Agreed. "Do *something* you love", "don't do what you hate", and "don't (only) chase the rich man's gold" are a few more realistic versions I've heard. "Do what you love" is probably most applicable to entrepreneurship because it gives you a competitive advantage (you'll be the worst boss you've ever had).
I did exactly that at 20-30, lots of work etc., and I didn't know about the health of regularities like Matt talks about. Brain activity became slow at the end of the awake time, but I didn't notice any health issues, though. Doing the same now at 60 is rather difficult. The amount of sleep determines the abilities at day.
But people working shifts are not random sampled. There might be a lot of correlations of socioeconomic dependencies. E.g., maybe they are also more often eating less healthy or drinking alcohol or whatever. I don't think looking at how people that work in shifts are doing is not looking at the data in a sense of figuring out factual evidence.
Do people with rotating shifts have worse health because of the sleep aspect or because they're more likely to be fat and everything else is a downstream effect of that and a man like Lex that eats well and exercises might have no I'll health effects?
Can't take Walker serious - he talks about rotating shifts and specific health issues, but he should clearly point out that these are correlations, not causalities.
I've been accused of being like the father in The Accountant (the Ben Affleck movie). Spoilers: Affleck's character is autistic, with a younger brother who's neuro-typical. Their father (some kind of secret agent bad ass) raised them with what can only be considered as the toughest of tough love. I considered dropping my son off a few miles from home with a bottle of water and a hat and a compass. (His mom stopped me.)
The more you research the most you will realize that all you need to live a normal, organic human live y but naked in the middle of the forest eating plants. Not internet neither cell phones and awaking with the sunrise and going to sleep with the sunset. 🤯🤯🤪😵🤪🥴
Lex, your view of drinking is kinda disturbing. There is a remarkably accurate term in English - "get wasted". Imagine, you build a fragile "house of cards" with you wonderful intellect to reach your life goals (and some Humanity goals) and then, all of a sudden, you destroy it. For what? Or, imagine, you spend nights writing a beautiful poem for your love one, and ruin it by adding: "... you have legs like a Sasquatch..." Is this "drinking experience" worth it, worth this intellect waste?
got f-ed up by that "sleep is a waste of time" mentality for a long time
I just love the honesty of Lex. He promotes what you need to do but also says he's a human just like you and isn't perfect and act like he is.
Younger days, I’ve worked 12-15 hrs a day with no issues. So I felt. Barely Sleeping 5 hrs a night at most. But as I got older (42 now), I’ve held a pretty consistent sleep pattern for about the last 10 yrs. I lay in bed read something or watch some TV and around 8:30 fall asleep around 9ish and wakeup 4:00-4:30am. Everyday. Noticed a difference in my productivity. I think I wakeup early more for the reasoning of getting shit done😂 Not so much for rest. Just stuff around the house especially on my days off has been getting done more often than not. Especially with kids (13 & 10 yr olds). It also sets an example for them I believe. Just for them to see Dad keep busy doing ives them to do the same. I hope.🤦🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🥴
@@maguy8133 if you need explain something that ahould be by example, your kids aren’t paying attention. It shouldn’t be told but done because of good intentions. Teach em right. Lead by example. Got it?
You worked too much
Not sure how reliable this conclusion is, at least in the way it's presented. at 1:20, Walker claims that people who work shifts have a higher incidence of obesity/diabetes/stroke/depression/CVD. How do we know this is because their sleep schedules are shifted? It seems likely that night-shift workers have lower socioeconomic status, and are vulnerable to these diseases to begin with. Even if it wasn't the case, a lot of those diseases seem more diet related - are these studies correcting for caloric consumption (also the kind of calories consumed). You can just as easily state that working night shift --> depression --> eating more --> more disease. Just a thought.
doing this a few years ago has been one of the best moves ive ever made in my life.
Lex: I want to have kids to make my days more regular.
Newborn baby: Hold my beer
Hahahahaha i know right
Absolutely, this is so true. I'd like to see Lex's timetable when kids are around.
My ex wife has a fucked up sleeping pattern. My daughter that lives with her, follows that pattern. If Lex thinks having kids will help him with having a strict time table, good luck.
Having a steady sleep schedule and getting enough zzz's help me to stay Metal and strong. Count the goats and off you go. Great conversation Lex !
My sleep pattern has been like this too for a few years now, I typically sleep 6-8 hours but the window shifts an hour or so later every couple of days. The number of hours has more impact on my mood than the window, but I do find I feel most clear minded when I wake up super early am eg 1-3am. I live with family so waking up to numerous hours of uninterrupted peace and quiet is golden. I feel worst when I wake up late morning to afternoon.
That sleep as an investment was a game changer.
WHAT A RELIEF TO SEE PEOPLE WHO HAVE AN INTELLIGENCE THAT IS IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD AS YOURS.
I’ve worked rotating shifts the last 5 years and it definitely takes its toll on the mind and body
this is the video to watch at 3 am
I'm an nurse in neurology and I hated how our professors and doctors never mentioned how detrimental shift work was over the years, I now only do them 5 times per year every 7 weeks
The medical profession prides itself on making decisions based on scientific evidence. Everything you do should be "evidence based." However medicine turns a blind eye when it comes to working hours. Nurses work long shifts day or night. Medical residents may go 24 or more hours treating patients without sleep during their training. It's absurd really.
“I don’t know any CEO who would say I’ve got this great team, they’re drunk all the time.”
that’s Activision-Blizzard unfortunately
What’s working for blizzard and atvi like do they abuse their workers
anime industry be like XD
@@justins5756 Awful shit happens in their offices, look it up
I'm a fighter pilot, and that comes with long hours of incredibly hard mental and physical work every day. It also comes with wildly variable schedules that change from far left to far right with short notice. So one week it will be 8 am takeoffs, the next week it will be 1 pm takeoffs, then it can be 9pm takeoffs and you fly and debrief into the early hours of the morning. It is pretty much impossible to set a schedule, but you have to maintain high performance. It's a challenge for anyone but especially someone like me who needs a lot of sleep. I legitimately aim for at least 9 or 10hrs a night. Ideally. Not always achievable but, I try.
Myth:(imho) ..Children help with the optimal usage of time...
I have not seen this yet, although I have only had them going on eleven years now...
Can they help you learn new efficient ways to accomplish tasks? Yes. Can they help you appreciate the time you maybe used to waste before their arrival? Yes. There are MANY more interruptions to any task/flow than you may imagine.
One thing I will say is that due to the sheer increase in the number of tasks to accomplish, the children do help force some adherence to a frenzied seemingly endless list of top priority deadlines. This is not a complaint, it builds character! Kids are priceless and worth every extra effort required. I recommend them. Also, they can help us raise our standards in some areas and lower them in others..
The past 3 nights I went to bed at 2am & woke up at 730-745am. Trying to build up a 1am to 8am routine, stick to that routine every day for weeks/months, & make it a habit. Currently I'm all over the place but Im working on building a habit. I want a consistent sleep routine.
I fell asleep watching this. Powerful
Get dogs Lex, they thrive on routine, structure and direction. The responsibility helps you get your shit together. Also great for learning to manage expectations, setup situations for success and reflect when something doesn't go as planned. And lessen the alcohol because you'll have to get up in the morning to let your dog outside.
I’ve never been able to sleep the way you’re "supposed to" even though I tried all the things you’re supposed to do like meditation etc. I even went to doctors and took various sleep medications. A while back, I found out about polyphasic sleeping and I’ve been doing the Every Man 2 cycle with ease for 6 years now. I regularly give myself opportunities to sleep more "normally", like I never set an alarm but my body always opts for 4 1/2 hours of sleep and two 20 minute naps spaced through each 24 hour cycle.
They should outlaw rotating shifts
I always wake up around 6:30am without an alarm, haven't used one for over 10 years. Doesn't matter how late I went to sleep.
Never heard of someone wanting kids and expecting to get more sleep
Love sleep. Stable 4am ish to 10am ish a day.
Listening to these two immediately put me asleep.
I thought I was the only one who's sometimes all over the place running on 30 hours of no sleep and feeling okay about it for the most part. It's still a bad habit I need to kill asap.
Me, a UFC fan living in Europe 👁👄👁
I feel your pain 🙏
I wake up with out an alarm every day. I just visualize what time I want to wake up and I wake at any time I wish. I took at year to train my mind but I eventually did it.
"Kids enforce stricter schedules." Good one.
I’ve read Leonardo da Vinci slept 2 hours at a time. I’d be curious to know what effects that could have on the creative mind.
I’d take that with a grain of salt personally. Where did you read that?
@@cubeincubes if leornado did or not is questionable but I think you smt mean like polyphasic sleep? CR7 does that apparently and well you see where he's at mentally and physically
@@JK-qy8le I tried to link the article but it got deleted. It’s called “Why did Leonardo Da Vinci only sleep for 2 hours a day?” Lemme know what you think 😁👍
@@cubeincubes yes I've read it in the past I just don't know whether the source is valid. That was my point hahah. Well as he said in the podcast REM phase is for creativity and other stuff so only getting that could be quite crazy. Even though you won't become a creative genuis like him it might increase your ability to interconnect different ideas/concepts. I personally have never tried polyphasic sleep as my schedule doesn't allow it but there's a whole community on the internet if you want to look it up.
Your testosterone level will drop when you have kids so that is something to consider as well. Also, I wanted to mention that I feel much better when I get up and go to sleep at roughly the same time every day. I wake up and my energy levels are good because my body knows it's time to go.
I’ve read this before but really hasn’t been true for me- two kids now, 39. Maybe if I measured it might be true, but really haven’t noticed it on basic testosterone metrics.
@@haraldodunkirk1432 Same here, I still feel as energised as I did in my 20's. Maybe more so because I feel time running out!
@@HAZMOLZ time passes by so fast
No it won't lmao. Your body has no idea whether you have kids or not, jerking off and having a kid is indistinguishable for the body. But with all the work that kids need, like stress, waking up in the middle of the night etc. + aging... Yes, that will affect your testosterone. But it's not the kids themselves lmao, it's the stress around them and aging.
I think comparing a man who usually stays awake to finish things while he is in a certain state of mind then gets as much sleep as his body wants, to others who are forced or forcing them selves to do these rotating shifts might not be accurate.
From what I have heard on this matter I think that if a person does this once in a while then it would not affect him, but if this prolonged awakeness is consistent then it will have an effect.
Same for anything in life; if it's a habit then it will have an (good or bad) effect on you.
@@dntinpalevo I think you are right.
2-3days awake 2 days sleep. Been there.
Can the regularity be set, I imagine it likes routine but is adaptable.
That said I was midst of my learning and depression at an age close to lex's
I try and just sleep and wake up naturally without an alarm. Will probably have to stop this and use an alarm when I go back to school.
It sounds like lex is listening to his body when he decides to sleep. Night workers have to force themselves to operate at certain ours. So there is not an exact contrast.
Also how did our primal ancestors sleep? Some predators prefer dark hours. Dark hours come and they are about aren’t they? They don’t have specific sleep schedules? They respond to certain triggers like light intensity?( stimulating suprachiasmatic nuclei )
There fore to survive we have to adapt. We have to become more reclusive in darker hours. This reclusion is action that leads to sleep.
The dark hours are not scheduled.
I don’t understand how a healthy sleep schedule can emerge from a world with a changing schedule? Even if it’s healthier to have scheduled consistency.
Maybe we need clock determined consistency because we are adapting to a new world in which we determine time with clocks.
We used to determine time using many natural signals which me may have desensitised to by putting another step in the way. A clock.
This creates our new indirect perception of time via clocks.
And so NATURAL CONSISTENCY is not the same as SCHEDULED CONSISTENCY.
I think it may be important to study and determine if and so; the differences between indirect and direct time keeping and the emergence of relevant consistencies and scheduling. To understand the physical and psychological effects of the two
Trying to get off a 4 on 4 off 7 p- 7 a
Night shift which totally fucks you up.
The 2 worst pieces of advice of my lifetime are
1. Sleep is a waste of time.
2. Do what you love and you'll work a day in your life.
Sleep is essential for overall mental and physical health therefore it's not a waste of time. And all though the optimal scenario would be to choose a career you love and it pays well, if I had to choose from one extreme or another I would undoubtedly choose a career that pays well but not enjoyable over one that doesn't pay well but is enjoyable. In a capitalist society, money opens doors for you that otherwise would never be open.
Agreed. "Do *something* you love", "don't do what you hate", and "don't (only) chase the rich man's gold" are a few more realistic versions I've heard. "Do what you love" is probably most applicable to entrepreneurship because it gives you a competitive advantage (you'll be the worst boss you've ever had).
Impossible w my job :/
I don't have that luxury of a stable sleep schedule Lol
Me: I want a healthy sleep schedule
Also me… firefighter/paramedic 😅
I'm the same way. Usually I stay up for 30-40 hours days, been that way for yesrs6mýn
So, is 5am club healthy?
I like the vodka relation haha thanks lex
I did exactly that at 20-30, lots of work etc., and I didn't know about the health of regularities like Matt talks about. Brain activity became slow at the end of the awake time, but I didn't notice any health issues, though. Doing the same now at 60 is rather difficult. The amount of sleep determines the abilities at day.
But people working shifts are not random sampled. There might be a lot of correlations of socioeconomic dependencies. E.g., maybe they are also more often eating less healthy or drinking alcohol or whatever. I don't think looking at how people that work in shifts are doing is not looking at the data in a sense of figuring out factual evidence.
I haven't seen this guy in a while.
Do people with rotating shifts have worse health because of the sleep aspect or because they're more likely to be fat and everything else is a downstream effect of that and a man like Lex that eats well and exercises might have no I'll health effects?
You’re wrong I have kids and still sleep the same way as you 😂 productivity definitely increases but sleep doesn’t change kids keep you awake more
Some people have kids, and don’t change at all. 😂
Vodka is a hell of a juice supplement
Get a dog. Their natural regularity can rub off on you.
So all humans are wired the same when it comes to sleep wiring?
Can't take Walker serious - he talks about rotating shifts and specific health issues, but he should clearly point out that these are correlations, not causalities.
this guy doesn’t want to hear the truth- he’s younger now but his habits will catch up to him
I woulda been first here, but I was taking a nap...for the last time apparently lol
I've been accused of being like the father in The Accountant (the Ben Affleck movie).
Spoilers: Affleck's character is autistic, with a younger brother who's neuro-typical. Their father (some kind of secret agent bad ass) raised them with what can only be considered as the toughest of tough love.
I considered dropping my son off a few miles from home with a bottle of water and a hat and a compass. (His mom stopped me.)
Oh so I'm fucked then... Damn...
great
Poor Lex, this was not the answer he hoped for.
Vodka 🤍
The more you research the most you will realize that all you need to live a normal, organic human live y but naked in the middle of the forest eating plants. Not internet neither cell phones and awaking with the sunrise and going to sleep with the sunset. 🤯🤯🤪😵🤪🥴
Lol, has a choice in the matter...! Quaint.
Democratic process and natural choice substance answer
If I managed to get good sleep I would look ten years younger. High functioning minds I guess, can’t turn it off.
Why USA is now grow up spoild kid. Sleep is par of your life.
dude on left is nice, but seems and sound intoxicated to me
No
Lex, your view of drinking is kinda disturbing. There is a remarkably accurate term in English - "get wasted". Imagine, you build a fragile "house of cards" with you wonderful intellect to reach your life goals (and some Humanity goals) and then, all of a sudden, you destroy it. For what? Or, imagine, you spend nights writing a beautiful poem for your love one, and ruin it by adding: "... you have legs like a Sasquatch..." Is this "drinking experience" worth it, worth this intellect waste?
Ahhhh lol he wants to have kids so that he can have regular sleep schedule
get david benatar to convince you not to have kids
Pretty sure lex is hypo manic
thug in a suit
Lex's sleep pattern is voluntary, a
Rotating shift worker's is not.
They are not equivalent.
Honestly ... kind of cute. But, not that interesting ... 😏
Like #666
Lex, you are damaging yourself.
Sleep deprived doctors!
We must have a scarcity of doctors to maintain the "prestige."
(Foucault frowns.)
Lex is drunk all the time.
Lex = cringe
why was lex so defensive on this ….. maybe this is why he remains close frinds with joe rogan …hes just as soft as he is 😂