A George Lucas Bad Story Idea, John Carter, and Yesterday - Ep. 67 of Intentionally Blank
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
- Brandon Sanderson and Dan Wells talk a bad story idea surrounding George Lucas in a different universe, Why John Carter (2012) was a travesty, a full breakdown of Yesterday (2019), La La Land spoilers (2016) and Dan Wells Interest in The Wonder Years (1988-1993).
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Produced by Adam Horne
Sound engineering and editing by Daniel Thompson
what dan calls the John Carter effect is just when you tell a joke, and only one person hears it and then they repeat it louder and everyone laughs at your joke
Imagine Luke Gorgeous as a Pinky and the Brain style series.
-What are we going to do today?
-The same thing we do every day. Try to ruin art.
Yes please someone write a bunch of shorts based on this!
It's nice to know that if I ever wake up in a universe where Brandon Sanderson is an accountant, I have his permission to rewrite Mistborn.
I actually experienced the Yesterday effect in real life. When I was much younger, and Quantum Leap was still airing, there is an episode where Sam goes back in time and ends up with his family, and in trying to keep his brother from going to Vietnam, and keep his sister from ending up with an abusive husband, tries to prove to his sister that he's from the future.
So in order to do so, he ends up talking a little about the Beatles, but can't bring himself to tell his sister that John dies, and instead says "John goes on to make my favorite song." And he begins to play Imagine.
At first his sister is transfixed and amused and smiling. But as the song goes on, the camera just stays on her (and brilliant acting from a 10? year old actress) and as it goes on she starts to realize the song is too good, too polished and practiced, that it IS a John Lennon song she's never heard. That it IS a song from the future. And she starts shaking as the song goes on, and then breaks down crying because she realizes all the bad things Sam has been warning her about are true.
And even 32 years later, Scott Bakula performing the song is forever be ingrained to me as the first version of the song I ever heard, just like his sister. Even though the song was 20 years old even then, I was young enough that I just had not heard it before, and I got the exact same experience as the character in the show, and that's maybe why the memory has stuck so strongly with me. The Beatle song you've never heard before.
Dear Random Person on the Internet, I never watched Quantum Leap and just now went to watch the scene you described and it IS an incredible scene. Both actor gave a great solid performance.
@@MasterJack2 Oh wow, glad I could share it with someone! I remember episodes and premises from the show, but I haven't watched it in decades... but that one single scene I remember super clearly.
Thanks for posting this!
I enjoyed the movie John Carter(never read the books). I think the scene where he is fighting the other tribe of Tharks and is reliving the death of his family is one the best done scenes from any movie. That scene alone I think makes the movie for me.
What if a lot of todays movie flops are actually the result of such a time traveler? What if 2002's "Pinocchio" was so heart renderingly perfect that Luke Gorgeous had to hamstring it to save Star Wars Episode II?
I thought the "John Carter Effect" was to have a movie bomb due to incredibly terrible marketing.
First off, calling Uwe Boll's movies "mediocre" would be a VAST improvement.
Second off, I had the "John Carter Effect" happen when I watched "Casablanca". I remember thinking it was cliché, but it actually created most of the tropes that are now common.
Third off...Winnie from "The Wonder Years"! A first crush for many young men who grew up in the 80's, including myself. Danica McKellar still does Hallmark movies, but she's still Winnie to me!
The countdown to LaLa Land spoilers was so fast that I almost ran off the road trying to pause the video 🤣 then like 5 minutes later I forgot why I had paused, and unpaused the video, hearing the spoiler about the ending 🤣 whoops
I think the original version of the Yesterday script could have worked far better if it focused on that original problem of the guy knowing objectively he has gold and trying to succeed with it to the detriment of those around him. Listening to this I imagined a scene where he's basically at the end of his rope trying to break in with the Beatles's music and has a love interest basically asking him if it's not enough that she and their friends and family all enjoy the music before he finally "comes to his senses" so to speak and decides to just give it up. Maybe the story could end on a somewhat happy note where one of the 4 other people who remember the Beatles is a music studio executive who doesn't have the talent to recreate the music. The executive knows the music won't take off like it did before but maybe just gives the guy a chance to record albums of it anyway so the music has the opportunity to exist in the world again. The story could end on a bit of an unhappy but hopeful note where the protagonist doesn't get the success he wanted but his friends and family all love the music anyway and it gets to exist in the world again, if not at the same level of popularity as it did before.
Lmao I love that Adam placed the channel logo of Brandon’s face right on top of Brandon’s actual face at the end 😂😂
I had to look up Jake Shimabukuro to see what Brandon was talking about, and now I know Dan is wrong in two ways:
1) It was that good
2) George Harrison loved the uke. He would buy them in batches to give away. He would break them out at parties. He left them at other people's houses because, " you never knew when you would need one." So he would definitely approve.
This is amazing too: ua-cam.com/video/PB3RbO7updc/v-deo.html
One of my favorite moments: When Brandon can't for the life of him remember the title of We are Never (Ever) Getting Back Together. In honor of their tangents to tangents I paused this several times to do things like watch the Ukulele Weeps and the Pop-Korn mashup. They are amazing! I don't know if the Ukulele Weeps is 'better' than the original, but it certainly joins the pantheon of great covers. (I also love the Kubo sitar version)
The new melody for Coming Undone with the Never (Ever) riff is brilliant.
John Carter needs to be revisited as a franchise. The 2012 movie's underrated.
Also have either of you watched The Chosen and would you consider discussing it? The biggest draw to me, aside from the faith element, is the excellent character work and relationships.
That would be cool. I really like how they portrayed the people. Maybe it isn't completely accurate, but it still was awesome.
The Chosen is one of the better depictions of Biblical history in my opinion. I can appreciate that the show creators expanded on the characters and show the humanity of these people. Whenever I read the Bible, a lot of the time it reads as a history book, which to be fair that's how it was written. After watching The Chosen, I can appreciate these stories and characters a lot more.
Its also an interesting study because it’s funded by fans. And with Brandon’s crazy Kickstarter, and The Chosen’s success, then might we see even more great works produced by fans, and how does that affect the creative industry?
I've seen half of season one, and I'm very impressed. It is a good suggestion.
@@BrandSanderson Happy to see you in the comments. I only discovered your work during the big kickstarter earlier this year. I'm halfway through Well of Ascension and hoping to get caught up on Cosmere books before Stormlight 5 releases. Keep up the good work.
The fact that Dan uses Pride and Prejudice as his touchstone in a conversation about romantic comedy just cracks me up so much. 😂 Like yes, technically? But comparing all of romantic comedy to a regency romance is a crazy high bar.
what a funny clapback haha "You're statistically improbable!"
I posted a couple months back about my gf leaving and ending up homeless. Just to update those of you who left kind words, things are much better now! Thanks for the words of encouragement!
Citizen's Guard: keep at it making those improvements, never give up on yourself and what is possible :)
The sad, but more realistic romantic movie ending is why I love “Spanglish”!
And, OF COURSE, BRANDON LIKES “The 2 Good People Don’t Always Make a Good Couple” story line! Hello Shallan & Kaladin and Waxillium & Marasi!
...I'm a Steris fan through and through
Adolin is amazing.
She got insanely likeable in book 3 tho. I like her so much now. I do want Kaladin & Shallan but Adolin is SUCH a great freaking guy.
@@MasterJack2 I actually have loved how Steris/Wax grew together. I'll admit, I didn't like her in the first book and was confused why Marsai wasn't the choice. . . but goodness has Steris grown on me so much, I love her.
We all know that Shallan and Kaladin were a better couple, they had so much chemistry in words of radiance, while Adolin-Shallan seems forced
The song Brandon was thinking about is "We Are Coming Undone," and it's a mashup of Taylor Swift "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" and Korn "Coming Undone."
And yes, it is REALLY good. It's one of my favourite mashups, too xD
Jake Shimabukuro is amazing. I remember listening to him play live and the amp was awful that they gave him, but his talent STILL blew me away.
YO this feels absolutely surreal, listening to you guys talking about mashups. It's funny because that's something I've been idly making on the side myself. Granted mine are just weird, esoteric nonsense because of this balance of "doing the funny" and "actually legitimate grooves" that I try to cultivate with it.
Things that would make 2022 an even more incredible year for me than it already is: getting two awesome, established authors to listen to meme humor.
We live in a society.
The idea for a Trance Hawaiian genre sounds exactly like something I could put together, if I weren't trying to use all my spare time to better myself as a writer, finish my first book ever, and hopefully become a published author in the near-ish future so I can have 'being creative' as a full-time job. It genuinely sucks not having enough hours in the week to accomplish all of my goals while also allowing myself a healthy work-life balance. But I feel that creative fire in me and I genuinely hope I'm on the best path possible.
Brandon, you're seriously helping cultivate GOOD writing with this channel. I could never thank you enough!
His name is Jake Shimabukuro, for those who were wondering. He does some fun stuff on a ukulele
Jake's ukulele version of my guitar gently weeps is spectacular, I still go back to listen periodically. I also really enjoy 21 pilots behind the scenes version of I can't help falling in love with you. Though that is definitely his amazing vocals paired with the ukulele. I enjoyed John Carter but that was coming into it with no knowledge of the books or advertising (I had no idea it was out till we hit the theatre and watched it on a whim). It definitly was not mind blowing but it was fun and that can be enough!
Bad story idea made me think about "Be Kind, Rewind" (which I really like). No time travel or nefarious motives but centres on making low budget versions of classic movies.
The biggest example I've seen of the John Carter effect is the Valerian movie
It also happened to Dune with the 84 movie, but that was kind of undone by Dannis Villeneuve to a certain extent
I'm going to need some mash-up playlists from Brandon and Dan.
The attitude Dan cops about the ukulele is hilarious.
There’s no doubt in my mind if I woke up in a world missing Brandon Sanderson. I don’t think I could replicate the works of his Cosemere projects and others lol
I would just have to carry the thematic values of Mistborn and the like with me haha
Was thinking the same thing... and even if I were to somehow pull off what the guy did in Yesterday, people would be like, "AND THEN WHAT??" and I would have no idea where to go from there... inevitably becoming the greatest suck-fairy of all time.
@@austinkeller I know 😂 like I would have no idea what to tell people in the Sanderson ‘Yesterday’ World, when they start asking for Stormlight 5
The idea of the original work being disliked for being "derivative" of later works I believe is called "Seinfeld is Unfunny" on TVTropes
That trope doesn't work for me.
By the end of Seinfeld, I realized that the whole series had been an exercise in watching for jerks be jerks to each other and everyone else around them, and the harm they did along the way.
Thus, Seinfeld ISN'T funny, so it can't be unfunny.
The hatred for The Big Bang theory and other similar sitcoms is similar in other people. They're seeing the holes in the "Haha laugh at the losers!" shows, but don't always realize it applies to Seinfeld too.
@@hariman7727 I disagree. I think the appeal in Seinfeld isn't laugh at the jerks, it's laugh with the jerks. This doesn't resonate with people who have never understood jerk tendencies, which most people in NYC have lived with their whole lives. Those people who have some understanding of the NYC jerk tendencies also see that it can be fun to immerse yourself in it, especially if there is no guilt since you are just a spectator.
@@PeteQuad ... that's awful.
@@hariman7727 hence why you don't like Seinfeld
Hahaha! That's hilariously fun! I'm that 1% Our mothers were best friends in high school and so we knew each other our whole lives. We had crushes on one another for so long, but our mothers were so against us getting together. We both went off to have our own lives and then came back together in our thirties and married.
That's adorable!
@@robbybevard8034 thanks!
24:00 money doesn't buy happiness but it sure allows you to remove all the things in your life that could prevent happiness.
Yep. It's a lot harder to be happy when you're wondering if you and your family can eat, and don't have a safe place to live.
i would love to see you two discuss more Richard Curtis films especially his movement through all his styles over time
The southern gentleman accent made me think of Doc Holiday from Tombstone, who was absolutely amazing. It's a shame they didn't go in that direction.
Hah, I also shut off La La Land at the opening scene going "I can't do this - it's nonsense" - and then I later watched it and loved it - had they cut out the completely pointless dancing scenes (not singing) that didn't do anything for the movie but pad the runtime I would probably consider it a masterpiece.
Jake Shimabukuro! His ukulele skills are truly out of this world.
Ahhhhh my favorite podcast returns!!!!
Re: Hawaiian Lounge beats. I'm sorry to say that its super rare and hard to find but theres a brilliant album released around 2000 called "Frozen Hawaii" which seems to be a remix album by a Japanese sound engineer who goes by "Pardon Kimura" If you can track this down, its pretty much spot on, a bit ambient, a bit hip hop and dub remixes of Hawaiian classics. It may be out of print, but seems to pop up on discogs sometimes.
The Cover of My Guitar Gently Weaps Lana Del Rey did for Kubo and the Two Strings soundtrack was a-mazing!
Anyone know why this was taken down a few hours ago, then reuploaded just now?
I would like to know as well
What I really wanted from Yesterday was any sort of explanation for the missing things, and I was hoping for a butterfly effect answer. Like, he realized cigarettes don't exist, which could be connected to the Beatles never doing drugs so they never formed a band, IDK. What's the connection to cigarettes, the Beatles and Harry Potter? I wanted to find that a single person or event was erased and that was the world they now lived in.
Dan's takes were completely on-point for me this time. I haven't seen any of these films, but I would definitely watch and enjoy Dan's versions.
Re: Yesterday, i would recommend the movie "Searching for Sugarman", its like a real life version of where the discussion ended up
The suck fairy attacked one of my favorite movies when I was young: The Slipper and The Rose.
It’s a Cinderella musical adaption that gives Prince Charming far more character than Cinderella.
The Slipper and the Rose isn't perfect, but "Tell Him that it Wasn't Love" still breaks my heart every time.
I talk about the Suck Fairy all the time with friends. It's the reason I will never watch Ice Pirates or Time Bandits again, they are awesome just living in my memory.
Omg Ice Pirates, yeah, best relived as a memory 😆😅
I just found the As my guitar gently weeps ukulele video and OH MY GOD
I switched to my alt account specifically to comment on this one. The John Carter movie is still pretty decisive to fans of ERB, you hit the nail on the head, the movie didnt do john carter the character proper justice, and as a standalone sci fi it just wasnt enough of a standout with the rash of subpar big budget sci fi movies in that time (see jupiter rising). But it just didnt feel like sword and planet.
I think if the film had hit *before* Avatar it might have done better. But Avatar cribbed so much from it (as well as Star Wars obviously) there just wasn't much to see that was "new" when it hit.
All I want for Christmas is a book series about this Luke Gorgeous cinema villain.
“I’m a bad person who like sad things…” yeah I felt that way after finishing RoW
I loved John Carter simply due to it being such a great example of science fantasy. Most science fantasy is like 90/10 sci-fi/fantasy, but John Carter felt more 50/50. I just want more Sci-Fan
I’ve never watched the wonder years, but you talking about the main character meeting up with his younger love later in life reminds me of Amazon Prime’s version of Around the World in 80 Days
You guys should talk about LOFI music and how popular it’s becoming with 24/7 LOFI UA-cam channels
That original yesterday script does sound interesting and you weren't even trying to sell it. I think a good comedic actor could sell it as a comedy.
Takeaway-I want to the reality where “the most Dan movies” get made!
Regarding Ukelele chillhop:
Cody G. - Ukelele and Chill (1 hour)
Enjoy the cruise guys!
The best mashup I have ever heard is a mashup of "Down with the Sickness" by Disturbed and "Little Talks" by Of Monsters and Men. It is called Little Sickness and it is such a delightful clash of styles
What if Luke Gorgeous changed Star Wars, but it reached popular acclaim in the way The Room did?
This feels like an episode going back to your roots with all these disjointed tangents.
My favourite Song Mashups - ua-cam.com/play/PLXuKv7H_fi1MOXdocbeA0gMmp1LKt1vsE.html
my first novels that got me engaged in recreational non assigned reading were Michael Chrichton's Jurrassic Park and Congo at the time i really liked Jurrassic Park but ultimately I found Congo much more riveting (i was 12,13 at the time) and thought the hyper intelligent gorillas that used weapons were much scarier than the velociraptors of JP...
but in my adulthood i found that Jurrassic park has stood the test of time much better as a cautionary tale about rushing forward with unproven technology and Congo was visited by the suck fairy it wasn't as scary as i remembered and didn't have as much to say and the technology envisioned didn't hold up against actual technological developments.
I heard the word "mashup" and instantly thought of Isosine, glad they got there eventually
Dan why aren’t you also signing books?
I always thought the end of Yesterday was going to have some of the original Beatles come forward and say, “hey this guy is performing our music.” And then they would show their original versions. I agree that the movie didn’t have a good enough conflict for the main character.
The conflict was with himself.
I'm gonna be a tear drop in the ocean here...but Down With the Sickness v Shape of You is an A+ mash up!
Also that ukulele version of well My Guitar Gently Weeps is Gawd Tier
i went to an edd shearan concert when he was just starting out (he opened for snow patrol) and he literally composed a song on stage with a repeter it was really cool to be there for.
Video game music mashup I really like: DRV3 Scrum Debate and Pokemon SwSh Gym Leader theme.
Hey, I'm actually that Statistically Improbable person who's getting married (next week!) to the girl he's dated since 14. Thanks for the shoutout Dan!
You know, Yesterday actually has a much nicer premise hidden inside: it's not the second chance magically given to the unknown singer Jack Malik, it is a second chance magically given to John Lennon. Malik (and others) are just accidental bystanders to John Lennon being able to live another life.
Re : musicians don’t challenge each other to composing in one hour, check out Andrew Huang and Rob Scallon’s videos from a while back “composing a song in under an hour”
This bad story idea kinda reminds me of the movie 'The History of Time Travel'.
Give that Brandon enjoys musicals so much I need to know which of his books would make the best musical adaptation.
I would love it if you added links in the description to things you specifically reference 😁
There is a movie "Frequently Asked Questions About Time Travel" that is kind of similar to that horrible story idea. It focuses on localized time problems caused by the time traveler arriving more than the hows and whys of what they are doing, though.
Screaming at this video Peter Menard Author of the Quijote by Borges while they talk about Yesterday
Basically everyone in my Senior High School class married someone from that class. At our recent 20 year reunion, we discovered that all but 10 of the married people were married to people from our class, 4 married someone from a class older or younger.
Of the literal 120+ couples from my Sr class, only 2 were couples in highschool, and one of those got together at the end of our senior year, the other couple had been together since like 7th grade.
Bastille has the best mash up - a cover of Cant Stop by Miley Cyrus, arranged so the bridge of the song is Achey Brakey Heart by Billy Ray Cyrus. The lyric “only god can judge us” is changed to “only dad can judge us” and on top of all that, the intro to the song is the intro to Lose Yourself by Eminem
I married my high school sweetheart, and my husband's parents were high school sweethearts. 😂 How statistically unlikely is that 😂😂
Any discussion of mashups that doesn't mention Mouth Moods or Mouth Dreams by Neil Cicierega makes me sad.
regarding dan's comment about hearing a song in a mashup first, i tend to do that with acapella music. I'll hear a song the first time as an acapella cover, and usually end up preferring the cover, especially when its a medley or mashup of some kind
Favorite mashup is savages and gasoline
Have you seen the version of “Why do you write like you’re running out of time” from Hamilton that is a tribute to you?
TV tropes called the John Carter effect the Seinfeld Effect.
33:10 I searched for multiple versions of ukulele 'while my guitar gently weeps' and while not as good as the original piece (imo) almost all of them were pretty dang good and beautiful in their own way. Split between Dan and Bran on this matter.
It's this one
ua-cam.com/video/qw6YL_l2YxA/v-deo.html
Also heck yeah excited to find out that Dan is a fellow DJ Earworm enthusiast.
Bobby alou is a great ukulele musician with island vibes
You should look up the version of While My Guitar Gently Weeps from the credits of Kubo and the Two Strings. ( You should look up that movie btw! It's beautiful! ❤)
Do you guys plan on taking about house of the dragon? I know Brandon doesn’t like grimdark much, but it’s a damn good show
My favourite mashup is sandroll
What you're looking for is Hawaiian slack key guitar. Most is instrumental. Try Ledward Kaapana or Keola Beamer among many
Me sitting her shocked that Brandon and I have the same favorite mash-up.
Man I want to see the original screen play for Yesterday
The Zorro effect is the opposite. The Zorro effect is where a story is retold but altered each time. The net effect of this is the protagonist becomes diminished by making his opponents more bafoonish and less belligerent with each retelling. Zorro starts as an amazing swordsman putting his life on the line for others. And moves to the much lower stakes of an average man dealing with idiots.
When I watched Yesterday I came away feeling that the thesis of the film was that great art is important but that the fame that comes when you create great art is not important (not bad necessarily, just not important).
But I think they got a little lost/distracted from their themes at times. I seem to recall a throw away line in the film where it is revealed people have forgotten about cigarettes. Why was this important to the story? The fact that this made past the various edits a film invariably goes through seems to lend a certain credence to Dan's statement about the film not knowing what it is trying to say or where it is trying to go.
There were two books/series that i loved the movie ruined. John Carter, disappointed me, but i did not hate it, and Battlefield earth. One of my fav Sci fi books, and the only time in my life I left a movie theater angry. I would love to see both have someone take another try and make something good.
The thing that drove me nuts about John Carter, was it just couldn't pick a lane. It either needed to be a fun family adventure, or an adult violent adventure (which would have made it different from Star Wars). The Barsoom books are pretty sexy and violent, they aren't kids books, the contrast with the genteel southern gentleman is pretty stark to the barbarity and alien extremity of Mars in the story (though you have to parse the delivery of the language a bit to really get the total effect, it was written a very long time ago). The film had this edgy backstory for Carter, but then made the rest of it sort of generic and tame. They either needed to go full kids show (not my preference) or basically game of thrones but with a noble hero as the lead. If a series adapted for modern audiences was going to be skewed more adult and given darker themes and textures, the one with all the naked space conflict and slavery is probably it.
Yesterday is a lovely but toothless film. There was originally a love triangle, with a wonderful scene, but even that was too much conflict for that film. It needed to have something it really wanted to say, but it was just kind of there being sweet. It's fine, but not great. I like Dan's version, but I also think him inspiring the Beetles to get out there and play would've been interesting. Like their art inspires him to go out and inspire them.
Brandon's solution in Yesterday is perfect.
With all the content everywhere these days, I think all of us are quick to judge what we want to watch. I initially did not think this podcast would interest me that much, but caught myself really looking forward to an episode this week. Haha I know its a kinda weird praise, but I'm trying to say I've come to really love these discussions so keep it up :-)
Years ago I watched a video essay on vimeo called "The Unloved - John Carter" by Scout Tafoya, that video never really left me since I was quite a fan of the film when it came out, would have loved to see what the sequel would have looked like. Your thoughts on the topic really made me reminisce.
My mashup is the Pomplemoose one mixing Jamiroquai and the BeeGees.
Yesterday.....had a really good soundtrack! My daughter liked it more than I did because she loved the What If.
You wanna be searching for “slack-key guitar” for Hawaiian instrumentals.