About the cruises: I don't know about the specific tours he's talking about, but around the Baltics there is a steady, in normal times daily (or several times a day) functioning cruise ship traffic. Mostly Stockholm - Helsinki/Turku and Helsinki - Tallinn.
That Cleverlys book is very good. There is also three book series by two finnish authors who actually were in the search party which found Törnis remains. In them is so much more detailed information then any other books of him. Sadly only in finnish.
The way I see it, the biggest outside factors for Winter War was the US shipper Brewster airplanes, which the US pilots weren't too fond of. Easily one of the most underappreciated planes of the entirety of WW2. Sure, it would never hold a candle to a Bf109, or a Spitfire, but in this early stage of the crisis, it was a VERY competent plane when flown with the advantages of the plane in mind. In my opinion, it has its place right up there next to the Mustang among the US planes maybe not in absolute terms, but still.
Thanks for a great reaction. By the way, not only Ukraine and Finland took a chance to break away from Russian empire's rule during civil war. Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia also declared independence several months later in 1918. Not really related to the topic of the video but I thought I'd provide some more context☺
I was pretty sure that was true with Estonia, but I hate saying something during reactions that I think is right that ends up being wrong. Latvia and Lithuania I didn’t realize was at that same time. Thanks for the insight!
From this very same house i live in Finland, my grandfathers father left to fought for Estonias indepence in 1919. Ekstöms first free corps was the outfit.
That would be interesting to see. Lithuania had to fight several different groups to establish its independent territory. So learning more about Estonia's case while watching a reaction at the same time would be great.
Can’t wait for the surströmming vid. Haha Just remember to get all the accessories for it like Creme fresh, onion, boil some potato to have on it as well and get a good flat bread for it. The bread that is common in Sweden to eat surströmming with is a bread called Tunnbröd. I’m not sure if it’s something that you can get a hold of but try and find something similar to it if you can is just my recommendation.
Everyone in my house has told me they will absolutely kill me if they get home and I’ve opened it in the house. So I’m trying to figure out how to set up my video stuff outside. 😂
23:00 the most quickly sold out Cruise, possibly in the world, is Sabaton cruise ;) And about Lauri Törni, there are so many great books, sadly in Finnish. One of the best is book series by Finnish war book author Esa Siren. He writes books based on war diaries letters reports etc. and fills in the blanks as well as he cans with his imagination+historian+ military experts (these are usually situations that don't affect the historical aspect that badly, like how certain position was attcked, if the report leaves gaps for example). The Törni series has 4 books: Törni kärkeen (Törni to the "tip of the spear"/top the front of the unit) about his time when returning to Finland for continuation war. He commanded a tank platoon. Törni iskee (Törni strikes) about the Finnish offensive to Soviet Karelia and his tank platoon journey to the end of the offensive. Törnin sissit (Törni's sissi's/recon troops) about his long range recon missions, Soviet partisan hunting and destroying of Soviet bases behind the lines. Törnin hurjat jääkärit (Törnis fearsome/ferocious jägers) About the Unit Törni in the brutal battles of Soviet mass offensive to knock Finland out. Couple of fun facts, late Finnish president Mauno Koivisto served as light machine gunner in Unit Törni. There is really old hotel at the city center of Tampere (built 1929). Bunch of great people of history has stayed there for example Marshal Mannerheim. I was there for brunch couple of weeks ago and there was a brass plack that read something like this: "Men of unit Törni reunited here 1951*, they got banned for life" (*year might be wrong). Another fact is more general but it has been said Törni agreed. The Finnish officers didn't value the training they got in the SS, kind of "student exchange" with Germany. Törni I think remarked it was useless and I have seen many officers claim the same. Well that can be "expected" as Finnish infantry that fought along the Germans during the continuation war in the northern Finland cloudn't understand how horrible Germans were at fighting in forests. One story goes something like this: Germans were going on a recon mission, Soviet road use recon (how many vehicles etc). They asked for a Finnish guide, the guide was PFC who knew some German. After few hundred meters he had to stop the platoon and try to give them a field lesson in moving in formation in forest AND TO MAKE THEIR GEAR STOP BANGING AND CLANGING. They had everything possible with them for few hour recon. Finns wondered why on earth did germans have a full platoon for such recon mission, since Finns generally used like 3-9 man teams for such things. Well after they got the road the Germans did something the guide Finn had never seen before. The platoon got in "line", they took turns to watch for the road, after like some column had passed the first guy ran to the officer and told the count and repeat. There were some more odd shenanigans(like the officer had a whistle or something that he used without any "reason" and produced more noice) that I can't recall from this, but the Finnish guide was like WTF is going, this is not how recon works, the whole time.
I mean, the only excuse I could really think of for that is maybe the Germans had run through everybody so quickly and decisively up to that point that maybe they hadn’t ever had to do real recon work in the field? But that seems crazy, it wouldn’t even take a soldier to be confused about what they were seeing, even a hunter would be scratching his head at how the Germans were moving. That’s so crazy.
@@rayceofhistory That could be a reasoning for it. Those stories and some facts really makes me understand why the German Army of Norway had very limited success and even poor performance in the north. Though to be fair I haven't looked that much into it, only bits of information that has been mentioned in "related" topics.
"Alikersantti" he pronounced so dramatically is literally subsergeant or undersergeant ("Kersantti" is how word that became "sergeant" in English morphed into in mouths of old timey Finns for some reason.), But usually alikersantti is translated as corporal because they share similar roles. Which is funny because we also have rank that is cognate with corporal (korpraali), but unlike in English speaking countries, here corporal in senior private instead of junior NCO for some reason.
Im sure the most well known cruise ship for music internationally, at least for metal music, is the 70 000 tons of metal. Which is literally a metal festival on a cruise. I dont think theyve been active past few years because covid but hopefully they will return.
Yes in finland those boats are ships that are cruise ships but people go there to drink and party and there is good bands usually and many bars and discos and going is cheap like 20-40euros 🤣
Yeeah , the crusies boats goes between Stockholm - Helsingfors and you can see specific bands play on the boats. 24 hours Cruise and bands play booth way , between the afternoon to long in too the night , Then on the way back from middle of the day too you are back at land in Stockholm again.
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About the cruises: I don't know about the specific tours he's talking about, but around the Baltics there is a steady, in normal times daily (or several times a day) functioning cruise ship traffic. Mostly Stockholm - Helsinki/Turku and Helsinki - Tallinn.
That Cleverlys book is very good. There is also three book series by two finnish authors who actually were in the search party which found Törnis remains. In them is so much more detailed information then any other books of him. Sadly only in finnish.
I have to check those books out. They sound interesting!
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The way I see it, the biggest outside factors for Winter War was the US shipper Brewster airplanes, which the US pilots weren't too fond of.
Easily one of the most underappreciated planes of the entirety of WW2.
Sure, it would never hold a candle to a Bf109, or a Spitfire, but in this early stage of the crisis, it was a VERY competent plane when flown with the advantages of the plane in mind.
In my opinion, it has its place right up there next to the Mustang among the US planes maybe not in absolute terms, but still.
We still use same tactics: motti. Terrain when you know it. It'ss taught to everybody. Use cover, know the forest...and that's we do...
Thanks for a great reaction. By the way, not only Ukraine and Finland took a chance to break away from Russian empire's rule during civil war. Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia also declared independence several months later in 1918. Not really related to the topic of the video but I thought I'd provide some more context☺
Eastory has a great video on the Estonian war of independence Ray should react to.
I was pretty sure that was true with Estonia, but I hate saying something during reactions that I think is right that ends up being wrong. Latvia and Lithuania I didn’t realize was at that same time. Thanks for the insight!
From this very same house i live in Finland, my grandfathers father left to fought for Estonias indepence in 1919. Ekstöms first free corps was the outfit.
That would be interesting to see. Lithuania had to fight several different groups to establish its independent territory. So learning more about Estonia's case while watching a reaction at the same time would be great.
Can’t wait for the surströmming vid. Haha
Just remember to get all the accessories for it like Creme fresh, onion, boil some potato to have on it as well and get a good flat bread for it.
The bread that is common in Sweden to eat surströmming with is a bread called Tunnbröd. I’m not sure if it’s something that you can get a hold of but try and find something similar to it if you can is just my recommendation.
Surströ-
Oh heck... open that can, under water, and out doors. You do not want to open that indoors.
Haha he definitely should unless he doesn’t want to get poisoned by the smell.
Everyone in my house has told me they will absolutely kill me if they get home and I’ve opened it in the house. So I’m trying to figure out how to set up my video stuff outside. 😂
@@rayceofhistoryThe first vid I linked you is of a guy opening it in a bucket outside if you jump over to discord I can try and explain.
23:00 the most quickly sold out Cruise, possibly in the world, is Sabaton cruise ;)
And about Lauri Törni, there are so many great books, sadly in Finnish. One of the best is book series by Finnish war book author Esa Siren. He writes books based on war diaries letters reports etc. and fills in the blanks as well as he cans with his imagination+historian+ military experts (these are usually situations that don't affect the historical aspect that badly, like how certain position was attcked, if the report leaves gaps for example).
The Törni series has 4 books:
Törni kärkeen (Törni to the "tip of the spear"/top the front of the unit) about his time when returning to Finland for continuation war. He commanded a tank platoon.
Törni iskee (Törni strikes) about the Finnish offensive to Soviet Karelia and his tank platoon journey to the end of the offensive.
Törnin sissit (Törni's sissi's/recon troops) about his long range recon missions, Soviet partisan hunting and destroying of Soviet bases behind the lines.
Törnin hurjat jääkärit (Törnis fearsome/ferocious jägers) About the Unit Törni in the brutal battles of Soviet mass offensive to knock Finland out.
Couple of fun facts, late Finnish president Mauno Koivisto served as light machine gunner in Unit Törni.
There is really old hotel at the city center of Tampere (built 1929). Bunch of great people of history has stayed there for example Marshal Mannerheim. I was there for brunch couple of weeks ago and there was a brass plack that read something like this: "Men of unit Törni reunited here 1951*, they got banned for life" (*year might be wrong).
Another fact is more general but it has been said Törni agreed. The Finnish officers didn't value the training they got in the SS, kind of "student exchange" with Germany. Törni I think remarked it was useless and I have seen many officers claim the same. Well that can be "expected" as Finnish infantry that fought along the Germans during the continuation war in the northern Finland cloudn't understand how horrible Germans were at fighting in forests. One story goes something like this:
Germans were going on a recon mission, Soviet road use recon (how many vehicles etc). They asked for a Finnish guide, the guide was PFC who knew some German. After few hundred meters he had to stop the platoon and try to give them a field lesson in moving in formation in forest AND TO MAKE THEIR GEAR STOP BANGING AND CLANGING. They had everything possible with them for few hour recon.
Finns wondered why on earth did germans have a full platoon for such recon mission, since Finns generally used like 3-9 man teams for such things. Well after they got the road the Germans did something the guide Finn had never seen before. The platoon got in "line", they took turns to watch for the road, after like some column had passed the first guy ran to the officer and told the count and repeat. There were some more odd shenanigans(like the officer had a whistle or something that he used without any "reason" and produced more noice) that I can't recall from this, but the Finnish guide was like WTF is going, this is not how recon works, the whole time.
I mean, the only excuse I could really think of for that is maybe the Germans had run through everybody so quickly and decisively up to that point that maybe they hadn’t ever had to do real recon work in the field? But that seems crazy, it wouldn’t even take a soldier to be confused about what they were seeing, even a hunter would be scratching his head at how the Germans were moving. That’s so crazy.
@@rayceofhistory That could be a reasoning for it. Those stories and some facts really makes me understand why the German Army of Norway had very limited success and even poor performance in the north. Though to be fair I haven't looked that much into it, only bits of information that has been mentioned in "related" topics.
Part 2 and 3 coming tomorrow?
Hope so but a few days of wait won’t hurt. However if you can do them tomorrow that would be great.
"Alikersantti" he pronounced so dramatically is literally subsergeant or undersergeant ("Kersantti" is how word that became "sergeant" in English morphed into in mouths of old timey Finns for some reason.), But usually alikersantti is translated as corporal because they share similar roles.
Which is funny because we also have rank that is cognate with corporal (korpraali), but unlike in English speaking countries, here corporal in senior private instead of junior NCO for some reason.
Im sure the most well known cruise ship for music internationally, at least for metal music, is the 70 000 tons of metal. Which is literally a metal festival on a cruise. I dont think theyve been active past few years because covid but hopefully they will return.
sorry new for ur channel proud u have intressed in winter war i thought it most forgot by russia =)
Yes in finland those boats are ships that are cruise ships but people go there to drink and party and there is good bands usually and many bars and discos and going is cheap like 20-40euros 🤣
Goes between Finland and Sweden and some ships in estonia too so they are ferries and cruise ships at the same time 🤣
Yeeah , the crusies boats goes between Stockholm - Helsingfors and you can see specific bands play on the boats. 24 hours Cruise and bands play booth way , between the afternoon to long in too the night , Then on the way back from middle of the day too you are back at land in Stockholm again.
That would be awesome.
@@rayceofhistory Rock at Sea on Vikingline ships
whats new.. 90 yers later thats russisn tactiks
read that one...i think finnish books are more close to the truth.
Ukraine obviously didn't get any independence? it was bread basket of soviets until Stalin went nuts...anyways this is about Finland...isn't it.
no, you have understand Finand totaly wrong.