Moin ! I have a early Rev G and I play and love it still. @Christian. Maybe you could explain again how you run that Orange Amp into the Rectifier. Please for dummies... im not that technical Guy... Prost 🍻
@Nicko Lps That's subjective, and genre dependent. Blues, ect yes, this is pretty true. Lots of HM2 based Swedish tones true also, but that's not the clean channel you're hearing, that's a pedal that's literally designed to be a stand in for a high gain preamp section. Best? Best for what? High gain channel of a Rectifier head is the best for the genres that require that kind of tone. It's not best for playing country. I'm really intrigued as to how the clean channel of a cranked amplifier of any type is "best" for heavy stuff unless you are using a high gain pedal in the particular contexts where pedals are preferable to amp distortion, such as Swedish death metal, stoner doom, and whatever it is Sunn o))) is doing, which I will reiterate is not really about the clean channel at all, and arguably could be achieved by bypassing the preamp altogether and going straight into the power amp with your dirt pedals. Distortion and fuzz pedals are acting as preamps. And don't talk to me about boost or overdrive into a clean channel, that's not likely to achieve the sorts of tones used in the heavy genres these guys work in. And I say that as someone who loves a good overdriven clean channel. There is no "best" Sunn amps were unsuccessful for good reason, they were too clean for guitar players and just as good for bass as a lot of other much more established brands. But for what Sunn o))) are doing they are indispensable. Fender amps are an integral part of many many classic genres, but they are completely unsuitable for heavy stuff, just as you wouldn't buy a Engel or Diezel to play rockabilly. What is "best"? The only answer is that it depends.
Join the dark side....... B Standard tuning (Drop Tuning is acceptable as a last resort), 666 settings ( Bass, Mids, Treble ), Low light setting and crank it loud!!!!!! Be one with your inner Recto Metal Head. You will instantly have tougher riffs and your peers will be equally horrified and mesmerized!
I wish Fluff's Rectifier page had everything Rectifier: Singles, Rectoverbs, Tremoverbs, Roadsters, Road Kings. It should be all inclusive, but great job as is.
The Prototype 150 watt Dual Rect Rev C, serial #217, owner here that Fluff included in his Rectifier Website. Love the Rectifier Series amps. Loved watching Fluff give an interview on your channel!! Really enjoy listening to him talk nerd stuff!!
@@ericthibaut3791 That’s awesome! You don’t see very many 150w prototypes! Mine was the first prototype they did. Didn’t think anymore survived! REALLY cool!!
This is a goldmine on the Recto. Just damn. I thought I knew something about this amp but this was a thorough lesson in detail. Awesome. :) If possible, it would be super cool to have more videos like this about specific amps and their history, mechanics etc. It's so fascinating. Cheers 🍻
@@KohleAudioKult thrash and death metal were forged in the fires of the old Marshall JMPs and JCM800s.. would be cool to get someone in about those and perhaps see if the newer Marshall Studio amps can hit the mark for those sounds.
Fluff is the best! i still have "Hey Chelsea" playing in my head after attempting my own mix for the Dragged Under contest last year. i love that song.
I have a super early revision C. The serial number is R-0058 and it use to belong to Tom from ProPain (they recorded the “shreds of dignity” album in one of my old bands warehouse practice space in Sarasota. Tom gave two of his DRs to my other guitarist (John)and said “if you can fix one, you can have the other”. Yesterday it was gifted to me by Johnny. I’m beyond stoked.
I have both A Dual and Triple Rectifier and both are killer and yes the extra headroom is great and the sound guys hate me!! Love the sound of both heads I use the Dual for rehearsal and Triple Rectifier live
My triple rec gives me the best sound/tone/mojo I've ever had in my 42 years of playing rock and metal. I wish Fluff would do a complete rectifier series amps. Great video!
Softube amp room added a rectifier (and a grind pedal) recently and it's hilariously brutal. Just speaks to me in a way the official amplitube and ml sound labs models don't. The huge scoop is a perfect compliment to Marshalls and oranges. For the neural guys: the Omega granophyre isn't the same thing, but it has a fair bit of Mesa dna to my ears.
I honestly love the high mids on the Rectifier, rather than the low end. It has such a recognizable "CRGK" in the top end, along with it's preserved dynamics makes it cut through dense mixes so well without it just sounding like edgy noise! I do like how big the low end makes the guitars sound, but I do almost always turn down the bass on the amp because otherwise takes over the bass too much in my experience
Same here! It just seems that these days everybody is fighting all frequencies that miiiiight sound harsh with notch filters and what not. Back in the days we called "aggressive" what's called "harsh" today.
I'm in love with my 2010's Multiwatt Dual Recto. Is the most brutal yet versatile amp I have ever played in my life, you can get any tone you want out of it, from pristine cleans to the most harcore distortion out there😍.
I spent much of my Lockdown-inflicted free time with building my own 100W clone of a Recto (based on a 2ch Rev F but with MIDI included) and I totally tried to dig all the way down that rabbit hole of early rectos and the hype about revision differences, to integrate them into my own DIY amp. It's always great to see and hear people nerding out about rectos as much as I did back then :)!
@@KohleAudioKult Took me a while to get rid off all the "Kinderkrankheiten" like with all DIY stuff, but now it sounds basically the same as my "original" Rev F, apart from the slight tweaks that I did to the tone shaping: bit darker sounding, more controlled bass, a bit more gain unboosted. Plus the integrated MIDI really is sth. that Mesa should have put in their own amps much earlier. Really looking forward to play it live asap.
@@PippPriss There is no full "DIY kit" for that amp, but some dude who's selling PCBs on eBay. However, they are ridiculously overpriced and I was quite lucky that I found someone on EKA (german craigslist) who was selling a set of those for a reasonable price. For the rest, I basically took my own Rev F as an example of where to put the PCBs/parts/tube sockets etc. and went from there, since I changed quite a lot (toroidal power transformer, MIDI switching unit, 12V supply for switching and floor pedal) and completely replaced the over-complicated switching matrix of the original Mesa with a more modern relay design. For populating the PCB, I basically took all the specs from the original layout regarding resistor/capacitor values and ratings. You can find a lot of detailed gut shots of old 2ch Rectifiers online. I also posted my progress and troubleshooting/trials to a thread in the "Musiker-Board". It's in german but maybe you can get some ideas&inspiration from the pictures/sound files there. www.musiker-board.de/threads/diy-projektdokumentation-mesa-boogie-dual-rectifier.705401/
Hey Fluff, I am super stoked I get to see you guys in San Diego for my birthday. Had no idea you were in Dragged Under. I love the band and watch your channel all the time. You've helped me in my mixing endeavors and hope we can chat at the show!
Always loved the Boogies, just too much to afford. Only managed to get a 4x12 slant cab (2 90w Black Shadows, 2 150w Black Shadows) by trading one of my American Standard Strats. It was the dream job of every player in Petaluma to work at Boogie back in the late 80's. Good times. Thanks for the video and all the best from the Bay Area. MK
I will admit a rectifier does take some time to dial in a great tone but once you get that sweet spot you are set for life. I love my single rectifier and produces some awesome tones
Just been dicking about with the STL Tones Amp Hub sim, with Kohle's Chainsaw Bliss IR and a Peper's Pedals Dirty Tree up front. Would be the perfect low end track to blend with a more middy HM-2 tone.
Gosh! I’ve had Rectifiers for 20 years and never realised there was so much more to learn. Happy though i found the best settings by ear ( according to FLuff and yourself). Its EL 34’s all the way too. Great vid!
I own a rectifier rack mount.... one of my most prized possessions. I bought it in 2000ish. It was super expensive for me at the time but so glad I pulled the trigger on it!
Hands down, you have the best and most informative videos on UA-cam when it comes to gear and production. Thanks for your efforts. I’ll buy you a beer if you ever come visit Boston, haha.
When I used to own my 1995 Mesa Recto black diamond plate w/ Mesa EL 34, huge difference. I would change from 6L6 to el34. One day I used EL 34 on a gig one night, one guitarist came in that night thought I modded it. Love that sound too. That is why I ended up buying a Road King2, so I can interchange with the progressive linkage between 6L6 & El 34 or both. I wish I never sold my Rev F. That still sounds more dynamic. I saw a few interviews that Mike Soldano in the very beginning used to tinker with Mesa MK 2bs before he came up with his SLO 100s.
This was great! I appreciate you and Fluff doing this! I have a Rectoverb 50 that was slightly modified and I do love it. ( I play Funk R&B and some metal so it serves me well. But I also use a Kemper for some gigs.
I've owned several versions -- First one I bought was a used Dual Recto in probably '98, 2/ch, w/the black face plate. It was wrapped in leather but kinda beat up, I didn't know what I had -- it sounded incredible but I traded it for a Tremoverb. The Tverb sounded really good, but,...not exactly the same. After that I was on a crazy buying, selling, trading spree so I went though a lot of different amps. I currently have a blonde '93 Tremoverb that I've had since probably '05 and is a killer amp. The one that got away that I wish I never sold -- early black face plate Triple Recto. That amp was beastly sounding. Great video man!
I loved the crap out of this please do a part two and please do a 5150 version of this this is the most awesome thing I've seen on the internet to date
@@taylorhayes7292 yeah, the middle and 3rd amp are exactly like my EVH channels 2 and 3. I have a Rev G and have used a multi watt and older 3 channel a lot and it baffles me that people think Gojira sounds like a recto
It’s a bummer no Mesa boogie from neural. 5150 done multiple times at this point from them… Eager to hear a Mesa model because other sim companies always seem to come short.
Whatever blows your hair back. For me I like to use rack mount power amps, they’re always two channel so you can power two different speaker cabs from them, so that’s what I do. From Mesa, the 2:One Hundred. From Marshall the EL34 50/50, and from Peavey the Classic 50/50. These are the output sections for 6 rack preamps, from Mesa the Rec Pre, from Marshall the JMP1, and then ADA, Rockman, KSR, and the new Black Widow MGP. The speakers can cabinets are big changes to the personality of any amp, and 4x cabs have proven to sound more woody, which is nice especially for the Marshall sounds. I don’t get really modern metal sounds from my guitars, always have been into 80s sounds, and have tried to get closer to Ratt and Accept style sounds. I’m kinda new and amateur, but learning how to mix from all of these YT videos. No real outboard compressors, but use a Waves mix Buss G comp, and that really allowed me to record loud audio and not worry about killing it with level reduction/peak reduction. Learning phase and sample analysis was one of the biggest caveats. I wanted to get all kinds of great sounds, and focused a lot on the Marshall sounds, since back then Mesa didn’t exist. But having a 2:100 allows me to try all kinds of speakers with it, and so far the V30 and Creamback are my go to. I have some Eminence as well, but the 4x cabs are really what brought all of the nice woody sound. Still want to get an AKG mic set back, and hear more of the room. It’s a lot of factors, and I don’t really experiment with it all very often. I play every other week or so. I don’t play every day. It’s a hobby. Thanks for teaching us what you can, I learn a lot from all of you guys.
That’s a great setup with all these pre and power amps. If you can switch between them easily, that’s a very versatile recording rig. Check out my other guitar videos for more Infos about a lot of different speakers and about getting the phase right when miking.
Great video. You both have inspired me to drag out my mid 90’s Voodoo modified dual rectumfighter. This video was good timing as I have been researching and was most likely going to buy a 20watt Marshall. This probably just saved me a bunch of money 💰
I’m not a fan of Mesa poweramps but one of my favorite tones ever was messing with a rectifier recording preamp into the poweramp of a jcm800 with an xotic effects bb preamp boosting the front end.
I just picked up a recording rectifier and I'm going to run it into a blue face Randall SS power amp... we'll see how it goes... I'm also going to save up for a Marshall and do the same as you
I just use the Rectifier on the STL Amphub and the model on my Peavey VYPYR because I can't afford a Recto. What I really like about the Recto is that you can essentially play any genre with it and it sounds great!
Excellent video.....Fluff is one of my favorites now I'll be checking this channel out as well. I still kick myself for selling my Rev C #R00149 5 years ago. You guys nailed it !! Liked & Subscribed
This is awesome and surely there are no women in this comment section because this has got to be the nerdiest thing in metal…and I love it! You two have great dynamics.
i have an early 3 channel recto. surprisingly great clean channel if you ever decide to use it. and Fluff is absolutely right, any rectifier is pretty much the same sounding, the most difference ican tell is some of the early 2 channels and Revisions sound like they have some kind of filter on the high gain channels. its not a bad thing, just different. almost like your recording the same amp through different mics.
Awesome video, learned a lot... subscribed! Btw hows your Blackstar Series One? Can't find much reviews on internet but I really heard great things and bad things about it... regardless I'm interested in getting one.
I also went to Woodstock 94! \m/ First Boogie I ever owned (And still do) which was also in 94 was the Triaxis and 2 Boogie rectifier Cabs with Diamond plating. I also own a custom Roadking II with the black diamond plating on the front. \m/
The first time I heard a recto was in first 90s, Sheer Terror was playing in a squat in Italy, the sound coming from that never seen before amp was massive! The volume was high, no mics on guitar cab, it was huge. Maybe too much low end for my taste but I was really impressed.
I have a triple made in 97. Rectifier setting, spongy, old RCA 5U4G, JJ KT77 in the EL34 setting, JJ 12AX7s, Maxon OD, tiny bit of TC electronics reverb, Marshall 4x12 with vintage 30s, Seymour Duncan distortion pickups. Will blow my entire house down and sounds so effing good. Will never sell this rig
I own a 3 channels Dual Rectifier (from 2009) for 2 years now, and honestly, I never found a satisfying sound, with flubby/muddy lows at high gain, and never found a satisfying balance between the 3 channels. It's one of my dream amp, and a great disappointment. With the effects loop adding extra frequencies and volume changes (adding an EQ in the loop is a true challenge !), I decided to mod my Rectifier instead of sell it. Just changing a cap (cathode bypass cap on V1A tube), changing the gain pot on red channel and bypassing the effects loop buffer, it's a new amp, keeping the original Rectifier character, but hugely more tweakable and manageable. And I'm sure I can get better modifying some caps on other stages... But right now, I LOVE my Rectifier. A few components for a few euros/bucks and a little know-how (the internet is your friend), it's simple, right?
Great video! Got my first Dual recto last november, and i love it! I use the fx-loop but its good to know abaut the patch cable trick. And finaly i know whitch revision i have, its the Rev-F #1195. Fluff, thanks for creating that website! Cheers!
My two channel triple rectifier was incredible. Don’t know what revision it was but I bought it used. The tone sounded to me like it zipper sizzled. Like each string was on fire and so clear on the read channel. That was my first tube amp and I realized I could use more than 3 strings at a time
I have the mini rec. This amp is sic. From clean, crunch/ Marshall-ish sound till heavy typical rec sound. It's so versatile amp. Good enough for little venues and for home recording.
That was a very cool video. I have a Mark IV and i love it to death and no amp is ever gonna change that, but this got me thinking i need to venture into the rectifier world also. They are different monsters. I kinda missed some info on the Roadkings though..
Yeah, Friedman explained the Soldano copy thing. Apparently, they could’ve avoided the criticism by selecting different capacitors which would’ve yielded the same results 😅
@@georgepelekoudis yes, Mike Soldano said he bought a Mark II to learn from basically. It's in the first minute or so of an interview on spectresoundstudio you tube channel.
@@BSPotter thanks man! Did not know that either. I was first introduced to M/B from a friend that owned a MK2. My brother’s got the halfback 4x12s that were matched with the MK3 series. So much history and soap opera 😅
I play in several bands and my rectifier sounds totally great for each genre. If you wanna djent you just need a pro tone attack overdrive or a precision drive and it sounds fantastic :)
Well I used to own a Mesa recording rectifier, and I can say this: the clean part and crunch is really amazing, and it’s gain is also one of the nicest ever. I cannot compare them with the F rev, but I own a triple, and 2 road kings and it was always sound better
This was very interesting. There are very few pieces of gear I regret getting rid of. The Tremoverb combo is one of those. I have a Tremoverb head on the way now to help with the healing process. Oh and a couple of DV-77s to wire up in a custom 2x12. So…yeah. Thanks. I guess?
Got my early model triple channel dual rectifier for $1300 through my drummers brother who worked at the big brand guitar store at the time. I was 15… bought with cash. The downside - I ran it through the bottom of the barrel crate 4x12 cab. Still sounded alright, but I wish I had the extra cash for 2x12 Avatar or Mesa cab at the time. Sold it about 10 years later on EBay for $1300 plus shipping. I still miss that amp.
The SLO100 actually has a generally superior power amp - it's got that _massive_ output transformer, more capacitance in the supply nodes than Mesa, and they have more headroom - the reason the Mesa _sounds_ more dynamic is because it doesn't run any global power amp negative feedback in modern mode. Short version, without negative feedback has more voltage gain (open loop gain, if that means anything, refers to gain with the negative feedback loop open - i.e. not connected) and has a higher output impedance and less even frequency response because of that.
I don't begrudge anyone their nerdy passions. These are great amps to be sure. I belive you can get good tones out of any amp & guitar combo if you work on it. We love what we love & usually dump on anyone else who doesn't agree. I love my GBX SUPERBUG (early 70s Canadian solid state with Celestion greenbacks) but I'll play through any3to get the job done.
I have a 3 channel multi watt and I like to use the tube rectification on the clean channel. I use that as a pedal platform channel, and it rounds of the attack making it a little warmer and kind of like a fender clean almost.
I have a 1995 Dual Rec Rev-G (rare factory blackout tread plate and grill) with 6L6's, and a Legendary Tones Mr. Scary Mod in the V3 preamp tube slot (HUGE boost in clean gain, because you can back the preamp gain down to keep things tight). And I have a new custom shop (blackout) Badlander 100 EL34 with a Mr. Scary Mod in the V2 preamp tube slot, which turned the Badlander into a fire-breathing monster! Super tight, but absolutely massive amounts of clean gain and tons of headroom. What I love about them, is that they both sound amazing, but also different at the same time. Ryan said he didn't think the Badlander was a true Rectifier, but I strongly disagree. I feel that the Badlander 100w has MUCH more headroom and depth to the tone, compared to the 50 watt version. This is why I got the 100w version, after hearing both, the 50 seemed very "anemic" and thin. But the 100 was bold and had that deep Rectifier "echo" (headroom) sound, and had that low end thump that hits you right in the chest. I like running the Mr. Scary Mods because it basically does the same thing as a Tube Screamer, but internally, and you can basically compensate to "turn the screamer off" by just backing down the amp's gain knob to retain your factory amount of gain. For example, I run my Mr. Scary Mod's gain knob wide open, but then I turn down the amp's actual preamp gain knob (on the front of the amp) to about the 2 o'clock position. This means that my preamp is only working 5/8 of a full load, keeping the amp's tone tight and articulate (not flubby), but with all the added gain from the Mr. Scary Mod. So, modded, my amp is actually producing about 1.5x the amount of gain a normal Dual Rec produces on my settings. If you crank both up, you can get nearly twice the gain of a factory Dual Rec...But the amp gets very loose and flabby sounding. And while most of yall might think I'm crazy for this, I'm running my Mesa's through an old Blackstar Series One PRO 412 cabinet with Celestion V30's. I've had that cab, and my old 2009 Series One 100w EL34 head for years. After doing tons of research, I have found out that basically the fairly rare PRO Series cabinets were a direct clone of the Mesa Rectifier cabs, even down to the internal baffle designs, and V30 speakers. The same wood (marine-grade Birch), same thickness, same specs, same joinery styles in the corners and joints. The only differences are like maybe a 1/8" or 1/4" difference in external dimensions. Other than that, the internals are identical. They even sound just like a Rectifier cab. @Kohle Audio Kult I still hope to see you get hold of one of these rare Blackstar cabs over in Germany, if you can, and would love to see some side-by-side sound tests next to a real Mesa Rectifier cab with V30's.
I found you guys separately. However, your energy together is crazy. This video is audio porn!! Keep doing these discussions!!! Please!!! You feed off one another and you are both intelligent artists and I love this!!
I got to hang with Michael Soldano a bit many many years ago at my shop where he was demo'g the Lucky 13 (my fave Soldano amp) and he basically said that Randall "borrowed" his SLO design for the Rectifier. A great guy BTW. This isn't a knock, just what he mentioned.
Any Recto lovers here? Wich model / revision is your favorite?
I don't have enough money, the Joyo Zombie II has to work for me xD
@@oli8624 The Zombie is a cool little amp.
Moin ! I have a early Rev G and I play and love it still. @Christian. Maybe you could explain again how you run that Orange Amp into the Rectifier. Please for dummies... im not that technical Guy... Prost 🍻
I have a roadking 2. It hits hard on all genres I like to play.
@@kingpants8764 the Roadkings rip dude.
"I've never used the Clean channel." Can I get that on a T-shirt?
Tell me you're a metal guy without telling me you're a metal guy.
Good idea!
@Nicko Lps That's subjective, and genre dependent. Blues, ect yes, this is pretty true. Lots of HM2 based Swedish tones true also, but that's not the clean channel you're hearing, that's a pedal that's literally designed to be a stand in for a high gain preamp section. Best? Best for what? High gain channel of a Rectifier head is the best for the genres that require that kind of tone. It's not best for playing country. I'm really intrigued as to how the clean channel of a cranked amplifier of any type is "best" for heavy stuff unless you are using a high gain pedal in the particular contexts where pedals are preferable to amp distortion, such as Swedish death metal, stoner doom, and whatever it is Sunn o))) is doing, which I will reiterate is not really about the clean channel at all, and arguably could be achieved by bypassing the preamp altogether and going straight into the power amp with your dirt pedals. Distortion and fuzz pedals are acting as preamps. And don't talk to me about boost or overdrive into a clean channel, that's not likely to achieve the sorts of tones used in the heavy genres these guys work in. And I say that as someone who loves a good overdriven clean channel. There is no "best" Sunn amps were unsuccessful for good reason, they were too clean for guitar players and just as good for bass as a lot of other much more established brands. But for what Sunn o))) are doing they are indispensable. Fender amps are an integral part of many many classic genres, but they are completely unsuitable for heavy stuff, just as you wouldn't buy a Engel or Diezel to play rockabilly. What is "best"? The only answer is that it depends.
That comment encapsulates the metal genre, No time for clean bro.. got big angry rifts to drone with.
I'm so sorry that you now have 67 Likes
Wow! What a fantastic video! I have Rectifier back at the studio, now I’m going to go back with renewed vigour! Great collaboration guys!!
❤️🍺🤪
@@KohleAudioKult haha of course there’s a Beer in there! Aloha from Hawaii 🌺
Join the dark side....... B Standard tuning (Drop Tuning is acceptable as a last resort), 666 settings ( Bass, Mids, Treble ), Low light setting and crank it loud!!!!!! Be one with your inner Recto Metal Head. You will instantly have tougher riffs and your peers will be equally horrified and mesmerized!
I'd love to hear you put a road king 2 through its paces
@@Producelikeapro Haha! Prost!
I wish Fluff's Rectifier page had everything Rectifier: Singles, Rectoverbs, Tremoverbs, Roadsters, Road Kings. It should be all inclusive, but great job as is.
The Prototype 150 watt Dual Rect Rev C, serial #217, owner here that Fluff included in his Rectifier Website. Love the Rectifier Series amps. Loved watching Fluff give an interview on your channel!! Really enjoy listening to him talk nerd stuff!!
I have a 150w rev D, #302. It’s a beast! Nice to see another early version owner out there
@@ericthibaut3791 That’s awesome! You don’t see very many 150w prototypes! Mine was the first prototype they did. Didn’t think anymore survived! REALLY cool!!
I’d love the same conversation but about all the 5150 variations. Peavey and EVH
Oh yeah! Me too. Now we gotta find the expert.
@@KohleAudioKult - need the legend himself Mr Brown
I love my Single Recto. It just growls so well for me. I’ve played triples and duals and i love them too. Dialing a recto in is a job in itself.
I have always loved the Single Recto more than the others.
lol 10 hours later i see this comment lol
This is a goldmine on the Recto. Just damn. I thought I knew something about this amp but this was a thorough lesson in detail. Awesome. :)
If possible, it would be super cool to have more videos like this about specific amps and their history, mechanics etc. It's so fascinating.
Cheers 🍻
Thanks! Andy yes. Absolutely! More interviews planned.
@@KohleAudioKult Sweeeeet! ⚡️🎊🎸
@@KohleAudioKult thrash and death metal were forged in the fires of the old Marshall JMPs and JCM800s.. would be cool to get someone in about those and perhaps see if the newer Marshall Studio amps can hit the mark for those sounds.
@@nicholasmullins3693 a scooped jcm800 in a mesa cab with a ds-1.
Fluff is the best! i still have "Hey Chelsea" playing in my head after attempting my own mix for the Dragged Under contest last year. i love that song.
Fluff, I'm an A2 Audio Technician/Monitor Engineer for an outside venue in Clearwater, FL.....I'm soaked 5secs into my day every day.
29:00 “but the cool thing about the dirty tree is it costs half what the fortin costs”
The end at the end you say that it it's a useless conversation. I think it's been very informative. Thank you guys. I love both your channels.
I have a super early revision C. The serial number is R-0058 and it use to belong to Tom from ProPain (they recorded the “shreds of dignity” album in one of my old bands warehouse practice space in Sarasota. Tom gave two of his DRs to my other guitarist (John)and said “if you can fix one, you can have the other”. Yesterday it was gifted to me by Johnny. I’m beyond stoked.
Great chat fellas. Loved it
I’ve always been partial to the Triple Rectifier. Dual Rectifiers are nice, but the Triples were amazing. So much ducking headroom
I agree. The last thing us metal guys need is power amp distortion.
Yeah if you're chugging hard and loud, headroom is a huge deal
I have both A Dual and Triple Rectifier and both are killer and yes the extra headroom is great and the sound guys hate me!! Love the sound of both heads I use the Dual for rehearsal and Triple Rectifier live
My triple rec gives me the best sound/tone/mojo I've ever had in my 42 years of playing rock and metal. I wish Fluff would do a complete rectifier series amps. Great video!
Great video!!! I’ve got Recto fever right now. Trying to pressure my buddy into selling me his Rev G.
Hope you were successful?
@@KohleAudioKult yup, I got a Rev G last November!
Softube amp room added a rectifier (and a grind pedal) recently and it's hilariously brutal. Just speaks to me in a way the official amplitube and ml sound labs models don't. The huge scoop is a perfect compliment to Marshalls and oranges.
For the neural guys: the Omega granophyre isn't the same thing, but it has a fair bit of Mesa dna to my ears.
I honestly love the high mids on the Rectifier, rather than the low end. It has such a recognizable "CRGK" in the top end, along with it's preserved dynamics makes it cut through dense mixes so well without it just sounding like edgy noise!
I do like how big the low end makes the guitars sound, but I do almost always turn down the bass on the amp because otherwise takes over the bass too much in my experience
Same here!
It just seems that these days everybody is fighting all frequencies that miiiiight sound harsh with notch filters and what not.
Back in the days we called "aggressive" what's called "harsh" today.
2 very knowledgeable dudes geeking out = Awesome!
I do agree with Fluff, the Peper dirty tree pedal is awsome with my roadster. It tights everything up and turns it into a chug monster.
Fluffy is a really nice guy! Mesa Boogie sounds so great! Perfect for metal!
Haha I’m going to call him Fluffy from now on!
@@Producelikeapro 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm in love with my 2010's Multiwatt Dual Recto. Is the most brutal yet versatile amp I have ever played in my life, you can get any tone you want out of it, from pristine cleans to the most harcore distortion out there😍.
I spent much of my Lockdown-inflicted free time with building my own 100W clone of a Recto (based on a 2ch Rev F but with MIDI included) and I totally tried to dig all the way down that rabbit hole of early rectos and the hype about revision differences, to integrate them into my own DIY amp. It's always great to see and hear people nerding out about rectos as much as I did back then :)!
How did your amp turn out?
@@KohleAudioKult Took me a while to get rid off all the "Kinderkrankheiten" like with all DIY stuff, but now it sounds basically the same as my "original" Rev F, apart from the slight tweaks that I did to the tone shaping: bit darker sounding, more controlled bass, a bit more gain unboosted. Plus the integrated MIDI really is sth. that Mesa should have put in their own amps much earlier. Really looking forward to play it live asap.
Did you have any DIY kit which you used, and if yes, which one was it? Or did you also printed the PCB board etc. On your own?
@@PippPriss There is no full "DIY kit" for that amp, but some dude who's selling PCBs on eBay. However, they are ridiculously overpriced and I was quite lucky that I found someone on EKA (german craigslist) who was selling a set of those for a reasonable price. For the rest, I basically took my own Rev F as an example of where to put the PCBs/parts/tube sockets etc. and went from there, since I changed quite a lot (toroidal power transformer, MIDI switching unit, 12V supply for switching and floor pedal) and completely replaced the over-complicated switching matrix of the original Mesa with a more modern relay design.
For populating the PCB, I basically took all the specs from the original layout regarding resistor/capacitor values and ratings. You can find a lot of detailed gut shots of old 2ch Rectifiers online.
I also posted my progress and troubleshooting/trials to a thread in the "Musiker-Board". It's in german but maybe you can get some ideas&inspiration from the pictures/sound files there.
www.musiker-board.de/threads/diy-projektdokumentation-mesa-boogie-dual-rectifier.705401/
@@clipfishcarsten Awesome. May I ask you which output transformer [brand, model] you have used in your DIY project? Thanks
Hey Fluff, I am super stoked I get to see you guys in San Diego for my birthday. Had no idea you were in Dragged Under. I love the band and watch your channel all the time. You've helped me in my mixing endeavors and hope we can chat at the show!
btw I am using dual recs from STL on all my mixes.
Thanks for addressing the SLO question.
Needed this! I miss my mid 2000sTriple Rec. Great convo
Always loved the Boogies, just too much to afford. Only managed to get a 4x12 slant cab (2 90w Black Shadows, 2 150w Black Shadows) by trading one of my American Standard Strats. It was the dream job of every player in Petaluma to work at Boogie back in the late 80's. Good times.
Thanks for the video and all the best from the Bay Area.
MK
Thank you Kristian, and thank you for the tones Fluff they are huge!!!
Just happy that I saw Brunetti XL in the background!!!
I've never fought more with an amp than I have with my 3 channel recto. My Granophyre is it for me.
This is so educational!!! I stand in awe of the wizards!!
I will admit a rectifier does take some time to dial in a great tone but once you get that sweet spot you are set for life. I love my single rectifier and produces some awesome tones
I have a single rect o verb, i love it. Great video guys. Blessings.
Just been dicking about with the STL Tones Amp Hub sim, with Kohle's Chainsaw Bliss IR and a Peper's Pedals Dirty Tree up front. Would be the perfect low end track to blend with a more middy HM-2 tone.
Recto + HM2 = NUCLEAR WAR!
Gosh! I’ve had Rectifiers for 20 years and never realised there was so much more to learn. Happy though i found the best settings by ear ( according to FLuff and yourself). Its EL 34’s all the way too.
Great vid!
Just got a triple rec rev f. Great video guys, pumped me up for my new amp!
I own a rectifier rack mount.... one of my most prized possessions. I bought it in 2000ish. It was super expensive for me at the time but so glad I pulled the trigger on it!
Hands down, you have the best and most informative videos on UA-cam when it comes to gear and production. Thanks for your efforts. I’ll buy you a beer if you ever come visit Boston, haha.
Thanks man! Spread the word!
Excellent video with Fluff. Great info for anyone in the market for a Rectifier amp
When I used to own my 1995 Mesa Recto black diamond plate w/ Mesa EL 34, huge difference. I would change from 6L6 to el34. One day I used EL 34 on a gig one night, one guitarist came in that night thought I modded it. Love that sound too. That is why I ended up buying a Road King2, so I can interchange with the progressive linkage between 6L6 & El 34 or both. I wish I never sold my Rev F. That still sounds more dynamic. I saw a few interviews that Mike Soldano in the very beginning used to tinker with Mesa MK 2bs before he came up with his SLO 100s.
This was great! I appreciate you and Fluff doing this! I have a Rectoverb 50 that was slightly modified and I do love it. ( I play Funk R&B and some metal so it serves me well. But I also use a Kemper for some gigs.
I've owned several versions -- First one I bought was a used Dual Recto in probably '98, 2/ch, w/the black face plate. It was wrapped in leather but kinda beat up, I didn't know what I had -- it sounded incredible but I traded it for a Tremoverb. The Tverb sounded really good, but,...not exactly the same. After that I was on a crazy buying, selling, trading spree so I went though a lot of different amps. I currently have a blonde '93 Tremoverb that I've had since probably '05 and is a killer amp. The one that got away that I wish I never sold -- early black face plate Triple Recto. That amp was beastly sounding. Great video man!
Great talk as always!
That Dirty Tree is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Tony is gonna be busy after this gets around, lol.
Never thought I’d see you and Ryan collab.
I think we have done 2 or 3 videos already!
Thank you very much guys , awesome video. I learned a lot . 🙏
I love the Rectifier amps!! Awesome video you guys!! Great information. Thank you!
Loved this video. You guys are just awesome teddy bears.
28:30 - hell yea it is. I have a PP Dirty Tree on my board specifically for use with my rectifier. It slays.
I loved the crap out of this please do a part two and please do a 5150 version of this this is the most awesome thing I've seen on the internet to date
But who’s gonna be the 5150 expert?
Neural DSP's Archetype Gojira the 2nd Amp is based on a Rectifier
it sounds absolutely nothing like any rectifier I've used, and exactly like an EVH to me.
@@eds4754 the middle amp not the last one
@@taylorhayes7292 yeah, the middle and 3rd amp are exactly like my EVH channels 2 and 3. I have a Rev G and have used a multi watt and older 3 channel a lot and it baffles me that people think Gojira sounds like a recto
@@eds4754 ah maybe it's cos I'm using a recto IR with it
It’s a bummer no Mesa boogie from neural. 5150 done multiple times at this point from them… Eager to hear a Mesa model because other sim companies always seem to come short.
Whatever blows your hair back. For me I like to use rack mount power amps, they’re always two channel so you can power two different speaker cabs from them, so that’s what I do. From Mesa, the 2:One Hundred. From Marshall the EL34 50/50, and from Peavey the Classic 50/50. These are the output sections for 6 rack preamps, from Mesa the Rec Pre, from Marshall the JMP1, and then ADA, Rockman, KSR, and the new Black Widow MGP. The speakers can cabinets are big changes to the personality of any amp, and 4x cabs have proven to sound more woody, which is nice especially for the Marshall sounds. I don’t get really modern metal sounds from my guitars, always have been into 80s sounds, and have tried to get closer to Ratt and Accept style sounds. I’m kinda new and amateur, but learning how to mix from all of these YT videos. No real outboard compressors, but use a Waves mix Buss G comp, and that really allowed me to record loud audio and not worry about killing it with level reduction/peak reduction. Learning phase and sample analysis was one of the biggest caveats. I wanted to get all kinds of great sounds, and focused a lot on the Marshall sounds, since back then Mesa didn’t exist. But having a 2:100 allows me to try all kinds of speakers with it, and so far the V30 and Creamback are my go to. I have some Eminence as well, but the 4x cabs are really what brought all of the nice woody sound. Still want to get an AKG mic set back, and hear more of the room. It’s a lot of factors, and I don’t really experiment with it all very often. I play every other week or so. I don’t play every day. It’s a hobby. Thanks for teaching us what you can, I learn a lot from all of you guys.
That’s a great setup with all these pre and power amps. If you can switch between them easily, that’s a very versatile recording rig.
Check out my other guitar videos for more Infos about a lot of different speakers and about getting the phase right when miking.
Great video. You both have inspired me to drag out my mid 90’s Voodoo modified dual rectumfighter. This video was good timing as I have been researching and was most likely going to buy a 20watt Marshall. This probably just saved me a bunch of money 💰
great video , very informative , i have a 2 and a 3 channel rectifier, i now have new ways to play with them, thanks fellas!
This was interesting and always fun to watch both of you. Also that low end of a flat tire comment around 20:00 had me dying!
Two of my favorite youtuber in the same video ! Great content :D
I’m not a fan of Mesa poweramps but one of my favorite tones ever was messing with a rectifier recording preamp into the poweramp of a jcm800 with an xotic effects bb preamp boosting the front end.
I just picked up a recording rectifier and I'm going to run it into a blue face Randall SS power amp... we'll see how it goes... I'm also going to save up for a Marshall and do the same as you
3 minutes in I already love this video and good god thank you so much for making that website!
Great video, very informative and great to hear what a couple of professionals think as opposed to the cork sniffers in forums :)
Interested in the tube variation setups if fluff would share that information in more detail!! Great episode 🤘🏻
I just use the Rectifier on the STL Amphub and the model on my Peavey VYPYR because I can't afford a Recto. What I really like about the Recto is that you can essentially play any genre with it and it sounds great!
Excellent video.....Fluff is one of my favorites now I'll be checking this channel out as well. I still kick myself for selling my Rev C #R00149 5 years ago. You guys nailed it !!
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This is awesome and surely there are no women in this comment section because this has got to be the nerdiest thing in metal…and I love it! You two have great dynamics.
There are 2% women on this channel in general! Very disappointing ☹️
@@KohleAudioKult lol can’t say I’m surprised 🤪 the new generation of female guitarists might change that in the future don’t worry 🤘
i have an early 3 channel recto. surprisingly great clean channel if you ever decide to use it. and Fluff is absolutely right, any rectifier is pretty much the same sounding, the most difference ican tell is some of the early 2 channels and Revisions sound like they have some kind of filter on the high gain channels. its not a bad thing, just different. almost like your recording the same amp through different mics.
No matter what, great things were made using rectifiers!! I love these kind of gear talks! Thanks for integrating our questions!
Awesome video, learned a lot... subscribed! Btw hows your Blackstar Series One? Can't find much reviews on internet but I really heard great things and bad things about it... regardless I'm interested in getting one.
I also went to Woodstock 94! \m/
First Boogie I ever owned (And still do) which was also in 94 was the Triaxis and 2 Boogie rectifier Cabs with Diamond plating. I also own a custom Roadking II with the black diamond plating on the front. \m/
The first time I heard a recto was in first 90s, Sheer Terror was playing in a squat in Italy, the sound coming from that never seen before amp was massive!
The volume was high, no mics on guitar cab, it was huge.
Maybe too much low end for my taste but I was really impressed.
Great band!
I had the same with sick of it all in 95. Back when he used a black plated mesa
I have a triple made in 97. Rectifier setting, spongy, old RCA 5U4G, JJ KT77 in the EL34 setting, JJ 12AX7s, Maxon OD, tiny bit of TC electronics reverb, Marshall 4x12 with vintage 30s, Seymour Duncan distortion pickups. Will blow my entire house down and sounds so effing good. Will never sell this rig
26:20 the seriousness with what he said that is peak metal humor
I own a 3 channels Dual Rectifier (from 2009) for 2 years now, and honestly, I never found a satisfying sound, with flubby/muddy lows at high gain, and never found a satisfying balance between the 3 channels. It's one of my dream amp, and a great disappointment. With the effects loop adding extra frequencies and volume changes (adding an EQ in the loop is a true challenge !), I decided to mod my Rectifier instead of sell it. Just changing a cap (cathode bypass cap on V1A tube), changing the gain pot on red channel and bypassing the effects loop buffer, it's a new amp, keeping the original Rectifier character, but hugely more tweakable and manageable. And I'm sure I can get better modifying some caps on other stages... But right now, I LOVE my Rectifier. A few components for a few euros/bucks and a little know-how (the internet is your friend), it's simple, right?
Great video! Got my first Dual recto last november, and i love it! I use the fx-loop but its good to know abaut the patch cable trick. And finaly i know whitch revision i have, its the Rev-F #1195. Fluff, thanks for creating that website! Cheers!
Anyone else notice that Blackstar joke in the beginning of the video?! 😂 Fluff’s favorite ❤️😂
My two channel triple rectifier was incredible. Don’t know what revision it was but I bought it used. The tone sounded to me like it zipper sizzled. Like each string was on fire and so clear on the read channel. That was my first tube amp and I realized I could use more than 3 strings at a time
This is amazing. Period.
I use that line 6 rectifier tone live also. Tried other amp models but always come back to that Recto.
Cool, Loving the Rectifier. I want a NeralDSP Rectifier.
I have the mini rec. This amp is sic. From clean, crunch/ Marshall-ish sound till heavy typical rec sound. It's so versatile amp. Good enough for little venues and for home recording.
That was a very cool video. I have a Mark IV and i love it to death and no amp is ever gonna change that, but this got me thinking i need to venture into the rectifier world also. They are different monsters. I kinda missed some info on the Roadkings though..
I have the Single Rec, Solo 50 version 2. I use a Metal Muff in front and a DD3 delay in the loop. I love it.
Yeah, Friedman explained the Soldano copy thing. Apparently, they could’ve avoided the criticism by selecting different capacitors which would’ve yielded the same results 😅
friedman left out the fact that when soldano wanted to learn to make a high gain amp he went and bought a Mesa Mark series.
@@BSPotter interesting. I didn’t know that. Well, I owned a MK3 back then, and have Triple-Rec now, so no complaints here :)
@@georgepelekoudis yes, Mike Soldano said he bought a Mark II to learn from basically. It's in the first minute or so of an interview on spectresoundstudio you tube channel.
@@BSPotter thanks man! Did not know that either. I was first introduced to M/B from a friend that owned a MK2. My brother’s got the halfback 4x12s that were matched with the MK3 series. So much history and soap opera 😅
I play in several bands and my rectifier sounds totally great for each genre. If you wanna djent you just need a pro tone attack overdrive or a precision drive and it sounds fantastic :)
Well I used to own a Mesa recording rectifier, and I can say this: the clean part and crunch is really amazing, and it’s gain is also one of the nicest ever. I cannot compare them with the F rev, but I own a triple, and 2 road kings and it was always sound better
I cant seem to find the instructions. Is it easy for you to explain me?
Fluff knew more than I thought but I hoped to get much more nerdy than this
Rockerverb into Rectifier. Cool 👍
This was very interesting. There are very few pieces of gear I regret getting rid of. The Tremoverb combo is one of those. I have a Tremoverb head on the way now to help with the healing process. Oh and a couple of DV-77s to wire up in a custom 2x12. So…yeah. Thanks. I guess?
Got my early model triple channel dual rectifier for $1300 through my drummers brother who worked at the big brand guitar store at the time. I was 15… bought with cash. The downside - I ran it through the bottom of the barrel crate 4x12 cab. Still sounded alright, but I wish I had the extra cash for 2x12 Avatar or Mesa cab at the time. Sold it about 10 years later on EBay for $1300 plus shipping. I still miss that amp.
The SLO100 actually has a generally superior power amp - it's got that _massive_ output transformer, more capacitance in the supply nodes than Mesa, and they have more headroom - the reason the Mesa _sounds_ more dynamic is because it doesn't run any global power amp negative feedback in modern mode. Short version, without negative feedback has more voltage gain (open loop gain, if that means anything, refers to gain with the negative feedback loop open - i.e. not connected) and has a higher output impedance and less even frequency response because of that.
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I don't begrudge anyone their nerdy passions. These are great amps to be sure. I belive you can get good tones out of any amp & guitar combo if you work on it. We love what we love & usually dump on anyone else who doesn't agree. I love my GBX SUPERBUG (early 70s Canadian solid state with Celestion greenbacks) but I'll play through any3to get the job done.
A Blackstar AND a Mesa. Now I’ll have nightmares for a month.
Haha!
Ahh there is nothing more beautiful then a couple guys nerding out over gear. It's true, I saw that twinkle in Fluffs eye. 30:54.
You both deserve more subs and views...Thanks for all you guys do!
P.S. didn't Devon Townsend use the Orange channel and tube rectification?
I have a 3 channel multi watt and I like to use the tube rectification on the clean channel. I use that as a pedal platform channel, and it rounds of the attack making it a little warmer and kind of like a fender clean almost.
I have a 1995 Dual Rec Rev-G (rare factory blackout tread plate and grill) with 6L6's, and a Legendary Tones Mr. Scary Mod in the V3 preamp tube slot (HUGE boost in clean gain, because you can back the preamp gain down to keep things tight). And I have a new custom shop (blackout) Badlander 100 EL34 with a Mr. Scary Mod in the V2 preamp tube slot, which turned the Badlander into a fire-breathing monster! Super tight, but absolutely massive amounts of clean gain and tons of headroom.
What I love about them, is that they both sound amazing, but also different at the same time. Ryan said he didn't think the Badlander was a true Rectifier, but I strongly disagree. I feel that the Badlander 100w has MUCH more headroom and depth to the tone, compared to the 50 watt version. This is why I got the 100w version, after hearing both, the 50 seemed very "anemic" and thin. But the 100 was bold and had that deep Rectifier "echo" (headroom) sound, and had that low end thump that hits you right in the chest.
I like running the Mr. Scary Mods because it basically does the same thing as a Tube Screamer, but internally, and you can basically compensate to "turn the screamer off" by just backing down the amp's gain knob to retain your factory amount of gain. For example, I run my Mr. Scary Mod's gain knob wide open, but then I turn down the amp's actual preamp gain knob (on the front of the amp) to about the 2 o'clock position. This means that my preamp is only working 5/8 of a full load, keeping the amp's tone tight and articulate (not flubby), but with all the added gain from the Mr. Scary Mod. So, modded, my amp is actually producing about 1.5x the amount of gain a normal Dual Rec produces on my settings. If you crank both up, you can get nearly twice the gain of a factory Dual Rec...But the amp gets very loose and flabby sounding.
And while most of yall might think I'm crazy for this, I'm running my Mesa's through an old Blackstar Series One PRO 412 cabinet with Celestion V30's. I've had that cab, and my old 2009 Series One 100w EL34 head for years. After doing tons of research, I have found out that basically the fairly rare PRO Series cabinets were a direct clone of the Mesa Rectifier cabs, even down to the internal baffle designs, and V30 speakers. The same wood (marine-grade Birch), same thickness, same specs, same joinery styles in the corners and joints. The only differences are like maybe a 1/8" or 1/4" difference in external dimensions. Other than that, the internals are identical. They even sound just like a Rectifier cab. @Kohle Audio Kult I still hope to see you get hold of one of these rare Blackstar cabs over in Germany, if you can, and would love to see some side-by-side sound tests next to a real Mesa Rectifier cab with V30's.
Every fx pedal and software has this, now I know why. From Birmingham the birth place of metal.
I found you guys separately. However, your energy together is crazy. This video is audio porn!! Keep doing these discussions!!! Please!!! You feed off one another and you are both intelligent artists and I love this!!
I got to hang with Michael Soldano a bit many many years ago at my shop where he was demo'g the Lucky 13 (my fave Soldano amp) and he basically said that Randall "borrowed" his SLO design for the Rectifier. A great guy BTW. This isn't a knock, just what he mentioned.
Wow I never knew that the THREE channel rectos had revisions too!!! Only knew about the C D E F G of 2 channel amps!!! Cool!
The UA-camr’s should create a Drunk History of the classic amps!
Also personally Rev C (6L6), Rev F (KT77), Multi Watt (EL34)