I fly 747 s and land them smoothly almost every time . BUT recently I landed a hard one with the chief pilot sitting next to me. Man it hurt . Of all times to do this
Actually it was initially a terrible recovery. Notice how after the first bounce the nose pitches sharply down, which is exactly the wrong thing to do (doing so is what led to the fatal FedEx accident in Tokyo some years back). The pilot is out of phase with what is happening to the aircraft, and instead just needs to hold the pitch attitude from the initial bounce and let the aircraft settle back onto the runway. Instead, by pushing over during the bounce, the second touchdown is much harder than it would have been had the pitch attitude been maintained. The decision to go around was VERY appropriate, but note how extreme the pitch attitude has to be to prevent a third touchdown - not desirable, but it appears necessary given the mishandling of the initial bounce. The whole thing is rather ironic, because the B-747 is incredibly easy to land (at least the -400 I flew) - a very slight flare is all that’s needed because that huge wing generates so much lift in ground effect.
I was once on a flight landing at an airport in Poland. It was like 3 am and the moment we touched the ground the pilot suddenly lifted the plane and we were back in the sky. That feeling was crazy. Turned out there was an animal on the runway. We had to turn around.
The same worker assembled them have been transferred from Everett to Renton to assemble 737 Max. My flight in a 737-8 landed in DFW smoothly but had a huge metal clattering noise that shook the whole cabin, we didn't know if it was the brake mal-function. We finally stopped.
Anyone who's taken off from LAX knows that you head out over the ocean on departure before banking if your flight is going east. It's beautiful to see as a passenger but in times of trouble...yikes! So glad they recovered this flight and all are safe.
Bad landings happen, but for a pilot that has reached the cockpit of a major airline wide body aircraft to push the nose down on that bounce is unacceptable! That had the look of the captain jumping in to assist and initiate the go around.
@@Sarpooll- No, actually the aft spar failed due to the second impact, causing the wing to fail. The other wing, still producing lift, rolled the aircraft onto its back, killing the crew of the FedEx MD-11 freighter in Tokyo. It’s not a trivial thing, this could have easily been an accident had they not gone around when they did.
I'm not a 747 pilot but it looked like too much speed and too much high alpha - did not level out before touchdown???some pilots help me out here please.
Student pilots don’t fly 747, they fly little Cessna 172 your completely wrong. Things like these happen all over the world with some of the best pilots, it’s just a thing that happens.
Schon heftig, aber vom Piloten dann toll reagiert, hätte auch blöd ausgehen können. Frage ist, warum die Landung so misslungen ist 🤔 Der Anflug sah ja nicht so schlecht aus, etwas unruhig ja, aber das war dann doch nicht zu erwarten. Bitte Titel noch auf 747-8 ändern.
Frage mich auch was da war, aber mich würde vorallem interessieren ob der Airframe untersucht werden muss, oder ob die Fliehkräfte noch unter dem Minimumwert waren... Aber ja super recovery!
What made it come down so hard. It's difficult to make out but it doesn't look windy. There wasn't much of a flare. Did it just come in too fast. Pilots generally only have one go around a year. I'm interested to know if it was pilot error or the flying conditions.
What caused that rough landing? A pilot has to have that feel that you are part of a plane and just glide smoothly with it. Never carry any personal baggages with you when landing.
I would think that with so much automation that a situation like this would be avoided. I would understand if there were heavy winds but in this case it looked marginal. I don't understand how this could have happened in a modern plane, low wind and in broad daylight.
Do they fire or suspend them for such a terrible landing? I'm sure the aircraft has to go through rigorous checks to make sure it doesn't have cracks and broken bolts and whatnot.
Pilot in command: Hey, we "boinged" once ! The second pilot: Ok, let's try the second "boing"... yeaaahhh ! it works... boing, boing boing boing... Pilot in command: ok pal, let's run away, they will not like our way to land 😮😢😢😢
Love the 747s they called in the queen of the sky. I called him the king of the sky. They are definitely mean Machine really a good aircraft no doubt they’ll be doing an airframe examination on that old girl now
Can someone explain why they wouldn’t just continue with the landing at that point? Why take off again when they’ve presumably decelerated quite a bit?
I love Lufthansa service inflight but ALL of their landings are hard and I was told that was because most of their pilots come from aircraft carrier backgrounds so they are used to dropping down at the last minute because they have the tether that stops them but for commercial airlines that's not so comfortable. They need to train or either get pilots that know how to land smoothly by dropping in sooner. I was terrified each time I flew with them at the landings. 😱😱😱
OK, non-pilot here but have landed dozens of times at LAX, often with Lufthansa. Seems like even thought this was rough, on the second bounce he could have stuck with it and set it down? What is the protocol for this?
The airline declared that it was some sort of instructional flight, I guess the captain could have recovered and landed it if he was in control. Probably he told the first officer to go around instead.
I don’t know how long LAX runway is but wouldn’t they have over shot the runway if they would have forced it down? Because clearly they were coming in hot and heavy!
@@jbone765 Hmmm......I've landed there a couple hundred times and it seems with the big birds you taxi a long time before the pilot exits the runway. The thing is, the second bounce was right after the first, which I assume was the original landing plan, so I was thinking there still would be plenty of runway.
It didn’t appear to be THAT hard, but it was definitely a pretty dang hard landing. That said, there’s always some increased risk after an event like that, hence undoubtedly why the crew delayed the retraction until they had time to assess the situation and decide what the best course of action would be.
I was about to say, "You gotta handed to them Germans, they build great commercial airliners." but, it is a Boeing. I think only like two countries manufacture planes, the US and France and during the Cold War, the former Soviet Union also manufactured their own.
Good choice. If something is out of norm, just hit toga (take off/go around) & try again. Maintenance will inspect the gear that's probably fine just as a precaution and move on.
What exactly is your version of DEI? Person of color? A woman? Because either of those can be qualified and good at what they do. I hate how every time something happens its automatically labelled DEI.
@LeeDfined I ask if it's a DEI hire because that would be someone who was not hired primarily for their qualifications. A more qualified person may have not gotten the job based on race or gender.
The plane went Boeing, Boeing, Boeing....
hahaha i get it instead of boing boing boing it went boeing boeing boeing 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Nice
😂😂😂
@@tylerlineback1032thanks for sharing how the joke was made. Glad you cleared up my confusion. What a confusing joke.
I am always in awe of airplanes…what a miracle they are…when things go wrong, my heart goes to the passengers…
sooner or late something goes wrong anyways
Lufthansa Flight 400 now arriving at Gate 8, Gate 9, Gate 10...Gate 13, Gate 14, Gate 15...Gate 23, 24,25...
Good catch Kevin!
Surely you can't be serious.
Do you have to post the same thing everywhere just to fish for likes? Social media is a sad place?
I am, and don't call me Shirley @@45scienceproject
Imagine doing this millions of times and the one time you're being filmed the pressure gets to you.
Millions of times?!
I fly 747 s and land them smoothly almost every time . BUT recently I landed a hard one with the chief pilot sitting next to me. Man it hurt . Of all
times to do this
@@fritzmuller8246hi pilot thank you for your service
@@ewsconstruction6421 🤗
Outstanding recovery!!! Hope the PAX are ok!!! The Queen of the skies is one tough bird!!!
Yes, the landing gear saved them
Actually it was initially a terrible recovery. Notice how after the first bounce the nose pitches sharply down, which is exactly the wrong thing to do (doing so is what led to the fatal FedEx accident in Tokyo some years back). The pilot is out of phase with what is happening to the aircraft, and instead just needs to hold the pitch attitude from the initial bounce and let the aircraft settle back onto the runway. Instead, by pushing over during the bounce, the second touchdown is much harder than it would have been had the pitch attitude been maintained.
The decision to go around was VERY appropriate, but note how extreme the pitch attitude has to be to prevent a third touchdown - not desirable, but it appears necessary given the mishandling of the initial bounce.
The whole thing is rather ironic, because the B-747 is incredibly easy to land (at least the -400 I flew) - a very slight flare is all that’s needed because that huge wing generates so much lift in ground effect.
Those are SOME tires
The old saying, "don't try to make a bad landing good".
John 3:16
I was once on a flight landing at an airport in Poland. It was like 3 am and the moment we touched the ground the pilot suddenly lifted the plane and we were back in the sky. That feeling was crazy. Turned out there was an animal on the runway. We had to turn around.
Im so glad theres a community around plane watching. This is what sparks the interest for many of us normies.
Holy moly! She didn't have her usual graceful arrival that day! Loved seeing this with Kevin on AVL!
Film by Kevin at Airline Videos
This dude said holy moly
Whooooaaaaa WOoooooW whoooooaaaa whoaa whooa woooww holy moly 😂😅😂😅
Amazing self control...expletives flying would have been understandable.😱
As in Holy botched landing Batman!
Too Cute!
Holy cheese and crackers!
The 747-8 is probably the last good quality airplane Boeing made, it's all sturdy and safe :)
@@Mugsy-14same applies to you obviously.
The same worker assembled them have been transferred from Everett to Renton to assemble 737 Max.
My flight in a 737-8 landed in DFW smoothly but had a huge metal clattering noise that shook the whole cabin, we didn't know if it was the brake mal-function. We finally stopped.
I hope they do a thorough inspection of the Air/ frame and the other components time to utilize some good NDT resources
Only as safe as the pilots bouncing it off the runway....
Pilot: Let’s try all over again from the original airport we came from🙂
Hahahhahaha LoL the people inside will fly them selves out of the door once the pilot announces that word 😊
@@truthalwaysprevails6669 😂👍
😂😂😂
I recall one flight where the plane bounced 5 times before we finally stayed on the ground. 😂
Prayers of thanks and then applause all around
Anyone who's taken off from LAX knows that you head out over the ocean on departure before banking if your flight is going east. It's beautiful to see as a passenger but in times of trouble...yikes! So glad they recovered this flight and all are safe.
Flying west out of LAX at sunset is pretty awesome. First class on Air Tahiti, even awesome-r
Bad landings happen, but for a pilot that has reached the cockpit of a major airline wide body aircraft to push the nose down on that bounce is unacceptable! That had the look of the captain jumping in to assist and initiate the go around.
Haha right? Last time that happened the nose wheel broke off, plane was written off and the captain was fired lol
Thanks, Amelia Earhart…..
@dhones - My thoughts exactly.
@@Sarpooll- No, actually the aft spar failed due to the second impact, causing the wing to fail. The other wing, still producing lift, rolled the aircraft onto its back, killing the crew of the FedEx MD-11 freighter in Tokyo. It’s not a trivial thing, this could have easily been an accident had they not gone around when they did.
I'm not a 747 pilot but it looked like too much speed and too much high alpha - did not level out before touchdown???some pilots help me out here please.
I'm sure the pilot and co-pilot will have a letter waiting for them to give up them urine samples...😂
Very scary situation i hope everyone okay 🙏
Wow! That is a very large plane to be bouncing down the runway. I bet the student pilot and flight instructor were scared senseless.
I highly doubt they were scared.
@@JohnnThaGr8 Well maybe not. But that was anything but a smooth landing.
@@groovewithpassiondrumlesso2348smooth? That landing gear got hammered and didn’t break! 😮
Student pilots don’t fly 747, they fly little Cessna 172 your completely wrong. Things like these happen all over the world with some of the best pilots, it’s just a thing that happens.
@@5sTarRAleX53 Okay. Got ya.
Lufthansa: YOUR FIRED 😡. Ryanair: your hired! 😃
Well it made the US National News Tonight Fantastic footage guys 👍👍
Great decision by the flight crew to do the TOGA!
I have an international flight tomorrow. Why is youtube recommending this?
lol
did you fly peacefully?
Raw,live & direct!
Rough indeed.
Luftnasa: You Fured
Ryanair:You Hired
Never thought I would see a 747 do that. I guess every one can have a bad day. Probably not the first,bounce either.
Video being called by a baseball announcer.
Was watching live when you caught that Kevin. Epic!
Lufthansa: YOUR FIRED!
Ryanair: YOUR HIRED
I don't know why but when the aircraft bounced it gave me flashbacks a FedEx flight 80
Because it was a VERY similar sequence of events.
Clear skies and light wind
It almost looks like an eagle touching the water and grabs a fish. Very skillful pilot.
👍
…omg and then you have to do it again😳
Schon heftig, aber vom Piloten dann toll reagiert, hätte auch blöd ausgehen können. Frage ist, warum die Landung so misslungen ist 🤔 Der Anflug sah ja nicht so schlecht aus, etwas unruhig ja, aber das war dann doch nicht zu erwarten. Bitte Titel noch auf 747-8 ändern.
Pilot was the reason it was a hard landing, why is he so brilliant?
And you know that because... @@rogerdean5313
windshear maybe, you can always go around. i cant see a bad landing there.
Frage mich auch was da war, aber mich würde vorallem interessieren ob der Airframe untersucht werden muss, oder ob die Fliehkräfte noch unter dem Minimumwert waren...
Aber ja super recovery!
Either he arrested too late and defended to fast, or stalled bc of a gust. Happens.
I would love to hear the black box on this one.
ATC: coming in a little hot
Pilot: nah, we go this
ATC: please never come back
Nice graphics
I’ve flown on Boeing aircraft 7 times in the last 2 months - ZERO issues, great flights minus some expected turbulence in thunderstorms.
It was the pilots fault not the airplane ✈️
What made it come down so hard. It's difficult to make out but it doesn't look windy. There wasn't much of a flare. Did it just come in too fast. Pilots generally only have one go around a year. I'm interested to know if it was pilot error or the flying conditions.
Looks like pilot error
What caused that rough landing? A pilot has to have that feel that you are part of a plane and just glide smoothly with it. Never carry any personal baggages with you when landing.
I would think that with so much automation that a situation like this would be avoided. I would understand if there were heavy winds but in this case it looked marginal. I don't understand how this could have happened in a modern plane, low wind and in broad daylight.
There could be different reasons: estimated the height above the runway wrong and arrested to late, or a gust stalled the plane.
So. What’s really happened. Please elaborate.
Los pilotos de Lufthansa les faltó gritar: yiiiiiihaaaaaaaa.
“Boeing 737”…wow. That’s so typical…
It’s a 747 guys.
They’re definitely grounding that one for an inspection.
How are the passengers spinal discs?
“ YOU’RE FIRED “ 😂😂
Good thing the news are always there before anything happens to film it😒😒
Imagine the endurance of these landing gears.
and the tires...didn't pop.
0:58 history almost repeating, Fedex Flight 14 and 80
That wasn't you was it @74gear?
Wow. Slow to retract gear and flaps. Back to flight school.
99.8% of this flight was smooth.
Is this the same Kevin who works at Channel 11 KTLA??
Same same but diflant
How did the landing gear & wheels not get damaged. Amazing video, well caught guys
Do they fire or suspend them for such a terrible landing? I'm sure the aircraft has to go through rigorous checks to make sure it doesn't have cracks and broken bolts and whatnot.
Nah bro diversity is our strength
@@jububoobaroo67 😆
The airline declared that it was some sort of instructional flight, and that they will check the airplane once it's back in Frankfurt.
Looked like a tail strike as well
@@lilg2300it was checked before it flew again.
Flaps never came back in till way after landing gear came back in. That doesn’t seem normal.
That must of hurt!
Pilot in command: Hey, we "boinged" once !
The second pilot: Ok, let's try the second "boing"... yeaaahhh ! it works... boing, boing boing boing... Pilot in command: ok pal, let's run away, they will not like our way to land 😮😢😢😢
it looked like he had a perfect landing approach, wow is wright.😢
I saw the flaps wasn’t extended fully.. it was a little delayed
No they were
If I were shopping for a used plane.....
Love the 747s they called in the queen of the sky. I called him the king of the sky. They are definitely mean Machine really a good aircraft no doubt they’ll be doing an airframe examination on that old girl now
This how durable and versatile Boeing planes are built,alien disgusted.
I flew into lax yesterday and saw that happen😮
AI is like, I would have nailed it. You were coming in hard!
HOLY MOLY ! WOW !
It’s the pilot, - Boeing
Obviously it was! Good for them this wasn’t on a 737 max!!
You can actually see the middle of the plane flex
And the landing gear didn’t even feel it 😮
Can someone explain why they wouldn’t just continue with the landing at that point? Why take off again when they’ve presumably decelerated quite a bit?
Unsafe or uncontrolled landings shouldn't be continued , and no they havent decelerated that much
I guess he was landing in a higher speed than it should’ve been!
A Boeing 747 actually weights a lot and should approach a runway at around 270km/h , thus it is going to look fast no matter what.
Your zoomed in way to close. We can’t get a read on the decent because we can’t see the ground until too late.
Why it happened?
Pilot error
That pilot probably got a printout... ☠️
I love Lufthansa service inflight but ALL of their landings are hard and I was told that was because most of their pilots come from aircraft carrier backgrounds so they are used to dropping down at the last minute because they have the tether that stops them but for commercial airlines that's not so comfortable. They need to train or either get pilots that know how to land smoothly by dropping in sooner. I was terrified each time I flew with them at the landings. 😱😱😱
OK, non-pilot here but have landed dozens of times at LAX, often with Lufthansa.
Seems like even thought this was rough, on the second bounce he could have stuck with it and set it down?
What is the protocol for this?
The airline declared that it was some sort of instructional flight, I guess the captain could have recovered and landed it if he was in control. Probably he told the first officer to go around instead.
@@lilg2300 Thanks!👍
I don’t know how long LAX runway is but wouldn’t they have over shot the runway if they would have forced it down? Because clearly they were coming in hot and heavy!
@@jbone765 Hmmm......I've landed there a couple hundred times and it seems with the big birds you taxi a long time before the pilot exits the runway. The thing is, the second bounce was right after the first, which I assume was the original landing plan, so I was thinking there still would be plenty of runway.
@@kendallevans4079better to go around instead of potentially oscillating, which could damage the plane.
Is it risky to pull the gear up after that?
It didn’t appear to be THAT hard, but it was definitely a pretty dang hard landing. That said, there’s always some increased risk after an event like that, hence undoubtedly why the crew delayed the retraction until they had time to assess the situation and decide what the best course of action would be.
That is unfortunate.
Boeing is the best advertising Airbus can imagine
That and shoddy maintenance due to DEI hiring. Aka Affirmative Action
I now know where two former Tiger Air Australia pilots ended up after it shutdown.
Fox and it's crappy oversight. It only takes 30 seconds to fix a title.
95% of American pilots are not better than this German guy, they land like stitting horse in the coutryside. God grace is they only one saver here.
I wonder how many passengers protested the "do-over"?
didn't know there was like a sports station for airplane landings.
1st day at the job be like…
Infact the airline declared that it was some sort of instructional flight.
I was about to say, "You gotta handed to them Germans, they build great commercial airliners." but, it is a Boeing. I think only like two countries manufacture planes, the US and France and during the Cold War, the former Soviet Union also manufactured their own.
It's what the aircraft was designed to be able to do.
Altitude, perhaps GPS digital data not accurate?
Only thing I can think of is landing wheel not turning before it lands!
Good choice. If something is out of norm, just hit toga (take off/go around) & try again. Maintenance will inspect the gear that's probably fine just as a precaution and move on.
It looks like there was a pretty serious crosswind
Best decision. Good pilots!
Скорость посадки была высокой , удар хороший стоек шасси об полосу пилоты проморгали по сути.
Yup
DEIs best crew.
Former ryanair pilot upgraded to 747.
I wonder what brand name fuel they use? Isn't the Ac conductor right there where he bounced? Freon all over the runway could be a environmental hazard
fired.....
Is that a DEI pilot?
Lol. Fresh Somali pilots for DEI POINTS.
What exactly is your version of DEI? Person of color? A woman? Because either of those can be qualified and good at what they do. I hate how every time something happens its automatically labelled DEI.
@LeeDfined I ask if it's a DEI hire because that would be someone who was not hired primarily for their qualifications. A more qualified person may have not gotten the job based on race or gender.
Landed in Newark on a Lufthansa 747 a month ago and the pilot slammed it onto the runway. Hardest landing I can remember.
female friend(from Netherlands) flies jumbo & She's an excellent pilot
Wow!
I wonder if one set of tires did not come all the way down, on the right side.
They don’t build the new ones like theses ones a newer one would probably be a wreck