Indeed. Exciting times they were. AMD won, followed closely by INTEL with a paper launch (no real stock available) and so I went with AMD. But the multi-core era (first dual cores and then quads) was pretty exciting for me as well. And now I find it incredible to think we have gone from 1ghz single core CPUs to the 16 core 32 thread 4ghz+ behemoths (on the desktop) that we have today. I can't deny, I still get excited. EDIT: My first PC was a 386 SX 33mhz
I know, and to think they talking about 10 and 20 Ghz within a few years at that time, and it just never happened, not that multiple cores and hyperthreading was foreseen, funny how things pan out, I'm so jealous of you younger guys, what you will see, I am 55 with shitty health, so I don't think I will live to see time travel, teleportation and flying cars, lol.
Thanks for vid Phil. I know how time consuming it must be to put together a build and make a vid out of it. But as a retro lover myself, I love seeing old hardware put to purpose. Got a few retro systems myself (always better than emulation) and for anyone learning and wanting to do the same, this is the place to come.
Great video thank you it is always nice to see the older tech in action. I used to have a Pentium III Tualatin 1.4 ghz that OC'ed to 1.6GHz which for it's time was pretty fast and creamed the P4's that replaced these P3's. I think if memory serves me right I had a ATI Radeon 9700 card in this system in 2002 and it also supported DX9. Yep those were good times and things were so much simpler back then to deal with.
@@philscomputerlab I picked up an extremely rare ATX-form factor Socket 7 motherboard in pristine condition. Gonna put it into a modern case I picked up with tempered glass and RGB. Retro Gamin in style!
@@MarcoGPUtuber Aren't you the one living in Taiwan or something? Way easier to do retro PCs there. I just have to get lucky to see a Pentium 3 for sale.
@@Seatux That's right. But it's actually harder to do retro PCs here than it was in Commonwealth countries like Canada, where I'm from and Australia. Taiwan doesn't really have a retro scene. Old parts are often tossed or sent to efficient recycling centres to retrieve the gold. Old games are largely in English or Japanese and despite Chinese being the largest language in the world, China's restrictiveness and laws made sure that Taiwan was the only one speaking Chinese in the world of Gaming. Taiwan is also included as part of Japan as NTSC-J where China has its own region for everything due to strict censorship laws. Taiwan didn't become developed and rich until the late 1990s. It is possible to find retro parts but in the 1990s, few had a computer and you'll almost never find an 80s machine. Offices had PCs and you know how offices are with tossing their old stuff. It's not impossible, but I was getting a lot more legit retro stuff back in Canada. The west is the best for retro hardware.
Dunno how rare they are, I have about a dozen here, including a couple Tyan boards. Some have AGP. Some swing both ways (can use both AT and ATX power, and both SDRAM and SIMMs). But it's a nice reliable class of board, and most will handle K6-2 (usually up to 450MHz) as well as Pentium MMX (tho if you do anything math-intensive, the 233MHz Pentium will run rings around the 450MHz K6-2 -- if you don't believe me, try running the Windows "Tubes" screensaver on both). The main drawback is that they usually max out at 256mb RAM, not that you usually need more. About as nice as you can get for an early-type gaming machine (tho can be overwhelmed by big DOOM maps). Oh, and usually you have to set jumpers for CPU voltage and frequency, and sometimes for RAM voltage too! Boy, I don't miss that part of the old days.
I always prefer the retro content. The DOS and Win 95/98 content is what made me sub to your channel. There's thousands of channels doing modern content but that's just my opinion. You always do such awesome content Phil. Really appreciate your videos! :)
The 90s was the Golden Age of PC gaming. Especially from 1996-2000. So many good titles, and hardware innovation was epic! At that time we went from a Pentium 200 MHz to an Athlon 1.4 GHz, plus real 3D accelerated graphics and AA processing. What has happened during the last 4 years? Most exciting is 8-Core CPUs has gone Way down in price! 20 years ago we could game with less than 100W usage and have a blast. Today our 300W+ usage on our high-end gaming rig is best used during the winter (and do we really have a better gaming experience?) ;)
My first config had a Sound Blaster AWE 64 ISA sound card. In the volume settings under the Special button there was two magical slider "Bass" and "Treble" I think... I can't explain, but these two slider made my ears melt. When I set the sliders to max, it sounded very very good. When I try to do something similar with a mixing pad or something it's just makes certain frequancies louder and overshadows the other parts. While my soundcard highlighted those frequancies and the music sounded more clear actually. I miss the good hardware sound...
Man this bring back memories.When i upgraded to my P4 i had my P3 lying around.My friend made me a bet that it is scientific impossible to run elder scrolls 4 oblivion on a P3.I had to make him eat his words.The cpu was slot A 833mhz.They were not known for being good overclocker.So i took the stock heatsink off and mounted the biggest heatsink i could find with a huge ass fan.The heatsink was so big i had to lay my pc down cause it would pull the cpu out.I did all the chipset with heat sinks.I clocked her just over 1ghz.He said i should run it not on what specs.So i ran it at 640x480 low to medium and got around 30ish fps.Not bad for a P3 :D.Man the shit i did just to shut people up lol. Now im old i build pc's but no custom jobs anymore
Old guy here that doesn't like to comment often. I enjoy all of your videos, no complaints here. I've built a machine using various parts you recommended over the years (asrock board with LGA 775 and AGP, Celeron 450, radeon 9600 pro, and one of those "Cobra" sound cards for the good DOS support - setmul lets me play even my old favorites - also got a vortex 2 and an Audigy 2 ZS to play with). Keep up the great content, modern or retro, and I'll be watching every week. One request: an updated video on which monitors are worth pursuing? Short of hunting down CRTs (I keep getting them with blown caps) I'd like to have some idea which LCD screens are better at scaling low res DOS games. I hate stretching!
Thanks :D Good value option are old 5:4 monitors. They are still being made brand new also. BUT 4:3 and 5:4 there is a bit of vertical stretching on the 5:4 monitor, but it's subtle.
thanks for this great retro video :-) I would love to see detailed soundcard reviews again. It is a great journey to investigate old cards with you, cards which we or i cant afford or doesnt even know back in the old days. Keep going your awesome vids, best regards, Axel
Phil! These retro builds (DOS, 98, XP) are the best videos on Phil’s Computer Lab hands down. Not to mention that’s what you are known for - a legend in the scene as far as I’m concerned. Retro computer gamers have a lot to thank you for. I personally have learned nearly EVERYTHING I know from watching your videos. Keep these retro videos coming - they are loved and will continue to be loved decades from now. Thanks again for being a leader in the scene.
I had a Celeron in my first build ever. It was a slot style AOpen motherboard, but a socket style processor. I used a daughter board called a Slotket that fit into the slot and allowed for installation of the socket CPU.
I got a Patriot laptop a while ago with a 1.3 Tualatin 512k and desktop memory. Was absolutely insane in comparison to a lot of modern machines at the time.
Your 4K output is great, it's so clear that when you were showing the BIOS and Windows install screens, it looked like it was being produced by my own PC, love the funky wipes too.
I could watch these retro builds to no end, so I really appreciate when you redo old videos but with a tweak here and there or only a slight improvement. Here a little story for maybe some video ideas: So what I did was going backwards with my projects, meaning I started with ddr2 because my latest build is a maxed out ddr3 system, so I build the fastest ddr2 build with Intel possible. Your videos about the modded Xeons inspired me to do that. So I got the ultimate Asus Board, one of the Xeons, a ssd, gamer ram, noctua fans etc. All the shit I couldn't afford back then, for literally peanuts. And I made different benchmarks with different videocards up to my fastest the 1080ti. And now I am working on the fastest xp build. So a dual core 64 bit on socket 939 with the famous Asrock 939 dual board I got back in the day and had still in a box somewhere but I did not have the fastest cpu, now I do :) . You also featured this board in a video. I also got all the best cards from back in the day, around 2006/07. And I want to do every system twice of each Era one with Intel and one with AMD and make benchmarks with different graphics card's and let them compete. I find that really entertaining. You inspired me to do all of that. I got a lot of stuff in the last few years, learned soldering and had a lot of fun and I am far frome done! I want to go back all the way to socket 1, because that's when I started gaming on pc, around 1998. So I would really like to see another series about the ultimate systems possible, optimized for gaming, moving backwards from ddr3 with Intel and AMD. Optimizing everything to the max with SSds, the best 4/3 Monitors and making everything the quiet, compact and/or good looking as possible. But also giving options like you did in your Xeon modding series. I did not end up buying the latest and greatest and most expensive cpu but the valueking you proposed and I was able to overclock the heck out of it because of my kickass Asus board and it's lower tdp. And now it is faster then the latest and greatest. Never would have thought about that option without your charts and Infos. My ddr2 system now runs windows 7 with the msi gtx 580 lightning 3gb edition and I play games on it like witcher 1, everything from around 2008 to 2012. I want to own one day a kick ass setup from Intel and AMD next to each other hooked up to the same monitor for every good windows version. I extra cleared a room in my house for that.... My wife was thrilled xD.... So may be this got you some inspiration. Oh and if you need cheap parts, because it seems that getting parts in Australia is really expensive. I live in Germany and the used market for example on apps like eBay Kleinanzeigen is full with cheap parts, and way cheaper than everything you are buying. You are paying at least 50% plus shipping more for your parts then I do here. And sometimes even more. So if you would need something or can't find it, you can contact me anytime and I will check if I can get the parts here and send them to you. I was really surprised in the beginning how much less I was paying then you for the same parts or I had no problems getting parts you mentioned but you could not get at all or for a reasonable price. OK that's it. Thanks a lot and keep up the good work.
It really is a fun hobby :D Another benefit of going with older gear is that everything is patched, works reliably, motherboards are on 2nd or 3rd revision...
Another very enjoyable video, Phil. I appreciate your comments at the end and I suppose older (!) subscribers may not comment as much, resulting in a slight skew of the data. For the record then; myself, and doubtless many others, really like the older 90s/early 00s builds and reviews you do. Even if the viewer stats aren’t as impressive, the content is brilliant and it’s our passion just like it is yours. 👍 Hopefully making these retro videos doesn’t wear too thin for you over time, because it would be a real loss the the channel/community if they took a back seat to the newer hardware. As a side, I just picked up a Terratec Sonicxplosion (basically the same card as the Turtle Beach) and will now have another play around with it!
Found your channel through OZ, you should give him a shout back. Any way, growing up my highschool friends dad had a Pentium III 650mhz OC'd to something crazy using a Cryotech case w/ a refrigerant system in the basement of the case. I remember it being the coolest things since sliced bread.
Regarding power usage/idle time. Run apps on Windows 98 such as "rain", "cpuidle", or "waterfall pro" to drop idle power consumption/heat. Windows 2000 or XP and up do this automatically.
Hello there! As you requested, here are my thoughts: I love this kind of videos with retro hardware and they are the reason I watch your videos. Please keep going, there is many ppl like me who enjoy retro hardware.
I bought that in the 733 mhz version in 2000, and if I remember correctly with 256 MB RAM and a nvidia geforce 2 gts with 32 MB memory. A beast of a computer 😎
@@si4632 The original xbox is pentium 3 733 with 64mo of ram and a graphic card between geforce3 and 4 in term of power. Late 2001/ beginning 2002 game console. At this time pc processors ran at 1.5ghz.
Good stuff. I can't wait until spring & I can get to all my retro stuff. Going to do an inventory of what I have & maybe even sell some things, I have a lot of Piii Era stuff.
I love the retro stuff! I got a complete old pc second-hand that happens to have this same CPU/GPU combination, plus a SB Live. Works great for those late 90s to very-early-2000s games!
Yeah, if you've been away from 'em for a while, it takes some remembering all the cranks and quirks, and boy howdy, some of 'em were cranky. We've been spoiled by hardware that auto-detects and auto-configures everything, but go back to these old boards and you'd better have the jumper settings correct if you want it to work; most had no autodetect and no overvoltage control, and would cook a CPU that expected lower power. And the AMD CPUs of the day could overheat to death in under 30 seconds, from ice cold to brown and crispy, that fast (no overheat protection at all. Even very old Intels would turn off, but AMDs would fry.) Not to mention all the different types of RAM and voltage, not always reliably marked by slot type or slot keys, and no SPD in those days. It was sure nice when everyone got in the habit of printing the jumper options right on the board. Not like the old adapter cards where if you didn't have the jumper docs, you were SOL, especially when they had big blocks of multiple jumpers.
Great vid, nice to see more retro stuff here! I'd love to see more sound card reviews - one I'm particularly interested in is for the Compaq Business Wavetable Sound Card. It uses a similar ES1869 chip to the one in your ESS AudioDrive video, but also includes a rather obscure ES692S chip for wavetable synthesis. It's a very similar setup to what I have in my Compaq Armada 7800, which I've been very impressed with the general MIDI quality on.
This is the type of video that I enjoy most from you. I love the retro and Pentuim 3 was a my second favorite period (Dx4100 486/early pentium being my all time fav). Please keep up the good work sir. Love your videos.
Phil, regarding the high power usage during idle - what you said about the CPU not throttling down is true, however there’s another factor causing this. Win9x doesn’t issue the CPU a HLT instruction when idle like WinNT-based OS do. There are programs to enable this however. This is a good reference that compares them: www.benchtest.com/cooler.html
Back in the days I loved my Pentium III with Intel BX chipset and I still do. I have used it as my daily driver for years and today it is my retro build. My setup is: ASUS P2B-F, Pentium III 1Ghz, 512MB Ram, 40GB Seagate HDD with 7200 rpm, Geforce 4 TI4600, Soundblaster Live, 3Com PCI network card, DVD-Rom and CD-RW. Thanks for your videos and best wishes from Germany!
great video, its given me a push to build an old system and im very lucky i guess to have kept about a dozen mobos and processors as well as boxes and boxes of old cards..thanks
Back in the day I upgraded from a celery 433 to a PIII 1000EB, with the 133MHz FSB, and it made a huge difference to the performance! It'd be interesting to see how a 133MHz FSB compares to the 100MHz one shown in the video. I suspect it won't make a huge difference, probably a few FPS here and there. Going from 100MHz to 133MHz RAM might make a difference in memory-intensive applications, but I don't think games benefited that much from higher memory speed.
Love the retro hardware vids!!. What I want to see you do is the different 486 upgrade chips. The pentium over drive 83 , vs the amd 133, vs the cyrix 5x86 133 which supposedly had some Pentium features. Sorry that my comment makes the perfect 486 comments 487
Love the retro content. Really interesting to see how the hard drive was used. Any reason to not use an ssd with that ide adapter? Keep up the good work.
At the time in 2002, I wanted to own this processor and never found only 750MHz version. The mainboard was a Tekram with i440bx chipset. Glad to see this video.
I totally prefer your retro PC content, all the socket 7, Super 7, Slot 1, socket 370 up to socket 462 and 478 stuff, as well as the period correct graphic and sound cards. But as a suggestion for a future video, if you happen to have some AM1 platform parts around, it could be interesting to test them as an inexpensive Windows 98/XP era retro machine. Maybe also (why not) to test how far it can be pushed in regards to relatively more recent titles (Windows 7 era). Have a wonderful weekend! Greetings from Uruguay.
AM1 or FM1, I believe I did a video on one of these platforms! It was ok for Windows XP, but I do want to look at some newer FM2 APUs and if they are good enough for a GPU-less XP Gaming PC.
If I recall properly you did a video about the FM1 platform, not the AM1 (which is a more energy efficient oriented one). I do own an HTPC FM2 based system and its IGP is fairly decent. But never tried it as an IGP only retro system, that could also be an interesting video to watch
One of my favorite accomplishments from this era was overclocking my Pentium III 700 MHz CPU to 933 MHz. It ran stably at that speed for 2 more years before selling it.
Great as always, I just build a machine with Celeron 433, Riva TNT2-M64 on ECS P6BAT-A+ mainboard and I use also 98SE there. I even ran there for some time S3VirgeDX, SiS6326. SiS6326 have some weird colors in some dos games like I saw on Matrox cards.
Hi Phil! Love your videos and have been watching all of them for quite some time. I'm missing some old portables on your videos. I just bought a Toshiba Libretto 70CT (120MHz Pentium MMX) and will overclock it to 200MHz and was wondering if you'll ever make a review of it. Thanks and keep doing the great job you've always been doing. Cheers from Brazil!
Great to see a new retro related video. Never tried a Turtle Beach soundcard either, but I do remember the days when that name was synonymous with super high-end. Turtle Beach Multisound and such. It's kind of sad to see how far they've fallen over the years. Today, gaming headphones... Back in the day, studio grade sound cards with lots of insane hardware on them (FPGA chips, Motorola MC68000 and more).
Great video Phil! I also have great respect for Intel 440BX chip-set - the best Slot 1 platform. Maybe you can do a future video with this platform and 133FSB processors: stability, compatibility with video cards and performance relative to 100FSB at the same frequency. As a side note I got 2 Radeons 9250 and the funny thing I don't know how I got them!
Great video as always Phil! Have you ever thought about making a Windows Vista "retro" PC? I always wanted to build something totally overkill from that era with several GPUs in crossfire/SLI.
I think it's great to get this true retro content every now and again Phil, keeps things changed up and atm I've been watching alot of ur older win98 videos to help with an IBM T42 Thinkpad, mainly drivers and how to actually use win98 and msdos (I haven't used either since I was about 12 years old lol- edited coz I just did the math lol)
Also: any recommendations on which OPL3LPT to buy? Seems like there's a lot of clones and I'm not sure what to get, mainly need it for a thinclient and the aforementioned IBM T42 for dos sound! If u happen to know a way to get a usb mouse working in msdos I wud be indebted to u!!
I've got the same motherboard and 133 FSB version of that CPU. Great combo. But there is something annnoying in your build: Why using a 2TB Hibrid disk and downgraded to 32GB, if you can easily use a 128GB SSD?
Since you asked for feedback. What I'd like to see more of is games outside of the 10 biggest and most useful for benchmarking (doom, quake etc) running on period minimum, recomended and lastly actually decent hardware. There's two ways to go with this; one is to have something like a k6-II+ that you can dial down to whatever speed, the other is to invert the process and find games that suit the system you have chosen instead of suiting the system to the games. Then you can bang out like 50 games for each system before you move on to the next system. I also think you'd want to start with a 486DX2-66, pentium mmx 166 and 386DX-40 if you go this route; those were so unbelievably common systems there is no trouble finding games targeted to those. It is also a good idea to not just run 20 second snippets but actually play a few minutes on each system so you get a whole video out of each game. You can ask your viewers but there are lots of fondly remembered games that are never played on this channel because it focuses more narrowly on the hardware side of things and only on the minimum set of games required for a decent benchmark which neglects a long line of games which are fondly remembered but not so industry defining as Doom, e.g. Daggerfall, Duke 3D, Magic carpet, frontier - first encounters ("elite 3" basically) and Strife. This will also have the side effect of you having to play old unintuitive DOS games that you maybe didn't grow up with and that's a good thing; it is impossible to see an old unintuitive DOS game that you've played way too much with fresh eyes unless you see someone else play it.
Love the classic P3 win 98 content. Reminds me of my celaron 533mhz I had back then. Told myself I would never buy another celaron as I had so many issues with it.
I've got a Compaq with a Celeron 933MHz with a broken die, and I bought a good Pentium 3 1000MHz socket370 CPU + 2x 256SDR 133, video FX-5200 on PCI (no AGP slot), 80GB Samsung HDD. I installed Windows 2000 + Microsoft Visual J++ (you need to install it before the service packs, otherwise it gives errors, it was meant for Windows 98), all the updates including IE 6.1 SP1, Microsoft Visual Studio 2005, Eclipse 4.20 (+3.42), Firefox 12 and Opera 12, and other software as DirectX 9.0C from 2005, D-Lite 4.35, Winamp 5.2. Great for doing basic programming stuff. It can run older software, but still VS2005 seems great to do C and C++ stuff, and VB6 for who needs. Windows 2000 is pretty good. It is stable and fast. This is how it looks: qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9e9beaa52a5d2b45caefb0cacaec1252
I like restoring old machines, say from the trash, fixing the boards and bringing them back to life. May i sugest finding trash boards and trying to fix them? not sure how good are you are electronics/soldering so as to recap boards and cards and general troubleshooting
My 1GHz P3 system was a Coppermine S370 setup. Think it was on a Microstar 815E board. Only issue with 815 was it could only take a max of 512MB of RAM but that wasn't an issue then. The 440BX was legendary but newer boards could do AGP 8X with fastwrites/ sideband addressing and of course 133Mhz FSB chips.
Slot 1 adapter cards can be really cranky. Some work with anything, some only like certain CPUs or only support 66MHz bus. But when they work, it's a great option. -- In my Closet I have a dual slot 1 board that's quite fast for the day and supports up to 1GHz... thinking about finding it max speed CPUs and resurrecting it, good options here, I like that sound card being able to handle DOS games. (I have a bunch of these boards but that one is notably faster.) Be aware that FAT32 is unstable for partitions over 32GB; this is a known data wrapping bug that used to be documented on Microsoft's Knowledge Base. It looks like a failed HD if you're not aware what's going on, as once you get over 32GB of data on the drive, files start randomly disappearing.
G'day Phil, I am more interested in XP as a Retro Platform for gaming, but I still find older Machines & Software interesting, so watching these videos are enjoyable & definitely better than what is on 😁
Great video, Phil. I love these old machines. I just dug an old Tyan dual P3 Tiger 230t out of the closet and put it together. It's a dual processor rig with 896MB of ram, but should run Win98 on a single CPU w/ no problem. Now I'm off to find drivers lol. Hopefully they exist for Win98. Cheers!
For 98, stick with 512GB of RAM or 256! Chipset drivers are available on my website. The other drivers, well it can take a bit of hunting onlline. You can use XP or Linux do itentify components, or use a magnifier to check the chips on the board. Audio, ethernet and all of that.
@@philscomputerlab I have been reading that too much ram in WFW3.11 and Win98 can cause lots of weird problems. Have you had anything like that happen? I'll head over to your website and look for drivers. I think this board has the Apollo Pro133A chipset in it. Thanks for responding too, btw!
I never owned a slot 1Ghz, but had plenty of FPGA 1Ghz machines back in the day. But I did have a bunch of dual CPU P3 550 slot machines by Dell. Huge cases, amazingly well built, toolless design internals and onboard SCSI. Those were awesome machines. Came with Viper V770's (TNT2 Ultras) and a second SCSI adapter card and each machine I had came with two Quantum SCSI HD's. I kept a few of them for a couple of years and remember having the chance to upgrade them to 700Mhz dual SLOT CPU's, but by that time flipchips were far easier to get and I ended up selling the Dell's (except one).
Hello Phil! Ive acquired a few retro parts/machines! One being a slot 1 motherboard with parts, and a dell dimension 4100. Ive watched this video tons of times but i always have issues finding correct drivers for my system! And get tons of errors as well.
Awesome stuff. Slot CPUs are something special and very easy to setup. My only critique would be that if you are only going to use 32GB out of a 2TB HDD, might as well use a cheap 32GB SSD.
ahhh This brings back memories as I had the exact same CPU yes it was the slot 1 version as it was hard to find back then for when I went to college and had it for over 5 years until 2008 I played and finished so many classic games on it despite having a shitty GPU for so long, I played and finished RE4 on 256MB 100mhz SDR ram and a 64mb Geforce 2 and it ran like shit 25 to 30 fps on most parts but ran less than 20 in some parts on an 800x600 resolution gaming like a pauper those were the days.
Excellent video! I love these older slot 1 Pentium III systems! It's such a shame that the 1GHz slot 1 Pentium III cards are so expensive. I've been trying to find one for years now but they are all insanely expensive! I was searching eBay earlier and the cheapest I could find was selling for $300.00! I'm guessing there weren't very many of these produced since most CPUs had moved on to the 133MHz system speed by then. I have been able to find the Socket 370 versions of the 1GHz with 100MHz FSB for around $25.00 and am wondering if I could use one in a slot 1 motherboard with one of those adapter cards?
Yes, of course you can use it with a so called Slotket. Btw my feeling is that the Socket 370 1000 MHz/100 MHz FSB PIII is more rare than the equivalent Slot 1 PIII.
10:33 Enabling DMA mode! I’d never even heard about that option until I got Vice City on day of release, rushed home all excited and found that the gameplay was all choppy! A quick google suggested I turn on DMA and then Vice City was buttery smooth 😗
Hey man, nice video. The maximum drive size for Windows 98 SE is 127GB or something like that. Maybe you left a lot of bytes on the table when you set it to 32 GB when you have 200 GB available. Keep it up!
Currently still waiting on my flash memory for my T5710, but i do have a concept i might build in the future if the hobby stay this fun. Which is the ultimate time-machine concept, i was thinking Athlon64 (Especially since my dad's gaming PC i grew up on had one) but it would be interesting seeing what components would be best suited for such a build which would essentially translate to the fastest rig you can get away with with maximum dos compatibility and slowdown techniques. This turtle beach doesn't seem as interesting as the still availible yamaha ymf744 card you showed, given similar Windows 98 compatibility but way nicer sounding dos compatibility with the wavetable midi support in Windows and the OPL3 sound in Dos.
The first PC that I built by myself had this processor with 256 mb ram and a GeForce 2 graphics card and originally had Windows ME on it. That I built in early 2001. I then upgraded it to Windows XP before selling it in 2003.
Hello, Phil. Nice video, what is that connector on the sound card used for a bracket with some IO or for something similar to a Live Drive. Where would you put that video card performance compared to older/newer cards? Thanks.
In 2007 I rescued an HP Kayak dual-slot PIII workstation headed for the dumpster at work and upgraded it with two 1000MHz CPUs like the ones in this video, you could get them on eBay for like $8 each. I ran a small Linux server from it and left it at my parent's house. Sadly, a few years later they moved and I didn't have room - at the time you couldn't give Win98 era hardware way, so I believe I said "throw it out." I regret it now!
The race to 1ghz was such an exciting time. Hasn't been anything that's had me so interested in hardware since.
Indeed. Exciting times they were. AMD won, followed closely by INTEL with a paper launch (no real stock available) and so I went with AMD. But the multi-core era (first dual cores and then quads) was pretty exciting for me as well. And now I find it incredible to think we have gone from 1ghz single core CPUs to the 16 core 32 thread 4ghz+ behemoths (on the desktop) that we have today. I can't deny, I still get excited. EDIT: My first PC was a 386 SX 33mhz
I know, and to think they talking about 10 and 20 Ghz within a few years at that time, and it just never happened, not that multiple cores and hyperthreading was foreseen, funny how things pan out, I'm so jealous of you younger guys, what you will see, I am 55 with shitty health, so I don't think I will live to see time travel, teleportation and flying cars, lol.
Now it's the race to 1000 cores! Nowhere near as exciting. :(
@@tobiaspedersen5427 yeah you could easily use a core 2 quad to browse the web stuff
Yeah, that is insane, and to think that just 2-3 years before that, they were selling 83 MHz Pentium overdrive
I really like how old BIOSes look, so clean ...
LOL so true. These days, spinning fan animations and weird UI
@@philscomputerlab Yep, socket 1366, AM3 & 1156,1155 was probably among the last before UEFI was starting too get used more commonly.
You can choose classic view in UEFI at least in Gigabytes's mobos(I used 3 only Giga mobos with UEFI). It also looks very clean.
Have you ever seen the old bios on IBM Thinkpads? The cursor was a bird!
My bios on my current pc looks like this, award bios. :)
Remember how exciting sound and graphics cards were back then?
Thanks for vid Phil. I know how time consuming it must be to put together a build and make a vid out of it. But as a retro lover myself, I love seeing old hardware put to purpose. Got a few retro systems myself (always better than emulation) and for anyone learning and wanting to do the same, this is the place to come.
I miss slot CPUs, it felt like you were getting more for your money
I could watch such videos all day. I really like the PC tech. from 1998-2002. The technology was improving so fast at that time.
Great video thank you it is always nice to see the older tech in action. I used to have a Pentium III Tualatin 1.4 ghz that OC'ed to 1.6GHz which for it's time was pretty fast and creamed the P4's that replaced these P3's. I think if memory serves me right I had a ATI Radeon 9700 card in this system in 2002 and it also supported DX9. Yep those were good times and things were so much simpler back then to deal with.
How are you still not at 1 mil subs great content
if you ask portuguese people about this, they'd tell like "91 mil". so, he went way further than "1 mil" at some regions (^_^)
Sadly not many interested in old PCs like us 😯
If there was a retro hall of fame, Phil would have his own shrine. Thank you for helping many us rediscover our old joys!
My Pentium III 1000 build is paired with Voodoo5. What a beast!
That's gotta be one of the cleanest and newest-looking Pentium III motherboard. Sexy!
Yea I do look after my precious parts :D
@@philscomputerlab I picked up an extremely rare ATX-form factor Socket 7 motherboard in pristine condition. Gonna put it into a modern case I picked up with tempered glass and RGB. Retro Gamin in style!
@@MarcoGPUtuber Aren't you the one living in Taiwan or something? Way easier to do retro PCs there. I just have to get lucky to see a Pentium 3 for sale.
@@Seatux That's right. But it's actually harder to do retro PCs here than it was in Commonwealth countries like Canada, where I'm from and Australia. Taiwan doesn't really have a retro scene. Old parts are often tossed or sent to efficient recycling centres to retrieve the gold. Old games are largely in English or Japanese and despite Chinese being the largest language in the world, China's restrictiveness and laws made sure that Taiwan was the only one speaking Chinese in the world of Gaming. Taiwan is also included as part of Japan as NTSC-J where China has its own region for everything due to strict censorship laws. Taiwan didn't become developed and rich until the late 1990s. It is possible to find retro parts but in the 1990s, few had a computer and you'll almost never find an 80s machine. Offices had PCs and you know how offices are with tossing their old stuff. It's not impossible, but I was getting a lot more legit retro stuff back in Canada. The west is the best for retro hardware.
Dunno how rare they are, I have about a dozen here, including a couple Tyan boards. Some have AGP. Some swing both ways (can use both AT and ATX power, and both SDRAM and SIMMs). But it's a nice reliable class of board, and most will handle K6-2 (usually up to 450MHz) as well as Pentium MMX (tho if you do anything math-intensive, the 233MHz Pentium will run rings around the 450MHz K6-2 -- if you don't believe me, try running the Windows "Tubes" screensaver on both). The main drawback is that they usually max out at 256mb RAM, not that you usually need more. About as nice as you can get for an early-type gaming machine (tho can be overwhelmed by big DOOM maps). Oh, and usually you have to set jumpers for CPU voltage and frequency, and sometimes for RAM voltage too! Boy, I don't miss that part of the old days.
I always prefer the retro content. The DOS and Win 95/98 content is what made me sub to your channel. There's thousands of channels doing modern content but that's just my opinion. You always do such awesome content Phil. Really appreciate your videos! :)
Thanks for the feedback!
Awww yeah, Phil is back with the content I actually subscribe for! Nice.
XanCrews i too, love these pentium2/3/4 videos
Sleep? Nah, Phil posted!
The 90s was the Golden Age of PC gaming. Especially from 1996-2000. So many good titles, and hardware innovation was epic! At that time we went from a Pentium 200 MHz to an Athlon 1.4 GHz, plus real 3D accelerated graphics and AA processing. What has happened during the last 4 years? Most exciting is 8-Core CPUs has gone Way down in price!
20 years ago we could game with less than 100W usage and have a blast. Today our 300W+ usage on our high-end gaming rig is best used during the winter (and do we really have a better gaming experience?) ;)
My first config had a Sound Blaster AWE 64 ISA sound card. In the volume settings under the Special button there was two magical slider "Bass" and "Treble" I think... I can't explain, but these two slider made my ears melt. When I set the sliders to max, it sounded very very good. When I try to do something similar with a mixing pad or something it's just makes certain frequancies louder and overshadows the other parts. While my soundcard highlighted those frequancies and the music sounded more clear actually.
I miss the good hardware sound...
Man this bring back memories.When i upgraded to my P4 i had my P3 lying around.My friend made me a bet that it is scientific impossible to run elder scrolls 4 oblivion on a P3.I had to make him eat his words.The cpu was slot A 833mhz.They were not known for being good overclocker.So i took the stock heatsink off and mounted the biggest heatsink i could find with a huge ass fan.The heatsink was so big i had to lay my pc down cause it would pull the cpu out.I did all the chipset with heat sinks.I clocked her just over 1ghz.He said i should run it not on what specs.So i ran it at 640x480 low to medium and got around 30ish fps.Not bad for a P3 :D.Man the shit i did just to shut people up lol.
Now im old i build pc's but no custom jobs anymore
Pentiums used Slot 1; the original Athlons used Slot A
Pulls out P3 Xeon dual processor motherboard, hold my beer.
Old guy here that doesn't like to comment often. I enjoy all of your videos, no complaints here. I've built a machine using various parts you recommended over the years (asrock board with LGA 775 and AGP, Celeron 450, radeon 9600 pro, and one of those "Cobra" sound cards for the good DOS support - setmul lets me play even my old favorites - also got a vortex 2 and an Audigy 2 ZS to play with). Keep up the great content, modern or retro, and I'll be watching every week. One request: an updated video on which monitors are worth pursuing? Short of hunting down CRTs (I keep getting them with blown caps) I'd like to have some idea which LCD screens are better at scaling low res DOS games. I hate stretching!
Thanks :D Good value option are old 5:4 monitors. They are still being made brand new also. BUT 4:3 and 5:4 there is a bit of vertical stretching on the 5:4 monitor, but it's subtle.
Thanks a lot Phil, and yes, this is exactly what I like - retro stuff below 1ghz, and of course everything with soundcards :-)
thanks for this great retro video :-) I would love to see detailed soundcard reviews again. It is a great journey to investigate old cards with you, cards which we or i cant afford or doesnt even know back in the old days. Keep going your awesome vids, best regards, Axel
Phil! These retro builds (DOS, 98, XP) are the best videos on Phil’s Computer Lab hands down. Not to mention that’s what you are known for - a legend in the scene as far as I’m concerned. Retro computer gamers have a lot to thank you for. I personally have learned nearly EVERYTHING I know from watching your videos. Keep these retro videos coming - they are loved and will continue to be loved decades from now. Thanks again for being a leader in the scene.
Thanks for the kind words!!
I loved my 1000Mhz Pentium 3, it was a socketed version iirc. It held up strong against the frist Pentium 4 chips!
I had a Celeron in my first build ever. It was a slot style AOpen motherboard, but a socket style processor. I used a daughter board called a Slotket that fit into the slot and allowed for installation of the socket CPU.
I got a Patriot laptop a while ago with a 1.3 Tualatin 512k and desktop memory. Was absolutely insane in comparison to a lot of modern machines at the time.
That was getting up into really slick P3 ... yep, for a while they outperformed the P4, sometimes by a wide margin!
@@theakh4238 did you have the one with jumpers so you could get the celery to over clock and play with FSB and multipliers ?
Your 4K output is great, it's so clear that when you were showing the BIOS and Windows install screens, it looked like it was being produced by my own PC, love the funky wipes too.
I could watch these retro builds to no end, so I really appreciate when you redo old videos but with a tweak here and there or only a slight improvement. Here a little story for maybe some video ideas: So what I did was going backwards with my projects, meaning I started with ddr2 because my latest build is a maxed out ddr3 system, so I build the fastest ddr2 build with Intel possible. Your videos about the modded Xeons inspired me to do that. So I got the ultimate Asus Board, one of the Xeons, a ssd, gamer ram, noctua fans etc. All the shit I couldn't afford back then, for literally peanuts. And I made different benchmarks with different videocards up to my fastest the 1080ti. And now I am working on the fastest xp build. So a dual core 64 bit on socket 939 with the famous Asrock 939 dual board I got back in the day and had still in a box somewhere but I did not have the fastest cpu, now I do :) . You also featured this board in a video. I also got all the best cards from back in the day, around 2006/07. And I want to do every system twice of each Era one with Intel and one with AMD and make benchmarks with
different graphics card's and let them compete. I find that really entertaining. You inspired me to do all of that. I got a lot of stuff in the last few years, learned soldering and had a lot of fun and I am far frome done! I want to go back all the way to socket 1, because that's when I started gaming on pc, around 1998. So I would really like to see another series about the ultimate systems possible, optimized for gaming, moving backwards from ddr3 with Intel and AMD. Optimizing everything to the max with SSds, the best 4/3 Monitors and making everything the quiet, compact and/or good looking as possible. But also giving options like you did in your Xeon modding series. I did not end up buying the latest and greatest and most expensive cpu but the valueking you proposed and I was able to overclock the heck out of it because of my kickass Asus board and it's lower tdp. And now it is faster then the latest and greatest. Never would have thought about that option without your charts and Infos. My ddr2 system now runs windows 7 with the msi gtx 580 lightning 3gb edition and I play games on it like witcher 1, everything from around 2008 to 2012. I want to own one day a kick ass setup from Intel and AMD next to each other hooked up to the same monitor for every good windows version. I extra cleared a room in my house for that.... My wife was thrilled xD.... So may be this got you some inspiration. Oh and if you need cheap parts, because it seems that getting parts in Australia is really expensive. I live in Germany and the used market for example on apps like eBay Kleinanzeigen is full with cheap parts, and way cheaper than everything you are buying. You are paying at least 50% plus shipping more for your parts then I do here. And sometimes even more. So if you would need something or can't find it, you can contact me anytime and I will check if I can get the parts here and send them to you. I was really surprised in the beginning how much less I was paying then you for the same parts or I had no problems getting parts you mentioned but you could not get at all or for a reasonable price. OK that's it. Thanks a lot and keep up the good work.
It really is a fun hobby :D Another benefit of going with older gear is that everything is patched, works reliably, motherboards are on 2nd or 3rd revision...
Another very enjoyable video, Phil. I appreciate your comments at the end and I suppose older (!) subscribers may not comment as much, resulting in a slight skew of the data. For the record then; myself, and doubtless many others, really like the older 90s/early 00s builds and reviews you do. Even if the viewer stats aren’t as impressive, the content is brilliant and it’s our passion just like it is yours. 👍 Hopefully making these retro videos doesn’t wear too thin for you over time, because it would be a real loss the the channel/community if they took a back seat to the newer hardware. As a side, I just picked up a Terratec Sonicxplosion (basically the same card as the Turtle Beach) and will now have another play around with it!
Thanks for the supporting words! Do share how you're finding the card!
I'd like to see more retro hardware videos, and this one was excellent as well.
I am passionate about 90s and early 2000s Hardware so keep it coming Phil! That's the reason i've subscribed to you in the first place.
Found your channel through OZ, you should give him a shout back. Any way, growing up my highschool friends dad had a Pentium III 650mhz OC'd to something crazy using a Cryotech case w/ a refrigerant system in the basement of the case. I remember it being the coolest things since sliced bread.
It's really nostalgic seeing the system becoming gradually more usable as you go through the driver install and reboot process.
Regarding power usage/idle time. Run apps on Windows 98 such as "rain", "cpuidle", or "waterfall pro" to drop idle power consumption/heat. Windows 2000 or XP and up do this automatically.
Hello there! As you requested, here are my thoughts:
I love this kind of videos with retro hardware and they are the reason I watch your videos.
Please keep going, there is many ppl like me who enjoy retro hardware.
Always loved the pentiums 3. I remember telling my mum about it and how no computer would need that kind of power
Nice video Phil, a slot 1 P3 1000 is just beautiful.
I bought that in the 733 mhz version in 2000, and if I remember correctly with 256 MB RAM and a nvidia geforce 2 gts with 32 MB memory. A beast of a computer 😎
then the original xbox came out and ate it for breakfast
@@si4632 The original xbox is pentium 3 733 with 64mo of ram and a graphic card between geforce3 and 4 in term of power. Late 2001/ beginning 2002 game console. At this time pc processors ran at 1.5ghz.
@@jeckjeck6943 and were still trashed by the Xbox lol
@@si4632 That's not true. Xbox was the best console of it's time but can't compete with pcs of 2002.
Found your channel from LGR, love seeing the retro hardware!
Good stuff. I can't wait until spring & I can get to all my retro stuff. Going to do an inventory of what I have & maybe even sell some things, I have a lot of Piii Era stuff.
I love the retro stuff! I got a complete old pc second-hand that happens to have this same CPU/GPU combination, plus a SB Live. Works great for those late 90s to very-early-2000s games!
PHIL!! I missed this and just caught it on Sunday! Another most excellent video my man! 🤘
AOpen... now that’s a name I haven’t heard in awhile!
Finally a real retro build. A worthy opponent.
Yea it's been a while :D Always takes my brain a bit longer to get my head around the old parts LOL
First pc I built was an an i7 920
Yeah, if you've been away from 'em for a while, it takes some remembering all the cranks and quirks, and boy howdy, some of 'em were cranky. We've been spoiled by hardware that auto-detects and auto-configures everything, but go back to these old boards and you'd better have the jumper settings correct if you want it to work; most had no autodetect and no overvoltage control, and would cook a CPU that expected lower power. And the AMD CPUs of the day could overheat to death in under 30 seconds, from ice cold to brown and crispy, that fast (no overheat protection at all. Even very old Intels would turn off, but AMDs would fry.)
Not to mention all the different types of RAM and voltage, not always reliably marked by slot type or slot keys, and no SPD in those days.
It was sure nice when everyone got in the habit of printing the jumper options right on the board. Not like the old adapter cards where if you didn't have the jumper docs, you were SOL, especially when they had big blocks of multiple jumpers.
"IDON'TCAREWARE". I like the way you think, Phil!
I have a PCI 9250 and it's very stable and reliable and compatible. A GPU for the ages!
Agreed, I like everything about these cards :)
Great vid, nice to see more retro stuff here! I'd love to see more sound card reviews - one I'm particularly interested in is for the Compaq Business Wavetable Sound Card. It uses a similar ES1869 chip to the one in your ESS AudioDrive video, but also includes a rather obscure ES692S chip for wavetable synthesis. It's a very similar setup to what I have in my Compaq Armada 7800, which I've been very impressed with the general MIDI quality on.
I actually looked for such a card, and seems to be a bit if a unicorn...
Great video and great timing. I'm working on a pentium III pc this weekend.
This is the type of video that I enjoy most from you. I love the retro and Pentuim 3 was a my second favorite period (Dx4100 486/early pentium being my all time fav). Please keep up the good work sir. Love your videos.
Phil, regarding the high power usage during idle - what you said about the CPU not throttling down is true, however there’s another factor causing this. Win9x doesn’t issue the CPU a HLT instruction when idle like WinNT-based OS do. There are programs to enable this however. This is a good reference that compares them: www.benchtest.com/cooler.html
Back in the days I loved my Pentium III with Intel BX chipset and I still do. I have used it as my daily driver for years and today it is my retro build.
My setup is: ASUS P2B-F, Pentium III 1Ghz, 512MB Ram, 40GB Seagate HDD with 7200 rpm, Geforce 4 TI4600, Soundblaster Live, 3Com PCI network card, DVD-Rom and CD-RW.
Thanks for your videos and best wishes from Germany!
Very nice setup!
Phil forgot to say ..
Thanks for this video! What a great way to start the weekend!
The kind of computer I would have KILLED for back in my Windows 98 days!
Thank you so much Phil for this new video, enjoyed it a lot ! Can't wait for the next one :-)
great video, its given me a push to build an old system and im very lucky i guess to have kept about a dozen mobos and processors as well as boxes and boxes of old cards..thanks
Yeahhhh! P3 was and still is my favorite era of computer gaming! Thank you Phil, as usual, excellent content! :)
Back in the day I upgraded from a celery 433 to a PIII 1000EB, with the 133MHz FSB, and it made a huge difference to the performance! It'd be interesting to see how a 133MHz FSB compares to the 100MHz one shown in the video. I suspect it won't make a huge difference, probably a few FPS here and there. Going from 100MHz to 133MHz RAM might make a difference in memory-intensive applications, but I don't think games benefited that much from higher memory speed.
Love the retro hardware vids!!. What I want to see you do is the different 486 upgrade chips. The pentium over drive 83 , vs the amd 133, vs the cyrix 5x86 133 which supposedly had some Pentium features. Sorry that my comment makes the perfect 486 comments 487
Love the retro content. Really interesting to see how the hard drive was used. Any reason to not use an ssd with that ide adapter? Keep up the good work.
Just to show other methods throughout my videos! A small SSD works really well also :)
PhilsComputerLab Brilliant. Makes me want to try this even more!
At the time in 2002, I wanted to own this processor and never found only 750MHz version.
The mainboard was a Tekram with i440bx chipset. Glad to see this video.
I totally prefer your retro PC content, all the socket 7, Super 7, Slot 1, socket 370 up to socket 462 and 478 stuff, as well as the period correct graphic and sound cards. But as a suggestion for a future video, if you happen to have some AM1 platform parts around, it could be interesting to test them as an inexpensive Windows 98/XP era retro machine. Maybe also (why not) to test how far it can be pushed in regards to relatively more recent titles (Windows 7 era). Have a wonderful weekend! Greetings from Uruguay.
AM1 or FM1, I believe I did a video on one of these platforms! It was ok for Windows XP, but I do want to look at some newer FM2 APUs and if they are good enough for a GPU-less XP Gaming PC.
If I recall properly you did a video about the FM1 platform, not the AM1 (which is a more energy efficient oriented one). I do own an HTPC FM2 based system and its IGP is fairly decent. But never tried it as an IGP only retro system, that could also be an interesting video to watch
One of my favorite accomplishments from this era was overclocking my Pentium III 700 MHz CPU to 933 MHz. It ran stably at that speed for 2 more years before selling it.
Ahhh the good old days!! :D 486 SX/DX video next.. wait ya did one 5yrs ago, bummer. Keep up the great vids!!!
Great as always, I just build a machine with Celeron 433, Riva TNT2-M64 on ECS P6BAT-A+ mainboard and I use also 98SE there. I even ran there for some time S3VirgeDX, SiS6326. SiS6326 have some weird colors in some dos games like I saw on Matrox cards.
Thanks again Phil! Hope you'll ever get to benchmarking an RDRAM-based P4 1.4/1.5 vs the highest clocked P3s :) personal interest lol
Annnd found your vid from March 2018!! :)) thanks m8!
Hi Phil! Love your videos and have been watching all of them for quite some time. I'm missing some old portables on your videos. I just bought a Toshiba Libretto 70CT (120MHz Pentium MMX) and will overclock it to 200MHz and was wondering if you'll ever make a review of it. Thanks and keep doing the great job you've always been doing. Cheers from Brazil!
Thanks for another great retro video Phil, your videos are the highlight of my week!
Thank you :)
Great to see a new retro related video. Never tried a Turtle Beach soundcard either, but I do remember the days when that name was synonymous with super high-end. Turtle Beach Multisound and such. It's kind of sad to see how far they've fallen over the years. Today, gaming headphones... Back in the day, studio grade sound cards with lots of insane hardware on them (FPGA chips, Motorola MC68000 and more).
you are definitely a PC enthusiast
Wow ! Brings back memories, I had plenty of slot 1 motherboards, but they all died . It would be good to put a sata Hdd using Sata to IDE adapters
Great video Phil! I also have great respect for Intel 440BX chip-set - the best Slot 1 platform. Maybe you can do a future video with this platform and 133FSB processors: stability, compatibility with video cards and performance relative to 100FSB at the same frequency. As a side note I got 2 Radeons 9250 and the funny thing I don't know how I got them!
I have this cpu and motherboard in my parts. Makes this a great retro Friday
Great video as always Phil! Have you ever thought about making a Windows Vista "retro" PC? I always wanted to build something totally overkill from that era with several GPUs in crossfire/SLI.
A Vista PC is planned, yes :D
This is probably my favorite 9x platform. Not so fast that it feels out of its time but faster than what 98 was originally specced for.
Nice video, love the retro stuff.
This is almost the same as my old system, I have the same CPU, but with ATi 9800 Pro, Aopen AX63 Pro. Thanks for the video.
I think it's great to get this true retro content every now and again Phil, keeps things changed up and atm I've been watching alot of ur older win98 videos to help with an IBM T42 Thinkpad, mainly drivers and how to actually use win98 and msdos (I haven't used either since I was about 12 years old lol- edited coz I just did the math lol)
Also: any recommendations on which OPL3LPT to buy? Seems like there's a lot of clones and I'm not sure what to get, mainly need it for a thinclient and the aforementioned IBM T42 for dos sound!
If u happen to know a way to get a usb mouse working in msdos I wud be indebted to u!!
I would only buy directly from serda shop!
I've got the same motherboard and 133 FSB version of that CPU. Great combo. But there is something annnoying in your build: Why using a 2TB Hibrid disk and downgraded to 32GB, if you can easily use a 128GB SSD?
does 128gb ssd have ide connection?
@@gamersworld4176 he's using an SATA to IDE converter anyway. I have a 60GB Samsung 830 in my Win98 PC, works great.
Hello. he answered this question in comments. He did this choice just to show it is possible. A small ssd is a good choice of course.
Since you asked for feedback. What I'd like to see more of is games outside of the 10 biggest and most useful for benchmarking (doom, quake etc) running on period minimum, recomended and lastly actually decent hardware. There's two ways to go with this; one is to have something like a k6-II+ that you can dial down to whatever speed, the other is to invert the process and find games that suit the system you have chosen instead of suiting the system to the games. Then you can bang out like 50 games for each system before you move on to the next system. I also think you'd want to start with a 486DX2-66, pentium mmx 166 and 386DX-40 if you go this route; those were so unbelievably common systems there is no trouble finding games targeted to those. It is also a good idea to not just run 20 second snippets but actually play a few minutes on each system so you get a whole video out of each game.
You can ask your viewers but there are lots of fondly remembered games that are never played on this channel because it focuses more narrowly on the hardware side of things and only on the minimum set of games required for a decent benchmark which neglects a long line of games which are fondly remembered but not so industry defining as Doom, e.g. Daggerfall, Duke 3D, Magic carpet, frontier - first encounters ("elite 3" basically) and Strife. This will also have the side effect of you having to play old unintuitive DOS games that you maybe didn't grow up with and that's a good thing; it is impossible to see an old unintuitive DOS game that you've played way too much with fresh eyes unless you see someone else play it.
Love the classic P3 win 98 content. Reminds me of my celaron 533mhz I had back then. Told myself I would never buy another celaron as I had so many issues with it.
I've got a Compaq with a Celeron 933MHz with a broken die, and I bought a good Pentium 3 1000MHz socket370 CPU + 2x 256SDR 133, video FX-5200 on PCI (no AGP slot), 80GB Samsung HDD. I installed Windows 2000 + Microsoft Visual J++ (you need to install it before the service packs, otherwise it gives errors, it was meant for Windows 98), all the updates including IE 6.1 SP1, Microsoft Visual Studio 2005, Eclipse 4.20 (+3.42), Firefox 12 and Opera 12, and other software as DirectX 9.0C from 2005, D-Lite 4.35, Winamp 5.2. Great for doing basic programming stuff. It can run older software, but still VS2005 seems great to do C and C++ stuff, and VB6 for who needs. Windows 2000 is pretty good. It is stable and fast.
This is how it looks: qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9e9beaa52a5d2b45caefb0cacaec1252
I like restoring old machines, say from the trash, fixing the boards and bringing them back to life.
May i sugest finding trash boards and trying to fix them? not sure how good are you are electronics/soldering so as to recap boards and cards and general troubleshooting
ahhh "Made in Philippines"
good ol days
Yesterday, I found a box in my stash with an Aopen AX6BC and a 1Ghz Pentium III in it.... ... Today, i'm watching your video.... X)
My 1GHz P3 system was a Coppermine S370 setup. Think it was on a Microstar 815E board. Only issue with 815 was it could only take a max of 512MB of RAM but that wasn't an issue then. The 440BX was legendary but newer boards could do AGP 8X with fastwrites/ sideband addressing and of course 133Mhz FSB chips.
Slot 1 adapter cards can be really cranky. Some work with anything, some only like certain CPUs or only support 66MHz bus. But when they work, it's a great option. -- In my Closet I have a dual slot 1 board that's quite fast for the day and supports up to 1GHz... thinking about finding it max speed CPUs and resurrecting it, good options here, I like that sound card being able to handle DOS games. (I have a bunch of these boards but that one is notably faster.)
Be aware that FAT32 is unstable for partitions over 32GB; this is a known data wrapping bug that used to be documented on Microsoft's Knowledge Base. It looks like a failed HD if you're not aware what's going on, as once you get over 32GB of data on the drive, files start randomly disappearing.
G'day Phil,
I am more interested in XP as a Retro Platform for gaming, but I still find older Machines & Software interesting, so watching these videos are enjoyable & definitely better than what is on 😁
Great video, Phil. I love these old machines. I just dug an old Tyan dual P3 Tiger 230t out of the closet and put it together. It's a dual processor rig with 896MB of ram, but should run Win98 on a single CPU w/ no problem. Now I'm off to find drivers lol. Hopefully they exist for Win98. Cheers!
For 98, stick with 512GB of RAM or 256! Chipset drivers are available on my website. The other drivers, well it can take a bit of hunting onlline. You can use XP or Linux do itentify components, or use a magnifier to check the chips on the board. Audio, ethernet and all of that.
@@philscomputerlab I have been reading that too much ram in WFW3.11 and Win98 can cause lots of weird problems. Have you had anything like that happen? I'll head over to your website and look for drivers. I think this board has the Apollo Pro133A chipset in it. Thanks for responding too, btw!
I never owned a slot 1Ghz, but had plenty of FPGA 1Ghz machines back in the day. But I did have a bunch of dual CPU P3 550 slot machines by Dell. Huge cases, amazingly well built, toolless design internals and onboard SCSI. Those were awesome machines. Came with Viper V770's (TNT2 Ultras) and a second SCSI adapter card and each machine I had came with two Quantum SCSI HD's.
I kept a few of them for a couple of years and remember having the chance to upgrade them to 700Mhz dual SLOT CPU's, but by that time flipchips were far easier to get and I ended up selling the Dell's (except one).
Please do more retro videos like this!
I'll do my best..
Yes please do
Hello Phil! Ive acquired a few retro parts/machines! One being a slot 1 motherboard with parts, and a dell dimension 4100. Ive watched this video tons of times but i always have issues finding correct drivers for my system! And get tons of errors as well.
Makes my PII 266Mhz look crap haha.
Keep the retro videos coming!!
I had that sound card with my p4 machine back in the day, it was amazing !
Big fan of how those those fake OPL Crystal sound cards sound in Dos games.
Awesome stuff. Slot CPUs are something special and very easy to setup.
My only critique would be that if you are only going to use 32GB out of a 2TB HDD, might as well use a cheap 32GB SSD.
Yes I mix things up to show alternatives. A 32 GB SSD would work really well, agreed!
Thanks Phil. Shame those 100MHz FSB 1GHz PIII slot 1s are so expensive these days. One day I might stumble across one. For now I’ll stick to my 650.
Yea I got all my parts many, many years ago, for low prices.
ahhh This brings back memories as I had the exact same CPU yes it was the slot 1 version as it was hard to find back then for when I went to college and had it for over 5 years until 2008 I played and finished so many classic games on it despite having a shitty GPU for so long, I played and finished RE4 on 256MB 100mhz SDR ram and a 64mb Geforce 2 and it ran like shit 25 to 30 fps on most parts but ran less than 20 in some parts on an 800x600 resolution gaming like a pauper those were the days.
16bit image is decent and is a lot faster to save in memory
you'll feel that a lot in vintage games.
Excellent video! I love these older slot 1 Pentium III systems! It's such a shame that the 1GHz slot 1 Pentium III cards are so expensive. I've been trying to find one for years now but they are all insanely expensive! I was searching eBay earlier and the cheapest I could find was selling for $300.00! I'm guessing there weren't very many of these produced since most CPUs had moved on to the 133MHz system speed by then. I have been able to find the Socket 370 versions of the 1GHz with 100MHz FSB for around $25.00 and am wondering if I could use one in a slot 1 motherboard with one of those adapter cards?
Yes, of course you can use it with a so called Slotket. Btw my feeling is that the Socket 370 1000 MHz/100 MHz FSB PIII is more rare than the equivalent Slot 1 PIII.
PIII 900Mhz FCPGA version in slotket is much cheaper as it is available in bigger quantities. It's the best CPU for 100Mhz 440BX boards.
10:33 Enabling DMA mode! I’d never even heard about that option until I got Vice City on day of release, rushed home all excited and found that the gameplay was all choppy! A quick google suggested I turn on DMA and then Vice City was buttery smooth 😗
Hey man, nice video. The maximum drive size for Windows 98 SE is 127GB or something like that. Maybe you left a lot of bytes on the table when you set it to 32 GB when you have 200 GB available. Keep it up!
Currently still waiting on my flash memory for my T5710, but i do have a concept i might build in the future if the hobby stay this fun. Which is the ultimate time-machine concept, i was thinking Athlon64 (Especially since my dad's gaming PC i grew up on had one) but it would be interesting seeing what components would be best suited for such a build which would essentially translate to the fastest rig you can get away with with maximum dos compatibility and slowdown techniques.
This turtle beach doesn't seem as interesting as the still availible yamaha ymf744 card you showed, given similar Windows 98 compatibility but way nicer sounding dos compatibility with the wavetable midi support in Windows and the OPL3 sound in Dos.
The TB is stronger in Windows, the YMF card is outstanding in DOS!
The first PC that I built by myself had this processor with 256 mb ram and a GeForce 2 graphics card and originally had Windows ME on it. That I built in early 2001. I then upgraded it to Windows XP before selling it in 2003.
Hello, Phil.
Nice video, what is that connector on the sound card used for a bracket with some IO or for something similar to a Live Drive.
Where would you put that video card performance compared to older/newer cards?
Thanks.
Yea some sort of front panel device. Not sure, as I only have the cards.
In 2007 I rescued an HP Kayak dual-slot PIII workstation headed for the dumpster at work and upgraded it with two 1000MHz CPUs like the ones in this video, you could get them on eBay for like $8 each. I ran a small Linux server from it and left it at my parent's house. Sadly, a few years later they moved and I didn't have room - at the time you couldn't give Win98 era hardware way, so I believe I said "throw it out." I regret it now!