Hi TechnoDad, I bought a marantz 7015 amplifier I went through audyssey, and the bottom 5 speakers are fine. The height speakers or clicking in the amp could you tell me what to do please kind regards Brian 😢
I have watched this video multiple times and am now convinced this is the way. Every calibration system I am aware of only measures a speakers frequency response from the main listening position. But this app measures the speaker independent of the room, the speaker from the main listening position and then reconciles the two in order to create a custom target curve that is individual and specific to YOUR speakers in YOUR room. Why use a target curve developed by someone else using some other speakers in some other room when you can have a custom tailored solution particular to your unique needs? Channa called this the disruptor and I think he's right. I have an RZ50 with DIRAC Live and if True Target is compatible with my AVR, I will be a day one customer. Please keep your fans informed. Subscribed 🍺
Ayyyy! Thank you for watching! I truly appreciate it. And yes, this IS a disruptor. I hope everyone will listen to the information with open ears and understand the process like you have. Thanks again for watching!
I would argue that it doesnt make any difference how it measures right at the speaker because that is not what you hear. The only thing that matters is how it measures in your listening area. Its a room calibration - NOT a speaker calibration, so measuring where you listen is the way. Hence why all the best and biggest manufacturers do it this way
weirdly, with everything going on in your life, with having to restart everything, ive never seen you this excited happy, going back to your roots. :) I've been watching for years im a friend of Michaels (youth man), very happy to see you enjoying life.
@@TechnoDad At the end, Joe's lookin jealous as fk because his stuff still doesn't sound as good as yours (after all the tweaking he did over the years), Lol. Rock on TechnoD.
This is an awesome video. Firstly it's a Technodad x Joentell collaboration, secondly it's a real world home theatre system and finally it has Magic Beans.
What's up my brother, I'm so proud of you for keeping it real and not losing your joy and passion. Life is tough, but you chose to persevere and that's what resonates with your viewers. There's no shame in your game and that's a example we can follow. Thank you for your work, it has been very helpful for me and my home theater
Its nice to see a reviewer who came from a nice theatre set up, who can now can associate with 90% of us who can’t afford large systems. And can connect with us again 👍🏻 and not think cheap systems aren’t worth talking about.
I've been doing this a long time and I know what it's like to have a tight budget. I remember my first system when I was in High School. It was a hodgepodge of speakers but had a decent Denon AVR for Dolby Pro Logic II. It took a few years, but I slowly earned and purchased the other speakers and had my first 5.1 setup back in the mid-90's. I like to buy expensive stuff when I can, but it's not a prerequiste for performance. Thank you for watching!
The dynamic duo back at it! Channa I'm so jealous you got your system dialed in... Nahhh bro just kidding 😊 I'm excited for you. Can't wait for the release of Joe's Magic Beans room calibration software.
I've done a lot of work calibrating my room with mini dsp and rew, Ypao but I've always wanted to really get into individual speaker correction to see if I can bump it up a level. This looks really interesting and would just give you that last bit of performance. Looks very interesting.
I spent month to calibrate my system with my umik-1, REW, MSO and Dirac live for final adjustments. I also tried multeq-x, which is a powerful tool if you're just using it for importing your PEQ's. I'm looking forward to use magic beans and to see if there's an improvement over what I did so far.
@TechnoDad Absolutely, but the knowledge you gain by learning how to use REW and MSO is priceless. I forgot to mention that I also use a miniDSP 2x4HD. I have to admit that at a certain point of this process, it gets kind of addictive. You're chasing for a perfect result, a perfect curve, perfect bass, perfect etc. but forget to enjoy what you actually started this for...music, movies, games. Your spatial audio toolkit really helps with adding the last finishing touches after a full calibration. Thx for this disc, love it! All the best to you and greetings from germany!
Dirac will do what you are trying to accomplish automatically already. It sets different crossovers and levels based on how you speaker measures natively. It will also adjust for phase issues. It will follow the natural response on it if you so choose. And its easy - minimal human errors
Audio signal question were all wondering about: Does placement of speacer (inside receiver) change what Audio the speaker get? Showrom is limited to 7.2.4 2 options: 1. Height wall front 2. Heiht top front Do the speakers get the same audio or is there a difference in What audio is sent to the different positions? Or do height speakers get the same audio regardless of wall, top front or top middle instructions to the receiver?
At 54, I'm now at a level of equipment that I can't really claim to be super budget. However, I spent at least 30 years on cheaper equipment and always felt like I was getting "most" of the experience. I absolutely LOVE the philosophy delivered with this video. Enjoyment at ANY level.
Hey Channa, Great video as usual! 1. What were the crossover settings after with “Magic Beans”!! 2.I truly believe you guys have revolutionized the industry with Spatial calibration and “Magic Beans” “Sweeping the Speakers as opposed to the norm🤯‼️ 3. The A/V ReceiverCompanies are definitely going to integrate this technique in their future A/V Receivers. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️💪👈
I am excited about the magic bean I have been watching for awhile and listen to you guys talk about, now I might be able to try it myself……that’s awesome!
Yes, it allows you to do it without REW. I do recommend REW for more advanced manual calibration methods though. Especially useful with more than one sub.
OMG I love this stuff so much! Thanks for teaming up and putting out amazing products. Can you please help with a workflow question? *Do we ALWAYS "Exclude Position" in the MultEQ-X app? I understand why you did in the video: no Audyssey stuff was run on Channa's system; no EQ was placed on his speakers when True Target was run. But what if the Magic Beans True Target app was recording near field on speakers that did have Audyssey filtering EQ curves applied to them? Since that EQ was coming out during the recording, wouldn't one want to include those filtering curves that produced the original sound signature? Then True Target's EQs imported to "lay on top" of what was there to begin with. In this case, would we "Include Position"? Or... at 6:52 were you going to completely turn off all Audyssey stuff to begin with, to have no filtering EQ on the speakers during your upcoming near field recording? *Should we ALWAYS turn off Audyssey / other EQ before using True Target? Thanks Joe and Channa!
Can you do an updated video on the moving mic method and the differences in results between the M - move and the pull out move. And why the pull out method is more effective.
I just purchased my Magic Beans/True Target selfie stick and matching shock mount 🤣 Question: What calibration file is Joe using for his UMIK-1? Is it the normal orientation or the 90 degree orientation file? Can't wait to try this in my system 🍺
This video is one of the most relevant ones on your channel as it resonates with the average Joe (pun intended) like me. Got to learn alot, and looking forward to getting the Magic Beans down the road.
Btw, @joentell are you by any chance collaborating with SVS on a similar tool? Nick of svs kinda let the cat out of the bag last week in a livestream that they are releasing a similar tool for their subs.......hmmmm
Hey, seems to be a real great method/app; i definitely will purchase and try it if it's available🙂 Charles Sprinkle mentioned in the video 'The Moving Mic Measurement Method' that: 'The foam windscreen is important, because it lowers the amount of noise from moving the microphone around that you might encounter!'. Why you don't use it?
Can you explain how measuring right at the speaker will help the end result in the calibration. Since what you are trying to do is correct for the room so it sounds good and measures good at your listening position. IMO how it measures right at it wont help you get a better end net result. Also the moving mic method will introduce alot of noise into the measurements (humans are noisey, unless they do it naked, crack all their bones before hand and hold their breath while measuring. Its a good idea in a sense but humans will ERR.
Sure thing. When you measure at the speaker and then at the MLP, you can figure out how the room is affecting the sound at the MLP. So the software will create a custom target curve based on what your speakers are capable of and what the room is doing to the sound.
Interesting calibration approach. However, I don't think moving the mic while taking measurements is a good idea. It can raise background noise due to air friction and cause measurement errors, especially phase errors due to a Doppler effect. Better take 3 steady measurements at different heights and let the app take the average. I also recommend lowering the TV's height and increasing the front height distance. You could also add rear heights hanging from the ceiling. Is this app available online already?
I've done many MMM and I get reliable and repeatable results. I often compare measurements taken from a Klippel NFS of the same speaker to ensure the method is good. I was taught this method from Charles Sprinkle, the lead designer from Kali Audio. Air friction is negligible considering the distance and volume of the speaker playing the pink noise. Doppler is accounted for via the spatial average. I hear what you're saying though and I appreciate the feedback. Static sweeps also have their disadvantages in that mic placement will have a huge effect on the measurement. It's also slow and prone to user error. Nothing is perfect, but I find MMM the most repeatable.
I'm excited to try Magic Beans. I have all the measuring tool I need as per your recommendations. The only thing different from your recommendation is I have the DaytonAudio UMM-6 Mic. I hope the Dayton mic is not an issue. Can't wait to hear the after calibration results. Question. My Denon has two independent sub outs. Do I still need a miniDSP and REW to get the best sound power out of them?
@TechnoDad i now get what he means by "a personal targrt curve" based on your room and speaker combo and personal taste etc. I was hung up on calling it a target curve that's generated vs a correction that's generated but I see its just usage of a word that was confusing. Sorry Joe for misunderstanding but it was confusing I the other video.
I'm watching this video on my pc with a 48" LG oled tv as my monitor and z5500 logitech computer speakers and when Joe was watching that demo and the bass hit.. omg..LOL my 10" sub went ape shit! It was funny as hell. Great work.. What's up with Magic Beans? hmmm :)
Awesome video. I can't wait to get all the calibration tools to optimize my system. I signed up for the MB Beta, then went on to purchase the Spatial Audio Calibration Toolkit but the 15% off code didn't work. Please advise. Thanks!
This is FREAKING awesome guys - REALLY! The app looks "killer" - Can't wait until it comes out. - Cheers! Can't wait to see comparisons to Dirac and Audisey
Dang great overview of the app, if it has the same level of polish as your spatial toolkit, this will be an amazing tool. Love the spatial toolkit. Getting my crossover right was a godsend.
Blessings and thank you for the demonstration, I’d love get more information on the apps with cost, (fyi) I’m using a pair of monolith THX 10 subs, continued Blessings, peace
Looks like we're all going to love this app to customize our systems. Can you explain how it could imporve a Dirac Live room. I run all custom built matching speakers. Dirac made them sound like high dollor speakers. Dirac did make them to flat for my taste. I hade to adjust the curve a little to match my taste. I think we all would love Dirac compared to Magic Beans.
Hey Sir, can you tell me if the moving microphone method (near field / MLP) works only with the 0 degree file or can one use the 90 degree file as well (when using this method in REW)? Thanks
Great video, looks like an amazing app. BTW, the inconsistent center channel is probably because its reflecting the sound off of that glass. I would either move the center channel to the edge of that glass or try and cover it with a table cloth or something. Because that center measurement is losing way too much precision. I don't know how it's making its target curve and what its based off of, but I need to find out:) Can you import as target curve instead of PEQ filters?
The center is likely due to what you're saying and/or lobing from the MTM design. Your ELAC won't likely have that because of the concentric design. Importing the filters = creating a target curve, just a different method. I'm curious if choosing a target curve results in more or less filters vs forcing 10 PEQ's. With the Pro version, we enable exporting to REW with the individual measurements as well as the target curve which can then be imported into MultEQ-X. I wonder which would give more precision.
I think the target curve will be more accurate. I've done both ways and the PEQ method was never as good even with over 25 PEQs, it could never match the import target method. However, other room correction systems don't use Audyssey's import target curve feature. A target curve on other systems is a guide used to allow the system to EQ to that curve, but in Audyssey, it actually allows full control over a curve from start to finish. This is what makes Audyssey the best room correction software out there right now as far as I'm aware.@@joentell
it will introduce alot of room for user error. Any additional sound that person makes waving the wand around from their clothes, or body creaks and breathing will introduce errors to how it would calibrate.. Its a good idea if you could do it without the human input though
@bledarney1 The good thing is it can smooth out single minor disturbances when using "forever" averages when measuring. A drawback is that it does not measure Decay, Impulse, Time and Phase related measurements.
After watching this video it left me somewhat confused. I have a Marantz Cinema 50 with Dirac Live and it just makes all the changes for me. If I used your tool does it replace Dirac or on top of Dirac? Also how are the changes made on the Marantz? I also saw an option to export a target curve for Dirac. How does that work?
Hope magic beans will be availible soon, exited to try it. I'm very happy with my sound but always in for improvement. Loud and bass is not always better, but that the system sounds good on lower volume is important too. Technodad great intro of Dune, it's my favorite demo intro. But it sounds great with your system, enjoy it!
Yup! Having a balanced system is better than a 'loud system.' In a lot of ways, loudness sounds like something is better, but that's not always the case. Before the Beans, there was more bass, but it was not balanced. After, the bass ended up being more impactful due to the balance.
@@TechnoDad thank you for the reply , in that case what avr would you recomend. Unless I know it may be a silly question can i connect 4 speakers to 2 speakers output ? The back ones.
Everyone should do what they feel is best for them, but for me its quality over quantity. What I mean by that is I'd rather have 5 high quality channels than more at a lesser quality. And that usually means not using a receiver. Even the best receivers can't come close to matching separate high quality amps or really good powered speakers. The only real downside is price. Not everyone can afford high end separates, so an all in one receiver can be a great option for some people. But I think a lot of what you're doing with the calibration software, is trying to overcome some of the weaknesses in the electronics. Anyway, its just an option to consider if you can afford to spend more money on your system. All I have in my system is 5 high quality powered speakers connected to a very good HT preamp, and everyone who hears it says its the best system they're ever heard. I know from past experience that some of you who rely heavily on specs will want to challenge me on what I just said. Its not an argument I'm willing to have. I don't go by specs. If you do, and are happy with the results, that's all that matters. Do whatever works for you. Personally, I don't put a lot of faith in specs because no 2 manufacturers measure their equipment the same way. There are no set standards the industry goes by. For example, if you take 10 different power amps made by different companies, all rated for the same amount of power, and measure those 10 amps the same way, every one would be different. That's why I tend to focus on results over specs.
I think you're missing the point of the video, but I do hear what you are saying. I've come from the world of separates (Marantz 7706, AV10, separate amplifiers, $1K each speakers) and as cool as all those things are, it does not have a direct correlation with sound performance. I got all those things for free to review, so spending money is not an issue. With proper speaker placement, and room treatment, you can get a pretty good sound. But...if you take it one step further and tune the system to your room, then you've entered a whole new world of immersion. That's not to say the expensive stuff won't do that, but if you were to tune your expensive system to your room, you would get more out of it. That's the point of the video, tuning, no matter at what level of budget, will give you more performance out of your current gear.
@@TechnoDad I never said anything in the video was wrong. Any system will benefit from tuning regardless of cost. I've seen and heard many HT systems over the years, and I always prefer a simple 5 channel system built with high quality components, over more mainstream gear. That said, the extra channels when set up properly, can add some immersion over a 5 channel system. But that's just one aspect of sound quality. I really didn't want to get into specific brands because there are a lot of good brands out there. Not just the ones I own, or you own. However, I'm starting to think that maybe I should have given more info on my system, just for context. Everything I have is made by a company called Meridian. Its a small company that you've probably never heard of. But if you want to compare them to a company like Marantz, its a big step up. The sound that comes out of my 5 speakers is at a different level. I really don't like making statements like that, but to say anything else wouldn't be truthful. Given what it costs, it should be. And to be fair, the tittle of your video is, "My Home Theater Sounds Better Than Yours.". You have to expect some smart ass like me is going to see a tittle like that and feel compelled to respond.
Hi Chana, is it possible to ask your buddy if he can recommend an audio calibrator in New York ? I'm going to buy your disc, but I would like to have my system calibrated by a professional
Im not sure what the difference is between dirac, audyssey and this? Dirac and audyssey are room dependant as well and can tweak the curves to what you like
Dirac has updated their software to adjust the bass and treble of their target curves. They are room and speaker dependent, but they have to figure out what the speaker is doing using other methods since they don't measure nearfield. I think this method is superior.
Sorry if you answered this already but was that the Audyssey mic that came with the receiver or the Audyssey ACM1-X calibrated mic suggested on the Audyssey multiEQ-X website? I'm not sure if these are the same or different mic?
Nope…can’t do that in this space. At least there are a couple of rugs. They help, but I can’t do a whole lot here…maybe I can get a treatment above the headboard and disguise it as something else? I don’t know…
Na na, boo boo, my system sounds better than yours do! 😂
LOL!!!
Hi TechnoDad, I bought a marantz 7015 amplifier I went through audyssey, and the bottom 5 speakers are fine. The height speakers or clicking in the amp could you tell me what to do please kind regards Brian 😢
I have watched this video multiple times and am now convinced this is the way. Every calibration system I am aware of only measures a speakers frequency response from the main listening position. But this app measures the speaker independent of the room, the speaker from the main listening position and then reconciles the two in order to create a custom target curve that is individual and specific to YOUR speakers in YOUR room. Why use a target curve developed by someone else using some other speakers in some other room when you can have a custom tailored solution particular to your unique needs? Channa called this the disruptor and I think he's right. I have an RZ50 with DIRAC Live and if True Target is compatible with my AVR, I will be a day one customer. Please keep your fans informed. Subscribed 🍺
Ayyyy! Thank you for watching! I truly appreciate it. And yes, this IS a disruptor. I hope everyone will listen to the information with open ears and understand the process like you have. Thanks again for watching!
I would argue that it doesnt make any difference how it measures right at the speaker because that is not what you hear. The only thing that matters is how it measures in your listening area. Its a room calibration - NOT a speaker calibration, so measuring where you listen is the way. Hence why all the best and biggest manufacturers do it this way
weirdly, with everything going on in your life, with having to restart everything, ive never seen you this excited happy, going back to your roots. :) I've been watching for years im a friend of Michaels (youth man), very happy to see you enjoying life.
Thank you so much!
@@TechnoDad At the end, Joe's lookin jealous as fk because his stuff still doesn't sound as good as yours (after all the tweaking he did over the years), Lol. Rock on TechnoD.
@@wa2368 he has these same speakers and AVR. I've heard his system and it rocks as well. Magic Beans for everyone!!
What going on in his life? I hope he is healthy
Amazing! how simplified this calibration is. Thank you for the all the great work. Can’t wait to try out the app soon.
The hardest thing is to make it simple. We're over 200 iterations of the build and still working on getting it ready for public beta.
Is this going to work with anthem room correction? Thanks@@joentell
So happy yall played Dune 😂
It's great!
This is an awesome video. Firstly it's a Technodad x Joentell collaboration, secondly it's a real world home theatre system and finally it has Magic Beans.
What's up my brother, I'm so proud of you for keeping it real and not losing your joy and passion. Life is tough, but you chose to persevere and that's what resonates with your viewers. There's no shame in your game and that's a example we can follow. Thank you for your work, it has been very helpful for me and my home theater
Thanks, D-Nice! I truly appreciate it.
Its nice to see a reviewer who came from a nice theatre set up, who can now can associate with 90% of us who can’t afford large systems. And can connect with us again 👍🏻 and not think cheap systems aren’t worth talking about.
I've been doing this a long time and I know what it's like to have a tight budget. I remember my first system when I was in High School. It was a hodgepodge of speakers but had a decent Denon AVR for Dolby Pro Logic II. It took a few years, but I slowly earned and purchased the other speakers and had my first 5.1 setup back in the mid-90's. I like to buy expensive stuff when I can, but it's not a prerequiste for performance. Thank you for watching!
Nice to see you guys hanging out =)
..Great demo and set up guide here. Valuable to many =)
You know this, maaaaan!
If this works the way you're saying it works, this could.be a game changer for home systems. Waiting to find out more!
This calibration is awesome. I have to work towards preparing my living room for an updated movie experience.
It really is a game changer.
The dynamic duo back at it! Channa I'm so jealous you got your system dialed in... Nahhh bro just kidding 😊 I'm excited for you. Can't wait for the release of Joe's Magic Beans room calibration software.
Thank you!
That loudness mode tip! Thank you so much, i had no idea that was there.
Happy to help!
Awesome video, can’t wait to try out magic beans. I just got the Spatial Audio Calibration Toolkit Blu-ray😁😁
Thank you so much! Don't forget to join the owner's Discord to get tips and tricks from fellow users.
@@TechnoDad Will do thanks for letting me know a little the Discord!🤜🏼💥🤛🏼
Great video guys!!!! I’m looking forward to the release of Magic Beans!!!!!!
Oh yeah!
I've done a lot of work calibrating my room with mini dsp and rew, Ypao but I've always wanted to really get into individual speaker correction to see if I can bump it up a level. This looks really interesting and would just give you that last bit of performance. Looks very interesting.
It is! I can’t wait to watch more movies on this system.
I spent month to calibrate my system with my umik-1, REW, MSO and Dirac live for final adjustments. I also tried multeq-x, which is a powerful tool if you're just using it for importing your PEQ's. I'm looking forward to use magic beans and to see if there's an improvement over what I did so far.
Wow! That must have taken some time and is probably a big learning curve...
@TechnoDad Absolutely, but the knowledge you gain by learning how to use REW and MSO is priceless. I forgot to mention that I also use a miniDSP 2x4HD. I have to admit that at a certain point of this process, it gets kind of addictive. You're chasing for a perfect result, a perfect curve, perfect bass, perfect etc. but forget to enjoy what you actually started this for...music, movies, games. Your spatial audio toolkit really helps with adding the last finishing touches after a full calibration. Thx for this disc, love it! All the best to you and greetings from germany!
Love seeing Joe and Channa together . ❤❤❤
This was a lot of fun!
Dirac will do what you are trying to accomplish automatically already. It sets different crossovers and levels based on how you speaker measures natively. It will also adjust for phase issues. It will follow the natural response on it if you so choose. And its easy - minimal human errors
Unfortunately, Dirac does not do what Joe’s software does.
Audio signal question were all wondering about: Does placement of speacer (inside receiver) change what Audio the speaker get?
Showrom is limited to 7.2.4
2 options:
1. Height wall front
2. Heiht top front
Do the speakers get the same audio or is there a difference in What audio is sent to the different positions?
Or do height speakers get the same audio regardless of wall, top front or top middle instructions to the receiver?
At 54, I'm now at a level of equipment that I can't really claim to be super budget. However, I spent at least 30 years on cheaper equipment and always felt like I was getting "most" of the experience. I absolutely LOVE the philosophy delivered with this video. Enjoyment at ANY level.
Ayyyy! Thank you for watching!
Hey Channa, Great video as usual!
1. What were the crossover settings after with “Magic Beans”!!
2.I truly believe you guys have revolutionized the industry with Spatial calibration and “Magic Beans” “Sweeping the Speakers as opposed to the norm🤯‼️
3. The A/V ReceiverCompanies are definitely going to integrate this technique in their future A/V Receivers. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️💪👈
Good stuff. Definitely interested in a Magic Beans with Dirac video!
Copy that!
I am excited about the magic bean I have been watching for awhile and listen to you guys talk about, now I might be able to try it myself……that’s awesome!
I’m excited for everyone to try it out!
Night and Day difference! Everything blends smooth.
100
Love the name "Magic Beans". Congratulations on your improvements!!
Thank you!
Thankx.
Could you please do a Howto with yamaha ypao also. thank you.
That's shit sounds incredible and im watching and listening on my phone. Im very impressed. But not surprised you have a good sounding system
So Magic Beans allows you to do room correction without REW? I'm not suggesting that it's an REW replacement, other than for room correction.
Yes, it allows you to do it without REW. I do recommend REW for more advanced manual calibration methods though. Especially useful with more than one sub.
@joentell Time to get a mic and register for the Magic Beans beta.
OMG I love this stuff so much! Thanks for teaming up and putting out amazing products. Can you please help with a workflow question?
*Do we ALWAYS "Exclude Position" in the MultEQ-X app?
I understand why you did in the video: no Audyssey stuff was run on Channa's system; no EQ was placed on his speakers when True Target was run. But what if the Magic Beans True Target app was recording near field on speakers that did have Audyssey filtering EQ curves applied to them? Since that EQ was coming out during the recording, wouldn't one want to include those filtering curves that produced the original sound signature?
Then True Target's EQs imported to "lay on top" of what was there to begin with.
In this case, would we "Include Position"?
Or... at 6:52 were you going to completely turn off all Audyssey stuff to begin with, to have no filtering EQ on the speakers during your upcoming near field recording?
*Should we ALWAYS turn off Audyssey / other EQ before using True Target?
Thanks Joe and Channa!
Love to see Magic Beans vs Dirac!
Yeah, dude…that bass was so tight after EQ. 🤘 Shameless plug with the Magic Beans app, but hot damn, I can’t wait until it drops!! 🙌🌈
Boom boom boom! I can’t wait to do some more binaural comparisons.
Can you do an updated video on the moving mic method and the differences in results between the M - move and the pull out move. And why the pull out method is more effective.
I just purchased my Magic Beans/True Target selfie stick and matching shock mount 🤣 Question: What calibration file is Joe using for his UMIK-1? Is it the normal orientation or the 90 degree orientation file? Can't wait to try this in my system 🍺
Hi! He's using the standard file
This was awesome, what a great overview. Would love to see this in relation to Dirac😉
Okay!
This video is one of the most relevant ones on your channel as it resonates with the average Joe (pun intended) like me. Got to learn alot, and looking forward to getting the Magic Beans down the road.
Btw, @joentell are you by any chance collaborating with SVS on a similar tool? Nick of svs kinda let the cat out of the bag last week in a livestream that they are releasing a similar tool for their subs.......hmmmm
I don't know. I would love to work with SVS though. @@BornIn82
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Hey, seems to be a real great method/app; i definitely will purchase and try it if it's available🙂
Charles Sprinkle mentioned in the video 'The Moving Mic Measurement Method' that: 'The foam windscreen is important, because it lowers the amount of noise from moving the microphone around that you might encounter!'.
Why you don't use it?
Can you explain how measuring right at the speaker will help the end result in the calibration. Since what you are trying to do is correct for the room so it sounds good and measures good at your listening position. IMO how it measures right at it wont help you get a better end net result. Also the moving mic method will introduce alot of noise into the measurements (humans are noisey, unless they do it naked, crack all their bones before hand and hold their breath while measuring. Its a good idea in a sense but humans will ERR.
Sure thing. When you measure at the speaker and then at the MLP, you can figure out how the room is affecting the sound at the MLP. So the software will create a custom target curve based on what your speakers are capable of and what the room is doing to the sound.
Interesting calibration approach. However, I don't think moving the mic while taking measurements is a good idea. It can raise background noise due to air friction and cause measurement errors, especially phase errors due to a Doppler effect. Better take 3 steady measurements at different heights and let the app take the average.
I also recommend lowering the TV's height and increasing the front height distance. You could also add rear heights hanging from the ceiling.
Is this app available online already?
I've done many MMM and I get reliable and repeatable results. I often compare measurements taken from a Klippel NFS of the same speaker to ensure the method is good. I was taught this method from Charles Sprinkle, the lead designer from Kali Audio. Air friction is negligible considering the distance and volume of the speaker playing the pink noise. Doppler is accounted for via the spatial average. I hear what you're saying though and I appreciate the feedback. Static sweeps also have their disadvantages in that mic placement will have a huge effect on the measurement. It's also slow and prone to user error. Nothing is perfect, but I find MMM the most repeatable.
That is exactly what I was thinking, that moving the mic quickly would add air friction distortion to the measurements. Glad you clarified that!
Cohesive is a great way to describe when all the speakers disappear and you just experience the sound moving around the room.
That's right! We WANT cohesion and what we don't want is SEPARATION ;) but shhhh! Don't tell the "experts"...
Love from 🇮🇳 watched your full 38mins 😘
Thank you so much!
I need to purchase that Spatial Audio calibration toolkit bundle. I’m sure it’ll make a major improvement on my system.
Yes, I'm sure it will! 15% off right now with the code BEANS15
@@TechnoDad Thanks!
I'm excited to try Magic Beans. I have all the measuring tool I need as per your recommendations. The only thing different from your recommendation is I have the DaytonAudio UMM-6 Mic. I hope the Dayton mic is not an issue. Can't wait to hear the after calibration results. Question. My Denon has two independent sub outs. Do I still need a miniDSP and REW to get the best sound power out of them?
the way its explained here is much better Joe N Tell.
Nice!
@TechnoDad i now get what he means by "a personal targrt curve" based on your room and speaker combo and personal taste etc.
I was hung up on calling it a target curve that's generated vs a correction that's generated but I see its just usage of a word that was confusing. Sorry Joe for misunderstanding but it was confusing I the other video.
Definitely looking forward to this app now.
It's pretty great!
Ok I’m sold ! Please make sure I get a copy of this !
I think he is having a beta, you should sign up - technodad.biz/MBBeta
Thanks I signed up for the Beta .
@@TechnoDadjust did! 🎉
What Denon/Marantz receivers will this work with?
Looks very cool!
Pretty much any one that has at the very least a 10 band EQ.
I'm watching this video on my pc with a 48" LG oled tv as my monitor and z5500 logitech computer speakers and when Joe was watching that demo and the bass hit.. omg..LOL my 10" sub went ape shit! It was funny as hell. Great work.. What's up with Magic Beans? hmmm :)
Gotta Make More Videos About The Magic Beans And What You Need With The Disc Ect.Ect In My Case, I Would Love To See 👀 1 Vs Audyssey Calibration????
We can make that video comparison. I have Dirac Live, Dirac Live with Bass Control, and Dirac ART as well
Will do!
Ok im ready for this! When?!!!!!!!
Still in testing! I'm testing the newer version now!
After seeing your Frankenstein setup I don’t feel so bad about mine….LOL. The demo over my AirPods is amazing. Magic Beans baby. Bring it on!
Haha! Glad I can help!
Yes channa do those sound comparisons videos
Okay!
I need to get upstairs and fine tune my line arrays. I just coarse dialed them in quite awhile ago and never got back to fine tune.
Line arrays? That's awesome! I would love to be able to do line arrays.
@@joentell Yes, not just any line arrays, CBT line arrays. 9'-8" tall CBT line arrays.
WOW! Dr. Keele is awesome.@@mfkhometheater7742
That's pretty fancy!!
@@TechnoDad If you are ever in the Austin TX area, let me know, you can come by and have a listen.
Kindly share the items of your system including tv.
Awesome video. I can't wait to get all the calibration tools to optimize my system. I signed up for the MB Beta, then went on to purchase the Spatial Audio Calibration Toolkit but the 15% off code didn't work. Please advise. Thanks!
So there’s 3 packages available for purchase + the hardware.
Is there plans for purchase of only the app?
Benefits vs REW?
This is FREAKING awesome guys - REALLY!
The app looks "killer" - Can't wait until it comes out. - Cheers!
Can't wait to see comparisons to Dirac and Audisey
It is killer, Garry! I can't wait to watch more movies!
Can you output the calibration data to the Denon Audyssey MultEQ Editor App?
No only works with MultEQ-X software on desktop
Keep this great content coming in Techno Dad!
You got it, David!
What kind of speakers are you using?
Timbre matched (identical) adds to cohesive flow.
Sound goes from floor to ceiling as a single cohesive unit... all around. 😊😊😊😊🤗🤗🤗🤗🤓👍
Yup yup!!
Amazing..your set up sound better than my home theatre
I have all kef home theatre..Pl help me to calibrate
Picked up a few tips to turn off with my Dennon receiver. Thanks. Very good advice and video
Yup! I should make a separate video about that...
Bro your room is much messier than mine😂
Not my place, had to leave my home - ua-cam.com/video/fl9FAq4UbyI/v-deo.htmlsi=x_5E22DvlOJbz78K
@@TechnoDadsorry didn’t know about it, hope everything works out for you.
@@Herofmine All good, thank you.
Do you have MCACC PRO on the magic bean?
Hey there TD, is magic beans still available,and how do I order it. Thanks in advance.
Can't wait to use those magic beans !!!
Why there is no time tag for demo after all the effort? I cannot find it. Is there a demo after? If so what time stamp please.
Man that looks really great. Jealous I don’t have a processor it will work with.
Magic Beans Audio: True Target works with anything that accepts PEQ filters or even a Graphic EQ. What processor do you have?
Will it work with a Yamaha rx-a3080? Thx
What processor do you have?
@@TechnoDad AVR? A Yamaha rx-a3080
@@TechnoDad
Anthem Avm 70
Move seating to the front of the bed or even a chair in frot.
I tried that as well, but it's way too close.
Dang great overview of the app, if it has the same level of polish as your spatial toolkit, this will be an amazing tool. Love the spatial toolkit. Getting my crossover right was a godsend.
Thanks. Jay! The app has been in development for over a year and I’m certain many will enjoy the change in their setup.
@@TechnoDadcan’t wait for the beta, fingers crossed, or when it’s available for purchase on iOS.
Blessings and thank you for the demonstration, I’d love get more information on the apps with cost, (fyi) I’m using a pair of monolith THX 10 subs, continued Blessings, peace
I’d LOVE Magic Beans v xxxx comparisons
Okay!
So what does the spatial audio dvd do for a system
Looks like we're all going to love this app to customize our systems. Can you explain how it could imporve a Dirac Live room. I run all custom built matching speakers. Dirac made them sound like high dollor speakers. Dirac did make them to flat for my taste. I hade to adjust the curve a little to match my taste. I think we all would love Dirac compared to Magic Beans.
What AVR do you have?
I had a Onkyo RZ50, but I sent it back. I found a Yamaha a6a for 1200.00. It has 3 Year Protection Plan, Yamaha Factory Refurbished.@@TechnoDad
Hey Sir, can you tell me if the moving microphone method (near field / MLP) works only with the 0 degree file or can one use the 90 degree file as well (when using this method in REW)? Thanks
Thanks guys.
Thank you, Cheekster!
Great video, looks like an amazing app. BTW, the inconsistent center channel is probably because its reflecting the sound off of that glass. I would either move the center channel to the edge of that glass or try and cover it with a table cloth or something. Because that center measurement is losing way too much precision. I don't know how it's making its target curve and what its based off of, but I need to find out:) Can you import as target curve instead of PEQ filters?
The center is likely due to what you're saying and/or lobing from the MTM design. Your ELAC won't likely have that because of the concentric design.
Importing the filters = creating a target curve, just a different method. I'm curious if choosing a target curve results in more or less filters vs forcing 10 PEQ's. With the Pro version, we enable exporting to REW with the individual measurements as well as the target curve which can then be imported into MultEQ-X.
I wonder which would give more precision.
I think the target curve will be more accurate. I've done both ways and the PEQ method was never as good even with over 25 PEQs, it could never match the import target method. However, other room correction systems don't use Audyssey's import target curve feature. A target curve on other systems is a guide used to allow the system to EQ to that curve, but in Audyssey, it actually allows full control over a curve from start to finish. This is what makes Audyssey the best room correction software out there right now as far as I'm aware.@@joentell
@@hdmoviesource cool!. I'll have to do some thorough experiments with narrow filters
Filled out the form for beta fingers crossed
I expected a better looking setup from Techno Daddy
Really interesting that you use moving mic measurements 👍
I was taught by Charles Sprinkle at Kali Audio, formerly at Harman, and I love it! It results in reliable and repeatable measurements.
I think it looks a bit silly, but it’s easy to do and the results are reliable and repeatable.
it will introduce alot of room for user error. Any additional sound that person makes waving the wand around from their clothes, or body creaks and breathing will introduce errors to how it would calibrate.. Its a good idea if you could do it without the human input though
@bledarney1 The good thing is it can smooth out single minor disturbances when using "forever" averages when measuring.
A drawback is that it does not measure Decay, Impulse, Time and Phase related measurements.
After watching this video it left me somewhat confused. I have a Marantz Cinema 50 with Dirac Live and it just makes all the changes for me.
If I used your tool does it replace Dirac or on top of Dirac? Also how are the changes made on the Marantz? I also saw an option to export a target curve for Dirac. How does that work?
Hi! You would use this instead of Dirac.
Nice!! Why is the center channel off-center? What kind of towers are those? New or used?
The TV is off center...I think thta's the problem. Bad installation. The speakers are all new. Monolith Encore T6 towers and C6 Center.
I'm assuming Magic Beans will only be useful/work on recent AVR/Processors that except external calibration?
Hi! What AVR do you have? You can use the 10 band Eq settings and enter it into your AVR per speaker as well.
I see, okay. I have a Marantz SR 7010
Your place looks similar to my set up when I moved out. Keep your head up and keep moving forward.
What movie was that in the beginning?
Thanks, will do! That's the new Dune movie at the beginning.
software work for sony recievers?
Hope magic beans will be availible soon, exited to try it. I'm very happy with my sound but always in for improvement. Loud and bass is not always better, but that the system sounds good on lower volume is important too. Technodad great intro of Dune, it's my favorite demo intro. But it sounds great with your system, enjoy it!
Yup! Having a balanced system is better than a 'loud system.' In a lot of ways, loudness sounds like something is better, but that's not always the case. Before the Beans, there was more bass, but it was not balanced. After, the bass ended up being more impactful due to the balance.
Great video guys but so many long adverts breaking it up
I don't have control over what UA-cam does with ads...sorry though!
I can’t find your app
I have the 4800 and I don't have pre amp and I can't get config correctly , I only get to work the front speakers I have a 9.1.4 speaker layout
Hi! The Denon X4800H will only support 7.1.4 with an external amp.
@@TechnoDad thank you for the reply , in that case what avr would you recomend. Unless I know it may be a silly question can i connect 4 speakers to 2 speakers output ? The back ones.
Everyone should do what they feel is best for them, but for me its quality over quantity. What I mean by that is I'd rather have 5 high quality channels than more at a lesser quality. And that usually means not using a receiver. Even the best receivers can't come close to matching separate high quality amps or really good powered speakers. The only real downside is price. Not everyone can afford high end separates, so an all in one receiver can be a great option for some people. But I think a lot of what you're doing with the calibration software, is trying to overcome some of the weaknesses in the electronics.
Anyway, its just an option to consider if you can afford to spend more money on your system. All I have in my system is 5 high quality powered speakers connected to a very good HT preamp, and everyone who hears it says its the best system they're ever heard.
I know from past experience that some of you who rely heavily on specs will want to challenge me on what I just said. Its not an argument I'm willing to have. I don't go by specs. If you do, and are happy with the results, that's all that matters. Do whatever works for you. Personally, I don't put a lot of faith in specs because no 2 manufacturers measure their equipment the same way. There are no set standards the industry goes by. For example, if you take 10 different power amps made by different companies, all rated for the same amount of power, and measure those 10 amps the same way, every one would be different. That's why I tend to focus on results over specs.
I think you're missing the point of the video, but I do hear what you are saying. I've come from the world of separates (Marantz 7706, AV10, separate amplifiers, $1K each speakers) and as cool as all those things are, it does not have a direct correlation with sound performance. I got all those things for free to review, so spending money is not an issue. With proper speaker placement, and room treatment, you can get a pretty good sound. But...if you take it one step further and tune the system to your room, then you've entered a whole new world of immersion.
That's not to say the expensive stuff won't do that, but if you were to tune your expensive system to your room, you would get more out of it. That's the point of the video, tuning, no matter at what level of budget, will give you more performance out of your current gear.
@@TechnoDad I never said anything in the video was wrong. Any system will benefit from tuning regardless of cost. I've seen and heard many HT systems over the years, and I always prefer a simple 5 channel system built with high quality components, over more mainstream gear. That said, the extra channels when set up properly, can add some immersion over a 5 channel system. But that's just one aspect of sound quality. I really didn't want to get into specific brands because there are a lot of good brands out there. Not just the ones I own, or you own. However, I'm starting to think that maybe I should have given more info on my system, just for context. Everything I have is made by a company called Meridian. Its a small company that you've probably never heard of. But if you want to compare them to a company like Marantz, its a big step up. The sound that comes out of my 5 speakers is at a different level. I really don't like making statements like that, but to say anything else wouldn't be truthful. Given what it costs, it should be. And to be fair, the tittle of your video is, "My Home Theater Sounds Better Than Yours.". You have to expect some smart ass like me is going to see a tittle like that and feel compelled to respond.
Meridian is awesome what is your kit list?
Awesome video!!! I make those same sounds when I hear my system lol! Great to see you in good spirits!!! Merry Christmas!!!
Thank you. Happy Holidays!
Hi Chana, is it possible to ask your buddy if he can recommend an audio calibrator in New York ? I'm going to buy your disc, but I would like to have my system calibrated by a professional
Hi D-nice! Joe can do the calibration remotely, but it takes quite a while. He has an email form - technodad.biz/JNTBook
is there a way to import the room curve to YPAO (Yamaha CX A5100)?
I think it’s a bit more involved for Yamaha. I’ll have to check.
Im not sure what the difference is between dirac, audyssey and this? Dirac and audyssey are room dependant as well and can tweak the curves to what you like
Check out Joe’s video of pre and post in binaural. Be sure to use headphones - ua-cam.com/video/MWBKihvBBaA/v-deo.htmlsi=XnVcN-cfWrvokNPn
Dirac has updated their software to adjust the bass and treble of their target curves. They are room and speaker dependent, but they have to figure out what the speaker is doing using other methods since they don't measure nearfield. I think this method is superior.
@@joentell ok thank you I appreciate the reply
Can this work with the regular audyssey app?
I don't think so...you can enter the PEQ settings through the equalizer per speaker, but it's not as precise.
Sorry if you answered this already but was that the Audyssey mic that came with the receiver or the Audyssey ACM1-X calibrated mic suggested on the Audyssey multiEQ-X website? I'm not sure if these are the same or different mic?
Hi! Great question! The ACM1-X is definitely NOT the same as the mic supplied with your AVR. The ACM1-X is individually calibrated.
@TechnoDad okay and this what you used in the video along with the umic?
@@michaelmoxley7787 No, we just used the UMIK-1 for all measurements, that way we have consistency.
@@TechnoDad I thought you used the Audyssey mic for distances and delay though too?
Okay you used the Audyssey mic at timestamp 19:45. Joe says for levels and delay, but is this the ACM1-X mic or standard Audyssey mic?
This was awesome guys. How do I get you to come to my house and tune my mess up. Well done
Thank you for watching!
No acoustic paneling or wall treatments 😢
Nope…can’t do that in this space. At least there are a couple of rugs. They help, but I can’t do a whole lot here…maybe I can get a treatment above the headboard and disguise it as something else? I don’t know…
@@TechnoDad multi use rooms are tricky when it comes to wall treatment. The system looks like a killer setup, despite the constraints
This reminds me of watching Karate Kid, wax on, wax off!
Nice what movie is that
Dune - The remake from 2021