My Grandma sewed me a haversack out of leftover denim and sewed a bandanna inside for lining. I was five in 1972, been hooked on haversacks, knapsacks, and woods wandering ever since. Thanks. Cheers from the South Carolina Lowcountry!
I like the comradery between all of you. James Bender, Blackie Thomas, Sarge, and of course You Mr. Dyer! I've learned something new from each and every video. Thanks and Be Safe and Keep Up the Great Work!
A quick note to those just beginning to experiment with haversacks. The two places where they become unwieldy quickly are shape and weight. For a haversack to lay correctly on one’s hip it needs to be at least 2 inches longer than it is wide. Otherwise it’s more of a messenger bag. Per weight (and volume) an overpacked haversack easily becomes an un-ergonomic lump on one’s hip. (if memory serves that’s why Dave Canterbury isn’t the biggest fan) Also when overpacked they bounce annoyingly with every step. That’s why some soldiers placed their 1 inch canvas straps under their war belt.
Yay! I woke up at 5:35 this morning and after a day of laying new decking yesterday in very high humidity the first thing I thought was “Lord give me strength it’s gonna be hotter today.” Then Mr Dyer popped up in my queue and his enthusiasm already turned me around. I give sincere thanks for men like Sarge, James, Mr Dyer and Mr Thomas. I give thanks for my ozarks ancestors from whom I inherited the physicality to swing a hammer and hump heavy materials at 52.
The neckerchief is a good example of how far downhill the scouts went over the years. it was originally a very useful item, then they kept making them smaller and cheaper till they became an almost useless decoration.
@@rendezvous5784 It started out at 36 inches square, ended up being so small that you cannot use it as a sling if you are older than 12, they just kept making it cheaper and smaller. Scouts became all about the money, every decision became driven by membership.
@@rendezvous5784 if you go far enough all that was due to chasing the dollar. they didn't care about woke, they cared about making money. I was a district executive through some of that.
I am watching all the Blackie Thomas Challenge videos. Each one is very unique and adds so much information to the Haversack Knowledge out there. Thanks for another great vid.
21:57 late last year I came across a literal Boy Scouts “Bat belt” at a local antique store. Modeled after the WW1 webbing (for 5 round 1903 Springfield clips) it was closer to WW2 OD green in color and featured factory labeled pouches for compass, fire and first aid. There was also a wool canteen pouch, much like standard issue in WW2, and obvious holes for a knife frog or sheath of some sort. I imagined it was what 1 or 2 Scouts would have at the camp out while greatly envied by the rest of the Troop
👍👍👍 I agree with you 100% regarding a haversack and excessive weight (and bulk .. important). I have a small haversack which I use mainly when walking the Pooch in the Forest .. for carrying water, her foldable water bowl, 'doggie treats', collapsible umbrella and other odds and sods. Also, when desired, leather gloves and a hand-pruner (secateurs) to trim the over-abundance of brambles now, at this time of year, growing across our forest pathways. Also vegetation blocking the path which in all probability harbours ticks waiting to hitch a ride on anything brushing past. Not at all bulky or heavy, it sits behind my hip towards my back. Out of the way, but easy to swing around and access anything required. However, I find the 'imbalance' of one strap at times, inconvenient, especially when the content weight is up .. preferring the stability that a dual strap knapsack or rucksack gives. Yes, more 'difficult' to get at the contents but then, I am a 'boomer' (YOB 1950) and was raised not allowing stuff like that to get in the way 😏.
Awesome that you link to other UA-cam influencers. James Bender one of my favorites and I am thinking you are up there. Great info on the Haversack which I did not know
Thank you for the video, you brought back many memories of the stories from my grand father when he was an Eagle Scout in the 1920’s and a Scout Master in the 1940’s and 1950’s. He never said anything about using the haversack or pack, he said when they went hiking and camping they used to roll everything up in a wool blanket and carry or wear it as he called a horse collar. I guess they would lay it out on the blanket, roll it up with the stuff in it , then tie the ends together making like a horse collar and sling it across there body and carry there supplies that way. I think it would be nice to see a video on that type of laid carrying that scouts also used in that era.
It's cool you have that knowledge and history directly from his experience! Your description matches what I have mostly found in original photos. I hope your family still has his Eagle and stories like that continue to get passed down. Thank you for sharing with all of us!
Great video! I love seeing everyone's unique take on the challenge. I would love to see you discuss more of your views on the pipe and tobacco, as a smoker myself. All the differing opinions of the time are all very interesting. God bless you, Mr. Dyer.
Not at all! In fact I saw a tube at an antique mall from the 20's that I wish I had the money to grab when I saw it. Hopefully it is still there when I go back.
bearing in mind my atrocious memory, I was thinking of a UK product from 70s ? it was Scholl in a green and orange tube slightly thicker than a thumb maybe 5 inches long and was wondering if there was a period equivalent unfortunately for us modern guys it was discontinued they say it didn't sell now we have to buy it in huge plastic bottles ah progress 😂 @honorableoutfitters
It would appear you're missing part of your Upton cook kit. I've got a partial one, and have an ongoing project to replicate the cooking grate from it. I have (2) different fry pan bits, one of which has a flange that nests with the other for storage.
Great video, Eagle scout here class of 01'. What is the pack dimensions and model was used, cant find the pack online, i like the history of old scout gear
Here are the two videos I did that covered them brother Eagle: studio.ua-cam.com/users/videoWym8E4pek1Y/edit and studio.ua-cam.com/users/videoog07obdkSTw/edit I hope that helps!
I do! It's a solid antique tinned steel one that is about 4" in diameter and 6" tall. It's a big one but when I sit I hate getting up to refill my beverages, especially during meals. It's so large that if needed I can use it as a boiler. I only take it car camping though because of the weight.
Nice. Most people don't know that the Surgeon General said smoking was bad for your health in 1928. They studied WW1 soldiers for 10 years if I remember correctly. Kind of got buried with all the doctor recommended brands of cigarettes when radio and TV came along. By the way digging with a stick is much easier in wetter climates.
It was an early Boy Scout accessory sold in catalogues and shown in countless BSA pictures and propaganda...and quite useful : ua-cam.com/video/eM5x1y0t6ac/v-deo.htmlsi=sZSlto1GU7M4wI4G 😁
@@honorableoutfitters Thank you for taking the time to answer my question and referrer me to your videos. Learn something new all the time. Subscribed to your channel today.
COOKING STUFF..FOR HAVERSACK..I HAVE 2 100 YEAR ANNIVERSARY STERNO STOVES..NEED NO GREEN FUEL.. SIMPLY JUST FAT WOOD AND TINDER AND THE COOK PAN IT ALL FITS IN W TIN CUP...MY PREFERED SML KNIFE / MULTI TOOL .SWISS TOOL.
When I was a kid in the 80s my scout leaders smoked cigarettes and drank beer when we went camping. They might have been smoking weed too. We survived.
well done sir thanks for taking the challenge
Thanks for starting it! This is fun to watch each person's take on it!
You're amazing, Blackie.
My Grandma sewed me a haversack out of leftover denim and sewed a bandanna inside for lining.
I was five in 1972, been hooked on haversacks, knapsacks, and woods wandering ever since.
Thanks.
Cheers from the South Carolina Lowcountry!
I like the comradery between all of you. James Bender, Blackie Thomas, Sarge, and of course You Mr. Dyer! I've learned something new from each and every video. Thanks and Be Safe and Keep Up the Great Work!
A quick note to those just beginning to experiment with haversacks. The two places where they become unwieldy quickly are shape and weight. For a haversack to lay correctly on one’s hip it needs to be at least 2 inches longer than it is wide. Otherwise it’s more of a messenger bag. Per weight (and volume) an overpacked haversack easily becomes an un-ergonomic lump on one’s hip. (if memory serves that’s why Dave Canterbury isn’t the biggest fan) Also when overpacked they bounce annoyingly with every step. That’s why some soldiers placed their 1 inch canvas straps under their war belt.
Excellent addition of wisdom friend, thanks!
Yay! I woke up at 5:35 this morning and after a day of laying new decking yesterday in very high humidity the first thing I thought was “Lord give me strength it’s gonna be hotter today.” Then Mr Dyer popped up in my queue and his enthusiasm already turned me around. I give sincere thanks for men like Sarge, James, Mr Dyer and Mr Thomas. I give thanks for my ozarks ancestors from whom I inherited the physicality to swing a hammer and hump heavy materials at 52.
Thank you for the kindnesses and support brother!
The neckerchief is a good example of how far downhill the scouts went over the years. it was originally a very useful item, then they kept making them smaller and cheaper till they became an almost useless decoration.
The neckerchief is the least example of how far downhill the scouts have gone…
@@rendezvous5784 It started out at 36 inches square, ended up being so small that you cannot use it as a sling if you are older than 12, they just kept making it cheaper and smaller. Scouts became all about the money, every decision became driven by membership.
I was referring to the wokism, transism, DEI… after 36+ years of scouting, I had to bail out!
@@rendezvous5784 if you go far enough all that was due to chasing the dollar. they didn't care about woke, they cared about making money. I was a district executive through some of that.
Great Review, nice to see the stuff of old
I am watching all the Blackie Thomas Challenge videos. Each one is very unique and adds so much information to the Haversack Knowledge out there. Thanks for another great vid.
Thanks for watching brother!
21:57 late last year I came across a literal Boy Scouts “Bat belt” at a local antique store. Modeled after the WW1 webbing (for 5 round 1903 Springfield clips) it was closer to WW2 OD green in color and featured factory labeled pouches for compass, fire and first aid. There was also a wool canteen pouch, much like standard issue in WW2, and obvious holes for a knife frog or sheath of some sort. I imagined it was what 1 or 2 Scouts would have at the camp out while greatly envied by the rest of the Troop
That's cool! I've never seen one like that in person!
👍👍👍
I agree with you 100% regarding a haversack and excessive weight (and bulk .. important).
I have a small haversack which I use mainly when walking the Pooch in the Forest .. for carrying water, her foldable water bowl, 'doggie treats', collapsible umbrella and other odds and sods. Also, when desired, leather gloves and a hand-pruner (secateurs) to trim the over-abundance of brambles now, at this time of year, growing across our forest pathways. Also vegetation blocking the path which in all probability harbours ticks waiting to hitch a ride on anything brushing past.
Not at all bulky or heavy, it sits behind my hip towards my back. Out of the way, but easy to swing around and access anything required.
However, I find the 'imbalance' of one strap at times, inconvenient, especially when the content weight is up .. preferring the stability that a dual strap knapsack or rucksack gives.
Yes, more 'difficult' to get at the contents but then, I am a 'boomer' (YOB 1950) and was raised not allowing stuff like that to get in the way 😏.
Awesome that you link to other UA-cam influencers. James Bender one of my favorites and I am thinking you are up there. Great info on the Haversack which I did not know
I never went on a boy scout camping trip where didn't build a substantial fire. Thanks for bringing back those memories. Great video!!!
You are welcome! Large and perhaps even unnecessary fire building is part of the shared experience 😀
Thank you for the video, you brought back many memories of the stories from my grand father when he was an Eagle Scout in the 1920’s and a Scout Master in the 1940’s and 1950’s.
He never said anything about using the haversack or pack, he said when they went hiking and camping they used to roll everything up in a wool blanket and carry or wear it as he called a horse collar. I guess they would lay it out on the blanket, roll it up with the stuff in it , then tie the ends together making like a horse collar and sling it across there body and carry there supplies that way. I think it would be nice to see a video on that type of laid carrying that scouts also used in that era.
It's cool you have that knowledge and history directly from his experience! Your description matches what I have mostly found in original photos. I hope your family still has his Eagle and stories like that continue to get passed down. Thank you for sharing with all of us!
I do still have his Eagle and his 3 palms
Great video! I love seeing everyone's unique take on the challenge.
I would love to see you discuss more of your views on the pipe and tobacco, as a smoker myself. All the differing opinions of the time are all very interesting. God bless you, Mr. Dyer.
Speaking for scout leaders smoking, in the 90's while I was a youth the few leaders that did smoke would go off away from the troop.
Great job!
Great video. Good job. God bless. From Glenn CATT. In Massachusetts.
Thank you and blessings your way too my friend
Hafersack..... a german word... the sack in which oats used to be kept...
SWEET
Thanks!
Very cool video. Thanks.
You're welcome and thanks for watching!
What is that emblem with the crossed keys in background
What about a Canteen? Oops, I did not wait long enough :)
is your chosen period too early for a tube of medicated foot powder in your hygiene kit ?
Not at all! In fact I saw a tube at an antique mall from the 20's that I wish I had the money to grab when I saw it. Hopefully it is still there when I go back.
bearing in mind my atrocious memory, I was thinking of a UK product from 70s ? it was Scholl in a green and orange tube slightly thicker than a thumb maybe 5 inches long and was wondering if there was a period equivalent unfortunately for us modern guys it was discontinued they say it didn't sell now we have to buy it in huge plastic bottles ah progress 😂 @honorableoutfitters
Why bsa necker chef went smaller
These days most troops don't even wear them. They are ornamental more than anything if it is worn
It would appear you're missing part of your Upton cook kit. I've got a partial one, and have an ongoing project to replicate the cooking grate from it. I have (2) different fry pan bits, one of which has a flange that nests with the other for storage.
Nice! They sold two versions, a single and two man kit. Mine is a single. The two man kit also came with 2 cups
Great video, Eagle scout here class of 01'. What is the pack dimensions and model was used, cant find the pack online, i like the history of old scout gear
Here are the two videos I did that covered them brother Eagle: studio.ua-cam.com/users/videoWym8E4pek1Y/edit and studio.ua-cam.com/users/videoog07obdkSTw/edit I hope that helps!
Great video! One thing about smoking. They think it was a hygiene issue. That they almost took a bath in it!
Great video. Do you have a favorite cup or mug?
I do! It's a solid antique tinned steel one that is about 4" in diameter and 6" tall. It's a big one but when I sit I hate getting up to refill my beverages, especially during meals. It's so large that if needed I can use it as a boiler. I only take it car camping though because of the weight.
Nice. Most people don't know that the Surgeon General said smoking was bad for your health in 1928. They studied WW1 soldiers for 10 years if I remember correctly. Kind of got buried with all the doctor recommended brands of cigarettes when radio and TV came along. By the way digging with a stick is much easier in wetter climates.
Good points!
For whoever requested it. csts.ua.edu/files/2021/08/The-Surgeon-Generals-First-Report-on-Smoking-Health-Article-Luther-Terry-MD-NYSJM-1983-1.pdf
MUSETTE BAG
Scout guard rope ? I have not heard of this before could you please explain
It was an early Boy Scout accessory sold in catalogues and shown in countless BSA pictures and propaganda...and quite useful : ua-cam.com/video/eM5x1y0t6ac/v-deo.htmlsi=sZSlto1GU7M4wI4G 😁
ua-cam.com/video/H9ZiSw6bnJY/v-deo.htmlsi=7yYUEGOaVkrXrQDj
@@honorableoutfitters Thank you for taking the time to answer my question and referrer me to
your videos. Learn something new all the time. Subscribed to your channel today.
Always carry TP!
Depending on the time of year, there are plant leaves that more than meet that need.
@@ravenbarsrepairs5594If TP had been common, you better believe Grampa, and especially Gramma, would bring it.
True
I got a cek one
Does it work pretty well for you? Does it have multiple pockets or compartments?
Just a litte oneto put small stuffyou see the vid I did on here@honorableoutfitters
What part of Ohio are you located in?
About 40 minutes East of Columbus.
Ha ok not far from Mr Bender
COOKING STUFF..FOR HAVERSACK..I HAVE 2 100 YEAR ANNIVERSARY STERNO STOVES..NEED NO GREEN FUEL.. SIMPLY JUST FAT WOOD AND TINDER AND THE COOK PAN IT ALL FITS IN W TIN CUP...MY PREFERED SML KNIFE / MULTI TOOL .SWISS TOOL.
When I was a kid in the 80s my scout leaders smoked cigarettes and drank beer when we went camping. They might have been smoking weed too. We survived.
I was a Boy Scout back in the 70’s
Some big changes happened in the 70's and even more since!
Were you, are you still a Scouter ?
Yea it to bad the haver pack went by the way silde
Opossum Pouch Softgoods still make one if you are in the market. Hand made here in the USA too.
@@honorableoutfitters I know I have bought a shamog off him! Well it got stolen