Tractor 3rd Function / Diverter Not Working? Simple Solution HERE!!
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Fixing your stuck hydraulic value is easier than you think. Ken from Bolt on Hooks shows Tractor Time with Tim a trick that will fix the value most of the time.
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Just wanted to say thank you for bringing Ken onto your show to share his knowledge, and to Ken for taking the time to do it. I also found he was very responsive to email and gave me hope that I can get the rear float I need .... even when the dealer and local shops say it's not possible. Still trying to make it happen, but now I have hope thanks to Ken
Thanks Ken!
As for hose Cleaning. Go to your local Cat dealership and ask them to shoot projectiles threw a hose and let you see the foam projectiles. It is amazing how much gunk you will clean out. Contamination Control 101
I work in heavy equipment and I really hate when people use tape on pipe connections for hydraulic that gets in all those valves and makes them leak by
I always like seeing how things work. (Especially when they don’t work). Thanks to Tim, Ken and Christy for sharing your experience and wisdom. And, the livestream would be cool! Blessings to all.
will the hydraulic pressure be removed by moving valves with the engine off ? i'd hate to get pressurized fluid under my skin ?
Yes, engine off but valve powered. We covered this in a previous video.
@@kdeckster got it. engine off, electrics on, valve on, press the valve switch like moveing the loader lever. thanks.
Tim Ken so much information we all need this
God Bless All
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Very informative video. Thank you Ken and Tim.
Now I know more... Thanks.
This is great information to know!
Nice to see you here, 2 of my favorite you tubers here together.
@Steven, yes, I consider Suzanne a good friend. She is a wonderful person!
@@stephendixon4619 we always run into each other at tractor shows! They are great people we always look forward to seeing at shows 😄🥰
Great video Tim and Ken. Ken has warned of this often on GTT. Great explanation and walkthrough 👍👍
Thanks!
I bought a 2 valve setup from summit last spring, hoping to eliminate the need to change the hoses for my hydraulic lift for the mower deck. It leaks down very fast, like 20 seconds. I've been communicating with Ryan at summit, the only help he has given is to buy a check valve for $100.00. How difficult would it be to rebuild the valves. My thought was to get a valve from Surplus Supply for $119.95, if it's not rebuildable.
Ryan would know.
Awesome information 👍🏻
Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like there is a bit of a misunderstanding on one part here. The hydraulic pressure in the system does not move the valve nor does it assist in moving the valve. Only the electric coil moves the valve. Now that's not to say that if the valve was partially stuck in one position applying pressure won't assist in getting unstuck (however unlikely) but it does not assist in moving the valve back and forth under normal operation. If the valve is stuck in one position all the pressure in the tractor won't help as the fluid is just passing through the valve. In fact if you have pressure in the system, say the system is in bypass, that may actually prevent the valve from moving. Another issue you may encounter is corrosion between the electric solenoid and the valve body this can insulate the valve and weaken magnetic field and prevent the valve from moving. Great video Tim and Ken, it's a great service to the tractor population.
So you are saying it's okay to use the valve with nothing hooked up so you are deadheading it didn't think that was highly recommended for any hydraulics... Put a lot of pressure in the lines with nowhere to go 🤔 I'll just keep trusting my own judgment I guess
Ken has a wealth of knowledge 👍🏻, thanks for the tip on activating the diverter even though nothing is connected. Great video Tim, Christy and Ken 👍🏻🙋🏼♂️
Great job. I feel like I would be more prepared if I had this type of issue now
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DELIVERS!! Very informative. Many thanks!
Great information about 3rd function valves. So true about use, or lack of use on the valve.
Thanks guys and Christy. Good close ups.
I just ordered my 3rd function valve this week. This is great information to have, so I can hopefully avoid having it lock up.
Oh man. 😂 that laugh at 11:07 was amazing
Good video ! Do one on changing oil filter on Gator XVU diesel ! Not a easy task
Hey guys: That was a great segment. Well done! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks!
Question for you both. If you operate a valve but don’t have something connected won’t that make it more difficult to plug into that valve?
After operating it with engine running, operate it again with engine off (but power on). This will relieve pressure.
Tim and Ken. I have a 2019 1025R with the Artillian Plow and Pallet Rack with the Artillian Diverter mounted to the right hand side of the loader. I would very much like to get the Single Point Hydraulics because I have a lot of trouble mounting/dismounting my loader. I don't have the hand/arm strength to manipulate those fittings like I used to. Yes, I always relieve pressure, but I still run into problems almost every time I do this.
Eventually I would also like to install Power Beyond so I could have a hydraulic top link on my three point hitch - that would really help with my tiller, landscape rake, etc.
My question: Will the single point setup work with the Artillian Diverter mounted on the loader? It looks like it would be really tight or I would have to move the diverter someplace. Also, what about hoses? I don't see anything on line explaining how to do this.
Thanks, Guys. Love TTWT and Ken is the greatest - I have all kinds of his stuff!
Put the diverter on the outside of the loader. Or make your own bracket to move it forward on the loader.
There is a guy on GTT that has both. Did involve some custom work though
One more video and I think that Ken will have the ending down. Great information from the hydraulic world of tractors.
You two are awesome for doing this! Thanks for demystifying the diverter valve.
I only have OE hydraulics on my red tractor. However, I find this series to be very informative and interesting. I did purchase the hydraulic red dye and now the fluid level in the sight glass can be seen from several feet away. Even tried the WD-40 treatment on the couplers. If I ever decide to add a 3rd function, I know where I will be shopping.
Did you see the orange debris in the spool at 4:17? It’s on the left o-ring, you can just see it for a few seconds. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Great video. Ken is very knowledgeable.
Is there supposed to be oil under neath the white cap? Kubota L4701
I like that guy.
Ken is the definition of "layman's terms" and I really appreciate that. Thanks for being on Ken and for having him on Tim/finance committee!
great vid! keep up the strong work!!
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P.S. I'm starting to think there is a cheeseburger connection here.....
Great information Tim & Ken
Would a coating of electrical grease on the solinoid exterior help with the external corrosion?
Do you also check the coil to be sure it is creating a magnetic field. These instructional videos are useful and enjoyable. Thanks.
Good point!
Also it is that magnetic field created by the coil that changes the hydraulic fluid direction change, not the hydraulic fluid. The hydraulic pressure agains that valve should be very near if not zero when the switch is pressed as the control valve should not be operating to that function while you press the switch. If you are operating the lever, then the magnetic field must overcome the operating pressure of the hydraulic fluid (approximately 2000psi).
It certainly does overcome the full hydraulic pressure, as I rapidly push and release the button while normally while holding the hydraulic lever open…creating a curl/clamp/curl/clamp alternating function.
@@TractorTimewithTim then as I said the magnetic field must produce enough for e to overcome that pressure.
But when ‘stuck’ is that how you continue to operate it?
Unfortunately, the magnetic field is not sufficient to move it when it is stuck. That is the point of the video.
@@TractorTimewithTim I meant just to be sure it is working in case that is the problem. I do not believe they make a noise. You were being very thorough and I was thinking it would be east to put a piece of metal close to see if there was magnetic field. Just a thought.
Have a question around the 3rd function kits. I have the opportunity to purchase the Deere kit for 3rd function or would you recommend I go with A 3rd function diverter kit like you have. I would love your thoughts. Thank you.
Either way is fine.
I have a hydrolic scissor lift off from a military truck. Pump is Parker. Can get it to power up but not down. Any ideas where prob might be?
I’m sorry that I cannot help.
This hydraulic series is great. Please keep them coming.PS: I have bought many of Ken’s products via your reviews. Great stuff and service. Highly recommend.
Thanks!
Great info thank you.
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This is exactly what I needed. Bought a Summit tractor from Atwoods, and they obviously didn't prep the tractor, needed grease, and fix some hydraulic leaks. The diverter was obviously not used because they probably didn't even know how to turn it on, nevertheless cycle hydraulics. So, just like the video said, pushed the diverter spool valve with a small flat head screwdriver (that you use for electronics or toys or something), valve got stuck in the spool, cycled hydraulics by using third function, popped out, did that a few times, checked o-rings, and eventually it worked. Note, when you do it right, it feels squishy the first couple times, then after some pressure is built up in the diverter the valve goes from squishy to pushing back at you. There is a little resistance there, so you know you did it right.
As an update....I was having trouble with my Wicked 55" grapple closing but not opening on my 2038R with a Summit Third Function kit installed after previously working great three weeks before. After watching this video I disassembled the valve and polished up the sliding spool using a Dremel tool with a felt polishing wheel. It worked great after reassembling and had great crushing force on closing the grapple.
Thanks Ken and Tim. Pulled the 1025r out today to cut the grass with it and sure enough spool valve for mower lift stuck. This video pointed me right at the issue. BIG THANK YOU!!!
Installed my 3rd function and now my 3 point don’t work
Ok, well, that is fixable, but many questions to diagnose. Perhaps more than can be handled in this format.
My JD3039R dealer installed 3rd function was inoperable when I went to use it. The information in this video was all I needed to unstick the spool valve. Thank you
Thanks for the video, I had to solve this problem today on my 3038e, my valve is a slightly different model than yours but I was able to follow the same steps and principles and voilà! Problem solved!
Thanks for the tip, I had a third function valve added (2019 2025R) when I bought a used tractor from the local Deere dealer and then a bought a new grapple from them several weeks later, the grapple didn't work at first and after watching this video I took the diverter apart and it works great now after freeing it up. Thanks very much!
Only the magnet is acting on the valve, the 2000psi fluid will push against the face of the closed valve but won't act to actually work to move that valve. The magnets will also get corrosion along the shaft and can wear out losing power over time. They aren't hard to work on at least 👍
Great troubleshooting video. I am having trouble with my Summit third function closing but not opening. This will get me going on troubleshooting the issue.
As always Tim, great content. I went to connect up my Summit Hydraulics 3rd function plow setup on my 1023e today. Have not used it since last winter. I do on occasion press the trigger on my joy stick, but I still had the problem. I knew the red light came on but wanted to test the coil to make sure it was OK, so I took it off and put a screw driver near it while pulling the trigger and it did attract the screw driver so I knew it was OK and I had the same problem you guys described. It took several iterations of pushing the plunger down as you and Ken showed but eventually it started working. Thanks to you and Ken for you continued help
Thank you for this video. Extremely helpful and fixed my problem!
Super helpful. Thank you for helping me understand my problem and my solenoid configuration!
I activate my 3rd function everytime I use my tractor and it still gets stuck. This video will help me fix it.
Am I the only one who is amazed at how small the openings are for the diverter and oil flow, it kind of crazy that so little oil can do so much work! Thanks so much Ken for sharing your knowledge!
When you push and it won't pop back out is it time for a new one?
Nope. It should pop back out when you apply hydraulic pressure…with the electric switch.
I really get a lot of great information from your videos. THANKS
My land pride is stuck in the open position, if I click the open button I can here it but the close button make no noise whatsoever. Maybe cleaning the valves is a good idea?
Yep.
@@TractorTimewithTim thanks I'll give it a try tomorrow.
I like the direction you've taken. I do miss the tractors in action, but it really makes a difference to have a true professional show the "how and why".
Thanks
Bob
Good video now that you did that valve can you do a video on fixing a hydraulic valve on a log splitter
That was quite informative. Thank you very much
Great video Tim. Is there one hydraulic fluid better than the other ?
Thanks for this very informative series of videos. It really helps to understand how the hydraulics work because they are so key to most things we do with our tractors.
These have been a great series. I’ve learned a great deal. Thanks Guys
New subscriber who is looking for his first tractor (just purchased 91 acers! wish me luck...ahhhh!!!! lol) and just wanted to say your videos have been helpful and your guest in this one, Ken, is obviously very knowledgeable as well as articulate which makes it enjoyable as well as informative. Thanks...
Welcome Roger! Congratulations on your new property. Hopefully our videos can help you learn about all types of equipment for managing your new property!
Great info! Thanks for sharing
Great video! Thanks
The oil doesnt move the "plunger", the magnetic field generated by the coil moves it.
Isn't that what I said??
Good video and informative
Ken is the Man.
Ken is a smart guy.
Great to listen to an expert!
So, the grapple on om my JD 3025e stopped working when clearing a giant beech thaat fell on my landscaping. I took the 3rd function diverter apart thinking i had an elecrrical issue (no response from the controller). Long story short- check fluid levels first!!! This stuff doesnt work without fluid pressure and if theres no fluid....
Uhoh!