Doesn’t Ulalek copy the cast triggers too? So elder deep fiend would tap 8 permanents if I paid the two colorless from ulalek. I thought it was weird why Ulalek had the wall of text, but the cast triggers make sense that it’s doubled through Ulalek
Yes this is true - You copy the "trigger" ability too - so Yes you will exile 2x4 cards with Oblivion Sower. On top of that he can take lands that people exile them self etc. - its not amazing, and for sure its not bad idea to CUT it - but its not that bad, so You can easly keep it in, if You prefer it (i would say even better if you have more "big" Eldrazy so the 10+ mana is more importent).
Sorry man it doesn’t work that way, when your copying the spell you don’t get an additional cast trigger because although you copied the spell itself you didn’t do an additional casting to re trigger the casting ability
@@loganwesley9629 But ulalake copy the triggers too. This is Why you get them ;) Yes you will not get "extra" from the copy the spell, but You will copy the tirggers too - so its pretty much work, like you would cast them 2nd time ;)
Im curious as to why no one is suggesting Prgenitor's Icon for this deck. It can tap for any color which is nice in this pseudo rainbow deck and it's ability to let you cast eldrazi creatures at instant speed will let you flash in eldrazis during things like attack triggers so you can double them with said triggers with Umalek!
Because flashing in 7 mana creature means your holding up 7 mana. That's not very good. Also most of the decks is still cooler less or wastes. If you look at the actual deck list you'd see that you don't require a ton of colored mana.
@NekoSauce definitely disagree with you there. Almost every spell in the deck has a larger "any mana" cost than colorless so it's fine to have a color rock, and just cause you're casting at flash speed doesn't mean you need to hold up any mana. Just cast the spell on your turn, but during an attack trigger or something to make full use of Ulalek's copy.
@@NekoSaucebut you can double all the scions and spawn use them to flash your 7 cost. But I agree I think people are over hyping the flash in this. It's allot of hoops to jump through when you can go for on cast triggers like up the beanstalk and monstrous vortex. But I'm not the greatest player so maybe I'm just talking crazy!
I hear you say you don't get the cast trigger again with Ulalek because the copy isn't cast. However, you do still get the extra trigger; it just isn't from the copy. Part of Ulalek's ability is "copy all activated and triggered abilities you control." Well, "when you cast this spell" is a trigger, per the keyword "when." It is on the stack in that moment of activating Ulalek.
You do tap 8, not 4 with elder deep fiend if you pay for the ulalek trigger because you will also copy the cast trigger on the stack assuming you order your triggers correctly. Not saying it’s got to stay in the deck but I thought it was worth mentioning
@@zedhuckle9641 correct. cast elder deep fiend, i get a cast trigger and an ulalek trigger. i will put them on the stack so the ulalek trigger is on top and resolves first. i pay and copy the spell and the cast trigger (which is an ability of the elder deep fiend). Now you put an extra elder deep fiend on the stack and THEN the copied cast trigger on top (because for some reason ulalek is worded that way)
Darksteel Monolith paired with something like Skittering Cicada or Liberator, Urza's Battlethopter is just crazy good. You can cast your colorless spells for free, even in your opponents turns.
You guys HAVE to make an upgrade guide with no money restriction for this deck. There’s just too many great cards you can add since it is 5 color and I think a TON of people would like to see it.
Agree! I got lucky and pulled an extra of each of the three eldrazi titans from MH3 pack and have a leftover Ulamog infinite. Would love to see what they could do without restrictions and being able to add cards like those into the deck.
16:52. It doesn't matter that you don't cast the copy, you still get 8 taps since you're copying the trigger too. It can be good to use in the endstep of the turn before yours to tap someones whole board down and prevent blocking. Another use for this is to basically take a turn away from someone by tapping 8 of their lands in their upkeep, though that's pretty niche. That being said, yeah I agree with it not being in the deck
16:25 imagine you're swinging with Ulamog and flash Elder Deep-Fiend on attack! Pay the 2 for Ulalek and now you get to 2 Deep-Fiends, tap up to 8 target permanents, AND get to double that attack trigger from Ulamog and exile 40 cards off their deck! I think any Eldrazi with flash and a cast trigger is too good for this deck to cut.
Im making sure to put Ulamog, the Defiler into mine. That thing is too insane not too. I know the old Ulamog is good too but daaaaaamn that new one. I also swapped out the basic lands for all of the Triomes just as a yolo. roaming throne also to be is a must, since it will copy the ability again so you will get three triggers of whatever you are copying with the commander, then Ugin Spirit Dragon also just for the hell of it. Then of course Dark Depths for the combo with Mutated Cultist to play that Ulamog The Defiler for free.
I'm surprised that monstrous vortex isn't up for consideration. As long as you get one of the eldrazis that make 2 scions as a cast trigger on the stack, you could pretty much cast the entire deck as long as you have a decent amount of eldrazis in the deck.
I’m adding Zhuludok, Basalt Monolith, Regeneration Restored for sure. I’m gonna actually take the advice on the card draw for temur ascendency and up the beanstalk
Elder Deep-Fiend does tap 8 permanents if copied... not because the copy gets a cast trigger but bc the cast trigger is on the stack when you resolve Ulalek's trigger... No?
i think building this deck with high cmc is a trap. to me this deck seems more low cost copy/spawns & scions. high cmc eldrazis have more synergy with zhulodock
I was surprised they didn’t include Conduit in either decks.. Hey look at Ulamogs dread sire this way. Your opponent can’t just sacrifice a token to it- it has to be something of mana. It’s not that great but it’s a better way to look at it
If you had limited funds and both decks... would you upgrade the old colorless precon with parts from this or upgrade the 5 color precon with parts from the colorless precon? Got both and wana upgrade atleast 1 if not botj but i think they are funa use alot of the same parts right?
I was gonna preorder this deck, but WotC has left it out of stock on Amazon for like 6 weeks now? Maybe longer? I'm sure my LGS will def be trying to scalp it for $150-200, so I'll probably just grab the singles I want from this deck and the main set to update my Zhulodok. There's some great cards in the deck, but nothing to justify the insane price. I have a feeling a lot of those folks who pre-ordered this at the scalped prices are feeling really dumb after the full deck list was spoiled.
Throw the amazon precon on a tab in safari and keep checking it ive seen it for 70 3 times in the past 2 days and it goes fast but yeah snagged it for 77.
Played my brother tonight. 1v1. 30 hp. I had this and he had creative energy. He won 2-1. I didn't know how to pilot it. It was a legit fun deck. It would be terrifying in 4 v 4.
I think Forsaken Monument would be a fantastic addition. Cheap card that does a lot of work. Ramp, anthem effect, and life gain. With the right support, it shouldn't be difficult to cast turn 2. Easy turn 3. For my big money additions, Im definitely adding Mana Vault and/or and Ancient Tomb.
Ulalek copies all triggers on the stack...INCLUDING CAST TRIGGERS How do people not get this. "then copy all other activated and triggered abilities you control" CAST ARE TRIGGERED ABILITIES
Hello, love the videos! Anyone tried playing with this upgrade? Are the 100 worth it? I tried the 300 upgrade guide for the knights decks and it was amazing
I feel like cutting bonder's enclave is kinda silly. Having card draw on a land is a huge bonus considering that its basically 0 deckbuilding cost. I would cut the basic wastes in this deck over bonder's enclave every day
You could tap Ulamog's Dreadsire on the turn of your opponent, to have 2 10/10 Eldrazi on the field, that card its nuts in this deck so I dont really know why are you saying that I have to wait to my next turn, you have to check the rules!
You can. Put Mirror Box and Mirror Gallery into your deck. Its a shame that those two cards always get ignored. And both have the great Legend as the art on it, the one that was sadly so ignored in Neon Dynasty.
Cast echoes, copy it with commander. Next turn play Roaming throne, choose eldrazi. Next turn cast Kozilek, Butcher of Truth. Put a sword of selves (which says that "equipped creature has Myriad) and equip it to Kozilek. Next turn swing with Kozilek, flash in a cheap eldrazi and pay two to copy the stack. Then you win because you've lost all your friends!
@@dillonfeazel3117 with Myriad (blade of selves) you would create the tokens that are an exact copy of Kozilek... and correct me if I'm wrong but you have to choose between the tokens (before attack resolves) or the original Kozilek plus 2 tokens since the legend rule still applies. You would end up with one attacker... no extra draws since the tokens were not cast and no graveyard shuffling unless you keep one of the tokens and sacrifice the original Kozilek. Is this wrong? If not I see no advantage in all those turns to end up with one Kozilek attacking.
What is the point of the host of this channel lmao. He just agrees with everything the actual deck builder does and says the same 4 things over and over… yeah have to agree this card is a great include…yeah have to agree and not sure why is wasn’t included in precon, yeah man have to agree to this card it going to to go nuts, yeah man have to agree I really Like this card in this deck… so annoying lol
Doesn’t Ulalek copy the cast triggers too? So elder deep fiend would tap 8 permanents if I paid the two colorless from ulalek.
I thought it was weird why Ulalek had the wall of text, but the cast triggers make sense that it’s doubled through Ulalek
Yes this is true - You copy the "trigger" ability too - so Yes you will exile 2x4 cards with Oblivion Sower. On top of that he can take lands that people exile them self etc. - its not amazing, and for sure its not bad idea to CUT it - but its not that bad, so You can easly keep it in, if You prefer it (i would say even better if you have more "big" Eldrazy so the 10+ mana is more importent).
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Sorry man it doesn’t work that way, when your copying the spell you don’t get an additional cast trigger because although you copied the spell itself you didn’t do an additional casting to re trigger the casting ability
@@loganwesley9629 But ulalake copy the triggers too. This is Why you get them ;) Yes you will not get "extra" from the copy the spell, but You will copy the tirggers too - so its pretty much work, like you would cast them 2nd time ;)
Im curious as to why no one is suggesting Prgenitor's Icon for this deck. It can tap for any color which is nice in this pseudo rainbow deck and it's ability to let you cast eldrazi creatures at instant speed will let you flash in eldrazis during things like attack triggers so you can double them with said triggers with Umalek!
Oooo didn’t think about that card
Because flashing in 7 mana creature means your holding up 7 mana. That's not very good. Also most of the decks is still cooler less or wastes. If you look at the actual deck list you'd see that you don't require a ton of colored mana.
@NekoSauce definitely disagree with you there. Almost every spell in the deck has a larger "any mana" cost than colorless so it's fine to have a color rock, and just cause you're casting at flash speed doesn't mean you need to hold up any mana. Just cast the spell on your turn, but during an attack trigger or something to make full use of Ulalek's copy.
@@NekoSaucebut you can double all the scions and spawn use them to flash your 7 cost.
But I agree I think people are over hyping the flash in this.
It's allot of hoops to jump through when you can go for on cast triggers like up the beanstalk and monstrous vortex.
But I'm not the greatest player so maybe I'm just talking crazy!
I hear you say you don't get the cast trigger again with Ulalek because the copy isn't cast. However, you do still get the extra trigger; it just isn't from the copy. Part of Ulalek's ability is "copy all activated and triggered abilities you control." Well, "when you cast this spell" is a trigger, per the keyword "when." It is on the stack in that moment of activating Ulalek.
You do tap 8, not 4 with elder deep fiend if you pay for the ulalek trigger because you will also copy the cast trigger on the stack assuming you order your triggers correctly. Not saying it’s got to stay in the deck but I thought it was worth mentioning
So it can copy cast triggers?
You just say "with the cast trigger on the stack I will pay 2 to use my commanders ability"?
@@zedhuckle9641 correct. cast elder deep fiend, i get a cast trigger and an ulalek trigger. i will put them on the stack so the ulalek trigger is on top and resolves first. i pay and copy the spell and the cast trigger (which is an ability of the elder deep fiend). Now you put an extra elder deep fiend on the stack and THEN the copied cast trigger on top (because for some reason ulalek is worded that way)
@danielackerman5774 Thanks for the clarification mate 👍
Morophon + Fist of Suns + Mystic Forge
All colorless spells are now free to cast, both from hand, and off the top of your deck.
Merry Christmas.
Mystic Forge only let's you cast artifacts, right?
@@trentotts "You may cast artifact spells and colorless spells from the top of your library."
Darksteel Monolith paired with something like Skittering Cicada or Liberator, Urza's Battlethopter is just crazy good.
You can cast your colorless spells for free, even in your opponents turns.
You guys HAVE to make an upgrade guide with no money restriction for this deck. There’s just too many great cards you can add since it is 5 color and I think a TON of people would like to see it.
Agree! I got lucky and pulled an extra of each of the three eldrazi titans from MH3 pack and have a leftover Ulamog infinite. Would love to see what they could do without restrictions and being able to add cards like those into the deck.
16:52. It doesn't matter that you don't cast the copy, you still get 8 taps since you're copying the trigger too. It can be good to use in the endstep of the turn before yours to tap someones whole board down and prevent blocking. Another use for this is to basically take a turn away from someone by tapping 8 of their lands in their upkeep, though that's pretty niche.
That being said, yeah I agree with it not being in the deck
You might want to go over this again since you are able to copy the creature and the cast triggers using the commander.
We mentioned everything on the stack is doubled. Some cards just needed to be taken out to make room for what we wanted! 😄
16:25 imagine you're swinging with Ulamog and flash Elder Deep-Fiend on attack! Pay the 2 for Ulalek and now you get to 2 Deep-Fiends, tap up to 8 target permanents, AND get to double that attack trigger from Ulamog and exile 40 cards off their deck! I think any Eldrazi with flash and a cast trigger is too good for this deck to cut.
Thats exactly why i think Vedalkin Orrery is almost a must include.
Yeah I’ve not seen a single UA-camr get the Ulalek trigger right so far xd
17:10 can't you copy the cast ability on the stack tho? Since its a trigger ability
It might be risky, but I think mana maze would be good in this deck. But we need to add based on the final list
Im making sure to put Ulamog, the Defiler into mine. That thing is too insane not too. I know the old Ulamog is good too but daaaaaamn that new one. I also swapped out the basic lands for all of the Triomes just as a yolo. roaming throne also to be is a must, since it will copy the ability again so you will get three triggers of whatever you are copying with the commander, then Ugin Spirit Dragon also just for the hell of it. Then of course Dark Depths for the combo with Mutated Cultist to play that Ulamog The Defiler for free.
The new Ulamog is so great! Just couldn’t fit it in here with a $100 budget
I'm surprised that monstrous vortex isn't up for consideration. As long as you get one of the eldrazis that make 2 scions as a cast trigger on the stack, you could pretty much cast the entire deck as long as you have a decent amount of eldrazis in the deck.
cool to see connor again, hadnt seen ya since BLTTP, hope yer doin good!
Kozilek's unsealing goes hard with ulalek. Not seeing many people mention it as an include to the deck.
I’m adding Zhuludok, Basalt Monolith, Regeneration Restored for sure. I’m gonna actually take the advice on the card draw for temur ascendency and up the beanstalk
So I want to add emrakul the world anew to this deck what card would you guys recommend swapping for it
So will you guys be releasing the back up commander video later? And Patreon’s get early access?
Elder Deep-Fiend does tap 8 permanents if copied... not because the copy gets a cast trigger but bc the cast trigger is on the stack when you resolve Ulalek's trigger... No?
i think building this deck with high cmc is a trap. to me this deck seems more low cost copy/spawns & scions. high cmc eldrazis have more synergy with zhulodock
I was surprised they didn’t include Conduit in either decks..
Hey look at Ulamogs dread sire this way.
Your opponent can’t just sacrifice a token to it- it has to be something of mana. It’s not that great but it’s a better way to look at it
If you had limited funds and both decks... would you upgrade the old colorless precon with parts from this or upgrade the 5 color precon with parts from the colorless precon? Got both and wana upgrade atleast 1 if not botj but i think they are funa use alot of the same parts right?
I was gonna preorder this deck, but WotC has left it out of stock on Amazon for like 6 weeks now? Maybe longer? I'm sure my LGS will def be trying to scalp it for $150-200, so I'll probably just grab the singles I want from this deck and the main set to update my Zhulodok. There's some great cards in the deck, but nothing to justify the insane price. I have a feeling a lot of those folks who pre-ordered this at the scalped prices are feeling really dumb after the full deck list was spoiled.
It’s unfortunate due to the fact Eldrazi are so popular that the prices of the deck are inflated to the point that it’s at.
I got one for $130 at my LGS on pre order
Throw the amazon precon on a tab in safari and keep checking it ive seen it for 70 3 times in the past 2 days and it goes fast but yeah snagged it for 77.
Played my brother tonight. 1v1. 30 hp. I had this and he had creative energy. He won 2-1. I didn't know how to pilot it. It was a legit fun deck. It would be terrifying in 4 v 4.
Im thinking about using Ulalek as a big baddie/cascade deck and take Azlask in a scion/spawn flood direction
hell yea, GTM is back
I think Forsaken Monument would be a fantastic addition. Cheap card that does a lot of work. Ramp, anthem effect, and life gain. With the right support, it shouldn't be difficult to cast turn 2. Easy turn 3. For my big money additions, Im definitely adding Mana Vault and/or and Ancient Tomb.
Forsaken Monument comes in the precon
It's already in the deck
It's in the precon
Can we start seeing these upgrades with like $500-$1000 budgets.
Ulalek copies all triggers on the stack...INCLUDING CAST TRIGGERS
How do people not get this.
"then copy all other activated and triggered abilities you control"
CAST ARE TRIGGERED ABILITIES
With these cut would you guys say would it be better to buy the singles or find the precon somewhere for $70?
Hello, love the videos! Anyone tried playing with this upgrade? Are the 100 worth it? I tried the 300 upgrade guide for the knights decks and it was amazing
I feel like cutting bonder's enclave is kinda silly. Having card draw on a land is a huge bonus considering that its basically 0 deckbuilding cost. I would cut the basic wastes in this deck over bonder's enclave every day
You could tap Ulamog's Dreadsire on the turn of your opponent, to have 2 10/10 Eldrazi on the field, that card its nuts in this deck so I dont really know why are you saying that I have to wait to my next turn, you have to check the rules!
Timeless lotus?
Ulalek does not copy conduit of ruins cost reduction ability, since it's not an activated or triggered ability, right? Am I missing something?
Ulalek can make two copies of Conduit of Ruins. So two on the field makes things 4 mana cheaper!
@@GuysThatMagic thanks for the fast reply, totally missed that! Great guide 👍
Nice recomendations
Gotta snag all these before everyone drives the cost up
Question, will Spreading Plague trigger when you play an eldrazi with devoid? Devoid makes them colorless sooo..?
Because they are colorless, they do not have a color. This means it won't trigger Spreading Plague
Spreading Plague 🤗
What if u copy Echoes of Eternity with Ulalke, I cant imagine how chaotic is going to be if u copied 2 or more of that.
It would be crazy!
You can.
Put Mirror Box and Mirror Gallery into your deck.
Its a shame that those two cards always get ignored.
And both have the great Legend as the art on it, the one that was sadly so ignored in Neon Dynasty.
Cast echoes, copy it with commander. Next turn play Roaming throne, choose eldrazi. Next turn cast Kozilek, Butcher of Truth. Put a sword of selves (which says that "equipped creature has Myriad) and equip it to Kozilek. Next turn swing with Kozilek, flash in a cheap eldrazi and pay two to copy the stack. Then you win because you've lost all your friends!
@@dillonfeazel3117 with Myriad (blade of selves) you would create the tokens that are an exact copy of Kozilek... and correct me if I'm wrong but you have to choose between the tokens (before attack resolves) or the original Kozilek plus 2 tokens since the legend rule still applies. You would end up with one attacker... no extra draws since the tokens were not cast and no graveyard shuffling unless you keep one of the tokens and sacrifice the original Kozilek.
Is this wrong? If not I see no advantage in all those turns to end up with one Kozilek attacking.
@vinisouza you're right. So equip it to Artisan of Kozilek. Non-legendary with annihilator 2.
I feel like idol of oblivion would’ve been great
What is the point of the host of this channel lmao. He just agrees with everything the actual deck builder does and says the same 4 things over and over… yeah have to agree this card is a great include…yeah have to agree and not sure why is wasn’t included in precon, yeah man have to agree to this card it going to to go nuts, yeah man have to agree I really
Like this card in this deck… so annoying lol
The person that is hosting is learning about the deck at the same time as the audience.