MODERN HORIZONS 3 cEDH SET REVIEW PART 1 - WHITE, BLUE, RED, AND BLACK CARDS
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Dylan, Cam, and Tyler discuss the white, blue, red, and black cards from Modern Horizons 3 that may impact cEDH
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Tyler needs to be on more.
The three personality dynamic takes the channel from great to outstanding.
Couldn’t agree more
Yeah, I like his perspective too!
I like how they are happy and he is grumpy
The kinnan player not mentioning how consign to memory only hits one ring while he prays we don't remember Basalt monolith is colorless
Harbinger also makes Carpet of Flowers nuts lol
Harbinger in Hakbal stax is so good. I love it ^^ I am the only one who plays that deck though ahahah
Reading Carpet
Damn true that. Never thought of that
@@mirkomigliavacca9894I love Hakbal. The minute I saw harbinger spoiled I knew I’d want it for the deck.
I come to watch magic, I stay to see cam get confused and disoriented
And mispronouncing cards don’t forget that!!
@@kstandish42tegrid
Bwahahaha! It's so true...
Jajajajajaja cam is so funny
I come for the debate, i stay cuz everything is time walk
Having played with Ashling for quite awhile in Krark Saka, this card is BERSERK. An absolutely deranged piece of cardboard. I'll be curious to see how the Ashling (in the zone) + Fury Storm deck does! And Pinnacle Monk creates a couple of deterministic loops, which rules. For Krark Saka, ultimately, I think that Flare, Ashling, and the MDFCs stick-with results pending on all the other stuff (including Powerbalance).
First big fan and really apprentice all the work you ya done for the deck As a krark saka player I’m curious I feel like there aren’t enough red creatures to sac DRC Monkey and dockside that’s all is it really worth to sac the Krark for flare and if I may ask what’s the deterministic loop with monk and how do you feel about Ral
Twin-Turbo Ashling is 🔥
Wow glad Cam saw me here, I was getting nervous they would just sit in silence unless I said something.
The black tutor creature seems good with saw in half, it can fetch up both thoracle and consult or any other A+B without having to pass the turn.
A few krark notes: Ashling is cracked in half in the deck considering how she interacts with cards like twinflame allowing you to effectively reset her abilities. She can very quickly become a win condition especially with flare of Duplication which, when copied by krark, can infinitely copy itself and generate infinite magecraft triggers.
Also, pinnacle monk is huge with the kitten package that the deck has been playing as long as you're generating enough mana from your spells.
I run a casual Krark deck, how many of these cards are worth running? I also don't have kitten because I don't have a lot of rocks/tap abilities, should I?
Thanks, King. I'm in love with this card now.
Sincerely,
A Devoted Krark-follower (Krark/Thrasios)
I still can't believe you guys are under 100k subscribers, I don't play cEDH at all, but your editing, banter and analysis are so entertaining that it's always a treat to watch this show. Thanks for doing what you do 🙏
The kinnan player forgetting to mention consign to memory counters basalt is pretty funny
Yay, glad to have Tyler on the show!
First thing, I love this podcast. Second, every time I watch you guys, I get jealous that you have the collectors edition berserk manga.
Good scenario for powerbalance is casting a vamp tutor in response to a Kraum, putting Ad Nauseam on top, and casting it for free off the balance.
White Flare is kinda good in Rocco and other Rector decks as a free sac for Rector that protects your board, gonna try it out
Cam, Static Prison can remove a One Ring and it'll be reset when it gets back in. Plus 3 turns is forever in cEDH. This is essentially "W: Exile a thing, the games probably over before it comes back."
Also I haven't seen anyone mention the static prison can be cast off lurrus, which is big for all the bad lurrus decks
Ashling has a 1 card wincon and multiple 2 card wincons with fury storm and copy spells.
Too complicated for this show
Flare of fortitude is a free sac outlet to the rectors which is also nice
Its like breathing fresh air listening to the Strix Serenade assessment. I had the same perspective vis a vis it and Stern Scolding. Felt like I was going insane in the pod groupchat when I was the only person calling it exceptionally mid.
I mean it’s a great casual counter spell!
i think the ashling point most people forget is if youre hellbent it still draws you a card from copying spells or casting from exile so if you use impulsive draw spells while hellbent you get say 2 exiled cards to cast plus a draw
A benefit to hydroelectric specimen is its only one blue pip but being a creature also makes an interesting hit with cards like Withering Boon in mono black.
Sundering eruption is a big boost for river song, make them search, make river bigger, stop them blocking and ITS ALSO A LAND
Static Prison is my sleeper pick of this set. Not only is it good for One Ring and a slew of other stuff mentioned in the video, but It can also be used to take care of a Dress Down if someone is trying to stop your win.
Flare of Fortitude does give Hexproof against all of the channel abilities and can be done when tapped out which is nice, but I acknowledge it's very situational
Static prision has the upside of taking something only during your main phase1, like a dranith you want in play but you want your commander.
harbinger synergizes with carpet of flowers. That wasn't said, but maybe worth mentioning as carpet is played regularly in the format.
Grim Servant having cmc 4 could be great in K'rrik since you can find it off of Fleshwrither / Dimir House Guard but then Grim Servant can find non-cmc 4 cards unlike Fleshwrither / Dimir House
Oh also, King Gizard and the Lizard wizards are a great rockband
I think the fact that most of the cards in this set are best for 2/mono colored decks is really really good, because the 4/5 color decks don't need anything to be better, they are already the best. And the flares are all great, I wanna play with them in all of my decks
I think ajani gets played in at least winota but maybe also najeela. The 0 ability seems very strong in najeela since that's a deck that struggles with blockers
Woah, Bojuka Bog in Crop Rotation decks is insane. Uncounterable instant speed.
1:09:25 Ral, Leyline Prodigy's +1 is NOT 'until the end of your next turn'. It is "until YOUR NEXT TURN'. The +1 doesn't cover your next turn, just that whole round between your turns.
A lot of these red and black cards makes me really excited of what Imskir can do, feels like an extremely fun turbo deck to play in CEDH.
I love Cam's response to "Is this better than Magda?"
He’s wrong, though
1:11:23 since ral’s back gives the reduction until the end of your next turn, that means after the first turn it’s flipped you are technically capable of stacking the reduction to -2 which is neat.
Of course you didn't see me there, Cam. I was never in the room, you're in your recording studio.
Wrath of the Skies becomes incredible in a deck where you have energy lying around, in which case you just pay X = 0 put still pay a few energy and get the effect on just 2 mana. If an energy deck with white ever becomes viable that card will skyrocket in quality.
For Ral, it may not be better than krak/shaka BUT it can lead its own deck fairly well too. If you can get up to 6 casts with 3 of those being instants(more is better for flip odds), you cast your sorceries first, then do the instants while holding priority to guarantee the 8 loyalty on flip. If you can ult while displacer kitten is in play, you're winning on the spot 99% of the time.
I think the precombat main thing is because people usually go untap -> draw -> oh shit I forgot an upkeep trigger (sagas and attractions try to prevent this in the same way)
I think the most powerful thing about these cards that are both a land and a creature is the ability to tutor then with land tutors to hand I think there will be some weird interaction like that that will break them. I'm wating on something like that
Chthonian Nightmare + Dockside loops does have infinite casts, which means you can’t really just win through a Rhystic Study without making enough extra treasures, so in that regard it’s worse than the Emiel loop
Don’t know if this changes the flare of denial assessment but you can sac thoracle to cast it after the consultation and thoracle trigger are on the stack.
Did not expect the take on the red flare
Strix serenade has me so torn, on the one hand it only targets creatures, but on the other other hand, it always targets a commander
Tyler was right about it. This is a strictly better Stern Scolding, that’s all. Great for decks like Talion, control decks.
I think people are sleeping on this card a little. For me, this is better than a Path by far as it stops ETB effects.
Plus, it’s a one mana counter target commander to Manadorkuk’s point.
Also, stopping a One Ring, Bow Master’s, etc. is a big deal.
I think if you are using a Path or a weaker counter spell or removal this is a no-brainer.
@@timothyjones3931 right!!? 1 mana Tivit be gone feels pretty good to me
I'm going to test it in tivit because I want more ways to stop sheoldred, dockside, and clones. 3 very regular creatures that make it harder for me to grind with Tivit out
Ironically, Static prison did become a staple of the modern energy deck in the past week. 😂
great episode as always fellas. love seeing the episodes with tyler weighing in on cards from major set releases
Ral is going straight into my Zndrsplt/Okaun cEDH build. The backside is meh, but being able to flip whenever you cast something on your turn just means extra potential draw from Zndr. Plus reducing costs is helpful, of course.
About Flare of fortitude: how do you see it in a Lotho deck, casting Ad nauseam, then Flare in response (sacrificing Lotho and generating a treasure), to have a free Ad naus?
I will say, is tergrid does become a competitive commander, the black flair would be amazing in her
Yay Tyler bacc
Videos with all 3 of you is best
This podcast was so great, 9/10 though cause it wasn't also a land
Powerbalance I think *could* see play in a deck like Etali, being able to occasionally have an idea what's on top during your turn before casting etali even if it doesnt hit (Like you do something causing an opponent to have to do something, like playing something that would make etali uncounterable after such as veil) + a good portion of the time hitting a nice ramp for free is really good in that deck, and etali is playing a significant amount of subpar cards where this could pretty decently be swapped into. Like probably what most of the time your top is going to be a 0-1 mana piece of ramp of some kind, and if powerbalance nets you 1 permanent piece of mana it's already as good as arcane signet or fellwar stone. I feel like 50% of the time powerbalance will net you 1 mana by your next turn, and something like 10% it's going to be an extremely annoying or dangerous card, like a pyroblast that all your opponents have to go "Well fuck for the entire turn cycle etali has a free counterspell if any of us want to counter something this turn cycle" because powerbalance isn't mandatory to immediately cast, or power cards that are dangerous to let etali get for free like worldly tutor, gamble, or dockside.
Maybe rite of flame gets cut, if it nets 1 mana it's straight up better than what rite of flame does as temporary mana and has a lot more upside a lot of the time.
Also in a deck like say Kess, it seems pretty good, being able to see a 3 drop hit, and force powerbalance to hit a wheel in that deck off a top deck tutor really helps that deck, especially when you kinda topdeck tutor for wheels even in advance in that deck.
I feel like it probably seeing play in Etali and Kess alone is likely enough to push it closer to 2.2 considering kess is a decent deck, and etali is a pretty good deck. There are likely other decks that are willing to go for that type of effect too that im not thinking of.
I play Flare of Malice on Yuriko. It’s pretty good because I get rid of 3 things which clears the way for me, one way or another.
I’m a mono red player/fanatic and my advice to wizards to help out the lower colored decks is to increase the colored mana pips for the cards. For example a 5 red mana pip commander that is extremely strong for mono red. A little of the extreme side but just ask example.
I feel like they keep forgetting Dihada is a planeswalker on the destroying or countering effects
With Chthonian Nightmare, isnt the sacrifice a part of the activation cost to put the ability on the stack? As in, you dont need another creature in the graveyard to loop it with Dockside, because Dockside will already be in the graveyard because you sacrificed it?
Or am i getting this way wrong?
You select targets before costs are paid (this is true of both spells and abilities), so you wouldn't be able to target a creature you're sacrificing to pay the cost. (See CR 602.2, if you want an official breakdown.)
Necrodominance is detrimental being a replacement effect while necropotence still gives you a chance to interact with cards as they are placed into GY (such as in Gitrog strategies), that said it's really good if you don't rely on gy at all and can storm off at instant speed (would absolutely play in my Tevesh Rog).
card has already been poping off at the scg las vegas 8k cedh, multiple decks
@@Rizso1 as i said definitely not bad, just hinders some strats so not an autoinclude if you play Necropotence
Did we really not include the new best Ob Nixilis card? Unstable Amulet is nuts for Ob, but only Ob so I get it
I'm brewing some shenigans with Dr Madison lee ATM. It's tricky and I think it's missing a energy dump that Doesn't tap to make it truly work but I've had the engine going a couple times. The rhino from the precon plus lightning runner is fun
Fun fact the blue blood moon wil also stay active under humility
Power Balance + Sensai's Divining Top someone casts a 1 mana spell you can loop it to into a draw engine, also using top to look at top 3 cards and get free spells with regards to 3/4 of CEDH being 0 to 3 in casting cost...
A lot of the mdfc cards are great for Yuriko decks. We want sneaky high CMC, there's gonna be less lands to hit with her triggered ability.
I was thinking Flare of duplication would be a definite in Etali, as it's another "copy" of the copy etali effects.
stella lee got a lottt of love with the mdfcs
Ashling goes infinite with a microwave:
Easy infinite magecraft triggers with 2 copy spells or 1 fury storm. With the two shuffle titans you can win on the stack immediately by generating infinite mana with instant speed rituals like seething song and win with any instant speed damage spell like lightning bolt. Those cards just need to be in the deck, its pretty much a 1/2 card combo with the commander out!
Long have I awaited this video
I know I’m late but. Flare of fortitude goes great with Ao 👍
chthonian nightmare, buried alive, narcomoeba / bloodghast, orcish bowmaster and dockside for 2 card combo. There are monoblack ways to win with it as well.
Flare of duplication has been absurd so far me, its soo good against beseech the mirror wich is going wil with necrocombo going of right now. unlike other flares, flare of diplication furthers your gameplan instead of stoping opponent.
btw: did you consider pinnacle monk together with ghostly flicker?
if you have infinite blue mana, you can ghostly flicker the land get it back as pinnacle monk and then start looping the pinnacle monk?
I mean, if you exile Sheoldred with the 1 mana enchantment, having it come back during your precombat main phase instead of upkeep means you save 2 life when you draw and I see on the channel often that makes a big difference sometimes
Grim Servant is like a weaker hoarding broodlord in some decks i think itll be used as an extra but not to get peer but ad nauseum since 7 devotion isnt likely but 5 is more likely especially with things like necropotence and necrodominance but if you play those you probably arent trying to do ad naus anymore cause of life total but the value necros maybe, but the saw in half line could get cabal rit/sacrifice (situational) and ad nauseum
The reason static prison triggers during precombat main (they should have just called it main phase 1 and 2) instead of upkeep is so that energy generation that happens during upkeep can have a chance to take effect before having to pay this energy cost.
you can still stack the triggers so the energy generation resolves first
@@sccleong I think they're trying to save people from making mistakes, idk
Nothing will beat valakut awakening as the red mdfc for me (I understand bowmasters is a thing) but its just so good at filtering your hand. Conceptually tho, color pie wise, it feels like if blue is the best at raw card draw, white and black should be second with some restrictions, and red and green should be more random. Red's impulse draw way is perfect (temporary and worth the risk), green plays off the top (topdeck up to fate). Black pays life, but it feels like they should've had the anticipate style from the beginning (like a mini tutor), and (to bring it to my first point), white should have had the valakut awakening shuffle style draw. I like the "you and I draw" as a secondary, but a white cathartic reunion that shuffled cards away instead of discarding feels fair at this point, especially since the gy is a huge resource now.
I think you got Ashling wrong about her power level as a commander
Is at minimum on the same level as Magda:
- can win instant speed
- havent on board signals (like the number of tresures etc)
- have a huge card selection
- removes many cedh creatures if needed (not always its good to wrath)
- its a high interactive deck running over 10 copy spell + red interaction. This makes any counter war a nightmare because the deck can support any response to a win attempt, or respond and win of top of it after
In the 99 its hard to play imho because you need a proper deck for her
They skipped warren soultrader which korvold is already using as a problem
Smoldering eruption is red ramp if you have indestructible lands in your deck.
It's funny how the card you're all raving about for krark saka is the one the discord is the least enthusiastic about. pinnacle monk and ashling and flare seem to be the big winners from our first reports (though I'm a firm believer of ral, especially with the kitten package)
Stealing Korvold is hilarious with the Drake. It is basically a sorcery speed removal with a can trip.
Volatile Stormdrake doesn't get around ward with it's hexproof because ward doesn't target.
Very nice Flare of Duplication interaction: Use Orcish Lumberjack to sac a land (4 green mana) cast Invasion of Ikoria x=2, sac the lumberjack for FoD, copy gets Dockside, original gets magda, sac treasures for Citadel. You can do that turn 2
You mean fanal devastation right? sense invasion cant be copied
@@Rizso1 yup, you're totally right, I do mean finale of devastation (you can tell how much I play green lmao)
You can do the same spellseeker line with grim savant if u have 2 devotion, not a big ask idt.
I think the convoke part of the thrasher was too overlooked. It turns all your 1 mana counters or removal into free spells if you have bodies to match. Especially in decks like kykar or ovika who make their own bodies
Am I missing something or is the wincon with grim servant just another version of the spellseeker line which they mentioned
The secund creature for the nightmare can just be your commander
Flare of denial sacrificing thoracle when the triggered ability is already on the stack is a W
55:43 the draw isn’t a may ability so for krark sakashima you’ll have to be careful with certain lines to not deck yourself.
I cannot believe that amphibian downpour isn’t getting any attention. I completely get it’s a little expensive but it’s almost uninteractable, the storm makes counterspells pretty horrible and fluster storm doesn’t hit downpour bc it’s an enchantment. As an emry storm player it’s a little niche but I still think this card is gonna be a dark horse.
Static prison is for the white decks without blue. Mardu loves this. Resolve silence on your turn then prison away the stax and win
Now i want to see a cEDH Energie deck and i'm too much of a casual player to do it myself.
The reason why Static Prison says precombat main phase is so that if it hits a saga, the saga doesnt trigger on ETB AND on start of Main 1.
I know that it's christmas magic land but hear me out: what about oppo casting a FoW and with powerbalance's trigger on the stack you tutor on top of your deck something like ad nauseam?
Red flare i think goes well with dual caster shenanigans
Static prison asking you for the upkeep on pre combat main means on first main you can do shenanigans than not pay if you couldn’t win then and the stax you had stopped come back for they’re turn
Legs count went from 0 to 2 in this channel's recorded history with this video
it counters any storm triggers, ward triggers, tymna triggers, thassa's triggers.. dockside triggers...
Best Tyler intro so far 😂
The appropriate name for Malcolm/Tymna is Farrrrrrrrm.
That thumbnail is godlike. It looks like cam has horns and tyler is just basking in it
Strip Serenade just seems to me to be counter target commander with a bunch of stuff stapled on to it.
Strix serenade hits every single commander, all the creature based combos and the one ring. Cards not a 5 but it's probably at least a 3.5 if not a 4
Am I missing something? How is Chthonian Nightmare a loop? It requires energy and you are only guaranteed the 3 energy of its initial ETB
Because it's returning itself to your hand as part of the activation, so you keep recasting it as part of the loop, generating 3 energy every time.