Quest Link and AirLink Graphics Looked Horrible with My AMD Radeon GPU Until I Did This!
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
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Over the past couple years it's become very apparent to me that Meta has spent much more time optimizing their software with Nvidia GPUs than it has with AMD GPUs when it comes to playing PC VR games with their headsets. When using Quest Link and AirLink with Nvidia GPUs it's more or less plug and play and the graphics look great; where as if you have an AMD GPU the encode resolution is much lower by default making PC VR with the Quest, Quest 2 and Quest 3 look much worse than it should. In this video I show how to use the Oculus Debug Tool to enable a very important feature when it comes to getting the best graphics possible when using Quest Link and AirLink called Link Sharpening. I also show how to increase the Encode Resolution Width from Meta's laughably low default encode resolution to improve the visuals even more. But that's not all; recently I ran into a new problem where the encode bitrate would randomly fluctate up and down making PC VR graphics look horrible even with Link Sharpening enabled and the Encode Resolution Width set significantly higher than Metas default! I spent the better part of a week investigating this bitrate problem and found a solution just in time for the bitrate problem to disappear all on it's own. I debated removing this particular information from my video, but that would have required me to redo a large portion of the video, and on top of that I thought, what if this issue comes back? And what if someone else is experiencing a low encode bitrate issue when using AirLink and this information could help them? So rather than scrap hours and hours worth of work I decided to keep it in. This is all explained in the new intro to the video which I had to film after the video was more or less complete. Anyway, for anyone with an AMD 6000 or 7000 series GPU who's using a Quest headset for PC VR and you're sick of the graphics looking like you need to get your eyes checked, the Oculus Debug Tool (aka ODT) settings I share in this video just might be what saves your PC VR experience. Also, toward the end of this video I show how to deal with another problem I've found which seems to only exist on Radeon 7000 GPUs when using AirLink. In all my testing it has never shown up when using a Link cable. When using AirLink with a Radeon 7000 GPU there's a weird warping or squeezing effect that goes on, on the far right of your field of view. It's very offputting and can be a little nausea inducing. The good news is there is a way to temporarily eliminate this nuesance and in this video I share a couple ways I've found to get rid of it. Ok, there we go. I've written the video description that no one is ever going to read but will hopefully help those looking for a solution to these issues find this video when they search for it. Enjoy! :)
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Wanna skip to a particular part of the video? Use the Chapters. :)
Chapters:
00:00 - This is not the original intro
02:15 - AirLink Worked great with the 7800XT... then it didn't
03:23 - We aren't going to put up with disgusting looking graphics!
04:53 - How do you get to the Oculus Debug Tool?
05:15 - Make sure Oculus is set as the OpenXR Runtime
05:56 - testing AirLink with the RX 7600, 7700XT and 7900XTX
06:25 - testing AirLink with the 6650XT, 6700XT and 6950XT
07:11 - Meta seems to have a favorite
07:46 - What about Virtual Desktop with AMD Radeon?
08:39 - Fixing the Radeon 7000 AirLink Right Eye Warping/Squeezing Phenomenon
10:44 - Meta and AMD Radeon GPUs
#AMD, #AirLink, #Radeon, #rx7800xt , #VR, #quest3, #quest2, #radeon , #7800xt, #virtualreality, #gpu, #graphicscard, #oculus, #meta - Ігри
Link/AirLink inconsistencies led me to buy Virtual Desktop a week after I got a Quest. It solved everything for me and I never looked back.
We need a Steam Link comparison and benchmark video soon :)
I appreciate your video. After applying your settings and dropping the refresh rate of the headset to 90htz, everything had a steady 90fps and looked great on my Oculus quest 2 & 6750XT
Thanks again !
You're welcome. Enjoy!
I'm using a Rift S and it's been great with my 7800xt. With a tiny bit of tuning It's awesome. I think a dedicated PCVR headset is kind of where it's at with AMD GPUs right now. Which doesn't bother me but I know a lot of people are really into the Airlink/wireless thing.
Am intending to get a used Rift S for PC VR n running the 6800xt
I can not turn of screen you to
Can you pls tell your settings? I am using 7900xtx but the graphics on RE7 PC mod looks really bad
This was life saving I had the exact same issues with a 6950, thank you
Since steam link vr just released, will you be testing that out in a future video?
very good video! thank you. Do you also know whats the ''encode resolution width'' for the quest 3? The way i do it now, is adjust the ''Pixels per display pixel override'' and set it to 1.2 (RTX 3080ti), but i dont know if thats te right way to make the quality better.
Cheers. I have a different set of issues with airlink and link on my Quest 2 with a 6600 XT, 5800X3D system. Mostly awful aliasing resulting in awful "jaggies" and shimmering along the edges of objects (the window borders have jaggies that look like something from the '80s). Also occasional stutter.
I'll try your settings anyway, see if there's a noticeable difference.
No issues with Virtual Desktop except for strange colours and contrast compared to my desktop settings. I've also had intermittent issues with Oculus set as the default for OpenXR instead of Steam (as in setting it to Oculus would prevent some titles in Steam from running).
Sadly, despite the bang for buck advantages in terms of raster performance, I've had a lot more issues getting VR working properly with the Radeon than my prior Geforce card. That's without even looking at products like the Varjo Aero or DPVR E4 which flat out state they are incompatible with Radeon cards.
AMD doesn't seem to prioritise VR (small market I guess) and VR companies like Meta, Varjo, DPVR just don't seem to prioritise AMD (also due to market share I imagine).
AWESOME!!!! THANKS A LOT. I love your effort, I really hope META fix every problems of AMD once they realized that AMD cards are taking a big quota of market share. For this generation.
Hey I’ve posted to you awhile back with questions about rift s and stuff I got a quest 2 and a rx 6950xt 16 gb I was hoping you could rely personally to me again it’d be appreciated was curious on what your quest link settings is for the oculus debug tool is to have good clear settings so it’s not blurry cuz my pc is now a beast hope you have a good holiday season
Thanks for your VR GPU videos!! Happy T-giving you!
Super useful thanks
As always: Very informative, quality content. Really appreciate your work!
thanks for this video, I solved all the problems with quest2 and rx7800!!!!!
Concerning your VirtualDesktop stuttering with both AMD and Nvidia GPUs, I think the issue may be your network setup. What is the make and model of your router? Also do you happen to have 'Encrypt loca traffic' enabled on the PC streamer software side?
Hello, can you recommend a router for virtual desktop? thank you
@@DSMatarileTP-LINK AXE5400 single router or XE75 Pro mesh routers.
I noticed there was a major update for Oculus 3. I would like you to try onward. Very demanding game. Major bit rate issues.
So did you recommend something else that 4070s or 4070 ti s for 650 and 850 euros in AMD camp ? Or just go to nvdia ? I think i will chose the ti super for the 16g
Would the 6700xt have better performance than a 2060? Thinking of upgrading soon
As a laptop user i have always had trouble getting quality resolution using airlink and even a cable. I did not understand why for the longest time. I have a spec'd out rig that has me playing cyber punk in 4k after all with min 80 fps. Then I found out that my only my onboard amd card was compatible with oculus software but not my 3070 Ti! I switched to virtual desktop and never looked back. I average 10-15 Latency and can chose ultra settings in almost every game. Meta needs to expand or they will fall behind.
currently debating between a rx 7800 xy and a 4060ti . which do you recommend
I don't know if this will help anyone with a amd gpu. But I think there's one setting in the Oculus debug tool. When I was trying to enable h2.65 in the video codec setting. I was experiencing a weird tearing issue on my right eye in the headset. But then when I turned off sliced encoding. that issue entirely went away and never came back. I was thinking that was the same issue that some people were experiencing on AMD cards and was wondering if that could probably fix it. For me when I went back to h2.64 with sliced encoding off both of them had no micro stutter anymore after I turned it off. But I want to see if that could be the fix for anyone on a amd gpu. If it doesn't then man oculus needs to fix their app
Could you "PLEASE" do a video on the proper setup of the Quest 2 with an AMD GPU. I've been playing in VR for years now but never tinker, DCS, MSFS etc look good but not great. As soon as it runs smooth, I stop fiddling with settings. But there freaking settings all over the place, OpenXR, Oculus App, Oculus Tray Tool, Virtual Desktop, Game Settings, AMD Adrenalin Settings, which apps need to be open when playing in VR? It is sooooo overwhelming.
How does one get the 7800xt working with quest link or airlink? I receive a "GPU not supported" error, and it looks like the 7000 series isn't on Meta's compatibility matrix. I'm using virtual desktop currently to play PC games in the meantime (no ethernet, so performance is meh).
Hmm, im curious howbmy 5700xt would handle air link.
I usually play assettto corsa with the cable, but it would be nice to see how airlink works.
Ya I hate the router parts for the quest's airlink ugh. that's why I'm gonna give the Prismxr Airbridge a shot next month when I get paid. :)
thanks ! are these settings ok with rx5700xt nitro ?!?
With my 6950xt and quest 3 I just use 250mbit fixed within the Oculus tray tool. 1.4x resolution in the Oculus Software. Within the quest I set the Bitrate to dynamic and slide it to the max which is 200. In the performance overlay my Bitrate is shown as a graph like if u set it variable but it's always at 250mbit. When the wlan connection is bad for some reasons, then the dynamic kicks in and lowers the Bitrate uner the 250mbit but that never happens when I stay near my router. Graphic looks good and the latency is around 40ms
How does a 4070ti go in vr I seen the video of it but will the 7800x3d run better with ddr5
The right eye squeezing effect I experienced today when I was testing my friend's Oculus Quest 2 on my secondary GPU (RX 580). Now I am waiting for my Quest 2 to arrive. I will do some tests with my main GPU‚ RX 6600 and then I will give it a shot again on RX 580‚ just for fun.
Your videos really helped me a lot when deciding which Graphics card to purchase. I really wanted to get the AMD cards bec they great with price to performance but due to so many hiccups caused by Meta's software and AMD still having some challenges with their drivers. Although they are manageable just doing some settings from time to time but I just want to immediately play without touching anything on my settings. So now I went with the RTX 3060 12GB and ran awesome on my VR games of choice. Thank you for posting these videos to help us see the reality of different cards in VR... Keep it up and More power to you... :)
Stuff like this (and being data mined) is why went with a non-meta headset. The quest two was super tempting, but I knew there was gonna be a catch.
My 7800XT works perfectly with Streaming Assistant and the Pico 4...which is so much better than Quest2...( i'll never go back with Meta and its shit PCVR software)
When I built my new pc (13700k and RTX 4090) last Dec airink stopped working properly for me and has never worked right again but virtual desktop works just fine.
do you think that you would maybe be able to test the RTX 4060 8gb, i cant find any videos with it in vr.
Already done! 😁
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Oh wait... you asked for the 4060? I did the 4060ti 8GB. Sorry, just re-read your comment and realized you were looking for the non-ti 4060.
Your stuttering might be network related. I have a ryzen 5 3600 with an rx 6650xt and get no stutters at all. Strangely airlink looks better for me as i see basically no compression
With my 6800 xt, my frames just drop like crazy whenever i enable 120 hz no matter the settings. but with 90, 80 or 72 it works flawlessly. Kinda weird
Steam Link is now available and it just works. Performance issues I used to have with Air Link is gone because Oculus app is a bloated, VRAM hogging piece of software.
Not having to bother with Oculus app and Air Link have made me play VR more.
I will say I did some research and testing on the Oculus software and I just find it weird how it works compared to virtual desktop
First with what you know, encode resolution is always lower than app resolution, which made me wonder if there's even a point on increasing the resolution past the native Oculus display specs
2. On the exact same tab you can see your encode framerate, for the life of me I could not get this to stay at 120, it always hovers around 90, which is why I felt virtual desktop so much smoother, virtual desktop also seems to give you the full resolution you set your graphics settings to rather than Oculus
3. I find bitrate on virtual desktop kinda weird, on Oculus I never really noticed a difference unless it was set to a very low value, however on virtual desktop your latency increases quite noticeably if your bitrate is above 60-80 (at least with a 1060, maybe newer GPUs have more headroom), I also found that h.265 tends to have higher latency that h.264, but on interesting ways, for example, if both encoders are set to 60 bitrate, both have a 30ms latency (example) under same conditions, but h.265 tends to spike to 35 or 40ms, if we put h.264 at its absolute minimum, you can get down to 20ms (quality is horrible though), and maxed out to 150 bitrate, h.264 still manages to stay on the low 30s where as h.265 tends to go to 40-45
Newer GPUs arent as affected by bitrate.
Wait so the amd radeon gpu problem in vr games is now fixed?
On my 6800xt adjusting the encode resolution width to 3680 is what causes the eye warping problem
steamlink comparison please
3:48 wait a sec, how do you make the hands come out in questlink/airlink?? the only thing it always came up for me was the menu and oculus button gesture to pop up and I thought it was a bug
I'm not sure I fully understand your question. Are you trying to use Quest Link/AirLink using hand tracking only, i.e. without controllers? As far as I know, hand tracking only works with the Quests native menus and in specific hand tracking games. I'm pretty sure you have to use controllers for Quest Link. The hands you see at 3:48 is just the representation the Rift interface displays of the controllers. I was using controllers when doing all the VR stuff in this video.
@@Maraksot78 ohhh I thought they were real hand tracking stuff, i did not know rift shows the controllers looking like hands xD
hey there what does application frame rate drop of 800 plus frames? i have a lot of performance head room it says. and i have wifi6e set up. on my 4090 is it a big problem? quest 3
As far as I can tell, it's a counter that lets you know when the application (i.e the game you're playing) drops frames. This does happen sometimes as you're playing, but most of those dropped frames are during loading screens, so it doesn't negatively affect the experience.
Is this the same for quest 3 headset ?
Really making me rethink buying a rx7900xt or a rtx 4080 (which would be 300€ more…)
I was also in that dilemma but now I'm set on the 7900 XTX. The 4080 is just too much money for a card that relies too much on DLSS and stuff like that to justify the price. I want a card that won't make me want to upgrade for the lack of VRAM for the time being.
Same boat here. Pretty sure I'll stick with AMD, it's ridiculous how expensive Nvidia cards are for less vram
I got the 7800xt here, it’s a beast of a card
Virtual Desktop always looks way way sharper then link cable or airlink for me
I run the 4070 ti oc. Amd 7 5800x ram is g skillz timed 3800mhz
what about the cablelink ?
Any news on Fals new quest 3 stock?
As a matter of fact, yes. I'm working on a video for it right now. The funny thing is, in the last week or so, he tells me he's working on a more aestheticallty pleasing version. 😅 As he's done in the past, there's a basic/light weight model and then a "cool looking" model. Both will perform the same it's just one will look more like a gun and be a little heavier. Don't know much about the "cool looking" Quest 3 stock yet, but the light weight model is very unique and as always performs spectacularly. Fal isn't happy unless performance is perfect and as I've been doing testing of my own, it's evident how much time and effort he's put in to get tracking perfect and make the stock as effortless as possible to use.
Hi I am using your settings but while trying RE7 VR mod the graphics look real bad.
I recently upgraded to a quest 3 and when I try using quest link cable (official oculus cable) when I jump into quest link I can see that the refresh rate is obviously not 90hz it looks more like 30-40hz, when enabling the debug tool's performance graph I can see that I'm getting a solid 90 frames and have plenty of gpu headroom, I've tried switching the video codec from h264 to h265 yet the problem persists, the only work around was using virtual desktop but I'm far from my router so playing games like pavlov and contractors gets a bit annoying when my connection gets interrupted leading to delay/lag not to mention the decrease in quality
If anyone has run into this issue or has any suggestions to fix it please let me know
System Specs:
CPU: R9 5900x
GPU: 6950xt Red Devil
RAM: 32gb 3600mhz (4x8gb)
PSU: 850w Corsair RM850
MOBO: B550 Asrock Steel legend
I found the cause to my problem, having the "record desktop" option enabled under the record and stream section of the AMD software gave me this problem once I turned it off all returned to normal
This issue also with my RTX3080 on V62.
does anyone know the encoding bitrate for the quest 3 and how to get that headset working with a radeon graphics card?
Had no issue with 6950xt and quest 3. What problem do you get?
@@schaki05 no issue, just wondering what the bit rate for the headset was because the resolution on the quest 2 and 3 are different
@@tophat5128 depends an what u choose. U can Go up to 960mbit but that will be at the cost of latency and stability. 250 works best for me
I use a 7900 xtx and airlink to quest 1 and have none of these issues.
Hope this is the case when I upgrade soon
This video makes me think again, might not get the AMD GPU for black week after all. Such mess, so sad that it seems like it is Metas fault and that they do not care about if. I wonder why, hopefully it is not somebody (or Meta) that gives unfair priority to Nvidia. Such a shame... Very intressting to hear about stutter in VD, not heard about this before. Did you try to ask help avout this in the VD discord?
My 7800XT works perfectly with Streaming Assistant and the Pico 4...which is so much better than Quest2...( i'll never go back with Meta)
@@SETHalpine I got a Q3 but was really close to go the Pico way, extremely close even.
After asking about stutter and AMD gpu in the VD discord I now have a 4070 ob order
@@zipppiz I got a quest 3 as well and now looking for a gpu. Too bad AMD has compatibility issues randomly, now I have to buy a overpriced 4070 as well because thats the first decent in the lineup.
@@Antal46 Yeah z 4070 is a great card just I would have liked to go the AMD route.
@@zipppiz Great card but not £560 great.
Meanwhile the 7800xt is better and £475 ( I'm hearing that the Quest issues have been fixed as well)
Unfortunately for me, I have a 650W PSU so if I chose to get the AMD, I might have to get a new PSU as well making it about the same price.
Hoping for greater deals on Friday.
The only way to fix this is if Gabe Newell releases the Valve Deckard.
So 7800xt can vr?
No, you need a 4090 Super Ti to, at least, run on low 72hz
@@hburners361 nice joke
Yes, check his last video for details
@@jaydude84 thx
My RX7800XT is getting awesome, giving me 4070TI performance on MSFS2020, it surely needs a lot of tweaking because neither Asobo nor Meta are willing to fix its issues with AMD. But after tweaking and testing I finally getting the performance I wanted on this sim.
Yet all the non-tech savvy normies will blame AMD when it meta. Started digging into this myself when I saw the channel ‘Cid from VRChat’ dumping all over AMD while as people (myself included) using non-meta headsets like the index, reverb, and vive had no major issues.
I was running on a wx7100 with zero issues at one point… that’s comparable to a 480… yet people are saying newer 6000 and 7000 series cards bad and unable to handle VR.
Makes me wonder if this bias is some shady corporate warfare against AMD cause I just don’t see a company as big as meta-messing up like that on accident. Either way it obviously hurts. AMD’s reputation as only dedicated gamers like yourself would dig into this matter.
Also, apologize for the bad grammar. I’m on mobile right now.
I use the old rift s with my 7800xt. I'm grabbing a quest 3 and hopefully I can test it before upgrading to the 7900 xt. Either way it's got problems on the rift. Ghosting on all usb ports and nothing I have done fixes it. I forced my ram to the lowest latency possible and slowly clocked it up rather than using xmp. I tried lowering my dpc latency as much as possible. Went back to 10 cuz 11 is amazing at destroying frametimes. I also used an external hub for powering my usb. Still rough performance. But yeah meta is not optimizing for recent amd gpu's yet. But many things arent 7000 series compatible. I might just grab a 6900 xt rather. Gotta sell my 7800 xt first tho.,
Airlink and Meta's software simply sucks. I have a 4090 and ONLY use VirtualDesktop because I still have issues with their software. If you have an AMD GPU you should definitely deal with VirtualDesktop and not even bother with Meta's side.
Totally agree, I have some problems with my 3060 6GB laptop. Oculus linking via Airlink or cable is terrible. The computer reported missing Vram as soon as I opened HL Alyx. Meanwhile, the connection via Virtual Desktop is very stable.
Dropped Air Link as soon as Steam Link became available. It just works.
MAKES SENSE
amd is garbrage for vt they have so bad software like drives xD
Finally I bought a 4080...