New Ceramic Wick for Alcohol Stoves
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- I have found a new high tech wick for Alcohol Stoves,
its light weight, cheap and has a working temperature of 1200 deg Ceramic wool type material
We put it through its paces in this video.
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I like the dsign and performance of the Fancy feast stove/ Saw it first on Funk preppers channel. Well done.
Sandy
many thanks :)
I know couple years later, but couple notes: you can buy this off Amazon and other online now pretty reasonably. Also, if you get it in a sheet, thickness is not a big deal, as it is produced in layers, so you can literally peal it apart and make thinner layers. Conversely, layers also kind of "velcro" back together with only a little pressure.
However, on pressure, it will compact, especially when wet, which makes it wick not as well. I squished a square down in a tin, doused in alcohol, and lit it and let it burn out. When I pulled it out, the bottom was still wet with alcohol.
One note for anyone who likes making all kinds of stoves, this is also a fantastic insulator for a rocket stove.
On cons, it is kind of fragile, so likely best encased in some manner, such as under a screen. Also, while better than fiberglass, it is supposed to be bad if you inhale it, and OSHA does have a maximum exposure guidance that is pretty low if you are handling it and not wearing a mask. Much less than fiberglass, but can cause some itching.
Personally, I do gloves, mask and goggles as I would when dealing with fiberglass.
Show me pls here in USA. i visited Amazon.com but all they have r ropes.
i want thin sheets for alcohol fired live steam locomotive. Size would be
2"W x (1/16" to 1/4")T x X"L*
*I only need say 4ft long for several locos
This video is worthless unless we can buy it here. Too expensive in UK
Less than £10.00 Yes!, only £7.33 +VAT but £7.00 to post it !...They're having a laugh....Great info, but I'll stick with my steel wool as a wick, it works well.
How does steel wool cope over long term use? Does it degrade or burn away over time?
Tac Blades, hi what was the second mesh top non spill stove like?
It's stainless steel mesh from a sieve
@@TacBlades no, i mean did it work?,eg what was the stove stuffed with the ceramic like?, do you want to sell me a bit of the ceramic? im guessing you had loads left
@@lazycarper7925 yeah it worked fine but I prefer the fancy feast style with built in pot stand.
No I can't sell any.
@@TacBlades ok thanks
What kind of Alcohol do you use ?
allexx123 bioethanol burns very very clean.
In the U.S. we call it a "ceramic blanket". : ) Thanks for the video I've been looking for the best alcohol stove wick. Finally found one thanks to your video : )
lol, cant believe this.
out at the weekend with the trangia army stove and my friend said it was burning too fast and using loads of meths.
always keen to see different materials as alcohol stoves are new to me.
the manufacturers could produce different size discs specificly for alcohol stoves and make a fortune.
combined with a high temp gauze for protection i think this is a winner for sure and we all saw it here first.
awesome job.
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The big question is HOW SAFE IS IT TO HEALTH?
I highly suggest you don't eat it. But it is used in many commercial product for home product for having living flame display in houses.
Which reminds me...🤔 I've got some leftover ceramic gasket material from insulating the flue pipe on my Traeger pellet grill. Several layers wrapped around I bet it would work!!!😁👍🏻
I've been using carbon felt and never occurred to me to use ceramic blanket material. I built an outdoor pizza oven several yrs ago which required use of ceramic blanket for insulation and I have a few feet of this stuff left sitting somewhere in my garage. Thanks for the video!
Yes thats the stuff, used for ovens, give it a go :)
Ebay has it mostly in 1 or" 2" thicknesses for reasonable prices. I did find one seller selling 1mm thick 12"x24" for less than 5$ dollars.
cool ! i just used some rock wool ,the stuff that uses for hydroponics. it worked great and now my little stove cant spill.
Darrell Lee rock wool is a bit more expensive tho, correct?
hows it getting on with rockwool, does it still work well?
good video. It looks like what I bought for motorbike exhaust dampening and insulating. white super fine glass fiber, which is nearly pure silicon also. you can check out the different grades of motorbike dampening rolls to see their temperature specs, I belive that they get worn out if they are out of fuel, they fuse and melt a bit if the alcohol runs out?
Best Electronic Music From New Geniuses there is a big difference between glass fibre and ceramic wool so not sure what the exhaust stuff is ?
The ceramic woolbhasnt changed in over a hundred uses at the moment.
I tried the white fiberglass from the motorbike, it does degrade a lot faster then, it wouldn't get more than a dozen uses. it's cool to know about new materials. cheers. there's a history of it on wiki here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-temperature_insulation_wool, it's for insulating crucibles and so forth.
Ceramic ribbon or ceramic sheets works better, and can be had in a variety of thicknesses. We've been using it for quite a while here in America. It's fun seeing how many different things work. Even sand works pretty darned well. For right now, though, ceramic does seem to be the best long term option.
Which store and in what department is it found? Thanks
So what exactly what is this mystery substance other than ceramic something or other?
Great video - thanks for sharing. I started to build my first fancy feast alcohol stove, last weekend. It doesn´t work as good as yours, I didn´t put as much holes at the bottom to drain the alcohol to the wick, I think this was the fault. I have to check that. The ceramic wick seems to be perfect ;) Mark
Great find that you made and a big thank you for posting this. I have looked all over the Philippines for the carbon felt product and receive the usual "no stock sir."
I think there is a good chance we may find a ceramic felt product because there are many pottery and ceramic figurine manufacturing business here that have a kiln. Also, we are close to China which will be the most likely source for those needing replacement materials. Again, thank you and we will smash the sub botton.
I've been using a cutting from a karate/judo belt... hasn't caused problems so far, but is cotton based I imagine but woven and very tough. It doesn't have to be from a black belt but that might impress your mates!
Nice video
After doing some research on alcohol stoves, I found out about this ceramic wool stuff. I wonder how fuel efficient it is, but at the looks of it, the flames are less wild and controllable.
Awesome looking stove! Fair play to you buddy, really impressed by the weight and efficiency of it. Top notch mate : )
All the best, Jay
Thanks :)
I just tried to buy a couple of meters from these guys... Unfortunately they only sell to UK and Ireland... I'll be looking for something similar elsewhere
Eros Nicolau try ceramic wool on ebay or carbon felt on aliexpress or ebay
I'd really want to try the fireplug stuff or something similar (not the carbon felt). I'll ask a friend in Ireland to buy it for me if I can't find it elsewhere. Is ceramic wool the same thing as the fireplug stuff?
Yes its they same there are lots of versions of ceramic wool all with different brand names.
Thanks for clearing this up, bud!
If this is Kaowool, in the forge world they say the most frightening things about the potential this stuff has for lung damage, even in minor handling. Of course as one moves from activity to activity, one finds quite different levels of paranoia over various materials.
Hondo Trailside no this is not, it is supawool and its inert safe to handle without gloves or mask.
Pretty cool man! I am in the process of making a stove right now. Just bought some Carbon felt. The stove is probably going to be in my next vid actually. subscribed to your channel. Cool channel man!
Many thanks
Tac Blades Your Welcome man!
Isn't it what Trail Design "Kojin" stove is using? They called it a uber-duper trade secret material but it looks like it (and I doubt they invented and are building their own material anyway).
Could you perhaps confirm it? If that's it, it would be extremly easy to DIY them, which would be a really good solution for DIY caldera cones.
Not sure but i found this in 2015 :)
i work at an aluminum remelt and we have rolls of this stuff on hand. Never thought to use it as wick for a stove. I guess I'll be bringing home some scraps now.
Awesome :)
Hi mate 8 years later just wondering if you read this do you know if alluminium ceramic silicate wool is the same as ordinary ceramic silicate wool because they look identical but one has alluminium in the name...cheers
@jshaw4757
No idea actually. It's called insawool on thecontainer, not sure if that is brand name. But it did nake an amazing wick in stoves.
Tac, I just made me two fancy feast stoves with this wick and it's awesome!! :D 1 stove weighs only 10g and is very efficient. I guess I shall never need to search for carbon felt ever again
Lucas Jorge awesome :)
the only problem, with further testing, is that it takes a while for the wick to soak the alcohol.. I've been needing to ignite it in the middle then place the pot... have you had the same experience?
Lucas Jorge no i dont think so, but i always put a few drops of fuel on the outside edge, also i make sure that it is not packed too tight.
Wow ceramic wick glows like carbon felt! Super cool! :)
Thanks for the heads up! Nice find!👍
always fancied having a go at these. would 5mm be OK, just found some a4 sheets on eBay for £3.50 with free postage.
yes 5mm would be ok :)
That worked very well. Thanks for sharing atb John
cheers :)
I don't know what that material is made from. Have you guys heard of asbestos? It used to be the best stuff around... Anyway, your cat tin stove isn't sealed so you've got that fibre breaking off and roaming freely through your kit. I wouldn't like to find out that this wicking material turns out to be as bad as asbestos. Maybe a less effective, but potentially safer wick would be better. I just think that if you're going to bang a tute on the internet, you better make sure that you aren't encouraging people to do something that might compromise their health. Kids will be watching this and making up the stove.
Paul Rudd I don't know why you would assume that I did not do my research. It's fully inert can be handled without any protection at all is not a carconagen and is perfect for this purpose. It's Reach CLP and Rohs compliant. It's even used to insulate commercial pizza ovens.
There are many commercial stoves like this on the market that use fibreglass which is much more toxic than ceramic will but still well within safety limits for use.
Thanks for that TacBlades, I need to start making a stove now :)
Informative video too.
cheers :)
I'm so glad I found this because here in Brazil I can't seem to find anywhere that sells carbon felt, yet ceramic fiber is something really easy to find. Cheers, Tac
Lucas Jorge no worries :)
that looks as if it work out good mate i just use glass wool my self
stuart
cool, love the diy stove stuff :)
i went thought a time that was all i used
+SCOTTISH WANDERER BUSHCRAFT AND WILDCAMPING i never use gas, dont like it, i used a trangia for many years but now converted to fancee feast design :)
Thanks, --- Clark
Excellent video,I've used carbon felt for years and always shrinks over time.so you have to replace it or overlap at the build sequence. I have just ordered a sheet of 6mm (saw your addition pop up on screen)will last me decades .Thanks again.
Thanks for this information! Fantastic!
Great video. You can also get an asbestos free solder mat from £5- 7 that would make a few stoves quite cheaply.
The KitOwl I use the carbon felt sometimes.
Thank you
Outstanding!
cheers :)
It's a good thing I discovered this little gem of yours 10 months after you posted it, because now, after having been completely let down by the CHS (Capilarry Hoop Stove - amazing design, but for warmer climates) when I tried it in high altitudes (over 2000m), I see myself looking at the Fancee Feast as an option, and I can ask: have these 10 months confirmed that wicking material to be what you expected it to be?
Yes the wicking material, has been used a lot and its just as white as new and no shrinkage :)
Thank you!
try this rope much better
www.glowing-embers.co.uk/stove-accessories-stove-fire-rope-and-adhesive-c-160_193?gclid=CKSEmLa8oNQCFSIL0wodhRwBEQ
Interesting stuff, thanks for posting that. I do wonder what impact long term handling/bag-time might have on that material (it looks soft enough to be pressed down, reducing the wicking ability), but I see that you have it well recessed below the level of the tin, so perhaps not a problem. I had hoped to play around with carbon felt, but when I saw that the smallest piece that I could find was £40 I backed away from that idea. This on the other hand looks perfect for experimentation. £8 for a 1000x610mm takes away the sting of any failed efforts.
Thanks again for the fibre-glass version. The burn-in test went well and so a field test is in the offing.
Rhys
cool, at the moment the fibreglass is still the most robust and fastest wicking by far so i may stay with it for performance reasons. The 6mm version of ceramic looks ideal. Need lots more testing.
glad you likes the stove, will be good to see the outdoor pics :)
Any updates? How is the long-term use of this vs carbon fiber felt? Does it shrink over time like carbon fiber felt does?
No doesnt shrink, still using it no change so far.
Thanks. I just got Ceramic Paper and it seems to work fairly well. Is Ceramic cloth better than Ceramic paper?
@@crr5699 never heard of the paper ?
I'd like to get one of these fancy feast stoves.
Cool stuff! Love to try one of your cat can stoves with that wick material.
Subscribed! I am into wood stoves but do make alcohol chs stove. Checkout my channel if you have time. Sending you an email!
£18 for 0.61mX1.00m 6mm thick it's not cheap incl. Shipping.
Kaowool (trade name -sp?) is a mineral wool made from kaolin clay - an insulation material routinely used in the power industry - brilliant
Hi there Paul fox sent me over as I would like one of these stoves how do I go about getting one cheers
Good test looks good stuff. Have you tried fire rope?
www.fluesystems.com/shop/Fire_Rope.html
I'm looking at these stoves atm I have a stove that can take 2 mess tins at once I love it but its big and can take hexie blocks , wood or liquid fuel anything really but would also like a light weight for over nighters.so this is all good for me
thanks
the rope is nice but a bit heavy for these types of stoves. Best suited as a single upright wick i think.
light weight stoves really help on longer trips :)
Who was the bloke that made the original Fancee Feest stove?
Zelph on the whiteblaze forums, maybe thats you ?
UA-cam needs more boiling water videos!
I believe we call that "rock wool".
No rock wool is insulation for houses and its not ceramic.
Rock Wool is also what is used for seed starter blocks in the world of gardening!!!😁👍🏻
What is the purpose of the wick in a can. How is it better then just burning the alcohol it's self in the can? Is the alcohol longer lasting when absorbed into that as a wick? Is it just for easy transport rather then worry about carrying liquid that may spill? Oh heard at the end. Great idea. Thanks!
Jude W keeps flame on outside and easy to light
1) A wick keeps the pot stand in place and centered.
2) A wick makes the stove spill-resistant.
3) A wick directs the flames, and helps control their size.
4) (Goes with #1) A wick makes the stove all-inclusive, no fasteners needed, while allowing easy disassembly if needed for . . . I don't know, cleaning?
Very glad to find this video as I have ceramic fiber blanket on hand because of my hot glass kiln work and have had trouble sourcing carbon felt. Thank you! Please be advised this fiber does shed inhalable lint-like fragments...be extremely careful to not breathe these in as you manipulate it. Once it is stable as a wick compressed between the two cans it is much safer.
i found for the fancy feast stoves toilet paper works just as well, when it's placed between walls it wont ever burn up.
I also like it because if you want bigger or higher flames just tuck it deeper into the walls and/or squeeze more paper in between.
Dont need 1000 degree resistant material and all that stuff.
You can use anything as a wick, but things like paper degrade over time and are poor in damp conditions.
@@TacBlades if i poor water into it it keeps burning that sounds pretty damp to me. and its pretty damp here in the Netherlands at 3 degree Celcius anyway. I tried putting it out i dillited almost 1to1 and kept burning lol.
@@boratsagdiyev1586 its more absorbing water in damp condition when not lit. I am not saying it doesnt work its just a wick.