I really like this video about the expenses comparison. Thanks for doing it. Also by the way, I ordered some of your coffee about a month ago and just today tried it for the first time. I don’t know why but I guess, I wasn’t expecting as much from it. But I am here to tell you this is the best coffee I have ever tasted. I’m 66 years old and they been drinking coffee since I was a teenager. My preference has been flavored coffee which my friend referred to as poodle coffee instead of cowboy coffee. But let me tell you I have no words for how delightful morning movement is. You guys hit the jackpot and it’s now going to be The only coffee I drink thank you very much for bringing it to the US.
One thing you have to keep in mind about those living cost differences is that the money you'll earn there will often be less too. Not that isn't cheap compared to the U.S. but if you're earning an average local income I'm sure the ratio of earning to expenses would about the same. So figure out how to keep earning in USD if you want to live there.
Your point is valid, but most people wanting to do these things and live in another country typically work remotely and/or have an income from their respective country such as social security.
@Bojangles The US is at the forefront of the world’s foray into new forms of healthcare, cures and pharmaceuticals. The US is also over charged by its own medical companies BY FAR than any place in the world (google is your friend). Healthcare in this country for the working person, not getting aid or getting free or dirt cheap Obamacare (good on it’s inception then Obama handed it over to politicians, google is your friend) is killing the middle class. I have traveled and lived throughout the country and I have access to the internet and google... As a cop of 29.5 years, yeah, I traveled throughout my city extensively lmfao. US citizens are being raped by its own industries. Google epipen my friend. Google why a pharma CEO was ran out of his chair when he took a breast cancer pill and almost overnight, increased the cost almost 1000%. That’s JUST our medical at work... Use your thumbs on your phone and type google then come back with facts, not insults.
I just started watching your videos and I must say they always make me smile and make me realize that life is about the experience and not how much you have. By the way, the editing is really good
I enjoy watching your videos in Panama. I have one request. When you are travelling, don't put your feet up on the dash. As a retired firefighter I have seen what happens when an airbag (if truck has one) goes off in a minor accident. Thx from Canada.
There are recent news warnings about that, complete with xrays of a young woman’s broken femurs that fractured thru all areas of her pelvis at 100’s of miles an hour when the airbag fired during an accident. Horrific accident, permanently disabled. Don’t do it.
This was the best vid yet guys! Jordan, I love the way you broke down all the expenses. I am coming to visit Sunny Hills to see my mom, Barbara. I hope to get to meet you in person! Alternative, off gird living is kind of a passion of mine! I love that you two kids are really living life to the fullest. Bless you!
You guys are AWESOME!! Hope to have the honor of meeting you when I visit Panama! Ashamed to say that i signed up for residency about six years ago, and its been about three years since my last visit. Still have yet to visit that part of Panama. We all make plans then have them changed by forces outside of our control. Stay strong and keep those videos rolling!!
Also talk to foreigners who have been living in BOQUETE FOR MANY YEARS. I am an European expat for 31 years in various countries and speak fluent Spanish. Jacky´s tour is very good.
Kaylee if you're loving kombucha get 1 unflavored bottle and use it as a start in a gallon jug with strong sweet tea (unflavored) after 7-10 days you'll have a gallon of kombucha for the price of 1 bottle plus the price for 1/4 cup of tea leaves and your rainwater. There are videos all over youtube on how easy it is to make. I've been making my own for over a year. I'd send you a start if you think it would get to you in less than 2 weeks.
I think is important to know that you’re living in boquete, Panamá.. for example at the capital (panama city) the prince of living is wayyyy more expensive... btw love you guys ❤️
for sure i live in the city of Panamá and my electricity is 100 dollars not 25 for sure and in the city water is like 16 dollars a month , i guess in the place they are living they are giving them a package or something
@@arasanchez4247 I would like to know what devices you have connect to the electricity because I also live in Panama City and I pay a quarter of what you are paying.
sorry guys but your info is for city dwellers not country folk or offgriders ,,i live offgrid in tx going on 30 yrs now and my total expenses per month are less then $500 ,,that being shared all be it ,i love watching your growth and wish you the best,,
chris tignor I agree that they are not giving an apples to apples comparison of urban living costs and rural living costs. The other thing that I’d be interested in knowing is the income comparison. I’ll be willing to bet that the average income in Panama is substantially less than in the U.S. Therefore, while the costs may be less the revenue will also likely be significantly less, too. So, this comparison may only be useful for those who’ve already retired and are on a fixed U.S. income or those with a sizable nest egg who won’t need to earn a living while down there. Personally, I’ve not been overly impressed with what Panamanian life has to offer. Two of my biggest climate issues seem to be their norm: incredibly strong winds and rain for most all of these videos. I’m still waiting for the post-card-like weather in these videos that I’ve not yet seen. And the “beauty” of the scenery is just ho-hum to me. I see much more beauty right here in the good old U.S. of A. But, I’m perfectly content with our lives where we live here in Texas, too.
Love how you guys are bringing this from travel vlog to next level of living vlog. Enjoying seeing how you handle the challenges and enjoy the successes. Looking forward to more of the adventure.
OMG- That’s amazing!!!! I love your adventures and how down to Earth you are. It is refreshing to see two people truly embodying the free-spirit lifestyle. You don’t judge , nor do you put on airs. I’ve always wanted to embark on such a journey, but never been brave enough to take the leap of faith required to call one’s self to action. Is it safe in Panama? I’m a teacher and have often thought of moving to teach English in a foreign country. It’s beauty is beyond compare. I would love to lose the tech lifestyle here in the states and find a more quiet life filled with meaning. I would be on my own and wondered how safe it might be for a single woman to live there alone. Thank you for sharing your journey with us. God bless and stay safe.
Hi Donna, Panameña here. 👋🏼 Panama is a beautiful place. However I recommend a native and an interpreter to go with you. It sounds like you want to go into the jungles to teach English and get away from technology which I'm sad to say are thresh holds for colombian guerrillas and drug lords therefore not safe and can be dangerous. Especially if it's in the Darién
My wife and two daughters are seriously considering moving to Panama in the next year, give or take a bit. So specific information like this is really appreciated. Thanks.
I got sick in Nevis the West Indies. I got treated was in the hospital for two days. Bill was $350. I got sick last year in Florida. Went to the ER was there 6 hours Bill was $4500
Isn’t it crazy how health care in many other countries is affordable and effective? The USA has turned healthcare into a booming industry ruled by the greed of drug companies, hospitals, insurance companies, ambulance chasing attorneys, money hungry patients and many doctors (I said many not all). The most successful countries with the highest standards of living often have a version of socialized medicine. Here, all the parties heretofore mentioned, protect their vested interest via propaganda designed to create a terror of socialized medicine in the hearts of Americans. Norway, Canada, Iceland, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Britain, France, Japan, Germany etc... They all score 91% or higher on the ratings scale for health care worldwide. And best of all, their citizens don’t lose everything they have bc of insurmountable costs for services that everyone should have regardless of race, religion, sexual preference, gender , age or socio-economic level. The USA is becoming weakened by its lust for money.
Y’all have learned so much so far in your travels and I know all of us are so enjoying traveling with you !!! Can’t wait to see your tiny house finished. I know YOU can’t wait too. So what will ya do with your little 🚎?? Storage? Rental? Free housing for worker maybe ?? Just wondering. !! Be careful.. be safe. 🥰
Kaylee's $40k guesstimate for building fees is closer to the mark for Santa Cruz when you factor in school board fees (~$20k) for a new residence. Also expect $10-15k for a soils report and drainage plan and $6-12k for an architect or designer to create construction documents, so more like $60k+ before you're able to start trenching for utilities.
Great Video, I am about a year back in the US from living in Puerto Armuelles. and as has already been noted Boquete is a bit more expensive due to the number of expats living there. I was actually considering the place you are living in now before I decided to return to the US. There were some places up Volcano way that were a bit cheaper. In Puerto I lived about 3 miles out of town in a nice (Americanized) small 2 bed, a block from the beach which cost me $450 a month. Electricity $50-60 Air con, on most of the time when home. Internet was expensive at $99. Transportation, bicycle. Grocery $30-40 a week. Lots of citrus on the property.
I figured out a cheap way to get to Panama from SoCal. I put my smoker in the swimming pool and floated in it to test the theory. All I have to do is wait or the Pacific Ocean current to go clockwise and I'm jumping in. See you soon!
You can’t compare apples to oranges, the average American couples spend over 3700$/ month, but they make more than 5000$/ monthly. While you can live in panama for less than 1500$ per month, but the average wage there is what, 700$/ month?
What city are you in? Most expats start with Boquete. In addition to everything they mentioned, Panama is a very beautiful place. The flowers!!! The exotic tropical fruits!!! Everywhere!!! And if you are in the higher elevations, it's cool year 'round. AC not needed. Heating not needed. The one feature about the Volcan area that should be mentioned is that several months out of the year the have the windy season (Ba-ha-reh-keh) when the wind blows nearly hurricane force all night every night, and very gusty during the day. It takes some getting used to the noise at night, and houses have to be sturdily built to withstand it.
A straight cost vs. cost comparison neglects any consideration of VALUE. I value the convenience of a major metropolitan area. I like being able to go to an Apple store without boarding an international flight. I value having some legal recourse when things go wrong. I've recently read articles about couples getting screwed out of hundreds of thousands of dollars they deposited in a reputable bank. Zero recourse. Out their life savings. That is a concern not addressed in a simplistic cost v. cost comparison.
I own a duplex in Western Kentucky. The rent is $700, no utilities included. I live in the other half. My electric bill (July) was $216. Internet and phone $94. Cell phones $309 (six lines, unlimited data). Gas, water, sewer, and trash $112. Cable tv $98. Property tax $100. Property insurance $83. Mortgage $865. To put it in perspective, I also own a home in Southern California. The rent is $3,000 a month, no utilities included. Electric, gas, water, sewer, and trash are much higher, but the rest of the bills are the same, including property tax (thanks to Prop 13). We moved to Kentucky when our children were young in order to afford to live on one income. Now that we are ready to retire, we are moving to a Panama.
Always enjoy your videos always so much great information cost of living is much less in those countries but they appear to be so much friendlier than people here in the states although companies are getting better about customer service and being more personable with the public great video
In Europe, this also applies to Greece compared to Central Europe, but in most professions, the earnings are correspondingly lower or higher. I think that also applies to the USA and Panama.
Such an awesome video! You gave such great information. It’s a great starting point for those who might be interested in moving there. I’m sure it took you a while to put all that information together. I appreciate that. I think the UA-cam channel, Panama Relocation Tours, is a great place to get more information, as well. You two have never looked happier, healthier and it looks it amazing on you! I love you guys, give Lola a squeeze for me! Donna
We lived in Roslindale! Small world. We bought a house in NC in 2018 because Boston was just too expensive. Now we are looking at other places to possibly live. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Fabulous comparison of cost of living in Panama vs the US. You are blessed to be young enough to live off the land and take care of all your needs. Congratulations on taking a grand step forward!
Today I spent $1.76 per gallon at the pump in north Florida. A month ago it was almost a dollar more a gallon. Hope it keeps on this trend, living on retirement, I like taking off to the woods on adventures. Hunting, trapping and foraging adventures. Free food gives me more spending money, and it's fun.
@@marshahampel1645 Name one place trapping is illegal, besides in parks & play grounds??? You can't can you, because it is not! It taste better than the pink slime blended GMO stuff you call food that you buy in the grocery store. If you're a Vegan, then you're missing a very important brain nutrient in your diet...its called MEAT! Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat fore you, even as the green herb I have given you all things. The fact remains that someone had to kill the meat you buy in the stores, and no one is going to shame me from feeding myself and others. So if you're looking for someone who cares what you think, you came to the wrong place. Have a nice day.
If you’re willing to share it, I’d be interested in knowing how you two plan to support yourselves longer term? Do you plan just to do UA-cam videos, scrounge for patrons and sponsorships, sell coffee or homemade goods, or, are you planning to garner an income from what you grow, get local jobs, etc.?
They live off of UA-cam and selling coffee and their merchandise but their videos have become quite dull I really stopped watching if I wanted to watch somebody build all I got to do is drive down the road LOL
Thank you for your videos. I really enjoy seeing the country. I lived there for 2 years in the early 90's. I've heard from expats and people that family there that Panama city and the Atlantic side are still very dangerous. Curious if you have to avoid certain parts of the country and cities. I would never go any where near the Darien Gap after some of the documentaries I've seen. Do you have a way to get updates on where to avoid, the embassy maybe?
Your comment should have more likes. Panama is not a fantasy land though it looks like it, glad you brought up Darién. It's absolutely beautiful there. Colombian Narcos think so too...
This information is greatly appreciate it. I don't know you in person but just watching you in every video wich I never missed. I feel like I've known you for ever I love the way you guys are very down to earth, sweet and sincere. Thank you for giving us the information of the cost of living there. I whish that one day I'll meet you in person. Love you both.😍
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Those averages are just that an average across the US not in CALIFORNIA $$$$$$ I pay $1700 in sonoma co CA for a micro one bedroom apt $ 60-100 pge $90 wifi only no cable $ 1200 food ( i make my special needs doggies food- organic chix breast) $300 gas $150 INS health insurance $185 plus co pays last dr apt was $120 co pay 9 blood tests/ekg0 perscriptions vitamins $100 I CANT WAIT TO RETIRE EARLY AGE 62 TO PANAMA
LOL in Idaho my permit cost 20 dollars and I built my own house. My 10 acres, 160 foot well, 1500 sf house built cost me as much as your bare land did. I live on a mountain that over looks a lake and valley and its off grid. All non food expenses including house, auto insurance for 3 vehicles, gas for some generator use, gas for vehicles, health care for 4 people, propane, internet, 2 cell phones, 3 online streaming services, YMCA membership, property tax, life insurance cost 600 dollars. Healthy mostly vegetarian diet (a little fish, eggs and turkey) shopping at costco and local stores cost 500. So we average a little less than you do on the same items. Additional expenses that I have. I spend about 100 dollars expressing my 2nd amendment, 20 dollars on green coffee beans that I roast for myself. Clothes, movies, house and vehicle maintenance, travel, snowboarding ect about 500. Even my gas is 25 cents less per gallon. Way cheaper to live in the USA than Panama. With that being said you are being culturally enriched and you cant put a price tag on that.
@XRP FANBOY I’d challenge that $600 for all listed under it... Especially the health insurance unless you’re lucky ad have a job that covers most of it (becoming rarer as pharma and healthcare skyrocket, bigger farce than the oil industry). It also depends on what states... CA my 2019 travel trailer was going to cost $839 to register it, that’s a yearly registration, there is no multi-year registration except 2 years for atv type vehicles and permanent for small utility trailers. My 2007 Honda $149, 2016 KLR650 $129, 2001 Dodge Ram 2500 diesel $349. In Montana, travel trailer with permanent (never pay registration again) with specialized charity plates and customized word, $225. Same cost for each of my vehicles but less for the atv and motorcycle. Permanent.... amazing. But there are MANY states out there that are as expensive as CA. Housing throughout the US is becoming ridiculous with only pockets of areas still cheap.
I think you missed the point. Jordan was trying to illustrate the costs vs average American spending. There will always be someone somewhere doing it cheaper. I suspect that at least 3-4 months a year you are heating your mountain home.. does the wood cut and stack itself? You likely get 10' of snow a year there. There are as many pros and cons to any situation. Jordan was just pointing out the costs where they are living.
@@soving 3-6 feet of snow at my elevation in the winter, I wish it was more but I can always go up higher for more. Uh and I use wood to heat my house for 6 months at least LOL. My wood heats the house, heats the water, and with the wood cook stove cooks meals in the winter. I cut and stack the wood myself in the summer. I love it, only costs me a few bucks in gas for the chainsaw and keeps me in shape to:) And that may be the average cost for an American in a big city like Boston where they are from. But they moved to rural central America. Perhaps I got the wrong impression but they need to do a cost comparison of the rural mekka off-grid USA to the rural mekka off-grid of Central America.
@@ibMoose2u Health care for entire family is just under 200. But that is the case, I am spending less to live with a family of 4 than they are with 2 and Im not even on my parents healthcare. But you are correct that some states are getting expensive especially the states that love big government like Cali. My parents pay more in property tax (for a tiny lot and a house) in one year than I do in 10 years. I would never live in CA again.
Great segment. It is no wonder why we have so many homeless here in the USA. If it were not for my planning for retirement 20 years before I did there would be no way one could afford the math you calculated. You have made a very wise choice at a young age. I would rather live like royalty somewhere else instead of being ripped off by government and corporations. As a retired federal worker I still pay almost $400 per month (single coverage) on health insurance and paid that every 2 weeks before I did retire. Lots of federal workers were lied to back then as being a government employee was not popular.
You guys are awesome & I love watching your videos. But I have to say that equally I loved that cup of morning movement coffee I received yesterday. I drank it black though I'm usually a cream & sugar user & you are to correct it doesn't need them. Delicious, thank you
In Sweden I pay about $230 in rent and heat, $25 in electricity, $23 for 10GB surf, unlimited call and message on phone, $34 for 100/10Mb fiber, $45 for insurance on car and apartment. And then I pay about $100 a month on petrol and $250-300 on food. That is about $750 on a $2000 salary. I've had these ideas about moving to Spain, Greece or other warm countries but maybe I should just get a van and keep living i Sweden. Get a van, live cheap and enjoy life :)
I am from the states living in Malaysia. Wife and I went over cost using your list accept I added car payment. Own new 3 bedroom condo, sports car, 2,000 USD a month, medical is very cheap compaired to usa. If we lived away from the big city would cost 30% less. Like your videos.
@@lostandlooking i do but here in panama they dont make clothes or anything like that they just do farming here in my country but the pay is bad but for them its good because they live in areas where they dont need much money to survive
Wow here in the states I pay $830 to mortgage on a 5 bed 3 bath house on 3 acres and I average $80-$100 per month for utilities, I pay $200 for medical insurance, $160 for food, $45 for unlimited phone, around $75 for gas, and I pay $36 per month for car insurance. For a total of $1436 per month. If I was married it might raise it to $2,000
Hi...nice change of subject matter, but still excited to get updates on homestead... I do belive costs vary greatly in where one lives in the states...but there are certainly some really crazy lower prices in Panama. Was wondering about cable & dog food which I know you make for lola. Then, your expenses for developing the homestead. Thanks for this information about llife in Panama. Blessings for kaylee, jordan & lola in their new life 🙋♀️
You pretty much missed the mark with your UTILITIES quote: Your provided link at valuepenguin actually quotes strictly the utilities at $320/mo and that includes CELL SERVICE which isn't in your $6.20 by any means right? In fairness, even amortizing your WiBooster ($499.00) over a 10 life should add $4/mo... To get to $589, they're adding in lawn maintenance, baby sitting, pest control and security systems, and household items such as towels or a new kitchen table. So your $6.20 should go up significantly, and you should have quoted the $320, with mentioning LOTS of caveats... as anything on either side of the equation that isn't applicable should be called out.
Wow. It costs me nearly £400 per year for insurance for a Chevy Cruze here in the UK. And our gas prices are £1.24 per litre (so around $8 per gallon). I think I'd probably be saving money if I moved to Boston!
YAY, Santa Cruz, my beautiful home. Well you always have a place you can stay in charming Santa Cruz, CA. I love my beautiful redwood forest, well at least in all the seasons, except winter... lol. I live off of hwy 9 in a little town called Felton. We've one of the only original covered bridges and steam engine trains left in the U.S. Come back and visit.....
Obtaining Panamanian citizenship (takes years) has zero effect on paying US and Panama taxes. BTW renouncing US citizenship requires following strict rules, and the US is the decider, not the applicant. Unless you are Tina Turner or the like, no advantage.
Im an asphalt worker in Pa. Got a so called dream job offer at a company that told me at interview that my insurance was 70 a week. After my first check i found out it was 168.00 a week and didn't include eye or dental!!! Wtf. And i went to pickup a prescription two weeks later, it was 503.00!!! Here the insurance had a 7000 deductible. Long story short immediately put in 2 weeks notice and am back at previous employer paying 38.00 a week includes eye and dental!!! Got a spare room in Panama for me! Lol
That was interesting info regarding the cost of living .Thanks Here in South Africa the cost of fuel converted to dollar is 1 litre fuel is $1. Mobile basic contract with voice 100min/data 100meg would cost $26. Electricity and water $96. Average rental on 2 bedroom home $510 per month.
Well Boston is really expensive and is above average cost. For instance car insurance in New Hampshire is waaaay less than Boston. I pay $60 month for full coverage on my WRX. Even if you compared Wakefield, MA to Boston it's like $800 less a yr than Boston. Boston ans MA in general is very expensive to live. That's why I moved out of there.
That's what I thought, too, but then Jordan mentioned Life Alive. Life Alive is a wonderful small restaurant chain in eastern Massachusetts. Their food is holistic and very healthy. You can get a lunch sized meal for under $10 USD. Smoothies are $6-8. However, if you ate there a lot your food bill would go up.
That was great to hear what Panamanian and US costs are .... just have to convert to Canadian now. Its very helpful for those of us contemplating a move to either location.... cheers...
I feel like the rent costs are skewed - the apartment is $550 a month so to compare to an average couple in the US you should be using that , not $275 because you are splitting it with another couple - the average couple in the US would not be doing that.
I love your videos so much. Your bus on your plot of land is exciting, and I can’t wait to watch you develop your off the grid homestead. You’re living my dream. I got stopped by the pandemic. I hope to get back on track asap. You are selling me on Boquete, as I’ve been thinking back and forth between there and Panama City. Once I can get there, I’ll be able to decide more easily. Keep your helpful info coming regularly. I really appreciate it all. Thank you. --Michael, Long Island, NY
I will say that the housing amount for California is much higher than "the average." This information you have shared is great info. If I didn't have my dogs I would for sure go for 2-3 months to check it out. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for taking the time to share this information. Seems as if almost same prices as if I lived in Puerto Rico's country side of the Island. Everything is just the same, except for the health care which is terrible in Puerto Rio and now the every day earthquakes. Glad you guys have found a place to call home and build and do a you please. May the Lord bless you guys every day more and more. Thanks again for taking the time to share all your adventures.
Kaylie’s insurance wasn’t and isn’t zero, her parents are charged for her coverage. Their employer may pay a large percent of this, it I would surprised if her parents aren’t at least paying $200 -$500 a month for her to be on their plan.
You should remember that her insurance would be the same cost in the US. But most US insurance will only cover extreme emergencies & sadly won't cover her past being tourists. They should make sure they are covered, normally you need insurance from that country.
The cost of living is great in Panama thank you for sharing. I am curious, what is the taxes like ? Is there a income tax? sale tax? property tax? would like to know. Unlike the U.S. we are tax at every which way we turn :(
@@leoblumhagen644 Thank you, I would think you would. But living there other than the cost of living I'm would think you would accure some sort of additional tax.
Jim that would probably depend on where your income was from. I know Mexico does not charge any income tax on expats earnings from non Mexican sources ie: US Social Security, pensions, interest or dividends, I’m not sure if UA-camrs are taxed on earnings made in US if paid in US, then withdrawn in MX using an ATM and spent as cash
Those were some mind blowing statistics. Naturally I compared it to our Canadian dollar and budget. We pay on average $1.20 to $1.45 for fuel per liter. Panama is $0.65/L that is $0.87/L Canadian. Big difference. Rent is very responsible too. The vehicle insurance was the biggest difference and you guys spend the same on food that we do as a family of 4 😉😁💙 but we cook alot of food and don't done out often. Great video guys ❤️ ♥️🇨🇦
Wow the video was really jerky jerky this time as you went back and forth as you spoke to the camera. It actually made me have motion sickness. Did anyone else feel this? Not trying to be a “jerk” just some feedback.
My friend lives in Michigan and it cost him over $50,000 for his hip surgery, now he's fighting Workers compensation as he hurt himself doing roofing and fell 25 feet from the roof.
$500 to $600 a month for food for my family of 4 here in Oregon. $4 a month for my Magic jack landline phone(plus the cost of internet, obviously). I have heard that internet is a lot cheaper and better in some countries other than the US. Internet sucks in the US. Garbage $22 a month. Water and sewer $75 a month.
I'm allllllll the wayyyy up here on the coast of Maine ! I can't get there from he-ya...lol !! Its amazing that the cost of living is just about half of what it is here in the states ! My little lady is from North Attelboro Mass and understands that Mass is a very expensive state to live in and don't blame you two for wanting to live their ! Love the videos...keep'em coming !!
I just got back from my 11th trip to Peru. These "retirement" countries are a new wave, and growing! I heard Ecuador is a favorite for Americans. Costa Rica is more expensive because single western men have driven up prices. Panama seems to be popular. There are very peaceful and violent countries and districts(stay away from Guatemala). The amenities are growing but you'd think comforts from the US would be accessible in Panama.
Health ins. Is free for me in the United States, retired 69 year old, saved all my life - for what I don’t know, put 3 children through college, owe nothing, still back my children and grand children like every day.
Just started watching some of your videos. Good stuff, but if you haven't done a walk of the land yet on video, it would be nice to see what plants and features are there when time allows. Maybe there is a naturally occuring wind calm area to be found. Mainly, I wanted to suggest you use a rust treatment for your steel work. It will neutralize the minor surface rust and prevent new rust forming. No grinding it back down to metal, paint optional for ascetics. It us used in aviation and auto metal work. I have used Permatex RT-8A Rust Treatment, item #81775. Just paint it on and let it cure.
I am military and considered the Philippines because the Base there closed down but they kept the VA hospital going. Its the only Hospital left in a foreign country. If I go anywhere else the VA won’t cover me.
@@janina8559 Interesting you talk about the VA. I have researched it and the VA will still pay for medical, doesn't matter where you live. Let me post off the VA gov website. As a Veteran living or traveling abroad, you can receive medical care for VA service-connected disabilities through our VA Foreign Medical Program. Under this program, we assume payment responsibility for the necessary treatment of service-connected disabilities.If you’re a Veteran who lives overseas, you remain entitled to the benefits and services you earned through your military service. Most VA benefits are payable regardless of your place of residence or nationality. VA benefits include disability compensation, pension, education and training, health care, home loans, insurance, vocational rehabilitation and employment and burial.
XRP FANBOY yes I have VA benefits but no service connected injuries so they would cover me if I have an emergency in a Foreign Country but not for regular doctor appointments and medications. Iam a vet because I served in Wartime in the conflict area. I don’t have an injuries from my service. If I did they would cover me. I have health problems so need Medical. Atleast this is what I have been told.
Interesting video. Could you probably elaborate on the food a bit more? So basically is there also good organic meat available at the farmer markets and how much does it cost? Or is it mainly veggies and fruits?
1,100 a month you spent on food, omg. I keep it at 200.00 or less but if I wanted a variety of food, it would be 300.00 a month. Pretty much everything has increased once again, so I doubt I will pay the 300.00 a month on myself.
If you factor in the cost of your land it's not that great of a deal. Very surprised bare land was that expensive, or did you guys just pay premium for being gringos. Doesn't make sense rent being that cheap when land is so expensive. Enjoy your adventure, wish I did stuff like that when I was young. Thanks for the content.
very good report this week. great comparisons, you picked the right categories and your conclusions make a very compelling reason to pick Panama. At your age, you don't have many worries of disease. But, because you are doing construction, and there's always the possibility of being hurt on the job, it may be a good idea to get local health insurance, as you are more likely to need insurance for an emergency-room visit than for a long term condition. At $275/mo it is better to rent than to own. There is a Salvador YT channel I follow, Prefabricados Nahuat. For all you know, there's companies in Panama doing the same. This may be of help when you are ready to build other cabins on your property. The bigger challenge you face is, once you determine how many cabins you will want on your property, what are you going to do about sewage and water? how are you going to dispose of trash from, say, 10 cabins? You will need electricity, solar is not going to be enough. How will your guests be getting to and from town? what regulations will you encounter as the local government realizes mmm, here's a future business in the making, how can we TAX them?
Good video. However Boston USA is one of the most expensive cities to live in. I live on $1300./ month including 2018 leased Chevy pickup. In Pennsylvania
I really like this video about the expenses comparison. Thanks for doing it. Also by the way, I ordered some of your coffee about a month ago and just today tried it for the first time. I don’t know why but I guess, I wasn’t expecting as much from it. But I am here to tell you this is the best coffee I have ever tasted. I’m 66 years old and they been drinking coffee since I was a teenager. My preference has been flavored coffee which my friend referred to as poodle coffee instead of cowboy coffee. But let me tell you I have no words for how delightful morning movement is. You guys hit the jackpot and it’s now going to be The only coffee I drink thank you very much for bringing it to the US.
One thing you have to keep in mind about those living cost differences is that the money you'll earn there will often be less too. Not that isn't cheap compared to the U.S. but if you're earning an average local income I'm sure the ratio of earning to expenses would about the same. So figure out how to keep earning in USD if you want to live there.
Your point is valid, but most people wanting to do these things and live in another country typically work remotely and/or have an income from their respective country such as social security.
Didn’t hear anything about healthcare, just eating McDonalds every day....
@Bojangles EVERYWHERE in the world will be cheaper than the US...
Mark Cole ? Have you been everywhere? How about everywhere in your town?
@Bojangles The US is at the forefront of the world’s foray into new forms of healthcare, cures and pharmaceuticals. The US is also over charged by its own medical companies BY FAR than any place in the world (google is your friend). Healthcare in this country for the working person, not getting aid or getting free or dirt cheap Obamacare (good on it’s inception then Obama handed it over to politicians, google is your friend) is killing the middle class. I have traveled and lived throughout the country and I have access to the internet and google... As a cop of 29.5 years, yeah, I traveled throughout my city extensively lmfao. US citizens are being raped by its own industries. Google epipen my friend. Google why a pharma CEO was ran out of his chair when he took a breast cancer pill and almost overnight, increased the cost almost 1000%. That’s JUST our medical at work... Use your thumbs on your phone and type google then come back with facts, not insults.
I just started watching your videos and I must say they always make me smile and make me realize that life is about the experience and not how much you have. By the way, the editing is really good
I enjoy watching your videos in Panama. I have one request. When you are travelling, don't put your feet up on the dash. As a retired firefighter I have seen what happens when an airbag (if truck has one) goes off in a minor accident. Thx from Canada.
There are recent news warnings about that, complete with xrays of a young woman’s broken femurs that fractured thru all areas of her pelvis at 100’s of miles an hour when the airbag fired during an accident. Horrific accident, permanently disabled. Don’t do it.
I agree. Retired EMT here
You don't want them eating their knees?
Couldn’t agree more Bob McKenzie! Love to you from Australia!
Stupid people deserve all the stupid shit that happens to them..
This was the best vid yet guys! Jordan, I love the way you broke down all the expenses. I am coming to visit Sunny Hills to see my mom, Barbara. I hope to get to meet you in person! Alternative, off gird living is kind of a passion of mine! I love that you two kids are really living life to the fullest. Bless you!
You guys are AWESOME!! Hope to have the honor of meeting you when I visit Panama! Ashamed to say that i signed up for residency about six years ago, and its been about three years since my last visit. Still have yet to visit that part of Panama. We all make plans then have them changed by forces outside of our control. Stay strong and keep those videos rolling!!
She really loves him. It's in the way she looks at him. It's such a great thing to see.
I noticed that too. It must be nice having a beautiful woman hanging on your every word.
It's rare today. Literally diamond in the rough in today's world, if you do find the one like that
Thanks so much! I'm flying to Panama Friday for Jackie Lang's tour. I'll be in Boquete 3 weeks after the tour. I hope to meet you 😊
Also talk to foreigners who have been living in BOQUETE FOR MANY YEARS. I am an European expat for 31 years in various countries and speak fluent Spanish. Jacky´s tour is very good.
Good luck
Jackie’s tours are sold out through 2021, but I’ve got us on a waiting list. We’re more interested in living near the coast, maybe the Coronado area.
dont go near the illicit drugs!
Kaylee if you're loving kombucha get 1 unflavored bottle and use it as a start in a gallon jug with strong sweet tea (unflavored) after 7-10 days you'll have a gallon of kombucha for the price of 1 bottle plus the price for 1/4 cup of tea leaves and your rainwater. There are videos all over youtube on how easy it is to make. I've been making my own for over a year. I'd send you a start if you think it would get to you in less than 2 weeks.
I think is important to know that you’re living in boquete, Panamá.. for example at the capital (panama city) the prince of living is wayyyy more expensive... btw love you guys ❤️
Exactly, I find Panama city to be equal to Miami.
@@Zinctwentyone True, but Boquete is an expensive place as well, in comparison to the non-tourist towns.
boquete NO ,Bugatti OH YEAH! :)
for sure i live in the city of Panamá and my electricity is 100 dollars not 25 for sure and in the city water is like 16 dollars a month , i guess in the place they are living they are giving them a package or something
@@arasanchez4247 I would like to know what devices you have connect to the electricity because I also live in Panama City and I pay a quarter of what you are paying.
sorry guys but your info is for city dwellers not country folk or offgriders ,,i live offgrid in tx going on 30 yrs now and my total expenses per month are less then $500 ,,that being shared all be it ,i love watching your growth and wish you the best,,
Yeah we are country as well, in Massachusetts and my land was just as much as theirs and I have 4 acres 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
chris tignor they were comparing average Americans to average Panamanian.
chris tignor I agree that they are not giving an apples to apples comparison of urban living costs and rural living costs. The other thing that I’d be interested in knowing is the income comparison. I’ll be willing to bet that the average income in Panama is substantially less than in the U.S. Therefore, while the costs may be less the revenue will also likely be significantly less, too. So, this comparison may only be useful for those who’ve already retired and are on a fixed U.S. income or those with a sizable nest egg who won’t need to earn a living while down there.
Personally, I’ve not been overly impressed with what Panamanian life has to offer. Two of my biggest climate issues seem to be their norm: incredibly strong winds and rain for most all of these videos. I’m still waiting for the post-card-like weather in these videos that I’ve not yet seen. And the “beauty” of the scenery is just ho-hum to me. I see much more beauty right here in the good old U.S. of A. But, I’m perfectly content with our lives where we live here in Texas, too.
Love how you guys are bringing this from travel vlog to next level of living vlog. Enjoying seeing how you handle the challenges and enjoy the successes. Looking forward to more of the adventure.
Wowww that’s an amazing saving, so cheap to live and a great quality of life ... well done you guys for creating a new life ...🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
What a cute loving couple. You can see how much they love each other
OMG- That’s amazing!!!! I love your adventures and how down to Earth you are. It is refreshing to see two people truly embodying the free-spirit lifestyle. You don’t judge , nor do you put on airs. I’ve always wanted to embark on such a journey, but never been brave enough to take the leap of faith required to call one’s self to action. Is it safe in Panama? I’m a teacher and have often thought of moving to teach English in a foreign country. It’s beauty is beyond compare. I would love to lose the tech lifestyle here in the states and find a more quiet life filled with meaning. I would be on my own and wondered how safe it might be for a single woman to live there alone. Thank you for sharing your journey with us. God bless and stay safe.
Hi Donna, Panameña here. 👋🏼
Panama is a beautiful place. However I recommend a native and an interpreter to go with you. It sounds like you want to go into the jungles to teach English and get away from technology which I'm sad to say are thresh holds for colombian guerrillas and drug lords therefore not safe and can be dangerous. Especially if it's in the Darién
In the larger cities and towns English is widely spoken, and US dollar is standard currency everywhere, in addition to the Panama Balboa.
My wife and two daughters are seriously considering moving to Panama in the next year, give or take a bit. So specific information like this is really appreciated. Thanks.
I got sick in Nevis the West Indies. I got treated was in the hospital for two days. Bill was $350. I got sick last year in Florida. Went to the ER was there 6 hours Bill was $4500
Yeah, we know dude.
Isn’t it crazy how health care in many other countries is affordable and effective? The USA has turned healthcare into a booming industry ruled by the greed of drug companies, hospitals, insurance companies, ambulance chasing attorneys, money hungry patients and many doctors (I said many not all). The most successful countries with the highest standards of living often have a version of socialized medicine. Here, all the parties heretofore mentioned, protect their vested interest via propaganda designed to create a terror of socialized medicine in the hearts of Americans. Norway, Canada, Iceland, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Britain, France, Japan, Germany etc... They all score 91% or higher on the ratings scale for health care worldwide. And best of all, their citizens don’t lose everything they have bc of insurmountable costs for services that everyone should have regardless of race, religion, sexual preference, gender , age or socio-economic level. The USA is becoming weakened by its lust for money.
Y’all have learned so much so far in your travels and I know all of us are so enjoying traveling with you !!! Can’t wait to see your tiny house finished. I know YOU can’t wait too. So what will ya do with your little 🚎?? Storage? Rental? Free housing for worker maybe ?? Just wondering. !! Be careful.. be safe. 🥰
Kaylee's $40k guesstimate for building fees is closer to the mark for Santa Cruz when you factor in school board fees (~$20k) for a new residence. Also expect $10-15k for a soils report and drainage plan and $6-12k for an architect or designer to create construction documents, so more like $60k+ before you're able to start trenching for utilities.
Enjoy all the info you guys give out. Your doing a great job.. you have youth on your side❤
Great Video, I am about a year back in the US from living in Puerto Armuelles. and as has already been noted Boquete is a bit more expensive due to the number of expats living there. I was actually considering the place you are living in now before I decided to return to the US. There were some places up Volcano way that were a bit cheaper.
In Puerto I lived about 3 miles out of town in a nice (Americanized) small 2 bed, a block from the beach which cost me $450 a month. Electricity $50-60 Air con, on most of the time when home. Internet was expensive at $99. Transportation, bicycle. Grocery $30-40 a week. Lots of citrus on the property.
Thanks for that info
Lived in Boston with my sister and roommate $2300/mo utilities not included.
Thank you for all this info! I appreciate learning from your experiences.
I figured out a cheap way to get to Panama from SoCal. I put my smoker in the swimming pool and floated in it to test the theory. All I have to do is wait or the Pacific Ocean current to go clockwise and I'm jumping in. See you soon!
Major topic. Thanks for your input which reinforces others ' calculations.
Tim Freeman
You can’t compare apples to oranges, the average American couples spend over 3700$/ month, but they make more than 5000$/ monthly. While you can live in panama for less than 1500$ per month, but the average wage there is what, 700$/ month?
You guys are great! Love watching your videos and already looking forward to the next upload👍🏻
What city are you in? Most expats start with Boquete. In addition to everything they mentioned, Panama is a very beautiful place. The flowers!!! The exotic tropical fruits!!! Everywhere!!! And if you are in the higher elevations, it's cool year 'round. AC not needed. Heating not needed. The one feature about the Volcan area that should be mentioned is that several months out of the year the have the windy season (Ba-ha-reh-keh) when the wind blows nearly hurricane force all night every night, and very gusty during the day. It takes some getting used to the noise at night, and houses have to be sturdily built to withstand it.
Very nice and informative videos, keep up the good work!
Like comparing apples and oranges
i like Santa
A straight cost vs. cost comparison neglects any consideration of VALUE. I value the convenience of a major metropolitan area. I like being able to go to an Apple store without boarding an international flight. I value having some legal recourse when things go wrong. I've recently read articles about couples getting screwed out of hundreds of thousands of dollars they deposited in a reputable bank. Zero recourse. Out their life savings. That is a concern not addressed in a simplistic cost v. cost comparison.
I own a duplex in Western Kentucky. The rent is $700, no utilities included. I live in the other half. My electric bill (July) was $216. Internet and phone $94. Cell phones $309 (six lines, unlimited data). Gas, water, sewer, and trash $112. Cable tv $98. Property tax $100. Property insurance $83. Mortgage $865. To put it in perspective, I also own a home in Southern California. The rent is $3,000 a month, no utilities included. Electric, gas, water, sewer, and trash are much higher, but the rest of the bills are the same, including property tax (thanks to Prop 13). We moved to Kentucky when our children were young in order to afford to live on one income. Now that we are ready to retire, we are moving to a Panama.
Always enjoy your videos always so much great information cost of living is much less in those countries but they appear to be so much friendlier than people here in the states although companies are getting better about customer service and being more personable with the public great video
In Europe, this also applies to Greece compared to Central Europe, but in most professions, the earnings are correspondingly lower or higher. I think that also applies to the USA and Panama.
Such an awesome video!
You gave such great information. It’s a great starting point for those who might be interested in moving there.
I’m sure it took you a while to put all that information together. I appreciate that.
I think the UA-cam channel, Panama Relocation Tours, is a great place to get more information, as well.
You two have never looked happier, healthier and it looks it amazing on you!
I love you guys, give Lola a squeeze for me!
Donna
We lived in Roslindale! Small world. We bought a house in NC in 2018 because Boston was just too expensive. Now we are looking at other places to possibly live. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Fabulous comparison of cost of living in Panama vs the US. You are blessed to be young enough to live off the land and take care of all your needs. Congratulations on taking a grand step forward!
Thanks for the info guys. Appreciate ya!!
💜💜 Be safe and keep growing. I love you guys!
Love how you call her out on food
Yes food
I'm the same food is important!
Today I spent $1.76 per gallon at the pump in north Florida. A month ago it was almost a dollar more a gallon. Hope it keeps on this trend, living on retirement, I like taking off to the woods on adventures. Hunting, trapping and foraging adventures. Free food gives me more spending money, and it's fun.
Trapping is cruel and disgusting... illegal in many areas...gross
@@marshahampel1645 Name one place trapping is illegal, besides in parks & play grounds??? You can't can you, because it is not!
It taste better than the pink slime blended GMO stuff you call food that you buy in the grocery store.
If you're a Vegan, then you're missing a very important brain nutrient in your diet...its called MEAT!
Genesis 9:3
Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat fore you, even as the green herb I have given you all things.
The fact remains that someone had to kill the meat you buy in the stores, and no one is going to shame me from feeding myself and others. So if you're looking for someone who cares what you think, you came to the wrong place. Have a nice day.
If you’re willing to share it, I’d be interested in knowing how you two plan to support yourselves longer term? Do you plan just to do UA-cam videos, scrounge for patrons and sponsorships, sell coffee or homemade goods, or, are you planning to garner an income from what you grow, get local jobs, etc.?
they want to do sustainable farming
They live off of UA-cam and selling coffee and their merchandise but their videos have become quite dull I really stopped watching if I wanted to watch somebody build all I got to do is drive down the road LOL
Thank you for your videos. I really enjoy seeing the country. I lived there for 2 years in the early 90's. I've heard from expats and people that family there that Panama city and the Atlantic side are still very dangerous. Curious if you have to avoid certain parts of the country and cities. I would never go any where near the Darien Gap after some of the documentaries I've seen. Do you have a way to get updates on where to avoid, the embassy maybe?
Your comment should have more likes.
Panama is not a fantasy land though it looks like it, glad you brought up Darién. It's absolutely beautiful there. Colombian Narcos think so too...
This information is greatly appreciate it. I don't know you in person but just watching you in every video wich I never missed. I feel like I've known you for ever I love the way you guys are very down to earth, sweet and sincere. Thank you for giving us the information of the cost of living there. I whish that one day I'll meet you in person. Love you both.😍
If ya don't know yet, Movistar offers unlimited plans are $40. Even if you want to pay as you go, they have an app that you can buy $5, $10, $20 dollars worth of minutes. No need to buy the plastic card. Abrazo.
My first car was a BMW 325 b.y 1986. I was 18 year old. And cost €1870.- per year .
It was a sportscar.
Those averages are just that an average across the US not in CALIFORNIA $$$$$$
I pay $1700 in sonoma co CA for a micro one bedroom apt
$ 60-100 pge
$90 wifi only no cable
$ 1200 food ( i make my special needs doggies food- organic chix breast)
$300 gas
$150 INS
health insurance $185 plus co pays last dr apt was $120 co pay 9 blood tests/ekg0
perscriptions vitamins $100
I CANT WAIT TO RETIRE EARLY AGE 62 TO PANAMA
LOL in Idaho my permit cost 20 dollars and I built my own house. My 10 acres, 160 foot well, 1500 sf house built cost me as much as your bare land did. I live on a mountain that over looks a lake and valley and its off grid. All non food expenses including house, auto insurance for 3 vehicles, gas for some generator use, gas for vehicles, health care for 4 people, propane, internet, 2 cell phones, 3 online streaming services, YMCA membership, property tax, life insurance cost 600 dollars. Healthy mostly vegetarian diet (a little fish, eggs and turkey) shopping at costco and local stores cost 500. So we average a little less than you do on the same items. Additional expenses that I have. I spend about 100 dollars expressing my 2nd amendment, 20 dollars on green coffee beans that I roast for myself. Clothes, movies, house and vehicle maintenance, travel, snowboarding ect about 500. Even my gas is 25 cents less per gallon. Way cheaper to live in the USA than Panama. With that being said you are being culturally enriched and you cant put a price tag on that.
@XRP FANBOY I’d challenge that $600 for all listed under it... Especially the health insurance unless you’re lucky ad have a job that covers most of it (becoming rarer as pharma and healthcare skyrocket, bigger farce than the oil industry). It also depends on what states... CA my 2019 travel trailer was going to cost $839 to register it, that’s a yearly registration, there is no multi-year registration except 2 years for atv type vehicles and permanent for small utility trailers. My 2007 Honda $149, 2016 KLR650 $129, 2001 Dodge Ram 2500 diesel $349. In Montana, travel trailer with permanent (never pay registration again) with specialized charity plates and customized word, $225. Same cost for each of my vehicles but less for the atv and motorcycle. Permanent.... amazing. But there are MANY states out there that are as expensive as CA. Housing throughout the US is becoming ridiculous with only pockets of areas still cheap.
I think you missed the point. Jordan was trying to illustrate the costs vs average American spending. There will always be someone somewhere doing it cheaper. I suspect that at least 3-4 months a year you are heating your mountain home.. does the wood cut and stack itself? You likely get 10' of snow a year there. There are as many pros and cons to any situation. Jordan was just pointing out the costs where they are living.
@@soving 3-6 feet of snow at my elevation in the winter, I wish it was more but I can always go up higher for more. Uh and I use wood to heat my house for 6 months at least LOL. My wood heats the house, heats the water, and with the wood cook stove cooks meals in the winter. I cut and stack the wood myself in the summer. I love it, only costs me a few bucks in gas for the chainsaw and keeps me in shape to:) And that may be the average cost for an American in a big city like Boston where they are from. But they moved to rural central America. Perhaps I got the wrong impression but they need to do a cost comparison of the rural mekka off-grid USA to the rural mekka off-grid of Central America.
@@ibMoose2u Health care for entire family is just under 200. But that is the case, I am spending less to live with a family of 4 than they are with 2 and Im not even on my parents healthcare. But you are correct that some states are getting expensive especially the states that love big government like Cali. My parents pay more in property tax (for a tiny lot and a house) in one year than I do in 10 years. I would never live in CA again.
Good job, Idaho!
Great segment. It is no wonder why we have so many homeless here in the USA. If it were not for my planning for retirement 20 years before I did there would be no way one could afford the math you calculated. You have made a very wise choice at a young age. I would rather live like royalty somewhere else instead of being ripped off by government and corporations. As a retired federal worker I still pay almost $400 per month (single coverage) on health insurance and paid that every 2 weeks before I did retire. Lots of federal workers were lied to back then as being a government employee was not popular.
You guys are awesome & I love watching your videos.
But I have to say that equally I loved that cup of morning movement coffee I received yesterday. I drank it black though I'm usually a cream & sugar user & you are to correct it doesn't need them. Delicious, thank you
In Sweden I pay about $230 in rent and heat, $25 in electricity, $23 for 10GB surf, unlimited call and message on phone, $34 for 100/10Mb fiber, $45 for insurance on car and apartment. And then I pay about $100 a month on petrol and $250-300 on food. That is about $750 on a $2000 salary.
I've had these ideas about moving to Spain, Greece or other warm countries but maybe I should just get a van and keep living i Sweden. Get a van, live cheap and enjoy life :)
You won't earn 2k in Panama.
I'm about 50 miles out of Boston, in Wareham just before the canal. It is definitely expensive in Boston and the whole state of Taxachusetts.
very informative, you guys are so fun.
I am from the states living in Malaysia. Wife and I went over cost using your list accept I added car payment. Own new 3 bedroom condo, sports car, 2,000 USD a month, medical is very cheap compaired to usa. If we lived away from the big city would cost 30% less. Like your videos.
Are indigenous coffee workers thriving or surviving? No offense meant. Just curious if wages, living conditions are good for them.
No they get paid per month 600$ thats it
@@luisstanziola4784 We must also consider the workers who made your clothes, computers and cell phones. Do you think about them?
@@lostandlooking i do but here in panama they dont make clothes or anything like that they just do farming here in my country but the pay is bad but for them its good because they live in areas where they dont need much money to survive
All coffee workers are indigenous man and women.
I really wouldn't know about this area but subsistence farming may be more like it.
Wow here in the states I pay $830 to mortgage on a 5 bed 3 bath house on 3 acres and I average $80-$100 per month for utilities, I pay $200 for medical insurance, $160 for food, $45 for unlimited phone, around $75 for gas, and I pay $36 per month for car insurance. For a total of $1436 per month. If I was married it might raise it to $2,000
Good morning guys. You are Angel's and so cool. Love watching your adventures.
Hi...nice change of subject matter, but still excited to get updates on homestead...
I do belive costs vary greatly in where one lives in the states...but there are certainly some really crazy lower prices in Panama. Was wondering about cable & dog food which I know you make for lola. Then, your expenses for developing the homestead.
Thanks for this information about llife in Panama. Blessings for kaylee, jordan & lola in their new life 🙋♀️
You pretty much missed the mark with your UTILITIES quote: Your provided link at valuepenguin actually quotes strictly the utilities at $320/mo and that includes CELL SERVICE which isn't in your $6.20 by any means right? In fairness, even amortizing your WiBooster ($499.00) over a 10 life should add $4/mo...
To get to $589, they're adding in lawn maintenance, baby sitting, pest control and security systems, and household items such as towels or a new kitchen table.
So your $6.20 should go up significantly, and you should have quoted the $320, with mentioning LOTS of caveats... as anything on either side of the equation that isn't applicable should be called out.
Wow. It costs me nearly £400 per year for insurance for a Chevy Cruze here in the UK. And our gas prices are £1.24 per litre (so around $8 per gallon). I think I'd probably be saving money if I moved to Boston!
YAY, Santa Cruz, my beautiful home. Well you always have a place you can stay in charming Santa Cruz, CA. I love my beautiful redwood forest, well at least in all the seasons, except winter... lol. I live off of hwy 9 in a little town called Felton. We've one of the only original covered bridges and steam engine trains left in the U.S. Come back and visit.....
Obtaining Panamanian citizenship (takes years) has zero effect on paying US and Panama taxes. BTW renouncing US citizenship requires following strict rules, and the US is the decider, not the applicant. Unless you are Tina Turner or the like, no advantage.
Im an asphalt worker in Pa. Got a so called dream job offer at a company that told me at interview that my insurance was 70 a week. After my first check i found out it was 168.00 a week and didn't include eye or dental!!! Wtf. And i went to pickup a prescription two weeks later, it was 503.00!!! Here the insurance had a 7000 deductible. Long story short immediately put in 2 weeks notice and am back at previous employer paying 38.00 a week includes eye and dental!!! Got a spare room in Panama for me! Lol
We all make mistakes. The electric bills here are super high. In my studio apt it was over $250 a month
And pwr water go out regularly.
Just curious where/how you guys are supporting yourselves. BTW I greatly appreciate these videos.
That was interesting info regarding the cost of living .Thanks Here in South Africa the cost of fuel converted to dollar is 1 litre fuel is $1. Mobile basic contract with voice 100min/data 100meg would cost $26. Electricity and water $96. Average rental on 2 bedroom home $510 per month.
Well Boston is really expensive and is above average cost.
For instance car insurance in New Hampshire is waaaay less than Boston. I pay $60 month for full coverage on my WRX.
Even if you compared Wakefield, MA to Boston it's like $800 less a yr than Boston. Boston ans MA in general is very expensive to live. That's why I moved out of there.
1:23 "A very specific place I used to spend all of my money". That's code for Whole Foods. 😂
That's what I thought, too, but then Jordan mentioned Life Alive. Life Alive is a wonderful small restaurant chain in eastern Massachusetts. Their food is holistic and very healthy. You can get a lunch sized meal for under $10 USD. Smoothies are $6-8. However, if you ate there a lot your food bill would go up.
Thanks for all the information.
That was great to hear what Panamanian and US costs are .... just have to convert to Canadian now. Its very helpful for those of us contemplating a move to either location.... cheers...
I didn't understand if each couple pays rent of 260+ rent or you share it with Drew?...
I feel like the rent costs are skewed - the apartment is $550 a month so to compare to an average couple in the US you should be using that , not $275 because you are splitting it with another couple - the average couple in the US would not be doing that.
I love your videos so much. Your bus on your plot of land is exciting, and I can’t wait to watch you develop your off the grid homestead. You’re living my dream. I got stopped by the pandemic. I hope to get back on track asap. You are selling me on Boquete, as I’ve been thinking back and forth between there and Panama City. Once I can get there, I’ll be able to decide more easily. Keep your helpful info coming regularly. I really appreciate it all. Thank you. --Michael, Long Island, NY
Great video! Thanks for the info!
I will say that the housing amount for California is much higher than "the average." This information you have shared is great info. If I didn't have my dogs I would for sure go for 2-3 months to check it out. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for taking the time to share this information. Seems as if almost same prices as if I lived in Puerto Rico's country side of the Island. Everything is just the same, except for the health care which is terrible in Puerto Rio and now the every day earthquakes. Glad you guys have found a place to call home and build and do a you please. May the Lord bless you guys every day more and more. Thanks again for taking the time to share all your adventures.
Kaylie’s insurance wasn’t and isn’t zero, her parents are charged for her coverage. Their employer may pay a large percent of this, it I would surprised if her parents aren’t at least paying $200 -$500 a month for her to be on their plan.
That's really cheap. I was just paying 1400 through union insurance after my husband passed.
You should remember that her insurance would be the same cost in the US. But most US insurance will only cover extreme emergencies & sadly won't cover her past being tourists. They should make sure they are covered, normally you need insurance from that country.
The cost of living is great in Panama thank you for sharing. I am curious, what is the taxes like ? Is there a income tax? sale tax? property tax? would like to know. Unlike the U.S. we are tax at every which way we turn :(
Jim as an American citizen you are liable for your US income tax no mater where you earn it
@@leoblumhagen644 Thank you, I would think you would. But living there other than the cost of living I'm would think you would accure some sort of additional tax.
Jim that would probably depend on where your income was from. I know Mexico does not charge any income tax on expats earnings from non Mexican sources ie: US Social Security, pensions, interest or dividends, I’m not sure if UA-camrs are taxed on earnings made in US if paid in US, then withdrawn in MX using an ATM and spent as cash
Those were some mind blowing statistics. Naturally I compared it to our Canadian dollar and budget.
We pay on average $1.20 to $1.45 for fuel per liter. Panama is $0.65/L that is $0.87/L Canadian. Big difference. Rent is very responsible too. The vehicle insurance was the biggest difference and you guys spend the same on food that we do as a family of 4 😉😁💙 but we cook alot of food and don't done out often.
Great video guys ❤️
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Wow the video was really jerky jerky this time as you went back and forth as you spoke to the camera. It actually made me have motion sickness. Did anyone else feel this? Not trying to be a “jerk” just some feedback.
Yep. Whenever Jordan grabs the camera, I minimize the screen.
First time viewer here on recommendation from a friend. I can't even watch this as it's giving me a headache. 3 mins in and I'm moving on.
My friend lives in Michigan and it cost him over $50,000 for his hip surgery, now he's fighting Workers compensation as he hurt himself doing roofing and fell 25 feet from the roof.
You forgot to talk about the discounts for retirees. Wish you the best. DonJr.
Barking dog would drive me nuts in one day.
The rest of LATAM has dog barking everywhere
$500 to $600 a month for food for my family of 4 here in Oregon. $4 a month for my Magic jack landline phone(plus the cost of internet, obviously). I have heard that internet is a lot cheaper and better in some countries other than the US. Internet sucks in the US. Garbage $22 a month. Water and sewer $75 a month.
Beaverton here. Dont even mention rent cost lol. Makes you wanna move
This is the best video. Thank you.
I'm allllllll the wayyyy up here on the coast of Maine ! I can't get there from he-ya...lol !! Its amazing that the cost of living is just about half of what it is here in the states ! My little lady is from North Attelboro Mass and understands that Mass is a very expensive state to live in and don't blame you two for wanting to live their ! Love the videos...keep'em coming !!
I just got back from my 11th trip to Peru. These "retirement" countries are a new wave, and growing! I heard Ecuador is a favorite for Americans. Costa Rica is more expensive because single western men have driven up prices. Panama seems to be popular. There are very peaceful and violent countries and districts(stay away from Guatemala). The amenities are growing but you'd think comforts from the US would be accessible in Panama.
Factor in travel costs back to the US to visit family and friends and it quickly becomes expensive.
I fill up my car once a month...$15 to $20 dollars...I use the car for errant only when I need to.
Health ins. Is free for me in the United States, retired 69 year old, saved all my life - for what I don’t know, put 3 children through college, owe nothing, still back my children and grand children like every day.
This as me dying at the fact that my car insurance for my Hyundai is $325 a month in Toronto, and I'm an 8-star driver
WHAT!!! Insurance for my three cars is 50 bucks a month. Toyota 4runner, Toyota Sequoia, Zuk Sidekick. But like them I only have liability.
@@xrpfanboy7530 Where are you at, because I wanna live there. And mine's not even close to being full coverage.
@@darianleigh1791 Idaho
@@xrpfanboy7530 Looks like I'm moving to Idaho
@@darianleigh1791 :) If you are conservative we welcome you with open arms...if you are a lib then I think we are full up LOL
Bahahahaahhaa that was the cheesiest opening of all !! you two are hilarious !
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Just started watching some of your videos. Good stuff, but if you haven't done a walk of the land yet on video, it would be nice to see what plants and features are there when time allows. Maybe there is a naturally occuring wind calm area to be found. Mainly, I wanted to suggest you use a rust treatment for your steel work. It will neutralize the minor surface rust and prevent new rust forming. No grinding it back down to metal, paint optional for ascetics. It us used in aviation and auto metal work. I have used Permatex RT-8A Rust Treatment, item #81775. Just paint it on and let it cure.
Boston in the house! Me too!
When I was in the Navy, I noticed that many sailors retired to the Philippines because of the low cost of living there.
Very true, the Phils is way way cheaper than central or South America
I am military and considered the Philippines because the Base there closed down but they kept the VA hospital going. Its the only Hospital left in a foreign country. If I go anywhere else the VA won’t cover me.
@@janina8559 Interesting you talk about the VA. I have researched it and the VA will still pay for medical, doesn't matter where you live. Let me post off the VA gov website. As a Veteran living or traveling abroad, you can receive medical care for VA service-connected disabilities through our VA Foreign Medical Program. Under this program, we assume payment responsibility for the necessary treatment of service-connected disabilities.If you’re a Veteran who lives overseas, you remain entitled to the benefits and services you earned through your military service. Most VA benefits are payable regardless of your place of residence or nationality. VA benefits include disability compensation, pension, education and training, health care, home loans, insurance, vocational rehabilitation and employment and burial.
XRP FANBOY yes I have VA benefits but no service connected injuries so they would cover me if I have an emergency in a Foreign Country but not for regular doctor appointments and medications. Iam a vet because I served in Wartime in the conflict area. I don’t have an injuries from my service. If I did they would cover me. I have health problems so need Medical. Atleast this is what I have been told.
@@janina8559 Oh ok I got you. But because the Phils has a VA hospital you could get full treatment there right? Is it in Manila?
Interesting video. Could you probably elaborate on the food a bit more? So basically is there also good organic meat available at the farmer markets and how much does it cost? Or is it mainly veggies and fruits?
The couple is buying a lot of imported organic food. Expensive and most is shit. Buy local food.
@@rberding Not of interest for me. Im interested in local organic meat. Preferably beef. Raw organic milk and local cheese.
@@phr33kster All availbale here.
@@rberding Could you give some estimates on pricing?
1,100 a month you spent on food, omg. I keep it at 200.00 or less but if I wanted a variety of food, it would be 300.00 a month. Pretty much everything has increased once again, so I doubt I will pay the 300.00 a month on myself.
If you factor in the cost of your land it's not that great of a deal. Very surprised bare land was that expensive, or did you guys just pay premium for being gringos. Doesn't make sense rent being that cheap when land is so expensive. Enjoy your adventure, wish I did stuff like that when I was young. Thanks for the content.
very good report this week. great comparisons, you picked the right categories and your conclusions make a very compelling reason to pick Panama. At your age, you don't have many worries of disease. But, because you are doing construction, and there's always the possibility of being hurt on the job, it may be a good idea to get local health insurance, as you are more likely to need insurance for an emergency-room visit than for a long term condition. At $275/mo it is better to rent than to own. There is a Salvador YT channel I follow, Prefabricados Nahuat. For all you know, there's companies in Panama doing the same. This may be of help when you are ready to build other cabins on your property. The bigger challenge you face is, once you determine how many cabins you will want on your property, what are you going to do about sewage and water? how are you going to dispose of trash from, say, 10 cabins? You will need electricity, solar is not going to be enough. How will your guests be getting to and from town? what regulations will you encounter as the local government realizes mmm, here's a future business in the making, how can we TAX them?
$466 a month for GAS??? You guys must have kept the roads hot, lol. Gas is currently $1.75-$2.00 a gallon here in the Southern US.
To offset this you should eventually do a video on how Americans in Panama make income. My friends went BONKERS over your coffee by the way. ❤️
Do you look good in a Bikini? You could do Van Life to living in Central America UA-cam
Good video. However Boston USA is one of the most expensive cities to live in. I live on $1300./ month including 2018 leased Chevy pickup. In Pennsylvania
Are you in Boston?