Awesome, and thanks for your video. This is what I was looking for. Raw sounds of the oscillator. I went MUSE/TEO-5 combo. I think this will be a great combo.
Very nice! Thank you for making this comparison; it was very fun to watch/listen. They both sound great to me. For some of the comparisons, I wouldn’t have been able to detect a difference in a blind test. The ones in which I could distinguish differences were equally-ish good with a slight edge sometimes for one and sometimes the other (all very subjective of course). I have the Trigon desktop and quite love it and a Minimoog Model D of which I am equally fond. If I were in the spot where I was going to buy one of these two, I would … mmm … maybe lean toward the Muse … or maybe the Trigon. Both are wonderful synths with great history and legacy behind them.
I'm afraid I will miss the stereo analog distortion of the trigon. Can you make a video comparing heavily distorted prog rock leads? (i need to know how heavy/growly the muse can get)... And some smooth creamy minimoog leads while you're at it? Thanks! Oh! And a quick tom sawyer test since the muse doesn't have a "vintage knob" to mess up the filter time per voice in unison mode
Interestingly enough every time I play around with the distortion on the Trigon I always think "that's a little to much", ha, ha. Thanks for the ideas!
They can make similar sounds but sitting down and playing each is different. The overall experience feels different, I enjoy them both so the Trigon is sticking around! Thanks for checking out the video!
I personally prefeer the Trigon. It's pretty obvious that the signal path on the Trigon 6 is way more clear and not cluttered with modulation through DSP. When I synth has a mod matrix the architecture becomes different. It seems like mod marix based synths like Pro 3, Take 5, Rev 2, 3rd Wave get their sound a bit lighter compared to the non mod matrix based like P6, OB6, T6 and OBX8. Since I own all except for Obx8 I can tell that difference is there :)
Great video! I came away with a different opinion than expected though. In most of the tests, at least to my ears the Trigon sounded better. This was especially noticable in Part 9 - Stereo Pan Effect... While it's impressive the Muse can do what it did from a technical/synth nerd standpoint, I feel the fact the Trigon couldn't "keep up" feature-wise was exactly by design from Dave, because to my ears it sounds a thousand times more pleasing. Most of the patches on the Trigon seemed to have more presence.. Some patches on the Muse had a blur that was very pleasing to my ear, and I thought it sounded good solo but that the Trigon would sound better in a mix. One exception was the Part 4 Bass, I preferred the tone coming from the Muse, something about the way it rounded and blends the upper harmonics into the sound (but I'm not sure if that's a difference in filter characteristics, envelopes or knob settings etc)... that was significant for me because if I buy anything with a ladder filter I have certain expectations for bass. A video deep dive focusing just on mono bass sounds would be awesome (although admittedly not what many would buy a poly for).
The Trigon is one of my most used synths in the studio. I love the layout of the controls, so well and thought out. The sound is just solid. The Muse is great and a different experience when you sit in front of it. I've used the Trigon for some really good bass parts. It beat out the Pro 3 in certain mixes. So the Trigon can do bass but the can Muse go places on bass the Trigon can't. Thanks for checking out my video!
It sounds to me like the Muse’s filter isn’t actually “wide open” when it seems like it’s wide open. Lot’s of synths are like this and need some further modulation to get that filter opened up. Sometimes just cranking up the key tracking is enough. I know Sequential’s modern synths definitely open up all the way at an init patch, making them appear brighter.
I didn't talk about the overload slider on the Muse in this video (I mentioned it in part 1 or 2) but cranking that more has an effect on the filter sounding more open. Too much doesn't always sound right so you have to strike a balance. Thanks for watching!
Yay! 🎉 Here we go … I’ll just give my opinion:- In general terms, they are more non-identical twins, than cousins … Muse strengths are moreso Bass and Softer Pads Trigon strengths are moreso Brighter Pads and Leads So it makes sense when you say they compliment each other, and these strengths seem reflected/emphasised in your combo jam at the end … Part 1 Muse, Loose Softer Vintage; Trigon, Tighter Brighter Modern … Softer Pads vs Brighter Cut … one man’s soft, is another’s dull; one man’s cut, is another’s harsh, etc etc etc … 😏. Complimentary. But then they are both clearly capable of having more of the opposite dialed in (eg you easily dialed the Trigon ‘down’ to be a LOT softer/much closer to the Muse), so these comments are just relative tendencies/strengths, as I hear them here/with these settings/through these speakers/etc … Part 2 To my surprise, I preferred the Trigon - more Juice AND Cut … More like a bold Mono … Muse was just dialed darker (and seems to have more Bass anyway), and we associate Bass (and the “Moog” label, lol) with Moog … Part 3 Surprised to hear you say the Muse was Brighter and the Trigon Smoother - seemed the other way around to me, on the video 🤷🏻♂️ … Both great, just different/complimentary … Part 4 Muse wins as a bass machine; has the Bass heft /clarity … but neither is going to match the timbre/tone/Juice of the Voyager … Part 5 Both squeezing out a good amount of Juice; I just prefer the Muse here, Soft Warm & Full … Part 6 Muse was always playing catch-up here; that Low-Cut helped a lot, but still Blurred/Dull compared to the Trigon Part 7 Preferred the Muse here - almost a reversal of tonal characteristics from Part 6 🙃🤷🏻♂️ … Part 8 More similar sounding in this Part than in any other, I think? Muse just a bit Softer; Trigon a but more Modern/Cut … Part 9 Trigon’s turn to be stuck playing catch-up; this Part taps into the strengths of the Muse … Part 10 Highlights that Muse leans to Big Soft Pads; the Trigon, Bright Modern Pads … Bass comparisons with the Voyager (someone else requested this also), and Lead comparisons with the Trigon, would both be very interesting. Great comparison! Thanks! 😎👍🏼
Nice breakdown! Thanks for all the input! Good points. Yeah the Muse in comparison to the Trigon often seemed like the "laid back" dude in the room and the Trigon wanted to be the forward leaning "in your face" guy. Regarding my comment on the brightness in the one comparison with the Muse being brighter. That's how it seemed in the studio while recording. When I listened to the video after it was posted on my phone in another room I thought the opposite. Thanks for watching!
I'd like to hear how they both sound in Unison mode with a bit of detune, playing a 16th note or 8th note sequenced bassline. Something punchy and dark, that really gives that big bottom end.
Resonance sounds hash on Muse compare to Trigon-6. I prefer the Trigon-6 where it counts. Sound. Warmer, fuller and more fun with the hands-on interface and no menus.
Good stuff! They are both awesome synths, and they seem to be able to fulfill many of the same roles. It helps to get the muse in tune, you may have to run the full tuning process, as that's what took care of tuning for my Muse. From there on, just running th quick tune option should suffice to get the muse in tune. I don't even have to do that anymore.. shortly after turning it on it sounds perfect. Overall, the Trigon seems to sound a little stiffer/controlled, in the same way that my Prophet 6 does. It's easier to get organic sounding patches out of the Muse. Much to my surprise, the Muses' saw oscs seem to have more high end content (they sound a little fizzier), and the square on the Trigon is a little buzzier. I guess the correct answer is that you need both ;) Then again.. good luck taking the Trigon in this kind of territory ;) ua-cam.com/video/pV1MBMqMOxA/v-deo.html
I agree with your points. My Muse isn't as stable on warm up as the Trigon. It sort of bugs me but when it get's fully warmed up the voices are dead on with a tuner. So I'm afraid to do that full tuning recalibration just to improve that one small factor. I'm worried I'll make it worse, you know. Was it easy to do? Thanks for watching!
@@deepsynths yeah you just switch it off for about an hour, so it cools down as far as it can, then you run the tuning routine. It'll take over an hour, and Muse will make noises (you may want to turn it's volume down before running the routine), and when it's done, the individual voices are more in tune with eachother. There's nothing to it, just let Muse do it's thing and that's it. From there on you can use quick tune. Use that a couple of times and Muse learns what to do in certain temperatures.. at least that's what I gathered it does ;)
@@deepsynths I've done it about five or six times since I did the full tune routine. That was a couple of weeks ago, and it's been really stable since.
Great comparison! I am considering the Muse, but still not convinced of the tone and sound. As a fan of Ob-6 and Trigon but need a 5 octave and more modulations, do you think it can do the kind of sounds good enough to recommend the Muse? Thanx
It works well beside my Trigon and OB-6 in the studio. I'm using it over them now in my current project because the sounds just seem to fit better for the track. All 3 have their own sound and character so ultimately it's your call as to which fits you best. The Muse is very "musical" in its tone where the Trigon is very punchy and direct. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching!
@@deepsynths Ok, thanks. I actually decided to wait for the "perfect" poly ;-). Fell for the Sequential Pro 3 monosynth, which will keep me busy for a while, while it covering so much sounds exept for chords. Its actually the best synth I ever had (Ob-6 is the best soundwise).
The Trigon often feels more focused, perhaps compressed when compared to the Muse. Where the Muse has more of a spread out sound. A bit looser and raw. I like both flavors, depends on what I"m doing. Thanks for watching!
Listening on smallish speakers, at least in pt.1 the Trigon sounds a bit louder. If they are indeed equal in volume, that would be a one-up for the Trigon, but I suspect the Muse level is simply a tad bit lower..
Thanks for the comparison. I think both have incredible quality and sounds. I probably prefer Trigon for having a more direct interface, like a Grandmother, Subsequent or SE-02.
There is no king Both are great synths they’re totally different. Trigons missing an octave, and not sure if you bumped it down an octave. On proper speakers to me the trigon low end sounded better, but a lot of them aren’t level matched either so hard to truly tell. for any of us to say there is a winner is funny as that’s just preference to the style of music you’re making and how could people even know without playing it. I have both and I love them both. Thanks for the test.
Yes, they are both really nice synths. Who's the king? Well for now they're sharing the crown in my studio, ha, ha. I feel we are in such a great time having so many choices in the analog synth world. 15 years ago was a different story. Thanks for watching!
They don't have to be competitors, they can live in harmony side by side. Beside, I hear a more differenciated tone from the Muse, which makes it a bit deeper and interesting, featuring a slightly more detailed tone. The Trigon sounds more direct but slightly one-dimensional. The more details of the Muse gives a wider and deeper feel. Trigon transports its tone more on one level and it's sounding a bit harder. I also feel that the Muse has endless sweetspots. If I had to choose: Muse. In fact, I actually decided for it. 😅
I have the Rev2-16 voice, and I think it has the same funky vibe/punch of resonance and short/Plucks like the Trigon that I played recently:) I feel like Moog should make a 4 voice module at some point to stay in competition with Behringer’s pro 1 and pro 800 especially with their warm characters😄
Interesting comparison of the Trigon and Rev2. I'm sure Moog has more ideas like that planned for the future. Not to copy Behringer but just to have offerings at different price points. Thanks for watching!
Wonderful comparision from musician to musicians, without influencer b*sh*t - thanks a lot! Both are great actually. Maybe Muse looks like a winner here, trigon still has it's qualities... and trigon is very-very hands on. Would love to see a Muse vs Polybrute!
Thanks very much! The Muse invites you to sit down and experiment with sounds more where the Trigon is like a fast familiar tool. You can use it to create a solid sound you need for a track in a hurry.
Every synth has a purpose, there's no best, because no one synth can do everything, and that'd be boring anyway. It's a subjective question, just like all music, and just an opinion. People choose what they like by the transients in the voices. It's the tiny details that lead us one direction or another. An obsession with gear though, has nothing to do with music, and becomes a collectors game, and this quest for the perfect sound, becomes a loss to creativity, and productivity. Leading to an insecurity, or lack of confidence, with too many choices. That's our take on the issue. Keep it simple. Your imagination is more important than the instruments. Because that's where the music comes from. Thanks for this, even though it didn't sway us either way.
I definitely agree that in the end it's very subjective and depends on the individual's taste. Just like music. I've had music promoted in the past to DJ's and radio stations and you'd get feedback from different people on the same track that was polar opposites, "this is great! will give full support!" then "not really feeling this one, sorry" ha, ha.. Taught me a lot. Thanks for watching!
@@deepsynths Yup. Been an Artist for over 40 years. Know all about how different people see things. There's actually an art form for that idea created in 1984 called Imaginism.
If I ever buy a used Muse, limit $2K, I will rationalize it by using it as a dual timbre, dual filter, killer monosynth, costing way less than a MiniMoog. Still waiting for Behringer to clone the Memorymoog, but using Cherry Audio Polysynths for now. Used UB-Xa goes for around $1K. When Indonesian made Minis hit the market, they would probably be under $2K. Some high-end flagships like the OBX8 are currently discounted on Sweetwater site. I expect a lot of lower pricing next year when economic realities set in. The Trigon has been on my radar, one day when they're cheaper maybe.
There was actually a big price jump in all of the "6 series" synths at sequential recently. I think the cost of doing business for them is going to make a decrease in the Trigon's price not likely. But hey, you never know! Thanks for watching!
The Trigon desktop of course. Nice! Enjoy! Dial the oscillators back to 12 o'clock for sweeter sounds. Sequential has the patches running pretty "hot". Thanks for watching!
The Muse has an organic sound that represents Moog like no other. If you’re after that particular pleasing and authentic, closely related to “Moog moving instability warming oscillators “ then, you’re closer to traditional characteristics. The Trigon has its strengths in stability. You know what you’re going to receive when dialing up a patch. Not much movement other than pan spread and some LFO tricks. It’s reliable but, certainly not organic. Jmo. The prices definitely can dictate the market here either way. If I were to get one of these handed to me for free? Hands down - Muse.
Both are great - this comparison reminds me of OB-X8 vs. OB-6, or Prophet Rev. 4 vs. Prophet-6.. so is the Muse more lush and organic in the Oscillators & Filters vs. the midfocused Trigon (better for a monotimbral synth) - there is no better, it's a design choice..
The Oscillators alone are very close but adding in the filters I'd say yes, you could describe it that way. The filters feel very different when your moving them around. You can often set them to match each other's sound closely but twisting the knobs is a different experience. Thanks for watching!
I enjoyed the Trigon more, "that's just my like... my opinion man..." Lmao. But I gotta say, that last pad, i sorta liked more on the Moog along with a couple other sounds. Both sound gorgeous.
@@deepsynths yes sometimes it ends up being “both” that way however 😅 muse is probably awesome for many however. I’ll give it another chance someday possibly when the firmware had time to mature and hopefully they fixed the screen flicker i had going. Didn’t expect them to be as different as they are for sure. 😀
The trigon is cutting through a lot more, it´s like it has a much more direct and present sound(hard to explain) The Moog is much more mellow. I like Trigon the most...
One of my first impressions was the Trigon is more of a tight and focused sound while the Muse is more laid back and organically funky (if that makes sense). Thanks for watching!
Thanks for doing this comparison. Both synths sound great. Your Muse sounds out of tune at times. Have you tried running an autotune calibration function on it after it warmed up? That should fix that issue. I like the sound of both, but I would personally go with the Muse, especially considering the fact they're the same price, and the fact the Muse has 2 more voices (which is a big plus) and a 5-octave keyboard. I also like the panel layout and display on the Muse better too. Oh, and the Muse sounds a bit more life-like to me as well.
Yeah the Muse seems sensitive to the warm up period regarding tuning. After that it's really tight. I ran the quick tune and it seemed to improve at certain points in the warm up timeline. Thanks for watching!
Sequential in general seems to lean more in that direction with their designs from what I've experienced. It's like the Trigon can't escape its DNA under pinnings. Thanks for watching!
The Novation Summit also shows the saved value when you are changing the setting. It’s very nice to have. The raw sound of the Muse is so sweet. The Trigon is a bit more bright, has a bit more harshness. The Muse is one of the best sounding synths I’ve ever heard.
Yeah once you get use to seeing the settings like that you miss it when it's not there, at least some sort of indicator. The Muse has what I hear as "Moog sweet". There's a musicality to it. Thanks for watching!
I'm thinking for less money a TEO-5 plus a Take-5 over either of these. A Muse or Trigon at $2k would also be a winner, but I think UB-XA, Summit, Rev2 16.... many great options for less $$$. Next year flagship synths go on deep discounts due to economic reality setting in. Not many peeps will have $3-5K to throw around.
Those are good options at a good price. If you do buy a Muse I recommend buying from someone who gives you a good discount. There's some places that don't (I won't name names). You can get it for at least 350 dollars under sticker price. Thanks for watching!
@@tombasports If you ignore the sequencer on the Pro 3, then maybe. However, the Pro 3 still handles basses better than the Take 5 (as a mono synth, it should).
Facts!….I don’t put my toys on credit so those prices are not for me. Trigon has a module for $2500…and that’s a steep climb too, but more realistic for me. That being said, the GR-Mega is coming and I don’t have anything like that yet.
Making adjustments to them is very different. I'm really use to the Trigon so it took a little time to get the feel of the Muse envelopes. Thanks for watching!
i think the muse sounds better. It is more nuanced. The filter is sounding great and its been given equal parts in the soundstage with the oscillators. It sounds a bit smoother and deep. The trigon sounds a bit harder and modern.
@@deepsynths my local guitar center isn’t going to have one I called…😭 they said I had to buy it and return it 💀…I do plan on buying one someday though. Patiently saving lol
@@TheMachinesWon The best test is at home in your own studio. So since it's common now to have the 30-45 day return option I say take advantage of that. Best of luck!
The Muse seems to haves a bit more “presence” than the Trigon. Not sure if the filters where tuned exactly. I always like to have a spectrum analyzer going and drive the filter into self oscillation and tune it as precisely as I can, but I have heard this type of thing even then. Like the Muse is “leaking” a bit. Not necessarily a bad thing, but without the context of a song, it does pop out, as you say. One thing I’d say that would clinch it for me, is that Sequential instruments receive polyphonic aftertouch and MPE (not sure if the Trigon does MPE, but my Prophet 6 does) and this is a major difference that puts Moog out of any contest to get into my studio. Ultimately, both wonderful instruments and I can imagine making great sounds with either. I’m currently comparing my 3rd Wave with the new Waldorf Microwave plugin, and in many ways I like the plugin more, and then all of the sudden I’ll make a tweak that makes the 3rd Wave sound amazing in a way I can’t get the plugin to do. As always, if you really want to make good music you have to own all the instruments. 😂
Good points. I'll have to check out the filter like you mentioned. The Moog does after touch. It's in the assignable controllers section along with some other control options.
@@deepsynths I do know about the aftertouch, but I’m talking about the per-voice aftertouch like the PolyBrute 12 or Quantum 2. The Sequentials don’t have it, but they do recognize it from other instruments.
Owned Muse since day one love it. I think Muse wins. Better comp would be to turn off all effects in both. The angelic Trigon patch had the Fx advantage. Thank you. Great video. Could care less about sequencer on Muse, except for synth sound audition.
Yeah the Muse has a certain "musicality" to the sound that I really love. I left the effects on that "angelic" patch because it just seemed woven into the character of it on the Trigon. Thanks for watching my videos and for the input based on your own Muse!
I feel like one or two of your Muse voices is out of tune....perhaps a quck calibration would improve it. Otherwise, I think the Muse is clearly the winner over the Trigon....but both sound wonderful!
Yeah the tuning gets dead on when it's been on awhile but a couple of the voices go in and out of tune on the way to that temp. Thanks for checking it out!
@deepsynths Yeah, great bk2bk stand off of these 2 great analogue poly's!! ..... at a very high level I feel the Trigon is a little sharper, cleaner, more 'modern' analogue sounding in tone, but I've only played the Trigon at Synthfest UK last yr in isolation... one of 2 brill new synths there; other was George's Super Gemini 20 vox!!! Very old skool like Juno's but brought up to date .... 😁👍
I mean if your going to play Moog sounds on a Dave smith… and compare it to a Moog… the Moog is going to come out king 👑 sequential should never be compared to Moog, they are different animals. You’ll never replicate certain sounds; one synth can do certain sounds a lot better, while one will come out king in other categories. I like to have both in my arsenal 🤙
Since the Trigon has the "Moog style" ladder filter it seemed like worthy comparison to make. People have been asking for a long time about the Trigon and does it sound like a Moog. I felt like I had to go there. But yeah, we were playing on the Moog's home field I suppose. Thank's for watching!
Quick observation but 2 less voices and one less octave which is a really big difference. Those clicky buttons like on my Oberheim and here on sequential, mine never worked I hate those buttons. I ordered the Muse.
The Moog Muse wins for a couple of reasons. It offers 2 more voices than the Trigon, and it offers a 5-octave keyboard all for the same price as the Trigon 6.
Just tested the Muse, Teo 5, OBX8, and Arturia PB12 at Guitar Center. The construction quality of Muse is not good. I don’t like to expend a lot of money only because of the sound. All is important for me. I have other high quality digital synths (Quantum MKII, 3rd Wave, UDO Super Gemini, Hydrasynth Deluxe, Polybrute 6, Jupiter X). Muse is the worst that I tried. I was impressed with Teo-5 on sound, keybed and construction. I want an analog synth now. So or I go to Trigon or Teo-5
Muse is a little more organic and has little more punchy presence. The Trigon is smooth and bouncy in the bass like a Juno 60 almost .. Both good to have in the set up, in context of making songs. Since I have a P5.. I’m going to get a muse and maybe a TEO 5.
With a Muse and P5 you'll be covering a lot of classic synth territory. I've got a P10 and between that and the Muse it's like a synth universe of good old analog satisfaction! Thanks for watching!
I bought this Moog Muse, was crazy about it and here comes the thing: Unfortunately, "Moog Muse" has terribly disappointed me.. To turn on this keyboard it takes more than a minute (!).. Functions do not work properly, lights go on and off quickly and without meaning. The speed of the envelope generators is WAY too slow.. Chords played faster produce unwanted fast arpeggios. I tested everything and even the new software (1.2) did not fix these serious bugs, so I have to warn about it.. De-tuning is a big problem, even the tuning function does not work. The keyboard froze even after programming faster sequences.. The overall sound was thin and not as fat as my old Moog products (Mini Moog, Memory Moog). My impression: This instrument is too digitally controlled inside by very slow and in the worst case... often incomplete processing. I returned the Moog Muse to the seller and I have to say, there is something very wrong with this new Moog and it doesn't sound like a typical Moog at all! The sound is also bad and not rich. Too many other synths sound fuller, richer and faster (envelope generators) and the filter here doesn't do what it promises!! Forget the actual "Moog" products. They are not what they promise and what they say they are. Direct comparison with my old Sequential Circuit products and many intensive tests finally opened my eyes after many hours, folks. I'm sorry for all of you who fell into this trap like me. Sooner or later you will confirm what I am writing here.
Awesome, and thanks for your video. This is what I was looking for. Raw sounds of the oscillator.
I went MUSE/TEO-5 combo. I think this will be a great combo.
Thanks! Yes, that combo sounds great and makes sense space wise as well! Thanks for watching!
This is relevant to my interests
Yeah, plus one here!! 😎👌
Cool! Thanks for checking it out!
same here man 🫡
I was looking for this exact comparison. Will watch it in a sec. Thanks!
Cool! Thanks for checking it out!
Very nice! Thank you for making this comparison; it was very fun to watch/listen. They both sound great to me. For some of the comparisons, I wouldn’t have been able to detect a difference in a blind test. The ones in which I could distinguish differences were equally-ish good with a slight edge sometimes for one and sometimes the other (all very subjective of course). I have the Trigon desktop and quite love it and a Minimoog Model D of which I am equally fond. If I were in the spot where I was going to buy one of these two, I would … mmm … maybe lean toward the Muse … or maybe the Trigon. Both are wonderful synths with great history and legacy behind them.
Thanks very much! Sounds like you got a lot of Moog territory covered! Thanks for watching!
Awesome video, thanks! I didn't see it coming but it looks like Muse is on my list now instead of Trigon.
I'm afraid I will miss the stereo analog distortion of the trigon. Can you make a video comparing heavily distorted prog rock leads? (i need to know how heavy/growly the muse can get)... And some smooth creamy minimoog leads while you're at it?
Thanks!
Oh! And a quick tom sawyer test since the muse doesn't have a "vintage knob" to mess up the filter time per voice in unison mode
Interestingly enough every time I play around with the distortion on the Trigon I always think "that's a little to much", ha, ha. Thanks for the ideas!
Please do a bass and synth lead comparison with the Minimoog Voyager
I was thinking about that very thing today. Thanks for the suggestions!
King is Moog One. In all respects
Trigon is Earth Wind and Fire, Muse is Parliament Funkadelic
When Muse appeared i thought it will be a Trigon killer , now i not shure at all.
They can make similar sounds but sitting down and playing each is different. The overall experience feels different, I enjoy them both so the Trigon is sticking around! Thanks for checking out the video!
my thoughts too, I prefer the trigon sound
I personally prefeer the Trigon. It's pretty obvious that the signal path on the Trigon 6 is way more clear and not cluttered with modulation through DSP. When I synth has a mod matrix the architecture becomes different. It seems like mod marix based synths like Pro 3, Take 5, Rev 2, 3rd Wave get their sound a bit lighter compared to the non mod matrix based like P6, OB6, T6 and OBX8. Since I own all except for Obx8 I can tell that difference is there :)
Moog muse is a beast
Great video! I came away with a different opinion than expected though. In most of the tests, at least to my ears the Trigon sounded better. This was especially noticable in Part 9 - Stereo Pan Effect... While it's impressive the Muse can do what it did from a technical/synth nerd standpoint, I feel the fact the Trigon couldn't "keep up" feature-wise was exactly by design from Dave, because to my ears it sounds a thousand times more pleasing. Most of the patches on the Trigon seemed to have more presence.. Some patches on the Muse had a blur that was very pleasing to my ear, and I thought it sounded good solo but that the Trigon would sound better in a mix. One exception was the Part 4 Bass, I preferred the tone coming from the Muse, something about the way it rounded and blends the upper harmonics into the sound (but I'm not sure if that's a difference in filter characteristics, envelopes or knob settings etc)... that was significant for me because if I buy anything with a ladder filter I have certain expectations for bass. A video deep dive focusing just on mono bass sounds would be awesome (although admittedly not what many would buy a poly for).
The Trigon is one of my most used synths in the studio. I love the layout of the controls, so well and thought out. The sound is just solid. The Muse is great and a different experience when you sit in front of it. I've used the Trigon for some really good bass parts. It beat out the Pro 3 in certain mixes. So the Trigon can do bass but the can Muse go places on bass the Trigon can't. Thanks for checking out my video!
@@deepsynthsthe Trigon definitely does some killer bass - I’ve had entire songs basically inspired by how rich a bass pad sounded on my Trigon!
@@swid_swid_swid Trigon bass through some API EQ and you're set! Thanks for watching!
It sounds to me like the Muse’s filter isn’t actually “wide open” when it seems like it’s wide open. Lot’s of synths are like this and need some further modulation to get that filter opened up. Sometimes just cranking up the key tracking is enough. I know Sequential’s modern synths definitely open up all the way at an init patch, making them appear brighter.
I didn't talk about the overload slider on the Muse in this video (I mentioned it in part 1 or 2) but cranking that more has an effect on the filter sounding more open. Too much doesn't always sound right so you have to strike a balance. Thanks for watching!
@@deepsynths You’re welcome. I subscribed. I love stuff like this.
I personally love my trigon for its super clean interface. Works best for me. Both synths seems great
I agree with you on the Trigon's clean layout. Very nice! Thanks for watching!
The Trigon is my favorite analog synth that I own (beating out even the Prophet 10) but I’ve been interested in the Muse. Watching this intently!
Cool! Yes, the Trigon is a really solid analog synth with a lot of punch. Thanks for watching!
Yay! 🎉 Here we go …
I’ll just give my opinion:-
In general terms, they are more non-identical twins, than cousins …
Muse strengths are moreso Bass and Softer Pads
Trigon strengths are moreso Brighter Pads and Leads
So it makes sense when you say they compliment each other, and these strengths seem reflected/emphasised in your combo jam at the end …
Part 1
Muse, Loose Softer Vintage; Trigon, Tighter Brighter Modern … Softer Pads vs Brighter Cut … one man’s soft, is another’s dull; one man’s cut, is another’s harsh, etc etc etc … 😏. Complimentary. But then they are both clearly capable of having more of the opposite dialed in (eg you easily dialed the Trigon ‘down’ to be a LOT softer/much closer to the Muse), so these comments are just relative tendencies/strengths, as I hear them here/with these settings/through these speakers/etc …
Part 2
To my surprise, I preferred the Trigon - more Juice AND Cut … More like a bold Mono … Muse was just dialed darker (and seems to have more Bass anyway), and we associate Bass (and the “Moog” label, lol) with Moog …
Part 3
Surprised to hear you say the Muse was Brighter and the Trigon Smoother - seemed the other way around to me, on the video 🤷🏻♂️ …
Both great, just different/complimentary …
Part 4
Muse wins as a bass machine; has the Bass heft /clarity … but neither is going to match the timbre/tone/Juice of the Voyager …
Part 5
Both squeezing out a good amount of Juice; I just prefer the Muse here, Soft Warm & Full …
Part 6
Muse was always playing catch-up here; that Low-Cut helped a lot, but still Blurred/Dull compared to the Trigon
Part 7
Preferred the Muse here - almost a reversal of tonal characteristics from Part 6 🙃🤷🏻♂️ …
Part 8
More similar sounding in this Part than in any other, I think? Muse just a bit Softer; Trigon a but more Modern/Cut …
Part 9
Trigon’s turn to be stuck playing catch-up; this Part taps into the strengths of the Muse …
Part 10
Highlights that Muse leans to Big Soft Pads; the Trigon, Bright Modern Pads …
Bass comparisons with the Voyager (someone else requested this also), and Lead comparisons with the Trigon, would both be very interesting.
Great comparison! Thanks! 😎👍🏼
Nice breakdown! Thanks for all the input! Good points. Yeah the Muse in comparison to the Trigon often seemed like the "laid back" dude in the room and the Trigon wanted to be the forward leaning "in your face" guy. Regarding my comment on the brightness in the one comparison with the Muse being brighter. That's how it seemed in the studio while recording. When I listened to the video after it was posted on my phone in another room I thought the opposite.
Thanks for watching!
I'd like to hear how they both sound in Unison mode with a bit of detune, playing a 16th note or 8th note sequenced bassline. Something punchy and dark, that really gives that big bottom end.
Resonance sounds hash on Muse compare to Trigon-6. I prefer the Trigon-6 where it counts. Sound. Warmer, fuller and more fun with the hands-on interface and no menus.
"She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, kid"
@@deepsynths what a quote 👏
@@1dale1dale
Good stuff! They are both awesome synths, and they seem to be able to fulfill many of the same roles. It helps to get the muse in tune, you may have to run the full tuning process, as that's what took care of tuning for my Muse. From there on, just running th quick tune option should suffice to get the muse in tune. I don't even have to do that anymore.. shortly after turning it on it sounds perfect.
Overall, the Trigon seems to sound a little stiffer/controlled, in the same way that my Prophet 6 does. It's easier to get organic sounding patches out of the Muse. Much to my surprise, the Muses' saw oscs seem to have more high end content (they sound a little fizzier), and the square on the Trigon is a little buzzier.
I guess the correct answer is that you need both ;)
Then again.. good luck taking the Trigon in this kind of territory ;) ua-cam.com/video/pV1MBMqMOxA/v-deo.html
I agree with your points. My Muse isn't as stable on warm up as the Trigon. It sort of bugs me but when it get's fully warmed up the voices are dead on with a tuner. So I'm afraid to do that full tuning recalibration just to improve that one small factor.
I'm worried I'll make it worse, you know. Was it easy to do? Thanks for watching!
@@deepsynths yeah you just switch it off for about an hour, so it cools down as far as it can, then you run the tuning routine. It'll take over an hour, and Muse will make noises (you may want to turn it's volume down before running the routine), and when it's done, the individual voices are more in tune with eachother.
There's nothing to it, just let Muse do it's thing and that's it. From there on you can use quick tune. Use that a couple of times and Muse learns what to do in certain temperatures.. at least that's what I gathered it does ;)
@@payt01 cool thanks. That what I was wondering. How many times you have to quick tune after that.
@@deepsynths I've done it about five or six times since I did the full tune routine. That was a couple of weeks ago, and it's been really stable since.
@@payt01 cool thanks!
Great comparison!
I am considering the Muse, but still not convinced of the tone and sound. As a fan of Ob-6 and Trigon but need a 5 octave and more modulations, do you think it can do the kind of sounds good enough to recommend the Muse?
Thanx
It works well beside my Trigon and OB-6 in the studio. I'm using it over them now in my current project because the sounds just seem to fit better for the track. All 3 have their own sound and character so ultimately it's your call as to which fits you best. The Muse is very "musical" in its tone where the Trigon is very punchy and direct. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching!
@@deepsynths Ok, thanks.
I actually decided to wait for the "perfect" poly ;-). Fell for the Sequential Pro 3 monosynth, which will keep me busy for a while, while it covering so much sounds exept for chords. Its actually the best synth I ever had (Ob-6 is the best soundwise).
@@onathanj Cool. The Pro 3 is a really good synth to have around for bass!
A wise man once said: “There are no winners or losers here…”
Agree! Thanks for checking out the video!
It feels like the Trigon is inherently more compressed than the Muse.
The Trigon often feels more focused, perhaps compressed when compared to the Muse. Where the Muse has more of a spread out sound. A bit looser and raw. I like both flavors, depends on what I"m doing. Thanks for watching!
This! Its like the trigon is flat
Trigon 6🖤🔝
Thanks for checking it out!
Thanks for this. Been curious to see a comparison between the Muse and the Voyager. Any thoughts?
Yes there is interest in that so it's on the list. Stay tuned! Thanks for the input and for checking out the video!
Listening on smallish speakers, at least in pt.1 the Trigon sounds a bit louder. If they are indeed equal in volume, that would be a one-up for the Trigon, but I suspect the Muse level is simply a tad bit lower..
It's sort of like trying to hit a moving target. As soon as you make one adjustment, Filter, etc., the balance starts to shift. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the comparison. I think both have incredible quality and sounds. I probably prefer Trigon for having a more direct interface, like a Grandmother, Subsequent or SE-02.
Yeah the Trigon interface is nice and does feel very "direct" and fast. Thanks for watching!
Buy both?
can't find a single video of actual songs made with the muse so far. would love to see that
I'm thinking about doing that. Stay tuned! Thanks for watching!
There is no king Both are great synths they’re totally different. Trigons missing an octave, and not sure if you bumped it down an octave. On proper speakers to me the trigon low end sounded better, but a lot of them aren’t level matched either so hard to truly tell. for any of us to say there is a winner is funny as that’s just preference to the style of music you’re making and how could people even know without playing it. I have both and I love them both. Thanks for the test.
Yes, they are both really nice synths. Who's the king? Well for now they're sharing the crown in my studio, ha, ha. I feel we are in such a great time having so many choices in the analog synth world. 15 years ago was a different story. Thanks for watching!
Mmmm id go with the trigon
Trigon is solid! Thanks for watching!
They don't have to be competitors, they can live in harmony side by side.
Beside, I hear a more differenciated tone from the Muse, which makes it a bit deeper and interesting, featuring a slightly more detailed tone. The Trigon sounds more direct but slightly one-dimensional. The more details of the Muse gives a wider and deeper feel. Trigon transports its tone more on one level and it's sounding a bit harder. I also feel that the Muse has endless sweetspots.
If I had to choose: Muse. In fact, I actually decided for it. 😅
Very good analysis. You have a good ear. Thanks for watching and enjoy your Muse in the future!
@@deepsynths Thank you. I'm working on it. 😁
I have the Rev2-16 voice, and I think it has the same funky vibe/punch of resonance and short/Plucks like the Trigon that I played recently:)
I feel like Moog should make a 4 voice module at some point to stay in competition with Behringer’s pro 1 and pro 800 especially with their warm characters😄
Interesting comparison of the Trigon and Rev2. I'm sure Moog has more ideas like that planned for the future. Not to copy Behringer but just to have offerings at different price points. Thanks for watching!
Trigon sounds thicker to me
Strangely I’d prefer the Muse just for the 5 octave keyboard, with the two extra voices as an added bonus.
Wonderful comparision from musician to musicians, without influencer b*sh*t - thanks a lot!
Both are great actually. Maybe Muse looks like a winner here, trigon still has it's qualities... and trigon is very-very hands on.
Would love to see a Muse vs Polybrute!
Thanks very much! The Muse invites you to sit down and experiment with sounds more where the Trigon is like a fast familiar tool. You can use it to create a solid sound you need for a track in a hurry.
That's what brought me here too. No better or worth and no manipulation. 🎉
Every synth has a purpose, there's no best, because no one synth can do everything, and that'd be boring anyway. It's a subjective question, just like all music, and just an opinion. People choose what they like by the transients in the voices. It's the tiny details that lead us one direction or another. An obsession with gear though, has nothing to do with music, and becomes a collectors game, and this quest for the perfect sound, becomes a loss to creativity, and productivity. Leading to an insecurity, or lack of confidence, with too many choices. That's our take on the issue. Keep it simple. Your imagination is more important than the instruments. Because that's where the music comes from.
Thanks for this, even though it didn't sway us either way.
I definitely agree that in the end it's very subjective and depends on the individual's taste. Just like music. I've had music promoted in the past to DJ's and radio stations and you'd get feedback from different people on the same track that was polar opposites, "this is great! will give full support!" then "not really feeling this one, sorry" ha, ha.. Taught me a lot.
Thanks for watching!
@@deepsynths Yup. Been an Artist for over 40 years. Know all about how different people see things. There's actually an art form for that idea created in 1984 called Imaginism.
If I ever buy a used Muse, limit $2K, I will rationalize it by using it as a dual timbre, dual filter, killer monosynth, costing way less than a MiniMoog. Still waiting for Behringer to clone the Memorymoog, but using Cherry Audio Polysynths for now. Used UB-Xa goes for around $1K. When Indonesian made Minis hit the market, they would probably be under $2K. Some high-end flagships like the OBX8 are currently discounted on Sweetwater site. I expect a lot of lower pricing next year when economic realities set in. The Trigon has been on my radar, one day when they're cheaper maybe.
There was actually a big price jump in all of the "6 series" synths at sequential recently. I think the cost of doing business for them is going to make a decrease in the Trigon's price not likely. But hey, you never know! Thanks for watching!
Just got the desktop can not wait
The Trigon desktop of course. Nice! Enjoy! Dial the oscillators back to 12 o'clock for sweeter sounds. Sequential has the patches running pretty "hot". Thanks for watching!
@@deepsynthsthank you for tips been pining for a trigon for a very long time. The muse is amazing but too big for my space
@@tombasports The Trigon also comes in a desktop module. You may already know. Super space friendly.
The Muse has an organic sound that represents Moog like no other. If you’re after that particular pleasing and authentic, closely related to “Moog moving instability warming oscillators “ then, you’re closer to traditional characteristics.
The Trigon has its strengths in stability. You know what you’re going to receive when dialing up a patch. Not much movement other than pan spread and some LFO tricks. It’s reliable but, certainly not organic. Jmo.
The prices definitely can dictate the market here either way.
If I were to get one of these handed to me for free? Hands down - Muse.
@@hurricane6014 Good points. Thanks for watching!
Both are great - this comparison reminds me of OB-X8 vs. OB-6, or Prophet Rev. 4 vs. Prophet-6.. so is the Muse more lush and organic in the Oscillators & Filters vs. the midfocused Trigon (better for a monotimbral synth) - there is no better, it's a design choice..
The Oscillators alone are very close but adding in the filters I'd say yes, you could describe it that way. The filters feel very different when your moving them around. You can often set them to match each other's sound closely but twisting the knobs is a different experience. Thanks for watching!
I like the dark tone of the sequential. The Muse looks beautiful though, and it's got the mod matrix
I've got a lot of use out the Trigon since I picked it up. It's solid. Try them both if you can. Thanks for watching!
I enjoyed the Trigon more, "that's just my like... my opinion man..." Lmao. But I gotta say, that last pad, i sorta liked more on the Moog along with a couple other sounds. Both sound gorgeous.
Cool! Thanks for watching!
I got muse and trigon desktop same time. Kept trigon. Muse is good too but trigon made me happy, muse didn’t
Nice! You tried both and kept the one that made you happy. I recommend that approach. Thanks for watching!
@@deepsynths yes sometimes it ends up being “both” that way however 😅 muse is probably awesome for many however. I’ll give it another chance someday possibly when the firmware had time to mature and hopefully they fixed the screen flicker i had going. Didn’t expect them to be as different as they are for sure. 😀
@@neuronist Good thinking!
The trigon is cutting through a lot more, it´s like it has a much more direct and present sound(hard to explain) The Moog is much more mellow. I like Trigon the most...
One of my first impressions was the Trigon is more of a tight and focused sound while the Muse is more laid back and organically funky (if that makes sense). Thanks for watching!
@@deepsynthsyep. Both are extremely good though👍
Nice 🙏🙏 please compare muse and voyager
Good idea! thanks for watching!
Thanks for doing this comparison. Both synths sound great. Your Muse sounds out of tune at times. Have you tried running an autotune calibration function on it after it warmed up? That should fix that issue.
I like the sound of both, but I would personally go with the Muse, especially considering the fact they're the same price, and the fact the Muse has 2 more voices (which is a big plus) and a 5-octave keyboard. I also like the panel layout and display on the Muse better too. Oh, and the Muse sounds a bit more life-like to me as well.
Yeah the Muse seems sensitive to the warm up period regarding tuning. After that it's really tight. I ran the quick tune and it seemed to improve at certain points in the warm up timeline. Thanks for watching!
@@deepsynths You're welcome! My pleasure. I enjoyed the video. Thanks for doing the comparison.
TL:DW - Trigon 6, Winner.
thanks for checking it out!
I’m a die mooger, the sequential sounds crispier, the muse is warmer on the bass and mono though
Sequential in general seems to lean more in that direction with their designs from what I've experienced. It's like the Trigon can't escape its DNA under pinnings. Thanks for watching!
The Novation Summit also shows the saved value when you are changing the setting. It’s very nice to have. The raw sound of the Muse is so sweet. The Trigon is a bit more bright, has a bit more harshness. The Muse is one of the best sounding synths I’ve ever heard.
Yeah once you get use to seeing the settings like that you miss it when it's not there, at least some sort of indicator. The Muse has what I hear as "Moog sweet". There's a musicality to it. Thanks for watching!
Trigon, Muse...both are awesome in the right hands. Trigon is a bit thicker, Muse a bit more metallic and detuned
Yes, they have their own thing going and both have been a great addition to the studio! Thanks for watching!
I'm thinking for less money a TEO-5 plus a Take-5 over either of these. A Muse or Trigon at $2k would also be a winner, but I think UB-XA, Summit, Rev2 16.... many great options for less $$$. Next year flagship synths go on deep discounts due to economic reality setting in. Not many peeps will have $3-5K to throw around.
Those are good options at a good price. If you do buy a Muse I recommend buying from someone who gives you a good discount. There's some places that don't (I won't name names). You can get it for at least 350 dollars under sticker price. Thanks for watching!
You are kinda right the take 5 is almost a pro 3 killer
@@tombasports. How so?! They are very different synths!!
@@tombasports If you ignore the sequencer on the Pro 3, then maybe. However, the Pro 3 still handles basses better than the Take 5 (as a mono synth, it should).
Facts!….I don’t put my toys on credit so those prices are not for me. Trigon has a module for $2500…and that’s a steep climb too, but more realistic for me. That being said, the GR-Mega is coming and I don’t have anything like that yet.
Envelopes sound vastly different more than anything else.
Making adjustments to them is very different. I'm really use to the Trigon so it took a little time to get the feel of the Muse envelopes. Thanks for watching!
@@deepsynths You might not be able to match them exactly. They just behave differently and that's part of their character.
@@SPL-6 Agree.
Great video! Either one would be a great tool and both sound very good.
Thanks! I really find them both to be great instruments that are inspiring to play and useful in the studio.
i think the muse sounds better. It is more nuanced. The filter is sounding great and its been given equal parts in the soundstage with the oscillators. It sounds a bit smoother and deep. The trigon sounds a bit harder and modern.
Both are great but the Muse has my heart, wow!
Try one out, you'll probably like it even more! Thanks for watching!
@@deepsynths my local guitar center isn’t going to have one I called…😭 they said I had to buy it and return it 💀…I do plan on buying one someday though. Patiently saving lol
@@TheMachinesWon The best test is at home in your own studio. So since it's common now to have the 30-45 day return option I say take advantage of that. Best of luck!
The Muse seems to haves a bit more “presence” than the Trigon. Not sure if the filters where tuned exactly. I always like to have a spectrum analyzer going and drive the filter into self oscillation and tune it as precisely as I can, but I have heard this type of thing even then. Like the Muse is “leaking” a bit. Not necessarily a bad thing, but without the context of a song, it does pop out, as you say. One thing I’d say that would clinch it for me, is that Sequential instruments receive polyphonic aftertouch and MPE (not sure if the Trigon does MPE, but my Prophet 6 does) and this is a major difference that puts Moog out of any contest to get into my studio.
Ultimately, both wonderful instruments and I can imagine making great sounds with either. I’m currently comparing my 3rd Wave with the new Waldorf Microwave plugin, and in many ways I like the plugin more, and then all of the sudden I’ll make a tweak that makes the 3rd Wave sound amazing in a way I can’t get the plugin to do. As always, if you really want to make good music you have to own all the instruments. 😂
Good points. I'll have to check out the filter like you mentioned. The Moog does after touch. It's in the assignable controllers section along with some other control options.
@@deepsynths I do know about the aftertouch, but I’m talking about the per-voice aftertouch like the PolyBrute 12 or Quantum 2. The Sequentials don’t have it, but they do recognize it from other instruments.
@@zerorossing207 Got ya.
@@zerorossing207 - The latest firmware update on the Trigon finally added PAT capability over MIDI. I'm not sure about MPE.
Muse has better bass my headphone/DAC is bass sensitive so i can tell it lol
As a bass head I prefer the Muse
Yeah with your spy equipment you light the truth to us. Professor.
Noone asked. Everybody can hear it
Its Muse vs the world for 2024 😎
..tuning issues on analog poly synths "¡Ay, caramba!"
It's a Muse "take over" ha, ha. Thanks for watching!
Owned Muse since day one love it. I think Muse wins. Better comp would be to turn off all effects in both. The angelic Trigon patch had the Fx advantage. Thank you. Great video. Could care less about sequencer on Muse, except for synth sound audition.
Yeah the Muse has a certain "musicality" to the sound that I really love. I left the effects on that "angelic" patch because it just seemed woven into the character of it on the Trigon. Thanks for watching my videos and for the input based on your own Muse!
I feel like one or two of your Muse voices is out of tune....perhaps a quck calibration would improve it. Otherwise, I think the Muse is clearly the winner over the Trigon....but both sound wonderful!
Yeah the tuning gets dead on when it's been on awhile but a couple of the voices go in and out of tune on the way to that temp. Thanks for checking it out!
Oohhh, had both these up against each other in my mind [Edit: read wallet ....], so this is super helpful 😔🙌🎹💥🍻🇬🇧
Cool! Thanks very much for checking it out!
@deepsynths Yeah, great bk2bk stand off of these 2 great analogue poly's!! ..... at a very high level I feel the Trigon is a little sharper, cleaner, more 'modern' analogue sounding in tone, but I've only played the Trigon at Synthfest UK last yr in isolation... one of 2 brill new synths there; other was George's Super Gemini 20 vox!!! Very old skool like Juno's but brought up to date .... 😁👍
I mean if your going to play Moog sounds on a Dave smith… and compare it to a Moog… the Moog is going to come out king 👑 sequential should never be compared to Moog, they are different animals. You’ll never replicate certain sounds; one synth can do certain sounds a lot better, while one will come out king in other categories. I like to have both in my arsenal 🤙
Since the Trigon has the "Moog style" ladder filter it seemed like worthy comparison to make. People have been asking for a long time about the Trigon and does it sound like a Moog. I felt like I had to go there. But yeah, we were playing on the Moog's home field I suppose. Thank's for watching!
@@deepsynths ugh… the Trigon doesn’t do it for me…. I would rather just own an ob 6. Moog all the way with this one 🤙
@@daguy7575 OB-6 is a sweet synth! Thanks for watching!
Yeah thats just your opinion, no one cares. Buy what you want
@@markus6409 🙈🙊 no it’s just facts… a Moog will always be better at being a Moog than a Sequential 🤙
Quick observation but 2 less voices and one less octave which is a really big difference. Those clicky buttons like on my Oberheim and here on sequential, mine never worked I hate those buttons. I ordered the Muse.
Enjoy the Muse!
Feels like the first comment.
Thanks for watching!
The Moog Muse wins for a couple of reasons. It offers 2 more voices than the Trigon, and it offers a 5-octave keyboard all for the same price as the Trigon 6.
I do really like having the extra octave. There's was time when I didn't miss it much but now I do if it's not there. Thanks for watching!
Just tested the Muse, Teo 5, OBX8, and Arturia PB12 at Guitar Center. The construction quality of Muse is not good. I don’t like to expend a lot of money only because of the sound. All is important for me. I have other high quality digital synths (Quantum MKII, 3rd Wave, UDO Super Gemini, Hydrasynth Deluxe, Polybrute 6, Jupiter X). Muse is the worst that I tried. I was impressed with Teo-5 on sound, keybed and construction. I want an analog synth now. So or I go to Trigon or Teo-5
Muse is a little more organic and has little more punchy presence. The Trigon is smooth and bouncy in the bass like a Juno 60 almost .. Both good to have in the set up, in context of making songs. Since I have a P5.. I’m going to get a muse and maybe a TEO 5.
With a Muse and P5 you'll be covering a lot of classic synth territory. I've got a P10 and between that and the Muse it's like a synth universe of good old analog satisfaction! Thanks for watching!
Muse hands down :)
Ya presque que plus de pêche sur le trigon dommage que le prophète 5oi mono
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I bought this Moog Muse, was crazy about it and here comes the thing: Unfortunately, "Moog Muse" has terribly disappointed me.. To turn on this keyboard it takes more than a minute (!).. Functions do not work properly, lights go on and off quickly and without meaning. The speed of the envelope generators is WAY too slow.. Chords played faster produce unwanted fast arpeggios. I tested everything and even the new software (1.2) did not fix these serious bugs, so I have to warn about it.. De-tuning is a big problem, even the tuning function does not work. The keyboard froze even after programming faster sequences.. The overall sound was thin and not as fat as my old Moog products (Mini Moog, Memory Moog). My impression: This instrument is too digitally controlled inside by very slow and in the worst case... often incomplete processing. I returned the Moog Muse to the seller and I have to say, there is something very wrong with this new Moog and it doesn't sound like a typical Moog at all!
The sound is also bad and not rich. Too many other synths sound fuller, richer and faster (envelope generators) and the filter here doesn't do what it promises!!
Forget the actual "Moog" products. They are not what they promise and what they say they are.
Direct comparison with my old Sequential Circuit products and many intensive tests finally opened my eyes after many hours, folks.
I'm sorry for all of you who fell into this trap like me.
Sooner or later you will confirm what I am writing here.
Nobody wants to admit it but even the original polybrute sounds better I think.
Both Moog and Sequential need to up their game!
Not every synth is for everyone. That's cool. Thanks for checking it out!
@@deepsynths no I get that. I just think people overhype Moog. Don’t get me wrong, I will buy it. I have a problem! 😂
@@deepsynths after all, it is Moog’s last synth
@@FrankieNuggetz I think a lot of us have that "problem"! Ha, Ha!
I got rid of an original polybrute. Too sterile sounding. Went with a prophet 5 instead. Works better for my tastes.
Moog is broken
holy sh*t that Moog tuning is unacceptable, can't even listen to it, just plain nasty