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Going back to what you said about boarding, as soon as the drones were on board the Death Star it's game over, the empire has no prior knowledge of the Borgs assimilation methods so they would likely underestimate the threat posed by a dozen or so drone if they even detected them at all. Further if the transporter technology was detected and identified it is possible that the Imperial officers would hold off firing the super laser as they'd plausibly want to capture the technology for their own use. Now I'll grant that that is all dependent on the Borg being able to transport before the weapon fires for the first time. However, it should be noted that Borg sensors would likely detect the charging super weapon prompting them to eject their sphere which could then proceed to assimilate the Death Star after the Cube had been destroyed.
The cube wouldn't have been destroyed by the weapon! The super laser would have never penetrated the Borg shields! just because it is a super powered laser that can destroy a planet doesn't mean it can penetrate far superior shield technology that actually blocks effectively those particular weapons!
Sorry but they only adapt superior biological and technological advancements into their collective. The problem would be the reverse, the newly assimilated stormtroopers would start hitting their targets.
The Death Star's main weapon is located at a very specific point in its configuration, probably covering about 0.75-1.5/360 degrees, when the focused beam width is compared against the coverage of the full sphere. It can't fire through itself, obviously. Therefore, the maneuverability of the sphere is very important, especially its ability to turn around the central axis. This is something we have no idea of, whereas we know about the comparable size (and somewhat predictable maneuvering capabilities) of the Borg cube. In this case, the Death Star is a bazooka and the Borg cube is a wasp, that is going to give you a pretty fatal allergic reaction, unless your aim is dead on.
I know it's a belated response, but I think this would potentially be a deciding factor. I think it'd all come down to whether the Death Star's shields can interfere with transporter technology, something that'd be a complete unknown to the Star Wars universe. If it can block transporters, the borg cube might get overwhelmed by turbolaser fire before it can bring down the Death Star's shields, and if they get under the sights of the main gun the jig's up. But if they can transport drones through the shield, drone personal shielding can probably handle blaster fire a lot better than the cube could handle turbolasers or the superlaser.
The shear size of a death star, it would take too long for the borg drones to capture any significant tactical positions such as the bridge , by then big daddy laser is locked on
@@tristanbreen they can plug in like anywhere and control systems just like R2D2. on top of that, their shields would adapt after one or two casualties. wouldnt need transporters... just launch some borg drones at the surface of the death star and swarm it.
Such fun. This basically comes down to timing: can the Death Star overwhelm the cube quickly enough to prevent assimilation? If it’s just down to fire power, then yes, it probably could. But would the crew of the Death Star REACT quickly enough? Based on the rules set out for this engagement the Empire just see an unfamiliar space vessel approach their huge space station that they consider to be invincible. They DO NOT see a threat. They do not engage the main weapon, or launch fighters or raise shields. They might try to use their tractor beam to hold the cube for further inspection / interrogation. The Borg on the other hand have a singular purpose and make no assumptions. They see the Death Star, scan it immediately and then send a drone to interface with its systems to find out if it is worth assimilating. That is that start and end of this battle. If the Borg are allowed to complete their assessment of the DS, then they will have all the information they need to overcome it. If the Imperial crew of the DS can somehow react quickly enough to prevent it then they may be able to win. It’s not a battle decided by the ships, but by tactics and attitude.
Only one problem to point out with this, the DS has a permanent shield in place, so scanning and transporting would likely be disrupted to begin with. Not saying that would matter in the end, but it is a point to note.
The Borg wouldn't attempt to destroy the death star at all. If the imps recognize the threat early enough and are able to charge the main weapon quickly enough, that is basically they're only hope. A fighter attack, even with hundreds or thousands of TIEs would find themselves destroyed before they can get in range to attack the cube. Seeing a large fleet of fighter craft approaching, the Borg would deploy large area of effect weapons like the gravitic mines they planned to get voyager to use against species 8472. Standard torpedoes also would be effective at destroying squadrons of TIEs as they fly in tight formations and have no shields. The Borg would begin by using their shield draining weapon to disable the shields, that is if the ds shield would block transporters at all, it didn't stop xwings from flying through it. They would then transport drones aboard to evaluate the technology and begin assimilating the station and it's crew. Several drones are likely to be killed immediately by Stormtroopers, perhaps even the first wave entirely. More drones beam aboard and are now adapted to blaster weapons. The drones quickly overcome the Stormtroopers sent to stop them and assimilate them and any other personnel they encounter. The Borg will likely have interfaced with the death star's computer systems by now and have begun to shut down it's systems, preventing the use of the superlaser if it hasn't already been fired. These tactics have all been seen used by the Borg before. With no effective weapon to kill the drones, it is only a matter of time before the entire death star will be assimilated and the millions of people aboard added to the collective.
There is one very important issue you all seem to forget: the difference in technology!!! Star trek universe's technology is faze based and would be of low or no effect against the Death Star and the gravity manipulation against a thing as big as a Death Star would, indeed, be futile... The Borg could not adapt to Imperial weapons because there is nothing to adapt to, Imperials would simply melt the Borg away!
@@TheLeens why would phased nadion based weapons be ineffective against the death star? And if you want to argue that point, lasers can't penetrate startrek shields, so the DS would be defenseless. Also Borg weapons are widely accepted to be plasma based, aside from the cutting beam which is still unidentified. I would consider starwars turbolasers to also be plasma weapons and not true lasers for sake of comparability. One of the biggest things people fail to take into account in these cross-universe comparisons is overall weapon design. Star wars weapons are manually controlled and pretty inaccurate. They shoot fast and lay down an impressive spray of fire in an area but lack precision targeting capabilities. That is why fighters are so useful in star wars: they can evade the inaccurate weapon emplacements and make precision attacks on key structures of enemy ships. In Star trek, the main weapons of the capital vessels are extremely precise and computer targeted, able to target individual locations on a ship with ease, and at very long range. The Borg could easily target and destroy huge numbers of the death star's surface cannons, maybe even from outside their effective range. I discount that strategy simply because it would make it stupidly easy for the Borg. I give the face to face brawl strategy a tie, the ds wouldn't inflict enough damage on the cube to disable it before the turrets are destroyed, the the death star is too big and too heavily armored a target to simply destroy with even the impressive firepower of a Borg cube. It would come down to boarding action, and this is where the Borg drones would prove their superiority over imperial Stormtroopers. Stormtroopers aren't equipped to fight an enemy that can adapt to their weapons. Blasters aren't easily modifiable in the way federation phasers are to allow them to get a few more shots in before the Borg adapt again. And as the Borg win firefights, they assimilate the Stormtroopers and grow stronger in numbers.
Have we forgotten one technological aspect of ship on ship combat here? Boarding via teleporter. This is a legitimate form of naval combat and wasn't listed. It only takes one drone, ONE, to transport over and then its game over.
Zachary Bruhn i am totally with you...but lets put it straight...most of the time the opponents are chosen so starwars would win...i mean...planet destroying space station vs a single ship...xD in size and weaponry a star destroyer would have made more sense...but then SW would have lost :p
The main strength of the Borg is assimilation, they don't destroy they strive for perfection for the Collective. With a complement of approximately 130,000 drones, if the battle was going against them they could beam half of them to the Death Star and begin the assimilation of personnel and technology, losing only a handful of drones before their personal shields adapt to Imperial sidearms and rifles and with no Sith onboard there would be no weapons that would pose a threat to them. The Borg may lose the Cube but the battle would be theirs as, once on the Death Star, the Imperials wouldn't stand a chance and the battle station would soon service the Collective.
Borg Drones are not "mindless" drones. They're the Collective Mind of the Borg, organized into subroutines that operate the ship & orchestrate assimilation. The whole time the ships are fighting, thousands of Borg are beaming onboard & assimilating crew & Death Star systems. The Death Star flies off "triumphant", but is oddly silent when it reaches its destination. As the Imperials attempt to make contact, they're greeted with: "We are the Borg. Resistance is futile." Full assault by amped up energy weapons no Imperial ship has; & mass assault by weirdly-modified TIE fighters that simply ignore weapons hits after the first few kills...
@@happydog2905 they would kill the first few drones. After that, the drones would adapt to the weapons, making them worthless. Then it becomes a numbers game. 20 drones assimilate 20 troopers. Then 40. Then 80. Then 160. Then 320. Then 640. Then 1280.... Etc etc etc... Eventually (as stated) you have a fully assimilated borg death star.
It would be a no brainer. nanobots of borg will easily take over one replicator learning the replicator language and assimilating the technology. I give it a max of 10 minutes and replicators would be borg commanded. The real battle would be, what computer could hack which computer first. Replicators operate on nice efficient computer language. Borg use the instincts and unpredictability of a live adaptive mind with the speed of a supercomputer on steroids. They are experts at infiltrating other computer systems to make them their own.
@@ibewscott69 😭😭🤣🤣 the Borg would get ran through by the replicators....Ran through. I don't understand why people keep attributing Invincibility with the Borg??? The replicators were created by a species leagues more advanced than Borg. Species 8472 were immune to the Borg and their nano bots, and their small ships were able to destroy Borg cubes with ease. The replicators are made of nano machines operating on an energy the Borg has never heard of and as for the replicators ships????? Orion class ancient war ships with the ability to use zpms, extremely powerfull plasma weaponry - not phasers, that are again, leagues ahead of anything they would have encountered. Drone weapons, and an ability to figure the Borg out no problem. The Borg would be like insects to the replicators. The borg are threat in star trek, a universe that went on the principles of the 70s that we'd all be in flying cars by the year 2000. The species in star gate have tech tens of thousands of years more advanced and refined than any in star trek, which is what supposed to be 500 years from where we are now.
@@ibewscott69 Borg nanoprobes vs Replicator language vs Cylon computer virus...? I think the Cylons take that fight, until a 1 starts making angry speeches and gets spaced.
WINNER: The Borg! ... ... But NOT the Cube! ... ... There is no doubt the Death Star would blow up a single Borg Cube in one shot, because the Borg would not be able to adapt. However, the Borg would definitely win. The Borg would Transport their Drones aboard the Death Star. A small number of Drones would die when hit with the lasers from the Imperial Troopers. However, after the Drones aboard the Death Star adapt, the Borg would then star assimilating the Troopers. The Cube would be destroyed, but the Borg would easily win from the inside and the Death Star would be successfully assimilated. The loss of a Cube for a gain of Death Star is something the Borg will do every time.
Normal, low power lasers wouldn't damage the Borg Cube's shields, but something that can destroy an entire planet would probably overwhelm the Cube's shields, and even though the Cube is made of tritanium which is ~25x stronger than diamond, I don't think it would stand a planet-destroying weapon. The TIE fighters and turbolasers would barely affect the Cube, though, as plasma is very weak against even navigational shields, as plasma is a problem for navigation, it has to be blocked by the nav shields.
The problem is that the Borg are very methodical in a first contact scenario - they start out by sending in a single drone to analyze their opponent's systems and gauge their reaction. For the first several minutes of the encounter, they focus on gathering information, either by infiltrating the other ship with drones or by cutting away samples of the ship's hull. In this amount of time, the Death Star would be more than able to obliterate the cube and all of its occupants. The one or two drones remaining on the Death Star would not pose a threat.
4:52 Just a fun fact, No borg cube would need any crew to repair themselves, all borg technology is based on nanotechnology and the smallest piece of a ship can potentially repair itself into a full cube, and can also assimilate an entire world.
They aren't magic. The Cube needs matter to build something with. If only a small piece remains, it would need to find some matter to rebuild the ship. Arguably, the Cube's rapid repair rates (as seen in the show) are because the Cube beamed up huge chunks of several planets to use as raw material. Once the Cube takes enough damage, and that material is blown away, their ability to regenerate begins to drop rapidly. (Such as in the Battle of Sector 001)
@@Swiftbow Given the Borg can transport through shields, any damage they do that results in debris is more material for them to repair with. The Borg would have to similarly overwhelm the Death Star to have a chance. They could do it, but it would cost the Collective. Slightly better than a Pyrrhic victory.
This idiot goofed throughout the entire fucking video. The Death Stars targeting accuracy is within 10 kilometers. It wouldn't even be able to target the cube in the first place.
The impulse-drive of the borg cube is surprisingly strong. I think the cube could easily avoid the deathstar's superlaser. And: after the drones had adapted to the imperial weapons, they could easily assimilate the whole deathstar-crew.
They don't even need to do that. They can drop out of warp, scan the Death Star, analyze the shields, adjust transporters, then beam 4,000 drones aboard and start the assimilation process. Then they can take the Borg Star wherever they want, like an Imperial shipyard such as Kuat Drive Yards, or even go right to Coruscant. Then they can beam 400,000 drones down, and easily take over. The Borg are relentless. "They're like a storm on the horizon. You can't fight the storm, you simply move out of the way." Arcturus, in the Voyager episode Hope and Fear.
Marky An interesting idea. I suppose the question comes down to how one gets force powers in the first place. To my knowledge it's never explicitly stated how it happens. If it's genetic then I have no doubt that the Borg would be able to dissect it and learn how it works. But if it's something more etherial then they might have a harder time. If the force somehow decides for itself who gets force powers then it may not even be possible.
Borg Cube gets destroyed, but a group of drones manages to transport onto the Death Star first. The drones adapt to Imperial weapons. They assimilate the crew and ship over the course of a few weeks. The Death Star becomes part of the collective. Resistance is futile.
I like how the analysis of this battle was done in the comments. Clearly, the creator of this content designs his categories of comparison with a star wars bias. It may be unintentional, but it is there. In war, all strategies are on the table, so to, at the outset limit the abilities of the opponent, in my opinion, makes the comparison pointless. The Borg will use any strategy that ensures victory. To include teleportation, and the cube is smaller than the DS, so, I assume more maneuverable. All they would have to do, is get behind the DS planet killer and match its rotation to ensure they are never in the crosshairs. Then they can scan, for as long as they want till they eventually overcome the shields of the DS. They would then teleport over to say hello. One could argue that a barrage of TIE fighters would be bombarding the cube, but really, do we honestly believe TIE fighters can damage a cube? TIE fighters, that do not have modulating lasers? One cube destroyed over 30 federation battleships. This in my opinion would be a simple win for the Borg, who have centuries of battle strategy under their belt, and millions of civilisations' knowledge to draw on. This is a battle the DS could not win.
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There is one thing that you missed. And that is that the reason Starfleet won the engagement at sector 001 is that being used to Borg combat strategies at that point they knew to rotate modulations of shields and weapons. So it was a matter of tactics not the size of the fleet. On the other hand there is no canon example of blaster/turbo laser tech having different weapon frequencies. Just different orders of magnitude. The proding of the imperial commanders (via TIE fighters) could render the Superlaser moot if it's modulation is the same as the TIEs. No assimilation would be needed, just their ability to adapt
That relies on the ability of adaptation to handle any level of power, which i'm not sure it can. It's like adapting to getting shot by an m4 only to have a multiple-ton tungsten rod hit you at tens of thousands of miles per hour. The sheer difference in power would likely negate any adaptation
The frequency of a stars light is measurable and fairly constant - by which i mean it stays within a fairly predictable range over millions of years. Borg ships have been destroyed within stars. If adaption was really that powerful, they could sit in the very center of a star and not give a shit. They can't.
Starfleet prevailed at the battle of Sector 001 because Picard was linked to the hive mind where he identified a critically vulnerable area that even Data had disregarded. The entire fleet engaged the cube in that precise location at precisely the right time to destroy it. Picard proved that his time with the Borg did indeed make him the perfect man to fight against them.
I would have to disagree with your conclusion. First, the Death Star is hardly maneuverable at all. The entire final act of New Hope took place while it was getting into position to fire on the rebel base. It had to gradually settle into a planetary orbit and wait for gravity to do its thing. This tells me that it barely has any power to move at sub-light speeds. A Cube, on the other hand, has shown an ability to enter and exit warp speed (a tech not available to the Empire) with ease and to quickly maneuver at sub-light speeds. Second, the Borg engage to assimilate, not destroy. They don't simply cruise up to a space station and open fire. (Yes, they fired on Federation outpost in Best of Both Worlds, but that was to lure Picard out for capture.) The Empire doesn't either (they captured the Falcon...) So, there would be a standoff. The Empire would either tractor the ship in (if it had a port big enough) or send ships to investigate. Either way, the Borg would immediately be assimilating every Imperial person they came in contact with. The knowledge of those assimilated personnel would immediately become available to the Borg. The layout of the Death Star, its capabilities, everything would become part of the Borg's collective knowledge within a few hours of their first encounter. Third, the Death Star has no shields. Without shields, the Borg could transport onto the Death Star with ease. One Cube contains anywhere from 69,000 to 129,000 drones. Transporting 30,000 drones aboard in strategic locations would immediately overwhelm any Imperial response. And, within a few hours, every person on the Death Star would be Borg. Yep, even Darth Vader would be a Borg since the Borg would have the tactical expertise to know to fire simultaneous at every point of his body so he couldn't swipe away all of the blasts. So, now the Borg have the Force. Finally, now that the Borg have the most powerful weapon in the Galaxy, all the knowledge of the Empire's greatest engineers, technicians, and fighters, and the power of the Dark Side, they would quickly assimilate the remainder of the Galaxy. In short, the Empire is not equipped to deal with the Borg.
Matthew Price that’s fucking gay as fuck it’s a super weapon against a normal borg cube that’s like putting a imperial star destroyer against the Death Star.
That's because you don't know how the Borg operate there T. The Cube would be destroyed, but not before the Borg would be able to land a boarding party. Once they set foot inside, its done.
I don't believe the Imperials would risk sending any of their valuable and knowledgeable personnel to an unidentified craft, at risk of possibly getting killed or captured (note that I am only presenting risks the Imperials would see from the borg, not yet knowing they prefer to assimilate.) They would probably send a battalion of troops, not someone with extensive knowledge of the Death Star. I also doubt that the Borg could get close enough to beam themselves to any strategic let alone anywhere deep in the death star because of the Death Star's sheer size. It's too far away for the Borg transporters to reach. Also Darth Vader wouldn't risk himself being in a room with that many borg.
Granted, the Darth part of the comment was just for fun. However, clones are not stupid. They know their way around the Death Star and they know it capabilities even if they don't know how it works. So, their knowledge would be helpful. Keep in mind, we know from the Death Star firing scene that those who control the weapon are near the surface of the Death Star. We could see the energy beam pass them on its way out. So, the Borg wouldn't need to transport very deeply into the DS to take control of the main weapon. Plus, Federation ships are capable of beaming people to and from cave systems on planets while in geosynchronous orbit - that is about 22,236 miles above the Earth. I assume Borg tech is at least on par with Fed tech, so they wouldn't need to be that close to beam onboard. To give you an idea of how far that is, the Death Star at about 100 miles in diameter would look the size of a marble held at arms length.
I may have under-estimated the distance the Borg could transport themselves, but they can only do so when the opposing ship's shields are down. There's a scene when Luke was flying to blow up the death star's core, he had to pass through a magnetic shield. Assuming that this shield would prevent the borg from beaming in from afar, they would have to get dangerously close to the death star to get in, even if they strategically go onto the side without the superweapon, there are still surface defenses and thousands of tie fighters which I am confident could take out the borg ship before it gets close enough to beam through the shield. Also it's not all quite game over even if the Borg do beam onto the death star, the imperials might set up internal shielding to safeguard important facilities, not to mention, I'm not even sure the Borg could beam all of it's thousands of troops at the same time, they would probably have to send their force over, piece by piece. I also replied to a different person about how the Empire may try to resist the Borg invasion: "Lightsabers may prove to actually be capable of cutting through borg shielding indefinitely, the borg may not be able to adapt to it due to the sheer amount of energy pulsating through the saber (which is enough to deflect blaster fire and force lightning.) Speaking of the force, the borg would definitely not be able to immunize themselves to that, and Vader could easily choke them to death. The Imperial soldiers may also learn to recalibrate their weapons every so often as the Federation did, which would easily repel a Borg attack. Not to mention it would take quite a long time for any borg nanocubes to spread throughout the Death Star and infect its systems due to the Death Stars sheer size. Giving the Imperials enough to seal off Borg infected areas and let the vacuum of space suck the Borg out."
I feel like the Borg have a distinct disadvantage because they're from a franchise that is primarily specializes in weekly TV series. Quite frankly they have a lot more opportunities to be portrayed incorrectly, and a lot more opportunities to encounter outliers that make them seem much weaker than they are.
You got this completely wrong! Borg will never need to assimilate the Death Star. It has simply an over sized laser. Lasers and Plasma weapons are outdated even by standards of mid 22 century of Star Trek. Let alone 24 century. An over sized laser wont be a surprise weapon. 9/10 to Borg Cube. In Star Trek universe they don't need a Death Star because most ships are capable of Apocalyptic bombardment.
If you're going with the assumption that neither side has encountered the other before, the Empire isn't going to simply open up with its superlaser at full planet-killer intensity - they won't see the need. Most likely they'll view the Borg cube as a prize, and start bombarding it with turbolaser fire to disable its defenses, before sending boarding parties to conquer its presumed crew. By that time, the Borg will have finished their initial scouting-drone exploration of the Death Star and fully examined its capabilities. They're now aware of the superlaser, and will move to avoid it. Even if the Empire see the cube as an immediate threat and use the superlaser, they'll likely elect to fire a single-reactor-only blast, which will blow apart the cube but not vaporise it. That will give the Borg the leeway to launch their sphere ship, or transport directly to the Death Star, and once they form a collective on board, the eventual full assimilation of the Death Star is inevitable.
I would have to agree. All the Borg would need to do is transport aboard (transport is one advantage the ST universe has over SW). 2 drones after the initial recon drones and it is game over. The 2 drones will assimilate 2 stormtroopers (by that time they will have adapted to Star Wars small arms tech), And those 2 assimilated stormtroopers will tell (assimilate) 2 more friends, and so on, and so on.............Borg Death Star.
If the Deathstar got a shot on the Borg cube with the super laser it would be a short fight but the Borg would drop out of warp within beaming range and beam a massive boarding party before it fired a shot. The Borg would then be able to assimilate the entire deathstar crew within two days and would assilate the deathstar itself into their collective technology.
Milan Ondrak that would be like Hans maneuver with starkiller base, which I highly doubt the Borg could do, as the Death Star does have shields and he had mentioned the shields to be pretty standard, which we still know to be good enough, and the Borg typically remove the shield generator from the enemy, but with the Death Star and how massive and dense it is, they wouldn't be able to do that
The Borg have beamed through shields before and to be within transporter range you only need to drop from warp witin 3000 miles. Also the firearms in starwars are not as adjustable as phasers so the Borg would adapt quickly and then they would be able to keep assimilating relatively unaffected by the blasters they hit by.
Milan Ondrak fair enough, I respect that and could see that happening, but then we need to know how they get into the battle, otherwise it's too close to tell and all depends on if the Death Star would be able to get that one shot on the cube or if the Borg could get onto the Death Star, but yeah, that is a fair point.
That is also considering, that the Borg wouldn't send another Cube after the first got destroyed, but it is more-likely, that if the Borg-Cube gets destroyed, they would send in at least three more Borg-Cubes. After all, if they would encounter such a huge technological object, that could destroy their Cube that easily, it would certainly result in the Borg getting more-eager to assimilate that Technology, it could even result in the Borg sending quite some Tactical Borg-Cubes, being much larger, more fortified. They then could start analyzing the Death Stars Main-Weaponry, resulting in the borg becoming immune to it's Main-Weapon and Turbolasers. And if you might say: Nah, the Video stated 1 Borg against the Death Star, then you're not understanding the Borg, sending multiple Ships to fight tougher enemies. They may have fled from the 8472-Ships in Voyager, but that was due to these Organic Ships being naturally immune to most attempts of assimilation, as well as the Borgs Weaponry having no noteworthy Effect on 8472. And in the long Run, if it weren't it for Picard and Janeway to destroy some Queens, as well as the Borg-Transwarp-Hub, they might have been swarming into Federation-Space like crazy.
in one of The Next Generation episode when the Borg 1st encountered humans the 1st thing they did before attacking enterprise was to send just one drone to collect info on the technologies. once they did that they told Picard to surrender but not attack them just yet.
I think the Death Star definitely wins against a Borg Cube, at least the first time. However, unless the Superlaser was already charged I doubt it wins before the borg get at least some drones on board and begin the assimilation. The real question to me, is if after the battle the Empire is able to remove the infestation before the Death Star becomes the Borg Death Star.
Since the Empire know everything about the death star they know how to destroy it so if but its a very Strong IF the Borg able to do it the Empire would destroy it even before the Borg would be able to do anything with it
You forgot to account for transporters. If even one Borg drone transported inside the Death Star, the whole station could be assimilated. When the Borg are outgunned, that's how they fight. Transporter technology doesn't exist in the Star Wars universe. The Death Star would have no defense against it.
@@darbyohara Correction: federation transporter technology cannot go through federation shields. The Borg have repeatedly shown that they can instantly adapt to federation technology, transport through shields, fire weapons through shields, render themselves invulnerable to energy weapons, and easily disable shields of the most advanced federation warships. The Death Star was blown up by a disorganized group of rebels in second hand ships with conventional weapons. The Borg have the combined technology and intelligence of thousands of the most technologically advanced civilizations though out the galaxy.
@@RamseyDewey the borg technology cannot go through ANY species shields it has not encountered before. Plenty of examples in the Star Trek universe. The rebels were highly organized and managed a covert infiltration mission to obtain the Death Star plans. Unorganized dissidents cannot carry out such action. And in reality the Death Star was destroyed by a very force sensitive individual using a metaphysical power to hit the target. Without that it would not have been destroyed as more experienced non force sensitive pilots (red leader) were unable to hit the target.
I know it's a 6-year-old comment, but I don't care... The drones don't have to fight against the Enterprise's poorly trained crew of a few dozen people, but against 60,000 highly trained soldiers... Yes, they adapt to the weapons BUT they are nothing against melee weapons and im pretty sure even if their shields adapt to all weapon in the station if 10 stormtrooper Fires simultaneously the drone shield would brake. They can beam max 1000 drone before the DS vaporize the Cube. And the Cube's shield will never be able to adapt to the death star's super laser because it's simply so powerful that if it shot it into a star it would destroy the star in two shots if not one. You overestimate the Borg, and give them a divine quality, and they are just a hive-like race using a special fighting method, nothing more, thousands of similar races have been exterminated in the SW
The Death Stars primary weapon is meant for destroying large objects like planets but not so much for targeting fast moving ships. Even a Borg Cube is highly maneuverable and would simply stay out of the super lasers way. The Death star is too clumsy to match the Borg Cube movement. Borg are essentially a fast adapting 'species' (although they are technically half machine/half humanoid). After a few hits from those turbo lasers they would have adapted to those weapons rendering all those turbo lasers ineffective. The 10,000 tie fighters would meet the same faith. Yes, they can shoot at the cube, but probably with the same kind of weapons, to which the Borg easily can adapt. Now remember when the Borg first came into contact with the Enterprise D, they easily managed to beam one drone through the Enterprise shields. Since the Death Star has barely any shields it would be easy for the cube to beam over a few hundred drones which then will assimilate the entire Death Star crew. End result : The Borg wins.
alas, we are overlooking the huge advantage the borg have. a transporter. borg sends over thousands of drones to fck up the death star and it's over. blasters won't stop them and they take control of the death star. let's do this matchup again.
Pretty much. Death Star's main gun can 1 shot the cube but can it charge and aim fast enough to do so before a few thousand Borg beam over to key sections of the Death Star and assymilate the systems/crew needed to do so.
@@nowthatsjustducky That was exactly what happened in the Star Trek Movie First Contact. The Cube got destroyed and then the Borg beamed over and gradually assimilated the ship and crew. On another note, there is no teleportation / transporter tech in Star Wars, all any Federation or Star Trek ship has to do is beam over a photon torpedo, bye bye any star wars vessel.
@@yahozak Minor point. Transporters can be blocked by either shielding, or extremely high thicknesses of highly dense material. To beam aboard the DS-1, you would have to get past both of those, meaning the best case scenario would require you to disable the shields and then beam into one of the hanger bays.
Were you comparing the standard Borg cube to the Death Star? The Borg have a Tactical Cube which is more heavily armored and has more powerful weapons than the standard cube. I'd love to see how a tactical cube stands up against the death Star.
I agree with your prediction that the Death Star would defeat the Borg cube. BUT, I believe the Borg would win in the end! How? Before their cube is destroyed I'm sure that the Borg would have transported some of their crew on board the Death Star. Once on board, it would take the Imperial crew some time to realise what has happened (evidence - see Star Trek: First Contact). By the time the Imperial crew would realise that the Borg had boarded, it would be too late. The Death Star would be assimilated and the Borg would win, be it at the cost of their cube.
Borg can't win in any case scenario because Empire is not stupid as federation and moment they would see cube with their "resistance is futile" crap, imperial ships would blow borg into dust because imperial ships are made for destroying while star trek ships are mostly science oriented and even warlike races like klingons are dwarf compared to ships of empire
The Borg would locate the exhaust port with a handful of scan and then blow it up. Or just beam thousands of drones on board, then the Cube itself doesn't matter. Star Wars hand weapons aren't reconfigurable like Trek phasers. A couple of volleys from Stormtroopers and every drone would be immune to personal weapons fire. That ends poorly for the Empire.
thetruerift except that the Borg cannot adapt to projectile weapons which are readily available in the star wars universe. You can't possibly think the empire wouldn't realize that.
@d4rk0v3 actually even if they did do that you have to get through a stormtrooper crew of 30'984 who were heavily trained in martial arts. plus ya know they can always bash the borg on the head with a random mouse droid
Old vid but a fun one. This sounds like the following scenario. You (the DS) are inside a tank. Powerful armored but relatively slow turning speed on the big gun(PLANET KILLER). A sparrow(BORG) is going trying to land on you and when it does infects you with super syphilis(assimilation). If the sparrow does get to contact its game over. It needs to avoid the big gun like going around flying past and turning around etc. The tanks smaller weapons are based on volume but the sparrow learns after the first couple. Can't see how you don't get the pox in this case...
The super laser is a non threat. In star trek detecting weapons lock and power up is simple. The Borg would be already moving well out of the way as soon as they detect the ridiculous amounts of energy involve in the planet buster powering up.
Knowing it was coming didnt save the mon cala cruiser in rotj. Plus, they would only be going for a single reactor, not planet busting. Enough to one shot any ship, but only enough to blow up like a continent.
Borg ships can also move at high relativistic speeds. There is no evidence that Star Wars ships have this capability outside of Legends, and absolutely no evidence that their weapons can track at this speed. Besides, the Cube is irrelevant, they can beam all 3,000 drones aboard the Death Star and start assimilating people, then assimilate the Death Star, and go around with a vastly improved super-Sphere, with better shielding, better sensors, transwarp drive (meaning it isn't bound by Hyperlanes,) it can bypass blockades, and beam a few hundred thousand drones down to Rodia, or Naboo, or go right to Coruscant and start assimilating the galaxy's most populous planet.
@@willemboele2079 No way could the Death Star rotate fast enough to hit a Borg cube. The death Star's main weapon is useless against a much smaller ship like a Borg Cube.
Assuming, of course, it enters the fight out of the death stars firing arc, and it figures out the death star had a massive superlazer pointed at it before the death star fires, considering neither have any idea what the other has in store, only that it's a full on battle to the death.
One aspect of the argument which I don't think you've considered: when Starfleet overwhelmed the Borg Cube with numbers, they added variableness to their attack and defences: random frequencies of energy blasts, and same with shields. The Empire would be unaware of this strategy, and after being hit by numerous fighters, bombers, and being held in place by the Death Stars tractor beam for some time, the Borg would have adapted. After adapting, the Borg would send a scout team aboard the Death Star to begin assimilating crew. Again, a number of drones would likely be taken out by handheld blasters, but they would assimilate to that, and blasters would no longer be effective. The Death Star command staff hears reports about the fight suddenly being ineffective, and that there is an invasion force aboard. He orders to fire the main weapon on the alien craft and calls back their TIE forces, while sending more numbers to fend off the invaders. The Borg detect that the TIEs retreat while drones aboard the Death Star encounter greater resistance. Then they detect the Death Star changing course to aim its large dish at the Cube, and detect energy aboard the Death Star building up in that area. Not having encountered this particular weapon before, but knowing basic military strategy, logic, and weaponry, they quickly figure out that something big and nasty would happen if that weapon should fire. They beam drones aboard the Death Star in those areas to investigate. These drones quickly overwhelm the firing crews and begin to interface with the consoles, shutting down the firing mechanisms.
You are aware ion weaponry is specifically designed to counter these types of opponents, right? The stormtroopers, thinking they're just weird droids/sentient hybrids, would set their weapons to either stun or ion. You can't adapt to a weapon designed to shut down your systems and all main weaponry in SW uses ion explosions on impact. Even if they find a way, setting the weapons to simply stun would shut down the sentient parts. A single ion rocket would not only shut down the borg cubes temporarily, but also allow the sentient parts to start fighting back against their slavers. Absolute chaos would erupt amongst the borg trying to figure out how it's happening and how to reestablish control over their fleshy bits. The stormtroopers would just do what they do best, mop up. Also, you can't board if you don't know the frequency. And the standard accuracy amongst the Empire is 77%, no less. Also, it would take the borg a while to realize how the DS works, having never seen one before, or have we forgotten how many borg died to Species 8472 before finally realizing what they were doing wrong? Borg think one strategy works and never adapt their strategies unless a flat-out another army shows up to save the day. They tend to move in lines, like a turkey shoot, unless they see reason otherwise. Tends to take a while to realize just how varied the Empire can be at a given moment. Remember, no plot armor for either side.
You got it completely wrong. The single most devastating weapon on a Borg cube is it's Nantes. By sending drones to the Death Star they can assimilate with near zero effective resistance. They are also far more maneuverable than the Death Star and can just keep the cube on a side with no Death Star planet laser. They don't even need to stay in the same system to still win. The battle would be over with the Death Star assimilated. Time for assimilation is irrelevant. Resistance is futile.
You neglected one major factor that works in the Borg's favor. The Borg can teleport their drones on board instantly and miles away. This is a technology that doesn't even exist in Star Wars, meaning they likely would have no defense to it. I agree the Borg Cube as far as the ship goes would likely be destroyed by the station's defense before they could overcome them, but without a Sith presence to counter the Borg boarding parties, I think they would eventually assimilate the entire station. And THAT is a terrifying thought indeed. O.o Because then resistance will truly be futile. One other scenario that occurs to me. You are right about all those turbo lasers the Death Star has but everybody seems to forget those are spread across the entire surface!! It's a huge station, not all of it's defense systems can fire on the same target at the same time, and the closer you get to it the less lasers can target you. If the Cube could get close enough it could theoretically destroy the turbo lasers on that section of the Station's surface and keep their orbit synchronized to the turning of the station, keeping the Cube over that cleared section. Then all it has to worry about are the Tie-Fighters which would do some initial damage, certainly, but they would adapt. That leaves the question, could a thousand Tie-Fighters chop through a Borg Cube before the drones assimilated the entire station? And if a Borg assimilates a Stormtrooper, do they all take a hit to their accuracy? Food for thought.
"but without a Sith presence to counter the Borg boarding parties, I think they would eventually assimilate the entire station." - What would any Sith be able to do against 10,000 Drones? Or a 1,000,000? Because, based on on-screen Canon, there is no doubts at all that the Borg Queen would sacrifice the entire Collective to get her hands on one Jedi or Sith. What's the loss of 10,000,000 Drones for the chance to assimilate Darth Vader?
Now that would be scary indeed - Borg Vader. O.O I only brought them up as a possible counter as some force users are insanely powerful, some may even say impossibly so. While I think the Borg could adapt to Lightsabers, eventually, they never would be able to against the Force it's too ethereal and unpredictable. But even Vader has his limits and would tire eventually, given enough drones even the best force user would eventually succumb. And that begs the question, could Vader defeat an entire Cube's worth of drones?
"And that begs the question, could Vader defeat an entire Cube's worth of drones?" - Maybe? But how about 10 Cube's worth? Or 50? Or 500? Or the entire complement of Drones of 10,000 Cubes, attacking him simultaneously? That is the thing about the Borg that non-Star Trek fans don't understand - The Borg have no issues with sacrificing 99.999999999% of the Collective to achieve their goal. It takes only the Borg Queen to rebuild, the rest are expendable.
Sure... the first Cube most likely would be destroyed... But, the Borg Collective is almost always in contact with all parts - so the rest of the Collective, and the Borg Queen, would know instantly what had happened. But it wouldn't have the effect that the Empire hoped. Instead of being cowered, or intimidated, the destruction of one Cube would indicate to the Collective that they are facing an enemy that has technology that can be used to "enhance" the Borg, so they would send more Cubes to attack and assimilate whatever technology the Empire has. And if, by chance, Darth Vader had been involved, and used his "Force" powers in the battle, that would have the effect of hanging a giant "PRIME TARGET" on his back. The Borg Queen would want him assimilated, at any cost.
The scenario I see, is the Death Star rapidly dispatching the Borg cube, then they celebrate, maybe pour through the wreckage to see what they were up against. Then Stormtroopers start going missing. By the time the Imperials realize that there is a Borg nest around their reactor, it may be too late. Thousands of stormtroopers and crew might have been assimilated, before they realize what's happening. Star wars blasters are likely not as powerful as Star Trek phasers. The only weapon of comparable power would be that disintegration rifle used by some bounty hunters like Boba Fett (referenced but not shown) and the Mandalorian. The Borg would likely adapt easily to Imperial blasters, I don't think the Imperials would have the mindset to figure out what's happening, and to adjust the the modulations of their weapons, for a while. This means many more Stormtroopers would get assimilated, before the Imperials wise up. If they can't get a Sith Lord to the Death Star, very fast, The Death Star would likely be completely assimilated, unless the crew order it's self destruction. For the Empire and the Galaxy as a whole, a whole new bucket of bad. How bad may be determined by whether Borgified force users can still use the force, provide force use to the entire collective, or if not, whether that can be imparted to the Borg queen, or higher ranking Borg. Even if Borg can't use the force, the ex Death Star, now turned to a giant Borg sphere would be extremely dangerous and would be a huge threat, not only the Empire, but the Rebel Alliance, and everyone else in the galaxy. And of course, if they relay the information back to the Borg in Star Trek's galaxy, things get even worse, here.
@@pablogr6960 Yo! The "small cube" is nearly twice as long as an imperial destroyer and has the volume of dozens of them, with 130.000 drones onboard...
@@melchiorvonsternberg844 of course dont get me wrong, the cube is huge, its just that compared with things like a planet like alderaan its not that big
@@pablogr6960 Okay... But do we really want to compare planets, or moons, to spaceships? Or does the crew of the Death Star think in categories more like fortress troops would? Btw... Alderaan is stolen from Aldebaran, the brightest star in the constellation of Taurus, 67 light-years from us. Not particularly creative, like almost everything at SW...
LORD PANCAKE Borg drones don't just simply start attacking. Most would end up hiding while taking over computer systems with their nanites to gain as much information as possible, and even if the Borg Cube were somehow destroyed, the remaining drones would have enough knowledge to adapt to the troopers' weaponry and effectively assimilate the entire Death Star.
Star Wars weapons are actually plasma based and not laser based and as another of these sites already alluded, they wouldn't be able to adapt to them because they don't operate on a "frequency". Also the megaton damage of Star Wars weapons has been shown in their respective encyclopedias to have a MUCH greater yield than Star Trek weapons. Blaster Cannons have a higher energy output than photon torpedoes. Also everyone assumes the Borg just transport over to the Death Star and assimilate it immediately. You don't think the VASTLY superior number of troops on the Death Star can easily overwhelm them? Not to mention freakin' Darth Vader is on board the Death Star. Have fun assimilating the Force and Lightsabers.
I agree. R2 was able to access imperial systems at nearly any given terminal. R2 was even able to access door controls, deck plans, and details of tractor beam schematics. A single Borg Drone would be able to easily move between Decks and avoid Storm Trooper search parties much like Luke and Han did.
*Posted before watching* Personal opinion: The death star blows up the cube... and gets assimilated as the scout drones the cube beamed over start slowly taking over the ship, First Contact style.
Ari Schwartz But the DS 1 was incapable of turning to destroy a moving ship, as it was intended to destroy planets, not ships. The Federation Sensors have a range around 10 Light Years, if I recall correctly. Borg tech is equal or even superior to the Federation counterparts. They would quickly beam drones into the DS, and assimilate droids, personnel, shut off life support, rendering everyone not assimilated and not in a life support suit dead, and those in a suit would be likely assimilated. The Borg would learn the locations of Imperial Outposts, worlds, and weaknesses. And the Empire is..... Well...... Doomed, along with the Universe. All hail the Borg MegaSphere!!!!
There's also the extremely high likelihood that the Borg would have already encountered the Imperials BEFORE reaching the DS, so they would have already have assimilated Imperial technology & any relevant information. This would give them a much better chance of survival than the video gives them.
For as detailed as this video was, I'm shocked you didn't even mention transporters. Warp in, beam a few hundred quantum torpedoes into the Death Star, warp out. It would only take a few seconds. Or better yet, beam in drones instead of weapons. Come back in a few days and enjoy their brand new Borg Death Star.
You can fly a ship through those shields. And I doubt they are modulated to block a transporter beam. To put it simply, they are completely inconsquential. Not to mention it has been shown before that the borg are pretty adept at beaming through shields on occasion.
Star trek shields are significantly more broad than star wars shields. Things can fly through star wars shields. Star trek shields are solid. It is reasonable to believe that the shields in star wars are ineffective vs transporter technology. Especially borg transporter tech which could transport through federation shields somehow in Q who. Unless they didn't raise shields while they were being boarded.
But what is the max range of the Borg teleporters ? How many would have to teleported to assimilate the Death Star and how long would that take ? People think of firepower, not logistics.
@@EmpiricalPragmatist Here is the thing though. In Star Trek, the Enterprise had its shields up and the Borg were still able to teleport through them. BUT what this really comes down to is this. In Star Wars there is no "Teleport Technology" So would the Death Star's shields be effective at keeping the Borg from teleporting onto the Death Star? A "Fan Boy" answer would be "OF COURSE!!!" but there is really no way of knowing since these are two totally different shows with different technology. Since Teleporting does not exist in Star Wars, the Death Stars shields may not be configured to stop such a thing, if that is the case and the Borg teleport 1,000 Drones onto the Death Star at dozens of locations the drones would quickly adapt to the firing of the Storm Troopers (assuming any of the Storm Troops actually hit the drones (lol), once they adapt and their weapons no longer do damage to the drones what then? IF your reply is just going to be something like "Their Shields can block teleporting" then give "Logical" reasons as to why. Why would Star Wars Shields be able to stop teleporting when teleporting is not even a technology that exists in the Star Wars Universe.
@@EmpiricalPragmatist When the Enterprise D met the Borg the first time in the episode Q-Who, the Borg had no issues beaming through the Enterprise's shields. And those were Starfleet's shields, considered technologically superior to any kind of shields there exists in the Star Wars universe. Assimilating storm troopers will also be no issue, since the nanotubes can penetrate any alloy (as stated by Seven of Nine). And they can beam in from a pretty far distance, look at Star Trek First contact, the Sphere was destroyed, still the beamed several drones aboard the Enterprise E. The crew fought them, shot a few, but they adapted constantly to the weapons. So beaming 5,000 drones on board is no problem, staying away from that big laser is also no issue and those Starfighters do no possess enough firepower to damage the sphere. Also it has to be noted that for UNKNOWN reason in the episode Q-Who, the Borg decided to go hybernate in the middle of a battle. So their defenses were down and the Enterprise could shoot a few holes in the cube. Later on when they woke up their torpedo's had no effect. Sorry Star Wars fans, but despite the awesome size and firepower the Deathstar battleSTATION has it cannot be fast enough to target the cube, and once the drones are on board, everybody is doomed.
A few points: The borg had trouble adapting to species 8472 because they were unable to assimilate them due to their biology. With borg, once they assimilate you, you are screwed. A cube would be much smaller than the Death Star, so would it be able to aim it's laser quicker than the Cube could manoeuvre? I really can't see anyone in the Star Wars universe saying: "Admiral, they have adapted to our weapons. Shall we rotate weapon modulation?" Incidentally, this is how the Feds do so much damage to the Cube in the battle of Sector 001, not due to being overwhelmed. This was because Star Fleet's only weapon against the borg was guile and more importantly, the ability to change the frequency of their energy weapons. In the battle of Wolf 359, a Borg cube effortlessly destroyed 38(?) Federation STAR SHIPS (not little fighters) without being overwhelmed. I just don't think that the Tie fighters would have enough power to keep the pressure on the Borg. As for the turbo lasers on the DS, seems like they are point blank range. Kind of pointless actually. I don't know, not well illustrated in the movie. The borg wouldn't be able to do direct damage, though. I think when it comes down to it, IF the DS is able to hit with it's planet killer, the Empire would win. If the borg are able to assimilate anything or better, get drones on-board the DS, they would win. After all, in the unlikely event that any storm troopers were able to hit any drones, after a few shots the Borg would adapt and that would be that. If you had a sith lord on the DS, it might be a different story though, as Borg are useless against melee and of course against the force.
Disagree with the force comment as according to star wars the force is "an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together." So they might have a way to defend against it since energy is what they use for repairing their ship and injured borg (see voyager unity episode) which is an awful lot like the force just not as forceful, no pun intended. As for melee, it doesn't matter how good they are with melee, the borg are like zombies, take one out and 3 more show up. Even the best that have trained in melee can quite quickly be overwhelmed by sheer numbers alone. When that's taken into account with every thing else you said, even with a DS, the empire would be screwed...
I completely agree save for one point unless the Death Star is one built after the first destroyed one because of a design flaw. The Borg can scan and quickly see weaknesses. They would almost instantly know via the Star Trek level scan that dropping a single torpedo down that little port will blow it into radioactive dust.
actually if they did that, the explosion from the death star let out the same amount of force that the moon crashing into the earth would be. so then they both become radioactive space dust and it will be a tie
I personally would like to add my two cents to the fight and a couple of details you overlooked. One the Torpedoes that were used to destroy the borg cubes during the the final Voyager episode came from the future from a far more advanced Federation. 2nd it's true that the fleet at sector 0 0 1 completely demolished that borg Cube however you have to remember Picard had a strong link to the collective still. and was able to pinpoint the cube's weakness and destroy it within a matter of seconds. Had nothing to do with their sheer firepower. Now when it comes to fire superiority yes the Death Star could destroy the borg Cube in one-hit assuming of course it can catch it. I don't believe the death-stars tractor beams would be much effective against a borg cube maybe for a couple minutes but not long enough for the Death Star too faced the cube directly. Eventually their Shields would modulate to escape the tractor beam. even if the Death Star did have enough time to destroy the ship I think it's important to note that they would likely transport all of their drums on the Death Star. Generally the borg have between 60,000 to 120,000 drones. and the Death Star only has a personnel around 600,000 and 100000 of them are stormtroopers. Personally I don't believe the firepower of the Tie fighters nor the turrets on the Death Star surface would do any damage to the cube. I know you said you don't want to get into fire power when it comes to different franchises but in reality the firepower and shielding's in Star Trek are far more Superior. Even if they were effective I don't believe it would last very long. And we also have to keep in mind that the Borg Cube are very maneuverable in combat, they're really not as slow as you claim they are and they have deadly weapons, specially for tactical cubes. They also have transport capabilities. And scanning capabilities. Eventually the death star's weakness would be discovered real fast. In truth the real Victor of this battle is the Borg. Lastly it's true each of the individual drones do not have any sense of independency however the say that they're mindless is kind of a false statement. because they are a collective consciousness of many individuals and they can coordinate and they are very smart. I wouldn't lowball them like that
i think you are right about ship vs ship here, but i think its also very likely some borg would transport onto the deathstar and would very quickly assimilate the entire crew. even a single borg would be almost certain victory. the borg wont care that their cube was destroyed, they will eventually possess the deathstar itself.
that would translate to a million new drones lol the deathstar would not be able to lock the super laser on the cube the borg would detect the laughably long firing sequence and just move out of the way they only need to move a few inches if the deathstar is the size of a small moon
MTG Degree okej. 1. Agh. You trekies. Star wars is better in every way. Deal with it. 2. A MILLION??? Million"S" 3. Move a bit?? The Borg know jackshit about the supet laser. They wont just move out of the way. 4. They must get into "Transporter range" they wont in time. Why?? The Empire will know that borg are hostile. The borg might enter the galaxy from the unknown regions or outer rim. Whatever the case, The Death Star will not be the first contact. 5. The death star is just too powerful. The cubes are just spaceships but The Death Star is a Spase STATION. It didn't just got the name. It literally is a death star. It can destroy the cube with the lowest setting. 6. Oh and if borg "beam" ( so dum) abord they will all be killed. How? Well from what I have seem in star trek, they adapt to " frequencies" not fire power. From what i have seen i think i can kill as many borgs as i want with a hmg and they wont adapt to it. Same here. There is no Frequency talk for guns. No lasers, no proton torpedoes. Non of that nonsense. So lets say at most 100 borgs vs millions of beings who have armour greater than anything they have seen. With weapons they can't adapt to. Let us say if Vader was there too. If he was there not even a 1000 borgs could have won. Let us also add the most powerful sith lord of history, no not bane. Im talking about Darth Sidious, but we all know sheev won't be there but anyway!! Lets just say Anny is in the station. The cube is destroyed with the lowest setting. At most there are 100 borgs beamed aboard the station but i think thats rare cuz before they just beamed 2 at most or 10 maybe ANYWAY! There is 100 borgs vs millions of HEAVY armoured and armed beings. In white AND One guy in black. Not to mention the guy in black has the force. Something the borgs will never understand and will never adapt to. Why? The borgs are not organic. From what i have seen.
the borg will adapt resistance is futile, and if were getting crazy adding dead sith then the borg queen and a million cubes will drop out of transwarp on the back side of the deathstar where the laser cant get them lol then beam 10 million drones in and assimilate the deathstar in about 47 seconds
So... The DS2 have energy shield which is literally makes beaming impossible and also the death star have a massive thick armor I mean at least 10 kilometer wide
@kristof.demeter It depends on the type of shield they are running. Not all shields are the same. Some protect against projectiles, and others protect against particle beam weapons.
i would say a better comparison would be the Death STar and the Borg Tactical Cube since both are the the top ships of both parties. The Cube would be compared to the Star Destroyer since both ships are the main bodys of the respective fleets
That's because the Borg don't need giant moon sized vessels to destroy planets. In Scorpion part 2, it's clearly stated that the Borg have the capacity to build bombs capable of destroying solar systems in one go.
I know just about everyone already thought or posted something to this effect: Upon encountering the Death Star, the Borg would immediately realize the necessity of assimilating its crew, technology and military power. No need to consult the queen to draw that conclusion. Battling the Death Star is irrelevant as well as futile.
You vastly underestimated the cube's maneuverability compared to the death star. As long as it stayed out of its small firing ranger it could take it over through other means.
Borg cube has warp capability. It could warp in @ close range, and collide with the death star at a manageable speed embedding itself into the Death star. The drones would quickly assimilate the death star. Maybe not upon first encounter, but definitely after.
If there were multiple Borg Cubes, the Borg would eventually adapt and be able to successfully defend against the Death Star. It was like this with Transphasic Torpedoes, too. The Federation wanted only a small number of ships to carry Transphasic Torpedoes, because they knew the Borg would eventually adapt if exposed to the weapon too much. It's also important to remember the Borg did successfully defeat Species 8472 after the Federation improved the Borg nanotechnology in a way that made it so the Borg nanotechnology could overpower the immune system of Species 8472.
This scenario debatable since the Borg adapt to the same frequency of the energy that they are being hit with and from my guess it takes the energy that is being absorbed into it and is eventually able to displace it. Where a regular shield would be damaged. However I also think that if it is being hit with overwhelming power it would overload the Cubes that have adapted giving it too much power to cycle through its power system. I am just giving my logical guess as to how the Borg eventually take no damage due to frequency modulations. I think the Death Star could blow up a cube no matter how many times the Borg have dealt with it. Their solution is to build a Mega Cube with a power sources that can handle such and immense charge. If they are capable of building something like that then they could win, but who knows.
The Borg adaptability has limits. They might shrug off turbolasers, but even if a cube adapts to the Death Star's superlaser, it would probably be for naught. Remember, species 8372 had a weapon very similar to the Death Star's superlaser. It just overwhelmed the Borg's shields. A doomsday machine would probably work very similarly.
Yeah that's complete nonsense. If you can say that, then Palpatine would reach would with the Force from across the galaxy and crush the Borg Queen into small cube. The "adapt" thing is just stupid, even in a science fiction setting.
Christobanistan Pathetic rationalization. And Wars isn't SciFi. its science fantasy. Beaming is far more ridiculous and silly than the force. Interstellar civilization in Wars has been around for over 10 thousand years so by your logic that would make the empire vastly more advanced than the federation or your precious Borg.
borg: "Hmm.. We haven't encountered these guys before, but let's assume that huge weapon-looking thing on the death star is bad, and let's not fly in front of it."
I imagined many of these tactical Borg having formerly served in Starfleet, Klingon, Romulan, Cardassian, Hirogen, Breen & other military services! That immense collective tactical database confronted by a new ship with a single major weapon. Yeah, the video really messed up by not understanding where drones come from!!
Ez Valentine That's what I was thinking. The Borg would eventually successfully beam a drone inside and tap into a computer and get that information. BTW the Deathstar had more fire power than Luke's ship. Did that help it? Drop the mic.
So you're comparing a plot armored hero to the thing he was fighting? I recommend you shove that mic back down your throat, because that's lazy beyond all reason
borg are like a virus, once is starts, it doesn't take long to overtake... one becomes two, two becomes four, four becomes eight... and so on... in a matter of hours they would have taken over half the star
I agree that the Death star wins most of the time due to the superlaser, but if it misses or isn't charged and the borg manage to board with more than a couple drones the Borg will win. NOT by destroying the death star, but assimilating it.
At 2:48 You say the borg cube was 3000 km wide. Which version are you referring too? most Borg cubes were just 3 Kilometers wide high and long according to most sources I have seen.
I suspect the Death Star would win first time round but the the Borg would likely win battles after that because of the adaptability, also the Borg could easily transport 10,000 Borg over to the Death Star creating chaos and with how quickly the Borg shields adapt to weapon fire, they would be able to do a lot of damage and learn a lot of the weaknesses of the Death Star. So even though the Death Star would likely win the first battle, I think the Borg would adapt quickly and win most if not all the rest of the battles, we are also talking one Borg cube and a standard borg cube at that, the Borg have more powerful and bigger ones plus a lot more of them.
Paul, the Borg sensors would undoubtedly alert them to the danger posed by the super laser. Whether or not they could evade it long term is debatable but irrelevant as soon as there was an imminent threat to the Cube the Sphere would launch and begin assimilating the DS. They could beam a pilot aboard for assimilation to learn about Imperial tech then send a few dozen drones onto the DS. The assimilation would likely take weeks assuming the Empire didn't self destruct the Death Star but eventually most of the crew would be drones.
Not saying your wrong here but I think you are forgetting a few advantages the borg would have over the Death Star 1) The Borg's hive mind or possible Queen's leadership. 2) The cubes high powered and long range sensors giving (at least a small chance) the Borg the ability to find the flaws in the Death Star before engaging and making them fully aware of the Death Star's primary weapon's possible capabilities . 3) and possibly the most powerful advantage of the Borg have over the Death Star. The Borg have long range transporter technology. With such a large target and long range, it would not be that hard to transport scouts (as in Q who) only in several locations on the surface from long distance (not needing to breath) or inside the Death Star in a strafing run. Worse comes to worse, they pull a 'First Contact' and transport, assimilate, sabotage, and destroy from with in before the engagement truly begins. Just a thought.
Raven - Visyual Encyclopedias for BOTH franchises are your friend... YOU ARE WRONG! 1) Hive Mind Borg Queen - Not an Advantage against a foe they have never encountered! Also Star Trek has flawed Science... Sorry but much as I am a fan, The idea that somehow teh Hive mind works faster than any thing else is fundamentally flawed and proven wrong by Science!!! 2) The Cubes High Powered and Long Range Sensors - VASTLY OUTMATCHED by those on the Death Star (CANON! Visual Encyclopedias for BOTH... The Borg are LESS able than the Death Star... Sorry but its facts!) And 3) Long Range Transporter Technology - Ummmmmmm... Star Trek itself has pointed this out... UNLESS the Borg can accurately Scan the death star... They are going to transport drones into solid METAL! So the first Contact Scenario... Possible but not as easy as you think! BUT - There IS an advantage the Borg do have and EVERYONE has IGNORED IT!!! I normally avoid these videos as - Like I said, I love BOTH franchises... But every time one of these videos appears - its all the Trekkie Fan Boys screaming YOU ARE WRONG! TREK IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER! Yeah, well if Trek is so good - How come it makes serious Science Mistakes ... It would be forgivable in star wars as thats Science FANTASY... (In other words its bollocks The Bible rewritten as a Space Opera!!!) but Trek is SCIENCE FICTION... It relies on Scientific Facts to make it Believable!!! Like I said, I love em both... But as such I will also call them both out where they get it wrong!
There is one fatal flaw in your argument... "UNLESS the Borg can accurately Scan the death star... They are going to transport drones into solid METAL!" - Which the Borg would do instantly, regardless the number of Drones lost, if it meant *ONE* Drone makes it through to start the assimilation process. So, 500 Drones transport... odds are at least one of those Drones will not materialize inside a wall, and once that single Drone arrives the Borg Cube will have good coordinates for the following waves of Drones to transport.
Death star is strategically faster than any star trek ship, being hypercapable. It also has much longer sensor range. it also has FIGHTERS and does not allow unknowns near it, unless it matches those found running from a particular spaceport. I don't see the threat that the borg can do that an assault team with thermal detonators would not also cause. Star trek shows the borg to be completely incompetent, how could they win?
the borg had teleport technology all they had to do was transfer some borgs onto the deathstar and hey presto they would start assimalting the death star
Transporters don't go through shields and can't go through thick solid matter. DS is shielded and has armor hundreds of feet tick. No go for transporters. Sorry.
Shh, yeah but we aren’t discussing about infantry fight genuis, we are talking about ship vs ship, teleporting and anything else to do with infantry doesn’t count
My thoughts: 1. The first Death Star can't aim fast enough to target normal battleships (This is an improvement of the second Death Star). 2. The Borg wouldn't destroy the Death Star, they would just beam some Drones done in an unprotected area and assimilate the whole station with the Nanodrones. The Cube would have serious trubels staying alive, but it shows near Indestructability when fighting against an enemy it has adepted to. 3. Also only a few hundred Turbolasers could attack the cube at a time, simply because there are always some on the other side. I don't think the Turbolasers shown in the Starwars movies are able to deal any serious damage before the cube adepts
the sexy pick is obviously the death star however the realistic pick is the cube. the assumption made in the video is that the death star is fully charged and somehow the borg cube is facing it rather than on the opposite side of the station in which it's forced to turn around to get a shot off. Using Star Trek episode Best of Both Worlds Part 2, you see the Borg one shotting Federation defense fighters without missing a beat. We can probably assume that most tie fighters would get swatted in no time. In addition, another major point was omitted in the video - the tie fighters would be launched from the station first and engage the borg. Just from that engagement alone, the Borg would have had an opportunity to adapt to the Imperial Weapon Fire and nullify it. You could make the argument that Tie Fighter/ship weaponry would be similar in technology to what the Death Star uses. Another point to consider is that a weapon does not need to be fired on the borg for it to adapt to it - case in point, Best of Both Worlds Part 2 when the Borg ship just brushed off the Enterprise main disruptor beam. Now, if we go exactly what the video is portraying, Borg ship arrives (facing death star), death star launches fighters, powers up, fighters engage, death star fires, blows up main ship, smaller circle borg cube launches and lands on Death Star. Then we have a Borg Death Star. And another thing to consider, how many borg drones would be needed to land on the Death Star before it caused trouble? One? Two? Thousands wouldn't be needed. All it would take is for one drone to adapt and there's nothing the imperial army can do to stop it.
death star is pretty friggin big - and once they have access to the station, it's pretty much over. And we haven't even talked about the drones taking Imperial Troopers and converting them into even more drones (which is seen in Star Trek First Contact)
Well in that case it would depend on how many drones the cube got onto it....because if they somehow manage to assimilate a force user....the multiverse is screwed.
how exactly are a handful of drones meant to take over a whole deathstar? even if a sphere were to beam over it's whole compliment (unlikely seeing as the borg have never demonstrated the ability to transport anything like that number so we're talking a few dozen at most before the sphere is obliterated) it took them ages to overwhelm the crew of the enterprise E and starfleet infantry are a joke, what chance do they stand against a proper military with a wider array of weapons? it's been demonstrated that borg "adaptation" isn't foolproof and can be overwhelmed with enough firepower, sure a couple troopers might have a problem but a whole squad filling a corridor with blaster fire and grenades (not to mention any support weapons like e-webbs and missile launchers) the borg don't stand a chance especially without much ranged support and moving like molasses there's far more troopers on the death star than borg, assimilating troopers won't help if the empire doesn't relent long enough to convert them to drones (assuming the other troopers don't simply shoot the "infected" ones immediately)
Chris Zilli I feel like the Death Star would win. It can travel through hyperspace which is much faster than warping, because it is a different dimension with a different scale. And a single core ignition could easily destroy something the size of the borg cube as we saw in Rogue One. So a little more power and it would probably punch through any shields.
Even in the early days of Kerk's Enterprise, they were able to go up against ships with the firepower to destroy a planet. (The space ice cream cone of death.) By the Next Generation, they had torpedoes that would destroy a star. Additionally, I don't think the Death Star could turn as quickly as a cube could maneuver. The cube would just get behind the Death Star and hack away at it. One additional thing, it was cannon in the Star Trek universe that lasers were completely ineffective against Federation shields. Even the navigational shields they used to protect against random space junk could stop lasers. I suspect that Kerk's TOS ship would have a very hard fight against the Death Star. By TNG, two cadets could take it out with a shuttle.
Best way to win as the cube: get lucky enough to appear somewhere other than within the death star's firing arc. Then approach with full speed and defense up, and adapt to the turbolasers so that it can last long enough to ram the death star and board it. Or, if Star Wars shields don't block teleport, then just send everyone aboard (including any non-drones they may or may not have, though I don't seem to recall borg using small vehicles much) as soon as you get a transport lock and let the borg cube's control AI just fuddle around being a nuisance for as long as it can while the drones and whatever else gets teleported aboard generally just becomes a nightmare for everyone aboard the soon to be Borg Death Sphere. Though it honestly would not surprise me if they didn't just outright dismantle the superlaser and use its components (namely, the rare parts like those khyber crystals) to make a bunch of smaller, weaker superlasers that they have pointing all over the place so that it can shoot capital ship one-shotting beams in ALL directions. Destroying planets is stupid after all. Can't assimilate what we blow up. Better to just be able to shoot everywhere, and to be able to do so at variable power levels so we can figure out just what % of the total weapon's power we need to just blow up enough of a ship to capture and examine the rest. Also, who left this stupid straight reactor exhaust port leading all the way to the surface all nice and exposed at the end of a trench?! Or was that their failsafe in case someone ever captured their shiny sphere and they needed to destroy it? Well tough beans. We fixed it.
Death Star is shielded so is virtually invulnerable to transporting over. Frankly short of another Death Star taking on said Death Star, it is virtually impossible to imagine anything that would to quote a certain Admiral, "repel firepower of that magnitude", ever being able to take on the Death Star by sheer force. The only tactic appears to be exploiting the weakness of taking out the central reactor, assuming one can get to it in a small ship, and utilising distractions etc. The Borg, or anyone else, be it Starfleet, the Imperial Fleet, the Rebel Scum etc, cannot simply turn up and expect the Death Star to also not start firing on them. It has defence turrets across its surface as well. But the super laser is going to be a massive issue since anything it strikes will be incinerated. I would love to see the Independence Day aliens come back in a sequel and the mothership is just wiped out in one shot by the Humans who have built a Death Star (I think the laser should be enough firepower to get through the damn shields that seemed strong in Resurgence). The Borg could in theory assimilate the Rebels, and adapt their tactics. They roll up to the Death Star in an assimilated captured Star Destroyer, transmit security clearance, and get close enough to ram perhaps. The thing is you'd probably need several Cubes to ram the Death Star to be able to board it. Of course, the Borg don't care about casualties, so it's possible, but would require an overwhelming amount of resources. Only way Starfleet could probably defeat the Death Star is by using a Phased Cloak on an Enterprise like ship to get into the middle, materialise and then "let's blow this thing and go home!"
@@darkjediknight2923 Very nicely recognized! However, you wouldn't use a ship there, but an anti-matter guided missile that would rush into the DS, materialize and then immediately detonate. They wouldn't notice anything and would practically die in their "sleep"...
I think we both know the way this would end. No Rebel Intel means that the port isn't known about, meaning that it's an Imperial Win. If the port IS known about, it will play out the same way as A New Hope.
But that's entirely dependent on the factors of how many x wings there are. If only one. like in x wing vs death star... well... And if the pilot was manned by a capable force wielder. or a really really skilled pilot
+LaurenTyler not really. If the x wing pilot is not a force user than he wouldn't be able to make the shot. Those targeting computers are really crappy. Hell a singe x wing wouldn't even get close enough to take the shot. It took an incredible set of circumstances to defeat the first death star.
Good point. I forgot completely about the Space Magic BS. Okay, Even if they had the Intel, unless it was the insane luck of A New Hope, it would be most likely still be an Imperial Win.
It's not that the targeting computers were crappy, it's that the Death Star was jamming them with the result that their targeting computers couldn't actually see the target. The X-wings were probably targeting a known coordinate using their navigation system rather than aiming at the exhaust port itself. Before the attack runs: Red Five: "My scope's negative. I don't see anything." Red Leader: "Keep up your visual scanning. With all this jamming, they'll be on top of you before your scope can pick them up." First X-wing attack-run: Red Ten: "We should be able to see it by now." Red Leader: Red Ten: "There's too much interference!" Second X-wing attack-run: Red Two: "My scope shows the tower, but I can't see the exhaust port! Are you sure the computer can hit it?" Interestingly earlier the Y-wings indicated that they could see the target with their sensors, which suggests either that the Death Star increased their jamming in that sector when they realised what the Rebels were up to or that the Y-wings have better targeting sensors that the X-wings. Shame they never got the chance to shoot. Gold Leader: "The exhaust post is... ...marked and locked in!" later, Gold Leader: "Switching to targeting computer." Gold Two: "Computer's locked. Getting a signal."
Good luck with that 60.000 highly trained soldier they are not some random crew in the Enterprise... If still they adapt to every weapon in the DS if 10 stormtrooper starts shooting in the same time the drones shield would go down. And they maybe can Beam 1000 drones and nothing more
I know this is an old video, but the point I would like to make is, after the Borg have made their initial scan of the Death Star, all they have to do is use the destruction of the cube as a destraction while they beam themselves on board and then it will be over. Even if it was possible, the Death Star would be too much of a prize for the Borg to want to destroy.
The Borg have assimilated thousands of star systems and species, I highly doubt anything the Empire has is new to them. The cube can have 78% destroyed and keep going, repairing itself on the move.The Borg have been shown easily transporting drones through every kind of shield. They also have long range missiles that where capable of destroying Federation ships with ease when they crossed Mars orbit. The scene you show of the Federation doing heavy damage to a cube happened after many years of specific development and research, even then if it wasn't for Jean Lucs knowledge from when he was assimilated, they never would have won. The Death star has NONE of that going for it. Unless the Borg cube arrives right after the Deathstar has spent hours charging up it's main weapon and by chance happened to be right in the path of the weapon AND if the Borg hadn't already encountered said weapon in one of the thousands of other civilizations it had already kicked ass of and had defences against it, the Deathstar might stand a small chance of winning.
Epic mismatch. Borg cube moves at 1/4 light speed at impulse. The weapons on the death star would not even be able to hit it even once. The Borg are not going to park in front of a super laser. They will know it is there, and know when it is charging. They have sensors that make star wars sensors look like binoculars compared to radar.
Just some musings. You're omitting a borg primary tactic, in that they would beam aboard the DS and begin assimilating the crew instantly. Also, the cube is not slow or in agile in any means. It's Canonically faster than any Federation vessel.
I cant think of a situation where the super laser would come into play. The planet killer of species 8472 was based around small ships and could likely be used on small targets like a borg cube where as the superlaser has no real capacity to aim at anything smaller than like...a landmass. Its fairly unlikely it could hit the cube with that. On top of that 10s of thousands of drones teleporting onto the death star would be game over for the death star in a few hours. The borg woudnt even really need to fight for the cube. Just teleport en mass to the death star and end the battle right there. Soon they would a borg modified death star. Hell assimilating the stormtroopers would only be borderline necessary. Just assimilate the droids and the station itself. game over. Either way though they arent in the same weight class. The Borg cube is not the military flagship of the borg collective, that would be the Tactical cube which is bigger, better armored, better shielded, and would have more tactical drones. Which would have not much of a problem taking down a star wars ship. Not because one is more powerful but because star wars has no real protection against teleporting enemies. This is because the only teleporters in star trek belonged to the infinite empire of the Rakata and was not common during the galactic civil war or even the new republic. Basically borg would just drop drones into the death star and take over the ship. Woudnt be much of a chance for all the star wars turbolasers to do much to stop the fight.
The Borg's only chance is to transport a force of drones over to the Death Star and assimilate it from within. If, however, the Death Star fires first, even just a single reactor ignition, the Death Star wins hands down. No contest.
I have a feeling the Borg would eventually create a mega cube that would annihilate the Death Star. The Borg is nothing like anything the Empier have encountered. They are not like the Alliance. At first the Empire would blow the Borg away but once the Borg adapt its lights out. Its more of a slow burn here. I think eventually the Borg would destroy the Empire. They are just too relentless and detached. The Borg could care less about the concepts of good or evil, force etc. With the Borg your not dealing with these concepts. They just want conquest period.
Motivation, the force or frankly any gimmicks of either side barely matter in the case of the Empire, the problem here is one of sheer scale. The Empire is literally a Galactic Scale Civilisation, (clue is in the name, Galactic Empire), which rules over millions upon millions of inhabited worlds, while the Borg as I recall, only control a few thousand. The Empire has enough resources that if it was required, they could simply drown the Borg in ISDs, which may individually not be a match for a cube after the Borg after they adapt somewhat, but numbers and sheer brute firepower will simply grind the Borg down over time. Yes, the Empire has never fought an adversary like the Borg, but the Borg have also never encountered an enemy with the sheer numbers, resources, firepower and drive that the Empire brings to the table.
From range, the death star would probably win every time. Best way for the Borg to win would be to warp in extremely close, so that the death star couldn't target it with the superlaser, and couldn't bring more than a handful of turbolasers to bear against the cube. From there, the cube only has to weaken the death stars shields enough to transport the drones onboard. The Stormtroopers onboard wouldn't only get a few shots before the drones adapted. The only chance the Garrison would have of repelling the drones would be if Vader or Sidious were present. While the drones could possibly adapt to lightsaber strikes, they'd have no chance against force abilities Bay the way, one thing you forgot to mention is that the Borg Cube's weapons are also adaptable, being able to bypass most defensive systems. Also, at sector 001, the Federation was employing Akira, Defiant, Saber, Steamrunner, and Sovereign class's vessels, which were specifically designed to combat the Borg. That's why the cube wasn't nearly as effective as it was at Wolf 359
it all depends on the first shot from the DS. if it misses or even 1 drone gets transported on board, game over. weve seen at least 2x where the borg assimilate a ship quickly and relatively sneakily. and they target core systems first. power, weapons, life support, shields, bridge, all main targets for borg assimilation tactics
I'm surprised that none of the comments I've read mention an explicit line in TNG about how laser-based weapons couldn't even penetrate the Enterprise D's navigational shields, much less their actual deflectors. I don't think the Death Star's turbolasers are even a consideration, and the TIE fighters absolutely aren't.
You're assuming that laser technology is the same in both galaxies. Although both series reference "laser" in describing weapons, we see that "lasers" in the Star Wars universe are quite different from those in Star Trek.
A Star Trek laser is just what we call a laser, amplified and concentrated light. A laser is Star Wars is something more akin to a particle beam. They just called it laser because it was easy and Star Wars is space opera where realism isn't necessary for world building. If a lightsabers were actually made of light, they would just pass through one another and would have very different affects on durasteel and flesh. Don't take things at face value when judging the Star Wars galaxy as far as naming conventions are concerned. (Do also keep in mind that the yield of a turbolaser blast can be measured in kilotons.)
timeshifter08 Star Wars blasters and turbolasers and such are more along the lines of magnetically bottled plasma, like Stargate’s staff weapons and Ha’tak ship weapons.
season 2 episode 4 - approaches and locks lasers on the Enterprise. The crew is amused, since firing lasers on a Starfleet ship would be about as effective as spitballs.- also, season 4 episode 4- suddenly human, enterprise is being threatened by a Talarian ship that has lasers, worf say's 'lasers?? they are NOT a threat' - its been long established that the star trek universe has far surpassed laser technology.
the Borg cube in sector 001 took damage but was still operational because they didn't know where the weakness of the cube was until Picard came along. besides, the cube is pretty fast, and can maneuver quickly, so it is possible for the cube to move out of the superlaser. now this one that I am about to talk about will be unlikely, but the drones can teleport over to the death star, hide in the station, assimilate stormtroopers, and possibly take control of the death star, like they did on the USS enterprise e in first contact
Bismark 24 not to mention it was something of a suicide mission, intended to deliver the sphere to the spacetime coordinates to enable it to go back and prevent first contact. The cube itself was expendable. Also, this was a fresh encounter a few years after the battle of Wolf 359, giving the federation time to improve weapons technology and giving the Borg something they'd never seen before.
Fundamentally, this is a poor comparison, because the Death Star is the one of a kind weapon, then there was another, but the output equal to that of tens of thousands of Borg cubes. A clear of cubes would overwhelm. This is like saying since the Chippeawa Indians used two man canoes and the United States uses an aircraft carrier and both are called ships . . . . Assimilation would occur, even I'd all drones were killed. A dead drone or several would be collected by the Empire, the drones would recover, infect and move on. The only issue is does the Borg lose a cube before it gains the Empire's most deadly weapon and assimilate the Empire? Once a cube was lost . . . Once a Death Star was lost . . . . Again favoring Borg.
I remember seeing once, that the Death Star was designed as a mining machine. And was easily adapted as a war machine. The main laser was to reduce a planet to manageable size pieces for refining for valuable materials.
Death Star wins, Empire loses. While the laser is charging to destroy the cube in a single shot while delivering their standard ultimatum, one drone beams aboard, and starts assimilating the space station.
@@mider9996 One borg disables local internal sensors and begins assimilating a section. Then there is more borg that assimialte more. Rinse, repeat, until a entire Deathstar is assimilated. Remember they pulled *this exact trick* on the Enterprise E. Who knew what they were up against, had Picard hearing the hivemind, thus could react very quickly and allowing the Unique entity "Data" to lock the main computer. The only thing given the DS a edge, would be Vaders Force Precognition. But that one might not catch up on the few drones until they reached critical mass. And I Doubt Star Wars Blasters can be easily remodulated to overcome borg drone shielding with Storm troopers not having th best melee trainig - so thanks for sending all those unarmed enemies against us to assimilate! Even Vader would have a problem with being overwhelmed after a day or two, his lightsaber being stopped by the shields, his TK propably adapted too, hs entire army turning into the enemies army. The borg are like a intelligent Zombie Plague that can becomme immune to every weapon or tactic you got!
@@christopherg2347 why wouldn’t a storm trooper team just shoot the one borg...then it’s over Also if they have a variety of weapons like flame throwers slug throwers etc the borg wouldn’t have a chance. If Vader gets involved they are screwed
@@mider9996 Because the Borg use ambush tactics, until they have some numbers on their side or are exposed. Just like they did in First Contact. The borg would totally adapt to Flame- or Slughthrowers, if those ever became a common weapon they face. It takes resources to adapt. Why adapt to things that are not a major challenge in the grand scheme of things?
The forces a person would feel near the exterior of the sphere if it turned quick are mind boggling. Imagine if our moon did 1 rotation around its axis in a minute....
all in all I agree with your assessment but there were a few things that you got wrong that were very SW oriented 2:50 its 3,000 METERS not kilometers if it was it would be larger than the death star 8:25 a cube is considered to be the fastest ship in the ST universe they have never been outrun by any federation ship (a galaxy class pushing its warp drive to the point of overload was quickly gained on) at various points you mentioned the fighter complement of the death star. ST ships have almost never been shown to have issues with accuracy against other ships in general combat except against ships with jamming tech, which tie fighters don't have. Given that the borg have never, to my knowledge, been seen to miss a shot I don't see any number of fighters being effective except to allow the borg more opportunities and information to adapt to standardized imperial laser tech
For the most part I agree with you. The most effective, and likely Borg strategy, based on previous observation is that the Borg would scan the Death Star on approach and analyze the Death Star's technology. They would also transport drones on to the Death Star to interface with selected systems directly. Since the Empire has no transporter technology this would catch them by surprise and give the Borg an initial advantage. If the commander of the Death Star powers up the super laser at the first sighting of the Borg Cube and fires they win. But as you pointed out the Death Star's super laser requires time to power up. If the Borg starts shooting first the Borg may have time to transport drones on board and begin assimilating storm troopers and technical personnel. The Borg would not destroy the Death Star, but instead take it over, adding it's technological distinction to their own. Picture a Borg Death Star showing up at Wolf 359 commanded by Locutus. LOL
I think you underestimate the stormtroopers gaurding the death star. If we take Legends numbers I really doubt the Borg could really defeat the entire death star crew of specialized stormtroopers, shadow troopers, royal gaurds, commandos, etc. Plus they're fighting on the death star (friendly zone). Yes they could deflect the standered blaster but they have stronger weapons and are able to get creative or stall until the special troops get in.
Here’s how I see it happening: Borg cube enters system, registers Death Star on sensors. Begins scanning and analysis. Death Star picks up the Borg cube and it’s scans. Imperial commander issues standard Imperial “Surrender, prepare for an inspection, etc,” but is interrupted by “We are the Borg.” TIE fighters are scrambled, Borg cube proceeds to hold one in a tractor and ignores the others, and beams the seized TIE aboard for... study. Borg cube hits the Death Star from what the Imperials consider a significant range. The tractor beam cannot move the station, obviously, but seems to be interfering with the shields. The TIE’s continue to fire at the cube, but the small affect they were having early on is now diminished to little more than sparks. The Death Star commander, having analyzed their scans of the cube, orders the super laser to fire, at 20%. Instead of destroying the cube, however, the beam blasts a hole clear through. The tractor beam is cut off, and the cube seems to be adrift. The TIE’s are recalled. Suddenly, the hole in the cube starts... closing, as if the ship is regrowing itself. The Imperial commander orders another super laser shot, this time at 50% power, but gets no response from firing control. A squad of storm troopers is sent to investigate, while the station begins firing with turbo laser batteries. The cube, already at the edge of turbo laser range, slowly backs away, content to await the inevitable outcome on the station. In firing control, the storm troopers encounter a group of about 30 cybernetic humanoids apparently building strange equipment. Some of these cyborgs are wearing Imperial uniforms. They open fire, quickly dispatching a half-dozen drones. Then the blasters simply don’t work anymore. By the time the command staff realize what is going on, there is nothing left that they can do. The Borg have either adapted to their weapons or seized control of them. Even a self destruct has been circumvented. All in all, it takes approximately 2 days for the station to be completely assimilated, with 2 Lambda class shuttles escaping. There may or may not be nanites aboard. Soon, the Borg take their new Super Sphere to sector 001, to settle an old score...
*Basically, I believe this is a situation of winning the battle but losing the war* The Borg Cube would, assuming it is disconnected from the hive mind, would act far more cautious then it would if it were connected. Before transmitting the standard Borg declaration of assimilation, the Borg cube would perform scan to see what countermeasures the Death Star has. During this period of time, the Death Star would be assessing if the Cube is friend or foe, and will attempt to open contact. The Borg would ignore transmission, and to make no apparent move. This complete in-action of an unknown alien ship would incite the death star crew to investigate, and send Tie boarding craft over to the Borg cube, which the borg cube would allow it to be boarded as to observe the boarders, aswell as considering them to be a non-threat. All the while, the Borg would be prepping their own boarding parties. This preparation would be needed for the borg because their intent is to win the war, not the battle. With no connection to the Collective, the boarding party would need to have everything needed for Borg to function of they lose the ship. So by preparations I merely mean downloading the entire borg database aboard the ship into the drones that will be beamed to the Death Star. This will take mere minutes, would probably be done by the time the imperial boarding craft arrive. At this moment the Cube would beam over the infiltration drones, and attempt to leave. The Death Star would likely attempt to prevent the Cube from leaving, at which point its 50/50 if the cube will manage to do so, but regardless the Borg have "won the war" as the drones assimilate the Death Star. As for the conflict on the Death Star, the Borg would start by attempt by taking control of the core systems, to prevent self destruction. The empire likely has sufficient countermeasures in their computers to prevent it being done immediately, and would attempt to fight the drones conventionally by killing them. Failing to kill them is likely, and there will be little the empire could do now. Even if they succeed in activating a self destruct sequence, the Borg would of prioritized assimilating some Tie Fighters to ensure their survival. The Borg managing to get onboard the Death Star I esimtate will give a 95% chance of the Death Star being assimilated. Alternatively, lets say the battle commenced immediately, the Borg Cube would surely of perished, however, the empire would be wary of this unknown entity, and would then investigate the wreckage of the Borg Cube. The empire would then bring fragments of the cube onboard, aswell as some seemingly "dead" drones to learn about the physiology of this unknown species. At this point they'd learn that the Borg is many species, and at about this point in the investigation is when I'd expect atleast 1 of the thousands of drones to wake up, and take over the entire station. Even if the surviving drone was out in space, their life-sign would be detected, and the empire would try to bring them on board to interrogate. So overall, I give 50% chance the Borg Cube will survive, 95% chance of Borg Victory overall.
You are thinking of the borg being the only aggressor. The fact is, in star wars, surprise to ships only happens with hyperspace travel. A death star would see the borg ship apear on it's sensors before the borg knew anything, it would send a shuttle and escort to see whether the alien was from the unknown regions. The borg ship would assimilate the ships sent. The lack of communication would cause the alien to be considered a dire extragalactic threat. The death star would hyper jump facing the cube and immediately blow it to pieces. The empire would find assimilated ships, and would shoot them out of the sky for disobeying protocol despite giving correct codes. (This is the main reason they do that, the empire is no stranger at ALL to assimilating threats) The site would be marked down, but would not be investigated by the station at all, as it would no longer be considered a military matter, and would be transferred probably to imperial agents. Then it would be a war empire vs borg, and not really relevant here. Pretty sure the borg would lose due to op jedi powers. My point is that foreign vessels are not usually allowed onto top secret military bases. And the empire hates aliens. It was created with these ideals to beat alien threats. Certainly the borg CAN assimilate death stars. But the empire knows about assimilation. And the borg aren't very... subtle. I give the borg a 10% chance of victory, as incompetence is certainly possible, but 0% if the empire knows more about them.
"The lack of communication would cause the alien to be considered a dire extragalactic threat." Jumping to conclusions there. A threat, yes. But they still would know nothing about it. Ships disappear? time to go to battle stations. But in that time.. the borg has learned all they needed to know. The bad thing with the death star is that it's so massive it has to go to the edge of the solar system and then fly in. Other ships can jump in closer to the star, but the death star does not have that luxury.. so an in system jump is not really feasible. This makes it very vulnerable. The borg can dictate the terms of the battle then as they have the better maneuverability and speed. And at the ranges they can reach... by the time the death star could swing that overpowered turbo laser at them they'll already have put dozens of drones on there. The end game has begun, the cancer has already taken root and now it's only a matter of time.
I agree with most of what you said but I think this conflict would be even more 1-sided. Unless the cube happens to warp in immediately in front of the death star's main laser, AND the laser happens to be charged and ready to fire AND that decision is made immediately by those on the death star, the cube wins. Otherwise the borg would easily detect something threatening about this death star and move out of the way. Self-preservation is there if they are separated from the collective. All the borg need to do is beam in a few boarding parties and they win. The cube itself could just leave if the star's conventional weapons output is too high, which it won't be because it's all lasers, which are seen as laughably weak in the star trek universe. Once the death star is assimilated the borg would probably not even use it, since it's so obsolete to them. They would just disassemble its parts to create hundreds more cubes, which they could then use to assimilate the entire star wars universe.
I know this video is old, but I'm bored so I'm going to comment anyways. I personally think the Borg would win. I think the biggest error made in your assessment was to compare the movement and rotational speed of something the size of a Borg cube to something the size of a small moon. Since the Death Star as a fixed point with which to fire it's laser it makes it very unlikely that the Death Star could touch the Borg cube with it's Super Laser. That weapon is practically a non-issue. As far as overwhelming the Borg cube with sheer firepower...that's really iffy. The clip you showed is of federation starships blasting the Borg cube and actually doing damage. Well Federation Starships know to change the frequency of their phasers to penetrate Borg shielding for a time. You get a lot of Starships doing that at the same time and the Borg shielding likely cannot compensate because it would have to rotate it's frequency too quickly. So it's likely not raw damage that is getting through the Borg shielding as much as it is the shots it cannot rotate fast enough to negate. As far as offensive capabilities are concerned...you're right about the Borg cube not being able to destroy a Death Star in any kind of timely manner. It would instead lock on it's tractor beam, activate it's cutting laser. Once it synced up to the Death Star's shield frequency, it would start teleporting their drones onto the Death Star and without any real reinforcements, that would be it. Storm Troopers would be no match for Borg Drones after the first few shots. So the Borg Drones would just walk over the Storm Troopers, take the ship and that would be the end of it. It would take weeks if not months to assimilate the whole thing, but that would be the only issue. The comparatively laughable firepower and impact of ti fighters would have very little impact on the battle.
I don't think the person who created this video understands how fast sub-light travel is in the Trek universe. It's videos like this as to why I don't subscribe to this channel. Too many inaccuracies with basic known things that hardcore scifi fans should know about; at least scifi fans that make youtube channels and does death battles.
don't forget that the cube doesn't actually need to be within weapons range of the death star to begin beaming down drones. Beaming down to the surface of a planet from orbit is pretty common in star trek (even through shields).
I would imagine that if a Borg cube was able to dodge the first shot by the super laser, they would then obviously know just how dangerous the Death Star was. I don't believe for a second that ANY amount of defensive adaptions by the Borg cube would allow it to survive a direct hit from the Death Star; even at a lower power setting, there's simply too much energy being pumped out for any shielding to be able to withstand. That said, I think it would be fairly easy for the Borg to shoot a hole or two into the Death Star's shielding long enough to beam in some drones, at which point things could get very interesting. I'd imagine the drones would very quickly be able to infiltrate, scan, and transmit back a lot of information about the Death Star as well as beginning an assimilation campaign that could mean that even if the cube was destroyed, there would still be the potential for the Death Star to be assimilated.
If you havent read the Star Trek book Vendetta, i highly recommend it. It deals with the final version of the Doomsday Machine (the one from the original Star Trek series is supposedly a prototype). That thing was terrifying!
Hey William I actually read that awesome book, it's been many years but didn't the doomsday machine actually survive going inside a star? Going to have to reread that one.
You just need to beam one borg down to the cube to assimilate everyone. Star Wars won't do well with beaming tech. Or just beam a bomb to the reactor core.
I agree with that. Ship to ship this video is correct, but if the Empire brings aboard a corpse or two to examine then the Borg will soon have a new fleet made out of an entire Death Star and a bunch of new tech specs.
OK third comment but final answer. The Borg assimilate things and so they will immediately assess the value of the Death Star and immediately assimilate it into an “Assimilation Star Sphere” - all before it can fire it’s supper laser. With long range scanning they know all about the Death Star, and as a collective mind they immediate have a plan to assimilate the whole thing projecting only loosing a few drones in doing in the process. On distant approached the death star charges the super laser, in turn the Cube does a combat warp close to the surface & out of direct fire of the charging supper laser (rolleyes - easy). Borg immediately transports tons of drones to all key fire control, command control, fighter bays, and trooper barracks. Trooper will fire on drones - 3 drones die as the collective adjust personal shield for all drones. Death Star point defense systems (turbo laser towers) fire on the Cube, a hand full hit (most miss in true SW fashion) and the Cube adjust it's shields. All other hits do nothing now. Cube does not even bother firing on the DS defenses, But may any fire on fighters that so happen to be on patrol in the area they just warped to 30 seconds ago. Within a 120 seconds (give or take) all defenses systems power down as single drone plugs into a (R2) data port. Because Death Star personnel base wide are being assimilated, along with all their knowledge of the Death Star operations. Within an hour all key operations & tactical personal are assimilated, the rest of the population joins the collective by end of day. Borg knowing the idiocy of single super laser, break it down and build smaller versions along the entire surface of the death start for powerful point defense systems. And they plug all exhaust ports, recycle internally any exhaust fo other uses. Off into the sun set to other planets, not to destroy but assimilate the entire SW univers.
@@theodorewai2864 that's because ST shields are modulated to block transport beams. Since SW doesn't have transporters it's very unlikely that their shields will be correctly modulated to stop a beam. Plus the Both once beamed through shields in "Q Who"
@@thegreyghost5846 from wHat I've read, it's the opposite way around. I think shields block the modulation of transporters, and that's why shields block transporters.
@@thegreyghost5846 I think that shields can be modulated so that it allows transporters through, or the transporter can take control of some window in the shields. (TNG: The Wounded) Star Wars shields don't work that way.
@@thegreyghost5846 When comparing scifi universes I feel like you can't just do subjective leaps like that, you have to assume they work in the same sort of way as comparable technologies in their native universes.
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I do kinda disagree with you choosing the death star as the winner. Avro Arrow's post has a very good explanation for what you may have overlooked.
9sky man9 I have to disagree with u sky because the Death Star could destroy an entire planet so I'm pretty sure it can take the borg cube down
Again Obex, look at Avro Arrow's post.
Going back to what you said about boarding, as soon as the drones were on board the Death Star it's game over, the empire has no prior knowledge of the Borgs assimilation methods so they would likely underestimate the threat posed by a dozen or so drone if they even detected them at all.
Further if the transporter technology was detected and identified it is possible that the Imperial officers would hold off firing the super laser as they'd plausibly want to capture the technology for their own use.
Now I'll grant that that is all dependent on the Borg being able to transport before the weapon fires for the first time. However, it should be noted that Borg sensors would likely detect the charging super weapon prompting them to eject their sphere which could then proceed to assimilate the Death Star after the Cube had been destroyed.
The cube wouldn't have been destroyed by the weapon! The super laser would have never penetrated the Borg shields! just because it is a super powered laser that can destroy a planet doesn't mean it can penetrate far superior shield technology that actually blocks effectively those particular weapons!
the moment borg assimilates storm-troopers they are Doomed! now every drone in universe will never ever hit a target!
The award for best comment goes to Svetoch Mira.
Good, that Drones dont use firearms! ;)
Drones do have weapons. As well as different drones for different reasons. To Include a tactical drone with stronger fire power and shielding.
Sorry but they only adapt superior biological and technological advancements into their collective. The problem would be the reverse, the newly assimilated stormtroopers would start hitting their targets.
+Svetoch Mira Wow this is the first comment that is driven by working logic. And it's a joke comment. You sir, deserve an applause!
The Death Star's main weapon is located at a very specific point in its configuration, probably covering about 0.75-1.5/360 degrees, when the focused beam width is compared against the coverage of the full sphere. It can't fire through itself, obviously. Therefore, the maneuverability of the sphere is very important, especially its ability to turn around the central axis. This is something we have no idea of, whereas we know about the comparable size (and somewhat predictable maneuvering capabilities) of the Borg cube. In this case, the Death Star is a bazooka and the Borg cube is a wasp, that is going to give you a pretty fatal allergic reaction, unless your aim is dead on.
Depends on if the Borg are able to send boarders. The cube is doomed, but if they get the chance you are likely to see an assimilated death star.
I know it's a belated response, but I think this would potentially be a deciding factor. I think it'd all come down to whether the Death Star's shields can interfere with transporter technology, something that'd be a complete unknown to the Star Wars universe. If it can block transporters, the borg cube might get overwhelmed by turbolaser fire before it can bring down the Death Star's shields, and if they get under the sights of the main gun the jig's up. But if they can transport drones through the shield, drone personal shielding can probably handle blaster fire a lot better than the cube could handle turbolasers or the superlaser.
The shear size of a death star, it would take too long for the borg drones to capture any significant tactical positions such as the bridge , by then big daddy laser is locked on
@@tristanbreen Doesn't mean a thing when your people start turning into drones.
@@tristanbreen they can plug in like anywhere and control systems just like R2D2. on top of that, their shields would adapt after one or two casualties. wouldnt need transporters... just launch some borg drones at the surface of the death star and swarm it.
@@tristanbreen it doesn't need to capture the bridge, there are so many people on the death star that could be assimilated.
Such fun. This basically comes down to timing: can the Death Star overwhelm the cube quickly enough to prevent assimilation? If it’s just down to fire power, then yes, it probably could. But would the crew of the Death Star REACT quickly enough?
Based on the rules set out for this engagement the Empire just see an unfamiliar space vessel approach their huge space station that they consider to be invincible. They DO NOT see a threat. They do not engage the main weapon, or launch fighters or raise shields. They might try to use their tractor beam to hold the cube for further inspection / interrogation.
The Borg on the other hand have a singular purpose and make no assumptions. They see the Death Star, scan it immediately and then send a drone to interface with its systems to find out if it is worth assimilating.
That is that start and end of this battle. If the Borg are allowed to complete their assessment of the DS, then they will have all the information they need to overcome it. If the Imperial crew of the DS can somehow react quickly enough to prevent it then they may be able to win.
It’s not a battle decided by the ships, but by tactics and attitude.
Only one problem to point out with this, the DS has a permanent shield in place, so scanning and transporting would likely be disrupted to begin with. Not saying that would matter in the end, but it is a point to note.
@@Ishlacorrin The Borg on numerous occasions have been shown to be able to bypass shields so when the first attempt fails they'll just adapt.
The Borg wouldn't attempt to destroy the death star at all. If the imps recognize the threat early enough and are able to charge the main weapon quickly enough, that is basically they're only hope. A fighter attack, even with hundreds or thousands of TIEs would find themselves destroyed before they can get in range to attack the cube. Seeing a large fleet of fighter craft approaching, the Borg would deploy large area of effect weapons like the gravitic mines they planned to get voyager to use against species 8472. Standard torpedoes also would be effective at destroying squadrons of TIEs as they fly in tight formations and have no shields. The Borg would begin by using their shield draining weapon to disable the shields, that is if the ds shield would block transporters at all, it didn't stop xwings from flying through it. They would then transport drones aboard to evaluate the technology and begin assimilating the station and it's crew. Several drones are likely to be killed immediately by Stormtroopers, perhaps even the first wave entirely. More drones beam aboard and are now adapted to blaster weapons. The drones quickly overcome the Stormtroopers sent to stop them and assimilate them and any other personnel they encounter. The Borg will likely have interfaced with the death star's computer systems by now and have begun to shut down it's systems, preventing the use of the superlaser if it hasn't already been fired. These tactics have all been seen used by the Borg before. With no effective weapon to kill the drones, it is only a matter of time before the entire death star will be assimilated and the millions of people aboard added to the collective.
There is one very important issue you all seem to forget: the difference in technology!!!
Star trek universe's technology is faze based and would be of low or no effect against the Death Star and the gravity manipulation against a thing as big as a Death Star would, indeed, be futile... The Borg could not adapt to Imperial weapons because there is nothing to adapt to, Imperials would simply melt the Borg away!
@@TheLeens why would phased nadion based weapons be ineffective against the death star? And if you want to argue that point, lasers can't penetrate startrek shields, so the DS would be defenseless. Also Borg weapons are widely accepted to be plasma based, aside from the cutting beam which is still unidentified. I would consider starwars turbolasers to also be plasma weapons and not true lasers for sake of comparability.
One of the biggest things people fail to take into account in these cross-universe comparisons is overall weapon design. Star wars weapons are manually controlled and pretty inaccurate. They shoot fast and lay down an impressive spray of fire in an area but lack precision targeting capabilities. That is why fighters are so useful in star wars: they can evade the inaccurate weapon emplacements and make precision attacks on key structures of enemy ships.
In Star trek, the main weapons of the capital vessels are extremely precise and computer targeted, able to target individual locations on a ship with ease, and at very long range. The Borg could easily target and destroy huge numbers of the death star's surface cannons, maybe even from outside their effective range. I discount that strategy simply because it would make it stupidly easy for the Borg.
I give the face to face brawl strategy a tie, the ds wouldn't inflict enough damage on the cube to disable it before the turrets are destroyed, the the death star is too big and too heavily armored a target to simply destroy with even the impressive firepower of a Borg cube.
It would come down to boarding action, and this is where the Borg drones would prove their superiority over imperial Stormtroopers. Stormtroopers aren't equipped to fight an enemy that can adapt to their weapons. Blasters aren't easily modifiable in the way federation phasers are to allow them to get a few more shots in before the Borg adapt again. And as the Borg win firefights, they assimilate the Stormtroopers and grow stronger in numbers.
Way late to the party but a Borg cube was 'only' 3 km tall/wide not 3000 km (I had to look it up).
Isn't that what he said?
@@silentdrew7636if a Borg cube was 3000 km That would make it just a little bit smaller than our moon.
@@loriefranceschi2590 did he say it was that big?
Yeah, I think he meant 3000m, but had a little brain fart.
Thanks for this comment. I was about to look this up
Have we forgotten one technological aspect of ship on ship combat here? Boarding via teleporter. This is a legitimate form of naval combat and wasn't listed. It only takes one drone, ONE, to transport over and then its game over.
Zachary Bruhn i am totally with you...but lets put it straight...most of the time the opponents are chosen so starwars would win...i mean...planet destroying space station vs a single ship...xD in size and weaponry a star destroyer would have made more sense...but then SW would have lost :p
Unless It's shot down : /
The main strength of the Borg is assimilation, they don't destroy they strive for perfection for the Collective. With a complement of approximately 130,000 drones, if the battle was going against them they could beam half of them to the Death Star and begin the assimilation of personnel and technology, losing only a handful of drones before their personal shields adapt to Imperial sidearms and rifles and with no Sith onboard there would be no weapons that would pose a threat to them. The Borg may lose the Cube but the battle would be theirs as, once on the Death Star, the Imperials wouldn't stand a chance and the battle station would soon service the Collective.
Borg Drones are not "mindless" drones. They're the Collective Mind of the Borg, organized into subroutines that operate the ship & orchestrate assimilation.
The whole time the ships are fighting, thousands of Borg are beaming onboard & assimilating crew & Death Star systems.
The Death Star flies off "triumphant", but is oddly silent when it reaches its destination. As the Imperials attempt to make contact, they're greeted with: "We are the Borg. Resistance is futile." Full assault by amped up energy weapons no Imperial ship has; & mass assault by weirdly-modified TIE fighters that simply ignore weapons hits after the first few kills...
No the stormtroopers would kill any borg who get onboard as the borg do not have plot armor
@@happydog2905 they would kill the first few drones. After that, the drones would adapt to the weapons, making them worthless. Then it becomes a numbers game. 20 drones assimilate 20 troopers. Then 40. Then 80. Then 160. Then 320. Then 640. Then 1280.... Etc etc etc... Eventually (as stated) you have a fully assimilated borg death star.
@@williamhemming8228 i was making a joke that stormtroopers can only kill people who dont have plot armor
@@happydog2905 lol. Fair point. Same goes for the borg, come to think of it
@@williamhemming8228 Yea, the Death Star would be done before they even realized it.
the borg cube vs the stargate replicators is what i want to see compared :)
In that match up I would leave the galaxy where it is happening and not stop running
I so want to see this
It would be a no brainer. nanobots of borg will easily take over one replicator learning the replicator language and assimilating the technology. I give it a max of 10 minutes and replicators would be borg commanded. The real battle would be, what computer could hack which computer first. Replicators operate on nice efficient computer language. Borg use the instincts and unpredictability of a live adaptive mind with the speed of a supercomputer on steroids. They are experts at infiltrating other computer systems to make them their own.
@@ibewscott69 😭😭🤣🤣 the Borg would get ran through by the replicators....Ran through. I don't understand why people keep attributing
Invincibility with the Borg??? The replicators were created by a species leagues more advanced than Borg. Species 8472 were immune to the Borg and their nano bots, and their small ships were able to destroy Borg cubes with ease. The replicators are made of nano machines operating on an energy the Borg has never heard of and as for the replicators ships????? Orion class ancient war ships with the ability to use zpms, extremely powerfull plasma weaponry - not phasers, that are again, leagues ahead of anything they would have encountered. Drone weapons, and an ability to figure the Borg out no problem. The Borg would be like insects to the replicators. The borg are threat in star trek, a universe that went on the principles of the 70s that we'd all be in flying cars by the year 2000. The species in star gate have tech tens of thousands of years more advanced and refined than any in star trek, which is what supposed to be 500 years from where we are now.
@@ibewscott69 Borg nanoprobes vs Replicator language vs Cylon computer virus...? I think the Cylons take that fight, until a 1 starts making angry speeches and gets spaced.
WINNER: The Borg! ... ... But NOT the Cube! ... ... There is no doubt the Death Star would blow up a single Borg Cube in one shot, because the Borg would not be able to adapt. However, the Borg would definitely win. The Borg would Transport their Drones aboard the Death Star. A small number of Drones would die when hit with the lasers from the Imperial Troopers. However, after the Drones aboard the Death Star adapt, the Borg would then star assimilating the Troopers. The Cube would be destroyed, but the Borg would easily win from the inside and the Death Star would be successfully assimilated. The loss of a Cube for a gain of Death Star is something the Borg will do every time.
But what would happen if the imperials started sealing off the assimilated parts and then opened that area to space.
They usually use nanoprobes to control the computer before you can really do that.
Lasers can't damage a borg cubes shields
Normal, low power lasers wouldn't damage the Borg Cube's shields, but something that can destroy an entire planet would probably overwhelm the Cube's shields, and even though the Cube is made of tritanium which is ~25x stronger than diamond, I don't think it would stand a planet-destroying weapon. The TIE fighters and turbolasers would barely affect the Cube, though, as plasma is very weak against even navigational shields, as plasma is a problem for navigation, it has to be blocked by the nav shields.
The problem is that the Borg are very methodical in a first contact scenario - they start out by sending in a single drone to analyze their opponent's systems and gauge their reaction. For the first several minutes of the encounter, they focus on gathering information, either by infiltrating the other ship with drones or by cutting away samples of the ship's hull. In this amount of time, the Death Star would be more than able to obliterate the cube and all of its occupants. The one or two drones remaining on the Death Star would not pose a threat.
4:52 Just a fun fact, No borg cube would need any crew to repair themselves, all borg technology is based on nanotechnology and the smallest piece of a ship can potentially repair itself into a full cube, and can also assimilate an entire world.
omg, what if we're all actually been assimilated?
They aren't magic. The Cube needs matter to build something with. If only a small piece remains, it would need to find some matter to rebuild the ship.
Arguably, the Cube's rapid repair rates (as seen in the show) are because the Cube beamed up huge chunks of several planets to use as raw material. Once the Cube takes enough damage, and that material is blown away, their ability to regenerate begins to drop rapidly. (Such as in the Battle of Sector 001)
Notice how I said potentially. As in it's possible. Not guaranteed. The comment is about the crew, I never said materials wouldn't be required.
@@Swiftbow Given the Borg can transport through shields, any damage they do that results in debris is more material for them to repair with. The Borg would have to similarly overwhelm the Death Star to have a chance. They could do it, but it would cost the Collective. Slightly better than a Pyrrhic victory.
Correct. 78% of a cube can be gone amd it still remaims combat effective.Thats Canon.
You goofed. You said the borg cube was 3000km × 3000km x 3000km. Its actually meters, not kilometers.
i dont not want to face a 2.7e11 cubic km craft
@@starleighpersonal I agree. I would yell to get the fuck into hyperspace as soon as possible.
@@starleighpersonal 2.7e10 You were off by one order of magnitude. (c;
@@MajorGray3 blame Siri
This idiot goofed throughout the entire fucking video. The Death Stars targeting accuracy is within 10 kilometers. It wouldn't even be able to target the cube in the first place.
The impulse-drive of the borg cube is surprisingly strong. I think the cube could easily avoid the deathstar's superlaser. And: after the drones had adapted to the imperial weapons, they could easily assimilate the whole deathstar-crew.
They don't even need to do that. They can drop out of warp, scan the Death Star, analyze the shields, adjust transporters, then beam 4,000 drones aboard and start the assimilation process. Then they can take the Borg Star wherever they want, like an Imperial shipyard such as Kuat Drive Yards, or even go right to Coruscant. Then they can beam 400,000 drones down, and easily take over. The Borg are relentless.
"They're like a storm on the horizon. You can't fight the storm, you simply move out of the way." Arcturus, in the Voyager episode Hope and Fear.
Yeah pretty much. Death Star is slow even in hyperspace.
Or when they see that the DS is charging the super lazer they jump to warp 9
Show of hands, how many people pissed themselves a little at the thought of an assimilated Death Star?
....not so much as the borg being able to assimilate a force sensitive.
Marky Locutus of Borg, meet Vader of Borg.
or.... if one borg has force powers, do they all have force powers?
Marky An interesting idea. I suppose the question comes down to how one gets force powers in the first place. To my knowledge it's never explicitly stated how it happens. If it's genetic then I have no doubt that the Borg would be able to dissect it and learn how it works. But if it's something more etherial then they might have a harder time. If the force somehow decides for itself who gets force powers then it may not even be possible.
If a Borg Queen has force powers, the drones that she controls would all have force powers
Borg Cube gets destroyed, but a group of drones manages to transport onto the Death Star first. The drones adapt to Imperial weapons. They assimilate the crew and ship over the course of a few weeks. The Death Star becomes part of the collective. Resistance is futile.
I like how the analysis of this battle was done in the comments. Clearly, the creator of this content designs his categories of comparison with a star wars bias. It may be unintentional, but it is there. In war, all strategies are on the table, so to, at the outset limit the abilities of the opponent, in my opinion, makes the comparison pointless. The Borg will use any strategy that ensures victory. To include teleportation, and the cube is smaller than the DS, so, I assume more maneuverable. All they would have to do, is get behind the DS planet killer and match its rotation to ensure they are never in the crosshairs. Then they can scan, for as long as they want till they eventually overcome the shields of the DS. They would then teleport over to say hello. One could argue that a barrage of TIE fighters would be bombarding the cube, but really, do we honestly believe TIE fighters can damage a cube? TIE fighters, that do not have modulating lasers? One cube destroyed over 30 federation battleships. This in my opinion would be a simple win for the Borg, who have centuries of battle strategy under their belt, and millions of civilisations' knowledge to draw on. This is a battle the DS could not win.
The borg cube isn't fast?
That thing is transwarp-capable!
The deathstar can jump into hyperspace
@@wolfpaw2715 exactly
@Urban Student Prepper ok so?
Star wars ships can't fight at faster than light speeds. The death star is just a giant target.
@@Urban Student Prepper whats wrong with discuss about fictions, never know how to imagine? probably watch so many jake paul that all of your brain cells disappear
There is one thing that you missed. And that is that the reason Starfleet won the engagement at sector 001 is that being used to Borg combat strategies at that point they knew to rotate modulations of shields and weapons. So it was a matter of tactics not the size of the fleet. On the other hand there is no canon example of blaster/turbo laser tech having different weapon frequencies. Just different orders of magnitude. The proding of the imperial commanders (via TIE fighters) could render the Superlaser moot if it's modulation is the same as the TIEs. No assimilation would be needed, just their ability to adapt
That relies on the ability of adaptation to handle any level of power, which i'm not sure it can. It's like adapting to getting shot by an m4 only to have a multiple-ton tungsten rod hit you at tens of thousands of miles per hour. The sheer difference in power would likely negate any adaptation
The frequency of a stars light is measurable and fairly constant - by which i mean it stays within a fairly predictable range over millions of years.
Borg ships have been destroyed within stars.
If adaption was really that powerful, they could sit in the very center of a star and not give a shit. They can't.
Starfleet prevailed at the battle of Sector 001 because Picard was linked to the hive mind where he identified a critically vulnerable area that even Data had disregarded. The entire fleet engaged the cube in that precise location at precisely the right time to destroy it. Picard proved that his time with the Borg did indeed make him the perfect man to fight against them.
I would have to disagree with your conclusion. First, the Death Star is hardly maneuverable at all. The entire final act of New Hope took place while it was getting into position to fire on the rebel base. It had to gradually settle into a planetary orbit and wait for gravity to do its thing. This tells me that it barely has any power to move at sub-light speeds. A Cube, on the other hand, has shown an ability to enter and exit warp speed (a tech not available to the Empire) with ease and to quickly maneuver at sub-light speeds.
Second, the Borg engage to assimilate, not destroy. They don't simply cruise up to a space station and open fire. (Yes, they fired on Federation outpost in Best of Both Worlds, but that was to lure Picard out for capture.) The Empire doesn't either (they captured the Falcon...) So, there would be a standoff. The Empire would either tractor the ship in (if it had a port big enough) or send ships to investigate. Either way, the Borg would immediately be assimilating every Imperial person they came in contact with. The knowledge of those assimilated personnel would immediately become available to the Borg. The layout of the Death Star, its capabilities, everything would become part of the Borg's collective knowledge within a few hours of their first encounter.
Third, the Death Star has no shields. Without shields, the Borg could transport onto the Death Star with ease. One Cube contains anywhere from 69,000 to 129,000 drones. Transporting 30,000 drones aboard in strategic locations would immediately overwhelm any Imperial response. And, within a few hours, every person on the Death Star would be Borg. Yep, even Darth Vader would be a Borg since the Borg would have the tactical expertise to know to fire simultaneous at every point of his body so he couldn't swipe away all of the blasts. So, now the Borg have the Force.
Finally, now that the Borg have the most powerful weapon in the Galaxy, all the knowledge of the Empire's greatest engineers, technicians, and fighters, and the power of the Dark Side, they would quickly assimilate the remainder of the Galaxy. In short, the Empire is not equipped to deal with the Borg.
Matthew Price that’s fucking gay as fuck it’s a super weapon against a normal borg cube that’s like putting a imperial star destroyer against the Death Star.
That's because you don't know how the Borg operate there T. The Cube would be destroyed, but not before the Borg would be able to land a boarding party.
Once they set foot inside, its done.
I don't believe the Imperials would risk sending any of their valuable and knowledgeable personnel to an unidentified craft, at risk of possibly getting killed or captured (note that I am only presenting risks the Imperials would see from the borg, not yet knowing they prefer to assimilate.) They would probably send a battalion of troops, not someone with extensive knowledge of the Death Star. I also doubt that the Borg could get close enough to beam themselves to any strategic let alone anywhere deep in the death star because of the Death Star's sheer size. It's too far away for the Borg transporters to reach. Also Darth Vader wouldn't risk himself being in a room with that many borg.
Granted, the Darth part of the comment was just for fun. However, clones are not stupid. They know their way around the Death Star and they know it capabilities even if they don't know how it works. So, their knowledge would be helpful.
Keep in mind, we know from the Death Star firing scene that those who control the weapon are near the surface of the Death Star. We could see the energy beam pass them on its way out. So, the Borg wouldn't need to transport very deeply into the DS to take control of the main weapon. Plus, Federation ships are capable of beaming people to and from cave systems on planets while in geosynchronous orbit - that is about 22,236 miles above the Earth. I assume Borg tech is at least on par with Fed tech, so they wouldn't need to be that close to beam onboard. To give you an idea of how far that is, the Death Star at about 100 miles in diameter would look the size of a marble held at arms length.
I may have under-estimated the distance the Borg could transport themselves, but they can only do so when the opposing ship's shields are down. There's a scene when Luke was flying to blow up the death star's core, he had to pass through a magnetic shield. Assuming that this shield would prevent the borg from beaming in from afar, they would have to get dangerously close to the death star to get in, even if they strategically go onto the side without the superweapon, there are still surface defenses and thousands of tie fighters which I am confident could take out the borg ship before it gets close enough to beam through the shield.
Also it's not all quite game over even if the Borg do beam onto the death star, the imperials might set up internal shielding to safeguard important facilities, not to mention, I'm not even sure the Borg could beam all of it's thousands of troops at the same time, they would probably have to send their force over, piece by piece. I also replied to a different person about how the Empire may try to resist the Borg invasion:
"Lightsabers may prove to actually be capable of cutting through borg shielding indefinitely, the borg may not be able to adapt to it due to the sheer amount of energy pulsating through the saber (which is enough to deflect blaster fire and force lightning.) Speaking of the force, the borg would definitely not be able to immunize themselves to that, and Vader could easily choke them to death. The Imperial soldiers may also learn to recalibrate their weapons every so often as the Federation did, which would easily repel a Borg attack. Not to mention it would take quite a long time for any borg nanocubes to spread throughout the Death Star and infect its systems due to the Death Stars sheer size. Giving the Imperials enough to seal off Borg infected areas and let the vacuum of space suck the Borg out."
Which one has the high ground
And which one has the lava ground?
By my point of view you have.... the LAVA GROUND!
There is no up in space therefore both have the high ground thank you for coming to my TED Talk
Lol
Well, Space... The final frontier.
Removes the kind of ground unfortunately 😅
I feel like the Borg have a distinct disadvantage because they're from a franchise that is primarily specializes in weekly TV series. Quite frankly they have a lot more opportunities to be portrayed incorrectly, and a lot more opportunities to encounter outliers that make them seem much weaker than they are.
You got this completely wrong! Borg will never need to assimilate the Death Star. It has simply an over sized laser. Lasers and Plasma weapons are outdated even by standards of mid 22 century of Star Trek. Let alone 24 century. An over sized laser wont be a surprise weapon. 9/10 to Borg Cube. In Star Trek universe they don't need a Death Star because most ships are capable of Apocalyptic bombardment.
If you're going with the assumption that neither side has encountered the other before, the Empire isn't going to simply open up with its superlaser at full planet-killer intensity - they won't see the need. Most likely they'll view the Borg cube as a prize, and start bombarding it with turbolaser fire to disable its defenses, before sending boarding parties to conquer its presumed crew.
By that time, the Borg will have finished their initial scouting-drone exploration of the Death Star and fully examined its capabilities. They're now aware of the superlaser, and will move to avoid it.
Even if the Empire see the cube as an immediate threat and use the superlaser, they'll likely elect to fire a single-reactor-only blast, which will blow apart the cube but not vaporise it. That will give the Borg the leeway to launch their sphere ship, or transport directly to the Death Star, and once they form a collective on board, the eventual full assimilation of the Death Star is inevitable.
DrakeAurum A giant "Borg D.S. Sphere".... even if the cube might be destroyed, and a Borg-Vador
You give the Imperial tacticians too much credit
DrakeAurum Well... after the speach of the borg they would fire
nah they would laugh and scoff and fail to take the threat seriously as always.
I would have to agree. All the Borg would need to do is transport aboard (transport is one advantage the ST universe has over SW). 2 drones after the initial recon drones and it is game over. The 2 drones will assimilate 2 stormtroopers (by that time they will have adapted to Star Wars small arms tech), And those 2 assimilated stormtroopers will tell (assimilate) 2 more friends, and so on, and so on.............Borg Death Star.
If the Deathstar got a shot on the Borg cube with the super laser it would be a short fight but the Borg would drop out of warp within beaming range and beam a massive boarding party before it fired a shot. The Borg would then be able to assimilate the entire deathstar crew within two days and would assilate the deathstar itself into their collective technology.
Milan Ondrak that would be like Hans maneuver with starkiller base, which I highly doubt the Borg could do, as the Death Star does have shields and he had mentioned the shields to be pretty standard, which we still know to be good enough, and the Borg typically remove the shield generator from the enemy, but with the Death Star and how massive and dense it is, they wouldn't be able to do that
The Borg have beamed through shields before and to be within transporter range you only need to drop from warp witin 3000 miles. Also the firearms in starwars are not as adjustable as phasers so the Borg would adapt quickly and then they would be able to keep assimilating relatively unaffected by the blasters they hit by.
Milan Ondrak fair enough, I respect that and could see that happening, but then we need to know how they get into the battle, otherwise it's too close to tell and all depends on if the Death Star would be able to get that one shot on the cube or if the Borg could get onto the Death Star, but yeah, that is a fair point.
That is also considering, that the Borg wouldn't send another Cube after the first got destroyed, but it is more-likely, that if the Borg-Cube gets destroyed, they would send in at least three more Borg-Cubes.
After all, if they would encounter such a huge technological object, that could destroy their Cube that easily, it would certainly result in the Borg getting more-eager to assimilate that Technology, it could even result in the Borg sending quite some Tactical Borg-Cubes, being much larger, more fortified.
They then could start analyzing the Death Stars Main-Weaponry, resulting in the borg becoming immune to it's Main-Weapon and Turbolasers.
And if you might say: Nah, the Video stated 1 Borg against the Death Star, then you're not understanding the Borg, sending multiple Ships to fight tougher enemies.
They may have fled from the 8472-Ships in Voyager, but that was due to these Organic Ships being naturally immune to most attempts of assimilation, as well as the Borgs Weaponry having no noteworthy Effect on 8472.
And in the long Run, if it weren't it for Picard and Janeway to destroy some Queens, as well as the Borg-Transwarp-Hub, they might have been swarming into Federation-Space like crazy.
in one of The Next Generation episode when the Borg 1st encountered humans the 1st thing they did before attacking enterprise was to send just one drone to collect info on the technologies. once they did that they told Picard to surrender but not attack them just yet.
I think the Death Star definitely wins against a Borg Cube, at least the first time. However, unless the Superlaser was already charged I doubt it wins before the borg get at least some drones on board and begin the assimilation. The real question to me, is if after the battle the Empire is able to remove the infestation before the Death Star becomes the Borg Death Star.
Since the Empire know everything about the death star they know how to destroy it so if but its a very Strong IF the Borg able to do it the Empire would destroy it even before the Borg would be able to do anything with it
You forgot to account for transporters. If even one Borg drone transported inside the Death Star, the whole station could be assimilated. When the Borg are outgunned, that's how they fight. Transporter technology doesn't exist in the Star Wars universe. The Death Star would have no defense against it.
Transporters can’t go through shields. They’d have to disable all the shielding in a given area to use transporters
@@darbyohara Correction: federation transporter technology cannot go through federation shields. The Borg have repeatedly shown that they can instantly adapt to federation technology, transport through shields, fire weapons through shields, render themselves invulnerable to energy weapons, and easily disable shields of the most advanced federation warships.
The Death Star was blown up by a disorganized group of rebels in second hand ships with conventional weapons. The Borg have the combined technology and intelligence of thousands of the most technologically advanced civilizations though out the galaxy.
@@RamseyDewey the borg technology cannot go through ANY species shields it has not encountered before. Plenty of examples in the Star Trek universe. The rebels were highly organized and managed a covert infiltration mission to obtain the Death Star plans. Unorganized dissidents cannot carry out such action. And in reality the Death Star was destroyed by a very force sensitive individual using a metaphysical power to hit the target. Without that it would not have been destroyed as more experienced non force sensitive pilots (red leader) were unable to hit the target.
I know it's a 6-year-old comment, but I don't care... The drones don't have to fight against the Enterprise's poorly trained crew of a few dozen people, but against 60,000 highly trained soldiers... Yes, they adapt to the weapons BUT they are nothing against melee weapons and im pretty sure even if their shields adapt to all weapon in the station if 10 stormtrooper Fires simultaneously the drone shield would brake.
They can beam max 1000 drone before the DS vaporize the Cube. And the Cube's shield will never be able to adapt to the death star's super laser because it's simply so powerful that if it shot it into a star it would destroy the star in two shots if not one.
You overestimate the Borg, and give them a divine quality, and they are just a hive-like race using a special fighting method, nothing more, thousands of similar races have been exterminated in the SW
@@kristof.demeter You want to bet that a drone with access to a data port can't depressurize the whole station?
The Death Stars primary weapon is meant for destroying large objects like planets but not so much for targeting fast moving ships. Even a Borg Cube is highly maneuverable and would simply stay out of the super lasers way. The Death star is too clumsy to match the Borg Cube movement. Borg are essentially a fast adapting 'species' (although they are technically half machine/half humanoid). After a few hits from those turbo lasers they would have adapted to those weapons rendering all those turbo lasers ineffective. The 10,000 tie fighters would meet the same faith. Yes, they can shoot at the cube, but probably with the same kind of weapons, to which the Borg easily can adapt. Now remember when the Borg first came into contact with the Enterprise D, they easily managed to beam one drone through the Enterprise shields. Since the Death Star has barely any shields it would be easy for the cube to beam over a few hundred drones which then will assimilate the entire Death Star crew. End result : The Borg wins.
alas, we are overlooking the huge advantage the borg have. a transporter. borg sends over thousands of drones to fck up the death star and it's over. blasters won't stop them and they take control of the death star. let's do this matchup again.
Pretty much. Death Star's main gun can 1 shot the cube but can it charge and aim fast enough to do so before a few thousand Borg beam over to key sections of the Death Star and assymilate the systems/crew needed to do so.
They would have to figure out how to take down the Death Star's shields first before they could beam over.
@@nowthatsjustducky That was exactly what happened in the Star Trek Movie First Contact. The Cube got destroyed and then the Borg beamed over and gradually assimilated the ship and crew. On another note, there is no teleportation / transporter tech in Star Wars, all any Federation or Star Trek ship has to do is beam over a photon torpedo, bye bye any star wars vessel.
@@yahozak Minor point. Transporters can be blocked by either shielding, or extremely high thicknesses of highly dense material. To beam aboard the DS-1, you would have to get past both of those, meaning the best case scenario would require you to disable the shields and then beam into one of the hanger bays.
Their are thousands of storm troopers in the Death Star, they’d probably just arm themselves with weapons the borg can’t adapt to
The Borg: “There are no Sith lords on the Death Star, they’re only led by some blue skinned admiral, this battle is ours!”
oh.....
Well there dead
*Thrawn smirks*
"Resistance.. is futile."
Thrawn smirks*
The Sith would run first chance they get. Force of numbers of Borg.
Were you comparing the standard Borg cube to the Death Star? The Borg have a Tactical Cube which is more heavily armored and has more powerful weapons than the standard cube. I'd love to see how a tactical cube stands up against the death Star.
I agree with your prediction that the Death Star would defeat the Borg cube. BUT, I believe the Borg would win in the end! How? Before their cube is destroyed I'm sure that the Borg would have transported some of their crew on board the Death Star. Once on board, it would take the Imperial crew some time to realise what has happened (evidence - see Star Trek: First Contact). By the time the Imperial crew would realise that the Borg had boarded, it would be too late. The Death Star would be assimilated and the Borg would win, be it at the cost of their cube.
It really just depends on who has the most plot armor.
They can't teleport through shields. This is repeatedly stated as a limitation of the tech in TNG.
The Death Star has shields.
Borg can't win in any case scenario because Empire is not stupid as federation and moment they would see cube with their "resistance is futile" crap, imperial ships would blow borg into dust because imperial ships are made for destroying while star trek ships are mostly science oriented and even warlike races like klingons are dwarf compared to ships of empire
I mean the death star would 1 shot the borg cube soooooooooooooo...
The Borg keep coming.1,000,000 Cube's.
The Borg would locate the exhaust port with a handful of scan and then blow it up. Or just beam thousands of drones on board, then the Cube itself doesn't matter. Star Wars hand weapons aren't reconfigurable like Trek phasers. A couple of volleys from Stormtroopers and every drone would be immune to personal weapons fire. That ends poorly for the Empire.
thetruerift except that the Borg cannot adapt to projectile weapons which are readily available in the star wars universe. You can't possibly think the empire wouldn't realize that.
That assumes the storm troopers could actually hit a moving target.
We aren’t talking about teleportation and infantry fights stupid Star Trek fanboys, it’s ship vs ship, it’s not involving infantry dumbasses
Thats not the Borgs MO though. They would attempt to assimilate instead of destroying the Death Star.
@d4rk0v3 actually even if they did do that you have to get through a stormtrooper crew of 30'984 who were heavily trained in martial arts. plus ya know they can always bash the borg on the head with a random mouse droid
Old vid but a fun one. This sounds like the following scenario.
You (the DS) are inside a tank. Powerful armored but relatively slow turning speed on the big gun(PLANET KILLER). A sparrow(BORG) is going trying to land on you and when it does infects you with super syphilis(assimilation). If the sparrow does get to contact its game over. It needs to avoid the big gun like going around flying past and turning around etc. The tanks smaller weapons are based on volume but the sparrow learns after the first couple.
Can't see how you don't get the pox in this case...
Assimilated Death Star (Borg Unimatrix Sphere), that would be cool.
Hey guys. CBS copyright striked this video. Guess that's it for Star Trek content.
aw... that sucks
EckhartsLadder bad luck
CBS is stupid.
starweirds will get them (sadistic grin)
Pretty sure this fits quite nicely under fair use...
The super laser is a non threat. In star trek detecting weapons lock and power up is simple. The Borg would be already moving well out of the way as soon as they detect the ridiculous amounts of energy involve in the planet buster powering up.
Knowing it was coming didnt save the mon cala cruiser in rotj. Plus, they would only be going for a single reactor, not planet busting. Enough to one shot any ship, but only enough to blow up like a continent.
Borg ships can also move at high relativistic speeds. There is no evidence that Star Wars ships have this capability outside of Legends, and absolutely no evidence that their weapons can track at this speed.
Besides, the Cube is irrelevant, they can beam all 3,000 drones aboard the Death Star and start assimilating people, then assimilate the Death Star, and go around with a vastly improved super-Sphere, with better shielding, better sensors, transwarp drive (meaning it isn't bound by Hyperlanes,) it can bypass blockades, and beam a few hundred thousand drones down to Rodia, or Naboo, or go right to Coruscant and start assimilating the galaxy's most populous planet.
The death star can target ships
The Death Star's main laser is only on one side. All the Cube has to do: attack on the opposite side.
i'm 99% sure the death star can turn around
@@willemboele2079 But not that quickly
@@KyuuAA i think it can turn around quickly enough to shoot it
@@willemboele2079 No way could the Death Star rotate fast enough to hit a Borg cube. The death Star's main weapon is useless against a much smaller ship like a Borg Cube.
Assuming, of course, it enters the fight out of the death stars firing arc, and it figures out the death star had a massive superlazer pointed at it before the death star fires, considering neither have any idea what the other has in store, only that it's a full on battle to the death.
One aspect of the argument which I don't think you've considered: when Starfleet overwhelmed the Borg Cube with numbers, they added variableness to their attack and defences: random frequencies of energy blasts, and same with shields. The Empire would be unaware of this strategy, and after being hit by numerous fighters, bombers, and being held in place by the Death Stars tractor beam for some time, the Borg would have adapted. After adapting, the Borg would send a scout team aboard the Death Star to begin assimilating crew. Again, a number of drones would likely be taken out by handheld blasters, but they would assimilate to that, and blasters would no longer be effective.
The Death Star command staff hears reports about the fight suddenly being ineffective, and that there is an invasion force aboard. He orders to fire the main weapon on the alien craft and calls back their TIE forces, while sending more numbers to fend off the invaders. The Borg detect that the TIEs retreat while drones aboard the Death Star encounter greater resistance. Then they detect the Death Star changing course to aim its large dish at the Cube, and detect energy aboard the Death Star building up in that area. Not having encountered this particular weapon before, but knowing basic military strategy, logic, and weaponry, they quickly figure out that something big and nasty would happen if that weapon should fire. They beam drones aboard the Death Star in those areas to investigate. These drones quickly overwhelm the firing crews and begin to interface with the consoles, shutting down the firing mechanisms.
You are aware ion weaponry is specifically designed to counter these types of opponents, right? The stormtroopers, thinking they're just weird droids/sentient hybrids, would set their weapons to either stun or ion. You can't adapt to a weapon designed to shut down your systems and all main weaponry in SW uses ion explosions on impact. Even if they find a way, setting the weapons to simply stun would shut down the sentient parts. A single ion rocket would not only shut down the borg cubes temporarily, but also allow the sentient parts to start fighting back against their slavers. Absolute chaos would erupt amongst the borg trying to figure out how it's happening and how to reestablish control over their fleshy bits. The stormtroopers would just do what they do best, mop up.
Also, you can't board if you don't know the frequency. And the standard accuracy amongst the Empire is 77%, no less. Also, it would take the borg a while to realize how the DS works, having never seen one before, or have we forgotten how many borg died to Species 8472 before finally realizing what they were doing wrong? Borg think one strategy works and never adapt their strategies unless a flat-out another army shows up to save the day. They tend to move in lines, like a turkey shoot, unless they see reason otherwise. Tends to take a while to realize just how varied the Empire can be at a given moment.
Remember, no plot armor for either side.
omg
it's a lolfest what can I say...
You are right on!
@@jpasby779 Well this is an antiquated battle going on since the 80s, right?
You got it completely wrong. The single most devastating weapon on a Borg cube is it's Nantes. By sending drones to the Death Star they can assimilate with near zero effective resistance. They are also far more maneuverable than the Death Star and can just keep the cube on a side with no Death Star planet laser. They don't even need to stay in the same system to still win. The battle would be over with the Death Star assimilated. Time for assimilation is irrelevant. Resistance is futile.
You neglected one major factor that works in the Borg's favor. The Borg can teleport their drones on board instantly and miles away. This is a technology that doesn't even exist in Star Wars, meaning they likely would have no defense to it. I agree the Borg Cube as far as the ship goes would likely be destroyed by the station's defense before they could overcome them, but without a Sith presence to counter the Borg boarding parties, I think they would eventually assimilate the entire station. And THAT is a terrifying thought indeed. O.o Because then resistance will truly be futile.
One other scenario that occurs to me. You are right about all those turbo lasers the Death Star has but everybody seems to forget those are spread across the entire surface!! It's a huge station, not all of it's defense systems can fire on the same target at the same time, and the closer you get to it the less lasers can target you. If the Cube could get close enough it could theoretically destroy the turbo lasers on that section of the Station's surface and keep their orbit synchronized to the turning of the station, keeping the Cube over that cleared section. Then all it has to worry about are the Tie-Fighters which would do some initial damage, certainly, but they would adapt. That leaves the question, could a thousand Tie-Fighters chop through a Borg Cube before the drones assimilated the entire station? And if a Borg assimilates a Stormtrooper, do they all take a hit to their accuracy? Food for thought.
"but without a Sith presence to counter the Borg boarding parties, I think they would eventually assimilate the entire station." - What would any Sith be able to do against 10,000 Drones? Or a 1,000,000?
Because, based on on-screen Canon, there is no doubts at all that the Borg Queen would sacrifice the entire Collective to get her hands on one Jedi or Sith. What's the loss of 10,000,000 Drones for the chance to assimilate Darth Vader?
Now that would be scary indeed - Borg Vader. O.O
I only brought them up as a possible counter as some force users are insanely powerful, some may even say impossibly so. While I think the Borg could adapt to Lightsabers, eventually, they never would be able to against the Force it's too ethereal and unpredictable. But even Vader has his limits and would tire eventually, given enough drones even the best force user would eventually succumb.
And that begs the question, could Vader defeat an entire Cube's worth of drones?
"And that begs the question, could Vader defeat an entire Cube's worth of drones?" - Maybe?
But how about 10 Cube's worth? Or 50? Or 500? Or the entire complement of Drones of 10,000 Cubes, attacking him simultaneously?
That is the thing about the Borg that non-Star Trek fans don't understand - The Borg have no issues with sacrificing 99.999999999% of the Collective to achieve their goal.
It takes only the Borg Queen to rebuild, the rest are expendable.
Yes, but this video was about 1 Cube vs the Death Star. Hence my question. :p
Sure... the first Cube most likely would be destroyed... But, the Borg Collective is almost always in contact with all parts - so the rest of the Collective, and the Borg Queen, would know instantly what had happened. But it wouldn't have the effect that the Empire hoped. Instead of being cowered, or intimidated, the destruction of one Cube would indicate to the Collective that they are facing an enemy that has technology that can be used to "enhance" the Borg, so they would send more Cubes to attack and assimilate whatever technology the Empire has.
And if, by chance, Darth Vader had been involved, and used his "Force" powers in the battle, that would have the effect of hanging a giant "PRIME TARGET" on his back. The Borg Queen would want him assimilated, at any cost.
The scenario I see, is the Death Star rapidly dispatching the Borg cube, then they celebrate, maybe pour through the wreckage to see what they were up against. Then Stormtroopers start going missing. By the time the Imperials realize that there is a Borg nest around their reactor, it may be too late. Thousands of stormtroopers and crew might have been assimilated, before they realize what's happening. Star wars blasters are likely not as powerful as Star Trek phasers. The only weapon of comparable power would be that disintegration rifle used by some bounty hunters like Boba Fett (referenced but not shown) and the Mandalorian. The Borg would likely adapt easily to Imperial blasters, I don't think the Imperials would have the mindset to figure out what's happening, and to adjust the the modulations of their weapons, for a while. This means many more Stormtroopers would get assimilated, before the Imperials wise up. If they can't get a Sith Lord to the Death Star, very fast, The Death Star would likely be completely assimilated, unless the crew order it's self destruction. For the Empire and the Galaxy as a whole, a whole new bucket of bad. How bad may be determined by whether Borgified force users can still use the force, provide force use to the entire collective, or if not, whether that can be imparted to the Borg queen, or higher ranking Borg. Even if Borg can't use the force, the ex Death Star, now turned to a giant Borg sphere would be extremely dangerous and would be a huge threat, not only the Empire, but the Rebel Alliance, and everyone else in the galaxy. And of course, if they relay the information back to the Borg in Star Trek's galaxy, things get even worse, here.
shooting down a small cube would not be celebrated
The name of the "Star Treck Galaxy" is Milky Way, you nightcap...
@@pablogr6960 Yo! The "small cube" is nearly twice as long as an imperial destroyer and has the volume of dozens of them, with 130.000 drones onboard...
@@melchiorvonsternberg844 of course dont get me wrong, the cube is huge, its just that compared with things like a planet like alderaan its not that big
@@pablogr6960 Okay... But do we really want to compare planets, or moons, to spaceships? Or does the crew of the Death Star think in categories more like fortress troops would?
Btw... Alderaan is stolen from Aldebaran, the brightest star in the constellation of Taurus, 67 light-years from us. Not particularly creative, like almost everything at SW...
Borg beam over to Death Star. Death Star assimilated. Oh boy....
But if Borg beamed it's thousand drones onto the DS could send it's 25000 stormtroopers to were the drones were ad boom DS WINS
LORD PANCAKE Borg drones don't just simply start attacking. Most would end up hiding while taking over computer systems with their nanites to gain as much information as possible, and even if the Borg Cube were somehow destroyed, the remaining drones would have enough knowledge to adapt to the troopers' weaponry and effectively assimilate the entire Death Star.
LORD PANCAKE with inferior blaster tec? No sorry borg addaptive shields would compensate for that after only losing a couple drones borg win
Star Wars weapons are actually plasma based and not laser based and as another of these sites already alluded, they wouldn't be able to adapt to them because they don't operate on a "frequency". Also the megaton damage of Star Wars weapons has been shown in their respective encyclopedias to have a MUCH greater yield than Star Trek weapons. Blaster Cannons have a higher energy output than photon torpedoes. Also everyone assumes the Borg just transport over to the Death Star and assimilate it immediately. You don't think the VASTLY superior number of troops on the Death Star can easily overwhelm them? Not to mention freakin' Darth Vader is on board the Death Star. Have fun assimilating the Force and Lightsabers.
I agree. R2 was able to access imperial systems at nearly any given terminal. R2 was even able to access door controls, deck plans, and details of tractor beam schematics. A single Borg Drone would be able to easily move between Decks and avoid Storm Trooper search parties much like Luke and Han did.
*Posted before watching* Personal opinion: The death star blows up the cube... and gets assimilated as the scout drones the cube beamed over start slowly taking over the ship, First Contact style.
*posted after watching* Opinion unchanged.
Ari Schwartz But the DS 1 was incapable of turning to destroy a moving ship, as it was intended to destroy planets, not ships. The Federation Sensors have a range around 10 Light Years, if I recall correctly. Borg tech is equal or even superior to the Federation counterparts. They would quickly beam drones into the DS, and assimilate droids, personnel, shut off life support, rendering everyone not assimilated and not in a life support suit dead, and those in a suit would be likely assimilated. The Borg would learn the locations of Imperial Outposts, worlds, and weaknesses. And the Empire is..... Well...... Doomed, along with the Universe. All hail the Borg MegaSphere!!!!
There's also the extremely high likelihood that the Borg would have already encountered the Imperials BEFORE reaching the DS, so they would have already have assimilated Imperial technology & any relevant information. This would give them a much better chance of survival than the video gives them.
You are wrong, before and after watching, scince nearly all weapons of the death star are lasers and lasers cant penetrate shields in star trek canon
he said that the cube hadn't met any imperials
For as detailed as this video was, I'm shocked you didn't even mention transporters.
Warp in, beam a few hundred quantum torpedoes into the Death Star, warp out. It would only take a few seconds. Or better yet, beam in drones instead of weapons. Come back in a few days and enjoy their brand new Borg Death Star.
I'm curious, for that to happen wouldn't the Death Star Shields need to be down?
LucianoSK yea every trekkie seems to not notice that. I thought star trek was about logic and shit
You can fly a ship through those shields. And I doubt they are modulated to block a transporter beam. To put it simply, they are completely inconsquential. Not to mention it has been shown before that the borg are pretty adept at beaming through shields on occasion.
"on occasion" soooo bad plot is an advantage now... alright
Star trek shields are significantly more broad than star wars shields. Things can fly through star wars shields. Star trek shields are solid. It is reasonable to believe that the shields in star wars are ineffective vs transporter technology. Especially borg transporter tech which could transport through federation shields somehow in Q who. Unless they didn't raise shields while they were being boarded.
Once Borg Drones beam onto the Death Star the battle is over.
But what is the max range of the Borg teleporters ? How many would have to teleported to assimilate the Death Star and how long would that take ? People think of firepower, not logistics.
Plus you can't beam through shields. Getting really tired of seeing this dumb argument everywhere.
@@EmpiricalPragmatist Same here, tired of the repetition that the Borg can do anything.
@@EmpiricalPragmatist Here is the thing though. In Star Trek, the Enterprise had its shields up and the Borg were still able to teleport through them. BUT what this really comes down to is this. In Star Wars there is no "Teleport Technology" So would the Death Star's shields be effective at keeping the Borg from teleporting onto the Death Star? A "Fan Boy" answer would be "OF COURSE!!!" but there is really no way of knowing since these are two totally different shows with different technology. Since Teleporting does not exist in Star Wars, the Death Stars shields may not be configured to stop such a thing, if that is the case and the Borg teleport 1,000 Drones onto the Death Star at dozens of locations the drones would quickly adapt to the firing of the Storm Troopers (assuming any of the Storm Troops actually hit the drones (lol), once they adapt and their weapons no longer do damage to the drones what then?
IF your reply is just going to be something like "Their Shields can block teleporting" then give "Logical" reasons as to why. Why would Star Wars Shields be able to stop teleporting when teleporting is not even a technology that exists in the Star Wars Universe.
@@EmpiricalPragmatist When the Enterprise D met the Borg the first time in the episode Q-Who, the Borg had no issues beaming through the Enterprise's shields. And those were Starfleet's shields, considered technologically superior to any kind of shields there exists in the Star Wars universe. Assimilating storm troopers will also be no issue, since the nanotubes can penetrate any alloy (as stated by Seven of Nine). And they can beam in from a pretty far distance, look at Star Trek First contact, the Sphere was destroyed, still the beamed several drones aboard the Enterprise E. The crew fought them, shot a few, but they adapted constantly to the weapons. So beaming 5,000 drones on board is no problem, staying away from that big laser is also no issue and those Starfighters do no possess enough firepower to damage the sphere. Also it has to be noted that for UNKNOWN reason in the episode Q-Who, the Borg decided to go hybernate in the middle of a battle. So their defenses were down and the Enterprise could shoot a few holes in the cube. Later on when they woke up their torpedo's had no effect. Sorry Star Wars fans, but despite the awesome size and firepower the Deathstar battleSTATION has it cannot be fast enough to target the cube, and once the drones are on board, everybody is doomed.
The Borg Cube is WAYYYY to agile for the Death Stars Super Laser to even hit!
Until it’s held in place by its tractor beam boom 💥 cube pieces all over the galaxy
It also has 10,000+ turbo lasers.
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Garomcfbgdd it will be done my lord
It would be more fair with BB-8, instead of R2-D2.
Not a bad suggestion if you ask me. R2-D2 has been called a trashcan a few times before, but Wall-E actually is a rolling trashcan.
A few points:
The borg had trouble adapting to species 8472 because they were unable to assimilate them due to their biology. With borg, once they assimilate you, you are screwed.
A cube would be much smaller than the Death Star, so would it be able to aim it's laser quicker than the Cube could manoeuvre?
I really can't see anyone in the Star Wars universe saying: "Admiral, they have adapted to our weapons. Shall we rotate weapon modulation?" Incidentally, this is how the Feds do so much damage to the Cube in the battle of Sector 001, not due to being overwhelmed. This was because Star Fleet's only weapon against the borg was guile and more importantly, the ability to change the frequency of their energy weapons. In the battle of Wolf 359, a Borg cube effortlessly destroyed 38(?) Federation STAR SHIPS (not little fighters) without being overwhelmed. I just don't think that the Tie fighters would have enough power to keep the pressure on the Borg. As for the turbo lasers on the DS, seems like they are point blank range. Kind of pointless actually. I don't know, not well illustrated in the movie. The borg wouldn't be able to do direct damage, though.
I think when it comes down to it, IF the DS is able to hit with it's planet killer, the Empire would win. If the borg are able to assimilate anything or better, get drones on-board the DS, they would win. After all, in the unlikely event that any storm troopers were able to hit any drones, after a few shots the Borg would adapt and that would be that. If you had a sith lord on the DS, it might be a different story though, as Borg are useless against melee and of course against the force.
Disagree with the force comment as according to star wars the force is "an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together."
So they might have a way to defend against it since energy is what they use for repairing their ship and injured borg (see voyager unity episode) which is an awful lot like the force just not as forceful, no pun intended.
As for melee, it doesn't matter how good they are with melee, the borg are like zombies, take one out and 3 more show up. Even the best that have trained in melee can quite quickly be overwhelmed by sheer numbers alone.
When that's taken into account with every thing else you said, even with a DS, the empire would be screwed...
The death star was shooting down ships no problem in rotj and Rogue1
Imagine if the borg assimilated a Sith
I never knew Star Trek looked so good😍 I'm impressed.
I completely agree save for one point unless the Death Star is one built after the first destroyed one because of a design flaw. The Borg can scan and quickly see weaknesses. They would almost instantly know via the Star Trek level scan that dropping a single torpedo down that little port will blow it into radioactive dust.
Yeah, but have you watched dorkly?
actually if they did that, the explosion from the death star let out the same amount of force that the moon crashing into the earth would be. so then they both become radioactive space dust and it will be a tie
They couldn't make it to the port, the only reason Luke did it was because of ridiculous plot armor and the force.
@@gabrielherman3004 That is why in star trek you jump to warp after firing the torpedo in this way you dont blow up from the enemy reactor breach.
I personally would like to add my two cents to the fight and a couple of details you overlooked.
One the Torpedoes that were used to destroy the borg cubes during the the final Voyager episode came from the future from a far more advanced Federation.
2nd it's true that the fleet at sector 0 0 1 completely demolished that borg Cube however you have to remember Picard had a strong link to the collective still. and was able to pinpoint the cube's weakness and destroy it within a matter of seconds. Had nothing to do with their sheer firepower.
Now when it comes to fire superiority yes the Death Star could destroy the borg Cube in one-hit assuming of course it can catch it.
I don't believe the death-stars tractor beams would be much effective against a borg cube maybe for a couple minutes but not long enough for the Death Star too faced the cube directly. Eventually their Shields would modulate to escape the tractor beam. even if the Death Star did have enough time to destroy the ship I think it's important to note that they would likely transport all of their drums on the Death Star. Generally the borg have between 60,000 to 120,000 drones. and the Death Star only has a personnel around 600,000 and 100000 of them are stormtroopers.
Personally I don't believe the firepower of the Tie fighters nor the turrets on the Death Star surface would do any damage to the cube. I know you said you don't want to get into fire power when it comes to different franchises but in reality the firepower and shielding's in Star Trek are far more Superior.
Even if they were effective I don't believe it would last very long. And we also have to keep in mind that the Borg Cube are very maneuverable in combat, they're really not as slow as you claim they are and they have deadly weapons, specially for tactical cubes.
They also have transport capabilities. And scanning capabilities. Eventually the death star's weakness would be discovered real fast.
In truth the real Victor of this battle is the Borg.
Lastly it's true each of the individual drones do not have any sense of independency however the say that they're mindless is kind of a false statement. because they are a collective consciousness of many individuals and they can coordinate and they are very smart.
I wouldn't lowball them like that
Well said
i think you are right about ship vs ship here, but i think its also very likely some borg would transport onto the deathstar and would very quickly assimilate the entire crew. even a single borg would be almost certain victory. the borg wont care that their cube was destroyed, they will eventually possess the deathstar itself.
Gee Smack Joey Pads the cube would be destroyed before that even comes to their thoughts.
Gee Smack Joey Pads oh and do you even know many stormtrooper are stationed inside the death star? ATLEAST a million! Surely more.
that would translate to a million new drones lol the deathstar would not be able to lock the super laser on the cube the borg would detect the laughably long firing sequence and just move out of the way they only need to move a few inches if the deathstar is the size of a small moon
MTG Degree okej. 1. Agh. You trekies. Star wars is better in every way. Deal with it.
2. A MILLION??? Million"S"
3. Move a bit?? The Borg know jackshit about the supet laser. They wont just move out of the way.
4. They must get into "Transporter range" they wont in time. Why?? The Empire will know that borg are hostile. The borg might enter the galaxy from the unknown regions or outer rim. Whatever the case, The Death Star will not be the first contact.
5. The death star is just too powerful. The cubes are just spaceships but The Death Star is a Spase STATION. It didn't just got the name. It literally is a death star. It can destroy the cube with the lowest setting.
6. Oh and if borg "beam" ( so dum) abord they will all be killed. How? Well from what I have seem in star trek, they adapt to " frequencies" not fire power. From what i have seen i think i can kill as many borgs as i want with a hmg and they wont adapt to it. Same here. There is no Frequency talk for guns. No lasers, no proton torpedoes. Non of that nonsense. So lets say at most 100 borgs vs millions of beings who have armour greater than anything they have seen. With weapons they can't adapt to. Let us say if Vader was there too. If he was there not even a 1000 borgs could have won. Let us also add the most powerful sith lord of history, no not bane. Im talking about Darth Sidious, but we all know sheev won't be there but anyway!! Lets just say Anny is in the station. The cube is destroyed with the lowest setting.
At most there are 100 borgs beamed aboard the station but i think thats rare cuz before they just beamed 2 at most or 10 maybe ANYWAY! There is 100 borgs vs millions of HEAVY armoured and armed beings. In white AND One guy in black. Not to mention the guy in black has the force. Something the borgs will never understand and will never adapt to. Why? The borgs are not organic. From what i have seen.
the borg will adapt resistance is futile, and if were getting crazy adding dead sith then the borg queen and a million cubes will drop out of transwarp on the back side of the deathstar where the laser cant get them lol then beam 10 million drones in and assimilate the deathstar in about 47 seconds
The Borg would beam over and begin assimilation immediately.
So... The DS2 have energy shield which is literally makes beaming impossible and also the death star have a massive thick armor I mean at least 10 kilometer wide
@kristof.demeter It depends on the type of shield they are running. Not all shields are the same. Some protect against projectiles, and others protect against particle beam weapons.
i would say a better comparison would be the Death STar and the Borg Tactical Cube since both are the the top ships of both parties. The Cube would be compared to the Star Destroyer since both ships are the main bodys of the respective fleets
krunsch true but the tactical is more like an executor. I don't think the borg really have an equivalent of the death star. Maybe a fleet?
That's because the Borg don't need giant moon sized vessels to destroy planets. In Scorpion part 2, it's clearly stated that the Borg have the capacity to build bombs capable of destroying solar systems in one go.
Destroy a system? how wasteful... but yes they could. The real question is would they want to.
I know just about everyone already thought or posted something to this effect:
Upon encountering the Death Star, the Borg would immediately realize the necessity of assimilating its crew, technology and military power. No need to consult the queen to draw that conclusion.
Battling the Death Star is irrelevant as well as futile.
You vastly underestimated the cube's maneuverability compared to the death star. As long as it stayed out of its small firing ranger it could take it over through other means.
That 50.000 turbolaser says otherwise
Borg cube has warp capability. It could warp in @ close range, and collide with the death star at a manageable speed embedding itself into the Death star. The drones would quickly assimilate the death star. Maybe not upon first encounter, but definitely after.
i hadnt thought of them using the Riker Maneuver. RAMMING SPEED!
If there were multiple Borg Cubes, the Borg would eventually adapt and be able to successfully defend against the Death Star. It was like this with Transphasic Torpedoes, too. The Federation wanted only a small number of ships to carry Transphasic Torpedoes, because they knew the Borg would eventually adapt if exposed to the weapon too much. It's also important to remember the Borg did successfully defeat Species 8472 after the Federation improved the Borg nanotechnology in a way that made it so the Borg nanotechnology could overpower the immune system of Species 8472.
Michael Zoran there is only I fucking both cube no 2 or 3
This scenario debatable since the Borg adapt to the same frequency of the energy that they are being hit with and from my guess it takes the energy that is being absorbed into it and is eventually able to displace it. Where a regular shield would be damaged. However I also think that if it is being hit with overwhelming power it would overload the Cubes that have adapted giving it too much power to cycle through its power system.
I am just giving my logical guess as to how the Borg eventually take no damage due to frequency modulations. I think the Death Star could blow up a cube no matter how many times the Borg have dealt with it. Their solution is to build a Mega Cube with a power sources that can handle such and immense charge. If they are capable of building something like that then they could win, but who knows.
The Borg adaptability has limits. They might shrug off turbolasers, but even if a cube adapts to the Death Star's superlaser, it would probably be for naught. Remember, species 8372 had a weapon very similar to the Death Star's superlaser. It just overwhelmed the Borg's shields. A doomsday machine would probably work very similarly.
Yeah that's complete nonsense. If you can say that, then Palpatine would reach would with the Force from across the galaxy and crush the Borg Queen into small cube. The "adapt" thing is just stupid, even in a science fiction setting.
Christobanistan Pathetic rationalization. And Wars isn't SciFi. its science fantasy. Beaming is far more ridiculous and silly than the force. Interstellar civilization in Wars has been around for over 10 thousand years so by your logic that would make the empire vastly more advanced than the federation or your precious Borg.
borg: "Hmm.. We haven't encountered these guys before, but let's assume that huge weapon-looking thing on the death star is bad, and let's not fly in front of it."
I imagined many of these tactical Borg having formerly served in Starfleet, Klingon, Romulan, Cardassian, Hirogen, Breen & other military services! That immense collective tactical database confronted by a new ship with a single major weapon. Yeah, the video really messed up by not understanding where drones come from!!
@@cathyvickers9063 And you are also not knowing how Star Wars weapons and tactics work
I think the borg would just scan the death star and torp the vent. KABOOM!
Ez Valentine That's what I was thinking. The Borg would eventually successfully beam a drone inside and tap into a computer and get that information. BTW the Deathstar had more fire power than Luke's ship. Did that help it? Drop the mic.
J Campezzi If they got a drone on board they'd assimilate the deathstar eventually.
Would take a bloody long time though...
So you're comparing a plot armored hero to the thing he was fighting? I recommend you shove that mic back down your throat, because that's lazy beyond all reason
borg are like a virus, once is starts, it doesn't take long to overtake... one becomes two, two becomes four, four becomes eight... and so on... in a matter of hours they would have taken over half the star
thats true
I agree that the Death star wins most of the time due to the superlaser, but if it misses or isn't charged and the borg manage to board with more than a couple drones the Borg will win. NOT by destroying the death star, but assimilating it.
At 2:48 You say the borg cube was 3000 km wide. Which version are you referring too? most Borg cubes were just 3 Kilometers wide high and long according to most sources I have seen.
Yes, thatshould be 3000 meters, I always flub that one. Thanks!
EckhartsLadder Yeah, I have goofed that one up more than a few times myself. Thank you for taking the time to do these videos!
Thank you for takingthe time to comment!
and they both lived happily ever after...
They are so cute!
I suspect the Death Star would win first time round but the the Borg would likely win battles after that because of the adaptability, also the Borg could easily transport 10,000 Borg over to the Death Star creating chaos and with how quickly the Borg shields adapt to weapon fire, they would be able to do a lot of damage and learn a lot of the weaknesses of the Death Star. So even though the Death Star would likely win the first battle, I think the Borg would adapt quickly and win most if not all the rest of the battles, we are also talking one Borg cube and a standard borg cube at that, the Borg have more powerful and bigger ones plus a lot more of them.
Paul, the Borg sensors would undoubtedly alert them to the danger posed by the super laser. Whether or not they could evade it long term is debatable but irrelevant as soon as there was an imminent threat to the Cube the Sphere would launch and begin assimilating the DS. They could beam a pilot aboard for assimilation to learn about Imperial tech then send a few dozen drones onto the DS.
The assimilation would likely take weeks assuming the Empire didn't self destruct the Death Star but eventually most of the crew would be drones.
Dont forget Troopers inability to EVER hit their target to begin with...
Not saying your wrong here but I think you are forgetting a few advantages the borg would have over the Death Star 1) The Borg's hive mind or possible Queen's leadership. 2) The cubes high powered and long range sensors giving (at least a small chance) the Borg the ability to find the flaws in the Death Star before engaging and making them fully aware of the Death Star's primary weapon's possible capabilities . 3) and possibly the most powerful advantage of the Borg have over the Death Star. The Borg have long range transporter technology. With such a large target and long range, it would not be that hard to transport scouts (as in Q who) only in several locations on the surface from long distance (not needing to breath) or inside the Death Star in a strafing run. Worse comes to worse, they pull a 'First Contact' and transport, assimilate, sabotage, and destroy from with in before the engagement truly begins. Just a thought.
Raven - Visyual Encyclopedias for BOTH franchises are your friend... YOU ARE WRONG!
1) Hive Mind Borg Queen - Not an Advantage against a foe they have never encountered! Also Star Trek has flawed Science... Sorry but much as I am a fan, The idea that somehow teh Hive mind works faster than any thing else is fundamentally flawed and proven wrong by Science!!!
2) The Cubes High Powered and Long Range Sensors - VASTLY OUTMATCHED by those on the Death Star (CANON! Visual Encyclopedias for BOTH... The Borg are LESS able than the Death Star... Sorry but its facts!)
And 3) Long Range Transporter Technology - Ummmmmmm... Star Trek itself has pointed this out... UNLESS the Borg can accurately Scan the death star... They are going to transport drones into solid METAL! So the first Contact Scenario... Possible but not as easy as you think!
BUT - There IS an advantage the Borg do have and EVERYONE has IGNORED IT!!!
I normally avoid these videos as - Like I said, I love BOTH franchises... But every time one of these videos appears - its all the Trekkie Fan Boys screaming YOU ARE WRONG! TREK IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER!
Yeah, well if Trek is so good - How come it makes serious Science Mistakes ... It would be forgivable in star wars as thats Science FANTASY... (In other words its bollocks The Bible rewritten as a Space Opera!!!) but Trek is SCIENCE FICTION... It relies on Scientific Facts to make it Believable!!!
Like I said, I love em both... But as such I will also call them both out where they get it wrong!
There is one fatal flaw in your argument...
"UNLESS the Borg can accurately Scan the death star... They are going to transport drones into solid METAL!" - Which the Borg would do instantly, regardless the number of Drones lost, if it meant *ONE* Drone makes it through to start the assimilation process.
So, 500 Drones transport... odds are at least one of those Drones will not materialize inside a wall, and once that single Drone arrives the Borg Cube will have good coordinates for the following waves of Drones to transport.
+looneyburgmusic How do the borg transport drones? Do they use an alternate dimension or something?
That was not actually explained... Some type of advanced quantum transporter I would guess...
Death star is strategically faster than any star trek ship, being hypercapable. It also has much longer sensor range. it also has FIGHTERS and does not allow unknowns near it, unless it matches those found running from a particular spaceport. I don't see the threat that the borg can do that an assault team with thermal detonators would not also cause.
Star trek shows the borg to be completely incompetent, how could they win?
Worf: "Ramming speed!"
Death Star Commander: Ramming speed
"But my Lord! We're aboard a space station! Ramming speed is like a brisk jog!"
@@AndrewD8Red More like a brisk walk with Star Wars sublight propulsion technology.
the borg had teleport technology all they had to do was transfer some borgs onto the deathstar and hey presto they would start assimalting the death star
you mean transport on to the ship they didn't have teleports in Star Trek
and given the shaky nature of star wars shielding I doubt it would present much of an issue to beam through.
Transporters don't go through shields and can't go through thick solid matter. DS is shielded and has armor hundreds of feet tick. No go for transporters. Sorry.
Shh, yeah but we aren’t discussing about infantry fight genuis, we are talking about ship vs ship, teleporting and anything else to do with infantry doesn’t count
Christobanistan No it wasn't the shield, star wars shielding doesn't protect below the energy field
My thoughts:
1. The first Death Star can't aim fast enough to target normal battleships (This is an improvement of the second Death Star).
2. The Borg wouldn't destroy the Death Star, they would just beam some Drones done in an unprotected area and assimilate the whole station with the Nanodrones. The Cube would have serious trubels staying alive, but it shows near Indestructability when fighting against an enemy it has adepted to.
3. Also only a few hundred Turbolasers could attack the cube at a time, simply because there are always some on the other side. I don't think the Turbolasers shown in the Starwars movies are able to deal any serious damage before the cube adepts
the sexy pick is obviously the death star however the realistic pick is the cube. the assumption made in the video is that the death star is fully charged and somehow the borg cube is facing it rather than on the opposite side of the station in which it's forced to turn around to get a shot off. Using Star Trek episode Best of Both Worlds Part 2, you see the Borg one shotting Federation defense fighters without missing a beat. We can probably assume that most tie fighters would get swatted in no time. In addition, another major point was omitted in the video - the tie fighters would be launched from the station first and engage the borg. Just from that engagement alone, the Borg would have had an opportunity to adapt to the Imperial Weapon Fire and nullify it. You could make the argument that Tie Fighter/ship weaponry would be similar in technology to what the Death Star uses. Another point to consider is that a weapon does not need to be fired on the borg for it to adapt to it - case in point, Best of Both Worlds Part 2 when the Borg ship just brushed off the Enterprise main disruptor beam. Now, if we go exactly what the video is portraying, Borg ship arrives (facing death star), death star launches fighters, powers up, fighters engage, death star fires, blows up main ship, smaller circle borg cube launches and lands on Death Star. Then we have a Borg Death Star. And another thing to consider, how many borg drones would be needed to land on the Death Star before it caused trouble? One? Two? Thousands wouldn't be needed. All it would take is for one drone to adapt and there's nothing the imperial army can do to stop it.
what if Vader and sidious were on the death star
death star is pretty friggin big - and once they have access to the station, it's pretty much over. And we haven't even talked about the drones taking Imperial Troopers and converting them into even more drones (which is seen in Star Trek First Contact)
Well in that case it would depend on how many drones the cube got onto it....because if they somehow manage to assimilate a force user....the multiverse is screwed.
how exactly are a handful of drones meant to take over a whole deathstar? even if a sphere were to beam over it's whole compliment (unlikely seeing as the borg have never demonstrated the ability to transport anything like that number so we're talking a few dozen at most before the sphere is obliterated) it took them ages to overwhelm the crew of the enterprise E and starfleet infantry are a joke, what chance do they stand against a proper military with a wider array of weapons?
it's been demonstrated that borg "adaptation" isn't foolproof and can be overwhelmed with enough firepower, sure a couple troopers might have a problem but a whole squad filling a corridor with blaster fire and grenades (not to mention any support weapons like e-webbs and missile launchers) the borg don't stand a chance especially without much ranged support and moving like molasses
there's far more troopers on the death star than borg, assimilating troopers won't help if the empire doesn't relent long enough to convert them to drones (assuming the other troopers don't simply shoot the "infected" ones immediately)
Chris Zilli I feel like the Death Star would win. It can travel through hyperspace which is much faster than warping, because it is a different dimension with a different scale. And a single core ignition could easily destroy something the size of the borg cube as we saw in Rogue One. So a little more power and it would probably punch through any shields.
Even in the early days of Kerk's Enterprise, they were able to go up against ships with the firepower to destroy a planet. (The space ice cream cone of death.) By the Next Generation, they had torpedoes that would destroy a star. Additionally, I don't think the Death Star could turn as quickly as a cube could maneuver. The cube would just get behind the Death Star and hack away at it. One additional thing, it was cannon in the Star Trek universe that lasers were completely ineffective against Federation shields. Even the navigational shields they used to protect against random space junk could stop lasers.
I suspect that Kerk's TOS ship would have a very hard fight against the Death Star. By TNG, two cadets could take it out with a shuttle.
Drones get on DS, adapted to blasters, start assimulting the ship... An assimilated death star is a scary thought, that flaw would surely be fixed
It isn't a flaw, the exhaust ports exist to prevent the Super laser from overheating!
Wait, the Borg Cube was 3,000 kilometers along each side?
2:48
Then it's bigger than the DS who's canonical size is 160 Kilometers in width.
An error on Eck's part. He said kilometers instead of meters, and a Borg Cube does happen to be 3,000 meters a side.
Gotchya
All the borg has to do is hit a 2 meter wide exhaust port
dmcepeda at a near impossible to hit spot in a trench
That thing wasn't even fully payed off yet!
That's dependent on them knowing about it, which they likely wouldn't.
Yeah but there are literally enough of them to walk around the death star until they find it
Meanwhile, the death star is blowing up the cube in a single shot.
Best way to win as the cube: get lucky enough to appear somewhere other than within the death star's firing arc. Then approach with full speed and defense up, and adapt to the turbolasers so that it can last long enough to ram the death star and board it. Or, if Star Wars shields don't block teleport, then just send everyone aboard (including any non-drones they may or may not have, though I don't seem to recall borg using small vehicles much) as soon as you get a transport lock and let the borg cube's control AI just fuddle around being a nuisance for as long as it can while the drones and whatever else gets teleported aboard generally just becomes a nightmare for everyone aboard the soon to be Borg Death Sphere.
Though it honestly would not surprise me if they didn't just outright dismantle the superlaser and use its components (namely, the rare parts like those khyber crystals) to make a bunch of smaller, weaker superlasers that they have pointing all over the place so that it can shoot capital ship one-shotting beams in ALL directions. Destroying planets is stupid after all.
Can't assimilate what we blow up. Better to just be able to shoot everywhere, and to be able to do so at variable power levels so we can figure out just what % of the total weapon's power we need to just blow up enough of a ship to capture and examine the rest. Also, who left this stupid straight reactor exhaust port leading all the way to the surface all nice and exposed at the end of a trench?! Or was that their failsafe in case someone ever captured their shiny sphere and they needed to destroy it? Well tough beans. We fixed it.
Remember, the exhaust port was intentionally left there by Galen Erso so that it could be destroyed.
Death Star is shielded so is virtually invulnerable to transporting over. Frankly short of another Death Star taking on said Death Star, it is virtually impossible to imagine anything that would to quote a certain Admiral, "repel firepower of that magnitude", ever being able to take on the Death Star by sheer force. The only tactic appears to be exploiting the weakness of taking out the central reactor, assuming one can get to it in a small ship, and utilising distractions etc. The Borg, or anyone else, be it Starfleet, the Imperial Fleet, the Rebel Scum etc, cannot simply turn up and expect the Death Star to also not start firing on them. It has defence turrets across its surface as well. But the super laser is going to be a massive issue since anything it strikes will be incinerated. I would love to see the Independence Day aliens come back in a sequel and the mothership is just wiped out in one shot by the Humans who have built a Death Star (I think the laser should be enough firepower to get through the damn shields that seemed strong in Resurgence). The Borg could in theory assimilate the Rebels, and adapt their tactics. They roll up to the Death Star in an assimilated captured Star Destroyer, transmit security clearance, and get close enough to ram perhaps. The thing is you'd probably need several Cubes to ram the Death Star to be able to board it. Of course, the Borg don't care about casualties, so it's possible, but would require an overwhelming amount of resources. Only way Starfleet could probably defeat the Death Star is by using a Phased Cloak on an Enterprise like ship to get into the middle, materialise and then "let's blow this thing and go home!"
@@darkjediknight2923 Very nicely recognized! However, you wouldn't use a ship there, but an anti-matter guided missile that would rush into the DS, materialize and then immediately detonate. They wouldn't notice anything and would practically die in their "sleep"...
The enterprise could blow up the a planet. The cube stumped them. The cube wins.
x wing vs death star
I think we both know the way this would end. No Rebel Intel means that the port isn't known about, meaning that it's an Imperial Win. If the port IS known about, it will play out the same way as A New Hope.
But that's entirely dependent on the factors of how many x wings there are. If only one. like in x wing vs death star... well... And if the pilot was manned by a capable force wielder. or a really really skilled pilot
+LaurenTyler not really. If the x wing pilot is not a force user than he wouldn't be able to make the shot. Those targeting computers are really crappy. Hell a singe x wing wouldn't even get close enough to take the shot. It took an incredible set of circumstances to defeat the first death star.
Good point. I forgot completely about the Space Magic BS. Okay, Even if they had the Intel, unless it was the insane luck of A New Hope, it would be most likely still be an Imperial Win.
It's not that the targeting computers were crappy, it's that the Death Star was jamming them with the result that their targeting computers couldn't actually see the target. The X-wings were probably targeting a known coordinate using their navigation system rather than aiming at the exhaust port itself.
Before the attack runs:
Red Five: "My scope's negative. I don't see anything."
Red Leader: "Keep up your visual scanning. With all this jamming, they'll be on top of you before your scope can pick them up."
First X-wing attack-run:
Red Ten: "We should be able to see it by now."
Red Leader:
Red Ten: "There's too much interference!"
Second X-wing attack-run:
Red Two: "My scope shows the tower, but I can't see the exhaust port! Are you sure the computer can hit it?"
Interestingly earlier the Y-wings indicated that they could see the target with their sensors, which suggests either that the Death Star increased their jamming in that sector when they realised what the Rebels were up to or that the Y-wings have better targeting sensors that the X-wings. Shame they never got the chance to shoot.
Gold Leader: "The exhaust post is... ...marked and locked in!"
later,
Gold Leader: "Switching to targeting computer."
Gold Two: "Computer's locked. Getting a signal."
The cube gets within transporter range.
At least a few drones beam over.
The cube is destroyed.
The Borg still win.
Yeah but shields don’t allow teleportation in Star Trek so I guess it’s the same in star wars
@@reentrysfs6317 It has been established in Star Trek canon that the Borg are easily able to beam through shields.
@@TopGunCrew it’s a if about Star Wars shields though
@@TopGunCrew good point
Good luck with that 60.000 highly trained soldier they are not some random crew in the Enterprise... If still they adapt to every weapon in the DS if 10 stormtrooper starts shooting in the same time the drones shield would go down. And they maybe can Beam 1000 drones and nothing more
I know this is an old video, but the point I would like to make is, after the Borg have made their initial scan of the Death Star, all they have to do is use the destruction of the cube as a destraction while they beam themselves on board and then it will be over.
Even if it was possible, the Death Star would be too much of a prize for the Borg to want to destroy.
The Borg have assimilated thousands of star systems and species, I highly doubt anything the Empire has is new to them. The cube can have 78% destroyed and keep going, repairing itself on the move.The Borg have been shown easily transporting drones through every kind of shield. They also have long range missiles that where capable of destroying Federation ships with ease when they crossed Mars orbit. The scene you show of the Federation doing heavy damage to a cube happened after many years of specific development and research, even then if it wasn't for Jean Lucs knowledge from when he was assimilated, they never would have won. The Death star has NONE of that going for it.
Unless the Borg cube arrives right after the Deathstar has spent hours charging up it's main weapon and by chance happened to be right in the path of the weapon AND if the Borg hadn't already encountered said weapon in one of the thousands of other civilizations it had already kicked ass of and had defences against it, the Deathstar might stand a small chance of winning.
The Death Star doesn’t take hours to charge its main weapon though. Only a matter of seconds or at the most a minute.
I have minor doubts...
Epic mismatch. Borg cube moves at 1/4 light speed at impulse. The weapons on the death star would not even be able to hit it even once. The Borg are not going to park in front of a super laser. They will know it is there, and know when it is charging. They have sensors that make star wars sensors look like binoculars compared to radar.
Just some musings.
You're omitting a borg primary tactic, in that they would beam aboard the DS and begin assimilating the crew instantly.
Also, the cube is not slow or in agile in any means. It's Canonically faster than any Federation vessel.
“Canonically”…in a series where canon is thrown out the moment some absurd treknobabble solution is needed because the plot demands it.
I cant think of a situation where the super laser would come into play. The planet killer of species 8472 was based around small ships and could likely be used on small targets like a borg cube where as the superlaser has no real capacity to aim at anything smaller than like...a landmass. Its fairly unlikely it could hit the cube with that. On top of that 10s of thousands of drones teleporting onto the death star would be game over for the death star in a few hours. The borg woudnt even really need to fight for the cube. Just teleport en mass to the death star and end the battle right there. Soon they would a borg modified death star. Hell assimilating the stormtroopers would only be borderline necessary. Just assimilate the droids and the station itself. game over.
Either way though they arent in the same weight class. The Borg cube is not the military flagship of the borg collective, that would be the Tactical cube which is bigger, better armored, better shielded, and would have more tactical drones. Which would have not much of a problem taking down a star wars ship. Not because one is more powerful but because star wars has no real protection against teleporting enemies. This is because the only teleporters in star trek belonged to the infinite empire of the Rakata and was not common during the galactic civil war or even the new republic.
Basically borg would just drop drones into the death star and take over the ship. Woudnt be much of a chance for all the star wars turbolasers to do much to stop the fight.
The Borg's only chance is to transport a force of drones over to the Death Star and assimilate it from within. If, however, the Death Star fires first, even just a single reactor ignition, the Death Star wins hands down. No contest.
I have a feeling the Borg would eventually create a mega cube that would annihilate the Death Star. The Borg is nothing like anything the Empier have encountered. They are not like the Alliance. At first the Empire would blow the Borg away but once the Borg adapt its lights out. Its more of a slow burn here. I think eventually the Borg would destroy the Empire. They are just too relentless and detached. The Borg could care less about the concepts of good or evil, force etc. With the Borg your not dealing with these concepts. They just want conquest period.
Motivation, the force or frankly any gimmicks of either side barely matter in the case of the Empire, the problem here is one of sheer scale. The Empire is literally a Galactic Scale Civilisation, (clue is in the name, Galactic Empire), which rules over millions upon millions of inhabited worlds, while the Borg as I recall, only control a few thousand. The Empire has enough resources that if it was required, they could simply drown the Borg in ISDs, which may individually not be a match for a cube after the Borg after they adapt somewhat, but numbers and sheer brute firepower will simply grind the Borg down over time. Yes, the Empire has never fought an adversary like the Borg, but the Borg have also never encountered an enemy with the sheer numbers, resources, firepower and drive that the Empire brings to the table.
Yuhzong vong
From range, the death star would probably win every time. Best way for the Borg to win would be to warp in extremely close, so that the death star couldn't target it with the superlaser, and couldn't bring more than a handful of turbolasers to bear against the cube. From there, the cube only has to weaken the death stars shields enough to transport the drones onboard. The Stormtroopers onboard wouldn't only get a few shots before the drones adapted.
The only chance the Garrison would have of repelling the drones would be if Vader or Sidious were present. While the drones could possibly adapt to lightsaber strikes, they'd have no chance against force abilities
Bay the way, one thing you forgot to mention is that the Borg Cube's weapons are also adaptable, being able to bypass most defensive systems. Also, at sector 001, the Federation was employing Akira, Defiant, Saber, Steamrunner, and Sovereign class's vessels, which were specifically designed to combat the Borg. That's why the cube wasn't nearly as effective as it was at Wolf 359
Have you seen stormtroopers manage to actually hit their targets first time? No. Nor me...
it all depends on the first shot from the DS. if it misses or even 1 drone gets transported on board, game over. weve seen at least 2x where the borg assimilate a ship quickly and relatively sneakily. and they target core systems first. power, weapons, life support, shields, bridge, all main targets for borg assimilation tactics
I'm surprised that none of the comments I've read mention an explicit line in TNG about how laser-based weapons couldn't even penetrate the Enterprise D's navigational shields, much less their actual deflectors. I don't think the Death Star's turbolasers are even a consideration, and the TIE fighters absolutely aren't.
You're assuming that laser technology is the same in both galaxies. Although both series reference "laser" in describing weapons, we see that "lasers" in the Star Wars universe are quite different from those in Star Trek.
A Star Trek laser is just what we call a laser, amplified and concentrated light. A laser is Star Wars is something more akin to a particle beam. They just called it laser because it was easy and Star Wars is space opera where realism isn't necessary for world building. If a lightsabers were actually made of light, they would just pass through one another and would have very different affects on durasteel and flesh. Don't take things at face value when judging the Star Wars galaxy as far as naming conventions are concerned. (Do also keep in mind that the yield of a turbolaser blast can be measured in kilotons.)
timeshifter08 Star Wars blasters and turbolasers and such are more along the lines of magnetically bottled plasma, like Stargate’s staff weapons and Ha’tak ship weapons.
season 2 episode 4 - approaches and locks lasers on the Enterprise. The crew is amused, since firing lasers on a Starfleet ship would be about as effective as spitballs.- also, season 4 episode 4- suddenly human, enterprise is being threatened by a Talarian ship that has lasers, worf say's 'lasers?? they are NOT a threat' - its been long established that the star trek universe has far surpassed laser technology.
@@mremington8 See my previous reply.
Borg cube is 3km by 3km by 3km. You said it was 3,000km
Chase VanHecke he meant meters
Yeah, I meant meters! Glad people are listening :)
Glad you are man enough to admit a mistake, a failing many seem to have these days. Keep up the good work
the Borg cube in sector 001 took damage but was still operational because they didn't know where the weakness of the cube was until Picard came along. besides, the cube is pretty fast, and can maneuver quickly, so it is possible for the cube to move out of the superlaser. now this one that I am about to talk about will be unlikely, but the drones can teleport over to the death star, hide in the station, assimilate stormtroopers, and possibly take control of the death star, like they did on the USS enterprise e in first contact
I should've read your comment before posting mine, you said almost everything I did in about a quarter of the words
Bismark 24 not to mention it was something of a suicide mission, intended to deliver the sphere to the spacetime coordinates to enable it to go back and prevent first contact. The cube itself was expendable. Also, this was a fresh encounter a few years after the battle of Wolf 359, giving the federation time to improve weapons technology and giving the Borg something they'd never seen before.
Fundamentally, this is a poor comparison, because the Death Star is the one of a kind weapon, then there was another, but the output equal to that of tens of thousands of Borg cubes. A clear of cubes would overwhelm. This is like saying since the Chippeawa Indians used two man canoes and the United States uses an aircraft carrier and both are called ships . . . . Assimilation would occur, even I'd all drones were killed. A dead drone or several would be collected by the Empire, the drones would recover, infect and move on. The only issue is does the Borg lose a cube before it gains the Empire's most deadly weapon and assimilate the Empire? Once a cube was lost . . . Once a Death Star was lost . . . . Again favoring Borg.
I remember seeing once, that the Death Star was designed as a mining machine. And was easily adapted as a war machine. The main laser was to reduce a planet to manageable size pieces for refining for valuable materials.
Shawn Conell it wasn’t built as a mining machine dumb ass. Fuck off stop making up lies
Death Star wins, Empire loses. While the laser is charging to destroy the cube in a single shot while delivering their standard ultimatum, one drone beams aboard, and starts assimilating the space station.
Doubt one both will assimilate everyone
@@mider9996 One borg disables local internal sensors and begins assimilating a section. Then there is more borg that assimialte more. Rinse, repeat, until a entire Deathstar is assimilated.
Remember they pulled *this exact trick* on the Enterprise E. Who knew what they were up against, had Picard hearing the hivemind, thus could react very quickly and allowing the Unique entity "Data" to lock the main computer. The only thing given the DS a edge, would be Vaders Force Precognition. But that one might not catch up on the few drones until they reached critical mass.
And I Doubt Star Wars Blasters can be easily remodulated to overcome borg drone shielding with Storm troopers not having th best melee trainig - so thanks for sending all those unarmed enemies against us to assimilate!
Even Vader would have a problem with being overwhelmed after a day or two, his lightsaber being stopped by the shields, his TK propably adapted too, hs entire army turning into the enemies army.
The borg are like a intelligent Zombie Plague that can becomme immune to every weapon or tactic you got!
@@christopherg2347 why wouldn’t a storm trooper team just shoot the one borg...then it’s over
Also if they have a variety of weapons like flame throwers slug throwers etc the borg wouldn’t have a chance.
If Vader gets involved they are screwed
@@mider9996 Because the Borg use ambush tactics, until they have some numbers on their side or are exposed. Just like they did in First Contact.
The borg would totally adapt to Flame- or Slughthrowers, if those ever became a common weapon they face.
It takes resources to adapt. Why adapt to things that are not a major challenge in the grand scheme of things?
@@christopherg2347 right sept they’d be dealing with Vader and numbers wouldn’t matter
The forces a person would feel near the exterior of the sphere if it turned quick are mind boggling.
Imagine if our moon did 1 rotation around its axis in a minute....
That's what inertial dampers are for.
all in all I agree with your assessment but there were a few things that you got wrong that were very SW oriented
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its 3,000 METERS not kilometers if it was it would be larger than the death star
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a cube is considered to be the fastest ship in the ST universe they have never been outrun by any federation ship (a galaxy class pushing its warp drive to the point of overload was quickly gained on)
at various points you mentioned the fighter complement of the death star. ST ships have almost never been shown to have issues with accuracy against other ships in general combat except against ships with jamming tech, which tie fighters don't have. Given that the borg have never, to my knowledge, been seen to miss a shot I don't see any number of fighters being effective except to allow the borg more opportunities and information to adapt to standardized imperial laser tech
Good point about the fighters. I recall one episode in STNG the Enterprise picked off four fighters, 1,2,3,4. That fast. Easy peasy.
For the most part I agree with you. The most effective, and likely Borg strategy, based on previous observation is that the Borg would scan the Death Star on approach and analyze the Death Star's technology. They would also transport drones on to the Death Star to interface with selected systems directly. Since the Empire has no transporter technology this would catch them by surprise and give the Borg an initial advantage. If the commander of the Death Star powers up the super laser at the first sighting of the Borg Cube and fires they win. But as you pointed out the Death Star's super laser requires time to power up. If the Borg starts shooting first the Borg may have time to transport drones on board and begin assimilating storm troopers and technical personnel. The Borg would not destroy the Death Star, but instead take it over, adding it's technological distinction to their own. Picture a Borg Death Star showing up at Wolf 359 commanded by Locutus. LOL
I think you underestimate the stormtroopers gaurding the death star. If we take Legends numbers I really doubt the Borg could really defeat the entire death star crew of specialized stormtroopers, shadow troopers, royal gaurds, commandos, etc. Plus they're fighting on the death star (friendly zone). Yes they could deflect the standered blaster but they have stronger weapons and are able to get creative or stall until the special troops get in.
Here’s how I see it happening:
Borg cube enters system, registers Death Star on sensors. Begins scanning and analysis.
Death Star picks up the Borg cube and it’s scans. Imperial commander issues standard Imperial “Surrender, prepare for an inspection, etc,” but is interrupted by “We are the Borg.”
TIE fighters are scrambled, Borg cube proceeds to hold one in a tractor and ignores the others, and beams the seized TIE aboard for... study. Borg cube hits the Death Star from what the Imperials consider a significant range. The tractor beam cannot move the station, obviously, but seems to be interfering with the shields. The TIE’s continue to fire at the cube, but the small affect they were having early on is now diminished to little more than sparks.
The Death Star commander, having analyzed their scans of the cube, orders the super laser to fire, at 20%. Instead of destroying the cube, however, the beam blasts a hole clear through. The tractor beam is cut off, and the cube seems to be adrift. The TIE’s are recalled.
Suddenly, the hole in the cube starts... closing, as if the ship is regrowing itself. The Imperial commander orders another super laser shot, this time at 50% power, but gets no response from firing control. A squad of storm troopers is sent to investigate, while the station begins firing with turbo laser batteries. The cube, already at the edge of turbo laser range, slowly backs away, content to await the inevitable outcome on the station.
In firing control, the storm troopers encounter a group of about 30 cybernetic humanoids apparently building strange equipment. Some of these cyborgs are wearing Imperial uniforms. They open fire, quickly dispatching a half-dozen drones. Then the blasters simply don’t work anymore.
By the time the command staff realize what is going on, there is nothing left that they can do. The Borg have either adapted to their weapons or seized control of them. Even a self destruct has been circumvented. All in all, it takes approximately 2 days for the station to be completely assimilated, with 2 Lambda class shuttles escaping. There may or may not be nanites aboard.
Soon, the Borg take their new Super Sphere to sector 001, to settle an old score...
*Basically, I believe this is a situation of winning the battle but losing the war*
The Borg Cube would, assuming it is disconnected from the hive mind, would act far more cautious then it would if it were connected. Before transmitting the standard Borg declaration of assimilation, the Borg cube would perform scan to see what countermeasures the Death Star has. During this period of time, the Death Star would be assessing if the Cube is friend or foe, and will attempt to open contact. The Borg would ignore transmission, and to make no apparent move. This complete in-action of an unknown alien ship would incite the death star crew to investigate, and send Tie boarding craft over to the Borg cube, which the borg cube would allow it to be boarded as to observe the boarders, aswell as considering them to be a non-threat. All the while, the Borg would be prepping their own boarding parties. This preparation would be needed for the borg because their intent is to win the war, not the battle. With no connection to the Collective, the boarding party would need to have everything needed for Borg to function of they lose the ship. So by preparations I merely mean downloading the entire borg database aboard the ship into the drones that will be beamed to the Death Star. This will take mere minutes, would probably be done by the time the imperial boarding craft arrive. At this moment the Cube would beam over the infiltration drones, and attempt to leave. The Death Star would likely attempt to prevent the Cube from leaving, at which point its 50/50 if the cube will manage to do so, but regardless the Borg have "won the war" as the drones assimilate the Death Star. As for the conflict on the Death Star, the Borg would start by attempt by taking control of the core systems, to prevent self destruction. The empire likely has sufficient countermeasures in their computers to prevent it being done immediately, and would attempt to fight the drones conventionally by killing them. Failing to kill them is likely, and there will be little the empire could do now. Even if they succeed in activating a self destruct sequence, the Borg would of prioritized assimilating some Tie Fighters to ensure their survival.
The Borg managing to get onboard the Death Star I esimtate will give a 95% chance of the Death Star being assimilated.
Alternatively, lets say the battle commenced immediately, the Borg Cube would surely of perished, however, the empire would be wary of this unknown entity, and would then investigate the wreckage of the Borg Cube. The empire would then bring fragments of the cube onboard, aswell as some seemingly "dead" drones to learn about the physiology of this unknown species. At this point they'd learn that the Borg is many species, and at about this point in the investigation is when I'd expect atleast 1 of the thousands of drones to wake up, and take over the entire station. Even if the surviving drone was out in space, their life-sign would be detected, and the empire would try to bring them on board to interrogate.
So overall, I give 50% chance the Borg Cube will survive, 95% chance of Borg Victory overall.
You are thinking of the borg being the only aggressor. The fact is, in star wars, surprise to ships only happens with hyperspace travel. A death star would see the borg ship apear on it's sensors before the borg knew anything, it would send a shuttle and escort to see whether the alien was from the unknown regions. The borg ship would assimilate the ships sent. The lack of communication would cause the alien to be considered a dire extragalactic threat. The death star would hyper jump facing the cube and immediately blow it to pieces. The empire would find assimilated ships, and would shoot them out of the sky for disobeying protocol despite giving correct codes. (This is the main reason they do that, the empire is no stranger at ALL to assimilating threats) The site would be marked down, but would not be investigated by the station at all, as it would no longer be considered a military matter, and would be transferred probably to imperial agents. Then it would be a war empire vs borg, and not really relevant here. Pretty sure the borg would lose due to op jedi powers.
My point is that foreign vessels are not usually allowed onto top secret military bases. And the empire hates aliens. It was created with these ideals to beat alien threats.
Certainly the borg CAN assimilate death stars. But the empire knows about assimilation. And the borg aren't very... subtle. I give the borg a 10% chance of victory, as incompetence is certainly possible, but 0% if the empire knows more about them.
"The lack of communication would cause the alien to be considered a dire extragalactic threat." Jumping to conclusions there.
A threat, yes. But they still would know nothing about it. Ships disappear? time to go to battle stations. But in that time.. the borg has learned all they needed to know.
The bad thing with the death star is that it's so massive it has to go to the edge of the solar system and then fly in. Other ships can jump in closer to the star, but the death star does not have that luxury.. so an in system jump is not really feasible. This makes it very vulnerable. The borg can dictate the terms of the battle then as they have the better maneuverability and speed. And at the ranges they can reach... by the time the death star could swing that overpowered turbo laser at them they'll already have put dozens of drones on there.
The end game has begun, the cancer has already taken root and now it's only a matter of time.
I agree with most of what you said but I think this conflict would be even more 1-sided. Unless the cube happens to warp in immediately in front of the death star's main laser, AND the laser happens to be charged and ready to fire AND that decision is made immediately by those on the death star, the cube wins. Otherwise the borg would easily detect something threatening about this death star and move out of the way. Self-preservation is there if they are separated from the collective.
All the borg need to do is beam in a few boarding parties and they win. The cube itself could just leave if the star's conventional weapons output is too high, which it won't be because it's all lasers, which are seen as laughably weak in the star trek universe.
Once the death star is assimilated the borg would probably not even use it, since it's so obsolete to them. They would just disassemble its parts to create hundreds more cubes, which they could then use to assimilate the entire star wars universe.
Tom T. Disagree on one point, the borg would certainly use the assimilated Death Star; as raw material for dozens or hundreds of cubes.
@@carbon1255 how about just hyperjumping into the cube?
I know this video is old, but I'm bored so I'm going to comment anyways.
I personally think the Borg would win. I think the biggest error made in your assessment was to compare the movement and rotational speed of something the size of a Borg cube to something the size of a small moon. Since the Death Star as a fixed point with which to fire it's laser it makes it very unlikely that the Death Star could touch the Borg cube with it's Super Laser. That weapon is practically a non-issue.
As far as overwhelming the Borg cube with sheer firepower...that's really iffy. The clip you showed is of federation starships blasting the Borg cube and actually doing damage. Well Federation Starships know to change the frequency of their phasers to penetrate Borg shielding for a time. You get a lot of Starships doing that at the same time and the Borg shielding likely cannot compensate because it would have to rotate it's frequency too quickly. So it's likely not raw damage that is getting through the Borg shielding as much as it is the shots it cannot rotate fast enough to negate.
As far as offensive capabilities are concerned...you're right about the Borg cube not being able to destroy a Death Star in any kind of timely manner. It would instead lock on it's tractor beam, activate it's cutting laser. Once it synced up to the Death Star's shield frequency, it would start teleporting their drones onto the Death Star and without any real reinforcements, that would be it. Storm Troopers would be no match for Borg Drones after the first few shots. So the Borg Drones would just walk over the Storm Troopers, take the ship and that would be the end of it. It would take weeks if not months to assimilate the whole thing, but that would be the only issue. The comparatively laughable firepower and impact of ti fighters would have very little impact on the battle.
I don't think the person who created this video understands how fast sub-light travel is in the Trek universe. It's videos like this as to why I don't subscribe to this channel. Too many inaccuracies with basic known things that hardcore scifi fans should know about; at least scifi fans that make youtube channels and does death battles.
don't forget that the cube doesn't actually need to be within weapons range of the death star to begin beaming down drones. Beaming down to the surface of a planet from orbit is pretty common in star trek (even through shields).
I would imagine that if a Borg cube was able to dodge the first shot by the super laser, they would then obviously know just how dangerous the Death Star was. I don't believe for a second that ANY amount of defensive adaptions by the Borg cube would allow it to survive a direct hit from the Death Star; even at a lower power setting, there's simply too much energy being pumped out for any shielding to be able to withstand. That said, I think it would be fairly easy for the Borg to shoot a hole or two into the Death Star's shielding long enough to beam in some drones, at which point things could get very interesting. I'd imagine the drones would very quickly be able to infiltrate, scan, and transmit back a lot of information about the Death Star as well as beginning an assimilation campaign that could mean that even if the cube was destroyed, there would still be the potential for the Death Star to be assimilated.
DOOMSDAY MACHINE VS. THE DEATH STAR!!!!!!
If you havent read the Star Trek book Vendetta, i highly recommend it. It deals with the final version of the Doomsday Machine (the one from the original Star Trek series is supposedly a prototype). That thing was terrifying!
Hey William I actually read that awesome book, it's been many years but didn't the doomsday machine actually survive going inside a star? Going to have to reread that one.
Just making sure I know what your talking about, is this the doomsday ship that they had to fly a ship into to destroy it.
You just need to beam one borg down to the cube to assimilate everyone. Star Wars won't do well with beaming tech. Or just beam a bomb to the reactor core.
I agree with that. Ship to ship this video is correct, but if the Empire brings aboard a corpse or two to examine then the Borg will soon have a new fleet made out of an entire Death Star and a bunch of new tech specs.
OK third comment but final answer.
The Borg assimilate things and so they will immediately assess the value of the Death Star and immediately assimilate it into an “Assimilation Star Sphere” - all before it can fire it’s supper laser.
With long range scanning they know all about the Death Star, and as a collective mind they immediate have a plan to assimilate the whole thing projecting only loosing a few drones in doing in the process.
On distant approached the death star charges the super laser, in turn the Cube does a combat warp close to the surface & out of direct fire of the charging supper laser (rolleyes - easy).
Borg immediately transports tons of drones to all key fire control, command control, fighter bays, and trooper barracks.
Trooper will fire on drones - 3 drones die as the collective adjust personal shield for all drones.
Death Star point defense systems (turbo laser towers) fire on the Cube, a hand full hit (most miss in true SW fashion) and the Cube adjust it's shields. All other hits do nothing now.
Cube does not even bother firing on the DS defenses, But may any fire on fighters that so happen to be on patrol in the area they just warped to 30 seconds ago.
Within a 120 seconds (give or take) all defenses systems power down as single drone plugs into a (R2) data port. Because Death Star personnel base wide are being assimilated, along with all their knowledge of the Death Star operations.
Within an hour all key operations & tactical personal are assimilated, the rest of the population joins the collective by end of day.
Borg knowing the idiocy of single super laser, break it down and build smaller versions along the entire surface of the death start for powerful point defense systems. And they plug all exhaust ports, recycle internally any exhaust fo other uses.
Off into the sun set to other planets, not to destroy but assimilate the entire SW univers.
The death star has shields though. Transporters have been shown not being able to bypass shields
@@theodorewai2864 that's because ST shields are modulated to block transport beams. Since SW doesn't have transporters it's very unlikely that their shields will be correctly modulated to stop a beam. Plus the Both once beamed through shields in "Q Who"
@@thegreyghost5846 from wHat I've read, it's the opposite way around. I think shields block the modulation of transporters, and that's why shields block transporters.
@@thegreyghost5846 I think that shields can be modulated so that it allows transporters through, or the transporter can take control of some window in the shields. (TNG: The Wounded) Star Wars shields don't work that way.
@@thegreyghost5846 When comparing scifi universes I feel like you can't just do subjective leaps like that, you have to assume they work in the same sort of way as comparable technologies in their native universes.