Douglas Murray on the British monarchy vs. American oligarchy | Will Cain Podcast
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2022
- On this episode, Will sits down with New York Post Columnist and author of ‘The War On The West’ Douglas Murray, to discuss what Queen Elizabeth II’s passing means for this moment in history.
Douglas and Will discuss the historic moments the Queen has lived through and why her passing signals the end of what some may see as a better era. Plus, they look at the complicated history of the British empire but ultimately conclude that despite some drawbacks, England was a force for good in the world. Will and Douglas debate whether the British monarchy or American oligarchy is better, while explaining why Americans should care about the British monarchy.
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To the people who don't like the fact that Britain emerged as the largest empire, ask them "Which one would you have preferred?"
Not a good idea at this time most under 30 think a handouts are better. Socialism is what they want till they get it then they will cry and died. Not all but most.
As a Syrian Arab I tell you every one want to go back to that time not the brother hood Islamic state but they are cowered ,
How about the Comanche empire that the US eventually defeated.
Mongol Empire or Macedonian.
...certainly not the slave cult called Itsascam!
'The girls will not leave without me. I will not leave without the King, and the King will never leave'.
Almost got it right Douglas.
Makes much more sense
Didn't she say the king will not leave his people?
From royal(.)uk: With the outbreak of war in 1939, there was some suggestion that the Queen and her daughters should evacuate to North America or Canada. To this the Queen made her famous reply: 'The children won't go without me. I won't leave the King. And the King will never leave.'
You’re getting sucked in by careful✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻
Thank you so much it was driving me crazy he got it so wrong 💗👏🇦🇺🤣🤣👏👏
Over the decades of meeting peoples from former colonies of Britain, I always asked them the same question, "what was it like living under British rule". The answer was invariably "we had law and order". The most appreciative I found to be those from Hong Kong.
Mr Wallton
I'm Irish and suspect you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.
@@golaglanman860 Im English and I suspect you also have no idea what you are talking about, wrapped up in a PATHETIC sense of victimhood to compensate for achieving virtually nothing of note in all of human history.
Nothing more worthless than those who make a virtue of victimhood.
I think the US colony is getting way too much "law and order", particularly after George Bush Snr. endorsed the British war on Iraq.
@@golaglanman860 Irish brought this apon themselves with ira thugs.
I asked the same of a neighbor from India. She said that she and her husband spoke different languages and would never have gotten together without English. The English language united the country and gave them a common language with which to build a country. The good outweighed the bad. There was law, order, and progress. They are glad that India is no longer a colony but the British (broadly speaking) were good for India. They are both PHDs and are grateful for that opportunity they feel wouldn't have been available to them without the British.
She was my parents generation. I criticised Prince Philip in front of my father once. He said; "When you've done what he did, come back and talk to me. Until then, I suggest you shut up until you know what you're talking about." My dad wasn't a Monarchist, he did serve in the Navy though.
2 right, all these people criticised Prince Philip, well let them serve on a RN Ship at the Battle of Matapan, if that ship suck would'nt really matter if he was in the engine room or the Bridge or Philip.
I've heard similar, from an old Royal Marine :)
What did he do that was so outstanding?
@@Seashore1403 fought beside his men on the front line when he could have easily avoided it.
I am a man of 67 years of age and am British. As a young man I was never a royalist or a monarchist nor was I a supporter of the Royal family. However, I guess I was basically neutral as I did not hate them, but then again nor did I love the Royal family. Now this is where many people, especially those on the worldwide far Left, do not understand the British mentality nor our history or constitution. My regard for the Queen grew over many years as I observed her quiet humble and wise conduct. When one has lived in a nation where The Queen has always been there, but always forced to keep her mouth shut on issues that she may have an opinion on, but due to constitutional protocols she was never able to express them and therefore with humility she obeyed the past traditions laid upon her. It took 50 years for me to see her as a Queen, but much more than that as a woman who had principles and values, like one would evaluate any human being. This Queen, I came to realise, had always been there in my life, like some national constant guide, acting as a lighthouse as some kind of stabilising unmovable rock. This characterisation of her was shown even when she was only a child and then in war time too, where she knew that she had to set an example of courage and British fortitude, of that Stalwart attitude of "keep calm under fire" she accomplished that with a spirit of teenage willingness and dignity. I ask you to see Queen Elizabeth not only as just a Monarch, but mostly as a human being, as a woman made of flesh and blood who had her trials and tribulations to contend with, just like you and I have to deal with in our lives also. The Queen was a rare lady, she must not be judged on past historical events that went before her which she had little control over, The Empire mistakes, the colonialism, the obvious disasters of former governmental policies and the like. Let us remember that The Queen was a figurehead, she had no powers to make policy whatsoever, and at times probably disagreed with many decisions that her many Prime Ministers were about to employ, she had NO choice! If The Queen is responsible for British mistakes of the past, then logic tells me that if that is the case, then I am too! I am a citizen of Great Britain and was at the time of many bad governmental decisions made in my lifetime also. I judge The Queen based upon her grace, her dignity, her humility, her kindness, her wisdom, her unshakable duty for what was best for the nation. She was, in human terms, a lady of outstanding principles, of the traditional family brand. It was these things that impelled me to love her, to hold her in high regard to know that she was a constant for our nation. I am not high and mighty enough to be able to judge any human being harshly, I do not have that right, but when a human being sacrifices her whole life to duty and service to others, no matter her political views, then I can only admire and extoll her and her virtues as the wonderful caring Queen she was. May God bless the spirit of Queen Elizabeth and may he keep her blessed and cared for. Surely, she deserves it!
Lovely homage to an admirable woman and Monarch- so deeply touching
@@luisacleaves9592 Thank you so very much 😌
Beautifully put, I really enjoyed reading your comment x I am British I have always admired the queen all my life. I don't think we will truly understand her greatest until some time into the future, we need stability and traditional values now more than ever In the UK. x
Excellent post! The monarch has the power to declare war, dissolve Parliament and appoint a new Prime Minister. Declare war is a pretty big thing
@@whitediamonds6252 Thank you so much. Regards from Scotland.
Douglas Murray is one of the best minds of our times. A smart man.
I love the guy but hes to smash n nicey, we need absolute ruthless leaders to reset the mess of the last 60/70 years
He's eloquent, but he's not intelligent enough to be smart.
@@rhobatbrynjones7374 He is a posturing pontificator who has a dictionary for breakfast, a waffler, talks the talk..kinda thing....but like most, if not all of them, contented to see the UK turn into a hellhole where we now have millions of " citizens " who dont care a jot about our once Great Britain . This is evident in the crowds at our beautiful queens funeral ( 19.9.22) and the instructions given , sadly we are now on a downward spiral, hopefully someone can emerge to save us, unfortunately, nicey nicey guys like Douglas just dont cut it !
@@stuzo666 The difficulty is that there doesn't seem to be a positive offer of Britain coming from England to the Celtic nations. The English nationalism that is now rampant within the English Conservative Party only has contempt for Scotland and Wales. Liz Truss described the democratically elected First Minister of Scotland as an attention seeker who should be ignored and the First Minister of Wales as a low energy Jeremy Corbyn. We are used to contempt coming from England as it is an intrinsic part of English nationalist identity to look down its nose at everyone else as being inferior, despite the evidence to the contrary. They save their best for Northern Ireland where they are willing to put the long-won peace in Northern Ireland in jeopardy for the sake of an ideological battle with the EU. It's difficult to see how someone can come along, inherit that position and reverse the trend. History can however move slowly and those who are sincere in their wish to keep the Union together advocate a federal United Kingdom based on the constitutional principle of a voluntary-based Union. Perhaps they will prevail. But they will have to contend with an English nationalism which sees not putting the Celtic nations in their place as a sign of weakness.
@@rhobatbrynjones7374 while I agree, I feel the biggest issues we face are mass migration diluting our culture, whether it be English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish etc....I'm from scotlandstan formerly Scotland and while it was nothing special, it is now a shizerhole and growing worse by the minute. It will take something monumental but stranger things have happened, weimar demise being an example
As an elderly American, I loved hearing this insight on why we should honor the memory of Queen Elizabeth. Thank you!
What a great conversation, gentlemen. Douglas is always super-smart, eloquent, insightful, and persuasive. Will is so quick-thinking, honest, with beautifully formulated questions and responses. As we say in England, Nice one!
Well said! I totally agree but could never have expressed myself so eloquently.
I agree with you Vita....young people should be able to watch and understand..that is why i post in my FB. We spread good and intelligence, gifts of good brains from this two gentlemen. Thank you.
There's a reason Royals are advised never to marry actresses
@@Carroty_Peg Yes like Meghan.
Britain had a new Prime Minister and a new Monarch in 3 days. There is calm and peace in the air, everyone is united. The system works and it's beautiful to see it before me. May Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II rest in eternal peace and rise in glory. We are so proud of her. Long Live the King.
Wait until you receive the shitty winter utilities bill. Unless you're well off, of course.
The King Charles the third is literally a WEF ideologue. The Queen Elizabeth the second was preferable. Enjoy normie. I’d rather abdicate the monarchy in favor of prince William. Or abolish it outright. Both options are preferable.
@@FazeParticles the point is that Charles111 is a constitutional monarch. It doesn’t matter what he thinks. He has no power.
@@FazeParticles Favour not favor.
@@Colonel_Blimp Correct. They are incapable of grasping that fact.
The famous answer given by Queen Elizabeth, wife of King George VI, when asked in 1940 during the phase of WW2 when Britain faced invasion, why she didn't have her two daughters (one of who later became the Queen Elizabeth who died this month) evacuated to Canada, was....
"The girls won't leave without me..
..I won't leave without The King..
..and The King will NEVER leave!"
As an American I don't know really know much about the British monarchy system but Queen Elizabeth 2 was definitely a grandma figure who I deeply respected. Laying the "Queen" part aside, she was a woman of integrity, patriotism, & absolutely neutral when it came to politics.
She wasn't a "grandma figure" to anyone when she came to the throne at 27 years old. 🇬🇧
I didn’t see her as a grandma but I’m 48 so maybe that’s why. I’ve heard people say she was sweet like the worlds grandma so you aren’t alone. For me she was amazing. She saw and did so much in her life.
My personal favorite memory was when she drove the Saudi king herself in her car because women couldn’t drive in Saudi at the time. Such a boss move! She’s a legend. Idc what some other Americans think or say. She was quietly powerful and I think she was excellent. She almost never made a boo boo. Imagine 70 years of working so hard at doing your job properly that you don’t end up in the press every day. Our presidents cant handle 70 minutes without making headlines
Watch the David starkey monarchy series on YT if you’re interested 😊
@@israelizzyyarrashamiaak766 I am a U.S. citizen, a conservative Christian, who has cried again and again as I have learned more and more about the Queen, whom I have admired as long as I can remember.
@@israelizzyyarrashamiaak766 I hadn’t heard the story about her driving the Saudi king. That’s hysterical. Good for her!
I can understand the American confusion about our relationship with the Queen, but it’s simple, We have a deeper and direct link to our long history via the Queen and the wider monarchal system.
Plus we loved her , just look at the que waiting to line up just to pass by her coffin.
We loved her , god bless you ma’am x
look at the what?
A most excellent interview which demonstrates Douglas Murray’s deep understanding of history and politics
How remarkably eloquent from Douglas, as usual. Our Queen was a remarkable woman and we are far poorer for her loss. God save the King.
We are able to tolerate the wealth of the Royal Family in the UK because there is an understanding that they act simply as custodians of much of the treasure they own. They will never be squandered by future generations. They are shared in many ways with the people. As for privileged lifestyles. Better them than a host of self serving oligarchs. 👑🇬🇧 Spiteful jealousy of other peoples wealth never leads to anywhere good !
My father was born in 1916 and died 25 years ago. He was of this generation. Although he was a bad tempered man he never smacked us kids and had the decency to never swear. He also stayed loyal to his family. God bed you dad.
We Americans are often so ignorant of all we owe to Great Britain for the best things in our culture, including our constitution and government. If not for the British respect for the rule of law which blended a Christian understanding of human nature with Greco-Roman values, we would not be the successful country we are.
The American revolution is perhaps better seen as a rebellion, as it was George 3 trying to radically change the political consensus, not the founding fathers. They did their best to write down what it had been.
It then allows me to say all revolutions turn to sh*t.
You’re welcome 🇬🇧
I really admire your enlightenment Patricia.
For too long Americans have been taught the British were the original enemy of the United States.
The British colonists created the United States in the image of an England their grandparents desired.
Agree completely! We’ll stayed.
Well stated.
The British Empire was NOT EVIL. We added ,law,banks,railways,roads, the countries today are richer and more powerful as a result. We also ENDED SLAVERY
Well said. And outlawed slavery over 30 years before the USA and 600,000 lives were not lost in order to do it.
yeah looted everything look at British museums 🤣🤣🤣
@@devilish2136 The British invented the celebration of historical artifacts. They still exist because the British prized them, whereas the people in those countries smashed their history up or sold it.
@@truckerfromreno well said
@@devilish2136 at least you can see them, for free, in British museums, where they remain diligently cared for.
Malaysia was a British colony, before it gain it's independence I was well educated in school, live relatively peaceful, multi racial people live well together. Things began to change after independence when Malaysia was govern by the mainly Malay politicians. As time goes by the Chinese , Indians and Eurasian are treated differently, the Malays are given advantages in higher education, jobs and getting away with misdemeanours. The government over the years got more and more corrupt the multi racial people starts to feel resentment how the politicians favour the Malay population. The British left some amazing buildings, the education system was good standard but now education standard has dropped and when I visited my family after I settled in UK crimes on the increase and the economy got worse and corruption is high.
Your experience under the British colonial system could be multiplied by millions. of people. The British, like the Romans, left a legacy that influenced the nations that arose from the British Empire.
Tonga is a commonwealth country. Great Britain and royal family is our great friend. We always had a friendly relationship with the Royal family. The Queen has always showed respect and love when she visited Tonga many many times. We have adopted some British culture and influence that had left its mark and has been a great influence from Gov, schools, church, army the list goes on.. The monarchy has had a great influence in Tonga. Helped our nation grow and it’s influence are installed into our culture and has been moulded into our culture which stands strong till this day. Only the negative is talked about but there is so much good and great benefits that commonwealth countries have gained through the Monarchy under Queen Elizabeth II reign.
Ahh yes, British Colonial exploitation . Well withdrawal from Africa was better. How were Uganda's Amin, Zimbabwe's Mugabe, Somalia's stability , better or ..... NOT!
@@djknox2 If the British Empire was 'bad' and 'decolonisation' was also 'bad' then why are there 56 nations in the Commonwealth and at least four were never in the Empire?
@@uingaeoc3905 Most of the negative talking points we hear are mainly from American left wing msm. They don’t understand the commonwealth. They don’t understand the strong relationship and love we share with Great Britain and it’s Monarch. They have been our greatest friend is why many commonwealth countries have chosen to stay but as you can see they are hard at work pushing the Monarch as the big bad wolf for their own agenda and purposes. The Turkish Empire is the worst in my eyes they practiced Genocide and went out to wipe a whole race but of course they get a pass and what they did has been swept under the carpet.
I am proud to be British.
Me too.
Britain is One of the three Most influential European states,Greece ,Rome ,and finally The United Kingdom,these three cultures changed the Destiny of Mankind and the Planet...Yep ,we should All feel Proud to be British,The UK is Still a Beacon Of Freedom...
I am very proud to be British, also( English ) . Like the Scots, Welsh and Northern Ireland people are. We share an Island together l include Northern Ireland in that too. Please bee tolerant to each other , and not hate. Hate is so negative and energy draining.
I am always proud to be British.
You should be. Love from Ireland ❤
Wonderful interview. Douglas Murray is a delight as a guest. Eloquent, highly intelligent, knowledgeable and a real pleasure to listen to his ideas. Will Cain is a great interviewer. Asks the right questions to elicit thought- provoking answers. Such an enjoyable experience for your audience.
I would say that this, Queen Elizabeth, actually decolonized during her reign. No one’s perfect, however she was steady and steadfast.
Indeed , yes
And presided over an orderly decline, which kept the peace far more than otherwise tends to be the case.
I think most British were glad to be rid of the Empire, it was a huge responsibility and cost managing it all
Rest in Peace Queen Elizabeth! Long Live the King! From the USA!
"Never complain, never explain" Great advice. Only those that have struggled for good know the depth of those words.
Ok, I'm Australian, and my Grandmother was raised in a convent because her father left her mother to look after 7 children, and her mother then jumped off a bridge. My Grandmother was the youngest, so the 2 youngest were left in the orphanage, the others were farmed out to other families. The convent would initially receive the aboriginal children. My Grandmother always said that the aboriginal children taken were only taken because the parents drank too much and were neglecting the children. It is a well known fact aboriginal people had big issues with alcohol. Not all children were taken, as has been portrayed, it was only those being neglected from alcoholism or other types of neglect.
Well said Douglas Murray….we need more men like you in this country….Stiff upper lip is very rarely seen these days…Best wishes to you Sir….82 now and it is good to hear this…..
Queen Elizabeth was respected in my life time she will be missed.
I love listening to Douglas speak. I am also a bit envious of his smart erudite framing of his arguments. A master class!
Every parent should sit down with their children and listen and then discuss this with them. No country ,no civilisation and no person is perfect, without sin or regret . But to say one group is evil by the historical relativism air fake generational guilt is absurd .
Douglas, it is such a treat listening to you. As an Indian it was interesting to hear that the Jalianwalabagh massacre is considered the darkest moment of the British rule. Yes it has been the most pain bit we had to study while at school. But I think our history is exactly that. History. We have learnt, not forgotten because we want to always acknowledge our ancestors who experienced these atrocities. But we honor their bravery by living as great citizens, doing the best for our country. It seems like people want to create this victim narrative for themselves on the backs of those who endured it but are long gone before us.
Brilliant man and his insight into the history of the 2 great allies is valuable.
Love Douglas Murray, mad respect.😊🇺🇸🇬🇧🇦🇺
A profound discussion that needs to be part of any history of America (and Britain) class both at high school and college level.
Love love love Douglas Murray ❤ genius public intellectual
Will Cain is building serious credibility with me over the last six months. A serious and powerful journalist.
👍
In the age old question of, “If you had to pick five people for a dinner party, dead or alive, who would they be?” Douglas Murray and Her Majesty, the Queen, would definitely be two of my top picks! I have been listening to Douglas for a couple of years now, and he is such a gold standard in reason and intellect. Thank you, Douglas!!
I think Douglas Murray should be teaching history professors about history...I agree there are two sides to every story that is sorely lacking in universities today
Jean H • Very true.
Douglas is as eloquent in his arguments as ever. One of the great thinkers of our time.
Great conversation. Douglas Murray is quite pleasant to listen to
31:40
Douglas: "... Here is one of my favourite defences of the system of constitutional monarchy...
by having constitutional monarchy we do not have hereditary politics."
That literally dropped my jaw. The man is brilliant.
It’s the main reason British monarchists want to keep the status quo - nothing to do with pomp, class and sucking up to privileged ‘betters’, as some ignorami think.
Absolutely, and I was waiting for him to say that as I've heard David Starkey say the same thing. I was a bit disappointed that he didn't expand on other European nations, and in fact seemed to dodge the question. I'd love to hear a critique of European republics just so I can use it to shut up all these europhile shitlibs
The princesses will not leave without their mother, I will not leave without the King, and the King will not leave.
The American oligarchy is the opposite kind of elite establishment, compared to a monarchy. It actually does wield power, but operates outside of public scrutiny.
Wrong. The royal family is very powerful. The fact that you bought the "figure head" lie is proof that they "work from the shadows".
I hate echo chambers--it seems pointless. This is why I love Douglas Murray. He addresses complex and controversial issues with a unique perspective and has the eloquence to demonstrate it. I always learn something new or understand something differently. Loved his books. Among my top favorite intellectuals.
Wonderful interview. Too much to put in words, my thoughts. May the dear Queen rest in eternal peace with her loved ones. May the new King & his family have the blessings of the Lord. God save the Monarchy. God speed into the future on angel wings.
Wonderfully said!
The Monarchy represents Class and Civility, two things totally lacking in American society. We now have classless rubes complaining about everything, but doing nothing meaningful to make America better. Being a victim it the most important thing going on today. Now we don't even expect people to behave, something we should demand of everyone. Cashless bail will ruin our country and make us a mockery to the world. We have the majority who know nothing about history, mathematics, science, certainly biology, those in power today re willing to ruin our way of life over some "net-zero" policy that makes no sense. Our November elections will define whether we exist in 20 years, or less.
Until you get another Henry VIII.
Do Harry and Charles represent class + civility?
We know Harry doesn't.
The average US middle American uneducated blue collar worker has more class than some privileged kid who publicly trashes his own family.
We'll see about Charles.
Well said Sir! Thank you for being evolved and true to yourself. An inspiring comment.
@@missyprissyable Re Henry VIII Monarch today has no political power ... they are diplomats and when they cease to help the country the people will get rid of it.
Feel free to gtfo of the US. If you love the British Monarchy so much, renounce your US citizenship and get. I'm sure you'll be welcomed with open arms on that little island, free to lick the boot of their King.
As a Brit I had and have a great deal of respect for MH Queen Elizabeth II, but not so much for her offspring and their kids. However, I still believe a monarchical democracy to be far better than a presidential democracy and for that reason I will continue to respect our Head of State, even if I dislike many of the royal family. The Monarch gives us stability that cannot be found in a presidential system.
As Douglas Murray said, it's not about the family, its about the institution. People get too distracted by the behaviours and characters of individual members of the royal family and whether they 'like' them or not. It's irrelevant, what is relevant is the process of succession from one to the next. In 100 years' time King Charles III will have come and gone, King William V, King George VII, all come and gone .. but the institution may well still be in existence. and if so, then there will be a monarch, as yet unborn on the throne and perhaps people won't 'like' him or her either.
@@Jenjenilou It's always a bad hand to be a long-lasting successor. I'm sure when Edward VII took over from Queen Victoria, people weren't best pleased with him either. The best thing is to inherit the crown in your 20s, like Elizabeth II did, and then have your public persona defined by the position as opposed to sitting in waiting forever and having all your worst gaffes and asides define who you are.
The Republic of Ireland has a presidential head of State that is more like a figure head like the monarch in the UK’s case. I think it’s better as you say rather than a president who is voted in popularly and has such a huge mandate and therefore too much power.
I think you've confused stability with slow degradation and beacuracy
@@thedoctor.a.s1401 funny! BUT we have to compare the executive of our constitutional monarchy with other comparable countries to get to the truth of your assertion.
Take the American presidency, it has gathered to itself more and more power over its history. The large role it now plays wasn’t envisioned at the beginning.
The monarch of the UK and also Australia where I live on the other hand is ceremonial and only ensures that laws being signed in are constitutional.
The monarchy does provide stability, you cannot argue otherwise really, the remain as a figure head and as a safeguard against tyranny.
I am not overly sentimental, if Australia were to become a republic I would be onboard as long as our system of government remained a Westminster system and didn’t become the American style one with a popularly voted in president.
In NZ we have relentless woke anticolonial rhetoric from our parliament and media. It feels that it has caused a backlash and support for becoming a republic has nose dived.
NZ was the first democracy to give votes to women, including indigenous women. I doubt that social experiment of the 1890s would have occurred if our new nation hadn't had the stability of being tied to the British monarchy.
Im a student at AUT and next week in ethics we were supposed to attend a lecture on decolonization. It got canceled because it's on Queen Elizabeth memorial day. Had to have a laugh 😂 beautiful irony
Woke culture is the antithesis of what the Queen stood for; it brings to light the underbelly of society, applauding selfishness and giving nothing but a degradation of values, including utter disregard of the welfare of women and children and those most vulnerable.
Exactly. As always the far left push so far they reveal the vacuousness and dishonesty of their own position
There is a certain type that goes into politics as a rule. I have met none in my long and varied working life except those that I met as students in university. They had no intention to work at anything but to be politicians. We should not be led by such people.
Well said Chris.
Douglas Murray is brilliant. Wish we had more like him in America
Fascinating interviewer, I’m fairly recent to Will, but am now an avid watcher, Good Work Sir 👏😎🙏🏴
Douglas Murray, again sharing wisdom way beyond his years
Love Douglas Murray ❤️ full of insight could listen to him all day.
He's a class act....
As always, it's a great pleasure to hear Douglas Murray speak.
Douglas I absolutely love you I have told my two sons you have to listen to this great intellectual.
"Queen Elizabeth was the last link to that greatest generation" - Douglas Murray always captures your attention with an important insight. Notice his black tie. "She was the last embodiment of those values" - of service and selflessness.
Those who are hostile to the British monarchy are merely a bunch of people who know a little about the British empire
And no nothing of history.
Facts!
Here in America, too, stoicism has been lost as a virtue; that's a big part of the reason we are where we are, with victimhood enshired as a position of power.
Hopefully some of these virtues will return.
@@tomburroughes9834 resilience needs to return, it has all but disappeared, especially in the young
She was at least an apolitical head of state welcoming Trump like any other president and not following the Western European fashion of turning their nose at him because he spoke unfashionably. I am not sure if the same can be said of her son. I would say that British Empire was benign, beneficial and malignant in varying degrees depending on the time and circumstances. Colonialism is not limited to the British and certainly not to the white man. The Spanish merely replaced the indigenous colonial powers in that part of the world. We look at most empires with a mixed degree of admiration for what they achieved and revulsion for what they destroyed. The Roman did some great things and some very bad things. This is the story of humanity for as long as anybody can remember.
Who would welcome a con man, ex-casino owner, 'I make my contractors us China steel to build my real estate empire", non of my businesses had the working-class as customers in mind, Orange Orangutan
@@noel7777noel Well his predecessor had any number of innocent people killed in drone strikes so it begs the question as to who QE2 should be welcoming.
@@harryf1ashman A criminal gives whataboutisums as examples. "I stole because he stole".
A teacher gives simpler examples for his students to better understand. "He sole, got arrested, now you don't steal"
Do you see the difference
This faulty way of learning by these different styles of "examples" will have opposite effects.
One is dog whistling justifying their bad behavior, and one is learning by other's experience. They are not the same.
Giving whataboutisums tips off your opponent what cards are in your hands. What your ulterior motives are.
This is why you listen to the other person's view point. A good listener. 👍
Those that try to change history, and promote a utopian past beforehand, are doing so to hide their own corrupt pasts, and to profit from their lies. Britain was a late player in what became known as colonialism, and the Spanish, Portuguese, and Dutch were well ahead of them. On top of that, slavery is much, much, older, leading back thousands of years, and it included people from every race. It's time for the real truth to be revealed, and to put down the revisionists.
Does the fact that the Romans threw Christians to the lions lessen my admiration for the Segovia aqueduct? I guess in the minds of the wokeosphere it depends on the ethnicity of the architects.
The monarchy is a balance to power, you don’t praise and give admiration to your political leader but the head of the monarchy, you make the police and army swear power to the monarchy, who have no power, this way you don’t get a dictator like in turkey as he has removed his critics but he wouldn’t have been able to remove a monarchy if they had criticised him and they had the support of the people.
How did the great Constitutional Republic called USA become a dictatorship? Well, we have one now!!
True, that is the theory and formed part of my defence of constitutional monarchy (in the absence of a written constitution. hey those can have problems too, especially as time marches on). The involvement of QE II in government was minimal and her main duties in that regard were as a grand diplomatic host - but also, very importantly the person that opens parliament every year, appoints Prime Ministers and has the power of royal assent - if the monarch withdraws assent a government is expected to resign and an election would be triggered. No UK PM could behave like an undemocratic dictator with respect to holding on to power against the will of the people - or attempting to, as Trump did.
Any PM and government could of course defy the monarch, but whilst the PM is in effect the executive director of the armed forces and usually makes such as deployment decisions - they are not commander-in-chief. That position is the monarch's and all soldiers swear allegiance to the queen or king. Senior commanders take that oath seriously. So in extremis, the monarch ultimately has the greater power... But using it is like a bee sting or nuclear option, it _might_ generate fallout that would harm the monarch, possibly greatly - or at least weaken the institution...depending on whether a majority of the public agreed on the necessity, or at least that it was done only out of a legitimate, impartial defence of democracy for all, rather than a partisan political act.
*However, that theory of a counter balance has been tested and, sad to say didn't do too well* In 2019 PM and lying buffoon, Johnson, advised (lied to) the queen to have her suspend the UK parliament. He did this for the advantage of enacting his government's Brexit policy, without having the expected heated and protracted debate in Westminster. 1. The queen could have said "hold on, suspend parliament? I'm not prepared to go along with that" but let's say she was just given bad advice and felt she ought to just comply with the request of a democratically elected government... 2. The independent (not politically appointed) UK Supreme Court declared the suspension (prorogation) unlawful and parliament was reopened.
At that point the queen would have felt very compromised. She had the power to ask Johnson to resign, or withdraw royal assent, have his whole rotten government resign and trigger an election. She did neither of those things. Sadly. So whilst the UK still probably have a safeguard against sudden blatant dictatorship... It would seem that we are not necessarily protected against temporary abuse of power, or insidious erosion of freedoms and democracy. At least not by simply having a monarch. Just as well we do not have a politically appointed Supreme Court. But, unsurprisingly, having been "put in their place" by the courts, there has been discussion among this Conservative government around restricting the courts' power to judge such matters in future - or even to change our judicial system to include political appointees. All maddening and worrying stuff. 🤨😡
Every time I listen to Douglas he always brings to the table a delightful way of expressing a concept that shows me the core of it and why it is important.
You guys look like brothers. God bless America and God save the King. We need to unite against tyranny, foreign or domestic, whenever it raises its ugly head in our lands. Freedom must be preserved for all our people.
History should never be cast out or covered up.. There is ALWAYS things to learn from history.
Is there anything better than listening to Douglas Murray talk?
This is how interviews and debates should be conducted! Very interesting
How refreshing. A civilised and erudite discussion and comments unlike so much of U.S media.
😭😭😭. Just Extraordinary!!! Absolutely Extraordinary!!! Both The Queen Mother and The Queen!!!! Today that war would be lost!!! We will not see their Like again for many Centuries!!!
Prince Hunter, that's one prince I hope never sits on the throne.
I'm 83 years old so I agree with and it's like a balm to hear such expressions.
I think we left a lot of country’s in a better state than what we found them
Definitely. Ask every Hindu widow. They would have been murdered on their husband's funeral fire.
I think these countries left Britain in a much better shape than before Britain made their acquaintance.
The idea that building a railroad in some colony is a benevolence in exchange for the pillage and destitution of these people is a grostesque attempt at moralising.
Its like a rapist who says "well atleast i made some tea on my way out"! 😂
divded, looted, impoverished is not better
I don't believe anyone can be certain to that. Just the idea of it subjective. What you or any of the colonizers consider "better" may not be same idea for the colonized. We will never know what the evolution of the pillaged nations or America (before Europeans) would have been. European nations destroyed most of the earth and some of them continue to do so.
@@leslieenoch well just look we’re the Indians went when they got kicked out of Uganda
I love listening to Douglas Murray, because he's one of the most profound and lucid thinkers of our era, without a doubt. JBP, Douglas and Bret Weinstein are incredible intellectuals.
This should be played in your sons class. Great stuff.
Thank you and I really love what the English man said. We all are here because history happened. When I travel to Sierra Leone in 2019 I appreciate it that I was an African-American woman. I appreciate it that history happened and I am in America because those girls over there don't even have access to education. So when people complain I won't reparations your reparations is that you get to live in a beautiful country shut up. And people should even pay attention to the reparations topic. It's stupid people that complain about it never have to suffer. And if you live in a certain time period you're going to think a certain way just like 40 years from now kids that are born are going to look back on today and say people were crazy they were complaining too much they were delusional that's what happens in history people will change as Generations go on
Excellent way of putting history and it consequences into perspective ,well put Lace !
L.c. you are an example of the best of the noble African type ,which I have often seen and admired. To you lies the world's hope for peace and harmony. ..especiallywithin the Christian mission of the church.
Freetown in Sierra Leone was established by the British as a haven for ex slaves that the British Royal Navy had rescued from foreign ships who were continuing the slave trade. It is Ironic that the decendants of the slaves who were not lucky enough to be rescued now have a better life than the decendants of those repatriated to Africa.
Stability, consistancy key to rule for everyone to live in peace
A comment from a US politician in the 70's. "We got rid of Kings and created a presidency, who has all the power of a king. The British kept the king but took away their power."
And what American politician said this? What powers does the presidency has that resembles that of a king?
@@TickleMeElmo55 it was said during a discussion post Watergatd, the feller who said it was a Senator and he was using "The Imperial Presidency" to look at the way Johnson and Nixon had effectively been able go fight a private war in Vietnam. The power of a king always rests finally on his control of the army. Commander in Chief itself is a Kings power.
@@TickleMeElmo55 The power to issue Presidential executive orders is a concrete example. With a stroke of the pen the Presidents will is law. This is not so in the UK. The Prime Minister may support a law but it must still pass through parliament and win the vote. Though I do have to say that the Covid regulations seem to have buggered up any idea of democracy.
I see those British values coming through 😊 respect for all, rights AND responsibility....this was an interesting discussion and easy for anyone criticising to digest and have a more informed view! Thank you (commonwealth/Windrush heritage)
Douglass Murray at his best! Great interview/discussion!!
The casting out of things is a fascinating idea to end with, but no mention of the rock upon which both Britain and America was founded upon, that has been cast out of the schools, the media and most of the establishments. The values and principles that died with the Queen and her generation. But this faithless generation doesn't want to carry their own cross but would rather another carries it for them for a price. Interesting interview. 👍
Thought provoking and insightful. Just two of the benefits from conversation conducted politely without protest and interruption.
What a fantastic mesmerising interview ✌️from Australia
Douglas is so intelligent!! And many people need to understand History!!! Teachers need to get it right!!
Douglas Murray, one of the uk’s national treasure. Always talks sense.
How old are you 3 ?
@@jamesokeeffe3216 obviously older and more intelligent than you!
What a great talk...Always a pleasure to listen to Douglas Murray and Will Cain ofcourse. God Save The Queen!
I am loving this episode. Douglas Murray, this may be the first time I've heard of you, but you have some very smart, well thought out and clearly articulated views I agree with greatly.
Check out his books. Brilliant.
Need more history teachers like Ms Loop who stepped outside the text books and had her students delve into jounals, letters, and newspapers of the time. Historical events are far more complex than a singular view paragraph in a textbook.
Thank you Mr. Cain for this interview. It’s priceless… Also, Mr. Douglas Murray you need to have more public speeches so that the younger generation understand history as a whole…🇨🇦❤
Excellent discussion, Douglas is so articulate
I often don't agree with Douglas politically but I can listen to him endlessly - a great practitioner of the spoken and written word
"I often don't agree with Douglas politically"
It's okay, one day you'll mature in a real adult.
"We're gonna luuve the idea of Chinese dominance". Perfect closing. Strange how Douglas didn't invoke Roman colonisation benefits in Europe and how we quickly we settled back in to dark ages when they were vanquished - Mugabe-style. But hey, in UK our immigrants are working on it. Even now.
to be correct, the Romans were not vanquished by the British. They simply left Britain as their civilization imploded at home.
@@peterslocomb152 The Romans and ancient Britons, by accounts go on very well with each other, once it was recognised that Rome is the superior power. I imagine many Britons were sad to see them leave
@@Alfred5555 Maybe like saddened Rhodesians/ S.Africans and future Kiwis.
We the British should be proud, I am, most of all we alone stopped slavery in our empire, paid to free them all, enforced it throughout our empire and in many case outside of it too. Every country we left better for being part of our empire!
Rest In Peace Our Beloved Queen, Our Glorious QEII.
One point that Will made I'd like to comment on, he said that things of use last but that slavery was an exception to this rule, I disagree, it is exactly because of its use (to the slave owner) that it lasted through most of human civilisation as a common and widespread practice. It was a two fold intervention on both moral grounds and through force that eradicated its prevalence. Great Britains abolishing of slavery not just for it's own sake but its intention of forcing others to do the same is extraordinary for that time. The Royal Navy which stopped the slave ships lost 2000 men in the struggle against the slavers. The Bristish Government had to pay slave owners to release their slaves, this was unprecedented.
Slavery ended because abolitionists won the moral argument and the British and American peoples were willing to fight to stop it. That must be weighed against the wealth created by slavery for those countries through human misery. It's a complex history.
Enjoyed this interview with Douglas Murray so much listened to it twice.
I really enjoy listening to this.. so much sense and reasoning- brilliant 🤩 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
I don't know how it happened... but I loooooooved Queen Elizabeth... I genuinely cried for her. I love the display of old traditions... we have Cinderellas castle... they've got Buckingham ... but yes, her values... service, faith... I hope she wasn't the last.
If the British Empire was so bad why did we do so much , for those countries! So where did the railways, the Rule of Law, Clean water, hospitals come from?
Was Florence Nightingale and Mary Seacole Indian, or Chinese, or Malaysian, or Kenyan etc? No they were not. Ms Nightingale was English and Ms Seacole was from the Caribean.
Perhaps those who hate the UK so much should study true history. Who SOLD slaves to Europeans? Africans sold Africans to Europeans. Those poor Africans sold by Africans to the Ottomans were castrated. Did Europeans castrate any slaves? No they didn't
Why are the Aztecs, Incas and Mayans extinct ( or almost), - because of Spain and Portugal. If the British were responsible then why is Spanish and Portuguese spoken in Central and Southern America and not English?
What about the Russian Empire, Belgium Empire, Dutch, French or Nazis Empire?
To end please those who believe the British Empire was so evil why, have almost every country who was in the Empire now joined the Commonwealth and why have so many countries who were never in the Empire joined the Commonweath? Why if UK is so bad, does UK and the Republic of Ireland have a Common Travel Area? Why are Irish Citizens allowed not only to live and work in UK but to actually vote in UK elections. If UK is so bad why do thousands of people risk their lives to get into UK?
Because the Irish done so much for the British empire built the railroads and after the war with Britain and give you a little bit of culture☘️☘️☘️☘️
Mary Secol e should not be equally placed with Miss Nightingale. One was a brave pioneering nurse, the other was a home remedy medicine peddled who ran a hotel and brothel for officers.
I used to be a British republican but as I got older I realised things are more complex than I knew and my narrow minded ideals got revised. Now I understand no system is perfect and no system can be perfect and the monarchy actually is a good thing on the whole.
A commendable and informed shift. I think people underestimate the value of the British political system vastly.
really enjoyed the clarity of speech of Douglas Murray. very good
When the United Kingdom abolished slavery, the government compensated slave owners for the value lost from freeing enslaved people. It is true the Bank of England only recently paid off these debts
Yes but would it have happened any other way?
@@emilywilliams363 the only issue here is true and accurate accountability.
@@freddieveltziii1958 I've heard that we're not actually done paying off that debt, as the money used to clear that anti-slavery debt off our books was borrowed, so we're still paying back that loan.
Yes but that was so that the ecomomy in those areas would survive. Without it many of those freed slaves would have starved.
That debt which has just been paid off, was for the most part for the Royal Navy’s cost in blood and treasure fighting slavery on the high seas for half a century.
Hi Will. As an Australian, I’m really interested in how your son executed his assignment? What an intriguing position for him to take. I bet he did well. Great conversation with Michael. Great work. 👍
They play a huge role in everything happening 😂 I enjoyed this podcast alot more than I thought I would.
I’m so sorry. You must not who Douglas Murray is yo assume this wouldn’t been a boring podcast!! Glad you’re learning!!
Im glad I saw this, was starting to think the USA really hated Britain after all the nasty articles from the New York Times and horrible tweets
The New York Times is riddled with IRA fanboys and remainers that hate Britain. For the most part however, I`ve found most Americans to be pro-British.
A vast majority of nasty tweets are from Leftists - the NYTs is one publication filled with a bunch of leftie weirdos. Academia in the US runs hard left and the nasty tweets are from hard leftists. Outside of those select, niche groups most of the US probably doesn't care or if they do they pay their respects to the Queen and her family. There's a huge manufacturing plant about a 15 minute walk from my parents house. This plant has three immense flags flying at half staff - the US flag, UK's flag and POW flag. Keep in mind that his plant makes all its products domestically. When an All-American company does that that means there is some form of respect to the UK.
P.S. Most Americans have a total love and respect for the Queen and mostly for the monarchy itself. We want to see KC3 succeed and our countries to continue to be close allies.