B414 worm and sector Steering box rebuild
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2016
- Step by step rebuild of a worm and sector steering box for a B414 steering box, the same box as used on a B275 and late B250. The process is similar for any worm and sector steering box such as 434, 444. 384 and others.
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I know these are old videos, but I just got a 1962 B414 Diesel 4 digit serial number. I've worked on machinery for 30 years, but never had a tractor. I am learning so much about this tractor and watching your videos have been helpful! Thanks
Dave, I have watched most of your videos and found them all extreeeeemly useful and well made.
Please, Keep up the great work.
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words!
Thanks for the videos. It’s very helpful to be able to source these. Beautiful location you have too.
I wanted to thank you for the video. I'm just starting a rebuild of the steering on my B275 and found your video very helpful. I appreciate the effort it must take to make these videos but they're worth their weight in gold when maintaining these older tractors. Many thanks
Thank you so much for the compliment, it really helps keep me motivated! Thanks for watching!
Just subscribed Dave. Watched you do the brakes on the mMassey 165. Well then I could not find you again until now. Thanks again for sharing your skills and knowledge.
Thanks Christina, I really appreciate that. I enjoy making the videos and am glad that people find them useful. Stay tuned, there's more coming down the pipes. :)
Great videos Dave watching from Ireland very detailed 👍
I am glad you enjoy the videos, thanks for watching!
Thank you very much all the way from Illinois
wery nice, very helpfull. Just what i needed. Best regards from Norway.
Glad I could help Roger, thanks for watching. Good day, eh! from Canada! :)
Thank you again Dave for this information
I am glad you found it useful, thanks for watching!
Thanks a lot for your great repair and rebuild videos. This particular one encouraged me to finally go for a steering box rebuild on my late grandfather’s 1963 B275D which had been grossly out of order for 30 years. Needless to say the tractor feels like new and now actually some more parts have been ordered with the goal of completing a full restoration. Actually in my case the side plate does not have an adjustment bolt but uses shims between the side plate and the housing for adjustment. Many thanks and keep up the good work. Greetings from Iceland.
That is awesome buddy, I am very happy that I could encourage you to take the plunge. Having a family tractor to restore is an awesome project, I wish you all the best! Many thanks from Canada!
@@CanadianRedneck15 almost the same story here Dave. I just got my father’s 1958 B275 Gas in my garage and have started restoring it. It’s a low serial number #530. The 29th ever built I believe. I’ve watched all of your videos on the B series tractors and I was wondering if I could reach out to you with some questions. I’m just outside of Halifax and might need a few parts too.
Rob
Thanks for this video. I've just bought a B2275 (loader and backhoe) with seized steering. I'll attempt a rebuild - only problem is, I've no idea how to get it out. The shaft goes through the fuel tank - which appears to be trapped within the B40-1 front loader frame...I'm sure it'll be fun!
the same as 423
Thanks , Kris from Belgium
Good video there Dave, done a few of those in my time, there is an aftermarket box available from Sparex but they are not a real good thing.
Hey BB, I've sold a few of the new boxes. I thought the ones I had gotten were from Mahindra, but I'm not actually sure. Glad you enjoyed!
Thank you for showing this!!
I am glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for watching!
I’ve got an IH 300 utility and am doing my research on rebuilding this style of steering. Do you have a good source for steering rebuild parts?
@@Konadawg99 I'm sorry I haven't been able to find parts for a 300 steering box.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Dave. Have a great day
Grazie al tuo video sono riuscito a trovare il kit revisione su ebay dal Inghilterra e a revisionare la scatola dello sterzo ora è perfetto
I am glad you found the video helpful, thanks for watching!
Great videos! I have a 1963 B250. I need a video on rebuilding the early steering box with a steering arm on each side. I can’t find much on them.
Unfortunately there isn't much available to rebuild those boxes. Thanks for watching!
hi Dave ...I have to rebuild my steering box on my 414 this winter ....so I was wounding were you picked up that rebuild kit for the steering box? .....and thanks for making this video......Del
Hi Del, I am glad you enjoyed the video! I keep the steering box kits in stock here or you can check for a Sparex dealer in your area. You can reach me at sales@chowntractorparts.com
Thanks . yes the wheels turn.
And steering wheel is hard but it turns like theres no power steering.
Is your rear lift working, they run off the same hydraulic supply. Check for oil flow to the cylinder, the collar that drives the second section of the pump could be broken, could be a problem with the valve in the cylinder.
Hi Dave. I’ve tried to find the steering box kit on your website but was unable too. Do you still carry it? It’s for a B414. Thanks
Great job on the video. I have a 1963 b414 international and has manual steering can I convert that to power steering or electric steering?
Possible, but the power steering on these old girls aren't handled in the box like a car or truck, they have a cylinder to assist with manual steering force. You would almost need another parts tractor to change over. Even the hydraulic pump is different, has an extra line for power steering model.
I have a international 444 with Water in the steering box (steering wont turn Right when the temperature goes below freezing). Do I have to remove the steering box from the tractor to clean out the water and how do I get the water out? the only access I see is through the plate held on by a couple screws on the right side of the box. The oil that goes back into it, would that be 80W90?
Unfortunately you will have to remove the steering box to clean it out. Your best bet is to take the plate off the side so you can drain the box and then clean it out with a rag/paper towel or what have you. It takes 80W90 gear oil.
Thanks for watching!
Sorry about all the questions. I really appreciate these videos. I got out steering box out and apart on our b414. The bearings were froze. My main concern is the race on the end of the worm came out and the worm came off the splines. Have you ever seen that before. I’m thinking it will need the whole shaft replaced. What’s your thoughts. Again thank you for your time.
Any of the worm shafts I have seen have been all one piece, I suspect someone with some machining skills has done some repairs before. You might be best to get a replacement steering box. Sparex sells them, check for a dealer in your area. Thanks for watching!
@@CanadianRedneck15 thank you!
Hi Dave, thanks again for your videos! I (thinking / hoping) I'm only needing to replace the oil seal on the sector shaft of my steering box (leaking gear oil out). Can I replace the seal without having to disassemble the whole box? Thanks, Jim
I believe so yes. You should be able to pry it out around the shaft with a small pry bar or similar. Thanks for watching!
@@CanadianRedneck15 I'll give it a go Dave. Thanks again!
just the video i needed as i just bought my self a B275 that has alot of play in the steering wheel ,you can move the steering wheel a far bit before you can see the arm move .
would a service kit fix this problem?
Most likely, watch the steering wheel while you turn it, if it comes up out of the box and back down as you turn the wheel the bearings for the worm shaft.
Thanks for watching!
Cheers mate
yes it does ,thanks for the info
Finally got the steering box out of my B275. I'm finding it difficult to find a supplier for the rebuild kit. I've hunted around the net with no success. You mentioned Sparex supplied the kit you used. Unfortunately they do not sell directly to individuals. Do you happen to know another supplier of the rebuild kit? Thanks.
I don't know who is a Sparex dealer in the US, but Central East Tractor Supply in Ontario is the Canadian importer. You can contact me directly at sales@chowntractorparts.com Thanks for watching!
Is this steering box the same as a 1971 444 and if so where do you get the rebuild kit thanks
I took your advice and hit it harder! It came off....
Now I am disassembling the engine. I took the tapper levers and shaft assembly off .
When I went to place it on the work bench it blew apart. The manual says not to let that happen.
Am I in big trouble?
LOL, that happens to me too,,, a LOT! :) No worries, they line back up in logical order, if they don't line up to the valves, switch things around til they do. You should be able to get a pretty look at how they are supposed to look in this video; ua-cam.com/video/EPV9gZ8V19g/v-deo.html
Good luck and thanks for watching!
Hi David. Thank you for all of your helpful videos! (Especially everything for IH B414’s) I can’t find any other way to communicate with you, so I’ll try this. I’m bringing my old 1962 IH B414 diesel back to life, after the tractor unfortunately sat for about 10 years. I successfully rebuilt the CAV pump, thanks to Lance down in Australia, and she’s running amazingly well. The next issue, however, is that the power steering works fairly well when turning to the left, but I have no power steering at all when turning to the right. Any thoughts? Thanks again!
That is most likely the valve in the PS cylinder, it may be stick since it sat for so long. There should be a grease zerk on the bottom of the cylinder in the area of the valve, grease it well and try it for a bit to see if it will come out of it.
Thanks for watching!
@@CanadianRedneck15 I also have a B414. My power steering cylinder leaks fluid. Over the years it has been rebuilt twice, but the last time the rebuilder had a problem getting proper parts and it now leaks again. Where can I find a qualified rebuilder in Michigan? Is replacing the PS with manual a good option? And what style of hydraulic fittings are used for PS lines? Can't find any that fit locally. They apparently are not the same i.e. JIC, Metric, British?
@@michaelkern9977 I don't know repair shops in Michigan. I'm not sure on what the fittings are, probably British. If you don't have a loader, you could switch to manual, but it will be tougher to steer. Thanks for watching!
How did you get the pitman arm off the steering box?I pounded on it until I was blue in the face.
That's the problem, you stopped too soon, you have to work through blue in the face to purple. LOL, sorry, I couldn't help myself.
The pitman ram is on a tapered spline and can be quite tough to dislodge. I usually use an air hammer but a good heavy ball-peen hammer will do the trick. Try alternating a few blows against the side of the pitman arm to shock it loose and a few against the back side (possibly with a heavy punch) to drive it free.
Good luck and thanks for watching!
Jarvey Brown Thanks for the vidio. I will be e-mailing you for a kit.
I am glad you found the video helpful, thanks for watching!
great video any sugestions on my 414 when i drive if in 2nd gear and speed up the wheels shimmy back and forth not alot of play in tie rods and such nor in the box and steers fine both ways could this be a toe in issue once again great videos hard to beat internationals
Could be the toe, also the slack in each tie rod end etc. adds to gether to the over all slop. Check the spacers in the front axle pivot for slack as well, if the front axle has some front to back play that could also contribute. Thanks for watching!
great channel and thanks again im waiting on some electrical stuff now should be here next week @@CanadianRedneck15
brilliant..no messin
I am glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for watching!
Great video and looking at doing some work on my B275, I just have a question for you on my steering wondering if what you did here would also fix mine. I am perplexed since mine will turn to the right but today when I was unloading my hay rounds it started free spinning to the left and did nothing. So after viewing this it seems like I may have a bigger problem, do I? Should I just replace he entire steering shaft if it is that bad or can a kit do the trick? Help, I love my old tractor and my repair guy is way behind so looks like I just have to give it a shot! Braselton, GA
If the bearings are bad enough the pin on the sector shaft could slip out of the worm gear on the worm shaft, but the only way to really know is to take the box apart and check for worn or broken parts, good luck. Thanks for watching!
Oh my goodness, I just opened up my box and it was slam worn out, LOL! No bearings found but one ball was found in the grease and the shaft was totally worn off and so were the worm gear shaft. So my parts came in yesterday and today is rebuild day, LOL! I would post pictures if I could, it was a wonder the poor thing worked as long as it did! Thanks for walking me thru this, will update. Happy Horsewoman!
Oh, I found out why it was not turning back to the left, it was because the sector shaft nipple was worn off at an angle like it had been steered to the left for most of its life, like for over 50 years, LOL!
Awesome, I'm glad you were able to get to the bottom of it!
There would be a replaceable race in the bottom of the box and in the bottom of the tube, the worm shaft has the race built in for the bearings to run on.
I have a 1958 b250 and there is a lot of play in the steering wheel,any thoughts on what could be wrong?
The most common problem i the bearings on the worm shaft.
B250 has a single arm, there is an adjuster to set the clearance, which will adjust the backlash
Is it a big job to rebuild a ford 3000 steering box...great work on the rebuild..
Is the steering box on a 444 the same? My 444 wont turn right when its cold outside so I am thinking there is water in the steering box so I am going to take it off and try and change the oil.
A 444 steering box is built the same way but the parts don't interchange. Certainly sounds like you have ice in your box. Thanks for watching!
I was wondering do I need to cut gaskets for the bottom cover and the side cover to keep the gear oil from leaking?
The shims on the bottom cover should act as gaskets, the side cover will need a gasket. Thanks for watching!
@@CanadianRedneck15 thank you!! Love the channel!!
How did you get the bushings from the sector shaft out there, can’t get them out
I don't think I did, I believe they were in pretty good shape. Thanks for watching!
Hi Dave, great video thanks.
We are working on a rebuild for our B414. We got it out of the tractor last weekend and on the bench today.
2 questions? How should I remove the bushings that were on the sector shaft? Our sector shaft was bent and the bushings are in a horrible state.
We’ve tried heating them and wedging on them. Not sure if we should make a bushing puller.... any ideas. Thanks
Also. Where did you get your rebuild kit. We are in Canada too.
If you don't have a piece of shaft the proper size or a bearing/bushing driver you may be able to catch the edge with a punch or chisel and drive them out. As I recall they are fairly thick and I think would be tough to fold up with a chisel to remove.
The only kit I have found comes from Sparex (I am a dealer) but are out of stock until spring.
Thanks for watching!
@@CanadianRedneck15 Thanks, we'll give it a shot.
Hey Dave, thanks for your thoughts.
We have all of the parts on order (some coming from the US). At 3:00 in the video, you show the removed bushing; it has a split down the middle, is that because you cut it or is it like that?
Another Question: can you please tell me the order that you took the bushings out in? Did you drive both out from one side, or did you slip some steel in the little slot behind the bushing that's in the case?
Thanks, we're struggling a bit with this one.
@@civldoug The bushing would have been split already, I would push the outer bushing out and the inner bushing into the middle.
@@CanadianRedneck15 i got it out; I went at it with a hacksaw, then a sawzall, and then i used a chisel to chip it away. I only scuffed up the inside a bit, and that scuff up is covered by the bushing, so i think i'm in good shape. ...
now i'll have to find a driver to put the new ones in. I got some out of Ontario.
Got the head off. Number 2 cylinder has a crack in the head. Looks like I will have to buy a new head. Without a special puller is there any way to get the perchamber and holder out and reuse them?
New ones are available and not expensive so you can try driving them out with a large diameter punch and if it damages the precup it's not the end of the world. Good luck.
For some reason on my 1962 b414 the whole outer steering shaft is rotating when I turn the wheel. This causes the engine to rev up and down based on my turning the steering wheel, since the throttle arm is mounted to the outer steering shaft. Is there any way to tighten it?
The steering shaft tube is pressed into the steering box and has come loose. You may get it tightened by tapping it down into the box carefully, or you may have to give it a spot of weld.
Thanks for watching!
Where can I find new O-rings and seals for 444 steering cylinders?
Try a Case-IH dealer, machine shop, or hydraulic repair shop. Thanks for watching!
Is this the same as you would find on a McCormick b-275?
Yes, the same steering box. Thanks for watching!
Hi Dave I have an international 354 with power steering, but it only works when I turn left, if I want to turn right it's so hard. could it be the pump?
That would be the valve in the the cylinder. You will need to take that to an older mechanic at an IH dealer, a regular hydraulic shop will not be able to fix it.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks
how much does it cost
I have a 1963 b414 gas with loader. And the steering is real hard cant turn it left or right. Steering is stuck solid. Any help what could be the problem . thanks
Jack up the front end and see if the wheels will turn then, could be bearings in the steering box, spindle thrust bearings or could be that the spindles are dry and tight in the bushings in the end of the axles.
Thanks for watching!
my 414 does not have a jam screw or a hole to put one so I can not adjust the slack, any idea why.
Early ones had a rubbing block on the pitman shaft and managed slack by shims between the cover and the case. Thanks for watching!
Can i order those spare parts in UK from Sparex ?
Thanks, Kris.
I believe you can yes. Thanks for watching!
Would a 434 have the same kit? Thanks
Unfortunately no, the 434 used 1/4" individual balls, no cage. Thanks for watching!
@@CanadianRedneck15 cheers for that. Maybe I could buy the kit and the 1/4 balls separately
@@raymondosullivan1958 I don't think there is anything in the kit to help you, the cross shaft is a different size too.
@@CanadianRedneck15 okay thanks for your help. I’m finding it really difficult to source a kit for it. I would like to say your videos are really helpful and you helped me a lot in restoring my ih 454. Keep up the good work
Hi Looks like International should of designed the steering box on a Fordson Major they are just ignorant compared to this one. when they designed theirs the top and bottom bearings are just loose balls with no cage to hold them together. you kinda use the thickest nastiest grease and hope they all stay in while you put it together. My buddy was helping me with one. He said I'd rather have my mother in law stay for a month than do this it would be a less painful experience L.O.L
Maybe Fordson designed the IH 434 box, they have loose balls as well. LOL Thanks for watching!
Good day. Why would 434 have loose balls in, they were next inline after414. Thanks
How to find the kit
You can check with your local Sparex dealer, but they have been out of stock for about a year now the last I checked.
Ocupo unos repuestos para un 744 internacional
Sorry, no 744s up this area.
Send me vedioo repair staring box right cutting not able plz send me one vedios
What is the problem in international b275 tractor steering repair 😭
This is the same steering box as a B275. Thanks for watching!
My Shaft come loose from the worm gear
Yeah I've got a I believe it's a 414 International and it don't have that set screw on the side
@@richardowen2555 I'm pretty sure the worm gear and shaft are one piece so that would definitely be a problem. Early models didn't have the set screw on the side, they used shims under the side cover to set the clearance between the sector shaft and the worm gear. Thanks for watching!
@@CanadianRedneck15 thank you for the video and the information
how much does it cost
The steering box kit is $55. Thanks for watching!