I've seen Zeppelin play in Chicago twice early '70's and they blew the roof off the joint both times. There hasn't been another group that i've seen that rocked the house as they did.
And I had quite the opposite experience. Although the Destroyer bootleg was recorded at the Richfield Coliseum in '77 and is a superb sounding recording, I was dissapointed that night. Owe it to the acoustics of the cavernous venue or my high expectations, but it sounded "off" most of the night. But, hey, it was zeppelin and I was lucky enough to have seen them.
@@janpierzchala2004 He means they performed a stellar version of the song. Please check out the concert on UA-cam. There are timestamps so you can go right to the songs you want to hear. Four Sticks & Gallows Pole are played back to back and both are very good.
I am always impressed when bands can take odd meter songs or changing meters that don't always line up and make them feel easy to "dance" along to. That ability to make the odd have a comfortable feel that is still easy to connect with.
Two extremes here: The insistence that Zep WILL ALWAYS BE the greatest, and the total disparagement. I disagree with both views. They're in my Top 5 of bands, but don't hold with the superlatives.
@@damneh8688 and they're free. Groupie gals are there for they're reasons... like ALL bands.... sure they weren't raped. As for the music....they ROCKED IT....!!
D'yah mak'er? (Did you make her? Meaning if you got laid) Nasty homour, I love it. Always gives me giggles when this tune comes up on Houses of the holy😂
'Four Sticks' is one of my favorite Zep songs. Plant's schreeching, howling lyrics, and Page's 1-2-3-4 electric riff with that echoing acoustic change-up! In me, it evoked images of misty ocean cliffs and dark forests- 'And when the owls cry in the night, oh baby, baby, when the pines begin to cry..." A truly magical song. And of course Bonham and Jones in the rhythm section. Simply, and complexly, amazing! TMK, this great song was never played on commercial radio. [edit. 'schreeching'] hehe...
Whut? That song was a regular on WZXR Memphis Rock 103 when I was a teen in the 80s. Then again, our drive-time DJ was the one and only Redbeard, so...
@@steveludwig4200Over 300 million albums sold and arguably the second most influential band in history(Beatles are first). Each member served as the template for all heavy rock bands that would follow. Oh yeah, VERY CLOSE and you simply don’t know what the hell you are talking about.
That just PROVES Bonham was a highly overrated drummer and Zep was just as highly overrated band. A rock band that cannot play a number of their songs LIVE cannot be a "great" band. Boston was probably the best example of this. All studio "tricks".
Most drummers of the highest calibre disagree with you and so do I. I saw Zep perform twice in the 70s and Boston as well. You're wrong on both accounts. @@steveludwig4200
@@steveludwig4200 With that comment you PROVE that you don't know wtf you're talking about. I worked in the music industry for a few years in the late 70s/early 80s and I can't think of a single pro musician that I spoke to at the time who would've agreed with you. And, by your argument, The Beatles must've been absolute sh1t because they stopped performing live pretty much as soon as their music became more complex, never played "A Day in the Life" live or virtually anything else from that period. But that's fine by me, I don't come onto YT to gain any insights from dumbf^ck commenters whop know nothing about anything, and who'd rather demonstrate that they know F*ck all than actually learn anything.
@@steveludwig4200 The issue was Page would place a ton of overdubs on several studio tracks, making them nigh impossible to play live without at least two additional musicians on stage. This is one of the reasons Steely Dan stopped touring after 74' for almost two decades as they would have needed 20 people on stage to reproduce the songs. By the 90's technology caught up and they could pull it off with only eight or nine on stage 🙂
It's interesting that Page and Plant's Unledded project featured a phenomenal adaptation of"Four Sticks," with the addition of the Middle Eastern instrumentalists. I knew the band struggled with timing on "Black Dog" (you can hear it in the LP version, and also in different takes that have been released), but didn't know this info concerning "Four Sticks"- thank you!
@soshieopath7142 I'd be happy to say they were #1 if they hadn't stole quite a few if their songs. I played for 10 years and I learned how important it is not to steal from someone else immediately. It's just not cool and yet they did. And yeah I know a lot of bands did it back then but that doesn't make it right.
@@gutsfield3504 Except for the stealing of songs. That part is really not a good outlook on the band. They did have to end up paying after they got sued for stealing those songs.
I don’t think the fans even cared which songs they played or didn’t play at concerts. I think fans were just ecstatic to be at a Zeppelin concert! Besides they could count on a definite Dazed and Confused and Stairway so they were all lucky bastards
When I was a kid the first Zeppelin album I got was #4, and I just assumed it was a greatest hits compilation. It still blows my mind, because it has even less filler than the top Beatles albums.
To me Led ZEPPELIN is the best rock band, it reaches in to my soul, it goes beyond any barrier, of what category others may put up, you either feel or you don't, It's like how you feel about your pet's, my German Shepherd and I have that same kind of connection I feel her soul that she puts out there and that special bond between us is unconditional Love, I know there are much better analogies, but that's is close as I can come to trying to explain how I perceive music, art, or even Love itself, you either feel or you don't, 😎✌❤
@@drobichaud1000 Spot the Whitesnake/Metallica/Sabbath/Iron Maiden/ Pearl Jam/ insert any vacuous band with no substance here people (that have no clue) that rave about a band, fan. There are things in life that are known to an individual conscious mind from birth. It breathes and learns from it's conception into adulthood to a point where it's own formative lessons become, in a sense, reality, around 22 for male and 20 for female. Once beyond this critical point it becomes exponentially harder for said individual to see beyond their self created mentality/reality. Not necessarily a criticism in itself to any human since it was most specifically created in such a way for this and among other, functions. Since the Ego is by it's perfectly designed mechanism unable to view itself and it's resulting actions, it instead looks for validation by other means. It seeks like a dying man of thirst or a man dying of thirst whichever way you would like to read it, (or woman 2023 hommes) walking through a barren desert with no end and no sustenance, a way to continue. Continuity cannot be achieved alone in a vacuum. Being locked in a room alone for an extended period of time usually causes extreme mental breakdown, although it may be said while being distressing to an individual it can often cause said individual to momentarily release themselves*, from their ego, thus glimpsing in a breath paradise, however it is visualized on the individuals cultural level. The same moment of realisation it is said can be achieved many different ways, although it is interesting to note how often we, if I may say we, hear it is a moment of extreme distress that shunts the mind into a different way of thinking, such a measure being required after the aforementioned passing of age. It is also very interesting that perhaps every single person in history (let's start a group and ban that word cuz we got nuthin better to do)that has travelled the veil and returned, within all cultures throughout time has one defining word they bring back from the netherworld. Love. This being the case, it would surely benefit any person to attempt, hard as it may seem, to be mindful of their actions and interactions in this regard. Since the starting point must always be ignorance for any inquisitive mind that may have an inkling hovering in the back of somewhere they can't remember, as it was is and will forever be for me if I could only think what it was I was thinking.
@@drobichaud1000 Well, they sent me to a shrink before because of criminal activity etc but I just sat in a room with a guy asking me in a roundabout way if I was gay over and over. Nothing against that but I must have said no about 8 times before he got the message. So much for the system eh. There is nothing someone can know by reading that someone else can know by living. But I do get your point, should I feel angry at such a dismissal? What is your intention by that comment? Did I trigger you dude? I feel so insulted.
if i remember correctly 4 sticks was a b-side to a 7inch single on a juke box back in sutton coldfield around about 1977!! i think the a.-side was either black dog or heartbreaker!!!
The last season I worked as a scanner operator at NCS/Pearson, I found "4 Sticks" was an almost perfect match to the rhythm of the sounds the machine made while I ran it.
They played " For Your Life " live for the first time at the O2 Arena reunion with Jason Bonham on drums. Recently, a live performance has surfaced, including the living loving maid, so I think you may not have gotten that one right.
That just PROVES Bonham was a highly overrated drummer and Zep was just as highly overrated band. A rock band that cannot play a number of their songs LIVE cannot be a "great" band. Boston was probably the best example of this. All studio "tricks".
@@steveludwig4200 copy-pasting the same dumbass reply to multiple posts makes you look like even more of a philistine. It might be advisable not to publicise that as much.
That just PROVES Bonham was a highly overrated drummer and Zep was just as highly overrated band. A rock band that cannot play a number of their songs LIVE cannot be a "great" band. Boston was probably the best example of this. All studio "tricks".
That just PROVES Bonham was a highly overrated drummer and Zep was just as highly overrated band. A rock band that cannot play a number of their songs LIVE cannot be a "great" band. Boston was probably the best example of this. All studio "tricks".
Pronounced "jah make her"..the ocean is the song about playing live..c'mon man,get the facts straight or get a competent editor..ohhh yeah.. that's right, close enough is good enough for today's society.. half-cocked wankers& silly steves'
@@steveludwig4200 1) They didn't play D'yer Maker because they didn't like the song 2), Even though Led Zeppelin played much longer than most other bands, they still only played about 3 hours a night. So by the time House of the Holy came out, they had well over 3 hours of music in their catalog. 3) On that note when choosing songs from Houses of the Holy, TSRTS, Rain Song, OTHAFA, The Ocean and No Quarter and sometimes Dancing Days & the Crunge were chosen as representatives over DM, They were better songs.
Page/Plant on tour in mid 90'$ or the unledded version have a little more led in the pencil so to speak in their versions; however,the R.P.&S.S. cover is nothing to sneeze at..
I saw Led Zeppelin in 1970/71 and I noticed that Bonham lost the beat a few times and then, after a short pause, picked it up again from the guitarist. I always thought he was just stoned (as might have been the case), but now I wonder if it was just too complicated for him!??
My first guess was 'in the light' (physical graffiti, 1975). In an interview I read years ago, plant stated that they wanted to perform that song life, but somehow they couldn't manage to perform it properly in a satisfying way. They said the same about 'when the levee breaks', which was performed only in very few occasions during the 1975 europe tour I believe.
They had issue with In the Light because they could not get the keyboard sound right live as the equipment needed would have been too cumbersome to take on the road. Levee did not work live for the same reason, too many effects which could not be satisfactorily reproduced live. If they could have stuck around to the mid-80's the gear would have caught up and they could have played both songs live. Oh well.
I absolutely love Four Sticks and has long been one of my favorite Zep somgs. I don't get it and when I heard about this the first time I couldn't believe it. Maybe because I liked the song so much but I've played this song for years and have never had a problem doing it right every time and I'm no musical genius, it must be the drums that are difficult idk? I'm just really baffled that this song was such a problem for them to recreate live....... I would have thought it to be one of the easier songs to do. What do I know???
Check out the live version of Four Stick from the Copenhagen show in 71', it is absolutely brilliant! They should have stuck with Four Sticks, Gallows Pole, & Wonton Song as the live version were amazing.
@@yingtongtiddleyepo..yes it's got the reggae beat..i always came to think it was about getting on with a bird"did you make her..ja make her.. Jamaica 🇯🇲
Little Richard said i alone invented and rock an roll nobody helped me he said in a interview whooo hooo!👑😁😵💫 Good golly miss molly unless u want to count mr Boon dont get me wrong i luv letters in the sand Pat holds his own 😗
They played it a few times on the 71 tour, but no, not much. ua-cam.com/video/bv5KSPgDX1w/v-deo.htmlsi=ZZRDYLI6TCHS_h7u Personally, I don't don't think it was too much for the band. More likely it was too much for Robert's voice on a nightly basis. It's about as high as he ever sang. By 73, he's routinely ducking the high parts of Over the Hills and Far Away.
I think that whole story is garbage. First they played it pretty rare because they had so much material, better and more popular, that they haven't time to play that. Also, they reported that they being creating that song for eternity, but they created the whole album in a week. So, ... In this track they have no ideas how to end it, they have different ideas but nothing clicked until they pause that and first made Rock 'n Roll.
The days you needed to be a Jazz musician to play rock'n'roll. Instead of just fuck off when the jetset Lifestyle contradicts anything that ever made you play that rebellious music in the first place.
Personally, don't agree, four sticks is not that difficult to play, bonham could of easily played the verse section in 5/4 with normal 2 drum sticks, possibly the real reason they choose not to play it live too often, was simply, as a band, they chose not to?
That just PROVES Bonham was a highly overrated drummer and Zep was just as highly overrated band. A rock band that cannot play a number of their songs LIVE cannot be a "great" band. Boston was probably the best example of this. All studio "tricks".
@@steveludwig4200 I'm confused by your example of Boston not being able to perform their songs live. I realize that the music was all composed, recorded and produced by Sholz and Depp in Sholz's basement and that they hired "the other band members" to perform live. But they did their share of touring and did a really good job live.
@@therottenrandy I had the misfortune of seeing them LIVE in 78 in Fort Worth. Sounded absolutely unlistenable as the headline act. For comparison Sammy Hagar opened and sounded great.
I just saw a Zep tribute that floored me. They do the live approach and it’s so raw with tons of energy. They also copy LZ mannerisms on stage. And they’re all in their twenties!
@@Loonypapa while I appreciate the ladies and their talents I'm less impressed with a female singing a male vocalists songs. They physically already have an advantage with their vocal range. It's still good, I just don't care for it.
@@chasleask8533 I personally know about 6 tributes and am also working on one. A couple of them use backing tracks for keyboards, sound effects and backing vocal support. But most of them (and mine) don't use ANY accompanying or triggered tracks. That Zepplin tribute was 100% raw and live.
I'm not sure what makes this song so difficult in your view. It's quite simple, musically, and not complicated rhythmically. For Plant, sure, this became impossible for him to sing after 1973, at least not without dodging and substituting the high notes for lower notes.
@@debunkthelies Not sure what happened, but within the span of a year, 1972 to 1973, he went from amazing vocal agility to his voice breaking and cracking constantly, and then having to sing all the early songs lower. He lost the high notes that defined his vocals on the early albums.
@@dtsdigitalden5023Abused his vocal chords in those early days doing crazy acrobatics without proper training, and refusing to give his voice the breaks it needed, including when they played Royal Albert Hall in 1970 while he was suffering from laryngitis. (It's one of their best shows, btw. My god, that stuff was glorious. It's a shame it was so unsustainable.) So, yeah, don't be like him, but enjoy it for what it was. 😅
these guys were alright. there studio work had so much over-dubbing they couldnt reproduce it live. i dont know if some people believe louder is better but any live work i have heard from them sounded like a lot of really loud noise. bonham had a difficult time finding a band that wanted him as a member. sorry i do not agree with many of you. im 63 and have heard many bands from this time period that i feel were leaps and bounds better live than zep. i do appreciate their studio music and recording abilities. even though the drums are not as technical i put the band wishbone ash (and other bands) over zep in a live performance. at the least the guitar sounds and licks were more like their studio work. plant would follow small faces around and kind of steal the sound of steve marriot. the song whole lotta love sounds like one previously done from small faces and they had some issues with copying other bands as well.
I'm curious how someone who's purported to be telling us LZ history doesn't know how to pronounce D'Yer Maker... especially a Brit! Or perhaps it's just another robot voice that no one bothered to proof-listen...
@@dbclassic8733 Not sure what YOUR point is, but the point of this post is "The Led Zeppelin song so difficult that they refused to play it live." That's what I'm responding to. Perhaps you got lost or your Alzheimers is is flaring up or something, but I'm discussing the actual point of this post. Not "machines and computers" doing music. (Or robots, or Terminators or zombie apocalypses or whatever other rambling you're stuck on. Maybe you watch too many movies. drrr) Evidently that's another video somewhere else - SUNSHINE.
unreal. can't believe anyone would have trouble with four sticks, simple riff. played it in Jr. high, no trouble. can you count to five? come in on 4. 45 12345 12345 etc
source? the video implied bonham had a problem with the 5/4 beat. I rewatched some old solo rp solo stuff and he doesn't sing the high part on the record so could be. @@stitchgrimly6167
I've seen Zeppelin play in Chicago twice early '70's and they blew the roof off the joint both times. There hasn't been another group that i've seen that rocked the house as they did.
Man O Man Lucky You I’m 58 Almost Seen Them Once When Bonzo Died
Purple was better live
@@einarabelc5 purple was great yes but in my humble opinion not better I guess it’s just personal opinion
the wall bounce
And I had quite the opposite experience. Although the Destroyer bootleg was recorded at the Richfield Coliseum in '77 and is a superb sounding recording, I was dissapointed that night. Owe it to the acoustics of the cavernous venue or my high expectations, but it sounded "off" most of the night. But, hey, it was zeppelin and I was lucky enough to have seen them.
They did play it live at Copenhagen in 1971 . They actually killed it !!
They played a great version of Gallows Pole as well at that show. Another missed opportunity IMO.
the song is dead now? what do you mean precisely?
@@janpierzchala2004 He means they performed a stellar version of the song. Please check out the concert on UA-cam. There are timestamps so you can go right to the songs you want to hear. Four Sticks & Gallows Pole are played back to back and both are very good.
@@janpierzchala2004 don't be stupid
I am always impressed when bands can take odd meter songs or changing meters that don't always line up and make them feel easy to "dance" along to. That ability to make the odd have a comfortable feel that is still easy to connect with.
They were, are and WILL ALWAYS BE the ultimate rock band.
Ultimate thieves who stole entire songs including lyrics and preyed on underaged girls
@@damneh8688😀😆
Two extremes here: The insistence that Zep WILL ALWAYS BE the greatest, and the total disparagement. I disagree with both views. They're in my Top 5 of bands, but don't hold with the superlatives.
@@damneh8688 and they're free. Groupie gals are there for they're reasons... like ALL bands.... sure they weren't raped. As for the music....they ROCKED IT....!!
The Who were better
D'yer Maker pronounced Jamaica in a reversal of the old English joke ...
"My wife's going to the West Indies"
"Jamaica?"
"No, she wanted to go!"
D'yah mak'er?
(Did you make her? Meaning if you got laid)
Nasty homour, I love it. Always gives me giggles when this tune comes up on Houses of the holy😂
4 sticks is one of my favorite zeppelin song the time signatures are complicated
'Four Sticks' is one of my favorite Zep songs. Plant's schreeching, howling lyrics, and Page's 1-2-3-4 electric riff with that echoing acoustic change-up! In me, it evoked images of misty ocean cliffs and dark forests- 'And when the owls cry in the night, oh baby, baby, when the pines begin to cry..." A truly magical song. And of course Bonham and Jones in the rhythm section. Simply, and complexly, amazing! TMK, this great song was never played on commercial radio. [edit. 'schreeching'] hehe...
Mine too.
Yeah, that song is magic. I could not imagine the album without it.
@@BlakeNix A great album all-round! That album was the culmination of what Jimmy Page, and HIS band, were trying to do.
Whut? That song was a regular on WZXR Memphis Rock 103 when I was a teen in the 80s. Then again, our drive-time DJ was the one and only Redbeard, so...
@@a2ndopynyn I should've said 'corporate' radio.
Greatest band to ever grace the planet!
Indeed They Are
Not even close
@@steveludwig4200Over 300 million albums sold and arguably the second most influential band in history(Beatles are first). Each member served as the template for all heavy rock bands that would follow. Oh yeah, VERY CLOSE and you simply don’t know what the hell you are talking about.
One of them for sure
@@BBaldwin 4 words... black sabbath... jethro tull
Just like Paul Stanley of kiss said, Led Zeppelin wrote the book 📖 and it’s so true.
Early 70’s at the Garden, INCREDIBLE.
an all-star band, no weak links whatsoever
That just PROVES Bonham was a highly overrated drummer and Zep was just as highly overrated band. A rock band that cannot play a number of their songs LIVE cannot be a "great" band. Boston was probably the best example of this. All studio "tricks".
Most drummers of the highest calibre disagree with you and so do I. I saw Zep perform twice in the 70s and Boston as well. You're wrong on both accounts. @@steveludwig4200
@@steveludwig4200 With that comment you PROVE that you don't know wtf you're talking about.
I worked in the music industry for a few years in the late 70s/early 80s and I can't think of a single pro musician that I spoke to at the time who would've agreed with you.
And, by your argument, The Beatles must've been absolute sh1t because they stopped performing live pretty much as soon as their music became more complex, never played "A Day in the Life" live or virtually anything else from that period.
But that's fine by me, I don't come onto YT to gain any insights from dumbf^ck commenters whop know nothing about anything, and who'd rather demonstrate that they know F*ck all than actually learn anything.
@@steveludwig4200 The issue was Page would place a ton of overdubs on several studio tracks, making them nigh impossible to play live without at least two additional musicians on stage. This is one of the reasons Steely Dan stopped touring after 74' for almost two decades as they would have needed 20 people on stage to reproduce the songs. By the 90's technology caught up and they could pull it off with only eight or nine on stage 🙂
It's interesting that Page and Plant's Unledded project featured a phenomenal adaptation of"Four Sticks," with the addition of the Middle Eastern instrumentalists. I knew the band struggled with timing on "Black Dog" (you can hear it in the LP version, and also in different takes that have been released), but didn't know this info concerning "Four Sticks"- thank you!
Led Zeppelin created the best music of all time , forever👏🔥🔥 geniuses of music.🔥🔥
they only did four sticks once 1971 copenhagen and it was very good
Played at least twice that we know of for certain (and on bootlegs) - once in Copenhagen, and once in Odense within a day or 2 of each other.
Led Zeppelin must, must be ranked in the top five rock groups ever .. and most likely, in the top three !!!!!! 🎶🎼🎸🎹
Let’s just say they’re in the top one 😁
Top one for sure !
@soshieopath7142 I'd be happy to say they were #1 if they hadn't stole quite a few if their songs. I played for 10 years and I learned how important it is not to steal from someone else immediately. It's just not cool and yet they did. And yeah I know a lot of bands did it back then but that doesn't make it right.
A lot of parallels with the Beatles but even our best American bands wouldn't want to follow them in concert. Tied for number 1 with nobody.
@@gutsfield3504 Except for the stealing of songs. That part is really not a good outlook on the band. They did have to end up paying after they got sued for stealing those songs.
I don’t think the fans even cared which songs they played or didn’t play at concerts. I think fans were just ecstatic to be at a Zeppelin concert! Besides they could count on a definite Dazed and Confused and Stairway so they were all lucky bastards
One of my favorites
I love FOUR STICKS. It’s one of my favorites by them.
Why not add the title of the song to the video description above?
When I was a kid the first Zeppelin album I got was #4, and I just assumed it was a greatest hits compilation. It still blows my mind, because it has even less filler than the top Beatles albums.
The Beatles wrote a lot of good music. They also wrote a lot of crap and put it on albums. That's one reason I was never a Beatles fan.
WOW!
I never would've thought it was that song...
I LOVED THAT SONG AND LISTENED TO IT INCESSANTLY!
💯
To me Led ZEPPELIN is the best rock band, it reaches in to my soul, it goes beyond any barrier, of what category others may put up, you either feel or you don't, It's like how you feel about your pet's, my German Shepherd and I have that same kind of connection I feel her soul that she puts out there and that special bond between us is unconditional Love, I know there are much better analogies, but that's is close as I can come to trying to explain how I perceive music, art, or even Love itself, you either feel or you don't, 😎✌❤
Good grief
@@drobichaud1000 Spot the Whitesnake/Metallica/Sabbath/Iron Maiden/ Pearl Jam/ insert any vacuous band with no substance here people (that have no clue) that rave about a band, fan. There are things in life that are known to an individual conscious mind from birth. It breathes and learns from it's conception into adulthood to a point where it's own formative lessons become, in a sense, reality, around 22 for male and 20 for female. Once beyond this critical point it becomes exponentially harder for said individual to see beyond their self created mentality/reality. Not necessarily a criticism in itself to any human since it was most specifically created in such a way for this and among other, functions.
Since the Ego is by it's perfectly designed mechanism unable to view itself and it's resulting actions, it instead looks for validation by other means. It seeks like a dying man of thirst or a man dying of thirst whichever way you would like to read it, (or woman 2023 hommes) walking through a barren desert with no end and no sustenance, a way to continue. Continuity cannot be achieved alone in a vacuum. Being locked in a room alone for an extended period of time usually causes extreme mental breakdown, although it may be said while being distressing to an individual it can often cause said individual to momentarily release themselves*, from their ego, thus glimpsing in a breath paradise, however it is visualized on the individuals cultural level. The same moment of realisation it is said can be achieved many different ways, although it is interesting to note how often we, if I may say we, hear it is a moment of extreme distress that shunts the mind into a different way of thinking, such a measure being required after the aforementioned passing of age.
It is also very interesting that perhaps every single person in history (let's start a group and ban that word cuz we got nuthin better to do)that has travelled the veil and returned, within all cultures throughout time has one defining word they bring back from the netherworld. Love. This being the case, it would surely benefit any person to attempt, hard as it may seem, to be mindful of their actions and interactions in this regard. Since the starting point must always be ignorance for any inquisitive mind that may have an inkling hovering in the back of somewhere they can't remember, as it was is and will forever be for me if I could only think what it was I was thinking.
@AleisterCrowley. bring this to your shrink, and when he asks you how you're doing, show him what you wrote. Jesus christ
@@drobichaud1000 Well, they sent me to a shrink before because of criminal activity etc but I just sat in a room with a guy asking me in a roundabout way if I was gay over and over. Nothing against that but I must have said no about 8 times before he got the message. So much for the system eh. There is nothing someone can know by reading that someone else can know by living. But I do get your point, should I feel angry at such a dismissal? What is your intention by that comment? Did I trigger you dude? I feel so insulted.
Well Put
if i remember correctly 4 sticks was a b-side to a 7inch single on a juke box back in sutton coldfield around about 1977!! i think the a.-side was either black dog or heartbreaker!!!
If 4 Sticks is hard, then what is a song like Aja live?
The last season I worked as a scanner operator at NCS/Pearson, I found "4 Sticks" was an almost perfect match to the rhythm of the sounds the machine made while I ran it.
Watched this and the very next thing in my suggestions was Four Sticks live in Copenhagen in 1971.
It's like perpetual motion the four sticks it sounds or sort of reminds of🚭
❤ Four Sticks!!
They played " For Your Life " live for the first time at the O2 Arena reunion with Jason Bonham on drums. Recently, a live performance has surfaced, including the living loving maid, so I think you may not have gotten that one right.
Whenever I hear Heartbreaker on the radio its always followed by Livin' Lovin' Maid. Did they every play that live?
That just PROVES Bonham was a highly overrated drummer and Zep was just as highly overrated band. A rock band that cannot play a number of their songs LIVE cannot be a "great" band. Boston was probably the best example of this. All studio "tricks".
@@steveludwig4200 copy-pasting the same dumbass reply to multiple posts makes you look like even more of a philistine. It might be advisable not to publicise that as much.
Doubt it. Pretty sure Page hated that song
I remember reading somewhere they hated it since it was a filler track. Which I can't help but agree with, easily the weakest off of 2.
Led zep.no.1.all.time
Greatest.band.ever.
That just PROVES Bonham was a highly overrated drummer and Zep was just as highly overrated band. A rock band that cannot play a number of their songs LIVE cannot be a "great" band. Boston was probably the best example of this. All studio "tricks".
A handful of times is not the same as refusing to play it live...Then you say it was never played on stage?!? Which is it?
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I couldn't hear the song ..from what second it was played in the video?
Wow, Can't Believe They Didn't Do 'D'yer Maker' Live As It Had So Much Air Play. Thank You.
That just PROVES Bonham was a highly overrated drummer and Zep was just as highly overrated band. A rock band that cannot play a number of their songs LIVE cannot be a "great" band. Boston was probably the best example of this. All studio "tricks".
@@steveludwig4200 silly Steve. Plain silly
Pronounced "jah make her"..the ocean is the song about playing live..c'mon man,get the facts straight or get a competent editor..ohhh yeah.. that's right, close enough is good enough for today's society.. half-cocked wankers& silly steves'
@@steveludwig4200The reason they didn't play it live is because of the vocal, not the drums.
@@steveludwig4200 1) They didn't play D'yer Maker because they didn't like the song
2), Even though Led Zeppelin played much longer than most other bands, they still only played about 3 hours a night. So by the time House of the Holy came out, they had well over 3 hours of music in their catalog.
3) On that note when choosing songs from Houses of the Holy, TSRTS, Rain Song, OTHAFA, The Ocean and No Quarter and sometimes Dancing Days & the Crunge were chosen as representatives over DM, They were better songs.
Thry didn't play Levee Breaks man times live either, i think because so much went into the album version
There is a live recording of them performing four sticks,I was an early 70's show ,71 or 72.I think europe.
Rober Plant and the Strange Sensation covered this quite nicely.
Page/Plant on tour in mid 90'$ or the unledded version have a little more led in the pencil so to speak in their versions; however,the R.P.&S.S. cover is nothing to sneeze at..
I saw Led Zeppelin in 1970/71 and I noticed that Bonham lost the beat a few times and then, after a short pause, picked it up again from the guitarist. I always thought he was just stoned (as might have been the case), but now I wonder if it was just too complicated for him!??
2:17 broken edit right after the word “explicit”.
I love songs that have titles not based on the lyrics....its so cool 😎
NASA is experimenting with starship drive including sonic pulse engines. Led Zeppelin has been chosen as the best propulsion through the Universe.
They didn't play it in Long Beach when we saw them, but 'Dancing Days' and 'No Quarter' were awesome.
My first guess was 'in the light' (physical graffiti, 1975). In an interview I read years ago, plant stated that they wanted to perform that song life, but somehow they couldn't manage to perform it properly in a satisfying way. They said the same about 'when the levee breaks', which was performed only in very few occasions during the 1975 europe tour I believe.
They had issue with In the Light because they could not get the keyboard sound right live as the equipment needed would have been too cumbersome to take on the road. Levee did not work live for the same reason, too many effects which could not be satisfactorily reproduced live. If they could have stuck around to the mid-80's the gear would have caught up and they could have played both songs live. Oh well.
Zep did play "The Rover" at least once during a sound check.
I LOVE In The Light.
There's a thumbnail on the top of my UA-cam page with a link to a live performance of Four Sticks as I write this comment.
one of the best!
Having been raised on music since the 50's, progressive rock is exactly what 😊😅this music was too me from day one...
"The Ocean" was the one my high school garage band band struggled to perform...Just ask the neighbors!
I absolutely love Four Sticks and has long been one of my favorite Zep somgs. I don't get it and when I heard about this the first time I couldn't believe it. Maybe because I liked the song so much but I've played this song for years and have never had a problem doing it right every time and I'm no musical genius, it must be the drums that are difficult idk? I'm just really baffled that this song was such a problem for them to recreate live....... I would have thought it to be one of the easier songs to do. What do I know???
When the levee breaks was another that was only played live twice I believe.
Check out the live version of Four Stick from the Copenhagen show in 71', it is absolutely brilliant! They should have stuck with Four Sticks, Gallows Pole, & Wonton Song as the live version were amazing.
Wanton Song. Wonton is a Chinese dish.
@@babywah3290 Whoops, my bad.
D'Yer Maker, is pronounced "Ger-maker" as in Your Maker. Right ?
Jamaica!
@@yingtongtiddleyepo..yes it's got the reggae beat..i always came to think it was about getting on with a bird"did you make her..ja make her.. Jamaica 🇯🇲
No, I read an interview, with the band, not a journalist, it was a contraction (or slang) for "did you make her".
That's actually my favorite Zep song.
Little Richard said i alone invented and rock an roll nobody helped me he said in a interview whooo hooo!👑😁😵💫 Good golly miss molly unless u want to count mr Boon dont get me wrong i luv letters in the sand Pat holds his own 😗
A garage band made good......for the times ! Rock&Roll 👍✌️
Four Sticks is in my top 5 LZ songs
In the light was indeed played 1977 i was there
I had the pleasure to see Robert Plant and Saving Grace perform this song last summer.
I think LZ never performed Ten Years Gone live also? 🤔
I'm a Floyd fan.
But in rock music, Led Zeppelin is on the number 1 stand... then Pink Floyd, Stone Temple Pilots, then the others...
Sounds like a sister track to Friends.
This is my favorite Led Zeppelin song. I believe their highwater mark was the soaring bridge on "Four Sticks," not "Stairway to Heaven."
Sounds like it switches up from 5/8 to 6/8
Jimmy Page was and is a great composer
Four sticks was played once one time in Denmark
Twice
"We’ve done four already, but now we’re steady. Then they went One, Two, Three, Four.....
Boun doun danna da dump...
Wow cool story man thank you
They played it a few times on the 71 tour, but no, not much.
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Personally, I don't don't think it was too much for the band. More likely it was too much for Robert's voice on a nightly basis. It's about as high as he ever sang. By 73, he's routinely ducking the high parts of Over the Hills and Far Away.
Once again UA-cam at it's crappiest.
@mark nobody fact checks or edits.. participation trophies for everyone 🎉🎉
That’s one song I close my eyes and let my imagination run wild while listening to it.
we really don't care at all, this isn't all about you cupcake
It's hard to overdub live.
"Four Sticks" Perhaps that's the "Real" Album Title? Who has ever DONE a 5/8, 6/8 Song on LP?! Only Bonham cudda' pulled that off!!!
Groupe souvent copié, jamais égalé. Jimmy Page le meilleur guitariste de tous les temps.❤❤❤
They didn't play "In the Light" live.
I think that whole story is garbage. First they played it pretty rare because they had so much material, better and more popular, that they haven't time to play that. Also, they reported that they being creating that song for eternity, but they created the whole album in a week. So, ... In this track they have no ideas how to end it, they have different ideas but nothing clicked until they pause that and first made Rock 'n Roll.
In the early Seventies’ media Plant’s Blonde mane was rivaled by Farrah Fawcett’s , they would put one against the other
Great ending
Surprises me that Jimmy didn't like 'Living Loving Maid'...
Reality on every level…
Uh i saw them play Both of those songs live...................Next
The days you needed to be a Jazz musician to play rock'n'roll. Instead of just fuck off when the jetset Lifestyle contradicts anything that ever made you play that rebellious music in the first place.
Personally, don't agree, four sticks is not that difficult to play, bonham could of easily played the verse section in 5/4 with normal 2 drum sticks, possibly the real reason they choose not to play it live too often, was simply, as a band, they chose not to?
That just PROVES Bonham was a highly overrated drummer and Zep was just as highly overrated band. A rock band that cannot play a number of their songs LIVE cannot be a "great" band. Boston was probably the best example of this. All studio "tricks".
Read Read his comment. They chose not to play it, not because they couldn't.
@@steveludwig4200 Wow! Congratulations on mastering Control-C/Control-V... What, you paid per word, or something..?
@@steveludwig4200 I'm confused by your example of Boston not being able to perform their songs live. I realize that the music was all composed, recorded and produced by Sholz and Depp in Sholz's basement and that they hired "the other band members" to perform live. But they did their share of touring and did a really good job live.
@@therottenrandy I had the misfortune of seeing them LIVE in 78 in Fort Worth. Sounded absolutely unlistenable as the headline act. For comparison Sammy Hagar opened and sounded great.
I just saw a Zep tribute that floored me. They do the live approach and it’s so raw with tons of energy. They also copy LZ mannerisms on stage.
And they’re all in their twenties!
What's their name? Where , and when did you see them?
You should try to see Lez Zeppelin. All-girl tribute band. Best I've seen so far.
@@Loonypapa while I appreciate the ladies and their talents I'm less impressed with a female singing a male vocalists songs. They physically already have an advantage with their vocal range. It's still good, I just don't care for it.
Be very wary of these tribute bands touring small concert venues. They sound great because they're miming to tracks .
@@chasleask8533 I personally know about 6 tributes and am also working on one. A couple of them use backing tracks for keyboards, sound effects and backing vocal support. But most of them (and mine) don't use ANY accompanying or triggered tracks. That Zepplin tribute was 100% raw and live.
they have played four sticks live
A herd of goats
I'm not sure what makes this song so difficult in your view. It's quite simple, musically, and not complicated rhythmically. For Plant, sure, this became impossible for him to sing after 1973, at least not without dodging and substituting the high notes for lower notes.
Did he injure his vocal cords???
@@debunkthelies Not sure what happened, but within the span of a year, 1972 to 1973, he went from amazing vocal agility to his voice breaking and cracking constantly, and then having to sing all the early songs lower. He lost the high notes that defined his vocals on the early albums.
@@dtsdigitalden5023Abused his vocal chords in those early days doing crazy acrobatics without proper training, and refusing to give his voice the breaks it needed, including when they played Royal Albert Hall in 1970 while he was suffering from laryngitis. (It's one of their best shows, btw. My god, that stuff was glorious. It's a shame it was so unsustainable.)
So, yeah, don't be like him, but enjoy it for what it was. 😅
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You are going to discuss a song in detail but not play it?! Copyright worries?
these guys were alright. there studio work had so much over-dubbing they couldnt reproduce it live. i dont know if some people believe louder is better but any live work i have heard from them sounded like a lot of really loud noise. bonham had a difficult time finding a band that wanted him as a member. sorry i do not agree with many of you.
im 63 and have heard many bands from this time period that i feel were leaps and bounds better live than zep. i do appreciate their studio music and recording abilities. even though the drums are not as technical i put the band wishbone ash (and other bands) over zep in a live performance. at the least the guitar sounds and licks were more like their studio work.
plant would follow small faces around and kind of steal the sound of steve marriot. the song whole lotta love sounds like one previously done from small faces and they had some issues with copying other bands as well.
I'm curious how someone who's purported to be telling us LZ history doesn't know how to pronounce D'Yer Maker... especially a Brit! Or perhaps it's just another robot voice that no one bothered to proof-listen...
I concur Jah..can you say bluddy wanker(aka dolt).. there's yer answer,unlessitsan Ai bot🤦🤔✌️🌿
Considering I play this song four sticks isn’t difficult at all. Lol having a hard time believing they had such a hard time playing it.
It wasn't Four Sticks that was too difficult to play Live. It was Chop Sticks.
Shit, Tool could do this while making a cappuccino and signing autographs. This isn't all that complex.
But could they write it?
@@dbclassic8733 If you wanted it in multiple time signatures and played much better, then yes. Have you ever heard any Tool songs?
@@danroberts9050 and a machine or computer could do it much better than Tool, not the point Sunshine
@@dbclassic8733 Not sure what YOUR point is, but the point of this post is "The Led Zeppelin song so difficult that they refused to play it live." That's what I'm responding to. Perhaps you got lost or your Alzheimers is is flaring up or something, but I'm discussing the actual point of this post. Not "machines and computers" doing music. (Or robots, or Terminators or zombie apocalypses or whatever other rambling you're stuck on. Maybe you watch too many movies. drrr) Evidently that's another video somewhere else - SUNSHINE.
@@danroberts9050 didn't realise we were answering exam questions on click bait headlines Tiger 🐯
unreal. can't believe anyone would have trouble with four sticks, simple riff. played it in Jr. high, no trouble. can you count to five? come in on 4. 45 12345 12345 etc
It was the vocal that was too difficult. RP couldn't sustain his voice night after night for 3+ hours and FS is his most demanding song.
source? the video implied bonham had a problem with the 5/4 beat. I rewatched some old solo rp solo stuff and he doesn't sing the high part on the record so could be. @@stitchgrimly6167
Dye Happy.
Because they're not Zappa or his bands
4Stix, 🖤 🐶, 🌧️, Kashmir
Far out man digging ledzeplin ,far out gabby.
Not a single pattern of Led Zeppelin music in this video
ALBUM 4 WAS THE BEST
four sticks
guess Page refuses anything that isnt groovy and loose and instead metronimical and tight