I am a solid 2. We do not know where ppl are on their journey, even famous people. We cannot know what they are doing, maybe they are staying silent to gather info to give to the FBI or a lawyer. Maybe the trauma is so great they cannot speak out.
If famous people spoke out and called Scientology out, maybe, just maybe, it would break it up faster bring attention of lawmakers and they would be free! If The Sea Org saw John Travolta call it out it would put doubt in there devotion to the church! Maybe would save lives and not wasted on the lie!? Silence= complicit
With great power & influence comes great responsibility. If you were famous as a Scientologist, you 100% helped to enable recruiting. If you were famous, you were used as a lure, and now have to do your part to undo the damage you helped create. I do think there is a duty to clean up your mess.
Celebrities absolutely have a responsibility to speak out at least once. their platform by nature can help recruit people, so by the same logic they must use that same platform to reverse the damage. If there is a chance even one person joined because of that celebrity's influence they are morally obligated to utilize the same influence once they have woken up.
Natalie do you think Leah would be speaking out if she wasn’t getting paid for it? From her own mouth to gods ear she has said she doesn’t work for free. She made a Lot of money off of people telling their stories and has turned her back on them.
Leah is broken. She wrote about it. She can't handle aging. Her vanity, greed, loss of an acting career... she has lost her way, having no humility. She burned her bridges.
I am 100 % agree with you Natalie , we do not know what she went through while in scatology land, the person need to be healed before being able to speak out , I speak from my own experience of my early childhood of S_x abuse, not until I was heal I was not able to speak about it. also each individual heal at different time or way, I would never will forced anybody to do something that is not ready to do so because it could be very damaging for that person (perspective from my social work studies as well)
When Laura Prepon announced that she'd left Scientology, her kids were just 1 and 4, and I always thought she's kept quiet about criticizing the Church because she didn't want her young family to be Fair Gamed. Ultimately, I feel it's up to the individual re: what they want to do, after leaving, but that's just my personal opinion. Thanks for seeing both sides of the coin, Natalie!
I'm sending love your way. I hope all of the wonderful memories with Your Tony are able to hold you up as you battle the waves of grief. There isn't much we can do to stop our tears, but I pray they are mixed with tears of joy that come from honoring the love you shared 🥰
Has anyone ever had an interview with a certified doctor to go over the health issues. Sleep deprivation, food, sauna, niacin, not getting any sun, and whatever else. I've always wondered what they think of scientology's weird and horrible practices.
about celebrities talking against scn... it really depends. I also think that they can do things that strongly signal their distaste of scn and cults without necessarily stating "I hate scn". as you mention, Natalie, they get abuse and they get fair game too. yes, a good example is to speak out once.
Voting based on whether or not the COS should be tax exempt is a fight for _after_ the most important Election EVER! Democracy & Freedom, then the cult. ✌️🇺🇸
I’m following Relatable Reese’s effort to expose the Jesters and I am cheering her on. It takes a lot of courage to do what she is doing. Love you, Reese.
Laura should speak out especially because she was someone who intimidated, fair gamed and harassed at least one of the Jane Does for reporting Danny’s crimes
Natalie, I love your channel! You are so cool, smart and hilarious. That story about Mark Chapman is the best. Anyway thank you for always entertaining me😊
I was laughing just as hard as you at our girl @Anne Caslllas talking about the std’s & pink eye etc!! 😂🤣🤣🤣 and you laughing of course made me laugh harder lol I had to pause girl 😂 Thanks Nat ❤ just love you girl 😘🫂😘🫂💐
Hi Natalie love the recaps. My thoughts on Laura Prepon I wish she did speak out but respect her feelings on not doing so. What I do respect is that she didn't write a letter in support of Danny Masterson. I feel that alone shows more support of his victims than Leah is showing now.
I think a lot of celebrities that leave Scientology. And Don’t talk out against Scientology because they are too embedded into Hollywood and they’re afraid it will ruin their career.
I think those that promoted the cult have a responsibility once they leave to talk about. If they have never prompted the cult, I say let them leave quietly and continue their life.
Natalie, has anyone ever considered the thought that Prepon maybe embarrassed about any association with Scientology and Masterson? That for her career to continue at all that she would need to completely distance herself from all of it? For example: Jodie Foster completely distancing herself from the wackjob who tried to assassinate the president. I'm thinking "Lesson Learned," she's dumped the baggage, and on to the rest of her life. I mean if you're a survivor of the Holocaust, why go back and visit the concentration camps? You all know how completely dangerous these people are to your life and well being.
2. Celebrity or not, you're not obligated to put a target on your back by a mafia-like organization. I think just putting out there "I'm not with them anymore" is enough.
One could also say Leah has a responsibility to speak out about the child abuse in Scientology - but for some reason (!) she chooses not to. One rule for her and one for Laura Prepon???
@@werecarryingsignsnow245 That was a long time ago. She doesn't do that now - and in fact apparently, when Serge asked her why she doesn't speak out about the child abuse she said she doesn't have a dog in that fight. Both Serge and Aaron have spokekn about this....just fyi.
@@bellagaia2796 Thank you! I had to switch from cable to Hulu and lost access to her show's repeats and OnDemand. I'll look again. Thank you for the clarity!
I think we should gave someone who left an organization some grace, we don't know and we are not the judge of their past experiences. They may have family and they fear disconnection. Let them heal and come forth when they can
I believe if your a celebrity who promotes Scientology then quits it, that celebrity does has an obligation to speak out and to stop others from joining.
The answer to the question of celebrity obligation to speak out: It depends. When there are competing "moral values," a person may be forced to choose to be silent. While a person may be willing to suffer, would he /she be willing for their children to suffer because of their decision to speak out? I would not. So, Leah if you don't know why someone has been silent, stop judging them.
If they have used the platform to promote then yes, they should say something (even if just to say it wasnt the experience i expected) - the exception being those like nicole who will lose family
2. I think anyone has a choice of how they respond to abusive situations. Everyone’s personality and situations are different. They don’t owe anyone an explanation. Putting pressure on them to do more can cause anyone still in, thinking of getting out to stay in.
I don’t know if celebrities (there’s not many to be honest that are in the cult) have an obligation to speak out against the cult but it would sure be nice if they would grow a backbone and yes speak out because it can only help the people who are stuck in it.
People deconstruct and heal trauma at their own pace. If she caused harm behind the scenes, like Jane Does, she should take accountability and take steps to repair damage behind the scenes as well
I'm of 2 minds about celebs being "obligated" to speak out against Scientology. I would have to say no. Maybe they have family members still in. I 100% wish they would though, just once, for the record. Would LOVE Nicole Kidman to speak out. I don't feel there is much chance her kids will walk away from Scientology so, I'd love for her to speak out...not holding my breath. 😁
1 she was vocal to get in and she should not be able to just walk away create chaos for others and not try to fix the mistake that she made by trying to discourage future people from joining. Furthermore, she harassed one of the Janos so her hands are not clean. She should start repenting.
Celebs are just people too who hurt like the rest of us. If their celebrity was used to coerce and recruit then I think they should make amends, apologies, reparations in whatever way possible but they also have a right to heal and live their best life.
2 - Celebrities are people no special skills over others to heal. They’re just people like the rest of us, some even more screwed up by virtue of being a celebrity in the 1st place.
Remini and Rinder didn't just speak out, thy made a lot of money selling other people's stories and throwing them under the bus. Now she wants to set the rules for other celebrities leaving? Now she's the "only one" taking the beating? Not everyone wants to get in trouble like the troublemaker.
The substrate is yellowish. It might not be structural damage. It looks like it was color coat stucco applied over the original to match the blue building. It fades, cracks, and peels away over time.
2222. Firstly, love your daily updates. Secondly, just because a person is a celebrity doesn’t mean they have to do anything they are not comfortable with. I applaud people who speak out, and respect others if they just want to move on. ❤❤❤
My second comment. For years they had Sea org members, doing work that could have and did endanger them. Building or fixing problems in these buildings. Of course they probably have tons of problems. Not because of the lack of a sea org. Efforts. It's just that David miscavige loves his free labor. Disgusting. That would be the result, of putting people's lives in danger, & putting people that are not properly trained, how to do the work, that they do. Side note - the comment about STD and pink eye, had me laughing out loud, so hard my side was hurting.
i don't feel like Anyone has a responsibility to speak out. I think this is an individual choice, period. Also, just because she hasn't spoken out yet, doesn't mean she may not in the future. Calling her out publicly is likely not going to to bring her out, in my opinion. I certainly don't feel like Leah Remini should be the anti-Scientology police and making statements like this. Anyone in a cult likely has their own trauma and therefore has the right to deal with it in their own way.
@@mimipacheco722 Leah can speak out as much as she wants. That has been her journey and I respect her for it. I just don 't think it is up to her that anyone else has to. Its each person's own choice.
Replay crew: re:Jenna- it’s insane to think that a “religion” could isolate you from your family just for being upset that they are taking away your own, actual, personal property.
Should celebs leaving SOC speak out??… 1 and 2! If they were private about their beliefs, I don’t think they have much of an obligation to speak out (although it would be nice). BUT, if they were public about being a member, and/or encouraged people to join, then they definitely need to make some public statement(s) about their leaving.
1.... They should because a lot of fans look up to these celebrities & will stupidly follow them by joining the cult just like they'll hopefully leave when these celebrities wake up to themselves.
It has to be an individual choice. Forcing someone to speak out may be just as detrimental to that person as it was when he/she was in the cult. No one wants group think. Needs to be individual thinking that may or may not be in line with someone else's. It he/she speaks out fine, if not, also fine. It's called free will. Free to choose one's own way in life.
I feel it is up to any individual person to speak out. Celebrities are just like us. They want to have privacy too. This why many celebrities would not contact fans in social media. They are just like us.
natalie, can't believe you missed the joke at 17:43 about how almost EVERYTHNG is "above the pay grade" of a sea org member, considering how much they AREN'T paid
Absolutely 2. Leah judges others way too freely, considering her own dismal record Just stating she's no longer a practicing Scientologist says quite a bit.
Laura Prepon should speak out as she gave an interview while on Otange is the New Black saying it was incorrect to suggest COS is anti gsy. I don't think you can dictate people's healing process on exiting cults. As you don't know, their experience or current trauma. However, because she was a public figure playing a gsy character in a hugely successful gay show. I think she should at least correct that misinformation she said to protect her gay fans & others from COS. I hope you're doing okay with all the difficult firsts & your grieving process. Sending you much love❤
Regarding Fair Game and how it happens outside of cults... Wait until you see my interview with Cults and Atheists. Jenni is going to drop it today or tomorrow. But I spoke about my own experience with people here on UA-cam. It's wild how all predators seem to have read the same handbook!
hiya everyone! I was wondering if the first one shown was the same young guy that was eating outside all those months ago. and his sister came to stop him talking to the protesters. he was wearing a t-shirt and a plaid shirt on top at the time? he was trying to defend scn, but apparently that was wrong of him according to scn?
I don’t believe anybody is obligated to discuss any subject they don’t feel comfortable discussing. I like Leah, but I’m disappointed in what she said. Would she say the same thing to a celebrity who had been SA and say that they have an obligation to talk about it, report it, discuss it, or anything like that? If the answer is no, then this should be treated the same way. Good or bad, celebrity or not, nobody is obligated to anybody else to discuss their experiences about anything outside of a court order.
I think their level of advocacy after should match the advocacy they practiced in the group. If they were outspoken and encouraging people to join Scientology then they should be just as outspoken and encourage people to leave when they get out, if they were quiet about it to begin with I don't see any obligation to talk about it now that they are out.
Leah told Serge she didn't "have a dog in that fight" when he asked why she isn't shining a light on the children being abused in the cult. She's got no right to be criticising others about it. I also think that it is also reasonable to expect celebrities to talk about it at least once, like Jason Beghe did. You want to be famous? Show some integrity and use that platform #nomorekidsinscientology because #KIDSCANNOTCONSENT
2... Celebrities leaving COS have the same healing to do. I do believe that, when they are sufficiently healed, then they should speak out AND share their healing process. NOW, I have pretty much have always thought Prepon was a major flake; flitting from one belief system to another. Sciento gave her the recognition she craved, so she stayed longer. I have trouble believing she actually bought in to COS. I could rant for days on this, but the answer to you question is, No I don't feel that they are obligated or responsible to expose Scientology. Their leaving becomes a public statement in and of itself. Please, pardon my wordiness.
1 1/2 - celebs are people too, they DO have a large platform but they are people, and deserve to be treated with humanity (which cos doesn’t do) however if their platform can persuade someone to leave then I think they may want to consider speaking out. With JB he would have tremendous clout if he did speak out solely based on where he is in his career. In the end with that being said, I wouldn’t want to see him lose everything if he did. I will still watch KoQ reruns because I will always support Leah Remini.
my feelings about a celebrity that leaves Sci, I think Laura Prepon, she got into it as an adult, she has no family left behind and she was always a celebrity when she was in. Was she really victimized by them? Probably not, and she recruited many in. I am not advocating to make her bare her soul publicly, just maybe say something, to let people know that she does not support that any more and maybe why, if it is not traumatic for her. Let's face it she was in with Danny M and his crew, did she really go through what other non celebrities went through. Most likely not. I am just giving my opinion, I am not against LP or anyone else.
funny not funny, I was just thinking with the 5K. It's a horrible thought. Apologies in advance. Sea org . Members can do 5K with ease. They run everywhere, all the time. When are they not running. Does not mean they're healthy. I'm just speculating. Scientology can never just do something good. That's why when it comes to Scientology, my thoughts are that the glass is half full. Side note- as soon as William got into the story of ot3, those two gentlemen packed it up. It's sad. Scientology gives themselves away, all the time.
Celebrities have a higher risk to lose there livelihood by fair gaming take leah remini for example she has not been able to work a a few years now because no one who is connected to her ie: producers,directors streaming services want to be fair gamed
Which is why it is so important for these celebrities, who have resources "regular" folks being attacked by Scientology simply do not have, to use those resources and platforms to expose it! How else will it ever stop?
@HippieChick69. It will stop by one person at a time and maybe their family deciding they can leave on their own terms. Knowing there’s another group of people on the outside who’s going to pressure you to do more than you’re ready for may actually backfire and cause them to stay in.
I am a solid 2. We do not know where ppl are on their journey, even famous people. We cannot know what they are doing, maybe they are staying silent to gather info to give to the FBI or a lawyer. Maybe the trauma is so great they cannot speak out.
If famous people spoke out and called Scientology out, maybe, just maybe, it would break it up faster bring attention of lawmakers and they would be free! If The Sea Org saw John Travolta call it out it would put doubt in there devotion to the church!
Maybe would save lives and not wasted on the lie!?
Silence= complicit
They should be black listed no movie and TV roles until they do denounce COS
@@greglockhart8315 sound like the 50s and McCarthy era.
@@Hamingja6266 no it's different they are supporting a child abuse cult
If a celeb used their public platform to promote it, then they definitely have an obligation to speak out when they leave.
I used to respect her but who exactly does Leah think she is to tell ANYONE to do anything. Ma'am... take several seats.
With great power & influence comes great responsibility. If you were famous as a Scientologist, you 100% helped to enable recruiting. If you were famous, you were used as a lure, and now have to do your part to undo the damage you helped create. I do think there is a duty to clean up your mess.
Celebrities absolutely have a responsibility to speak out at least once. their platform by nature can help recruit people, so by the same logic they must use that same platform to reverse the damage. If there is a chance even one person joined because of that celebrity's influence they are morally obligated to utilize the same influence once they have woken up.
100%
Yes
Excellent point
1. Absolutely. Their celebrity legitimatized the cult.
I personally believe if you are a celebrity and left Scientology it is absolutely your duty to speak out against it.
Natalie do you think Leah would be speaking out if she wasn’t getting paid for it? From her own mouth to gods ear she has said she doesn’t work for free. She made a Lot of money off of people telling their stories and has turned her back on them.
🎯 You’re spot on!
Leah is broken. She wrote about it. She can't handle aging. Her vanity, greed, loss of an acting career... she has lost her way, having no humility. She burned her bridges.
I am 100 % agree with you Natalie , we do not know what she went through while in scatology land, the person need to be healed before being able to speak out , I speak from my own experience of my early childhood of S_x abuse, not until I was heal I was not able to speak about it. also each individual heal at different time or way, I would never will forced anybody to do something that is not ready to do so because it could be very damaging for that person (perspective from my social work studies as well)
When Laura Prepon announced that she'd left Scientology, her kids were just 1 and 4, and I always thought she's kept quiet about criticizing the Church because she didn't want her young family to be Fair Gamed. Ultimately, I feel it's up to the individual re: what they want to do, after leaving, but that's just my personal opinion. Thanks for seeing both sides of the coin, Natalie!
Great point.
@@NatalieLifeAfterACult 😊
Yes they have to speak out
I'm sending love your way. I hope all of the wonderful memories with Your Tony are able to hold you up as you battle the waves of grief. There isn't much we can do to stop our tears, but I pray they are mixed with tears of joy that come from honoring the love you shared 🥰
Has anyone ever had an interview with a certified doctor to go over the health issues. Sleep deprivation, food, sauna, niacin, not getting any sun, and whatever else. I've always wondered what they think of scientology's weird and horrible practices.
Yes been following Reese. That whole story of the jesters cult is outrageous
Jason Beghe did two videos with Mark Bunker and also flew to Germany and spoke at some sort of council meeting. As I recall anyway.
I feel the new term 'quiet quitting' could literally have been created to describe people leaving Fsciento 💜
I just can't with Leah Remini. I respect her speaking out, but...I just can't.
about celebrities talking against scn... it really depends. I also think that they can do things that strongly signal their distaste of scn and cults without necessarily stating "I hate scn". as you mention, Natalie, they get abuse and they get fair game too. yes, a good example is to speak out once.
Voting based on whether or not the COS should be tax exempt is a fight for _after_ the most important Election EVER! Democracy & Freedom, then the cult. ✌️🇺🇸
about Reliable Reez topic of that other cult group is mind blowing
2 I feel people need time to heal first before speaking out
I’m following Relatable Reese’s effort to expose the Jesters and I am cheering her on. It takes a lot of courage to do what she is doing. Love you, Reese.
What bad have the Jesters done? I have never heard of this cult.
2 they have already been through enough. If they are able to talk and that’s something they want to - great. Being called out is bullying
Glad ZDT is on the court’s radar now. He kept it up knowing how young Solomon is!
Laura should speak out especially because she was someone who intimidated, fair gamed and harassed at least one of the Jane Does for reporting Danny’s crimes
Oh really? She did? Good to know. I’ll have to do a review in her next tv show if that’s even reality. Doubt it I think she’s finished.
Natalie, I love your channel! You are so cool, smart and hilarious. That story about Mark Chapman is the best. Anyway thank you for always entertaining me😊
I was laughing just as hard as you at our girl @Anne Caslllas talking about the std’s & pink eye etc!! 😂🤣🤣🤣 and you laughing of course made me laugh harder lol I had to pause girl 😂
Thanks Nat ❤ just love you girl 😘🫂😘🫂💐
Hi Natalie love the recaps. My thoughts on Laura Prepon I wish she did speak out but respect her feelings on not doing so. What I do respect is that she didn't write a letter in support of Danny Masterson. I feel that alone shows more support of his victims than Leah is showing now.
I think a lot of celebrities that leave Scientology. And Don’t talk out against Scientology because they are too embedded into Hollywood and they’re afraid it will ruin their career.
I think those that promoted the cult have a responsibility once they leave to talk about. If they have never prompted the cult, I say let them leave quietly and continue their life.
Natalie, has anyone ever considered the thought that Prepon maybe embarrassed about any association with Scientology and Masterson? That for her career to continue at all that she would need to completely distance herself from all of it?
For example: Jodie Foster completely distancing herself from the wackjob who tried to assassinate the president.
I'm thinking "Lesson Learned," she's dumped the baggage, and on to the rest of her life.
I mean if you're a survivor of the Holocaust, why go back and visit the concentration camps?
You all know how completely dangerous these people are to your life and well being.
What did Scientology do to bring in a giant crack on their building?
I believe it's personal. Not everyone needs to express themselves openly to orhers.
2. Celebrity or not, you're not obligated to put a target on your back by a mafia-like organization. I think just putting out there "I'm not with them anymore" is enough.
One could also say Leah has a responsibility to speak out about the child abuse in Scientology - but for some reason (!) she chooses not to. One rule for her and one for Laura Prepon???
I've seen Leah talk about it on her show. just fyi, Best to you and all.
@@werecarryingsignsnow245 That was a long time ago. She doesn't do that now - and in fact apparently, when Serge asked her why she doesn't speak out about the child abuse she said she doesn't have a dog in that fight. Both Serge and Aaron have spokekn about this....just fyi.
@@bellagaia2796 Thank you! I had to switch from cable to Hulu and lost access to her show's repeats and OnDemand. I'll look again. Thank you for the clarity!
I think we should gave someone who left an organization some grace, we don't know and we are not the judge of their past experiences. They may have family and they fear disconnection. Let them heal and come forth when they can
I believe if your a celebrity who promotes Scientology then quits it, that celebrity does has an obligation to speak out and to stop others from joining.
The answer to the question of celebrity obligation to speak out:
It depends. When there are competing "moral values," a person may be forced to choose to be silent.
While a person may be willing to suffer, would he /she be willing for their children to suffer because of their decision to speak out?
I would not.
So, Leah if you don't know why someone has been silent, stop judging them.
Public apology to all victims would be appropriate! Until then I'll keep skipping by her cooking videos.
@@yvonne9484100%
1- they have to correct the false data they put out. That’s on them to fix it
If they have used the platform to promote then yes, they should say something (even if just to say it wasnt the experience i expected) - the exception being those like nicole who will lose family
2. I think anyone has a choice of how they respond to abusive situations. Everyone’s personality and situations are different. They don’t owe anyone an explanation. Putting pressure on them to do more can cause anyone still in, thinking of getting out to stay in.
I don’t know if celebrities (there’s not many to be honest that are in the cult) have an obligation to speak out against the cult but it would sure be nice if they would grow a backbone and yes speak out because it can only help the people who are stuck in it.
People deconstruct and heal trauma at their own pace. If she caused harm behind the scenes, like Jane Does, she should take accountability and take steps to repair damage behind the scenes as well
ANYTHING FOR A BUCK RENMEMBI. BLAH BLAH BLAH
Let's see a picture of LRH. How healthy did he live? Not so much.
I'm of 2 minds about celebs being "obligated" to speak out against Scientology. I would have to say no. Maybe they have family members still in. I 100% wish they would though, just once, for the record. Would LOVE Nicole Kidman to speak out. I don't feel there is much chance her kids will walk away from Scientology so, I'd love for her to speak out...not holding my breath. 😁
I think that is more of an NDA from divorce like he did with Suris mom.
How are NDAs inforced if signed under duress or probably threat.
They should speak out
1 she was vocal to get in and she should not be able to just walk away create chaos for others and not try to fix the mistake that she made by trying to discourage future people from joining. Furthermore, she harassed one of the Janos so her hands are not clean. She should start repenting.
@@mimipacheco722the NDA was part of the Divorce Settlement, Kidman had her own legal team and Cruise had his.
Leah says she left that scientology a long time ago because its no good but she goes out and profits from it every day
Celebs are just people too who hurt like the rest of us. If their celebrity was used to coerce and recruit then I think they should make amends, apologies, reparations in whatever way possible but they also have a right to heal and live their best life.
As a celebrity maybe she did not experience or see most of the negative things that others went through.
Gang stalking also fits with school athletes etc..
2 - Celebrities are people no special skills over others to heal. They’re just people like the rest of us, some even more screwed up by virtue of being a celebrity in the 1st place.
Remini and Rinder didn't just speak out, thy made a lot of money selling other people's stories and throwing them under the bus. Now she wants to set the rules for other celebrities leaving? Now she's the "only one" taking the beating? Not everyone wants to get in trouble like the troublemaker.
The substrate is yellowish. It might not be structural damage. It looks like it was color coat stucco applied over the original to match the blue building. It fades, cracks, and peels away over time.
i could not but question if he is an elected judge. If so wouldn't it be great if voters found out.
Definitely 1
2222. Firstly, love your daily updates. Secondly, just because a person is a celebrity doesn’t mean they have to do anything they are not comfortable with. I applaud people who speak out, and respect others if they just want to move on. ❤❤❤
I feel if Laura Prepon can say she’s left Scientology then she is ready to talk about it. You wouldn’t say that if you weren’t ready for fallout.
Enjoy your podcasts.
Reasoning and evidence matter. Thumbs up, to you.
🌐 The DOUBLE STANDARD is common with psychopaths, and other antisocials. Fuled by extreme JEALOUSY, they are all the same at their core
My second comment.
For years they had Sea org members, doing work that could have and did endanger them. Building or fixing problems in these buildings. Of course they probably have tons of problems. Not because of the lack of a sea org. Efforts. It's just that David miscavige loves his free labor. Disgusting. That would be the result, of putting people's lives in danger, & putting people that are not properly trained, how to do the work, that they do.
Side note - the comment about STD and pink eye, had me laughing out loud, so hard my side was hurting.
Freemasons is an order, NOT a cult
Johnny Lewis (actor)grew up as a scientologist, never spoke out, but what you see what he did says volumes of what the cult does to people...
i don't feel like Anyone has a responsibility to speak out. I think this is an individual choice, period. Also, just because she hasn't spoken out yet, doesn't mean she may not in the future. Calling her out publicly is likely not going to to bring her out, in my opinion. I certainly don't feel like Leah Remini should be the anti-Scientology police and making statements like this. Anyone in a cult likely has their own trauma and therefore has the right to deal with it in their own way.
How many times does Leah have to speak out. Doesn't her book her speaking out.
@@mimipacheco722 Leah can speak out as much as she wants. That has been her journey and I respect her for it. I just don 't think it is up to her that anyone else has to. Its each person's own choice.
Replay crew: re:Jenna- it’s insane to think that a “religion” could isolate you from your family just for being upset that they are taking away your own, actual, personal property.
Should celebs leaving SOC speak out??… 1 and 2! If they were private about their beliefs, I don’t think they have much of an obligation to speak out (although it would be nice). BUT, if they were public about being a member, and/or encouraged people to join, then they definitely need to make some public statement(s) about their leaving.
1.... They should because a lot of fans look up to these celebrities & will stupidly follow them by joining the cult just like they'll hopefully leave when these celebrities wake up to themselves.
It has to be an individual choice. Forcing someone to speak out may be just as detrimental to that person as it was when he/she was in the cult. No one wants group think. Needs to be individual thinking that may or may not be in line with someone else's. It he/she speaks out fine, if not, also fine. It's called free will. Free to choose one's own way in life.
Hi OSA: Where were you when the Whittier earthquake hit? We were right across the street. Do not block the street anymore. Yes, Hollywood rocked hard.
In two minds about LR...but she has kind of made a career out of it...
1. No one should be required to speak.
1 I've definitely been watching Reese about those creeper jesters! Ick
Lebanon Hall looks more like The Wall of Jericho.
CoS don’t care about a crack we know that they’ll just keep the insurance $ and make the SO fix it right? 😂😩
I feel it is up to any individual person to speak out. Celebrities are just like us. They want to have privacy too. This why many celebrities would not contact fans in social media. They are just like us.
natalie, can't believe you missed the joke at 17:43 about how almost EVERYTHNG is "above the pay grade" of a sea org member, considering how much they AREN'T paid
Absolutely 2. Leah judges others way too freely, considering her own dismal record
Just stating she's no longer a practicing Scientologist says quite a bit.
Replay 2 just because there job was a actor and more visible , they are hurt because of CO’s just the same
Laura Prepon should speak out as she gave an interview while on Otange is the New Black saying it was incorrect to suggest COS is anti gsy. I don't think you can dictate people's healing process on exiting cults. As you don't know, their experience or current trauma. However, because she was a public figure playing a gsy character in a hugely successful gay show. I think she should at least correct that misinformation she said to protect her gay fans & others from COS. I hope you're doing okay with all the difficult firsts & your grieving process. Sending you much love❤
Whats so legitimate about anti scientology hacks. Obviously the anti people are making money.
I believe it depends on their story. If their experience wasn’t like the second gen’s, then yes they should use their voice/platform.
Since Tom Cruse is king. What would he say? There is your answer. They bow down to the king like sheep don't they?
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Regarding Fair Game and how it happens outside of cults... Wait until you see my interview with Cults and Atheists. Jenni is going to drop it today or tomorrow. But I spoke about my own experience with people here on UA-cam. It's wild how all predators seem to have read the same handbook!
Leah supports Hot Mess Stef and MR. It’s difficult to respect the woman anymore.
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hiya everyone! I was wondering if the first one shown was the same young guy that was eating outside all those months ago. and his sister came to stop him talking to the protesters. he was wearing a t-shirt and a plaid shirt on top at the time? he was trying to defend scn, but apparently that was wrong of him according to scn?
Replay crew-1 celebrities have an obligation because they reach more people. As I typed this you said the very same thing.
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I don’t believe anybody is obligated to discuss any subject they don’t feel comfortable discussing. I like Leah, but I’m disappointed in what she said. Would she say the same thing to a celebrity who had been SA and say that they have an obligation to talk about it, report it, discuss it, or anything like that? If the answer is no, then this should be treated the same way. Good or bad, celebrity or not, nobody is obligated to anybody else to discuss their experiences about anything outside of a court order.
I think their level of advocacy after should match the advocacy they practiced in the group. If they were outspoken and encouraging people to join Scientology then they should be just as outspoken and encourage people to leave when they get out, if they were quiet about it to begin with I don't see any obligation to talk about it now that they are out.
The one dude looked familiar because he looked like a younger Aaron
@Anne Casillas 😂😂😂😂🔥🔥
Leah told Serge she didn't "have a dog in that fight" when he asked why she isn't shining a light on the children being abused in the cult. She's got no right to be criticising others about it.
I also think that it is also reasonable to expect celebrities to talk about it at least once, like Jason Beghe did. You want to be famous? Show some integrity and use that platform
#nomorekidsinscientology because #KIDSCANNOTCONSENT
She may still be in denial about her childhood in scientology 😢
2... Celebrities leaving COS have the same healing to do. I do believe that, when they are sufficiently healed, then they should speak out AND share their healing process. NOW, I have pretty much have always thought Prepon was a major flake; flitting from one belief system to another. Sciento gave her the recognition she craved, so she stayed longer. I have trouble believing she actually bought in to COS. I could rant for days on this, but the answer to you question is, No I don't feel that they are obligated or responsible to expose Scientology. Their leaving becomes a public statement in and of itself. Please, pardon my wordiness.
1 1/2 - celebs are people too, they DO have a large platform but they are people, and deserve to be treated with humanity (which cos doesn’t do) however if their platform can persuade someone to leave then I think they may want to consider speaking out. With JB he would have tremendous clout if he did speak out solely based on where he is in his career. In the end with that being said, I wouldn’t want to see him lose everything if he did. I will still watch KoQ reruns because I will always support Leah Remini.
my feelings about a celebrity that leaves Sci, I think Laura Prepon, she got into it as an adult, she has no family left behind and she was always a celebrity when she was in. Was she really victimized by them? Probably not, and she recruited many in. I am not advocating to make her bare her soul publicly, just maybe say something, to let people know that she does not support that any more and maybe why, if it is not traumatic for her. Let's face it she was in with Danny M and his crew, did she really go through what other non celebrities went through. Most likely not. I am just giving my opinion, I am not against LP or anyone else.
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funny not funny, I was just thinking with the 5K. It's a horrible thought. Apologies in advance.
Sea org . Members can do 5K with ease.
They run everywhere, all the time. When are they not running.
Does not mean they're healthy.
I'm just speculating.
Scientology can never just do something good. That's why when it comes to Scientology, my thoughts are that the glass is half full.
Side note- as soon as William got into the story of ot3, those two gentlemen packed it up. It's sad.
Scientology gives themselves away, all the time.
Celebrities have a higher risk to lose there livelihood by fair gaming take leah remini for example she has not been able to work a a few years now because no one who is connected to her ie: producers,directors streaming services want to be fair gamed
Which is why it is so important for these celebrities, who have resources "regular" folks being attacked by Scientology simply do not have, to use those resources and platforms to expose it! How else will it ever stop?
@HippieChick69. It will stop by one person at a time and maybe their family deciding they can leave on their own terms. Knowing there’s another group of people on the outside who’s going to pressure you to do more than you’re ready for may actually backfire and cause them to stay in.