Using that pneumatic chisel is BY FAR the best way to get rid of rust on any sort of structural steel. Forget the needle scaler, they are a waste of time. Hit that with a 4,5 “ wire wheel after and put on 2 coats of POR15. And youre golden
I'm buying a 2003 Astro van in pretty great shape....for $2600..... ExcEPT the rust of the frame is pretty aggressive (but no holes or anything that bad). (I'll be happy if the van lasts me 2 years.) Should I NOT buy it? If I do buy it, do I need to FIGHT / clean up all that rust? (Parking it on grass exacerbates the rust, is that correct?)
Seamus Mackinaw I painted a front axle with and it came out great. Put it on with a brush and it dried to a very hard finish. It would outlast the truck.
I live in the south, where my 2006 Silverado doesn't have one spec of rust. I do hose the frame down once a year with some CRC lube I buy by the gallon. This was just mesmerizing. I can't believe what you guys go through.
For those that don't know just because 40lbs of rust came off doesn't mean he lost 40lbs of steel. When Iron combines with oxygen to form rust you gain the weight of the oxygen.
It is a mess. You are doing a great job cleaning her up. This morning about 9:00am today, I went outside to my car to wire brush and add the underbody Rust Converter. Next I will add to the frame Rust-Oleum undercoating to protect the underbody.
Like others have said, I was actually wincing when the rust chips started to fly. When he first started i was like a chisel? Why not the needler. Then i saw the results. Holy crap. Didn't expect that and I would never have used the chisel. Learned something today!
The problem is that not one of the truck manufacturers are using the right stuff for good corrosion protection. The only permanent coating is an epoxy based paint like POR-15.
1320 foot pole. details, details. I have a 21 year old Honda accord no rust. I rust proof it myself every year with my own undercoating gun and 4 foot homemade wands. Canada
All in how you protect your investment. I've seen 2010 Tacomas with horrific rust, my buddy has an 08 F-150 with scary frame rust due to frame paint flaking offing, and I've owned a Honda Accord that rottted out despite how nice the body looked. I put it on a lift and traded it in to a dealer a couple months later. These days, any brand other than Toyota will be fairly rust resistant. You might get a free year or two. After that, make sure you get it cleaned and undercoated correctly. I have a 2014 Silverado that's 100% rust free, frame-body-suspension. All clean. It cost me 20 minutes a year and a can of Fluid Film.
My silverado is the same way. I love the truck in every other way. Never been stuck. Good power. Pulled a few dodges out of some snow drifts. Very reliable ( all things considered). Then you look underneath the ole girl...
Wow! This is an eye opener. I bought an Fj cruiser online at an out of state auction. Only to find out that it had so much rust underneath the vehicle. I could not find a repair shop so I had to let go of the vehicle. Wish I knew that I could have gotten rid of the rust just by doing this.
Early adopters really paid a big price with rubberized under coating products. When they came out initially, they were promoted as the best thing to keep undercarriage protected.
@dsotojc4645 when did it go through the frame? Also I'd rather it did any frame that could go through should be attended to immediately kinda hard to fix a problem if you're not aware of it
Just stopping by to let everyone know that the majority of the stuff falling off is an old layer of rusty underbody protection. Not a sea of structural metal.
I just did this exact same process to my 2012 GMC 3500 dually took me four days, wasn’t as bad as yours maybe half the rust. After I sprayed 1 gallon of rust converter on it and let it dry for a few days then I made my own protection spray, 1 gallon of chainsaw bar oil, 1/2 gallon of linseed oil, 1 quart of anti rust oil and 6 toilet wax seals, I’m hoping to get another five years out of it. Great video!
I just did this today with my truck, and yeah it's as satisfying as in the video. In person though you experience the full effect with chunks of rust flying in your face
Frame still looks pretty good once you get that undercoating and scale off of it and pressure wash it. A nice coat of spray cosmoline once everything dries and you are good to go!
I've found the thickness of cosmoline with even two coats to not be enough...once I've got anything other than super light rust, it needs to be slathered with lanoline based goo (woolwax)
@@corybrott8455 you don't need to do any reinforcement for surface rust like what you see in the video. Some Corrosion allowance is factored into engineering designs.
No need for me to worry about this. I had lived in Jersey and my Camry lived 12 years there. Fortunately im now in Florida for the past 12 years and my frame still looks solid and great since living in Florida. I just did a rubberize spray undercoating just for preventive maintenance.
HAHA! I would never do that to mine! Mine is so bad it would blow a hole through whatever piece I hammered on! Your fuel lines look cherry compared to mine too.
The DeLorian cars from the 1980’s were for the most part rust proof. The frames were dipped in a liquid rubber like substance that filled every inside crack and crevice. There is no reason why GM, Ford, Dodge-Chrysler can’t rust proof their cars and trucks. Even the back side of body panels.
In a 10+ years the rubber coating begin to crack - because of different temperatures, sunlight, chemicals, tensions... And through one crack the moisture goes under the rubber, but do not dry. It ot the end of still frame, but from outside it may look good.
I work in Massachusetts and restore truck frames. I use the needle scalers - i would be afraid to damage anything for a customer but that chisel sure does a nice job.
My 01 Ram1500 frame has held up great in NE. I'm really impressed. Doors and bed are disintegrating . You can't win. 5.9 will keep running forever. Rest of truck will be gone.
People keep blaming salt. BS. Salt is a known if auto companies haven't learned to cope with that in a much better fashion after 120 years they need to get out of business. There are alloys that do quite well under that level of exposure. Why would they make a rig that would last if they can steal your money every five years for a new one? Sixty thousand for a thowaway truck? Only in the US does this make sense. They own the government and make the rules so it isn't likely to change. Trucks that you have to pull the cab to do a tune up? It just gets worse and worse and the price keeps going up. Take care. Doug
Things to keep getting worse and worse in the prices keep going up and up and car companies keep getting greedier. They have us stuck. And they will keep selling these cheap little new cars for 3 or times what they're worth and giving you less as the years go on.
Douglas Thompson look at 1:08 i have my truck for 13 years now a 06 silverado and i live in texas and my frame hasnt even rusted only my exhaust but changed it to flowmaster 40 setup so yeah salt does that
70 year old metal planes fly fine and look like they will be flying in another 70 years. Cant keep a truck together. They rust away. In Maine, trucks last about 6 or 7 years before the fenders, rocker panels, cab corners, fenders, exc has holes in them.
Speaking as someone with a lot of experience Sandblasting you can remove almost anything. It all depends on what media you are using and the pressure. The hardest thing to remove is the mill scale that comes on fresh steel from the factory and it won't stand up to 80 grit silica sand for long and less time using metal shot. That being said, you have to spend a lot of time masking off or removing wiring and hoses etc. and then you have to be very thorough blowing all the dust out before coating the surface. Sandblasting will do a better job but the time it takes may make the work prohibitively expensive.
I have tried every technique possible por is great stuff I've prepped Vehicles exactly how you are and in 2 years the stuff comes off in sheets instead of flaky rust I've also did the sand blast prep and used por same thing in two years comes off in sheets the last two vehicles I've done I've prepped them just the way u are used an acid wash and then use an undercarriage coating and topped it with New Hampshire oil it is a product you have to apply once a year and it works amazing it doesn't allow any moisture to get in it leaves an oily film over everything!
By the way the best way to do it is completely sand blast the frame to bare metal zinc coat it,epoxy coat and then put a urethane coating it will never rust again! it's an extremely expensive process because you have to strip the frame out of the truck to do it!!! so simpli it's not cost-effective!
all I could think of when he would hammer away then yell 'oh yes' was the scene from full metal jacket in the helicopter. ththththhthth "GET SOME". ththththhththth "GET SOME, GET SOME BABAY". lmao
I just wanted to say that as a shipwright, The best tool I have used is a pneumatic needle gun for what you are doing . I only use the chisel to get the corners. or actually chiseling
My GMC truck's frame rusted through in only 12 years and could not pass inspection. The whole underside was rusted out! Lousy engineering and pickups are not cheap!
Kevin spacey yes but that was 20 years ago. Im a welder, i work with steel. Zink, which is used in the galvanizing process. The price has gone up over the years, and why would a car manufacturer make a car that lasts a lifetime? Then you wouldn’t buy another one or two. Gotta think business
Hi Don, I have a rusty frame can't make up my mind between a spray type lubricant. Or par 15 or some other kind of paint. You had good luck with fluid film? By the time I decide I'll have 80 lbs of rust!
@@royboy3597 My 15 f350 looks like new underneath just from spraying it with fluid film a couple times a year. It’s harder to control rust once it starts but fluid film or similar product will definitely help. Sometimes paint can make rusting worse especially if you don’t remove most of the rust. Good luck!
Anyone remember "Rusty Jones" undercoating franchises back in the 70's? My in-laws '72 Suburban was virtually uninspectable after just 7 years...even after "rust-proofing. Someone told me they were using recycled metal to make frames and bodies back then. Seeing all the rust, I can believe it.
When I see this I am thankful I live in South Fl. Nothing like happens, unless you live by the ocean and you run through flooded streets after a major storm which happened last year when we had 48 hours of rain.
To be done right, take the body of the frame, knock off the rust, then sand blast, then prime, paint, and seal. Does this sound right? All boils down to how much do you love your vehicle, and what do you want to spend.
I literally just pause this video grabbed my air chisel, rubber bands and compressor and gave this a shot on my truck. Worked like a charm. Thanks man for this video. What should a person wash the frame down with after taking the rust off? Alcohol in a garden sprayer?
Spray phosphoric acid,then, once all clean,spray and fill up cavities with well used diesel engine oil. It will stick very well and protect well too. the soot in diesel used oil make it real sticky.
Jay Gold I have learned after many years in New York that undercoating and washing hardly if even slows down the rust, your better off saving that money towards a new truck. I never washed or undercoated my truck and my dad did and both our trucks looked the same in seven years when we got rid of them, now he doesn't even wash his new one ever. I wash mine in the summer but I don't wax it because the frame will get all rusty and I'll be spraying it with undercoating to trade it in before the paint ever fades.
Fluid film you vehicle once a year and you don't have to do car washes all winter. The absolute WORST thing to do in the rust belt is to park your car in a warm garage every night. You end up melting the salty slush stuck to the underside of your vehicle, and the additional warmth helps speed up the chemical reaction that forms the rust in the first place, plus the salty water seeps much deeper into the frame and body panels. Keep the vehicle outside in the cold and only wash it when you get a warm snap above 10-20 F.
yup. sorry to all of you that believe differently. Don't fool yourself. Its not the Chevy, its not the Ford but rather the lack of doing your chores by means of a fresh water pressure rinse the next day it stops snowing, the roads are dry AND the lack of applying any sort of oil or lanolin spring and fall. or prepare yourself to pony another 50 grand for any overpriced truck for the next 72-84 months. until they hot dip the frames, and outfit with aluminum bodies, stainless lines, rotors, banjo bolts etc, Ile stick to the fore-mentioned and continue driving a rust-free 02. $35/gal of fluid film and $5 at the car wash is short money in the long run.
@@troutjunkie7330 Doesn't sand and pebbles do the job well enough? I avoid purchasing a used car from salt states. The Sierras get 4 plus months of snow and we get by fine WITHOUT SALT.
I'm going to build my frame out of treated lumber, it will last three times as long. All brands are alike; Chev, Ford, Toyota, Ram......... it's all the same to salt. I say we sue the states that use road salt claiming "Destruction of Private Property"!!!
Good video. Really demonstrates how bad these GM trucks can get. I pulled the bed on mine, pressure washed the entire frame, and coated with POR15. I had to weld in a couple of new rear cross members, as well. An industrial pressure washer will take rust and salt off almost instantly. You just have to be careful around delicate areas. Everyone rags on Toyota and their rusty frames, but the Dodge, Ford, and GM frames were just as bad in the late 90's/early 2000's. Had a buddy's 99 Silverado snap clean in half on the hoist. Cab in the air, tailgate on the ground.
Use a lanolin or diesel/paraffin type of rust preventer. That stuff can creep in and seal the nooks and crannies. No more oxygen, no continued rust. Downside is the coating doesn’t look nice, but it works. The paint type coatings tend to flake and then hold water inside to further accelerate the corrosion. The upside on the hard coatings, is that the frame looks good until it fails completely.
tdfitch oh Really? Because last time I checked, he chipped away surface rust that revealed a clean unrotted frame. Every truck will have "rust" he even said "if you run it, clear underneath" learn about vehicles before you shit talk please. I live in the most drastically changing weather state in all of north America. I would know
8 trucks. 2 Fords 1 dodge and 4 Chevys out of 5 chevy/ gmc started no issue. The one that wouldnt start got a jump and plowed for 12 hours like all the other ones
it's a good thing your not living in Pennsylvania then ! the salt on the roads in the winter can play havoc on car bodies unless you keep it washed every so often !
Silly question but where do you get rubber bands that thick? I’d like to try to rig my air hammer like yours… My 2002 Silverado frame looks just like this.
Salt, salt, and salt on the roads. I don't drive my classics past december until it rains heavy at least 3 times in the spring. And now I'm just moving out of the snow belt.
Doing this same work on my 03 Silverado except it's not flaking off well enough to make it so easy like yours. Using a wire wheel on an angle grinder is working better. Also not as bad as yours and the factory costing that hasn't failed is still plyable so it won't come off as easy. Por15 and a a of rust converter spray paint then fluid film before the winter after I'm done cleaning the rot
But. If you can weld and have a tape measure and plumb bob you can pretty easily chop it at the frame rails by the gas tank where the sections meet. Then with a die grinder and lots of bubbly you grind away the rest of the inner ( rear) rails. Once that’s done you go find some 3/16 2x5 “ steel squared U Channel at the scrap yard. It’s commonly from torn down buildings. Drill a few plug weld holes behind where the new one will stop + - . Drive those in as far as possible, mine are a foot. Then weld it up. Junk all the cross members and make your own. I used 3” pipe as i had some kicking about. I left the top and part of the side ( as support) of those rear frame rails as a locator for all the mountings otherwise you can just mane up a careful diagram. Everything under there just more or less fly’s in formation anyways so as long as your axle is hung straight you’re fine. I remounted everything with HD air shocks . Shock mounts are bone simple to make it cut off and remount. It’s all a labor of love , make it a project. While the box is off and you can wander freely in there clean or sandblast everything you can get at. , replace shitty. brake lines , fuel lines ect or at least paint them up and undercoat them. It’s so easy working standing up! Get the cab mounts and all else under that section too while you’re doing it. Flip the box up on its tail and clean and paint that and undercoat too. I bought my 2000 GMC Sierra with that candy cane frame in 2013. It got done over over the winter of 13-14 and I still have it today. It’s time consuming yes but we’ll worth it if you have a decent truck with a shitty rear rails ( their biggest failure point BY FAR) frame. The point is all I needed was a 6 hp air compressor some cheap air tools , electric grinder , some wire wheels , cheap HF Schutz spray gun and simple old arc welder to do all this. It’s tinker work project not rocket science and 30k later it’s still doing fine. I do oil it with ATF / Petrolium Jelly/ Bar n Chain oil yearly .
that is why you protect your vehicle with good paint or undercoating so the salt can't get to the metal ! myself i crawl under my Blazer with a paint brush and a quart of good brush paint ! my Blazer is a 99 and the frame looks good !
Exactly what I have ahead of me. Already did it once but I used undercoating after and now regret it. The undercoating looked great and I thought that was the right product to use but unfortunately the rust fosters under the undercoating and years later it finally blisters and flakes off but now the rust is THICK and big chunks vs surface rust. I'm going to do the chiseling and wire wheel again but look for a paint product of some sort, maybe something from a marine store might work.
Grease. I used 7 most popular products to do long term testing in different section of the frame (5 year update coming soon) Grease smeared all over is the best. 5 years, no rust.
Get the fuck out of here you Chevy 'tard. The real men who buy trucks for work buy Ford Trucks. Whenever you see a woman driving a truck, it's a Chevy.
Pat massey there's no way ford uses Superior Steel I'm in the Northeast far south of you and I see Ford's come in with frames rotted right through you can't even lift them because the lift goes straight through the frame now having said that I see the same thing with Chevys and Dodges if your frames in that good of shape you don't use it or you've been oiling it which is been a very popular thing in Canada for years and in my opinion is the best and only way to maintain it with products like corrosion free or krown Oil Etc!!!!
I think I would be afraid to drive that truck. But if it was exposed to salt for years what do you expect? I have a 1993 Chevy 1/2 ton truck I bought new. I live in Phoenix, AZ. After 26 years there is zero frame and body rust.
In the Phoenix area, we also have a problem with gravel. Both gravel trucks, and the use of gravel as landscaping along the freeways. I went through three windshields in one year a few years ago, and have gone through a couple more since.
Its not all flowers. The heat and sun kill paint, rubber, and plastics. So while your metal is mint, everything else is dry rotted. The only solution is to get a east coast truck with a mint interior, a west coast mint metal and make one mint truck out of two.
@@troutjunkie7330 PennDot can eat shit. Not only ruining your frames, but suspensions and backs as well. Worst roads in America and I stand by that statement
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Using that pneumatic chisel is BY FAR the best way to get rid of rust on any sort of structural steel. Forget the needle scaler, they are a waste of time. Hit that with a 4,5 “ wire wheel after and put on 2 coats of POR15. And youre golden
Exactly. I get 10 comments per week about using needle scaler. Waste of time. They are good for small spots and light rust.
I'm buying a 2003 Astro van in pretty great shape....for $2600..... ExcEPT the rust of the frame is pretty aggressive (but no holes or anything that bad). (I'll be happy if the van lasts me 2 years.)
Should I NOT buy it? If I do buy it, do I need to FIGHT / clean up all that rust? (Parking it on grass exacerbates the rust, is that correct?)
Merlin Cat Is POR 15 worth the hype? Heard mixed stuff on ut
Not sure. I did Chassis Saver on rear frame (por15 alternative) and wax mix on front one side, then grease on the other. Doing long term study
Seamus Mackinaw I painted a front axle with and it came out great. Put it on with a brush and it dried to a very hard finish. It would outlast the truck.
I can feel flakes of rust in my eyes just watching this.
I know right
And washing it out of your hair in the shower lol
RIGHT!?
my eyes hurt just reading the comment lol
Lol yeah. Better get xray in your eyes before mri
This is like one of those pimple popping videos but for men.
Doug Johnson that was hilarious... u r so right
Haha
Dude best comment...i was thinking the same thing
@shotgunmaude yeah.same here.I love these wreching guys... they are crazy enough to do what ever it takes. Entertainment pure!
Very similar since I also use an air chisel on my zits.
If somebody created a channel where it was nothing but chiseling rust off of steel I'd probably watch it all day.
I live in the south, where my 2006 Silverado doesn't have one spec of rust. I do hose the frame down once a year with some CRC lube I buy by the gallon. This was just mesmerizing. I can't believe what you guys go through.
God I can feel that rust spec sitting in the corner of my eye now.
Oddly satisfying.
totally bro
Perplexer1 I know right
Perplexer1 I was just going to comment the exact same! Sure was!
My first thought.
Yea, its like pressure washing videos, you don't know why its fascinating but it is.
I found this video to be very satisfying and informative. Please keep us updated on your progress with rust prevention. Thank you.
For those that don't know just because 40lbs of rust came off doesn't mean he lost 40lbs of steel. When Iron combines with oxygen to form rust you gain the weight of the oxygen.
It is a mess. You are doing a great job cleaning her up.
This morning about 9:00am today, I went outside to my car to wire brush and add the underbody Rust Converter. Next I will add to the frame Rust-Oleum undercoating to protect the underbody.
Like others have said, I was actually wincing when the rust chips started to fly. When he first started i was like a chisel? Why not the needler. Then i saw the results. Holy crap. Didn't expect that and I would never have used the chisel. Learned something today!
I love how this shows the rot underneath the undercoating. Thanks!
It's just surface rust trapped under the undercoating. If it were rot, that air chisel would have gone right through it.
You should send that bucket of rust to GM
It's engineered that way, RUST = good business.
The problem is that not one of the truck manufacturers are using the right stuff for good corrosion protection. The only permanent coating is an epoxy based paint like POR-15.
1320 foot pole. details, details. I have a 21 year old Honda accord no rust. I rust proof it myself every year with my own undercoating gun and 4 foot homemade wands. Canada
Yet Toyota Tacomas rust so bad they fold in half like a birthday card after a few years lol.
All in how you protect your investment. I've seen 2010 Tacomas with horrific rust, my buddy has an 08 F-150 with scary frame rust due to frame paint flaking offing, and I've owned a Honda Accord that rottted out despite how nice the body looked. I put it on a lift and traded it in to a dealer a couple months later. These days, any brand other than Toyota will be fairly rust resistant. You might get a free year or two. After that, make sure you get it cleaned and undercoated correctly. I have a 2014 Silverado that's 100% rust free, frame-body-suspension. All clean. It cost me 20 minutes a year and a can of Fluid Film.
My silverado is the same way. I love the truck in every other way. Never been stuck. Good power. Pulled a few dodges out of some snow drifts. Very reliable ( all things considered). Then you look underneath the ole girl...
I could've sworn I felt one of those rust chips being projected at my face.
Here in canada we call that weight reduction
10 more years and this truck will be lighter than smart car.
real young prodigy probably get 2.5 mpg better gas mileage now
@@troutjunkie7330 in ten more years you're going to have no truck left
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You just knocked a second off your quarter mile time
this is so satisfying to watch
It wasnt for me, hahaha
I was thinking that to!
Wow! This is an eye opener. I bought an Fj cruiser online at an out of state auction. Only to find out that it had so much rust underneath the vehicle. I could not find a repair shop so I had to let go of the vehicle. Wish I knew that I could have gotten rid of the rust just by doing this.
If a repair shop turned it away it wasn't this kinda rust. It prolly had rot and holes forming...
Early adopters really paid a big price with rubberized under coating products. When they came out initially, they were promoted as the best thing to keep undercarriage protected.
Frankly, underneath the undercoating and surface rust that was removed, that frame is in great shape. Not one hole.
@pete smyth Yeah frame is good. Body panels toast...😂
Except being thin and weak
@@Toyota-ci3nj but it isn’t, the truck is still around 5 years later
At first, I was like "That isn't the proper way to use an air chisel". Then, I was all like "wow, that's an effective way to remove rust."
Thank for your comment on air chisel. I was wondering what was the tool name.
Until that chisel went through the frame 😬
@dsotojc4645 when did it go through the frame? Also I'd rather it did any frame that could go through should be attended to immediately kinda hard to fix a problem if you're not aware of it
@@dsotojc4645whenever i work on a frame, i try hard to go through every part possible, if you can go through it , it has to be reinforced
I've never seen snow in the flesh before, after watching this I'm kinda glad.
Its not the snow thats the issue its the salt put on the road to melt the snow.
Just stopping by to let everyone know that the majority of the stuff falling off is an old layer of rusty underbody protection. Not a sea of structural metal.
After watching one Astro camper's video on rust removal I started bit by bit air chisel and coat. Thanks for your great idea sir!
I just did this exact same process to my 2012 GMC 3500 dually took me four days, wasn’t as bad as yours maybe half the rust. After I sprayed 1 gallon of rust converter on it and let it dry for a few days then I made my own protection spray, 1 gallon of chainsaw bar oil, 1/2 gallon of linseed oil, 1 quart of anti rust oil and 6 toilet wax seals, I’m hoping to get another five years out of it. Great video!
I feel ripped off...I spent $1000 on carbon fiber and only saved a couple of pounds in weight.
Dang
Dude you are working the heck out of that air chisel, good job!
Using a needle scaler would have been by far the best way to do this job.
I just did this today with my truck, and yeah it's as satisfying as in the video. In person though you experience the full effect with chunks of rust flying in your face
Rust removal is what I LIVE FOR. It’s so good.
Frame still looks pretty good once you get that undercoating and scale off of it and pressure wash it. A nice coat of spray cosmoline once everything dries and you are good to go!
I've found the thickness of cosmoline with even two coats to not be enough...once I've got anything other than super light rust, it needs to be slathered with lanoline based goo (woolwax)
Anyone that's freaking out about the strength of the frame being compromised would be really shocked to see what a really bad one looks like
This isn’t even that bad. It’s fixable. At least the owner’s doing until most owner’s being told about a hole in the frame when getting an oil change
@@cherokeefit4248 what do you do to fix the one in the video after removing the rust?
to reinforce it
@@corybrott8455 you don't need to do any reinforcement for surface rust like what you see in the video. Some Corrosion allowance is factored into engineering designs.
@@richcombs4805 that is not surface rust😂
@@Cooldibsit’s definitely not rot. That frame sounded pretty solid to me especially considering he took an air tool to it
That wax GM puts on their truck frames sure does work well...
Wax holds water 😂
@@jerryfollett310 I was being sarcastic
I don't know if it's the OCD in me or what but I think people would really like watching you do this on youtube like this for hours!
LOL yeah watching this is so mesmerizing and satisfying.
No need for me to worry about this. I had lived in Jersey and my Camry lived 12 years there. Fortunately im now in Florida for the past 12 years and my frame still looks solid and great since living in Florida. I just did a rubberize spray undercoating just for preventive maintenance.
Excellent filming, very sharp images!!!
HAHA! I would never do that to mine! Mine is so bad it would blow a hole through whatever piece I hammered on! Your fuel lines look cherry compared to mine too.
They were all replaced in 2012 and brake lines in 2015
Astro Camper did my brake lines a year or so ago from front to back. The new fuel lines are in a box ready to put on.
that worries me considering you are a mechanic...
Just mind games i guess lol "if I dont see the holes, theyre not there"
Yeah I forbid filming underneath mine PERIOD HAHA
The DeLorian cars from the 1980’s were for the most part rust proof. The frames were dipped in a liquid rubber like substance that filled every inside crack and crevice. There is no reason why GM, Ford, Dodge-Chrysler can’t rust proof their cars and trucks. Even the back side of body panels.
GM actually does dip the frames on there trucks the stuff is cosmoline grease/wax.
In a 10+ years the rubber coating begin to crack - because of different temperatures, sunlight, chemicals, tensions... And through one crack the moisture goes under the rubber, but do not dry. It ot the end of still frame, but from outside it may look good.
Stainless steel,my cuz has one.
I work in Massachusetts and restore truck frames. I use the needle scalers - i would be afraid to damage anything for a customer but that chisel sure does a nice job.
My 01 Ram1500 frame has held up great in NE. I'm really impressed. Doors and bed are disintegrating . You can't win. 5.9 will keep running forever. Rest of truck will be gone.
People keep blaming salt. BS. Salt is a known if auto companies haven't learned to cope with that in a much better fashion after 120 years they need to get out of business. There are alloys that do quite well under that level of exposure. Why would they make a rig that would last if they can steal your money every five years for a new one? Sixty thousand for a thowaway truck? Only in the US does this make sense. They own the government and make the rules so it isn't likely to change. Trucks that you have to pull the cab to do a tune up? It just gets worse and worse and the price keeps going up. Take care. Doug
Things to keep getting worse and worse in the prices keep going up and up and car companies keep getting greedier. They have us stuck. And they will keep selling these cheap little new cars for 3 or times what they're worth and giving you less as the years go on.
It really is a bunch of crap isn't it 😒 ?
Douglas Thompson look at 1:08 i have my truck for 13 years now a 06 silverado and i live in texas and my frame hasnt even rusted only my exhaust but changed it to flowmaster 40 setup so yeah salt does that
70 year old metal planes fly fine and look like they will be flying in another 70 years. Cant keep a truck together. They rust away. In Maine, trucks last about 6 or 7 years before the fenders, rocker panels, cab corners, fenders, exc has holes in them.
Daniel Martinez 🤦🏼♂️you missed the point he was dude.
Sandblasting would not do anything. Sandblasting only removes surface rust. When you got sheets 1/8" thick coming off, you have to knock them off.
Speaking as someone with a lot of experience Sandblasting you can remove almost anything. It all depends on what media you are using and the pressure. The hardest thing to remove is the mill scale that comes on fresh steel from the factory and it won't stand up to 80 grit silica sand for long and less time using metal shot. That being said, you have to spend a lot of time masking off or removing wiring and hoses etc. and then you have to be very thorough blowing all the dust out before coating the surface. Sandblasting will do a better job but the time it takes may make the work prohibitively expensive.
Last time i sent a car out to get sandblasted it came back bare metal. Maybe youre using a shitty sandblaster lol
sand blasting takes it down to bare metal, I have a 45 foot long blasting booth, 120psi I can blow holes in your frame if its thin, from rusting
sandblasting is the fastest way to remove everything ..then you can see what's next..
Ever use a needle scaler instead of the air chisel? After you wire brush what do you coat the frame in?
a new meaning to rust bucket
Hahaha, should have named the video RUST BUCKET
One of the most satisfying video's I've watched in a while
I have tried every technique possible por is great stuff I've prepped Vehicles exactly how you are and in 2 years the stuff comes off in sheets instead of flaky rust I've also did the sand blast prep and used por same thing in two years comes off in sheets the last two vehicles I've done I've prepped them just the way u are used an acid wash and then use an undercarriage coating and topped it with New Hampshire oil it is a product you have to apply once a year and it works amazing it doesn't allow any moisture to get in it leaves an oily film over everything!
By the way the best way to do it is completely sand blast the frame to bare metal zinc coat it,epoxy coat and then put a urethane coating it will never rust again! it's an extremely expensive process because you have to strip the frame out of the truck to do it!!! so simpli it's not cost-effective!
all I could think of when he would hammer away then yell 'oh yes' was the scene from full metal jacket in the helicopter.
ththththhthth "GET SOME". ththththhththth "GET SOME, GET SOME BABAY".
lmao
What did you do after removing all that rust? Wire wheel; rust converter? Undercoating?
Was the frame still strong enough with such severe rust damage?
This is not severe. If that needle punched through, that would be severe.
Truck is still on the road, 5 years later. That frame is fine
I just wanted to say that as a shipwright, The best tool I have used is a pneumatic needle gun for what you are doing . I only use the chisel to get the corners. or actually chiseling
I appreciate the difficulty in doing this with one hand.
When all that rust stared flying off I had Vietnam flash backs to cleaning out a rusty water tanker truck
My GMC truck's frame rusted through in only 12 years and could not pass inspection. The whole underside was rusted out! Lousy engineering and pickups are not cheap!
even better, a state without salt on roads or snow
The salt killed it. The trucks aren't perfect, but down south 20+ year old cars still look new underneath.
Love it when you Northerners cry in the comments about rust😂😂
Joe A get some Rust Cure Formula 3000 and undercoat your truck when you buy it, every year
Black Buick and pray to not get in a car crash
This guy is hilarious.
Reminds me of the rust on my old Volvo.
I'm stealing your elastic band idea. Just like watching power washing very satisfying
That chisel really is amazing. I went on ebay and bought one. Will make restoring my dad's truck much easier
you know yor from the NE wen you see this and say "thats not that bad at all"
Greenhondaricer
Ain’t that the truth!
Born n raised 😉
@@TCSwizz2 Wicked Yep
Florida rust🤔
I want to see that used on a genuine NE car 😆😆
@@danlevesque5437 Flood damage from salt water.
ashes ashes, dust to dust, just sit back and watch the GM rust
Willie G still run better than a ford
Not as bad as dodge
dailga my dodge is 25 years old and has stock paint on the frane
My car was made in the 1820’s and I️t has 0 rust
Kevin spacey yes but that was 20 years ago. Im a welder, i work with steel. Zink, which is used in the galvanizing process. The price has gone up over the years, and why would a car manufacturer make a car that lasts a lifetime? Then you wouldn’t buy another one or two. Gotta think business
Try using fluid film. It will prevent that rust.
Hi Don, I have a rusty frame can't make up my mind between a spray type lubricant. Or par 15 or some other kind of paint. You had good luck with fluid film? By the time I decide I'll have 80 lbs of rust!
@@royboy3597 My 15 f350 looks like new underneath just from spraying it with fluid film a couple times a year. It’s harder to control rust once it starts but fluid film or similar product will definitely help. Sometimes paint can make rusting worse especially if you don’t remove most of the rust. Good luck!
Ok, thanks for the help. I'm going to try your way.
Anyone remember "Rusty Jones" undercoating franchises back in the 70's? My in-laws '72 Suburban was virtually uninspectable after just 7 years...even after "rust-proofing. Someone told me they were using recycled metal to make frames and bodies back then. Seeing all the rust, I can believe it.
When I see this I am thankful I live in South Fl. Nothing like happens, unless you live by the ocean and you run through flooded streets after a major storm which happened last year when we had 48 hours of rain.
It's like being a dental hygienist, with more crawling around.
look at the bright side, you dont have to buy iron supplement for the rest of your life
This is pure therapy
To be done right, take the body of the frame, knock off the rust, then sand blast, then prime, paint, and seal. Does this sound right? All boils down to how much do you love your vehicle, and what do you want to spend.
I literally just pause this video grabbed my air chisel, rubber bands and compressor and gave this a shot on my truck. Worked like a charm. Thanks man for this video. What should a person wash the frame down with after taking the rust off? Alcohol in a garden sprayer?
Every time I watch this I feel like im going to get something in my eye.
Spray phosphoric acid,then, once all clean,spray and fill up cavities with well used diesel engine oil.
It will stick very well and protect well too.
the soot in diesel used oil make it real sticky.
i guess you gained 10mpg with all that weight removed now
Not really cause I hooked a RV trailer to it
How did I get here..watching rust removal ....my life is now complete
If you live in the north east and don't wash your car in the winter and rust proof it bye bye car in a few years.
Jay Gold I have learned after many years in New York that undercoating and washing hardly if even slows down the rust, your better off saving that money towards a new truck. I never washed or undercoated my truck and my dad did and both our trucks looked the same in seven years when we got rid of them, now he doesn't even wash his new one ever. I wash mine in the summer but I don't wax it because the frame will get all rusty and I'll be spraying it with undercoating to trade it in before the paint ever fades.
Fluid film you vehicle once a year and you don't have to do car washes all winter. The absolute WORST thing to do in the rust belt is to park your car in a warm garage every night. You end up melting the salty slush stuck to the underside of your vehicle, and the additional warmth helps speed up the chemical reaction that forms the rust in the first place, plus the salty water seeps much deeper into the frame and body panels. Keep the vehicle outside in the cold and only wash it when you get a warm snap above 10-20 F.
fluid film them
The God damned salt is a major problem
Sure is but without it i would not be able to drive for 4 months
well and the fact GM still waxes there frames not E coating them to save money
im from Denmark and we use salt and it kills our cars i have importet a BMW from South germany and it was fresh as new
yup. sorry to all of you that believe differently. Don't fool yourself. Its not the Chevy, its not the Ford but rather the lack of doing your chores by means of a fresh water pressure rinse the next day it stops snowing, the roads are dry AND the lack of applying any sort of oil or lanolin spring and fall.
or prepare yourself to pony another 50 grand for any overpriced truck for the next 72-84 months. until they hot dip the frames, and outfit with aluminum bodies, stainless lines, rotors, banjo bolts etc, Ile stick to the fore-mentioned and continue driving a rust-free 02. $35/gal of fluid film and $5 at the car wash is short money in the long run.
@@troutjunkie7330 Doesn't sand and pebbles do the job well enough? I avoid purchasing a used car from salt states. The Sierras get 4 plus months of snow and we get by fine WITHOUT SALT.
I'm going to build my frame out of treated lumber, it will last three times as long.
All brands are alike; Chev, Ford, Toyota, Ram......... it's all the same to salt. I say we sue the states that use road salt claiming "Destruction of Private Property"!!!
Good video. Really demonstrates how bad these GM trucks can get. I pulled the bed on mine, pressure washed the entire frame, and coated with POR15. I had to weld in a couple of new rear cross members, as well. An industrial pressure washer will take rust and salt off almost instantly. You just have to be careful around delicate areas.
Everyone rags on Toyota and their rusty frames, but the Dodge, Ford, and GM frames were just as bad in the late 90's/early 2000's. Had a buddy's 99 Silverado snap clean in half on the hoist. Cab in the air, tailgate on the ground.
Use a lanolin or diesel/paraffin type of rust preventer. That stuff can creep in and seal the nooks and crannies. No more oxygen, no continued rust. Downside is the coating doesn’t look nice, but it works. The paint type coatings tend to flake and then hold water inside to further accelerate the corrosion. The upside on the hard coatings, is that the frame looks good until it fails completely.
"If you lick it you can tell it's pure salt" 😂
After seeing this, I think I'm sold on the aluminum frames the new Ford pickups have.
FORD DOES NOT HAVE ALUMINUM FRAMES ITS THE BODY, FRAME STILL IS HIGH STRENGHT STEEL
You fool person
Easton M frame is not aluminum buddy. Its just the body.
the rust was holding it together
tdfitch oh Really? Because last time I checked, he chipped away surface rust that revealed a clean unrotted frame. Every truck will have "rust" he even said "if you run it, clear underneath" learn about vehicles before you shit talk please. I live in the most drastically changing weather state in all of north America. I would know
8 trucks. 2 Fords 1 dodge and 4 Chevys out of 5 chevy/ gmc started no issue. The one that wouldnt start got a jump and plowed for 12 hours like all the other ones
That over reaction though.
ur a bummer
@@71sc502 Its a Joke SMH were do you live any way what state ??
this is brilliant, think I'll get my defender chassis done in a fraction of time now. thanks for the video
enormous undertaking from below and apparently unraised or without a pot. This guy is pretty hardcore trades guy...
I mean pit, below the car...
glad I don't live where it snows. 15 year old truck and only have surface rust on frame which is normal.
it's a good thing your not living in Pennsylvania then ! the salt on the roads in the winter can play havoc on car bodies unless you keep it washed every so often !
Lloyd Dailey Yea i also dont like the cold so there's another reason i dont live up there lol
We don't use salt on our roads much, not that it doesn't snow but because it's too damn cold for salt to do anything...................
Allende NL i live in canada got a 1999 dakota with minimal rust. its all about Rust Check every year from the beginning of the car or trucks life
Im in the same boat. even then i feel like getting rust remover or that lazer thing and painting the frame.
Silly question but where do you get rubber bands that thick? I’d like to try to rig my air hammer like yours… My 2002 Silverado frame looks just like this.
8:20 "you can actually rub it.... and if you lick it, its just pure salt" lmao life hacks 101
Salt, salt, and salt on the roads. I don't drive my classics past december until it rains heavy at least 3 times in the spring. And now I'm just moving out of the snow belt.
At first I thought that was a terrible way to do it but damn that was fast and effective. Lol thanks!
Now you increased your load capacity by 40 Lb!
Man that's pretty crazy to think of... I'm guessing 40lbs would have been at least 10% of that frame's original weight haha!
I bet 10% of the weight is undercoating and paint. Wow though. Thats still incredible.
Doing this same work on my 03 Silverado except it's not flaking off well enough to make it so easy like yours. Using a wire wheel on an angle grinder is working better. Also not as bad as yours and the factory costing that hasn't failed is still plyable so it won't come off as easy. Por15 and a a of rust converter spray paint then fluid film before the winter after I'm done cleaning the rot
Idk why but this is too satisfying to watch
Seems like that much rust would compromise the structural integrity of the chassis. Is it safe to drive a car with that amount of rust on the frame?
Yes as long as the frame isn’t rotted through or has any holes from rusting. That frame is still solid so it’s perfectly safe.
I've had 5 GM pickups and after the last one rusted so bad on the frame and brake lines, I traded it in. No more GM.
But. If you can weld and have a tape measure and plumb bob you can pretty easily chop it at the frame rails by the gas tank where the sections meet. Then with a die grinder and lots of bubbly you grind away the rest of the inner ( rear) rails. Once that’s done you go find some 3/16 2x5 “ steel squared U Channel at the scrap yard. It’s commonly from torn down buildings. Drill a few plug weld holes behind where the new one will stop + - . Drive those in as far as possible, mine are a foot. Then weld it up. Junk all the cross members and make your own. I used 3” pipe as i had some kicking about. I left the top and part of the side ( as support) of those rear frame rails as a locator for all the mountings otherwise you can just mane up a careful diagram.
Everything under there just more or less fly’s in formation anyways so as long as your axle is hung straight you’re fine. I remounted everything with HD air shocks . Shock mounts are bone simple to make it cut off and remount. It’s all a labor of love , make it a project. While the box is off and you can wander freely in there clean or sandblast everything you can get at. , replace shitty. brake lines , fuel lines ect or at least paint them up and undercoat them. It’s so easy working standing up! Get the cab mounts and all else under that section too while you’re doing it. Flip the box up on its tail and clean and paint that and undercoat too.
I bought my 2000 GMC Sierra with that candy cane frame in 2013. It got done over over the winter of 13-14 and I still have it today. It’s time consuming yes but we’ll worth it if you have a decent truck with a shitty rear rails ( their biggest failure point BY FAR) frame.
The point is all I needed was a 6 hp air compressor some cheap air tools , electric grinder , some wire wheels , cheap HF Schutz spray gun and simple old arc welder to do all this. It’s tinker work project not rocket science and 30k later it’s still doing fine.
I do oil it with ATF / Petrolium Jelly/ Bar n Chain oil yearly .
pretty eye opening how salt can destroy your truck right under your nose
that is why you protect your vehicle with good paint or undercoating so the salt can't get to the metal ! myself i crawl under my Blazer with a paint brush and a quart of good brush paint ! my Blazer is a 99 and the frame looks good !
I've got a 82 ford thats been sitting in mud for 12 years. Its frame was rusty. But even after all of that time it didn't look this bad.
Exactly what I have ahead of me. Already did it once but I used undercoating after and now regret it. The undercoating looked great and I thought that was the right product to use but unfortunately the rust fosters under the undercoating and years later it finally blisters and flakes off but now the rust is THICK and big chunks vs surface rust. I'm going to do the chiseling and wire wheel again but look for a paint product of some sort, maybe something from a marine store might work.
Grease. I used 7 most popular products to do long term testing in different section of the frame (5 year update coming soon) Grease smeared all over is the best. 5 years, no rust.
Is grease better than oil for undercoating? And what kind of grease do you recommend?
I think my cummins is worse. The northeast is terrible
i agree..no matter what you drive after 8-10 winters the salt gets them everytime.
Pat massey well see Chevy owners are real men and don't mind undercoating their own trucks, we will leave the sissy Fords for you women.
Get the fuck out of here you Chevy 'tard. The real men who buy trucks for work buy Ford Trucks. Whenever you see a woman driving a truck, it's a Chevy.
Pat massey there's no way ford uses Superior Steel I'm in the Northeast far south of you and I see Ford's come in with frames rotted right through you can't even lift them because the lift goes straight through the frame now having said that I see the same thing with Chevys and Dodges if your frames in that good of shape you don't use it or you've been oiling it which is been a very popular thing in Canada for years and in my opinion is the best and only way to maintain it with products like corrosion free or krown Oil Etc!!!!
Send it to S Korea it will come back a Hyundai.
haha, its crazy that we sell scrap metal to Asia and they send new cars to us.
two Hyundai's and a kia
Send it to North Korea and they'd eat it.
@@jacobd373 ironic especially now with the kung flu goin round😮
My hyundai has some rust starting on it. haven't looked underneath hope its not too bad.
I think I would be afraid to drive that truck. But if it was exposed to salt for years what do you expect? I have a 1993 Chevy 1/2 ton truck I bought new. I live in Phoenix, AZ. After 26 years there is zero frame and body rust.
vulcan1753 phoenix is nice to cars. I live in Denver . No rust here either but rock chips are common
In the Phoenix area, we also have a problem with gravel. Both gravel trucks, and the use of gravel as landscaping along the freeways. I went through three windshields in one year a few years ago, and have gone through a couple more since.
Vulcan how is your 1993 26 years old?
late 1992?
Its not all flowers. The heat and sun kill paint, rubber, and plastics. So while your metal is mint, everything else is dry rotted. The only solution is to get a east coast truck with a mint interior, a west coast mint metal and make one mint truck out of two.
I went south to buy my used Silverado . Brought it back North treated frame best i could
Now you just need to grind pop cans to dust and you got 1 hell of a batch of thermite
first thing i thought of when i saw that bucket of iron oxide. LOL
Does he live someplace that dumps salt on the roads?
PA
@@troutjunkie7330 PennDot can eat shit.
Not only ruining your frames, but suspensions and backs as well. Worst roads in America and I stand by that statement
They dump it heavily here in northern Vermont