Real Truth About Enneagram Type 2s!
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- Опубліковано 22 кві 2018
- Who is the real hero, Batman? Or Robin?
Even the strongest people need help and the world just wouldn’t function without Helpers.
Do you know someone who is always taking care of others? Invite them to a watch this video to find out if they are The Helper. Pastor Matt Brown will be talking about what that means and how helpers need care too.
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This is the first video I've watched of yours and I'm going to binge watch the rest when I have time. Thank you so much! My husband is a helper and I just googled it to see how i can relate to him and found this. I really enjoy your perspective !
dont know if you guys gives a damn but if you are stoned like me during the covid times then you can watch all of the new series on InstaFlixxer. Been binge watching with my girlfriend for the last few months =)
@Moises Jesus Yup, I've been watching on InstaFlixxer for months myself :D
This is sooooo good and resonates with me so much!
Man, he hit it dead on. For the longest time, I felt used (still do). And felt like no one cared about me. All they wanted was to get me to do things for them and then they would leave me. I'm the "nice guy" except for everyone, not just girls. And even though i've tried to stop helping because of resentment (did for a while), I always default to helping. I love helping. I hate seeing people struggle and if there's a way I can help, I always do. I never seek anything in return, but deep down, it hurts that others don't think the same way. People can see me struggle... watch me fall trying to do everything myself... and they'll just stand aside and watch or turn a cold shoulder.
That's the curse of being a 2. So far, i've finished last in everything. Girls use me, people use me, friends use me, until i finally decided to just care for myself...Since then, i've paid more attention to myself. I've stopped helping as much and it feels good... but... now i'm all alone. No one reaches out to me. No one invites me out. I'm all alone. And i'm learning to be okay with it. I help strangers. I help my family. But it's pretty much a lonely world.
I just wish people liked me for me. And not for what I can do for them. :/
I wish someone told me, let ME help YOU. for once... That'd be nice.
Huhh this made me tear up 😢.. i feel the same way
"Although it often feels very specific, much of the personality profiles associated with different MBTI and Enneagram types are quite general [. . .] In the “key motives” for the Enneagram types, we again find statements that would describe many people, like “want to be right, to strive higher and improve everything, to be consistent with their ideals, to justify themselves, to be beyond criticism so as not to be condemned by anyone” (Type 1) and “want to have security, to feel supported by others, to have certitude and reassurance, to test the attitudes of others toward them, to fight against anxiety and insecurity” (Type 6). Similarly, “Ones” can be “moody and irrational” and “Sixes” become “competitive and arrogant” under stressful conditions, tendencies that most people would have under stress."
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/people-are-strange/201909/when-personality-test-results-are-wrong-feel-so-right
Just saying, the types aren't real, you might find yourself burdened less if you just give up this typology nonsense, leaving it behind has helped a lot of people. . .
Easy to serve hard to sit in service. I've talked about this so much🙌🙌👏👏
Your identity is not what you do, but who you are🙌💛
GOD doesn't need us. True love is not codependent🙌🙌
This was great
Wow this hit me so hard! I’m a two with no wings, thanks for explaining it biblically
I encourage you to research the origins of the Enneagram.
Even if these teachings seem helpful and good, they are rooted in mysticism. The Bible warns us that even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14).
Yoooo God bless you
Really good
Cried throughout the sermon! Needed to hear this 🥹
Thank you for watching with us Shalati! We're praying for you today.
This man certainly has a great God's knowledge. Bless you pastor Matt!
THIS SERIES IS AMAZING! Thank you for sharing!!!!
Just started going through this again today day September 2, 2021 still good and said this Series was awesome
Hi Brian! Thanks for watching friend! Have a blessed day today.
One of the most beautiful content on Type 2s I have ever seen, even though I am not a Christian. I am a Type 2 therapist and have started making content on Type 2s recently.
Thanks for watching with us!
You can fast-forward through the beginning
Maybe about 1/4 of the way since it's kind of minutiae and not as good until he gets to the good stuff
This is incredible. Thank you so much for sharing. You brought such fresh revelation
I would have to say that what he is describing is a 1w2... my mom is a one, and she REALLY related to this (and she is definitely not a two). I am a two, and found some of his examples relatable... but not a lot and I found especially the motivations to be 1 like. We are more motivated to help people for relationship and love, not to just get things done. I appreciate his knowledge of the enneagram in general and look forward to the other sermons.
@kaleigh I definitely agree he is talking about a 1/2 mix... Which I definitely am not 1 at all. I'm only 15 min into his talk and was so confused about he would be describing a 2, because like you mentioned, my helping is driven more by love and care for the person and relationship, not by the task itself. I'm not as concerned with parking, I'm concerned with the person I see in the parking lot that is hurting and needs to be shown love
Kaleigh Lawrence I’m a 1w2 and yes, I definitely relate to this. I agree that he is blending type 1 and 2. The 2 helps because they are afraid that if they don’t, the person will turn their back on them. It’s about the person, not the work. Martha was working so hard because she loved Jesus and wanted to give him the best, so that Jesus will love her. It’s not about making the perfect dinner (that’s type 1), it’s about providing food for the person she loves, because she loves him and she needs him to love her back. I though I was a 2 for a while so I really understand this subtle difference of motivation
Kaleigh and Mellissa , So agree with both of you!
It's almost like the types and numbers are completely arbitrary, and completely useless.
www.jaymedenwaldt.com/2019/01/the-enneagram-science-and-christianity.html?m=1
Oh, they are.
Yes I definitely agree... some things just didn't sit right about my understanding of 2s. 🤔 But he did well!
Where can I find more videos with melody? She was fantastic in enneagram 8 video. and want to hear more from her.
Found this guy yesterday, god, i am hooked.
Thanks for watching Diego! We're glad you've joined us!
@@sandalschurch I am an unealthy 7w6 looking for god
Man I cried a lot listening to this. I don’t always want to serve. I’d rather be in every service listening to the word of God. Some things I feel don’t apply to me, but the majority of this really sits with me. I want so badly to be a Mary but I’m a Martha. If I have company, I CANT sit for long. I have to be up doing something. 😢
Thank you Lord for these teachings.
Thank you for watching with us Tammy!
God doesn't need the enneagram to teach His children.
No one says He needs it, but He can use it.
@@cherpidy3991 www.jaymedenwaldt.com/2019/01/the-enneagram-science-and-christianity_17.html?m=1
"The second reason I think Christians should stay away from the Enneagram is because this is the type of stuff that gives Christians and Christianity a bad name and makes it seem like Christians are anti-intellectual and anti-science. You cannot explain what the Enneagram is to a thinking person and expect them to think it's anything other than a modern version of astrology."
God is not using this. When a majority of experts in the field of psychology tell you it's not that great, you should listen.
@@cherpidy3991 I encourage you to research the origins of the Enneagram.
Even if these teachings seem helpful and good, they are rooted in mysticism. The Bible warns us that even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14).
I laughed and cried at this all!!!!
😂 ❤ This guy 😅 Amen for Pastor Matt 🎉
Yes yes yes ! This series is going to help so many people, we are blessed to be in your presence!!!
I wrote this comment 4 min in by the way, the spirit is moving within you & pouring out onto us.
@@scarletradiopodcast probably not.
skepdic.com/enneagr.html
"If the style doesn't fit, go back and change some answers until it fits but be careful because you may be deceiving yourself when you answered the questions the first time or you may be deceiving yourself with your revisions! Note also how the profile contains several weasel words: 'can be', 'are often', 'tend to', 'can become'. The central feature of the Five is thinking. Nobody needs a personality test to determine if his or her dominant energy, drive, fixation, passion, etc., is the intellectual. Thinkers are observers and intellectuals are often arrogant. This is not a scoop. Nor is it very useful."
Amen
This appplies more to 2w1 and the self preservation 2
Totally agree
Yes agree! I'm a 2w3 and found it hard to relate to a lot of the practical examples he used
Agreed, I am a 2 w6, I also did. I am not overly helper oriented --some good takeaways though! :)
@@leannepratt3148 How can you be a 2w6? Aren't the wings of a 2 the 1 and the 3?
@@jenkieffer9048 So, from the test I took, it says we have a primary one we identify with, plus two that we strongly identify with. Those two we strongly identify with but are not our primary one are called our wings. At least that's how it was explained to me! :)
Ouch
Wow 💛💪👊grandma
#motive 🙌
I was invited to sandals. Glad I didn't go.
Self- righteous
Whooa Kevin Bacon is preaching now..
Haha
A Big IHOPKC verse coming
reminds me a bit of dane cook. just the mode of speech, energy, and comedy. but yes, it is interesting to see the enneagram make its way to religious circles.
I feel very stalked right now. :D LIFE-CHANGING!
That's called the Barnum Effect.
God teaches us through the Bible, which is the only tool we need. Proverbs 30:6 warns us, "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
The enneagram is strongly associated with New Age philosophy and has occultic origins. The man credited with introducing the enneagram to the West is George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff was a mystic, philosopher, and spiritual teacher immersed in occultic practices such as astrology, mental telepathy, spiritism, fortune telling, and posession. One of his followers Oscar Ichazo, along with Claudio Naranjo (a psychiatrist) began relating the enneagram with personality types in the 1960s. In a 2010 interview, Caudio Naranjo admitted that he lied about the origins of the enneagram because he wanted his idea to become famous and widely accepted. Naranjo admitted the enneagram is not an ancient tool of Babylonian origin. He confessed he arrived at the nine personality types through "automatic writing," which is the process of producing written words while in a trance state. The words arose from a supernatural source. The bible warns us not to channel spirits (Leviticus 19:31). The enneagram is a demonic New Age teaching that is infiltrating the church. Please do your research, and remember the devil is the master of deception. Don't be led astray. 🙏🏼
The interview link:
ua-cam.com/video/wlO3KJWnNd8/v-deo.html
Where is the video for how to love a 1?
Hi friend! You can find the sermon on the enneagram 1 here: ua-cam.com/video/_Hyqy3BTlFI/v-deo.html
How to deal with a #2 that complains a lot that she's the only one that does things?
Who writes the questions for the enneagram tests? How many different tests are there? How are the tests graded and interpreted? How does your enneagram identity help you to love others and God? Think!
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man iam a 2w3 and still 19 going to 20 i feel related to a lot of things but nit all of them i dont like doing things alone oof i dont even know if iam telling the truth i like to hang up with a bunch of people like to help them in what they do like a lil extra but i want their attention its really true i dont know what to do know shall i tell them i need you to give me attention or show me love but i cant do things for you and iam more like a you goto try this person rather than just doing it i dont know what iam talking but iam know just being a 2 man i wish to get some suggestions cause iam fkn scared of being alone and i dont know why iam typing it even if i feel no one gonna notice it but iam doing it lol i dont expect some will read this far just a 2 expecting to get appreciation thinking others will notice okay its end
this actually came for alot of different things. the Jesuits didnt get a hold of this until way later on. Enneagram is an eastern system. I just read that in an Enneagram book called "Personality Types: Using the Enneagram for Self Discovery"
God teaches us through the Bible, which is the only tool we need. Proverbs 30:6 warns us, "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
The enneagram is strongly associated with New Age philosophy and has occultic origins. The man credited with introducing the enneagram to the West is George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff was a mystic, philosopher, and spiritual teacher immersed in occultic practices such as astrology, mental telepathy, spiritism, fortune telling, and posession. One of his followers Oscar Ichazo, along with Claudio Naranjo (a psychiatrist) began relating the enneagram with personality types in the 1960s. In a 2010 interview, Caudio Naranjo admitted that he lied about the origins of the enneagram because he wanted his idea to become famous and widely accepted. Naranjo admitted the enneagram is not an ancient tool of Babylonian origin. He confessed he arrived at the nine personality types through "automatic writing," which is the process of producing written words while in a trance state. The words arose from a supernatural source. The bible warns us not to channel spirits (Leviticus 19:31). The enneagram is a demonic New Age teaching that is infiltrating the church. Please do your research, and remember the devil is the master of deception. Don't be led astray. 🙏🏼
The interview link:
ua-cam.com/video/wlO3KJWnNd8/v-deo.html
@@radnerb I completely agree enneagram is fun little thing to think about conceptually but not a life governing system like the bible. And the enneagram should not be used as such.
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Where can we find “how to love a 1?”
Hi friend! You can find it here: ua-cam.com/video/_Hyqy3BTlFI/v-deo.html
Enneagram’s origins is occultism. I just discovered this. it burdened me that I got so into it, i was led to repent after discovering this.
Glad you gave it up :D
Yes Amen false teacher
I was looking for this comment
I wonder if Mary was a type 5?
It's possible! One of the things we've noticed about the enneagram is that while you may have some traits that are dominate, no one number defines who you are. We all can exhibit healthy and unhealthy aspects of every personality!
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HERESY
I would love to attend your church. I was all smiles and learned the word of god.
The history of the Enneagram is not simply a bunch of Catholic priests getting together and figuring this out. Its origins are much broader than a Christian-centric view of the world. But perhaps Pastor Matt covers that in another talk....
Valentina MC I expect people to tell the truth and give a full account. I guess I’m overly sensitive, having to live in this era of blatant lies and deceit. I do love that Pastor Matt is bringing the Enneagram to the Evangelical community.Revealing that it has more mystical, non-Christian roots might’ve freaked some folks out...
Mark Huslage The Sufism word scares the sheep, but you are correct. Gurdjieff believed in the risen Christ, so there should be no problem acknowledging him.
"Gurdjieff enjoyed guruistic power trips and wasn’t averse to humiliating his followers emotionally and sexually and compelling them to part with large sums of money."
universalmedicineaccountability.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/gurdjieff-gurucon-artist/
Yeah, no.
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Cried the whole sermon 🙄
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The enneagram is of occultic origin.
When I asked why God created humans (and angels), the answer I always got was "because He wants to be loved". If God doesn't need to be loved (or worshipped), why did He create the Universe?
God’s a father. Love is not selfish or self-seeking. The basis of the question doesn’t line up with who God is.
My parents didn’t make me because they wanted to be loved. He loves you.
@@saywhat7349 Then why did God create humans? And angels?
The answer to your question is actually the opposite. He created humans so he could pour unconditional love on them. He created us to love us because he is love.
Joy Bott you create what you care about, not what you love. He doesn’t need our love, but he wants it so that he can then return the favor.
‘Typologies serve two basic functions: they codify and they allow prediction. They are appealing because they offer simplistic pigeonholing and an assumed peek into the unknown. Hence they are a form of divination and fortune telling. They can be as entertaining as any parlor game, but the real tragedy of such schemes is that life-and-death advice is being given to people. A “Temperament Counselor” who advises on a lifetime career, marriage or spiritual development is likely to influence people’s lives for good or ill. Moreover, the victims often believe that they are really gaining knowledge about others and often rely upon the scheme to explain and excuse questionable behavior in others and themselves, instead of growing and changing by assuming responsibility.
Unfortunately, from the scientific point of view, nothing is explained if the state we have attributed to the person from his behaviour, is then invoked as the cause of the behaviour from which it was inferred. Circular explanations like this give the appearance of a genuine explanation that offers genuine knowledge. But it is only illusory.’
From the International Encyclopedia of the Social Sciences. Not a Christian book, no. But people with a lot more credentials than Matt Brown has to speak about these so-called "tools". Sorry to be salty but this series is a waste of space.
Interesting...i love the enneagram, but it’s origins are from Sufi mysticism, not christianity
Oh dont worry neither is this preacher or this church for that matter.
think he needs to re-study the personality types. and he doesnt understand what shame really is.
Elaborate ?
Fun fact, the father of modern typology himself Carl Jung said "the opinion has gotten about that my method…consists in fitting [people] into this system and giving them corresponding ‘advice.’ This regrettable misunderstanding completely ignores the fact that this kind of classification is nothing but a childish parlor game." So not only was Jung schizophrenic or demonically oppressed, but people aren't even using his wackadoo theories right anyway.
The enneagram has occultist roots; if the mission of YOUR church is to get real, then GET REAL: the church belongs to Jesus, not YOUR vision! Enneagrams are on par with ouji boards.
“The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but a wise man listens to advice.”
Proverbs 12:15
John 3:8 if we are washed in the blood of Jesus and baptized in the spirit of Christ, why fear the occult(hidden)? We are commanded not to fear anything. If we do not understand it, it will certainly be used against us. “My people perish for lack of knowledge. Because they have rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee.” Hosea 4:6
“Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God.”
1 Peter 2:16
John 3:8 with my freedom, I choose knowledge over ignorance. Knowledge is never evil in itself, but man’s use of that knowledge can be evil since we have been gifted(cursed, to some) free will. Knowledge is also used everyday to bring light into the world.
@@ajs4287 "The HPEI data also reveals that the idea of “wings” of the adjacent types is untenable.
Adjacent types show small intercorrelations (1 shows a +0.14 intercorrelation to 2 and -0.12 to 9 for example).115 To make things worse, the opposite types are not correlated negatively, but positively: for example, type 1 and 6 show correlations of +0.44 (French) and +0.47 (Dutch). In their comparison to a 5FM test,116 they fail to notice that adjacent styles
don’t show a continuous dimension. For example, if style 1 scores high on conscientiousness, the adjacent styles should somehow show at least medium correlations too. But this is not the case: for example, style 1 shows a correlation with conscientiousness of +0.58, whereas adjacent style 9 has a correlation of -0.07 and adjacent style 2 of 0.00. Except for
extraversion (at least with three styles), this problem occurs for all 5FM personality traits and the enneagram styles."
Scientific wisdom has proven the Enneagram is false.
My prayer is that we turn back to a reverence for God as opposed to comedy sermons that preach to the ego. As an observer who happened to stumble upon this video, I also would just like to bring recognition to how many times Gods Holy word was "ad-libbed" in the first 10 mins. I understand trying to make scripture relatable but relatable to what? People how they already are? Gods word is meant to be transformational and that won't take place when its watered down and filled with a bunch of ad-libs to make me laugh. I'm sorry but it just won't.
I think the point he was making is helping people on to deal with personality types and how to practically and applicably identify things we need to work on as individuals to better love and serve God. I just came across this enneagram, at first I was skeptical (As a 2w1 is) but then he started talking about being a Martha in serving yet, accusing Mary of not helping, and ultimately Jesus rebuking her.
It's not all accurate, but the general idea of seeing flaws in ourselves and humbly repenting and asking God to transform our hearts is the ultimate goal.
And often times because we're prideful in our flesh we do not see these things. So this sermon seems to aim for that. (:
You also seem to be forgetting all the rest of the scripture he directly quotes throughout the rest of the sermon.
I was in tears because of how Jesus encountered and tugged at my heart with conviction. There is place for self-assessment, emotional healthiness in our walks with Christ. You aren't Jehovah! Be careful that you aren't playing judge and jury, when pll are being impacted and His Spirit is moving and transforming. Listen, what is God inviting you to do based on this ministration? It may not be for you, remember your neighbor who may be struggling, so don't just need prayer, but a friend who will help them apply God's Truth to the lies many have adopted and taken as who they are (permanent personality).
Well some of us agree with you Alicia
@@joyceperlota4037 Claim: There are nine distinct personality types.
Response: The assumption that the types exist in reality is based on an assumption. This assumption
is that visible or detectable behavior is the effect of a cause. The type is a thing which causes
behavior, and is the reason for the behavior. The assumption is if you know your type, you know
the cause of your behavior, and by deduction the behavior of others. Each behavior corresponds
to each type, and so if you detect enough of behaviors that belong to a certain type, the person
exhibiting those behaviors has that type, or is that type. The type is reified, that is, the abstract
concept of type is made into a real thing with real and independent existence with the power
to cause behavior. The nine types are not made by the process of induction from observable
behavior, but deductively from a theory of centers of personality in the head, heart and gut in
three distinct variations. Supposing the nine types to be true, there is no evidence that there are
only 9, and not less or more. The teachers of the Enneagram were fallible human beings and
could have gotten the number wrong, among other things.
-- Timothy Vail, Quora user and former Enneagram enthusiast who then applied critical thinking one day and abandoned the Enneagram entirely.
False teacher
Ouch