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Joe Ely- David Grissom "versus" Wilko Johnson ( Dublin session)
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- Опубліковано 26 кві 2008
- (1984?) guest appearance by legendary British R'n'B guitarist Wilko Johnstone. A classic clip, and an interesting clash of cultures. Some killer sustain from mister Grissom. Please note that Wilko Johnson is the legendary guitarist for British band "Doctor Feelgood". He has no connection with the American band "Wilco". ( clue....-different spelling? )
Wilco’s guitar is bad ass! When they invent a time machine I am stealing it and going to this show! Who’s with me?!
RIP Wilko! What a great, fun-to-watch player.
GOOD GAW-DA!!!!!!!!! Joe and David. HAW-TA!!!!! Still to this day. EPIC!!!!
Wilco will live in my head forever RIP you legend.
RIP Wilko - we will miss you.
😥
wonderful moment to watch and appreciate. Both guys - our own Wilko and Dave - great guitarists - whole thing is a delight from start to finish - 11/10
Holy Moly! I musta been in the mood or something because this is just so monumentally great my brain's about to explode. I love Wilko, of course, everybody does. David G, I wasn't aware of him before, but I love that dirty, raunchy style he's got. This video is pure bliss, and oh yeah, Joe Ely's in fine form too.
I love Wilko to bits. He makes me feel good. He has the spirit of rock and roll in his dna. Sure he is not the best but that don't matter a bit.
Yes,an interesting clash of cultures. When this gig was televised in the UK none of us thought Wilco's behaviour was particularly extreme ( by punk standards?!)... Whereas Grissom's extravagant hair -and his weird cut-off jacket- did attract some negative comment. Ely quite often supported the Clash and he was readily accepted by open minded UK audiences. Grissom's an excellent guitarist and Wilco is an excellent entertainer. Let's just enjoy something that could never happen nowadays.
Yes it says a lot that they came to the UK in that era and were accepted purely on their ability. I always did like Grissom, I hear a lot of Duane Allman in his playing.
Thanks for info - just saw your other clip, great to see Grissom playing with Joe Ely, however bizarre the situation! There's a clip of David doing an Austin Texas radio acoustic session, in the interview before he plays, he states that playing with Ely was the highlight of his career - I saw them at Hammersmith Odeon ('91?) blew my mind and blew Robert Cray off the stage (who they were supporting) I so wish Ely would tour with him one more time, when they play together sparks seem to fly!
Some amazing comments on here... I think it should be obvious to anyone that Grissom is a much more accomplished guitarist than Wilco - and I'm sure that Wilco Johnson would be the first to say so himself. Wilco just has one trick up his sleeve, though. He is totally original.. (and consequently has been massively influential).
A very eloquent "summing up" of what this clip is all about.
Grissom is also incredibly original'
Wilko Johnson the miracle man. He was diagnosed with terminal cancer 2 or 3 years ago and seems to have beaten it. Legend.
Great stuff....just more treasure
Sad news delivered today regarding Wilko, terminal cancer. Looking at this performance he will always live on as a great inspiration and surely the best legend to ever come out of canvey island. Good luck Wilko and god bless you.
This just shows how more advance England was than the states in music. England (and Europe) embraced a Texas talent like Joe Ely, while our own country of homogenized monotoned, tasteless assholes ignored him.
I have seen Joe live all over Austin through the years and he always gave 1000% at every show. His songs/music are consistently amazing.
Three years late, but AMEN!
Amen, couldn't have said it any better.
Thanks for the hope
U BETCHA!!!
It was filmed in Dublin, Ireland.
@@joemorrison7633 :-) Even better.
Great with Wilko and David. Joe Ely joined The Clash for a tour, Live Shots from that era. This fits in perfectly.
Wilko is a LEGEND. Might not be the best technical guitarist, but he'll machine gun anyone
I was there when it happened!!
I love this! There's so much great music out there that's under the mainstream radar. Joe Ely, Wilko and Grissom are better than most but who's heard of them?
+John Hutchins Wilko Johnson is huge in the UK. ( and has - somewhat unlikely- appeared in "game of Thrones") He went through some medical issues in the last couple of years. I'd say that most good musicians are "under the mainstream radar", especially the ugly ones. ha ha
Growing up in Boston one of the major radio stations played Jo Ely on regular rotation. And Wico, so to us a lot of what wasn't mainstream was to us. Strange...
well , from what i've heard by some 'musical-&other-artz' friends from/in Boston , it has been a great place for 'OK'-or-better music , for generayshuns ....
- so have been other , quite a few places in your country ,,,,
Of course , anybody with some 'real interest' in twentieth century popular music has come across Joe Ely , and just as of course , many of his contempories , may they come from the Texas 'Flats' or Ashbury Heights ; come on guys , widen your horizon !!! ( me , having heard&SEEN ! Wilko in the flesh - there never was too much of it ! - when i lived in London 50 odd years ago , didn't know his name till yesterday , but most bloody obviamente it all came 'Back Home' when i saw his recent take with Daltrey : i must have been in some of those old 'movie(ng)s' ...... )))
Who'd have known i'd become a movieng star ???!!?
OKay, got to chime in here guys. I've seen David Grissom hundreds of times in Austin, Texas with the band Storyville as well as other occasions. He is one of the best guitarists you will ever see/hear. If there is a "versus" here, you need two guitarists of similar skills, even if very different in styles. Sorry, I enjoy Wilko's energy and wildness, but this is like a lion vs a housecat one on one.
I grew up with Joe, Jesse and the originals and several of those who jammed with Joe over the years. I met Charlie Sexton when he was 12 and playing with Joe. I was breathing music as a child, in the studio for the first at the age of 12. David is amazing as was Jesse. At some point I will write a memoir, at this time, I am still writing songs...
Hey this is just like that Karate Kid against the Devil Movie called Crossroads. Too much fun. Thanks for posting this, it's great.
@salvadory Totally agree. Tossy self indulgent solos. Give me Wilko anyday. For me ultimately more entertaining.Its not just the guitaring its the whole energy he gives off!
Yes I agree. Fortunately I have a scientific method of measuring guitar "awesomeness". On this session, Grissom measured 84% awesome whereas Wilco came in at only 47% awesome. So that settles THAT argument. Isn't it appalling when people think of Rock and roll as a form of entertainment?
Both brilliant in their own right !!
I have stood 2 feet from wilco with him showing how damn good he is - and I can tell you - he is bloody good
Yeah I love it too-it's a hoot! Funny yes it reminded me of the Vai/Cooder duel also...
Agreed, I should really remove the word "versus" from the title because it seems to be inviting comments from people with the "who is the most awesome?" mentality. How can you compare two such different artists? - How do you measure "awesomeness" anyway? Let's just enjoy the music. It couldn't happen nowadays, THATS for sure.
who cares who is better. they look like they're having fun!
Wilko..amazing stage presence. id watch him anytime coz he is original. Other guys good but really a dime a dozen.
remember the sultans of swing- " he was strictly rhythm, he dont wanna make it cry and scream" so comparisons are totally inappropriate, its showbiz
I think it all came about because Joe Ely was (surprisingly?) often featured at UK "punk" type gigs. ( although on this occasion the audience was bizarrely made up of cardigan wearing geriatrics). For instance he supported the Clash on numerous occasions. I think this particular gig was in Dublin, Ireland. Ely's band were required to "play host" to an unlikely sequence of scallywags; check out my "Joe Ely- oh boy" clip from the same session.
I'm sorry..but if you watch this and give a sh#t about who is better...you really need to go your room and read War and Peace !!
I love em both !!
.....and Joe is who?...Jerry Lee..? Chuck B....!!! no he's Joe Ely !!!
Love it ...
I will have this on permanent loop !!
FREAKIN party music !!
So perfectly stated, I wish I had written this comment....
Grissoms perm and fretboard wanking with Moore's grim and unfunky take on the blues. What a nightmare that would be. Grissom appears to have mistaken music for athletics in this clip it would be comical if he didn't go on saying so little for so long.
Wilko Johnson's style is based around the requirement of a live R'n'B band to crank out a big live rhythm. Dr.Feelgood, like The Pirates before them did this without the aid of a rhythm guitarist hence the lead-and-rhythm technique used by Wilko and Mick Green. Comparing the two guitarists is laughable, Wilko isn't a 'technque' twiddler....he's actually so much more. Grissom is a great guitarist though.
You guys doing the 'Wilko is best' or 'Grissom is best' seem to be missing the point... it's like comparing apples to fishes - no disrespect to either intended.
Personally, as an old Dr.Feelgood fan, I rejoiced when Wilko's twitching was replaced by Gypie Mayo, who, like Grissom, really learnt his craft as a 'lead gtr player' rather than as a 'stage presence'...
Guy Crossland As a 'guest', Wilco holds up pretty well in this gig, because anyone who can play well enough to admit it will agree that Grissom is scarily good here... I don't think the date can be 1984 - Grissom's PRS gtr wouldn't have been made until at least 1985, so this would probably be a late-'80s gig ? As for the 'poodle hair'... show us YOUR '80s pics... :o)
Guy Crossland Rejoice at what? Albums full of mostly mediocre, highly derivative blues songs? The good ones on those late 70's albums having to be written by Nick Lowe, their producer? After that, even fans are hard pressed to name stand-out tunes. Wilko was the songwriter, guitar was only part of his contribution, and the songs (and vocal delivery) are what matters and what is distinct.
Bruno TaTa Fair point on songwriting and the demise of Dr.Feelgood - I won't generalise, so I can only go on my own experience - I saw them live with Gypie but not after. I think Feelgood after Wilko were good, irrespective of who was doing the songwriting, at least for a while. Opinions differ, and mine has a lot to do with my age at that time, but I could equally argue that it was really Feelgood after Gypie (or maybe the whole genre of Pub-Rock...) that were past the sell-by date... :o)
***** Perhaps you could check out Wilko Johnsons latest colaboration with Roger Daltrey on UA-cam as well before you call him a clown which is a stupid ignorant comment.He plays lead and rhythm guitar at the same time.A true class act !!!
My favourite description of Wilko? "A demented bank clerk..." Charles Sharr Murray.
Who cares who’s better? I like them both
Joe is versatile and is known for playing in various genre of musical styles. Wilko is such a wacky character I can't help but find his style fascinating and fun. Joe surrounds himself with the finest musicians, but I still love his solo acoustic performances the best. Just Joe, a guitar and a harp in a rack and I am musically satisfied.
No, I never said it was a competition. I'm just stating who is the superior player.
Exactamente!
grande Joe Ely
Wilko the Legg still going strong after terminal Pancreatic Cancer from the Thames Delta of Canvey to the stars, still "scuttling" across the stage in a Town near you
Wilko's look at 3:10 is priceless!
@sixaxle Bingo! Any GOOD "cutting contest" (and most of them are) is all about the audience-- building tension and releasing it. Despite Wilko's posturing, he's near silent when the music calls for it, playing dutiful, appropriate rhythm when that's appropriate, and playing the role of guitar slinger to the max when his solo turn comes (except the time near the end when, to David's surprise, he missed a cue). Brilliant top shelf showmanship and good music from everyone. :)
Ah yes but which one is the most entertaining? - Historically, British pop musicians don't take themselves too seriously.
I love Wilco and Grissom, but I would never of put them on the same stage together in a million years! I kept thinking it was some sort of CGI trickery! Fantastic!
Does anyone know how this came to pass?
R.I.P Wilko sad news indeed.
I have considered removing the word "versus" from the title of this clip many, many times. I think both guitarists are amazing and I think it's a hoot when people compare them. Normally about once a month I go through the comments and delete all the stuff about "who is the most awesome" posted by the bedroom noodlers. Thanks for posting a senssible coimment . I totally agree with you. In fairness, I can hear both Duane A and Clapton in Grissom's playing, whereas Wilco is totally original.
@FullMontyUK im not dissing him- i just prefer wilko johnsons honesty gear and playing more- i hate guitar wankery and im a player myself- long live wilko! just like i prefer joe strummers voice over someone who can sing
You've obviously never heard London Calling.
As a pub rock stalwart and a major influence on British, hence world punk rock, Wilco is of incomparably greater significance to popular music that yet another filthy clean-cut middle-class American hippy guitarist whose hairstyle seems to be modelled on early Kevin Keegan and whose soulless playing results from too much "manual work" in the bedroom as a teenager alone with his jazz mags.
wilco is the man... how does that curly lead stay in that amp! one of a kind right there.
@LearnerMIC Good comment. Why dontcha hang around and explain that to the "awesome" brigade who keep comparing Wilco and Grissom as if it was the Guitar Olympics?
the session was recorded in Dublin not the uk. i know cos i was there
j kennedy Cheers. altered accordingly.
Iam so jealous. Looks like a show you would remember forever!
Hey wait a minute! I thought Dublin was in the UK! (Relax, I'm kidding! Lotsa Murikins might think that, but not me. I even got Irish blood).
Now you mention it, Grissom also plays a pure Clapton lick at 06:41. You're right, it's all a bit of fun.
Oh, I been thinkin about this since yesterday, and now I realize one reason David is so monumentally great. He's sort of a cross between Keef and Jimmy Page! He might even be an influence on them, too. And he throws in a little EVH vibe for fun.
BS!!
Keith Richards & Jimmy Paige were already insanely successful, when Grissom was around 10 years old, & still in school.
I've never heard of great musicians being 'influenced' by a child of ten!!
Johnson seems like a fine, high-energy player - from the notes he played (not necessarily the movement and attitude) plus the use of a Tele, I’d compare him to Jesse Taylor, Joe’s original lead guitarist. The comparison I’ve always made between Taylor and Grissom is that with Taylor I’ve enjoyed many “Yeah!” moments (i.e. shouting out “Yeah” when he pulled off an especially fine solo), but only with Grissom do I experience “Holy shit!” moments. So it went here. Johnson: good, Grissom: amazing.
@mrbill1114 Saw Joe this weekend and your right about those "Holy Shit"moments Grissom is SICK!!!!
very interesting ......good contrast .....not a battle .....
Cool...
wilcos tele wins over the aqua blue wankery- long live classic class- wilkos a monster
salvadory I got goosebumps when I saw that guitar!
Apart from this single, unusual occasion, which doesn't do him justice, I found Wilko Johnson's guitar work and stage presence the most effective in Dr Feelgood.
Depends on what you find entertaining, talent or silliness. I usually prefer talent in music and silliness in comedy, but that's me.
obviously you dont know david grissom...as the prs ad says...the mccarty model was designed by ted mccarty and paul reed smith for david grissom
@randyex23 gotcha. Couldn't agree more.
@FullMontyUK No doubt about Grissom being a better muso. For me its also about the character of the individual too. I can well admire someone being a great guitarist & accomplished musician. As you say its all about 'taste' whatever that may be. Its a cliche, but sometimes less is more. Also Im not totally against solos, just sometimes 7 minute ones in a song is too much....for me :)The list of those whove frittered talent away, as you know is endless. Thats another rock n roll cliche! :(
You all missed the best part of this song: the drummer---Davis McLarty, from Lubock, Texas.
First time I have viewed this who won
A soulful technician versus a jumping bean armed with 3 chords. Very entertaining.
A few double stop bends and a whole lot of attitude won the duel there by a mile
If anything, it's a clash of styles, not talent.
You don't seriously beieve it's a competition I hope?
I'm not agreing or disagreeing with you. But it saddens me that this kind of thing couldn't happen anymore. Imagine what kind of reception an "Americana" band like this would get in the UK nowadays.
I think it's pretty telling that you can hear Wilko's playing easily in the mix. One of only a couple of guitarists to play like that, whereas Grissom, good though he undoubtedly is, just plays like any other sustain merchant...
@FullMontyUK yeah i do hate guitar solos to be honest- i like songs first and foremost- and being into punk and 60s music i just like wilko johnsons playing and style look gear etc better - the song is great i could do without the dueling guitar solos- i still say grissoms a good player - i just dont like his style look sound- to me his solo reeks of guitar wankery- as in showing off and not keeping in feel with the song
I'm English, but it's embarrasing to see Wilco Johnson totally out of his depth, Dave Grissom simply blew him away, although we could have fielded much better candidates than the loony Wilco Johnson, I think someone like Gary Moore would have held his own though.
Man, truth be known, as long as you play good it is kind of an honor to be blown off the stage by someone who upstages you with respect. Most egotistical wankers could never understand such musical hierarchy. But then most egotistical wankers don't hang around the kind of company I prefer to keep. There actually is a thing in music called "mentoring" which exists elsewhere in the world too. So many UA-cam posters have no clue what respect is, let alone mentoring.
I think all these guys are great musicians and the people that feel the need to rate and compare seem like jealous egotistical mis-guided wankers...So there, let the hate mail roll from the wanker trolls, I can click block and ignore their stupid remarks as good as anyone.
My awesomeness-o-meter probably needs recalibrating but I got 99.9%(minus .1% for being hair style challenged) for Grissom and .1%(minus 99.9% for being talent challenged) for the idiot.
Grissoms just another good guitarist who has probably influenced about 10 people. Wilko is a legend with one of the most instantly identifiable sounds in the history of rock. His influence towers over the entire punk movement. No contest. Legend v someone who has spent too much time practicing and none on developing anything unique whatsoever.
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@sixaxle Bingo! Any GOOD "cutting contest" (and most of them are) is all about the audience-- building tension and releasing it. Despite Wilko's posturing, he's near silent when the music calls for it, playing dutiful, appropriate rhythm when that's appropriate, and playing the role of guitar slinger to the max when his solo turn comes (except the time near the end when, to David's surprise, Wilko missed a cue). Brilliant top shelf showmanship and good music from everyone. :)