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  • @DefiantBetterThanSpades
    @DefiantBetterThanSpades 11 місяців тому +60

    as a turtle main, i just wait for the other opponent to get impatient and start to get sloppy before i start being aggressive, tis the best strat with turtle that i know of.

    • @KingKongBam
      @KingKongBam 11 місяців тому +2

      brother

    • @t_gabiuel6058
      @t_gabiuel6058 11 місяців тому +1

      So the best strat to win with Turtle is winning by inpacient rather than actual skill? I dont even know how people can main such boring style. Hell, even matches agaisnt passive Hitmans are more fun than Turtle's one.

    • @DefiantBetterThanSpades
      @DefiantBetterThanSpades 11 місяців тому

      @@t_gabiuel6058 i jus like annoying people with its insane block

    • @AMBATUKAMceo
      @AMBATUKAMceo 11 місяців тому

      ​@@DefiantBetterThanSpadeshawk vs turtel

    • @shortstop-wt7bs
      @shortstop-wt7bs 11 місяців тому

      Counter vs Turtle

  • @theuntitledboxer
    @theuntitledboxer 11 місяців тому +72

    From my own experience, Turtle is pretty bad but not to the point of being completely unplayable. The issue with Turtle is simple, it WANTS to play like an infighter (decent attack speed, good dmg, poor range) but unlike every other swarmer, Turtle lacks any forward momentum and is easily punished for trying to keep applying pressure.
    Turtle's only truly okay at fighting other infighters or brawlers, since they'll ALWAYS be within range for most of the fight, and are usually slower making it easier to PD and deal damage. Any outboxer style can automatically hard counter due to the faster, longer reaching attacks, making it easier for them to stay away from you. Counter punchers are also pretty good against Turtle.
    My tips for Turtle are learn how to cut angles and how to keep opponents on the ropes. The easiest way to cut angles is to trace the opponent's steps, and not to just walk forward. This allows you to walk WITH them, making you able to catch up quicker and it can prevent back dashing being exploited (in other words, walk in the direction they are walking in, either to the left or right, and don't just hold w). Walking forward with your block up can also help with this. And since ropes have collision, it's a lost harder to dash when next to them, letting you land more hits since dashing is less effective.

    • @Del_xe
      @Del_xe 11 місяців тому +2

      Nerd

    • @EgyptianGojo
      @EgyptianGojo 11 місяців тому

      idiot​@@Del_xe

    • @mobilerbro1254
      @mobilerbro1254 11 місяців тому +12

      ​@@Del_xebro is out here giving some goodazz advice and u call him a nerd find sum better to do with ur time

    • @Del_xe
      @Del_xe 11 місяців тому

      @@mobilerbro1254 ion even know what to say to this but its all jokes

    • @Tush1ma
      @Tush1ma 11 місяців тому

      🤓☝️

  • @UberMonkey676
    @UberMonkey676 11 місяців тому +104

    Turtle is actually pretty good

    • @aleksejkovacevic48
      @aleksejkovacevic48 11 місяців тому +11

      If you fight a toxic hawk or bullet get turtle and they will cry lmao

    • @Leito_0
      @Leito_0 11 місяців тому +2

      I wouldnt call it good its useable

    • @MyFmE809
      @MyFmE809 11 місяців тому +1

      Is vert good ngl

    • @chepyxadza
      @chepyxadza 11 місяців тому

      I played on it and i won 4 times in a row gah

    • @MyFmE809
      @MyFmE809 11 місяців тому

      @@chepyxadza But You played in public 💀

  • @pikazuma3592
    @pikazuma3592 11 місяців тому +19

    if this was pyro playing instead of you my ears would bleed and he would moan every 2 seconds. I appreciate you so much keep it up!

    • @johamascool
      @johamascool 11 місяців тому +1

      trife

    • @t_gabiuel6058
      @t_gabiuel6058 11 місяців тому +4

      @@johamascool Trife is actually unwatchable, guy complains about anything and everything instead of paying attention to the match. And then at the end of the match he says that the style is broken and should be nerfed lmfao.

    • @johamascool
      @johamascool 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@t_gabiuel6058 its pretty funny tho, also
      he plays in the same region as me so i wanna grab a really dumb style and troll him with it

  • @fatemamariummumu4557
    @fatemamariummumu4557 11 місяців тому +4

    W vid jwordz, big fan. I was the iron fist you fought before you left

  • @salkin812
    @salkin812 10 місяців тому +2

    As a turtle amin, there are queues to when you attak, you can wait the guy finish his combos, wait he do a m2 and dodge and wait he punch the air, you're not all the time gonna catch him, but good amount of the times, and about chasing, if you dash forwards youcan't catch him, but if like, they're going to the left, if you dash to the left+forwards buttons at the same time, you can catch him good amount of the times too, and by all means, be patient

  • @neththeobnoxioussponge8929
    @neththeobnoxioussponge8929 11 місяців тому +2

    brilliant video, but a tactic that turtle will benefit the most that many players tend to overlook is ring control
    basically it is the aspect of having the most space in the ring or cutting the opponents space (via putting them on the ropes)
    as you can see here 1:45 Jwordz made the mistake of following the exact path the creating opponent is taking. This gives them more space to breath and gives them more opening to have superior position in the center ring.
    Instead of doing that, you should cut your opponents path instead. Instead of chasing the opponent you have to move sideways while they're on the ropes. That way if they think of escaping at the right, all you have to do is move/dash right, if they move left move/dash left too. That way you can keep them on the ropes, restricting their options to move away. AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, keep your superior position in the center, and slowly but surely cut off the opponents path to get into infighting range.

  • @Toastisgoodfr
    @Toastisgoodfr 11 місяців тому +1

    Yay another Jswordz vid
    luv the work❤

  • @markjamescabadsan6042
    @markjamescabadsan6042 11 місяців тому +1

    Your opponent is being patient and not putting any pressure on you because he knows you're using turtle is cool, but he still lose lol

  • @DreamingsOfLuna
    @DreamingsOfLuna 11 місяців тому +3

    I main Kimura and Hitman, I can say Turtle is a style that has a Great Block and SHREDS blocks, it's a very passive style but it isn't that bad, and I find it : Underrated and Good.

    • @Manfromthebush
      @Manfromthebush 10 місяців тому +1

      Smash pros slowly walking in with that ungodly m2:

  • @randomclips8369
    @randomclips8369 11 місяців тому +1

    Turtle is a perfect style for new players that dont know how to perfect dodge yet, its good but you can do better with other styles

  • @LiceraDN
    @LiceraDN 11 місяців тому +2

    At the end of the video Bro dropped the coolest turtle finisher move edit ever🔥🔥 W vid🔥

  • @Nøva_1324
    @Nøva_1324 11 місяців тому +2

    The trick I like to use with turtle is to forward dash except tilting it left or right, it kinda makes up for the weak forward dash

  • @WondaDer
    @WondaDer 11 місяців тому

    that's real was a good fight, I even took popcorn

  • @FritzJyrosRazonado
    @FritzJyrosRazonado 5 місяців тому

    In 7:30 damn the hitman range is damn high

  • @gentianaballa5368
    @gentianaballa5368 11 місяців тому +1

    Hello jwordz big fan of u and i love ur video😊

  • @Proyektols
    @Proyektols 11 місяців тому +1

    Side dash is good to engage, pretty much your beside the opponent, meaning opportunity to punish. It works for me which is nice.

  • @randomvideoscuzimbored8318
    @randomvideoscuzimbored8318 7 місяців тому

    The hitman was a fan, imagine how sad he would be when he sees u calling him annoying 😭

  • @zerofx6492
    @zerofx6492 11 місяців тому

    as a turtle main, the best way to chase somebody is to do zig-zag dashes even tho it consumes lot of energy its hard to predict, or you can try and predict where your oponent going and do a suden lateral dash

  • @kimphoungbui8094
    @kimphoungbui8094 11 місяців тому

    0:26 is that my friend bro lmfao

  • @hollownight931
    @hollownight931 11 місяців тому

    this guy made me tweak like holy shit how did u use to be a hitman main!? i now realize i wasnt having fun now i do have fun trying out alot of styles!

  • @Fergrfgf
    @Fergrfgf 11 місяців тому

    Jwordz love ur vids what software do u record on

  • @raymondgoofyhat.
    @raymondgoofyhat. 2 місяці тому

    Turtle is so good even if he’s cornered it doesn’t matter

  • @7th_Sunrise
    @7th_Sunrise 11 місяців тому +1

    Turtle is good if you know what you're doing. If you can Dodge almost every m2 you've basically won the fight, wether they like it or not boxing is close combat, they need to get close to actually land a hit.
    Technique of turtle is basically only attacking after a perfect dodge. The only counter for turtle is hitman with ridiculous long range and strong m1 that can shred any block with two full stamina m1.

    • @KingKongBam
      @KingKongBam 11 місяців тому +1

      And then they spam m1's💀

    • @t_gabiuel6058
      @t_gabiuel6058 11 місяців тому

      No? Turtle has the worst range in the game combined with the worst front dash, no matter what style you face, you can never play offensive. Turtle's gameplay revolves around waiting for your opponent to attack you and if they dont you literally just lose or the match never ends. Turtle's counter isnt just Hitman, any style is capable of completely contering turtle by simply playing passive.
      "If you can dodge almost every m2 you've basically won the fight" this can be applied to literally any style in the game, so I dont know whats your point there.

  • @1kyan.pepper
    @1kyan.pepper 11 місяців тому +1

    I used turtle and I beat a iron fist user 😂 (aka my friend who started playing before me)

  • @dread6660
    @dread6660 11 місяців тому

    as a turtle Main i approve and i also main smash

  • @n0t_htolledo
    @n0t_htolledo 11 місяців тому

    ngl turtle style is a pain in the ass when you use a style with mediocre damage because the guard is extremely strong, means your damage to the guard is ass, styles like smash, corkscrew and slugger can deal good amount of guard damage only when they use m2. I would respect someone using turtle no doubt, great video

  • @mariomaniaco7604
    @mariomaniaco7604 11 місяців тому +1

    As a turtle player, I think you should try to use it like in a counter style, understand your oponents and use their mistakes against them. It's really not that good, but I don't think that it's bad at all

    • @t_gabiuel6058
      @t_gabiuel6058 11 місяців тому +2

      "It's really not that good, but I don't think that it's bad at all" how does that even make sense? You are contracting yourself.

    • @lenoobxd
      @lenoobxd 11 місяців тому +2

      @@t_gabiuel6058he meant its a mid style
      not too good, but not too bad, turtle styles lies somewhere in between good and bad

    • @mariomaniaco7604
      @mariomaniaco7604 11 місяців тому

      @@t_gabiuel6058 Not being bad does not equal being perfect

  • @Kyosuke_Kun
    @Kyosuke_Kun 11 місяців тому

    Eyy early🎉

  • @Blud511
    @Blud511 11 місяців тому

    Best style in the game fr

  • @buffete3753
    @buffete3753 11 місяців тому +2

    I mean yeah it has good block and cool damage , but its easily readable , you have to play passive with it to Hope landing hits.

  • @everlastingcomet
    @everlastingcomet 11 місяців тому

    I normally just stand in a corner if they keep running away, forcing them to get in close so I can actually do something.

  • @steveterror1284
    @steveterror1284 3 місяці тому

    Btw turtle m2 is the same speed as dash so could leteraly m2 a side dashing opponent really good

  • @DALTC
    @DALTC 11 місяців тому

    0:26 hey dats me :D

  • @Chokymilk.
    @Chokymilk. 11 місяців тому

    My friend who’s a slugger main and kinda mains turtle just when there low just abuses the power of its block and there’s nothing you can do because of it being so strong

  • @Tasty0
    @Tasty0 11 місяців тому

    Turtle with the o.p ahh block 💀

  • @oddhuman2
    @oddhuman2 11 місяців тому

    The first guy is the biggest counter to turtle the ones that wait for the user to stop blocking by walking away or by dashing away

    • @oddhuman2
      @oddhuman2 11 місяців тому

      Plus hitman range and speed with a normal damage is a big disadvantage to turtle

  • @JoeYabukii
    @JoeYabukii 11 місяців тому

    2:00 bully from ippo 😂😂😂

  • @Fudge_167
    @Fudge_167 3 місяці тому

    I main turtle. You have to play defensively. Like, really defensively. My cup of tea.

  • @kart_kid4832
    @kart_kid4832 11 місяців тому

    I feel like the tier lists are just based off how little skill you need to use for a style, least amount being S and most amount is being F.

    • @Ventom0303
      @Ventom0303 11 місяців тому

      Pretty much yes

  • @Meepmeep14-r9s
    @Meepmeep14-r9s 11 місяців тому

    If turtle has enemy bullet they could just block and wait for the m2 or stamina drain lmao

  • @Pika7820
    @Pika7820 11 місяців тому

    I’m so bad at this game bro. I started playing earlier today and most my matches ended with me losing or almost winning. There were two wins where the other left pretty early and one actual win that ended up being kinda close. I currently have Wolf

    • @CreepyKolify
      @CreepyKolify 11 місяців тому

      Don't use wolf it's passive is pretty much non existent

  • @thefaceofpainandregret2216
    @thefaceofpainandregret2216 11 місяців тому

    4 spins and ready for the next style💀

  • @BenDover-j8v
    @BenDover-j8v 11 місяців тому

    Man, I just got a new style slot and rolled hitman with a lucky spin, but I just feel so wrong playing it. I know when I was the one without hitman I absolutely despised it

  • @ManGoOof
    @ManGoOof 5 місяців тому

    Turtle best style in game

  • @sauloplayd2793
    @sauloplayd2793 11 місяців тому

    Ranked = Hitman and Ghost.
    Skilled people☝️🤓

  • @ConfusedWalker
    @ConfusedWalker 5 місяців тому

    Ahh yes turtle, A style that has the best health and durability, has the same if not better damage output than ippo with backdash, rarely known meaning the enemy will be confused what style ya usin. And has a good shield breaking damage output, the fact that when i first joined UBG and got that style, i defeated a 2k knockdown pro.

  • @syn351
    @syn351 11 місяців тому

    When is next style releasing

  • @SirToad006
    @SirToad006 10 місяців тому

    Bro finally people know that turtle is good, cuz my friend bully bcz i main turtle 😭

  • @AltAlt-th6di
    @AltAlt-th6di 11 місяців тому

    Turtle has always been strong since release good range decent speed best block
    and good damage the guard block is also strong if you use it correctly you're extremely hard to knock down

  • @SkyREX4LIF3
    @SkyREX4LIF3 11 місяців тому

    YEAAAAAAH NOW WE SPEAKIN MY MAIN (btw his side dash move further than his forward dash)

    • @hulkwithagun9749
      @hulkwithagun9749 11 місяців тому

      So people just shouldn’t chase with turtle and only wait for M2s. Why do people try to chase???

    • @SkyREX4LIF3
      @SkyREX4LIF3 11 місяців тому

      @@hulkwithagun9749 Corner him

    • @lenoobxd
      @lenoobxd 11 місяців тому

      @@hulkwithagun9749they’re blinded by the big damage turtle style has

    • @hulkwithagun9749
      @hulkwithagun9749 11 місяців тому

      @@lenoobxd Ngl fighting anybody who plays passive with turtle is pure pain.

    • @lenoobxd
      @lenoobxd 11 місяців тому

      @@hulkwithagun9749 u need smash for em
      otherwise it takes an eternity to bring their block down, only to see it starts to regen…

  • @theXENO14
    @theXENO14 11 місяців тому

    playing turtle ❌
    playing counter ✔

  • @NEXUGHS
    @NEXUGHS 11 місяців тому

    Can you try fighting the no.1 ranked on the leaderboard

  • @HBreakingBad
    @HBreakingBad 11 місяців тому

    I used this style to get to 20k back when hitman was dominating ranked, you wanna be annoying with hitman then I'm gonna be more annoying with turtle

  • @FallNightt
    @FallNightt 11 місяців тому

    Give my turtle some walking speed drowningsome!

    • @t_gabiuel6058
      @t_gabiuel6058 11 місяців тому

      The style is meant to be slow. It's literally called Turtle.

  • @andreesungureanu5435
    @andreesungureanu5435 11 місяців тому

    And the basic style is preety similar to ippo because the m1 are the same deamage and he belongs ippo

  • @Dontmindmyname-w2l
    @Dontmindmyname-w2l 11 місяців тому

    For me turtle is very op cuz like I’ve won as turtle so many times the only downside is the dash but everything else is pretty much good

  • @Idkwhattotypeyoutube
    @Idkwhattotypeyoutube 11 місяців тому

    HEAR ME OUT *SERIOUS*
    They should nerf or remove ippo from the game
    Reason 1: dashes
    Ippo has a ton of stamina
    And almost 0 dash cooldown making it that you cant catch it
    Only If your good you maybe will
    (I played with an ippo player and he was into my face 0.5 seconds after the match started)
    Reason 2: base damage
    It has damage of iron fist and a lot faster startup, so you can easily get "unfied champion" or smth and destroy everyone
    Even if your new to the game bc you can always spam back dash if your put under pressure by a hitman or long guard and your safe
    Reason 3: ult damage
    Ippo does mindbreaking *65%* of your health disappears at a moment
    If you play a slow startup style like a slugger or iron fist you will easily get countered as soon as the ult ends and will propably be laid out onto the ground with K.O on your screen
    (Also, they should change iron fists ult damage from 80% to at least 70%)
    Please guys hear me out, if drowning doesnt nerf it then im gonna watch 469292749392727 how to beat ippo vids and when in finally gets *NERFED* people will need to actually get good at the game lol
    Remember:
    dont be toxic
    Be toxic to those who play passive
    Be kind to new players
    If they start to main ippo dont be kind anymore
    If they get unfied champion in less than an hour dont be suprised
    ♥️Thank you for your time♥️

  • @abdullah10951
    @abdullah10951 11 місяців тому

    turte is actually not really bad
    but having a very bad dashes really doesnt make sense
    in the anime ippo is able to chase miyata by dashing so it doesnt make sense

  • @bryantph919
    @bryantph919 11 місяців тому

    W vid

  • @bebek_lag
    @bebek_lag 11 місяців тому

    Wolf is pretty good too

  • @d-boi9785
    @d-boi9785 11 місяців тому

    It’s ok because of the weird and snappy m1 animations

  • @whitenff9633
    @whitenff9633 11 місяців тому

    love from malaysia

  • @hoaxes8537
    @hoaxes8537 11 місяців тому

    Turtle is a GOD style against close range styles he fucking slaps the busted damage and strong ass block makes him one of the BEST or the BEST close range styles and the dashes kinda don't matter since it's close range but it's still a big hinderance so.
    Long ranged styles? He's fucked up don't even try
    My best tip play passive if them mf play passive make them waste shit load of their time because they know if they get close they're dead although they can pester you at long range thr best that you can do is find an opportunity to counter them and do shit load of damage and maybe you have a chance to win? But that's pretty rare
    Tldr:
    God at close range
    Shit at long range

  • @armaturejohn9110
    @armaturejohn9110 8 місяців тому

    What's the song that plays?

  • @kezefl
    @kezefl 11 місяців тому

    I thought the turtle wasa bad cuz it very easy to read because its arms when attacking were spread too wide

  • @JopTheOlof
    @JopTheOlof 11 місяців тому

    damn I actually agree with him for once

  • @MyFmE809
    @MyFmE809 11 місяців тому

    0:57 💀🗿

  • @coolmanwilliams7069
    @coolmanwilliams7069 11 місяців тому

    I'm turtle main thx bbg

  • @Bearman851
    @Bearman851 11 місяців тому

    To answer your question, from what I could gather, the playstyle is not fun. They don't care though; they will win no matter what. And if your unlucky, they'll be toxic too (which is way too common).

  • @Regular_Gambler
    @Regular_Gambler 11 місяців тому

    Turtle m2 also only comes from one side

  • @jeffersontobias6758
    @jeffersontobias6758 11 місяців тому

    Turtle is a A- tier for me

  • @zippy7197
    @zippy7197 11 місяців тому

    Try basic style it's good

  • @ElMenSinVidaSocial
    @ElMenSinVidaSocial 11 місяців тому

    how bro winned w turtle 💀🙏🙏

  • @Rip_Sarim
    @Rip_Sarim 11 місяців тому

    Hello

  • @taquanghuy9069
    @taquanghuy9069 11 місяців тому

    where is the "da hell"??

  • @landonmeyer5562
    @landonmeyer5562 11 місяців тому

    i atually havent tried the turtle style

  • @AthenaPacaanas
    @AthenaPacaanas 11 місяців тому

    Did you know all uncommon is good some of them are even better than freedom

  • @ThatDizzyKid
    @ThatDizzyKid 11 місяців тому

    As a hawk user, Turtle really pisses me off (even as much as Hitman does)

    • @Abyssal29
      @Abyssal29 11 місяців тому

      Hawk is good?

    • @ThatDizzyKid
      @ThatDizzyKid 11 місяців тому

      @@Abyssal29 If you know how to use It, it's pretty good and balanced on in and off fighting. It has an insane damage, nice counters, the ulti is lowkey sick, pretty good dash, good block... The only "contra" is that you can't dash back, so you can't just run away. But it is compensed by a nice hip dodge instead. It takes some time to learn how to use it, but when you learn, it's really broken.

    • @ThatDizzyKid
      @ThatDizzyKid 11 місяців тому

      @@Abyssal29 But, keep an eye on turtles and hitmans.

  • @urlocalguyidk
    @urlocalguyidk 11 місяців тому

    Guys how do equip a fighting style bc i got a lengendary and i dont know how to change

  • @rememberme4717
    @rememberme4717 11 місяців тому

    I use side dash to chase opponent idk if anyone else does the same

  • @itztkian_1111
    @itztkian_1111 11 місяців тому

    I have defeated a freedom user with basic :)

  • @NEXUGHS
    @NEXUGHS 11 місяців тому

    Can you give me the link of the untitled Boxing game discord server

    • @t_gabiuel6058
      @t_gabiuel6058 11 місяців тому

      You can find it in game's description.

    • @NEXUGHS
      @NEXUGHS 11 місяців тому

      @@t_gabiuel6058 thank you i didn't know

  • @Danenc
    @Danenc 11 місяців тому

    i fough an iron fist with turtle accidentaly in ranked once and i won
    that's how my opinion on turtle changed forever

    • @t_gabiuel6058
      @t_gabiuel6058 11 місяців тому

      Acording to this logit, Ive faced a Ghost player as Basic and won, meaning Basic is clearly better than Ghost.

    • @Danenc
      @Danenc 11 місяців тому

      @@t_gabiuel6058 what i meant was that i thought turtle would be unplayable for me but it actually isnt bad
      i meant that i underestimated this style

  • @AoiTodo823
    @AoiTodo823 10 місяців тому

    Turtle vs Hawk 😭

  • @cuilixin
    @cuilixin 11 місяців тому

    I hate runners, bcuz i just cant catch then on this style💀

  • @hinsnsna
    @hinsnsna 11 місяців тому

    Turtle is same as slugger?

    • @SerD_Bacon
      @SerD_Bacon 6 місяців тому

      No slugger has a better dash overall and slugger has better m1 range and m2 dmg

  • @darkjojo3667
    @darkjojo3667 11 місяців тому

    Ngl I use turtle at rank and my opponent is hitman somehow I won and lucky lol.

  • @samueljacenxaviercunanan9315
    @samueljacenxaviercunanan9315 7 місяців тому

    Turtle will be good for an out boxer

  • @Professor_Carnage
    @Professor_Carnage 11 місяців тому

    I got more wins with the turtle style than freedom:/

  • @jaedendagohoy7810
    @jaedendagohoy7810 11 місяців тому

    Yo any reason why some people get 80 pitty?

    • @The_Star-king
      @The_Star-king 9 місяців тому

      If you get max pity you will 100% get legendary

  • @tishaharoshka6311
    @tishaharoshka6311 11 місяців тому +1

    Nicee

  • @WishesMadeVisualAfrica
    @WishesMadeVisualAfrica 11 місяців тому

    can u troll toxic players with ghost?

  • @Mrbaconedok
    @Mrbaconedok 11 місяців тому

    Now try basic style

  • @samueljohnfranial4503
    @samueljohnfranial4503 11 місяців тому

    Turtle is good i beat a freedom player with it

  • @reinc6156
    @reinc6156 11 місяців тому

    Use Counter style plz

  • @IAMBATMAN3
    @IAMBATMAN3 11 місяців тому

    I like turtle

  • @TopmenTacobell
    @TopmenTacobell 11 місяців тому

    Bro this game need be fix I can't win a match because of the ping

  • @sweetiimini
    @sweetiimini 11 місяців тому

    w vid??

  • @jaradegg1409
    @jaradegg1409 11 місяців тому

    crazy