My God. How Ralph did not win the Oscar for this role is beyond me. The accent, the demeanor, the body language, the ice-cold, expressionless look in his eyes, he NAILED the role as this evil monster, SS Kommandant Amon Goeth. I both hate and am terrified of his character. Absolutely sublime acting.
PiscesGirl The Oscars back then was sort of still credible but the competition was surely tough. But Ralph not winning the Besr Supporting Actor is beyond me. Unbelievable!
If you have seen pictures of Amon Goethe -- he looks nothing like Ralph Fiennes in this character -- but I am sure that his ice cold demeanor is pretty much spot on.
@@martheresa7550 His own daughter, Monika, said she was floored when she saw the movie, the car scene with RF whining about the cold, his first appearance in the movie. She said it WAS her father.
You think it's about him "caring", nope it's manners that are important to himself. It the same reason why someone would eat in a proper manner at a table and not like a swine, it's important to how he views himself, not about how he is viewed by others or in the same sense caring about others.
Well, he's obviously attracted to Helen and not to the engineer. There's that. But Goeth's order of killing the engineer in front of Helen also warns her what will happen to her if she "steps out of line."
He didnt disagree with her professional opinion He disagreed with her even being a professional or even having an opinion...she was a subhuman in his eyes
The Engineer died for four reasons: 1) She wounded Goeth's ego when she dared approach him casually and talk to him without cowering in fear, as if they were equals. 2) She told him her education, which was higher than his, and thus made him feel stupid. 3) She pointed out an error in a building being constructed in his camp, thus making him look weak, and threatening his control in his own personal kingdom. 4) She did all this in front of his subordinates, his prisoners, and his new "maid," compounding the blows to his ego 10 fold. This is because Goeth was a pure narcissistic sociopath. These narcissistic injuries she inflected - because she was a sane person who had never been the victim of a narc sociopath and so was unable to instinctively think like a narc - threatened his control, so he killed her to punish her and re-establish dominance and control over everyone else. She might have survived had she gone to one of the lesser supervisors and told them what needed to be done.
She died for one reason only - the Nazis wanted her dead. "This is because Goeth was a pure narcissistic sociopath." That's pretty much it. There was little to no reason for being killed at any particular time other than that's what they were going to do then or later.
@@patrickelliott-brennan8960 Mesmer overexplained it, but the Engineer was dead the moment she raised her voice and drew attention to herself. It's like boot camp - the nail that sticks out gets hammered down. They didn't want "educated Jews," they wanted mindless automatons that did what they were told until they had no more use of them. If she'd been allowed to live, she'd have become a figurehead to rally around and behind.
Actually no, he had to hold an image. It had nothing to do with education level. She saw a potential to gain favor and position by ability. Whole point of what he did was to save as many as he could without breaking character. She threatened that goal entirely. Plus he needed to send a message to the new maid. That his act of kindness was not without its immediate limits. There is a scene of a woman who slacks off which he kills. This was done because she adhere to his words. Work and you’ll live as long as I can let you essentially.
Notice how Amon stops right in front of her the first time he walks past them. He had already made up his mind but knew that he had a conflict in him (such a great performance by Mr. Fiennes here).
I think that has more to do with camera framing for this scene more than with any foreshadowing. The frame introduces us to the 2 main subjects in this scene (Amon and Helen) so that we can begin concentrating on Helen from the very beginning. Theres 2 things that actually make Goethe choose Helen: 1) Her Obedience. He says he doesnt want somebody elses maid because they arent *his* maid. He tests Helen by purposely making her repeat her name to see how she takes orders and to guage her temperament...he uses his cold as a disguise. She is obedient and even tempered. 2) He checks her vulnerability. He exposes her body and she never covers herself up again. Her hands are trembling but everyone else is standing just fine...shes not cold, shes afraid and Goethe is a master at sensing fear. She was emotionally vulnerable and obedient...meaning she could be *his* so he took her.
Very insightful. My interpretation is that Ralph Fiennes' Amon Goeth is a representation of confliction of morality within the Nazis. He's the opposite polarity of Schindler, one that forsook ethics for duty.
He doesn't want his workers sick because they are still useful to him. When he wants someone to be executed though, it's because he doesn't want to use them anymore.
Yes, that missing line really did put the cap on the scene. It showed that he knew she was right, but he ordered her murder anyway, just to prove a point.
Mhkail Reilly i'm talking about equal rights i know democracy was created before, i ain't denying it. I'm just saying it wasn't *EQUAL* between races, genders and ages. Look it up
The indignation and innocence of the engineer is so real She WAS trying to do her job correctly from what she learned in university, never realizing what the animals that were the Nazis could do to her So inhumane and; incredibly sad
She was trying to save her life anyways. If she said nothing, the structure would have collapsed, and she, the foreman, would have been punished for it. I don’t think she could have” won” no matter how things played out. But, you’re right. I don’t think she expected to be shot then and there.
Exactly, because knowing that such irredeamable character as evilness and brutality really existed and IRL was even far worse , the Academy couldn't give to Fiennes tthe Oscar, because it was like honoring the real evil instead of praising an awesome role by a talented actor
When people say stuff like this, do they not bother looking up who won instead? Usually when someone doesn't win an Oscar, it's because someone else did. Find out who before you complain about it
Poon Handler You have to remember some German families were unaware of the atrocities being committed they were all feed propagandas that they weren't treating the Jews badly.
An actual survivor of the camp was brought onto set and introduced to Fiennes while he was still in costume in his full Nazi uniform and she broke down and started shaking uncontrollably because of how similar he looked to the real man
*backs up* ‘I don’t want to give you my cough’ Then proceeds to have the engineer summarily executed (in almost unbelievably realistic detail, including the huge reflex twitch throwing her on her side) Amazing amazing film and script. And yes, Fiennes was robbed of an Oscar here.
@@robione5627 Not at all. Quite the contrary. I know how dangerous people can be in groups. I see those antifa and BLM rioters blocking traffic and ripping people out of their vehicles and I take note. I can deal with up to 50 problems and that's just out of my pockets. Not the whimpy 9mm, but the big chunky 45s. If I were "strong", I'd just zap them all with lightning, but I'm not "strong". Wish I was. It'd be fun.
I always thought he had her shot, not only because she argued with them, but because they didn't believe Jews should be smarter than them. Its like he didn't order the builders to do what she said till she was already dead because he didn't want to let her know she was right
En parte tienes razon, pero el error de ella fue que se identifico, sino lo hubiera hecho tal vez lo termina, quiso imponer su criterio de construccion sin que Amon se lo preguntara, un error que le costo la vida....y el ordeno su muerte, y ordeno que tumbara todo y lo volvieran a construir como ella lo dijo....
@@okapmeinkap7311 so living is evil? I'm not doubting you, I'm just asking you to expand on why evil spelt in reverse is evil metaphorically. Yes, Chinese but born in Australia
It's a lose lose situation. On the one hand she gets shot for telling him what should be done. On the other hand, if she kept silent and the building falls, she will be shit anyway...
Tbh she won the situation, she got a quick painless death, more than what a lot of those other poor people got, being herded into a building to be burned or gassed alive or just straight starved to death.
Ralph Fiennes was/is an English Shakespearean trained actor and based on the scenes in this movie must be one of if not the most talented actor in the world...he is amazing.
bowler8 I kinda figured that out... :) BTW I looked at some of the historical youtube videos about Amon Goeth and it's amazing how much Ralph looks like him...apparently Goeth's daughter was on the set when Schindler's list was being filmed and she said she was overwhelmed when she saw Ralph in his uniform and immediately knew that was her father.
Ralph does look like the real Goeth up to a point; however, to me Ralph has a much softer and more genteel look--which IMO is actually what makes the character of Goeth so terrifying in the film.
Because different sittuation. On first situation, he looking for a woman that will be a part of his house. On secend situation the jude woman, prisoner, try to be cleaver than german officer. Romans also treate they slaves as they own properti, killing them if they want, but also sometimes they adopt some of the slaves and make them free. This is no contradiction.
The whole housekeeper relationship between Fiennes and Davidtz in Schindler’s List is any example of absolutely amazing acting. Fiennes cannot come to terms with the fact that he is physically attracted to a Jewish woman. The sense of dread and doom that Davidtz expresses in having to work with a coldblooded murderer like Amon Goeth is so powerful and strong in this movie. This is an example of superior acting that is rarely seen in the movies today.
"Fiennes cannot come to terms with the fact that he is physically attracted to a Jewish woman." This relationship is an invention of Steven Spielberg. Helen Jonas-Rosenzweig (her real name) said in an interview that none of this is true, Göth felt only hatred for the inmates.
@@mausilugner6637 That may be true, but their relationship the way it’s written gives so much extra depth and tension/dread to what would otherwise be a stereotypical Nazi movie villain (which is no doubt how he probably was perceived by his victims and survivors) It makes the viewer question ‘if there’s a human in there’ after all.
This scene always hit me hard. The absolute disregard for human life. It is incomprehensible what human beings are capable of doing to other human beings. This movie was so well done. I got chills from this scene every time I saw it.
@@anwitmondal6417 Only them? The Russians killed of 20 million of their own people before the war had even started, let's not even start about Mao's Chinese killings... or the Native-American destruction by the United States. Numbers that outweigh the entire second world war!
Its because of the passive insanity of most of humanity. Yes he ordered her killed. Did anyone stand up to him? Why didnt they? People never stand up for what is right and thats what socipaths get power. The masses are always more powerful. But no one cares.
@@nryanmusic "People never stand up for what is right" People often enough stood up for what is right, it is just that ambitious people are more powerful and overall more clever - most people in modern society do not prefer to stand up unless it is too blatantly merciless as we are living decadent luxurious lives (compared to the rest of humanity's existence. Tough way of living breeds for tough men, and soft living breeds for soft men). The reason why Communism failed per example was simple: ambition. Corruption was rife in every rank and the leaders were always ambitious sociopaths (the ambitious good-hearted people were usually outplayed by those that are amoral/"evil"). It is true that good people need to band together more but most do not want to care as everyone has their own problems. The world is not idyllic, alas.
Im betting Goeth would be a shy awkward man if born in our era. He gives me the impression of a weak man granted great power and abusing it to boost his ego. Contrast him with Heydrich who really was a strong brave man even though utterly evil.
@G E T R E K T Some of them are certainly but attaining high rank does not mean a man is psychologically strong. And in any case I stand by my judgement of Goeth. He rose to power too quickly and mostly through connections. And his actions as a commandant most definitely do not correspond to a brave individual. Both in real life and in this movie. As I said if you want to see what an evil man with steel inside him looks like check out Heydrich.
Referring to the engineer, the lesson is, know when to keep your mouth shut. If you pay attention to who’s in the position of power in the situation, and have noted they’ve already shown a tendency to be ruthless killers of anyone who opposes them or speaks out, being a loudmouthed hero isn’t going to get you anywhere but six feet under, so keep your silence. There’s a lesson for life in this scene.
It's a lesson for American corporate life too. Speak up in a public meeting about a mistake going on in a project and your boss will humiliate you in front of everyone and start a witch hunt until you quit.
One of the greatest roles in cinematic history. Absolute master class in acting from Ralph Fiennes, he mastered the hugely complex character that was Amom Goeth. The absolute cold, evil psychopathy of this character but occasionally in the film interspersed with traces of humanity, like when he said "I don't want to give you my cold" , perhaps a reminder of the better side of his character in earlier times which obviously during the war was totally submerged by his monstrosity. Liam Neillson was obviously brilliant as Schindler but for me Fiennes was the stand out acting performance in the film.
Perhaps being a concentration camp commandant and a Ubtersturmfuhrer of the SS, making delivering extrajudicial capital punishment part of his work description could have something to do with that.
The real Amon Goeth used to walk in circles at his room because he was so eager to shoot the people from his balcony. The woman who worked as his housekeeper said this. I believe he was very restless, he was just good at hiding his very disturbed emotions behind a steel composure.
@@alejandro6620 The mountains of evidence say otherwise. Oh but I'm sure all of it is "made up." Convenient. "Can't prove a negative" so you think that means you're right and everyone else is wrong. Typical mindset of the uneducated.
‘I don’t want to give you my cold’ is the banality of evil, he’s just going through the motions as a human, doing everything he thinks is right....and even when he says ‘yeah I’m doing mine’ in response to the woman saying she was doing her job, just people doing their job
Masterclass acting. Notice how unawares to Helen she has power over him. When he first sees her there is a brief look of nervousness, and vulnerability, as he looks away and cannot face her. This is also why he apologises for coughing and no wanting her to catch his cold. He fell for her at first sight and probably killed the engineer as he did not want anyone looking more smarter than him as well as to flex his power and traumatise Helen into not trying to escape.
I choose to see it another way, he specifically chose the woman who didn't raise her hand. She *wanted* to go back to the back-breaking labor and squalid conditions rather than be beholden to Amon. He chose the strongest link because he wanted to delight in getting to break her.
Actually no, he was saving what he could. He had to look the role. Hence why he says work if you want to live. Issue the girl made was she didn’t work. She questioned and tried to assert her self into higher authority. Leaving her live would break the victim mold mentality he needed to keep them focused. If they believed they could present ability to gain favor then the whole image of ruthless management of the prisoners would break. Then he would die and all of them.
He took a look at all the women in the line and made up his mind about Helen immediately and then he asked about the housework experience. He looked back at Helen and when she didn't raise her hand, he changed his story into not wanting experience anyway. So he chose her based on attraction
@@SilverGreenEyes18 yeah he liked her the instant he met her so he amended the housekeeper questions to fit Helen getting chosen without looking too obvious, though he was incredibly obvious.
It's a real testament to Fienne's acting prowess that he was able to blow us all away in this role, and then in the same year, blow us away again with his character in "Quiz Show", a character that was the polar opposite of Amon Goeth. And of course his career ever since has proven over and over again that he's one of the best actors in the world. A genuine artist.
The moment Helen has to watch the execution is the moment she begins to truly fear Goeth. This is the only scene we see Helen directly look him in the eyes - When he started lining up the women and picked her she of course was frightened (as she of course knew how the Nazis were), but when he then acted almost caring not wanting to give her his cold and asking her name, I think she had a short moment of ‚oh, maybe he’s not like the others here‘. I noticed that at 1:17 they both have a moment of slightly smiling at each other - Helen’s is (no suprise) very forced and nervous, but she tries, and for the fragment of a second we also see Goeth look at her with a quite content expression, before he seemingly can’t bear the eye contact anymore and looks away. And them two minutes later he ordered the execution of that poor architect and made Helen stand next to it, forced to watch. The acting is truly superb in this
2:28 Even the nazi officer who first had an argument with the Jewish engineer found Goeth's order to shoot the woman to be absurd, he probably didn't think it would escalate to that
@@bailmccabe9089 Nah it was more to the point it was an absurd request. He didn't like her, obviously, but she was fulfilling a job not many people can do. It is a waste of resources and he was pretty much like "why exactly?" The other SS Officer said the same thing.
You can tell the officer calmed down and didn’t want to kill her but had to follow orders. The other officers were watching too but no one was able to say something because what if they get into trouble if they show mercy or any company?! Unfortunately a lot of situations like that happened and the movie shows why and how those terrible things happened.
i wonder how many takes it needed to show her in disbelief and fear recognizing, that her time has come, and her strategy to survive revealed as bad as it was..
I know this might sound crazy, but that twitch after the shot is how it looks like in a real life, when bullet goes directly through the cortex. The brain, or what is left of it, is still trying to resuscitate itself. You to have samething similar when falling asleep. terrifyingly accurate.
I’m sure it’s already been said but it’s such a surreal moment that in the midst of all the death and chaos in the camp he takes a step back and tells her he doesn’t want to give her a cold. Something as mundane and dare I say “human” from such a monster that literally killed people for the hell of it.
I get the sense that it was just a power play, not to show care or concern, but to further debase her. He doesn't want to give her a cold, meanwhile she's shivering with rags on.
I LOVE Helen Hiirsch!!!! Kudos to the INCREDIBLY talented Sir Spielberg for as far as I'm concerned the best movie EVER MADE! And how important & thought provoking this film is. Let NONE of us EVER forget
@@dangeroreilly2028 It was the way she accousted him; the panic, flinging arms around. If she had quietly said "I have some concerns for the foundation...or could I ask you opinion on this matter...." She annoyed me, and as he was trigger happy, well. Recent graduates need to keep their heads down.
Just imagine, single fire and whole chapter ends. Her mother kept her in womb for 9 months, she grew up got education met different people, running different thoughts in mind and a single boom, darkness
Great scene. Some folks talk here about monsters. Now I want to tell you something. I don´t think demonizing the killers serves any purpose. He was like that because he had the opportunity and could do it. Most genosides and atrocities are not done by monsters but by ordinary men. Afterwards, if they survive, you will see them as happily smiling fathers and grandpa´s.
They had been taught to hate with impunity by Goebbels and Hitler. Those who wrote the script for the Holocaust are the true villains of the tale. Those who told people that all their problems in life are caused by this minority religion. We all have a dark side and it usually remains repressed. Yet we seek "whipping boys" to take out our petty frustrations in life; it seems to be human nature. It's frightening what can happen when society gets a license to scapegoat a certain _type._
Look up Milgram effect. It was because of this that they later did experiments to try and understand how they were able to get so many normal people to behave in such an atrocious manner. The Milgram effect was what they came up with....
Amon Goeth "I don't want to give you my cold." Also Amon Goeth "shoot her!" Weird how he cares about giving a prisoner a cold but has no qualms about killing one right on the spot.
Mary Riviezzo yes the irony of his behaviour is scary and typical of psychopaths. One rule for one, another rule for another. But the difference is he is attracted to Helen and so is treating her differently, she gives him 'pleasure'. He has no attraction to the engineer hence why he can easily dispose of her.
@@glen7318 The young engineer should have kept quiet, not boasting about her qualifications and obvious superiority over her captives. Helen survived because she kept quiet and subservient.
Ralph Fiennes...after I saw this movie and heard his casting as Voldemort in Harry Potter, I smiled knowing it would be done well. He embodied the contradiction and evil of Amon so well...its beyond chilling. I've only had the stomach to watch this movie all the way through twice.
@@mijkosnook7787 It was a little, but at least RF had great fun doing it. He also raised his profile with a whole new generation of fans and made a ton of money. The executive producers of the Potter franchise actively sought Ralph for the role as Voldemort; they described him as their first and only choice for it.
He was so convincing in this film that you really hate him - now that's a good actor. Don't know if he was nominated for an award but he should have got one. His performance is extraordinary.
“I don’t want to give you my cold” It’s almost like his way of minimizing the mass inhumanity that’s occurring is by demonstrating common courtesies. As if to pretend they’re still in polite society and that the last thing he wants to be is indecent or inconsiderate.
Ray Fiennes portrayal of this man shook me to the core..I vividly remember walking out of the theater and everyone I could see was just crying and sobbing .... I've never been able to watch it again...
he did such a good job portraying absolute indifference to other humans. trust me, he hit the nail on the head. i know pure psychopaths, & he hit the nail on the head. its like he was born absent any human influence, & views people as a piece of paper, or a fly. its something that sticks with you when you see it in real life. even jeffery dahlmer had morals, im talking about absent morals, none. zero care or regret for cruelty.
@@sednafloating7027 It's a misconception. The black SS uniform was designed by SS members Walter Heck and Karl Diebitsch. Higo Boss was simply one of three companies to manufacture the uniforms.
This character was brought back to life in every aspect by Ralph Feines... He's one of the most amazing actors and after watching his performance as Amon, I'm in love with his work
There is one thing that touch me and make me feel so bad about this scene. The eyes of the actress who plays Helen hirsch. You can see the fear and the pain in her eyes!!
"Her commendant, i'm only trying to do my job.- Yeah, I'm doing mine..." I think most of you misunderstood that scene. Of course he was a psyhopath but in that moment he was driven by pure logic. Why? Because Goeth task was not to build perfect barrack... His job was to exterminate jewish nation and you do that by elimination of its elites in first place. When the engeener girl was pure example of that. Young, educated, inteligent and brave to face him so straightly. She was shining hope of her peoples for the future. Her mistake was to realize that so crearly to Amon. Then he hit like eagle his pray point precisely as thats was his sole purpose. Another logical thing was to do as she said...
Yep, good point. Could you imagine her fellow prisoners watching on seeing her arguing with her captors, and then seeing her going up to the Commandant and speak to him like an equal. He wasn't going to stand for that. If she lived, she would serve as an example for the others to follow. Also being the new Commandant he was drawing the line.
"We are not going to argue with these people." Her mistake was in speaking to her captors as if they were all equals and colleagues. Goeth couldn't have that, and he made a public example of her.
"During his trial Goeth displayed provocative indifference. He accepted responsibility for what happened at Plaszow. He had been given authority and permission to do everything he had done, he said, and was only carrying out orders and instructions received from his superiors. He also contended that the penalties he was inflicting upon the inmates including putting them to death, were within his disciplinary jurisdiction as commandant of the camp, and were in accordance with the German regulations in force". (ref auschwitz.dk). Basically the job description was "pyschopaths need only to apply".
Ok look at the way goth eyes Helen even before deciding to choose her, he is instantly smitten by her , unfortunately since he is a murderer and psycho without empathy it’s bad news for Helen 😔😔😔😔😔
Goeth as a character is very complex and original. He is not that typical type of villains like Joffrey or Ramsey Bolton whose evilness is like their halo and they flaunt it like a weapon to bolster their ego and to maintain that delusion as being powerful cause that halo crushes over other people psychologically. Every fiber of his being as a human is esoteric. His emotions, motivations and beliefs are hidden and unpredictable. And his eyesights are very hard to read. The creepiest part of this man is that his evilness is an introvert.
"One of you is a very lucky girl..." I watched a documentary on the girl as an older adult. She was TERRIFIED continually and abused while slaving in his house.
@Katarina Love learn some history, America ended slavery. Never been done before. If it wasn't for white Christians and western culture, slavery would still exist, as it had since the beginning. Every race is guilty of keeping slaves. We ended it.
@Katarina Love No, nothing close to slavery in America. (OR, to be somewhat fair, like slavery in Brazil, which was considerably worse.) Even the worst slave owner wanted to keep a young, healthy slave alive. A healthy slave mean profit. Men like Amon Goeth wanted to starve and murder their slaves, profit be damned.
@@vladimirputin8285 It means that it is a terrifyifying insight that there is a piece of Amon Goeth in all of us, and all we need is someone or some group to tell us it's the right thing to do.
Why is that funny? The nazi bastard was trying to state that jews were communists because karl marx supposedly "ruined" germany, thats not funny thats antisemitic
Left out the most important part. After shooting the engineer he orders the builders to do what she recommended.
Without love or natural affection towards people. Amazing.
Psycopath. An amazing hypocrite. @@tonnemiezsek8023
He probably just wanted to kill someone, remember this guy is crazy as fuck
I will never get how they can make this shit look so real
Yup.
My God. How Ralph did not win the Oscar for this role is beyond me. The accent, the demeanor, the body language, the ice-cold, expressionless look in his eyes, he NAILED the role as this evil monster, SS Kommandant Amon Goeth. I both hate and am terrified of his character. Absolutely sublime acting.
PiscesGirl The Oscars back then was sort of still credible but the competition was surely tough. But Ralph not winning the Besr Supporting Actor is beyond me. Unbelievable!
I heard even of the survivors was shocked how alike he looked in this role.
He is one of the best actors ever.
If you have seen pictures of Amon Goethe -- he looks nothing like Ralph Fiennes in this character -- but I am sure that his ice cold demeanor is pretty much spot on.
@@martheresa7550 His own daughter, Monika, said she was floored when she saw the movie, the car scene with RF whining about the cold, his first appearance in the movie. She said it WAS her father.
I find it so interesting that he cared not to "give his cold" to Helen, but then 45 seconds later orders the death of another, Brilliant acting
Even the most evil person alive isn't evil *all* the time
You think it's about him "caring", nope it's manners that are important to himself. It the same reason why someone would eat in a proper manner at a table and not like a swine, it's important to how he views himself, not about how he is viewed by others or in the same sense caring about others.
he needs her alive to clean his house, duh
@@shaunsteele8244 Yeah, doesn’t want her blowing her nose over his laundry.
Well, he's obviously attracted to Helen and not to the engineer. There's that. But Goeth's order of killing the engineer in front of Helen also warns her what will happen to her if she "steps out of line."
After execution: "Do it what she said"... such a monster, such a perfect acting by Ralph Fiennes. Deserved an Oscar.
look up who directed this movie ;)
@@soundofeighthooves Someone with emotional connections to the horrors commited by the facists nazis. Yes.
*Fiennes
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He didnt disagree with her professional opinion
He disagreed with her even being a professional or even having an opinion...she was a subhuman in his eyes
The Engineer died for four reasons:
1) She wounded Goeth's ego when she dared approach him casually and talk to him without cowering in fear, as if they were equals.
2) She told him her education, which was higher than his, and thus made him feel stupid.
3) She pointed out an error in a building being constructed in his camp, thus making him look weak, and threatening his control in his own personal kingdom.
4) She did all this in front of his subordinates, his prisoners, and his new "maid," compounding the blows to his ego 10 fold.
This is because Goeth was a pure narcissistic sociopath. These narcissistic injuries she inflected - because she was a sane person who had never been the victim of a narc sociopath and so was unable to instinctively think like a narc - threatened his control, so he killed her to punish her and re-establish dominance and control over everyone else.
She might have survived had she gone to one of the lesser supervisors and told them what needed to be done.
She died for one reason only - the Nazis wanted her dead. "This is because Goeth was a pure narcissistic sociopath."
That's pretty much it.
There was little to no reason for being killed at any particular time other than that's what they were going to do then or later.
@@patrickelliott-brennan8960 Mesmer overexplained it, but the Engineer was dead the moment she raised her voice and drew attention to herself. It's like boot camp - the nail that sticks out gets hammered down. They didn't want "educated Jews," they wanted mindless automatons that did what they were told until they had no more use of them. If she'd been allowed to live, she'd have become a figurehead to rally around and behind.
Actually no, he had to hold an image. It had nothing to do with education level. She saw a potential to gain favor and position by ability. Whole point of what he did was to save as many as he could without breaking character. She threatened that goal entirely. Plus he needed to send a message to the new maid. That his act of kindness was not without its immediate limits. There is a scene of a woman who slacks off which he kills. This was done because she adhere to his words. Work and you’ll live as long as I can let you essentially.
Ah yes. Someone telling him his engineer messed up causes him to lose dominance….
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You are 100% correct.
Notice how Amon stops right in front of her the first time he walks past them. He had already made up his mind but knew that he had a conflict in him (such a great performance by Mr. Fiennes here).
Love the way he looks straight at her when asking the question and immediately makes an excuse
I think that has more to do with camera framing for this scene more than with any foreshadowing.
The frame introduces us to the 2 main subjects in this scene (Amon and Helen) so that we can begin concentrating on Helen from the very beginning.
Theres 2 things that actually make Goethe choose Helen:
1) Her Obedience.
He says he doesnt want somebody elses maid because they arent *his* maid. He tests Helen by purposely making her repeat her name to see how she takes orders and to guage her temperament...he uses his cold as a disguise. She is obedient and even tempered.
2) He checks her vulnerability.
He exposes her body and she never covers herself up again. Her hands are trembling but everyone else is standing just fine...shes not cold, shes afraid and Goethe is a master at sensing fear.
She was emotionally vulnerable and obedient...meaning she could be *his* so he took her.
He was very infatuated with Helen
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I think you’re reading into this scene a bit too much.
@@mas3ymd I thought It was very interesting lol
Very complex and dangerous figure. On one hand, he doesn't want to pass his cold onto another person. Then casually orders the execution of another.
Very insightful. My interpretation is that Ralph Fiennes' Amon Goeth is a representation of confliction of morality within the Nazis. He's the opposite polarity of Schindler, one that forsook ethics for duty.
He doesn't want his workers sick because they are still useful to him. When he wants someone to be executed though, it's because he doesn't want to use them anymore.
Carl Klein you do know this whole movie is based on a book that is fiction dont you? These types of characters are hollywood cutouts
No, this movie and the book are based on facts. Amon Göth is a real psychopath and a real person. He personally killed about 500 people
He simply did not want spoil his future rape victim
The fact he chose the villa right beside the camp is disturbing. He didnt even want a break from the horror when he was at home
keenumman1 the real vila wasn't so close to the camp
villa was not near camp
All the Nazis were living beside the camp.
@@M.Đ-z4u With a Sniper Rifle you don't need be close to the Camp.
@@sonyx4500 camp was not in his sight
2:25 the way she looked in their faces after he said to shoot her... so heartbreaking.
She was desperately looking for anyone who might help her.
@@Spacegoat92 who could in fact? they might end up killed too
They even looked like they didn't want to. They looked at Amon like "seriously? She's just trying to help..."
@@John-sr2hr even the other officer tried to pull her away from the scene without killing her until Amon told him to do it on the spot
@@minhbumpsthat’s what he was doing? I assumed he was gonna shoot her where he was leading her to
Amazing actor.I don't understand why he didn't get Oscar for this role and English patent too.
Valentina Zuzic agree awesome actor ,very talented !
who stood awake through the English Patient?
Bc he didn’t fuck Harvey Weinstein like Jennifer Lawrence
@@taroman7100 I did
Finnes and Neeson both deserved oscars
He went straight to Helen...he knew who he wanted to hire immediately.
Pausen Think The power of the penis is always stronger than racial hatred.
He actually made her have sex with him.
@@nodinitiative
You are weirdly amazing
Sure he did. He chose the only woman who did not bend upon him like the other ones. Typical choice for a kind of man like him. A very sexy one.
@@nodinitiative THE POWER OF BONERS
The lady actor who was shot did such a good job getting shot. The sudden seizing of the body was well acted
Didn't keep in the best part, where he says "Pull it down, you heard what she said".
Yes, that missing line really did put the cap on the scene. It showed that he knew she was right, but he ordered her murder anyway, just to prove a point.
*sums up humanity* really. People hate Islam but it was in fact muslims came up with science and equal rights a long time before democracy
What are you talking about? Greek democracy predates Muhammad by at least 2000 years. Greek Democracy included the ideas of equal rights and science.
Mhkail Reilly i'm talking about equal rights i know democracy was created before, i ain't denying it. I'm just saying it wasn't *EQUAL* between races, genders and ages. Look it up
True One but they came up with the concepts of equality long before Muhammad existed. And islam isn't any more equal.
...Take it down, repour it, rebuild it... Like she said.
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why this video left-out the cherry on top is beyond me.
Yeah
The indignation and innocence of the engineer is so real
She WAS trying to do her job correctly from what she learned in university, never realizing what the animals that were the Nazis could do to her
So inhumane and; incredibly sad
Don't compare nazis to animals, animals are good, nazis are not even animals
@@angie.666
I use animals in that they don't possess empathy or understand morals and/ or ethics or like humans
Nazis were not human
She was trying to save her life anyways. If she said nothing, the structure would have collapsed, and she, the foreman, would have been punished for it. I don’t think she could have” won” no matter how things played out. But, you’re right. I don’t think she expected to be shot then and there.
Azov hi gitler🤣🤣🤣
@JohnnytNaturalThat's a childish generalisation that you cannot prove. Do grow up.
How did Ralph Fines not win 32 oscars for his performance. He was terrifying, he was a perfect horrendous human.
There's the sneaking suspicion that an award for so perfect a reenactment of a heinous monster was beyond the pale.
Cause Tommy Lee Jones won the Oscar that year for The Fugitive, lol, what?
@@jayvasq160 And in doing those "duties" he (and they if you must), have become monsters
Exactly, because knowing that such irredeamable character as evilness and brutality really existed and IRL was even far worse , the Academy couldn't give to Fiennes tthe Oscar, because it was like honoring the real evil instead of praising an awesome role by a talented actor
When people say stuff like this, do they not bother looking up who won instead? Usually when someone doesn't win an Oscar, it's because someone else did. Find out who before you complain about it
ralph fiennes sure nailed the character. I can not imagine how wicked the real amon goeth was.
The adult daughter of Amon Goeth was on set when this scene was filmed. She had only recently found out that her father had been a war criminal.
She must have been living on Mars if she didn't know that her father was a sadistic butcher, never mind a war criminal.
Poon Handler
You have to remember some German families were unaware of the atrocities being committed they were all feed propagandas that they weren't treating the Jews badly.
This movie is historically inaccurate just like your perception of National Socialists.
An actual survivor of the camp was brought onto set and introduced to Fiennes while he was still in costume in his full Nazi uniform and she broke down and started shaking uncontrollably because of how similar he looked to the real man
*backs up*
‘I don’t want to give you my cough’
Then proceeds to have the engineer summarily executed (in almost unbelievably realistic detail, including the huge reflex twitch throwing her on her side)
Amazing amazing film and script. And yes, Fiennes was robbed of an Oscar here.
Lesson learned. Always appear dumber than your captives, than your bosses, than your peers. Wait for the right time
jason can I quote you on that? amazing quote
totally agree
Exactly. You make your move when they least expect it, like quit when they most need you.
@@manictiger uh huh...you sure are tough
@@robione5627 Not at all. Quite the contrary. I know how dangerous people can be in groups. I see those antifa and BLM rioters blocking traffic and ripping people out of their vehicles and I take note. I can deal with up to 50 problems and that's just out of my pockets. Not the whimpy 9mm, but the big chunky 45s. If I were "strong", I'd just zap them all with lightning, but I'm not "strong". Wish I was. It'd be fun.
I always thought he had her shot, not only because she argued with them, but because they didn't believe Jews should be smarter than them. Its like he didn't order the builders to do what she said till she was already dead because he didn't want to let her know she was right
Evil even spelled in reverse is still evil - it is hopeless for some who live and are hell bent on evil. That's why Jews must fight back.
En parte tienes razon, pero el error de ella fue que se identifico, sino lo hubiera hecho tal vez lo termina, quiso imponer su criterio de construccion sin que Amon se lo preguntara, un error que le costo la vida....y el ordeno su muerte, y ordeno que tumbara todo y lo volvieran a construir como ella lo dijo....
@@okapmeinkap7311 evil spelt in reverse is live ?????
@@estherqin3080 metaphorically, not figuratively. Danke, mein spelling bee. Qin, Chinesische?
@@okapmeinkap7311 so living is evil? I'm not doubting you, I'm just asking you to expand on why evil spelt in reverse is evil metaphorically. Yes, Chinese but born in Australia
Hard to believe Embeth Davidtz who played Helen Hirsch, was also Miss Honey in Matilda. A versatile & very talented actress.
She also played Mark Darcy's snobbish fiancé in Bridget Jones.
It's a lose lose situation. On the one hand she gets shot for telling him what should be done. On the other hand, if she kept silent and the building falls, she will be shit anyway...
Tbh she won the situation, she got a quick painless death, more than what a lot of those other poor people got, being herded into a building to be burned or gassed alive or just straight starved to death.
@@krystalwithay8232 sad but so true. what is life.
Why should she care? Let it fall
I know this is totally, a off the subject,but the twin towers, jump off the building or burned alive is a fucked up option no matter what you choose
She was killed for her arrogance.
Ralph Fiennes was/is an English Shakespearean trained actor and based on the scenes in this movie must be one of if not the most talented actor in the world...he is amazing.
hot too
steve Fowler I'm female
bowler8 I kinda figured that out... :) BTW I looked at some of the historical youtube videos about Amon Goeth and it's amazing how much Ralph looks like him...apparently Goeth's daughter was on the set when Schindler's list was being filmed and she said she was overwhelmed when she saw Ralph in his uniform and immediately knew that was her father.
Ralph does look like the real Goeth up to a point; however, to me Ralph has a much softer and more genteel look--which IMO is actually what makes the character of Goeth so terrifying in the film.
Detectivefiction
She is the most passionate civil engineer I've seen in any movie.
Peter Griffin disapproves.
She was annoying and why she ended up dead
@@flavho Ik right.
@@flavho no
@@flavho based
"I don't want to give you my cold" - First Date
"Shoot her here, on my authority" - After Date
Two different woman
@@gfree4173 It's a joke
@@gfree4173 One man
You man second date
Because different sittuation.
On first situation, he looking for a woman that will be a part of his house. On secend situation the jude woman, prisoner, try to be cleaver than german officer.
Romans also treate they slaves as they own properti, killing them if they want, but also sometimes they adopt some of the slaves and make them free.
This is no contradiction.
The whole housekeeper relationship between Fiennes and Davidtz in Schindler’s List is any example of absolutely amazing acting. Fiennes cannot come to terms with the fact that he is physically attracted to a Jewish woman. The sense of dread and doom that Davidtz expresses in having to work with a coldblooded murderer like Amon Goeth is so powerful and strong in this movie. This is an example of superior acting that is rarely seen in the movies today.
"Fiennes cannot come to terms with the fact that he is physically attracted to a Jewish woman." This relationship is an invention of Steven Spielberg. Helen Jonas-Rosenzweig (her real name) said in an interview that none of this is true, Göth felt only hatred for the inmates.
No, this is love among enemies.
@@mausilugner6637 That may be true, but their relationship the way it’s written gives so much extra depth and tension/dread to what would otherwise be a stereotypical Nazi movie villain (which is no doubt how he probably was perceived by his victims and survivors) It makes the viewer question ‘if there’s a human in there’ after all.
@@doh4828 It would have been a lesser movie without it.
and Embeth Davidtz was also in Evil Dead ))
This scene always hit me hard. The absolute disregard for human life. It is incomprehensible what human beings are capable of doing to other human beings. This movie was so well done. I got chills from this scene every time I saw it.
Exactly, this disregard for human life was also seen during colonialism by the british and the french.
@@anwitmondal6417 Only them? The Russians killed of 20 million of their own people before the war had even started, let's not even start about Mao's Chinese killings... or the Native-American destruction by the United States. Numbers that outweigh the entire second world war!
@@anwitmondal6417 or the pakistanis against bangladesh.
Its because of the passive insanity of most of humanity. Yes he ordered her killed. Did anyone stand up to him? Why didnt they? People never stand up for what is right and thats what socipaths get power. The masses are always more powerful. But no one cares.
@@nryanmusic "People never stand up for what is right" People often enough stood up for what is right, it is just that ambitious people are more powerful and overall more clever - most people in modern society do not prefer to stand up unless it is too blatantly merciless as we are living decadent luxurious lives (compared to the rest of humanity's existence. Tough way of living breeds for tough men, and soft living breeds for soft men). The reason why Communism failed per example was simple: ambition. Corruption was rife in every rank and the leaders were always ambitious sociopaths (the ambitious good-hearted people were usually outplayed by those that are amoral/"evil"). It is true that good people need to band together more but most do not want to care as everyone has their own problems. The world is not idyllic, alas.
He fell in love with Helen but that embarrassed him
I wouldn't quite put it that way. People don't act the way he did to those they love.
He loved her
In real life he wasn't attracted to them physically according to the other Helena that was Amon's other maid
@EL GRECO 777 no he loved her
@EL GRECO 777 hey calm down
Helen Hirsch was of the few who could stare into the eyes of Goth. He feels uncomfortable thus he repeatedly looks away.
Im betting Goeth would be a shy awkward man if born in our era. He gives me the impression of a weak man granted great power and abusing it to boost his ego. Contrast him with Heydrich who really was a strong brave man even though utterly evil.
@G E T R E K T Some of them are certainly but attaining high rank does not mean a man is psychologically strong. And in any case I stand by my judgement of Goeth. He rose to power too quickly and mostly through connections. And his actions as a commandant most definitely do not correspond to a brave individual. Both in real life and in this movie. As I said if you want to see what an evil man with steel inside him looks like check out Heydrich.
1:14 The scared timid smile she does here breaks my heart
Ralph Feinnes was The man behind the monster!!! Goeth was a real monster...
Myles Hume ....not half the monster Karl Marx was.
You met the real one?
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Gotta say the actor killed his role
"Shoot her"
"Herr Kommandant,i'm only trying to do my job"
"YeA I'aM DoInG MiNe"
Damn you Goeth...
@Mazhar Imam what are u talkin' about?
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Shut up ! I love him. He is amazing
Her kommandant..and after talk in english... After actor kommandant use ever english... Bhoooo. If was used subtitles in all nationality was best
It will take more than that
I'm sure your right........
Referring to the engineer, the lesson is, know when to keep your mouth shut. If you pay attention to who’s in the position of power in the situation, and have noted they’ve already shown a tendency to be ruthless killers of anyone who opposes them or speaks out, being a loudmouthed hero isn’t going to get you anywhere but six feet under, so keep your silence. There’s a lesson for life in this scene.
It's a lesson for American corporate life too. Speak up in a public meeting about a mistake going on in a project and your boss will humiliate you in front of everyone and start a witch hunt until you quit.
At 1:29 you can just see the change in his eyes as he snapped out of a moment of lust for his enemy and reverted back to hatred.
One of the greatest roles in cinematic history. Absolute master class in acting from Ralph Fiennes, he mastered the hugely complex character that was Amom Goeth. The absolute cold, evil psychopathy of this character but occasionally in the film interspersed with traces of humanity, like when he said "I don't want to give you my cold" , perhaps a reminder of the better side of his character in earlier times which obviously during the war was totally submerged by his monstrosity. Liam Neillson was obviously brilliant as Schindler but for me Fiennes was the stand out acting performance in the film.
Putting the Engineer's face into the frame of the shot at 2:43 was perfect. Seeing the fear in her eyes right before she died.
I'd rather die than live that.
Decades of life, years of valuable education, gone in an instant by someone else's inhumanity.
Terrible avatar, trying to make a statement?
George Hamilton That's how death works
is it even worth doing something knowing u are gonna get clipped in 1 sec?
@@kerenton5897 You think I'm Jewish?
@@cosmobane6995 Not all death.
What, I can't hear... A terrifying character.
Aye, that is true enough.
psychoclownboy
Perhaps being a concentration camp commandant and a Ubtersturmfuhrer of the SS, making delivering extrajudicial capital punishment part of his work description could have something to do with that.
The real Amon Goeth used to walk in circles at his room because he was so eager to shoot the people from his balcony. The woman who worked as his housekeeper said this. I believe he was very restless, he was just good at hiding his very disturbed emotions behind a steel composure.
Spielberg did a great service to humanity in the making of this movie.
Pure Fiction lmao
@@alejandro6620 The mountains of evidence say otherwise. Oh but I'm sure all of it is "made up." Convenient. "Can't prove a negative" so you think that means you're right and everyone else is wrong. Typical mindset of the uneducated.
‘I don’t want to give you my cold’ is the banality of evil, he’s just going through the motions as a human, doing everything he thinks is right....and even when he says ‘yeah I’m doing mine’ in response to the woman saying she was doing her job, just people doing their job
They didn’t want the viewers to get too comfortable with his nice gesture so they followed it up with him being ruthless again.
Ralph Fiennes absolutely nailed this role. I have read a lot about real Amon Goth, and Fiennes surely showed us how evil Goth really was
One surviver describe him as "a beast"
Masterclass acting.
Notice how unawares to Helen she has power over him. When he first sees her there is a brief look of nervousness, and vulnerability, as he looks away and cannot face her. This is also why he apologises for coughing and no wanting her to catch his cold. He fell for her at first sight and probably killed the engineer as he did not want anyone looking more smarter than him as well as to flex his power and traumatise Helen into not trying to escape.
YES! Spot on!
This scene is epic. He chose the weakest link to be his housekeeper to feel more powerful and abuse for her lack of competency and fear.
I choose to see it another way, he specifically chose the woman who didn't raise her hand. She *wanted* to go back to the back-breaking labor and squalid conditions rather than be beholden to Amon. He chose the strongest link because he wanted to delight in getting to break her.
Actually no, he was saving what he could. He had to look the role. Hence why he says work if you want to live. Issue the girl made was she didn’t work. She questioned and tried to assert her self into higher authority. Leaving her live would break the victim mold mentality he needed to keep them focused. If they believed they could present ability to gain favor then the whole image of ruthless management of the prisoners would break. Then he would die and all of them.
I’m pretty sure he chose her because he was in to her.
He took a look at all the women in the line and made up his mind about Helen immediately and then he asked about the housework experience. He looked back at Helen and when she didn't raise her hand, he changed his story into not wanting experience anyway.
So he chose her based on attraction
@@SilverGreenEyes18 yeah he liked her the instant he met her so he amended the housekeeper questions to fit Helen getting chosen without looking too obvious, though he was incredibly obvious.
It's a real testament to Fienne's acting prowess that he was able to blow us all away in this role, and then in the same year, blow us away again with his character in "Quiz Show", a character that was the polar opposite of Amon Goeth. And of course his career ever since has proven over and over again that he's one of the best actors in the world. A genuine artist.
0:47 I'm not german nor an expert but that slight change when he says "undo" sounds so authentic
The moment Helen has to watch the execution is the moment she begins to truly fear Goeth.
This is the only scene we see Helen directly look him in the eyes - When he started lining up the women and picked her she of course was frightened (as she of course knew how the Nazis were), but when he then acted almost caring not wanting to give her his cold and asking her name, I think she had a short moment of ‚oh, maybe he’s not like the others here‘.
I noticed that at 1:17 they both have a moment of slightly smiling at each other - Helen’s is (no suprise) very forced and nervous, but she tries, and for the fragment of a second we also see Goeth look at her with a quite content expression, before he seemingly can’t bear the eye contact anymore and looks away.
And them two minutes later he ordered the execution of that poor architect and made Helen stand next to it, forced to watch.
The acting is truly superb in this
Embeth Davitz deserved a Supporting Actress Oscar Nomination for this film...
Plain and Simple.
2:28 Even the nazi officer who first had an argument with the Jewish engineer found Goeth's order to shoot the woman to be absurd, he probably didn't think it would escalate to that
Maybe he was pointing it out so Amon would not be able to blame him in later in case he wanted a scapegoat
Foreman engineers don't grow on trees
@@bailmccabe9089 Nah it was more to the point it was an absurd request. He didn't like her, obviously, but she was fulfilling a job not many people can do. It is a waste of resources and he was pretty much like "why exactly?" The other SS Officer said the same thing.
@@AnEruditeWolf A tyrant will always find a pretext for their tyranny!
Another tell of his psychopathy- putting the blame on the officer who started the argument so her death was on him.
You can tell the officer calmed down and didn’t want to kill her but had to follow orders. The other officers were watching too but no one was able to say something because what if they get into trouble if they show mercy or any company?! Unfortunately a lot of situations like that happened and the movie shows why and how those terrible things happened.
Well put , I have an idea if you opened your mouth once you'ed join your buddies at Stalingrad
That shot where they have the engineer stumble up close to the camera is absolutely brilliant. Textbook “show, don’t tell” drama
i wonder how many takes it needed to show her in disbelief and fear recognizing, that her time has come, and her strategy to survive revealed as bad as it was..
You can tell the sergeant didnt want to shoot her. When the order was given he turned to the others to say what the f*.
"Her kommandant, i'm just trying to do my job" "Ja, and i'm doing mine". Cruel, mad, but extremely rational... Underrated line.
Also, he believed to her. He was just casually looking for someone to kill, but, in fact, he valued she was right. Just an "ordinary" job question.
I would rather have a tea party with Voldemort than with Goeth.
I’d have to agree with you on that one
I know this might sound crazy, but that twitch after the shot is how it looks like in a real life, when bullet goes directly through the cortex. The brain, or what is left of it, is still trying to resuscitate itself. You to have samething similar when falling asleep. terrifyingly accurate.
3:04 The expression on the scharfurher's face: "Great, now my ears are going to be ringing the rest of the day."
Worst job interview in History.....
ahahah
lmao
Omg I feel bad for laughing
@@PerfectlyImperfect93 don't
😁😂
Fiennes performance was so real and evil the Oscar voters were scared to give him the award which he so richly deserved.
I’m sure it’s already been said but it’s such a surreal moment that in the midst of all the death and chaos in the camp he takes a step back and tells her he doesn’t want to give her a cold. Something as mundane and dare I say “human” from such a monster that literally killed people for the hell of it.
I get the sense that it was just a power play, not to show care or concern, but to further debase her. He doesn't want to give her a cold, meanwhile she's shivering with rags on.
lesson for everyone here, never look smarter than your bosses even if you are.
Good advice but unfortunately for me it's impossible to not look smarter than my boss.
It's not her boss...
I LOVE Helen Hiirsch!!!! Kudos to the INCREDIBLY talented Sir Spielberg for as far as I'm concerned the best movie EVER MADE! And how important & thought provoking this film is. Let NONE of us EVER forget
Let's not forget Embeth Davidtz for nailing Helen's constant fear and tension in such a raw and natural way.
Ralph Fiennes always plays the MOST evil of characters so masterfully. Voldemort from Harry Potter for example!!!
If I was that lady I would’ve kept my mouth shut. Done absolutely NOTHING to bring attention to myself and worked.
Right she thought she would stand out and get special treatment but it backfired.
But didn't they say she was foreman? Had the building turned out faulty she'd have been held responsible.
@@dangeroreilly2028 It was the way she accousted him; the panic, flinging arms around. If she had quietly said "I have some concerns for the foundation...or could I ask you opinion on this matter...." She annoyed me, and as he was trigger happy, well. Recent graduates need to keep their heads down.
There's people like this in today's society, who'd like to get the opportunity to be like him.
My law enforcement training captain was one of those people.
@@SeanPatric_Colwyn Oh yeah, got a story, have you?
me
Just imagine, single fire and whole chapter ends. Her mother kept her in womb for 9 months, she grew up got education met different people, running different thoughts in mind and a single boom, darkness
its a very bad time back then and its a war that shouldn't be happen
"And I'm just doing mine", he said. I feel like I've heard that explanation before.
Superb Ralph Fiennes: his character is utterly cold, ruthless & completely convincing.
Man I just love how anything he in u just see his Theater background His movements and speech is Poetry this man is a treasure
Great scene. Some folks talk here about monsters. Now I want to tell you something. I don´t think demonizing the killers serves any purpose. He was like that because he had the opportunity and could do it. Most genosides and atrocities are not done by monsters but by ordinary men. Afterwards, if they survive, you will see them as happily smiling fathers and grandpa´s.
They had been taught to hate with impunity by Goebbels and Hitler. Those who wrote the script for the Holocaust are the true villains of the tale. Those who told people that all their problems in life are caused by this minority religion. We all have a dark side and it usually remains repressed. Yet we seek "whipping boys" to take out our petty frustrations in life; it seems to be human nature. It's frightening what can happen when society gets a license to scapegoat a certain _type._
Look up Milgram effect. It was because of this that they later did experiments to try and understand how they were able to get so many normal people to behave in such an atrocious manner. The Milgram effect was what they came up with....
Amon Goeth "I don't want to give you my cold."
Also Amon Goeth "shoot her!"
Weird how he cares about giving a prisoner a cold but has no qualms about killing one right on the spot.
Mary Riviezzo yes the irony of his behaviour is scary and typical of psychopaths. One rule for one, another rule for another. But the difference is he is attracted to Helen and so is treating her differently, she gives him 'pleasure'. He has no attraction to the engineer hence why he can easily dispose of her.
@@greenkitty82 Even if he were attracted to the engineer, she crticised him and acted as if she knew better t han him.
Glen yes very true. Good point.
@@glen7318 The young engineer should have kept quiet, not boasting about her qualifications and obvious superiority over her captives. Helen survived because she kept quiet and subservient.
@@vivwalker5883 Won't help.
If the building collapsed later, she would be shot for incompetence.
Ralph Fiennes...after I saw this movie and heard his casting as Voldemort in Harry Potter, I smiled knowing it would be done well. He embodied the contradiction and evil of Amon so well...its beyond chilling. I've only had the stomach to watch this movie all the way through twice.
Its must be in his DNA
and yet Voldemort was a waste of his talents
@@mijkosnook7787 It was a little, but at least RF had great fun doing it. He also raised his profile with a whole new generation of fans and made a ton of money. The executive producers of the Potter franchise actively sought Ralph for the role as Voldemort; they described him as their first and only choice for it.
Ralph is brilliant in this movie. Horrible scene
He was so convincing in this film that you really hate him - now that's a good actor. Don't know if he was nominated for an award but he should have got one. His performance is extraordinary.
We are all capable of becoming Amon towards others if we are honest.
well if you include animals in "others" we are all like Amon because of the slaughterhouse
he has the most beautiful eyes!!!
Yeah hated his character but as an actor omg🥰 hahaha good thing he is just playing a role in this movie.
He is very handsome.
You should see his balls, fine pair of smooth criminals right there.
@@JokerScars69 what?
@@karlik4861 yesss???
Sunshine (1999) with Fiennes was another good drama. Fiennes played the opposite role as a Jew in that movie.
Too few people seem to know about SUNSHINE. It's an amazing film, and Fiennes is every bit as convincing playing a Jewish man as he is playing a Nazi.
He is Jew
His performance. My God. Just flawless. And his voice and the accent. Just a magnificent actor.
“I don’t want to give you my cold” It’s almost like his way of minimizing the mass inhumanity that’s occurring is by demonstrating common courtesies. As if to pretend they’re still in polite society and that the last thing he wants to be is indecent or inconsiderate.
Ray Fiennes portrayal of this man shook me to the core..I vividly remember walking out of the theater and everyone I could see was just crying and sobbing .... I've never been able to watch it again...
Except Jerry Seinfeld and his date.
Same. Easily the most disturbing film ever made.
Because it showcases the depravity of the human race.
Ecclesiastes 7:29 and 9:3.
The way she looked at them when he told her "shoot her" it was so real
Ralph Fiennes was legendary in this movie.
Ralph Fiennes the most talented actor in my view !
skip michaels he's up there with Daniel-Day Lewis, Robert De Niro and Al Pacino. Dicaprio also I think. Amazing actors.
Yes,I agree!Ralph is the most talented actor in history of cinema!..💯👍👌..He is the master!!!🌟👏
he did such a good job portraying absolute indifference to other humans. trust me, he hit the nail on the head. i know pure psychopaths, & he hit the nail on the head. its like he was born absent any human influence, & views people as a piece of paper, or a fly. its something that sticks with you when you see it in real life. even jeffery dahlmer had morals, im talking about absent morals, none. zero care or regret for cruelty.
Those SS Uniforms, Perfect! Down to the last detail! I absolutely love the accuracy?!
hugo boSS, sir.
Take the Soviet ones - they look like they were made of potato sacks. Then it's not hard to chose sides )
@@sednafloating7027 Donde se podra comprar a la medida un uniforme de la SS, ya que hugo boss murio y claro su fabrica no lo hace tampoco....
@@sednafloating7027 It's a misconception. The black SS uniform was designed by SS members Walter Heck and Karl Diebitsch. Higo Boss was simply one of three companies to manufacture the uniforms.
This film really makes you hate the Nazis. Amon Geoth was worse in real life - he had people torn apart by his dogs.
Really?!
The devil looks like this. No horns no pitchfork. He looks human and he is
This character was brought back to life in every aspect by Ralph Feines... He's one of the most amazing actors and after watching his performance as Amon, I'm in love with his work
Wrong. For example Amon Goeth was fat.
@@MrCmon113 if u didn't notice, he did gain weight around his waistline... U need to look closer, or read more about amon goeth
There is one thing that touch me and make me feel so bad about this scene. The eyes of the actress who plays Helen hirsch. You can see the fear and the pain in her eyes!!
0:54 he steps back and 1:37 he extends his cup displays he didn't want to give anyone the cold. Brilliant directing.
Amon Goeth was two trips and a half. He doesn't want to give her his cold but he doesn't mind smoking in her face.
and killing someone just because... because!
I think smoking in her face has a different meaning
Not to mention this was WWII. The world didn't know the full dangers of Tobacco back then.
Amon Goeth was a deeply complex and disturbed man. Ralph Fiennes was spot on with his portrayal
You know him personaly?
The sucker got his in the end! They caught him and strung him up! I'm glad!
"Her commendant, i'm only trying to do my job.- Yeah, I'm doing mine..."
I think most of you misunderstood that scene. Of course he was a psyhopath but in that moment he was driven by pure logic. Why? Because Goeth task was not to build perfect barrack... His job was to exterminate jewish nation and you do that by elimination of its elites in first place. When the engeener girl was pure example of that. Young, educated, inteligent and brave to face him so straightly. She was shining hope of her peoples for the future. Her mistake was to realize that so crearly to Amon. Then he hit like eagle his pray point precisely as thats was his sole purpose.
Another logical thing was to do as she said...
Yep, good point. Could you imagine her fellow prisoners watching on seeing her arguing with her captors, and then seeing her going up to the Commandant and speak to him like an equal. He wasn't going to stand for that. If she lived, she would serve as an example for the others to follow. Also being the new Commandant he was drawing the line.
Good interpretation
"We are not going to argue with these people." Her mistake was in speaking to her captors as if they were all equals and colleagues. Goeth couldn't have that, and he made a public example of her.
"During his trial Goeth displayed provocative indifference. He accepted responsibility for what happened at Plaszow. He had been given authority and permission to do everything he had done, he said, and was only carrying out orders and instructions received from his superiors. He also contended that the penalties he was inflicting upon the inmates including putting them to death, were within his disciplinary jurisdiction as commandant of the camp, and were in accordance with the German regulations in force". (ref auschwitz.dk). Basically the job description was "pyschopaths need only to apply".
Ok look at the way goth eyes Helen even before deciding to choose her, he is instantly smitten by her , unfortunately since he is a murderer and psycho without empathy it’s bad news for Helen 😔😔😔😔😔
The look at 1:17-1:18 is so subtle but conveys so much. Brilliant acting. He is attracted to her
Goeth as a character is very complex and original. He is not that typical type of villains like Joffrey or Ramsey Bolton whose evilness is like their halo and they flaunt it like a weapon to bolster their ego and to maintain that delusion as being powerful cause that halo crushes over other people psychologically. Every fiber of his being as a human is esoteric. His emotions, motivations and beliefs are hidden and unpredictable. And his eyesights are very hard to read. The creepiest part of this man is that his evilness is an introvert.
Not sure if he's actually like that
He IS like that
"It will take more than that"
She went like a champ.
And his dismissive "I'm sure it will" as they summarily execute her. He's too cold to even admire her courage and defiance.
“I don’t want to give you my cough”
What a gentleman
"One of you is a very lucky girl..." I watched a documentary on the girl as an older adult. She was TERRIFIED continually and abused while slaving in his house.
Pavel's Mom she was only “lucky” because she had scraps to eat and warm place to live other than that it’s was true terror constantly
@Katarina Love learn some history, America ended slavery. Never been done before. If it wasn't for white Christians and western culture, slavery would still exist, as it had since the beginning. Every race is guilty of keeping slaves. We ended it.
I'd be terrified too having to work for someone like him, knowing he could shoot me anytime for no reason. Just because he wanted to.
@Katarina Love No, nothing close to slavery in America. (OR, to be somewhat fair, like slavery in Brazil, which was considerably worse.)
Even the worst slave owner wanted to keep a young, healthy slave alive. A healthy slave mean profit. Men like Amon Goeth wanted to starve and murder their slaves, profit be damned.
@sld1776
Don't lie. Slavery was worse in the USA than in Brazil or in any other part of Latin America.
Voldermort is so handsome😂
there's a piece of Amon Goeth in all of us. All we need is someone or some group to tell us it's the right thing to do.
This is the terrifying insight that escapes so many good people.
@@hamnchee what does that mean?
@@vladimirputin8285 It means that it is a terrifyifying insight that there is a piece of Amon Goeth in all of us, and all we need is someone or some group to tell us it's the right thing to do.
So you're saying all of us enjoy killing, torturing people?
Most of you guys eat meat with more non-chalance than Goeth displays when he murders someone.
Engineer Forman: we have to tear it down and do it again
Amon: so you have chosen death
"ah an educated jew, like karl marx himself" 😂
uncle trash U think this is funny?
Riplol Justforfu it is hysterical
Riplol Justforfu kinda, she was a smart ass flapping her lips on how special she was
uncle trash So because of that she deserved to be shot?? Okay cool
Why is that funny? The nazi bastard was trying to state that jews were communists because karl marx supposedly "ruined" germany, thats not funny thats antisemitic