Why I Don't Play Black Desert Online.
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- Opinion piece on why I don't play Black Desert Online.
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BDO was the loneliest MMO I have ever played.
I never felt like I was playing with friends, but instead just next to them.
E Kö very true..
yeah, doesn't help that it doesn't have any dungeon content or any support classes
BDO PVE is definitely that way, the game is honestly only made for PVP and that takes a long time to get to , especially at the stage that the game is at now
@@gutek150 so you can't grind through PVP and you need to grind forever to play it?
So whats a good friend focused mmo ?
BDO combat looks good, feels good. but when you actually try pvp, it sucks, server cant even track the player location, tons of desync.
Yeah the delay'd based netcode is absolute shit. Which is why when my friend wants to spar, my brain goes into auto-pilot mode because i know, neither of us gets the victory because of skill but pure luck, either due to not resisting a stun and rolling bad dice getting the 15 sec stun timer instead of the 0.3 second stun timer, or we just run in a straight line out of attacks then get warped back into them to die.
@@SuddenFool i completely disagree with what you say. While sometimes yes, the servers do play a role in who wins, if there is a skill gap it's VERY easy to see . I have stopped playing the game as it is more of a chore. Stuns only hit if you are using moves that don't protect you , and they last the same amount of time and not a roll dice. It's still by far more skill based pvp game than any other mmo i have played , but the game just becomes boring once you get the things that are considered "end game "
Yeah pretty much. All I see with duels are who can catch who in a dash first, and then get grabs/down atks. Rinse & repeat till dead.
Trash game. Would rather grind in ragnarok 2.
My issue with combat after looking past the cool visuals is that the combat system felt same-y on any given class after playing it for a while. You quickly find out whats optimal in terms of combos and you pretty much stick with that in every combat situation. I never got to endgame or pvp but just looking it up it seemed that you still only had one or two viable sequences for any combo after you land a hit.
Even though BDO has so many progression systems / skills that don't involve combat and you would just need to grind those out too. Anything that seemed like it'd be cool was just locked behind days if not weeks of grinding to just get an initial foothold. The game looks good and everything seems so complex but it just feels empty in the end.
When I started BDO, I immediately learned the hidden skill short distance teleportation at random intervals. Even I don't know where I would end up. So I ended up uninstalling.
Server in my country was so bad even with high speed internet.
BDO is the best awful game i've ever played. It looks amazing and is super fun but 50% of the game is just filler to support the RNG gear breaking systems and poor balance
And don't forget the terrible netcode combined with cheapo servers they use. Even if the "omg this combat system iz best eva" crowd had an argument, it would quickly fall apart when looking at the 60ms and above use case where whole classes like the Tamer lose the ability to connect their entire library of crowd control abilities, making them simple food for players with less than 60ms ping.
B&S has nice combat, great visuals, it does have buy to win aspects but you can play without them
@@kyotheman69 lol this is too vague. Can you play as in you can login? You can reach level cap? You can be the best in pvp/pve without spending any money?
Think that's the best way I've ever seen BDO described. "The best awful game."
Yeah the gameplay look amazing, but from playing the game i remember it feeling more like work than actual fun. We played it at a lan party for a day, we all said "yeah eayh we should continue this" but none of us ever did.
"MMO fans are kinda used to shitty combat so they don't really know what to expect" so true lmao
I play Mabinogi
"a battle of credit cards" I just love this quote
just said by guys who have no idea
And how many pets did you buy in order to exchange them to make them tier 5?
It's time to d-d-d-d-duel!!
@@TheZabinqp there is no T5 pet in the game, dont know why you should pay money for that. I play this game since 2 years with 2 friends of mine, we only got 1 cash costum from the pearl Shop for our looks, nothing more spent and we all got 3 T4 and 2 T3 from events, i am currently at 276 Kutum so i dont know why this is pay to win, its just rushing to win and if someonem likes to play this way i dont have a Problem with it.
@Joseph Kobatake it gives you tier 1 pets not the best tier, plus dont forget about outfits that give you some exp boost small but for money plus inventory plus weight limit, so if someone have a tons of money they dont hava to worry but people who dont they gona have to wait longer to get anywhere. Game shouldnt be your job to do it should be for fun
Playing BDO is like having a second job and mistress rolled in to one.
I play it to chill. Only gotten to lvl 61 and i got there by doing lifeskills. XD
Damn thats so accurate if u want to be competetive ;DDD I still like the game. For now its best. As Lineage 2 was. People just want everything easy and then drop it
@@siarthur
I find it highly unlikely you got to 61 on lifeskills seeing as you only level up through combat xp.
@Tohur
Is that a recent change, because it was never like that before.
@@razzyrazberries do you even play? Hahaha got to 60 via cooking too haha
He vastly understated how much you can spend on this game and how restrictive trade is.
I play this game super-casual just for the combat. It's fun, and there's a lot of cool ideas in there. Unfortunately BDO will forever be held back by the fact every aspect of the game is designed to lead you back into the cash shop.
A shame, because I really think BDO could have been one of the best MMOs ever in the right hands.
Tbis game is far from pay to win 😅😅😅😅
@@Coroxx i just started on ps4. Why do people think its pay to win?
Don't lie to him. Pets are required if you actually want to loot anything and make money in anything approaching a reasonable manner. Try looting every enemy you kill one-by-one before their bodies vanish (you can't) and let me know how that works out for you.
As far as the game being P2W...I said, "every aspect of the game is designed to lead you back into the cash shop."...and it is. That's just facts. No, you can't buy a max level character (I'm pretty sure no one has ever made that claim to begin with), but you want to loot? Grind? Lifeskill? Upgrade/Repair your gear? Unequip crystals from gear? Train your horse? etc? Please believe it'll have the most ass-backwards implementation possible just so they can sell you a solution in the Pearl Shop.
I like the game too, but let's be honest about what it is.
@@Xero_Kaiser lazy crybaby like you are the reason why no company want to invest on mmo in the west.
Not just that, gear dictates your day to day pvp too. If it weren't for that I'd still be playing
What do you mean play bdo? I thought it was a character creator program.
@@HyouVizer i don't like mmos where you are stuck with a character. I would better like to create my own.
@@HyouVizer My main is a tamer that i created 2 years ago. It took me like a hour of experimenting but i completely created a non-asian looking tamer and its not hard (even the beauty album has non asian tamer models now)
(But yea she will be short)
that character creator is fuckin ridiculous. though the koreon trope of gender locking classes is annoying.
It's a fancy graphics heavy shit posting chat room as far as I can tell
@@HyouVizer that's because of lore and story.
Because its one of the few mmos that feels like you make zero progress no matter how much you grind
lolwut
I think you might be doing something wrong.
Game is different now than it was say a year ago. You can literally just purchase all of your gear without enhancing a single bit.
@@checknow1235163 gl buying all your gear without enhancing at all. you wouldnt be able to grind for any silver without enhancing. sure u can buy your gear but you will still most likely enhance all ure gear to duo or tri, then buy your accessories and tet or pen weapons
The Krazy Gamer if you thought about it you would understand what i mean, you can buy all the hard to enhance gear such as tet boss and tet accessories.
@@checknow1235163 ok but someone still has to do the enhancing for that gear to go up. it all depends how u want to play the game be it buying your gear or self making it. pretty obv if ure just buying gear ure not gunna have a sense of self progression as opposed to trying to make your own gear and feeling rewarded in doing so. different strokes for different folks.
I would live on this game if they had better pve content and reworked the upgrade system
This. I used to play BDO alot but when I got to the end-game, I got bored and stopped playing.
Totally agree with you.
And pet system
Took the words out of my mouth
WTF? sailing, fishing, trading, crafting, horse breeding, farming, housing, hunting, world bosses and dark rifts. is that not enough for you?
I think most of Asian player love grinding.. but i think they mostly forget the important one 😅
Party System / interaction with player
Improtant one=Your Job... Ohh but not in Korea
It's insane how rare an MMO with party-assigned quests is. Champions of Regnum gave quests to the entire party so you could do it together. Unfortunately the game was pretty bad imo
meanwhile I am one of those people who just want a single player game like BDO.. without the other players breaking my immersion.
@@janinmarquez-medina6265 I kind of agree with you there.. I hate being in such an immersive world and then seeing some outlandish / slutty outfit wearing person run by... With all the character's sliders maxed out so they look as ridiculous as possible.
@@janinmarquez-medina6265 I don't know, seeing the ports filled with ships, other people sailing, the horse of another adventurer awaiting its master out in the wild... It gives the world that feeling of a living, breathing world.
Players: so does this run on a p2w cash shop , Buy2play or Subscription based ?
BDO: Yes.
Players: ...
BDO: also, you need to grind 64h a week.
And what about the fun? There something that is not grindy that make you feel better?
What is the story of BDO anyway?
@@danielscutaru6682
The combat is fun, it's just overshadowed by the pay wall and grind.
Martin Sekeres
Try again with a different character without a gearset, then tell me if there really isnt a paywall.
Besides, it is pretty much a paid game, so there technically is a paywall even without the micro transactions... It’s just more notable since despite being a game that you have to buy, it has about as many paid content as f2p korean mmos, many of which are essential to a decent gameplay experience.
With a fair allowance you could afford it, but it requires so much money in the long run, that you could buy a new game console + a couple of games with it.
@Martin Sekeres "Literally have 14,000 hours played.."
and you have one gear set.
😂👌
Funny how I got back to BDO 2 days ago after almost a year out of the game. Even though I hate with a fiery pation the P2W crap in the game, it doesn't affect me whatsoever because I'm a very casual player that only likes exploring , trading and gathering
but you will never catch up, doesn't matter how much you try though
@@kyotheman69 but he said he only likes exploring, trading and gathering... which isn't related with "catching up" at all lol
@@kyotheman69 thats like 99% of the games that you play. how likely are you going to reach grandmaster in overwatch? or challenger in league?
@@kyotheman69 is that a bad thing though? With a different mindset that is liberating, you can't catch up so you are free to do whatever the fuck you want at your own pace on your own time. While the uber competitive crowds spend hundreds of dollars to kill each other, a casual player can find the pleasures in other things in the game.
Visiting BDO can be fun, and learning the game's systems is interesting, for a little while. It's not a bad walking simulator.
I love BDO but it really promotes so many AFK things that at this point I get more joy out of only playing the game once a month to get all the return reward stuff.
*N.S*: so I've covered some good aspects of black desert online. Now on to the negative stuff
*Me*: watches timer to find out I'm only 3 minutes deep out of a 15 minutes video
The only 3 things BDO has going for it are the graphics, character customization and combat, the rest is really meh and locked behind a horrible RNG upgrade system that dictates your progression.
But god is the combat great. If only BDO had an actually good Dev/Publisher and wasn't tied to one of the worst and greediest shitbags in the scene.
Combat is fairly dull tbh, since the AI is so basic and there's no challenge. The combat system was never made for player versus player and it shows.
Immersion is its biggest strength.
Its funny because those 3 things are what I look for in an MMO. But BDO relies too much on monetization and grinding, even leaving your pc on for afk farming, and theres no visual gear progression for those who dont spend money in the game. Its lame
Oh and the gear upgrade system is rng mobile game garbo too lol
"Black desert Remastercard"
Maybe u never played p2w games
Haha I agree bdo is sooo p2w lol I spent over 1k I don't even play anymore
@@MonsteRNieR that's fucked literally waste of money and time
I have spent 13k in a phone game. So if bdo was a p2w game then ill be PEN in every gear but im still at pri and duo
@@xbb326 lmao
graphics are the real reason I keep casual-ing this game
It's not even that great compared to the stress it has on your hardware. This game literally fried my last graphics cards.
@@bayrock1337 it use gpu more than cpu
@@bayrock1337 get a better one. That's on you.
I have played BDO and i honestly thinl that Moonlight Blade has even better Graphics :D
@@astralaris8712 I just googled moonlight blade
I don't think it has better graphics. You made that up mate.
12:50 Great line, that's the first time I've ever heard of "battle of the credit cards." Good stuff.
Honestly, after playing the game for 2 and a half years, I see your point (crazy it took me this long LOL). I loved the game and I enjoyed it for the time I played, but it really is just an endless grind loop. I've hit 270ap and don't really need more to compete in high-end pvp, and I sometimes try to get myself to play, but I just can't. If it's not pvp, then what is it? I go run in circles in a room killing hp bags for a couple hours? no thanks, done that the past 2 years lmao. Even with every new expansion, it's just a re-skinning of more mobs to endlessly kill...
The combat is loads of fun imo, but I'd agree though that most hardcore players overhype how "complex" it is. It's mainly just an HD version of rock-paper-scissors, and sometimes rock loses to scissors if servers desync, which happens a lot...
just play eve online
This is super true unless you really like working with the node system and workers and just crafting or lifeskilling
This is probably the most accurate description of the game I've ever seen
Thanks man. I was actually just about to buy it on ps4 despite what I've been hearing. ( I like a grindy game) but hearing about the actual dynamics of it and how its just rinse and repeat with Reskins. I think I will spend my money else where
Exactly how I felt. I dreaded the grind but I felt that if I get to a certain point I can enjoy the game. Welp I hit 580gs and quickly realized how pointless it all is. You can only do so many BA/RBF before that gets boring and Nodewar/siege is a zerg fest. I had some fun on the journey but the destination was disappointing. As of June 16th, I blew all my gear up and have not looked back. Learned my lesson at least.
While I can understand your points you can play BDO an other way. Me and 3 of my friends only level together, never bought any microtransaction and still have fun because of the combat and graphics. If you are the kind of guy, who needs to be top tier, than yes, BDO is very bad. But if you just want to chill and kill some enemies in style it is very fun. Besides, it is possible to buy costumes with ingame money, which I did.
Why are you killing enemies if you're not trying to get stronger in pvp? You're literally accomplishing nothing. You're doing the equivalent of throwing sand around in a sand box and never actually building a castle.
I enjoy BDO from a solo perspective. Amazing graphics, immersions, love taking my time with it, and an Archer class exactly the way I want it to be in a game.
Being a casual solo player the negatives either don't reach me or the tradeoff doesn't burn me out.
RNG? Looting? Productivity? These are things usually serious or "competitive" players worry about. So purely from a personal perspective, I love this game.
Yea if you think about it, the game is more like pay to gamble, not win, so the huge amount of money you "pay" the game is just even out with your own RNG, you can spend money or time, its your call
Same here.
Really helps when you turn off player names, and pretend others are just NPCs. I love MMO's and playing with others, but for BDO I enjoyed treating it like a single player game even more for whatever reason.
I bought it for 99 cents from sale and im happy if it takes me years to "complete". For once you will really get your moneys worth :)
While I fully agree with the notion that BDO is extremely toxic in its monetisation and progression, and that you're better off not playing it, your assessment on its action combat is more than a little flawed. Yes, the game has a soft aim assist (which you can turn off if you don't like it) but projectiles ARE projectiles. You CAN react to and block them and counterattack, and there IS a tactical component in finding openings and baiting out defensive cooldowns. Whether or not you LIKE the combat system is definitely up to you but to dumb it down like that is a little unfair. The extreme number of dashes is just a stylistic thing, to push it more towards "anime" like combat than something more slow and deliberate like Mount and Blade. The biggest issue with the combat system that takes away from its skill is actually nothing to do with the combat system at all - it's the way gear dictates everything and the damage formulas/stat gains per RNG enhancement rank.
That said, the true reason BDO's combat system shines as the "best" in the genre is the motion capture animations and their fluidity and consistency in terms of how they affect your character's coordinates. Good combat animations need realistic footwork, and that means your character needs to move along with them. Games like GW2 let you swing, but your feet are completely detached from that action, allowing you to bunny hop sideways while swinging a sword forwards. This kind of animation is just anatomically wrong and players subconsciously pick up on that. The character model needs to move as a whole with each animation and BDO looks great because it does exactly that.
Now, if the combat system is the best in its presentation out of any MMOs out there but is "samey" in depth and intricacy - i.e. just as good - does that not elevate it to be the "best" MMORPG combat system so far? It's just too bad that the devs' vision is stacks of Korean Won bills instead of actually making the game have a fun gameplay loop.
I enjoyed the Combat, biggest problem is the monetization and how lonely it plays, and the eternal grind it gets to actually ever get to PvP, since that is the aspect that interest me most.
Don't get it why they don't just add a way to progress thru PvP, oh wait i know why, MONEY.
Sorry but BDO isnt the best MMO XD
Best mmo iv played. Wow, ffxiv, tera can't hold a candle to it. Bdo you actually have to have knowledge to play. I agree with your explaination of the combat. I just got my hashashin to 514 gs and his move set is just so fluid and fun.
I would love a game that took the combat and visuals of BDO and literally everything else from WOW (its questing, progression, community, etc.) and got rid of all the ptw systems of BDO. It would had been perfect.
Missiing Every aspect you pointed out about WoW is completely shit, specially questing and progression.
Matheus Gaeski Matheus Gaeski well from my experience, WOW’s questing has always felt above alot of the mmos ive played before. Its community is large and i dont think ill ever be worried about its servers being merged into one giant server. As for its progression, i just think its way better then the way bdo’s progression feels. Its all opinions though, you can choose to believe what you want to believe.
Well, every BDO region is its own server tho, and i doubt that they would merge due to pings. What does wow offer as progress in your opinions? For all i see is you strip the best gear from this expansion to get the next best set then repeat, is that correct?
Layz the Meof Yes, and I enjoy that, is that such a problem? Its just my opinion, i have no clue why people are trying to tell me what i like is wrong.
@@missiing9280 isnt that the point ? You dont ask for a rollercoaster ride from a sandbox, you do that in a themepark, its not because one is better than the other, its for different folk with different interest. I just hate it when ppl comparing BDO's "content" to the majority mmo these day thats mostly themepark mmo.
'Hmm. I wonder why I stopped playing BDO...' (5 minutes into the video) 'Oh yeah. That's why.'
I had the same feeling lol
lol
Because you have as poor of a grasp on the game as NS?
I cant be the only one who wants a new Jedi Knight :(
You aren't.
We all want a new Jedi Knight, buddy... *raises glass* To the good old days.
Your not alone man
I'm with you ever since I first finished Jedi Academy.
@@cattrucker8257 I literally just beat that game again last night. It's so old and yet it's still so good and of great quality.
I love the lifeskill aspect of BDO... you can also accumulate wealth that way and avoid grinding mostly. And then buy gears directly enhanced from the market...
he really did miss the entire aspect that the game has much more depth than :"being relevant in endgame pvp" but you're right. You could truly cook and sell your food for weeks then just buy endgame gear off the market, No need to get pets etc ad nauseam , also making the complaint that an MMO is full of busy work and grind, is about as effective as making a complaint that the ocean is full of water. The progression is the entire point, What BDo has done is allow ppl with jobs (money) to keep up with basement dwellers who used to dominate mmos b/c they had more time to invest. Now the playing field is equal , and thus it's "not fair" .
Even its not during fights
It still consider most activities in the game as grinding
Afk fishing, hunting etc
Its still grinding
This whole video was the definition of "strawman argument"
@@roonbare2769 that whole argument falls apart when you realize that basemend dwellers are the ones taking the most advantage of the cash shop
@@dumitrache12 The only thing that matters in cash shop are only value pack and pets, that's it. Anything else is optional, for better gears etc the RNG is your wall not the payment wall, and willingness to play is your hammer, not easy shortcut payment. Heck, even without that two you can still playing and having fun on avg level, because there is so many things you could do besides being competitive.
This game is like a stunning hot girl with a shallow mind and a gold digging attitude. You can have a lot of fun with her but eventually you will want to move on. And when looking back, you will remember her as a waste of time and money.
Hey man, this is deep. You touched my soul. :o
I couldn't have said it better.
but after a while, u start to miss here. U realize their is no other better girl. U try some, but its not the same. She still wants me to play with here so i came back.
@@connykomen4237 OUF I better play apex :P
This needs more likes!
"Other modifiers include shift, space, and tab"
Tab doesn't do anything except toggle you in/out of combat stance. You did, however, forget E, F, Q, Z, X, and hotkeys that can modify skills or combos.
What a way to miss the point completely
@@captainbodyshot2839 what point tell us
BDO- Best Korean Cashgrab ever made.
Except that it has 10 million players so obviously they are doing something right.
@@TheAcurapassion 10 millons players in their dreams maybe xD
all i do is autofish, sell fish, autofish sell fish. I literally do nothing else. LOL am i bad
Yeah, guilty...my warrior has 135 days since xbox release all autofishing...why do i even...haha!
Welcome to 30% of the playerbase lol
LOL that's also me. 1200 hours in and I've probably actually played for 50 hours, rests are auto fishing.
@@hjkfdsgh hahahaha
@@hjkfdsgh 700 hrs and counting. Less than 15 min total spent on a five quests. Lol up to lv 53 master 20 fishing.
The original team from Devcat (Nexon) responsible for making Vindictus had MUCH more grandiose ideas for their game but because of decisions passed down from upper management most of those ideas were scrapped or scaled WAY back. I'll give you ONE hint as to where the majority of that original team landed.
Where? It can't be BDO.
As always, the hierarchy doesn't know what they're doing and shouldn't be in this place, to begin with.
Blade and Soul?
I'm glad you have the balls to keep making these videos despite having the blind clueless fanboys spamming dislike, someone has to
I am pretty unimpressed by BDO overall, but your rationale here is.. odd. "If there's no physically accurate projectile aiming system, absent any form of aim assist, it's not action combat" is a really weird definition, which excludes all fighting games right off the bat, and plenty of others from a host of different genres. It lacks a feature that you personally like, but maybe that comes down more to your preference than anything about the quality of the system or what category it falls into... which is unquestionably, extremely obviously, action. You don't have to exalt your opinion to the status of genre-definitions or game design rules for it to be fair or valid.
Again, I don't even like the game - for all of its great animations and combos, there's just nothing to use them on because the game has no challenging or interesting content outside of PvP (which isn't challenging or interesting either, given that it's just an endless power grind to stomp people at slightly lower levels). I'm certainly not going to dump hundreds of dollars on it to try and catch up with people who've been grinding full-time for years, so it offers literally nothing to me. I'm actually kind of offended by what a shitty deal this game is, and predisposed to agree with a lot of negative opinions on it, but your reasoning here is a bit absurd.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I actually play BDO..and I'm pretty new, but I don't find myself falling behind. The life skills get you enough money to buy gear, and there's always events giving out free stuff. My friends joined last week and already has 2 characters at level 58 and nearlyaxed out gear. And he hasn't spent anything. The combat does get repetitive. But somebody who's level 60 doesn't automatically beat someone who's level 58. The game is more gear dependent than skill...and it's SUPER easy to get gear.
Aside from my rant...his explanation was felt biased towards his preferred playstyle.
@@christianrivera1708 That's the whole point of the video it is biased because it is why he doesnt play it.
@@skitz-dp4yb ya but he was saying things as if they were facts. Like physics based graphics make or break a game...it just doesn't make sense
@@christianrivera1708 shit serious? I can get 260 ap playing casually?
@@blahblahgdp Yes, and certainly these days. Life skills got a healthy buff lately, grinding also got a nice boost. Even playing casually and just planning out your gear 'path', you can hit 261 (This is a big ap bracket and gains you a nice AP bonus).
I played this game.
There's a lot of content to experience but get ready for the grindfest and stupid RNG.
For 2 months of playing it, I managed to get to the soft cap...I think it was around 53 when you awaken your character and have upgraded abilities and a subweapon.
What made me stay is the visuals, character customization, housing system and the "trade route" management minigame.
What made me leave is that you'll pretty much have your wallet as your subweapon once you get to higher levels. Although, you aren't forced to buy stuff but you will eventually decide to do so...until you know how much you would spend in this game.
The storyline is subpar and I can't understand what was going on. I can't wrap things around my head, no matter how I hard I read the dialogues and understand why, where and what I need to do a certain thing.
The combat is pretty enjoyable but gets really stale the longer you stay in the game.
What sealed my decision to leave is the forced PvP mode. I don't really like PvP and plus points for mentioning the unbalanced PvP combat mechanics in your vid. Although, you aren't punished for losing, it's just really annoying that someone hands over your ass while you mind your own business. You have relog, go to a different channel and walk your ass up again where you died.
looks good, untill u start moving and every texture pops in at 20 meters...
you get used to it in 20 hours of game play
It is most anyinjg thing from technical side imo but I got used to it and don't even see that anymore.
use a good ssd.
@@cosmicalsatyr7927 I got a good ssd sir
I am not getting used to it. Any game would be called utter shit for it. The fucking grass pops in, then trees and then people. Plus SSD, good GPU or CPU do jack shit to solve it.
All valid points. My friends jumped on BDO when it came out and they said they enjoyed it a lot buuuuuut when I said a while later that I was interested and might join them they had already jumped to Final Fantasy 14 and said starting BDO now would be nothing but suffering unless you plan on spending a LOT of money to get through the grind and have higher level characters for the open PVP.
FF14 is far better game, yes combat isn't action style, but main hook got me it feels like Final Fantasy game, the story is strong with this one I was really surprised from someone played almost every MMO came out the market really only FF14, WoW, B&S had a good story keep me invested, I was never huge pvp person so FF14 was total bliss because ARR or any expansion can take you days, weeks, even months to clear matters how much time you can play. Also not have to make alts is shock to me, you can learn every job in the game, only reason to make alts is for space so basically making "mule" i had no issues with space because i don't craft, this only aspect in game i don't care for but it does offer great things to people that do like crafting.
imo ff 14 is more expensive than bdo. ive spent 300 dollars on bdo and i have pretty much everything i would ever want and ive been playing since the start. to play ff 14 for the same time i would have to pay about 500 dollars on the monthly sub and thats not considering the base price and expansions
@@MrWizardjr9 Why would you be paying $500? If you are paying $15 monthly for a non-starter sub it amasses $180USD a year. I believe the figure drops to $155.88USD yearly if you buy more time in bulk.
A lot of his points in this video about the P2W aspect of the game are no longer true. And haven't ever really been true for the most part besides buying pets.
-Value packs are not worth buying and have never been worth buying, no player actually spends $20 a month for them because the buffs they give aren't very important. You get free ones for market collection.
- With the new marketplace that was added into the game a couple weeks ago, buying pearl pets and costumes can be done very easily without spending real money, you can now buy them with in-game money from other players. It's so easy in fact that all of my alt characters have their own costumes now.
- The only thing I'd honestly recommend a new player buy with real money is extra weight, and even that isn't particularly needed. It's just a quality of life thing. You can get a decent amount of max weight without spending real money.
So essentially, a lot of the things he says in this video about the game being P2W are just not true anymore.
Actually, the arguments for it being P4C & P2W still exist, are legitimate, and about to get a whole lot worse because of the new market. There are tons of outlines drawn up and drafted (old and new) showing this precisely in entirety, pertaining to BDO. Without going into great lengths, the CMP is saturated with items, more so now than it ever was, and with Pearl Shop items, allowing (temporary) rare item availability to anyone. Why? End game. Whats that going to push... Hex+ tier, item prices and progression caps to completely revamped, raised, yet again. Just like the Horse market. Why? End gear.... its easier to get because of the symbiosis between whale and grinder. So, everything must continue to get more difficult to obtain. More P4C & P2W PS items must be created and sold... because once nearly everyone has everything, revenue will decline. Rinse, repeat. Value packs, especially are still relevant, sadly, to not losing coin for in-game penny-pinch-ers, and whales who sell a lot and keep the momentum of supply and demand. Sure one does not need to spend beyond initial purchase to check it out, but to compete and partake in this game while the CMP and economy is becoming a bubble, ready to burst, is impossible. However, there are so many more points about this and it can go into much greater depth. If anyone is interested to know more. Simple, lengthy, web searches (ignoring fluff and toxicity) yield all anyone needs to know.
I kind of forgot BDO existed. I tend to just have my time taken over by FFXIV
@Monty Baconeater What's DAoC?
I'm playing FFXI. I couldn't stand 14 aka FF-fetch quest.
ESO *
especially when better MMO's exist, B&S is also buy to win as well, but it has far better combat system and story, sorry i think BDO combat is "meh" for action style
@@brandonjones5879 11 was garbage though, pure grind, i rather have actual story driven MMO style instead, most MMO's don't even have a good story or itsnone existent. I feel bad for you totally missing out FF14 is fantastic game
BDO has the most toxic players in any game I've ever seen. I started to realize I was changing my attitude towards people so I had to quit because of that.
Thats cause they are no lifers or whales. Pretty much societies rejects and i dont mean that in a cool way. I mean that in the most pathetic way.
@@Midgar88 yea dude i can't stand the community for the game its absurd.
great to point that out and I find it frustrating that I'm attracted to the aethetics of high fantasy rpgs that are only exclusively available on this very specific genre... and yet I absolutely hate the social aspect of it like chat box and every interaction with other players.. I'm sure many could relate. I can't stand to see meaningless hateful words being rambled all over my screen it's immersion breaking
the only way to cope with the mental pressure of this constant rambling is to start talking back and it deteriorates from there.. online games have always had that but our capacity is shrinking with current world events.. it promotes nothing but mutual violence to over talk or over interact with people even on video games
@@ActualDoomer dude I had my world chat, and server chat off when I had to play the game peacefully xD the fact that game's community is ridiculously toxic I had to stop playing because of my personality and my attitude was changing towards people I work with and what not. me coming back to the game is 2/10 chance if something new comes up like dungeons or raids. something like that.
i feel like mmos could be so much more than they are now, they’ve just stagnated since wow
MMOs have just been replaced by live service games that aren't MMOs, but basically mimic MMOs in every way.
@@AnArchyRulzz Except in being MMO, sadly, but many so called MMOs can`t get that right either.
Yeah, once devs finally got it past their thick skulls that being the next in the long line of "WoW killers" is The Worst Idea In the History of Gaming (TM) they decided that the "mini-mmo" online competitive deathmatch game is the better way to go. It's microtransaction ready with the same manipulative psychological feedback loop of mmo leveling in the match-based gameplay loop, but on a smaller scale with less than 1% of the necessary content compared to an MMO.
Hence why the MOBA, Hero Shooter and Battle Royale game became a thing.
The sad thing is that if someone really really actually wanted to make a good solid honest social MMO based on meaningful content, player socialization, heaven forbid actual honest to god ROLEPLAYING like back in the day... I mean, it's possible. It's possible even without a multimillion dollar budget, microtransactions, heck even a subscription!
But nobody does and there is no way any corporate studio, developer or publisher is ever going to do so again. I would only give it a snowballs chance of ever happening if it came out of an independent studio.
I'm hoping Chronicles Elyria will somehow save the genre. :(
There's 1 more thing worth adding to "why you shouldn't play BDO". nerdSlayer already mentioned grind, but there is also the "afk-grind" where you leave your PC running while you character does some bullshit. From my experience it's quite common in asian MMOs. It might not sound like huge deal, but the very second you get to the point where you justify running your PC 24h/week just to maximize some ingame currency, that's the moment you pretty much got stuck in addiction-web.
MrDeothor lol so true
Great point, and not only that you then have to consider the wear and tear on your computer and the increased yearly energy cost.
afk grind? your character kill mobs while you afk? is that a thing in bdo?
@@blitzcreak2728 My bad, farm would have been better word here. You are afk-fishing, which then you sell whatever your character got for cash :)|
Very popular in asian MMOs, utter bullshit though.
This is why I play Gw2.
In gw2, you go into the pvp mode and your gear stats don't affect your pvp attributes. It's a 5v5 mode and it has it's own build selector UI where you choose an amulet which dictates which direction you want your stats to go (do I want more damage and crits or more health and heals etc) then the weapons you have on dictate what skills you can use.
Then you have server vs server (WvW) pvp which has large zergs and you can play at any level though to be viable, you need to be max level (which can be attained in less than a week).
Most max level characters in gw2 will find it piss easy to get a set of exotic armour and as long as they aren't playing some obtuse build and know their class, they'll be fine. The Ascended and Legendary gear in the game is only like, a 5% advantage over exotics and a person with exotic gear can easily wreck a player with ascended.
Sure it's not action combat and it's tab targetting but you can activate an action camera which gives you a reticule and changes your target automatically depending on who you aim at, so it's basically action at this point.
In BDO you dash everywhere and try to get some combos off but in Gw2, you're thinking about when to dodge (you have limited dodge charges which slowly recharge in battle) and stuns, knocks, binds, stun breaks. Gw2 combat is far more complicated than BDO and if you use a program like ahk you can remap your hotkeys to make it play similarly to BDO with mouse button + keyboard combinations.
Plus, you buy Gw2 once and play it forever. Sure you have to buy expansions if you want new content but there's no monthly fee and many builds from before expansions compete with expansion builds. It's horizontal progression as well, meaning you don't go up, you unlock. You can log off now and come back a year later, sure balance patches might fuck your build up but you'll still be able to compete and jump right back into the action.
BDO is simply a shallow game which keeps asking you to borrow money and never returns it. Gw2 is that friend who you might not talk to for a few weeks but will be there in a heartbeat if you need him.
Nah
Gw2 combat is weaksauce compared to gw1
@@BunnyHoppin- Gw1 combat is complex but slow and boring as fuck.
Gw2 combat is more simple but much more fast paced and exciting.
problem with gw2 is that theres no progression. you easily get soft cap gear or max out then its just turns into a costume simulator.
@@cholmakai2625 Wrong, it has horizontal progression in terms of mastery.
The real fun with Gw2 is builds. Learn all classes, multiple builds on all characters, multiple builds per gamemode, multiple gamemodes.
Play Vindictus and you will know whats the true meaning of RNG
I loooove Vindictus still. Despite Nexon lmao I mained Staff Evie and bought sooooooo many cosmetic stuff haha
@@marcobrown1307 me too just blown 2 +14 braha scythe though rng is really bad in this game .
"Imagine playing quake but the only thing you do to move is jump up and down." Sweats nervously in speed run
Imagine playing sonic and you only Spin
Except for the main purchase I never spent a single cent in the game and I never ever grounded for longer than I had to to level up (all I did was to complete quests and make/sell items and weapons and horses). Everything from the pearl shop can, when people put it on the market, be bought for in game money.
I think you forgot the system about not being able to put the costumes in the market after using them
@@infantswithfirearms true, but they can still be bought off the market if they are unused . And ppl sell them often.
@@roonbare2769 "often" kappa
@@Rastei this isn't twitch TV . .....and ppl do literally sell them "often" . How else do you think they get all their pay to win silver ? Selling costumes and pets . Pre-order and you'll usually get it .
Yay for M&B fighting system mention! That ancient grandpa had been around for faaaar longer than this korean kid, and will stick for muuuch longer as well.
One major issue I have with BDO (and a lot of other mmorpgs i've tried lately) is that the RP part of the RPG is severely lacking. Players have remedied this in their own way by having an unofficial RP channel and guilds. There's house customization but most of it is locked behind a paywall and most of the furniture is just there for show, giving buffs completely unrelated to the enjoyment of designing a house. A lot of stuff on this open world map is just for show. It's like you're a ghost wandering around through a vast world that forgets you exist right after you're finished interacting with it, or a guest visiting a museum. Yes, you can "interact" with everything but it never reciprocates in ways that are emotionally satisfying. When you cut down a tree, it will look exactly the same as how you left it, only telling you that you collected items from it. While you skin an animal, it just disappears completely until it respawns again. When you go to a tavern, you can't just order a beer and idly drink it for show and then get any sort of "drunk" effect. Your own pets don't act like you exist and simply just follow you. You can "bond" with shopkeepers but you can't even bond with pets. There's not enough incentive to attack friendly NPCs, let alone players, to gain criminal status. It's like they had an idea of what to do with the karma concept and then gave up on it halfway through. All NPCs are trapped in the limbo of being assigned to their spot in an open world game, always walking through you and looping the same animation for eternity, repeating the same voice clips, regardless of how you act around them. A lot of the objectives this game offers you are just in soulless numbers like how much silver you end up gaining, or how high your score gets, but the content itself is extremely repetitive. Most new activities you try out in BDO are a reskin of a different activity. Sailing could've been a very immersive and unique group activity that I would recommend, but they made it so unapproachable, complicated, and honestly kind of boring.
This complaint doesn't mean I rate BDO lower than other MMORPGs. I've just yet to find an MMO that would give me the same giddy feeling I had as a kid playing stuff like WoW, Maplestory and Runescape. Maybe I'm just too old to enjoy these games anymore.
I wish someone would make an un-instanced vindictus :
I was hardcore year 1 but became very casual. I was leaning away from the game and only needed one more reason to really stop playing. For me that was when they flipped the finger to players and stopped giving 1 loyalty character slots when they released a class.
Greed got the better of them and other games earned my attention.
What??? You get 100 loyalty points every day you login, and each time you reach certain milestones (like 20 days played, etc.) you get even more, and you can use those for all sorts of things including purchasing character slots.
@@TheAcurapassion And?
Level 63 witch SEA Server here, agree with all you said. I hope i can go back last year telling myself not to play.
DO YOU AGREE THAT BDO COMBAT IS BAD. THIS GUY IS OUT OF HIS MIND. HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ACTION COMBAT MEANS AND REFERRED BDO AS TAP TARGET MMORPG. IM LOSING BRAINSHELLS
@@Jarmoust hes playing witch tho
@@Jarmoust Reading your full capped asnwer is making me lose brain cells.
@Dem Jashwell you dont know what good mmorpg means then
@Dem Jash 9 years old btw
I wish if Black Desert was a single Player game instead of online think of it as Neverwinter you don't have to play play with random players if you don't want to
Dragons dogma my man is what this game is trying to be
What would be a good friends focused mmo then ?
@@chadthundercock1793 Well... There's Guild Wars 2 and Elder Scrolls Online. Both are pretty good in that regard.
Ahh Global Agenda, how I miss that game. I'm so sad that Hi-rez corrupted the Servers that they were barely keeping online
so many aspects of overwatch taken from that game.
No one talks about Dragon Nest when talking about action combat anymore...
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i loved DN, just so expensive / time consuming to play whine in college xD
THANK YOU DN is so underrated bcuz of its graphics style but i thought its combat was dope asf
long overdue for a sequel imo, don't know wtf they're doing on mobile. Your comment made me reinstall tho. Taking a little trip back in time.
I played it for 2h. I had enough because of the UI. GW2 sucked me in for much longer than it. Not to mention RaiderZ which was for very long my personal favorite.
Not to mention i only bought BDO for boobs physics.
Boob physics - that is actually a part of why I'd like to try it but I know I'll be bored very fast.
@@MasterLPG Runescape survives solely upon nostalgia, that's it. No way it'd survive judgement if released today, let alone with all of the bugs and issues it had before being ironed out and improved.
Oh wow RaiderZ! I remember that game! That game was brutal!
@@DmytroBogdan If you're on the fence because of spending money, try out Crimson Desert Online. It's a free private server, which right now, is kinda buggy (what hopefully gets fixed somewhat in a couple weeks), but it also eliminates the p2w aspect of the retail BDO.
Plus it's free, so all you have to lose is a couple hours.
@@tsunamie1015 I'm not against spending money, I'd rather have a subscription that put everyone in the same conditions than a so called ftp that hide game changing features behind pay-wall.
If BDO was sub based, with all the "necessities" like 5 pets and all the boosts available through in-game currency or achievements, with end-game focus on PvE...I'd be playing it to this day.
I put so many hours just getting to high-40s (spent money on ONE pet I believe). In the process, I leveled tons of crafting/farming and had an absolute blast with the combat system. I was there for the COMBOS. Looking online for combos that work (and figuring out a few myself) was a drug to me. Being able to hit a 15+ button press combo felt like playing a fighting game - it was precision and awesome.
This was a couple years ago, and as I ramped into later game, I learned that PvP was basically all I had to look forward to, and having not spent hundreds of dollars or thousands of hours...that it would NOT be something I'd enjoy.
Too bad, because weirdly, the combat complexity in PvE and the non-combat trades were far and away my favorite in any MMO to date...but that pay to win and no PvE end-game killed it for me.
Awesome! So glad you're continuing with this series. Keep it up!
BDO has it's moments but it's not an MMO I would stick with for too long. Got 2 characters to awakening doing quite a bit of crafting and all that stuff that goes with that (workers and housing). But there's a lot of grind to do without really much cool stuff. Exploring and combat is good enough and once I get bored of that I dipped.
It's def P2W
@Sebastian Chmara *???*
What do you even mean? Do you know the definition of "MMO"?
It's cause of the failstacks right
@@Randomness65535 Yeah you can pretty much see that BDO was designed in a way to encourage micro transactions.
Private servers will be the future. Gamez is in a rough state and CDO is in its infancy a rough buggy mess.
Sad days
@@Randomness65535 Go and play then you tell me.
1. The payment model
2. Exp rates so high there's no effort needed
3. Huge chunk are pen that just pvp all day
4. Majority of the population are afkers for pearls
CDO resolves all of these issues but they were dumb and had a full release when the server was still a buggy mess and before they had the remastered client ready.
@@Randomness65535 1. Is poor when there are paywalls for certain items. CDO has 0 paywalls.
With 2, an MMORPG is centered around being rewarded for your work. Journey over end goal. Do you feel good about getting high tier items with so little work? No cause pen no longer becomes something special and significant to work towards.
The people who play Gamez despite 2 are just so tired of grinding thanks to retail they want everything on a silver platter to pvp. Or put too much investment/money to leave, or are waiting for CDO to get their shit and population up.
I mean you could argue all of this is subjective so its not a very productive thing to say when I am not trying to tell you that your view is wrong I am telling you why I think Gamez is rough and a bad BDO experience.
@@Shadowraix I mean the fact you can buy all the "pay to win" items on the market place with silver, as well as buy all of your gear now, it's really not pay to win lol. Rng is also still rng. You can spend $1000 to ensure you won't fail your enchanting, but still fail. It's more like p2cry and not p2w.
@@Raydr62 Go play the game. You need money to be viable. If you disagree the you're probably like me and didn't get far enough.
I Think a lot of people don't know that you can buy costumes in the in player market. There are people who buy the costumes with real money and sell it in the in-game market for in-game currency. That s how I got my alchemists Clothes
I feel your exasperation at times during this video. It is gratifying.
Every time one of these comes around, I ask myself "What DOES nerdSlayer play?"
Mahjong
Mount and blade
Flyff :D
Everyone! :p
I tend to like what he says most of the time. It's honest and well thought out. As for what he plays, he plays what's fun.
Tried playing with a friend. Impossible to quest together. Seemed like we were never able to share quest or were on different quests. MMo is a loose term
Because the game doesn't build around quests, grind is the essence of the game. Group up and kill mobs, that's legit what the game is about.
Killing mobs and players 24/7.
Yeah, I tried it with a friend last year. It was the least social MMO I have played so far.
Not just questing, since it's a really small part of the game. But the whole problem of not being able to grind whit my lower geared players without losing a lot of efficiency is my biggest con of the game.
@@arei2422 Final Fantasy XI and OldSchool Runescape. Two games you can do quests with friends in(not literally, but you can both do the quest at the same time but you both have to complete it individually technically) but also grinding with lower geared players will always lose you efficiency. It's a fact of life unless you're in those areas set in place for the lower geared players to grind at.
Xarnic What I mean is that there two end game grinding spots designed to be grinded in group. Mobs drop loot for multiple people and the mobs are a lot tougher than in other spots you need the party to grind there. My two irl friends havent put as much time as me in to the game and they are not even ready to try these grind spots. But it would be nice if there was grinding spot(s) like these for lower geared people too. Mobs that drop loot for multiple people. And of course I wouldn't be as efficient as I would be grinding at higher end grinding spots but they would be as efficient as in other spots meant for gear they have. Hard fact now is that if we go grind any other spot that doesn't drop loot for multiple people, income is roughly divided by the amount people grinding in the party. So it's not good for me and it's not good for their progression either.
I love BDO, but the tet roulette needs to go. 10/10 Combat/World. Hell, i even like the "build-your-monopoly" take on life skills and busy work.
But Asian mmos need for breaking weapons in upgrading systems with rare or money items to repair your weapons is bad bad bad bad bad.
You can run the game in the background while you work and do your other life duties....Grinding gets boring but then you do crafting.. and rotate.
Or you… could play a good game..
@@chills3453Chills or just don't play it. I have decided to do
Yay, a game that allows me to progress...without playing it. Sounds fun.
@@BoardWalkToke If you don't like sandbox games don't play it.
@@chills3453 Good is relative. 10 million people disagree with you.
5 pets total isn't even the most efficient way of looting, 5 max level pets is. For that, you need around $200-300 USD minimum depending on your RNG
@@Krysnha I feel you..I played this shit and yes the moves were flashy but it felt like a small part time job to me
You really only need 1 or 2 pets for most of your time, pets do drop from one of the bosses, if I remember, as well as a few pets being events (I know for a fact there's a Christmas pet that I've gotten twice which is a fucking Penguin)
the pet argument is kind of stupid, I've never had my pets looting too slow, and only 2 of them were paid for, one was part of my game package, and the other was a gift.
Sherrif
How slow do you kill mobs to only need 2 pets? 5 t1 pets don't even pick up half my drops at sausans when blasting through packs.
@@Suzerainty950 4 of my 6 pets I got for free from events, of the two paid ones there was a gifted one (paid for by somebody else, and the pet I got as part of a package).
So buying pets seems unnecessary however I do find their requirement odd.
The game could stand to allow you to catch small animals in the wild to make pets or something allowing for a bit more variety than the seasonal pets you get for free.
BDO is only fun when you start playing, when you haven't discovered everything, haven't fought every monsters or bosses or sail on the ocean. When you experienced everything, the only thing left is grinding or pvp against p2w overgeared players.
Like every MMO...
Basically
@@Fran1189 No. its obvious you didnt play a lot of mmos.
So a year ago I would have 100% agreed with this video but the last year the game has really turned around. You can get a full 5 pets just doing the main story, season servers are a new system im place for players to get started its easy to get to and even past Soft cap gear score with the new seasonal gear that has higher enhance rates and getting to lvl 61/62(soft cap) is very easy in seasonal mode with double exp rates. As well as bdo giving tons of free bonuses monthly just for logging in every day for a month you would be able to afford a peice of +19 boss gear (+20 is the max). The issues with the combat isn't wrong the movment can get out of hand witch some classes but over all those classes with crazy movment are really very specialized for very specific small scale pvp situations. While the most popular form of pvp is the large scale pvp and the way Node wars and Seiges work having 8-16 guilds of up to 100 players fighting for territory is something no other game has been able to replicate in a way that feels even close to as good.
Meh doesnt really help me get back to this horrid game
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Without watching the video I'm guessing: too much pay to win, and tedious grind.
And you aren't far off.
you are correct like........ 100% correct
the p2w and endless grind still stay regardless of how much time you have wasted in it
dont see alot fo pay2win but i agree with the tedious grind :D
P2w 😂😂 if your a casual yeah you could say is p2w
Day 234 and comment #7 of my "Do a LOTRO video." campaign.
I dunno how no one's stolen LOTRO's musical instruments yet. So many fond memories of standing around the Prancing Pony, listening to someone butcher "Everlong" on a horn.
Someone give this man a LOTRO video
People are still at the Pony playing music, and there are lots of people running around. The game has plenty of flaws, but the world's rich enough to keep it going. And now there's Amazon's Middle Earth based stuff coming out. But I'd still like to hear nerdSlayer's thoughts!
LOTRO was the game I've only played a couple times with a friend, and when we did play it was the longest sessions I've ever had.
We started together at the same time, we were both dwarves if I recall correctly, and we played through the tutorial and tried some menial activities. I shortly after dicovered the town market and bought a bunch of random items, some of which were musical instruments.
Quickly, we became bored of the combat and pretty much everything else besides the instruments and sold all our equipment to buy more methods of music. We got some horses and for the rest of the night we roleplayed just wandering through the lands, confronting random players and playing tunes for them.
Before I knew it, we had found ourselves in some hobbity village and I went to go make some coffee while he tried to figure out fishing. I noticed the time and when I got back to my PC to tell him we were both amazed at how quickly the time went by. We had played from about 7pm until 4.30 the next morning and had no idea.
There's something special that that game accomplished and I can't put my finger on it.
@@DeskToyStudios Sounds like something I would have loved to do back when I still played it. I strongly considered being a minstrel just for my love of music and support gameplay, but I went with a different class (I barely remember classes but you started off with a raven for a familiar). Still, just roleplaying as traveling minstrels who play for other players.... That would really add to the feeling of the world for me, make me feel more immersed. Thanks for sharing your experience. :)
The main thing that gets me to stick with an mom initially is the world. While BDO is pretty I never felt like any of it was unique. It all sort of blended together. In games like WoW and EQ I could learn the geography and know either where I was or close to where I was with each zone having a distinct look to it, even if it shares a theme with surrounding zones.
Stick with a mom? Stay away from my mom you wierdo lol 😂
TLDR: Game has improved with several pets in questline, 60 slots through quests and loyalty shop (daily login coins), free gear event (sea anyway), A lot of free XP boost (sea, dk bout other servers) etc. But game balance is shit, and yes u can still sell costume to buy gear.
Well with so much hours and cash sunk into the game I would say the gear difference in the player base is the reason why I stopped playing bdo actively. I've only reached 261 recently with my class (maehwa) being one of the more irrelevant ones (imo anyway, fite me XD). And while I felt like I achieved something, when I really think about it, it's just thousands of hours for softcap. Though I did meet a lot of new friends (still in contact to this day) for the most part.
Compared to a year ago, I would say BDO is much easier to get into for several reasons:
3 free pets through the questline from Velia to Calpheon, then again I'm from SEA not sure if it's the same in other servers. Plus you can get up to roughly 60 inv slots by the time u finish the quests (i think) and that's not counting loyalty shop (login). Weight wise yeah, I hope they give us more options tho Shai has a built in increase in Weight by leveling up. Event logins that give u slots, and etc.
Costumes tho... Pray to god someone sells one to you on the marketplace.
Heck I got so salty when they gave out free TRI boss gear for free that is permanent (can't be upgraded but still good for newcomers cuz now they have bridged the gap somewhat). Now for SEA there's a oasis event that allows you to rent for gear and buy some stuff with just 1 silver.
I'm not saying BDO is flawless but it has certainly improved. The cash shop... Urgh please tone that down I really agree. But lvls, gear. You can't buy those. You can't save time with Value Packs, trust me. You get 530% xp buff from a J scroll (from sea, not sure if NA has it 1 loyalty each, so total of 53 loyalty), and daily 200% xp scroll that can be combined into 600%. That makes 1130% not including the god damn bells that are spammed everywhere. The reason left for me to buy VP is the market tax. But that itself should be removed.
Bottom line, yes, cash shop does save time, but you can't earn hardwork grind. Yeah, u can argue the ability to sell costumes for silver, and buy gear that way. Then yeah, it's pay to win.
Class wise... If you ain't picking meta, and unless you really take time to practice your combos... Good luck. As a maehwa player all I have been doing is trying to burst Mages as much as possible before I die to their one shot abilities. I mean I understand it's gear, but how can a Mage by principle tank a Flanker/Assassin class's attacks face on and come out unscathed. Heck Wizards even have a grab! The balance in this game is just horrible, and also one of the reasons I stop playing BDO. (I am salty, yes.)
Couldn't agree more
Class wise : just pick any class you like, no need fcking following meta and have fun
i have no prob with p2w, since most people who spend money on costume for silver have high pay job that maybe cost most of their play time, giving option to cut time seems good for me, altho i never sell costume... and yeah u need thanks to them, u could get costume without buying with real money, so in the end, its win win imo
Totally agree expect for the meta part every class has a strong point and swapping class isn’t that hard as armor and accessories can be used by any class... cash shop is probably what makes people quit early game second it’s when you pass level 50 and get one hit by a guy at softcap just there to ruin new players their experience as pvp is forced reason 3 is probably people at softcap that grind months and months just to upgrade 1 accessory or even worst just fail because rng isn’t on their side I can’t explain how frustrating it is to grind 3 months only to get nothing out of it but only losing billions in silver
The best action combat game I have played is Life is Feudal: MMO, but they cant get the rest of their game together, it is super frustrating how the combat can be so good, but things like lag, and other out of combat factors hold the game back, on top of that, it has massive pay to win aspects in or coming.
I'd say the best action combat MMO I've played is the online version of Dragon's Dogma. Sadly, you can only play it in asian languages since it was never released in the west. Also the high ping is horrible. If it wasn't for these 2 things it would've been my alltime favorite MMO.
@@Black-Dawg-Jesus well that's not really considered MMO, but i agree Dragon's Dogma combat was amazing.
for actual combat i still give it to B&S its stylish, looks great and far simpler then BDO or even Terra with certain classes.
@@kyotheman69 Uhm, I'm not talking about Dragon's Dogma, but Dragon's Dogma Online, which is indeed an MMORPG. :)
I also agree with your opinion on B&S. Played it for around 1 1/2 years before quitting. The combat and movement was pretty awesome.
@CWG90 They just released a new map and 0.2.0, it isnt abandoned, I am playing it right now.
Black Jesus im still waiting for dragons dogma online to hit the west.. bdo’s combat reminded me of it, which is why i even wanted bdo in the first place
I spent so much time playing BDO, working on my character, pvping, and it was a lot of fun because i was able to deal with their bullshit, and we even got brand new servers for NA... but then they rolled out those "balance" patches, not just to nerf Mystic, but to nerf EVERYTHING. Every week it was a nerf to classes, a nerf to guilds, a nerf to grindspots, a nerf to loot, a nerf to everything they could get their hands on. "Wow this grindspot is great because we can do it as a party together!" - NERF. "Wow i just spent my entire life working on this class and now its finally starting to shine." - NERF. "Wow our guild is able to make lots of silver and reward our players." - NERF. The entire game went downhill with the release of Mystic.
I would like to add that before the Great Nerfs, the combat was actually very detailed. Iframes and super armors were for the most part only available when the skill was off-cooldown. And since every skill had a CC attached to it, it was a game of cat and mouse where you would use your ability to avoid being CC'd, but if you spammed it you would not have that protection available for the next attack. Once you did land your CC: the opponent was able to be "combo'd" using a mix of CC's that extend the CC (knockback -> stun -> knockdown -> grab -> downsmash etc). The fun of the game before the great nerfs was learning new combo's, practicing these combos, sharing the combos with others, and learning ways to counter other classes. I remember one day where i spent my time teaching another Valkyrie how to combo and move, and they were so thankful they gifted me a month worth of Premium time.
Nerfs are because there are a few loudmouths that cry the most .
@@THANE_MITHRA I think what actually happened was they released Striker+Mystic which were hugely overpowered and everyone complained but they weren't nerfed because PA was making a ton of money from people rerolling (buying inventory/costumes). Then Lahn came out but it was very weak and nobody was rerolling to it, so they did huge sweeping nerfs to everyone forcing everyone to reroll and in turn make even more money than before. People who were dedicated to Valkyrie since day 1 were now rerolling to Wizard etc etc etc. And the reason i disagree with you is because if they did listen to the loudmouths they would've nerfed Mystic.
I guess you havent played the game since mystic was released right? It's doing better than it has in years.
@@frostdracohardstyle I quit like 2 weeks after they released that Token System for Node Wars, where the GM had to assign tokens to each person and if said person didnt get a token they could not participate (i found out this system was later removed after i had quit). Should also mention that I was a Valkyrie, so my idea of the game sucks, is going to be way different than a Wizard's idea of the game.
first time on this channel and that is the BEST intro ive ever seen
I guess I'm just weird because I love the game entirely. I love how slow progression is, I love how the end game is solely PVP. I love that people have reputations, I love the Gender lock because it forces history and lore (even though they released a male archer DF)
But what I love most is how fruitful and full of detail/life it has.
Seems a lot of people deem it as trash because everything isn't available at their finger tips and they have to put in actual hard work. And the frame rate.
Anyway this was an awesome review. Thanks for being honest and using your platform responsibly!
@@johenseena6872 LOL. That's called not being fond of RNG and has moreso to do with the player and not the game. It's a patience problem, not a shit feature.
Might as well cancel my FFXIV subscription. Damn raid RNG lmao.
@@christianmazerolle7094 EXACTLY this I came from ffxiv played for 3 years left about 2 years ago I still love ffxiv but I came to bdo expecting to grind granted I had the game for 2 years barely played though it got better.
Its def patience bdo gives you log in rewards & other shit it depends how smart you are with resources people ON TOP of the RNG those raid boss weapon drops in bahamut back in the day was smh the worst in ffxiv lol..
Playing almost 2.5 years, spent 30euros on 3 pets, 2 got free from events. Its true that you progress a bit slower but i am softcap amd still enjoy. I would start another mmo but there is nothing better atm tbh.
Mirza Dupljak elder scrolls online is a gem. Improve a lot since launch and has a very interesting dlc coming this summer. Pvp is grand and open world. I think you’d love it.
ESO is a pretty good mmo, you should check it out!
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TBH for me BDO is a love-hate relationship, in that, while I really enjoy the base game, huge open world, stable engine and responsive gameplay (bear in mind I fully understand I'm not and won't ever be competitive in such a hardcore "no-life" game, rather just in there for fun and the social aspect), I think most of the experience really feels like a second job, what with afk activities, micro-management of workers, inventories in different cities and all...
It really feels like running a logistics company or something lol.
Even a casual is expected to leave the PC running 24/7 (fishing, processing, you name it, waking up at odd hours to check on things, much like a mobile game etc...), not to mention the old-school "make or break" casino-style RNG, which while it can be thrilling every now and then, really feels old when so much is at stake.
To sum it up, while the game at its core is amazing and then some, it's held back by greedy practices and way too much grinding for seemingly little results.
That's too bad...
Wish it could have been different, cause there truly is an outstanding game beneath all of that crap.
Bought this for £8 yesterday.
Played for 1 hour.
Deleted it.
Reinstalled Dragons Dogma.
Ok
My biggest problem with BDO is the lack of diversity. If I want to play berserker, I have to be a male giant. If I want to be a dark Knight, I have to be a female with a big ass and no leggings. It really limits what classes I play, simply because I don't want to play as a elf female or a human male.
You know, I'll never get how everyone criticizes BDO based on monetization when, one, it has more players overall than several other mmos, currently has more players than the entirety of wow combined (Though this is separated due to the console and pc thing)
And ESO has several dlcs which are a must buy, or a constant subscription to actually get gold jewelry, high tier items, best in slot sets, etc.
Further, World of Warcraft has actual pay to win.
Pay to reach max level, pay for gold to buy best in slot gear, etc.
I don't understand why everyone gives those a pass and acts like they don't exist? Blade and soul is also pretty pay to win from what I remember as well.
WoW is just raids, dungeons and pvp, it has one of the most boring quests out there. I had more fun with ESO quests.
Don't forget you can pay $26 in FFXIV to get a class to max level no need to grind.
@@LcieKJ It's hilarious how everyone reee's about pay to win in korean games but pretends western and japanese mmos don't have that shit in them
The thing is... Is not pay to win AT ALL. Is pay to accelerate the process. Yeh the fact that they got there faster doesn't change shit. If a 270ap player vs a 270ap player who spent 100+ € there will be legit no diff.
Idk man people just don't like when a game brings different stuff
@@RashdosEU It's not even pay for faster stuff. On PC you can legit get 5 tier 4 pets for free. And make millions per hour easily. You even get catch-up gear like all tri boss items allowing you to work on jewelry first since weapons and armor are cheaper to obtain. And then sell the boss gear slowly for tet pieces.
That's easy-mode. Imagine playing BDO and acting like it's pay to win when the process to get strong is so quick and easy for free?
@@RashdosEU also the video avoid life skilling that makes billions of silver a week when mastered just talks about PvP and even the fact that you need 4 pets to play well and the story gives u 4 pets so its not a valid argument, i have 5 pets cause the raid boss drops a pet dragon no money spent at all.
BDO is just a solo grind with no point to it at all. No Good PvE content. Just feels like a hack n slash with in an mmo setting. Which is ass to me.
have you try node war and siege?? ua-cam.com/video/ZqUZC56USVE/v-deo.html
@@unmercy2326 boring and overated pvp
I really enjoyed your video. My experience: I've never played any other action combat MMO and found this game refreshing - never wanting to go back to tab target games again. I do agree that at some point it still is mindless, but even after grinding hundreds of hours I still find it enjoyable enough. That said - I'm someone that can only grind about an hour at a time or an hour a day. So to your point about paying - I've spent $90 since Sept 2017. I have more than 5 pets, 2 PEN items, around 12 characters, and so on - this is because something you may not have experienced. This is company gifts, they have given so much over the years - they give value packs, pets, inventory expansion, etc. Now am I top end pvper? No, but IMO I can compete and contribute. I know people that pay have more advantage than me but I at least feel I can compete without spending the same. What I still enjoy is how much there is to do - tons of content I've never even tried and I like the "endless challenge," even if I'm not a grinder. The area I notice is the worst is the story - or lack there of. I can hardly tell you 2-3 sentences worth to explain the world and what is going on. Sure I skipped dialog, but still I feel there is almost no lore or that I'm not very connected to it. I will stop rambling and say your video was well spoken and I enjoyed your take. I want to explore these other action MMOs you speak of...
We are in 2020 dude xD you played for 3 years and still dont have the best items xD
Paid $10 for the game on steam. Have 400 hours so far into the game and haven't spent anything other than the original purchase price. I advise anyone who is thinking of getting BDO to just play it and see how you like it. Some people enjoy the grinding and some don't. For me personally even just the character creation is worth the $10 I spent.
dragon nest and c9's combat, set the bar so high for me that I can't enjoy mmorpgs nowadays . :(
Ryuji Tsukagoshi those games and vindictus is the reason why I play BDO
@@N2alive vindictus is really good too but I had to use vpn to play it. I hope someone will release mmorpg like these in the near future.
A few things I'd like to say,
As a BDO player who spent playing this for a year (both on NA 9 months and EU 3 months) and now returning after 7 months of inactivity, p2w is subjective. Costumes I can buy as a decently geared player within a week, pets? Just do events and get calendar rewards, yeah sure I missed out early on but I got to 5 pets without having to buy 1, Value pack isn't needed (aside from the 30% which I use a loyalty pack for when I collected lots of loot to sell).
Alot of things you name to buy you can do ingame, with relative ease now that dark rifts are a thing, 1 week of dark rifts got me 400 mil for 2 hours of boss killing it is ridiculously easy...
As for endgame being always flagged? Wrong, only if you're in a guild who got declared upon, but fyi this is a PVP mmo, this is not an mmorpg meant for pve/holy trinity/dungeons etc, pvp is the core of this game so people who like to pvp will appreciate constant fights.
Combat is ... eh, its ok, not supreme, as a tera player I kinda enjoyed tera more but that was cause its consistent, in mass pvp things can get wonkie.
Overal I'm not defending BDO, the grind is terrible, I got burned out twice ... you feel like you're in a singleplayer game more often due to how limited you are in group activities. If you'd take the game with a calm mindset and not rush or strive to be hardcore, you could easily get enjoyment out of your game for the 10$ you spent. But if you wish to be competitive? Yeah ok make this your only game in your library, which I don't recommend.
What I like about BDO is it seems like a real world and has a lot of subtle touches if you actually interact with NPCs. I crave an MMO that is fairly sandbox but with a good world I want to interact with.
I've got 5 pets in the game - 1 came with buying, 2 free with events and 2 free with missions... Seems a lot of these issues no longer remain so respect they are least listening.
Skode Dickinson u got tier 1 pets , tier 3 or 4 is what u want
That is the problem that a lot of people like yourself do not see, you have 100% right to enjoy the game, but the game employs TONS of CASINO, P2W and psychological tricks to keep you playing it, its not because its a really good game, it has good things it, 100%, i enjoyed it as well, but iam probably not going back because of the Casino it is, and the sheer amount of money one need to spend to actually be on the same level as other PvPers.
these are from my personal experience and opinion from playing the game for 6 month.
first point - business model : pets, the value pack, costumes, they can be purchased via the game currency (silvers) on marketplace. In fact, i bought 3 out of the 5 pets i own on the marketplace, and the game give you one pet for free in early game. I have only spend about 15$ on this game for a special pack, and i got the game for free via one of their get the game for free events.
second point - combat system : i dont do much pvp so cant say much about it BUT you can turn off the aim assist so properly aim if you want to. Most of the skills of all characters are AOE since mobs spawn in packs. Also you will get bonus damage if you hit someone on the back or you knock them down, which require some brain cells to do.
third point - busy work online? : i have not grind mobs for 2 months now and i just do life skills such as farming, fishing, training horse, sea monster hunting, cooking, trading, alchemy, processing, gathering, and hunting. The lifeskills are more profitable than grinding mobs if done properly, and honestly, this is why i stick to the game.
To close it off, your points are weak and there are many strong points NOT play bdo.
I’ve played BDO for about 2 months now, and I’ve noticed that this video is very misinforming because the creator did not unlock majority of the content.
To start off, the combat system completely changes after lvl 56, which can be reached after a day or two of hardcore grinding. Once you’re lvl 56, you obtain essentially double your move set by equipping an awakening weapon, which opens the door for a hundreds of combinations that surpasses the competition. Aim assist can also be turned off but once you start to learn combos, it’s so hard to hit everything that even with aim assist it’s hard to hit moving targets.
The pvp is surprisingly nice since it’s completely optional. I have no idea what he meant by not optional, but unless you opt into a war or battlefield, you do not have to fight. When it comes to facing insanely stronger opponents, there are servers for that and servers for newer players.
The biggest problem for me is the grinding. He was right about the grinding and how money helps, but it’s not pay to play, it’s pay to play better. As a westerner myself, I hated grinding, but there is a bit of upside with guild mates and 10 move combos.
The creator of this video judged the game too quickly and only judged the game based off the start. He did not have access to half his move set or combo, which is why he felt limited and did not form relations to help his quest. Before comparing it to other games, play the game until you unlock majority of the moves, or else it’s like saying Smash Ultimate only has 10 characters with two attack buttons.
OH THANK GOD! I was about to play this game because it looks amazing but I put it off due to him saying the pvp wasn't a choice. So you dont HAVE to pvp?
Ryan V There are pvp servers and battlefields where you can PvP. At level 50 it will give you the option of being able to PvP. It will not force PvP down your throat. I personally hate PvP and just grind and fish. Currently lvl 57 Witch and lvl 57 Berzerker.
Once you reach past 56, it gets exponentially harder due to bigger exp bars and gear score, but once you hit soft cap (which means you have the 3rd or so best gear which I’m almost there in each gear piece) you will be able to contend even against those who grinded for years. It’s a game of who has more skill at that point. In terms of guild wars, there are people like me who don’t fight and just heal to get rewards or people who stun the enemies.
Overall I loved the first month of the game, but from then on it gets so hard to get better that I just opted to be a support and fish while I play other games. It’s without a doubt worth it until you enter the world of professionals.
yeah fuck this content creator. Bdo is legit the top mmo.
Which begs the question why don't the game just let him unlock everything from the start so he know what he's going to have?
@@ardensetiawan353 bro you can hover on the skills and it shows what you could unlock with an animation of the skill..
I don't play BDO because the classes aren't balanced and they spend too much time on monetizations.
I managed to play a total of 20 minutes of this game. Felt like someone was assaulting my eyes with flashing lights and had no idea what was going on.
I think your criticism of the combat system is a microcosm of the whole game. Sure, BDO *looks* like it has great combat, but the players are just loose hitboxes, the abilities are largely very simplistic about aiming, and the dashes are simple network packets inducing invincibility and teleporting, rather than real movement. Even advanced players talk about deliberately dashing around to induce desynchronisation with the server so that you can't be hit. A lot of this sloppiness is covered up with particles and flashes. It's gameplay, but is it quality gameplay? I think not. Mount and Blade, for example, never covers up its combat with flashing lights so you can't tell whether it's working or not. Overall, BDO is all beauty and flashiness covering up a mediocre game. But worse than that, it's a honeytrap.
Agree with this so much. I often see the combat receiving so much praise, but for me it isn't warranted. Sure when i first started playing I was really impressed. But after the fresh and new experience wore off, I no longer found the combat compelling. I love movement, I love high skill cap gameplay, however BDO takes movement to an excessive level. Skill design is so bland, I feel it also does a poor job of promoting group coordination as well. The combination of movement spam and lack of abilities that provide depth in the way of group synergy are some contributing factors to this.
Everyone is looking at this system entirely wrong. It's not a quake-esc arena combat shooter it's an RPG with fighter mechanics. BDO is closest in combat to Street Fighter. You have Iframes, super armor, crowd controls such as stuns, floats, knockdowns etc. It's all about keeping your movements safe through super armors, frontal guards, blocks, and s while catching your opponents out with CC and then use whatever you caught them with as a foundation to start a combo.
BDO combat is a chess match, it's not a twitch shooter.
@@Mekose again I still feel it is extremely overrated. I think on a group scale the skill ceiling is really low. I have always described BDO as an MMO fighting game. And that wasn't used in a positive manner. It's like they strip all the meaningful RPG elements to facilitate this. Gear is pure vertical ascension. Class progression is pure vertical ascension. There is no true differentiation other than skill. The wizard standing next to you has access to the same skills as you. I feel it's not even an RPG with fighter mechanics. Since character building is extremely extremely limited. Instead it's more of just a MMO Fighter Game.
@@Mekose I'm not sure everybody is looking at it wrong. Nobody said it should be twitchy. Moves and combos and counters are all great to have. In fact, I'd say BDO is trying to be too twichy, and running up against the difference between Street Fighter on a LAN and an MMO over the Internet. People's desire for pace unfortunately clashes with the speed of light somewhat.
@@Izkimar You can critique BDO combat all you want. I'm not saying it's an excellent system at all, but it should be critiqued within the proper parameters.
I'm not going to say "wow this forza game has shitty combat" because it's not even the same genre. Saying BDO is bad because it's not like Mount and Blade seems like a ridiculous statement to me. Saying BDO's combat is bad for the reasons you listed is totally viable however.
Why compare BDO to a dead game? What does a dead game have to do with you not playing anymore? I thought when you got to the better combat part, you were gonna reference still healthy mmos. Why compare collision boxes with non mmo games?
continenth of the ninth....vindictus, b&s still alive and kicking and he mentioned them (except continenth of the ninth)
@@hovsep56 Vindictus isn't an MMO, and it's janky as fuck (though to be fair, all the other games he mentions are also janky as fuck). B&S is a really well-disguised tab-targeting MMO. There actually aren't any real action combat MMOs out there except for BDO, which is a shame because BDO sucks.
It's only logical to compare it to the ones that did it right.
Mr. Gentz I think you completely missed the plot >.
@@bonsaw57 He didn't miss the plot, it's just that NS's video here is rambling and unfocused. He struggles to make "it's boring and I don't like how the action feels" into fifteen minutes of content, and part of that is taking a bunch of useless comparisons and misinterpreting what the differences actually mean. Like an action MMO doesn't have the same random, spastic, weightless combat of a heavily modded single player Star Wars game from 15 years ago, which I guess means.. it's.. not "real action"..?
UA-cam has a way of making randos think that their opinions are the same thing as expertise or insight, and this guy a fantastic example of the phenomenon in action.
I'd be angrier at BDO's value pack system if the game was 60$, and they're slowly improving over time with 4/5 pets being given away for free.
I played the game and got 4 pets without paying early game
grinding 1 year, finaly get 285 ap, ended afk fishing all day long. Nw = snipe guild, rbf = afk lowlevel, siege = zerg fest. Hahahahaha
Despite all of its problems, it is still one of the best mmos currently out. Too many people got into mmos when they started WoW and just want some sort of clone.
I couldn't care less about PvP, and I love grinding, even repetitive grinding. It's relaxing, especially if it's in a beautiful environment. And I don't crave highly complex combat, I play video games for enjoyment and some challenge, but I don't need stressful, complicated combat. Call me a filthy casual if you want, but it's a GAME. I've never played BDO, but I've signed up for the PS4 open beta that's coming up and I'll reserve judgement until I've had some in-game time. I've been watching game play vids this week and it looks really good. I'm excited to get into it!
Yea ive been stuck at softcap for over a year, got sick of NWing, and just decided to focus on my alts and goof around, exploring, questing, optimizing my worker empire. Getting an alt to 60 is so ez (when u have elite jewelry to lend em) and while my "skills" on my main have eroded, im having way more fun than before. Where all i did was grind Miromuks, enhance (and always fail), and NW for all of my active time in game.
If i stayed "hardcore" id have quit the game ages ago... also im playing less, as i dont have the constant pressure of making "gains" to be more viable in NW. I wished i played more casual earlier.
@Don't worry About it The game is far from all about PvP.
I really appreciate that point of view, I always give things a try at least once (especially if it's free or there's a trial). So many people just listen to what someone (Like NS) told them and say, of well fuck that game! When they might realize they actually enjoy it, and it's not as bad as the other person said.
Action Games such as God of War and Action MMO's likd Blade and Soul aren't the same genre. "Action" MMO's use near-full action combat because of latency. They have concessions like larger hit boxes, varying aim assist, few or no projectiles, and Iframes because those mechanics make dealing with the reality of lag in an MMO setting far easier. It's a work around. That's pretty much the same reason Tabtarget was the style used in the earliest MMO's as the infrastructure for action gaming on that scale was simply not wide spread enough, and netcode isn't easy to do right to begin with. Action MMO's are also a spectrum with things like TERA being close to full action while TESO and GW2 are much closer to older Tab Target/Autoattack titles. Single-player offline full action games are a much different experience since they don't have to deal with the ping troubles a massive open world mmo deals with. As time moves on these issues will become less and less of an obstacle I'm sure.. but at the same time the hayday of the MMORPG has also more or less run its course at this point.
I've wanted MMORPG's to go full action for a long time. I'd love a full on pve MMORPG experience with no cash shop that featured the combat of something like Monster Hunter. Unfortunately I think the genre stagnated due to so many trying to emulate WoW's formula and at this point the shear expense of building and maintaining an MMORPG, combined with the long history of failed entries in the genre, put a kabosh on the number we were getting. The few that still come out tend to be like Black Desert; awful microtransaction filled grind fests.
gloria victis?
if only Dragon nest was open world .... and this is why most ppl switch to FPS or MOBA