New Tune For The Helix DSP Ultra!!! Analog or Coaxial Digital? 🧐
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2021
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Hi Dean thanks for a great review. You are good at explaining think of car stereos and different DAPS and that you prefer, I also prefer Fiio and I love my M11plus. our dealer in Sweden still has few in stock but it would cost you more, customs and taxes to send it to Canada. our dealer sells M11 plus for SEK 7,600, in Euro approx. 760 and M17 for 1850 Euro. But I hope you have already bought one. Merry christmas. :-)
hello i am thinking of changing dap
i have fiio x7mk2
ibasso dx150
hybrid r5
ibasso dx170
what do you recommend, do you think i need optical out in my dap but
Can you share link to buy the cable?
Hi Dean, thanks for the helpful information and time you spend for us...
My system is 3 seater panel van ,3 way front Scanspeak and helix sub under passengers seats , Audison Vrx amps , Alpine PxaH800 procesor , Alpine X802du headunit, Bludento aptx Hd receiver, all high end cables, all my phones are LG V series with built-in quad dacs...
I drive every day around 6 hours and make a lot of the phone calls , the Alpine X802du headunit(rca to the procesor) it's ussles very poor sound compared to the 70$ Bludento(optical to the procesor) Bluetooth receiver aptxHd conection...
I stream everything from phone Tidal and UA-cam mostly through Bluetooth aptxHD , it's very important to use the conection wireless ....
After seeing you vid i came with an idea my Lg V50 phone Bluetooth LLDAC conected to M11Plus , M11Plus 3.5mm Y splitter for microphone and RCA to analogue input Alpine Pxa800 procesor. The digital conversion will be done only once by the M11Plus and i will have the ability to make the phone calls without switching the inputs from headunit to the Bluetooth Dac on the procesor.....?
Also DSP.3 will be better than Alpine Pxa800 procesor?
If to use analogue input in the dsp then DSP.3 compared to DSP Ultra will be the same sound quality? ...
Many thanks for your time and support!!!
Nice system! How does your system connect to the DSP? As in mine is connected via an PAC Amp Pro Toslink optical cable. So how is your main connection to the Alpine DSP?
@@CarAudioHorizons i have tvo inputs in the dsp , one from Alpine headunit (rca) and another one from the Bluetooth Dac receiver through the optical conection and i stream to it through Bluetooth from my phone in Aptx Hd quality ....
@@davidkarbit Ok I was looking at the specs on the DSP you have and that was one of the best DSP’s for its time. I see it has two digital inputs but their both toslink. I think going with the new Helix DSP.3s would be slightly better as the specs are just a hair above your Alpine, and would give you the option to use a DAP’s coaxial digital input as well as one Toslink input. Your Aline deck looks like your weakest piece out of your equipment and it still has decent specs but know where near as good as the Fiio M11 plus. It’s too bad that your deck doesn’t have optical Toslink out, that’s why I bought the PAC amp pro for my system as it has the toslink out and like you I have a lot of calls during the day and I don’t sacrifice sound quality as it’s a strait digital connection. So I can listen to the radio, Apple car play etc..on the toslink on input 1 and then switch to my Fiio on input 2 (coaxial digital) to get real serious. Both digital connections but sound slightly different. I’m using Audioquest cables for both.
I’m not a big fan of twenty thousand cables everywhere lol so I like to keep it simple while being able to use all my inputs, which I’ll be adding the Fiio M11 Plus going analog into my DSP Ultra when I get it.
Your issue is that you only have analog on your main deck but your dsp has optical inputs. Your DSP has higher end specs than your deck and especially with optical toslink in.
That being said it’s still decent specs but if I was in your shoes I’d be looking more at the Helix DSP Ultra or the 16 channel Zapco as that would definitely be a jump up, but a big jump in price.
Is your system tuned properly? You have a lot of really nice gear and it should sound good, If not you might have to drive to Peter from PS Sound to get it tuned properly lol.
I’ll be testing the M11 plus soon and will let you know what it’s like going analog into my dsp. Stay tuned for that video once I get it.
@@CarAudioHorizons Hey Dean, Can your Helix Ultra automatically switch between two digital sources?
I'm planning to run a Helix Ultra in my project vehicle as well. Main source would be an Android headunit connected to the DSP via Optical input, used for day to day playback/phonecalls/nav prompts/etc.
Then a Fiio DAP will be connected to the Helix Ultra via Coaxial for better quality playback during critical listening sessions.
I'm hoping to be able to have the Helix switch over to the Optical Headunit source if a phonecall/Nav prompt comes in, then back to the Coaxial DAP when said phonecall is finished.
A bonus feature in hoping for is the Fiio Link app, connected over Wi-Fi. The plan would be to control the hidden away Fiio from the Android radio screen and even steering wheel controls, using the Link App. Apparently bluetooth data communication isn't available on these radios yet, so I wouldn't be able to use the Link app with bluetooth.
Thanks for any insight!
@@HAMMER_2.2 You can have whatever signal you want as priority so if your head unit is toslink into your helix dsp ultra then you can set that as your priority that way if your listening to your Fiio DAP and a phone call comes in it will detect that and switch over or you can also switch it manually through the director. I’m not sure if the conductor does that though but you can always call Mobile Solutions in Calgary Canada and ask for Larry or Chris and they will know for sure if the Conductor does for sure.
-I have a Fiio M11 (Bought it for my moondrop IEMS)
-A car equiped with 10 (shitty) OEM speaker (6.5inch sub included, ±175watts is pushed to it (the OEM sound system wattage limit))
-I'm new to car audio stuff
-I will install a chinese head unit soon (my car (CT200H) doesn't support single or double din head units because of poor fitment so I'm forced to buy one with a custom fit, which is a shame because I have a Sony XAV laying around..) So I will need to separate the audio of my head unit & my Fiio M11 with a mixer (I think) and maybe find a way to make the volume of my fiio lower when my head unit outputs sound (Google maps, etc..)
What would you do & buy if you were in my spot?
I really need some help
Thanks!!
I connect my Fiio BTR15 output via RCA into RCA aux in of the DSP. I installed a RCA switcher before the aux in in order to switch between Head Unit or DAC input. The problem is: After installing the RCA switcher I found audible noise. If I disconnect the usb power of the DAC, the noise is gone. However if I disconnect it, I will need the power source. Also if I don’t use the RCA inout switcher, there is no noise at all even I connect the usb power to DAC, but the problem switching manually the input is so hassle. What should I do? Why this happens?
I always tell people to get a DSP that gives them input options like mine or a Helix DSP.3S or the new Helix DSP Ultra S. With these DSP’s you can have an Aux input, a Optical input, a Coaxial input and a AptX HD input. The FiiO BTR’s are ok but they’re not as good as the DSP’s DAC’s that I mentioned. I would never use a switcher for anything as then you’re just asking for noise. I have found that with most FiiO products they have analog noise issue depending on how you’re using them. The under $1,000 DAP’s are better used via their Coaxial Digital Audio Outputs where as the SMSL units that have linear power supplies built in have no noise whatsoever when using the analog outputs but most of those you need to plugin to your vehicle.
It’s true, I finally have my Helix ultra with Director up and running today. I’m coming from the Zapco DSP-Z8IVII. The Zapco is much more user friendly but the ultra is steps above. I can’t speak for the 16ch Zapco cause I had the 8ch. I can’t till its all tuned.
Did you end up getting it tuned by Nick?
@@CarAudioHorizons not yet.
@@myboy051 lol I’m glad I’m not the only procrastinator
There's no time allignment with digital output, right?
Because i have a FiiO m11 plus ess connected to my Helix dsp3s via coax cable but i can't set the time allignment on a single driver and even if i try to set, it doesn't affect the sound. 😢
Time alignment is on the DSP not the DAP and it works on every DSP. You must be doing something wrong or haven’t updated the software
Have you done a head to head with the GS9 analog input vs the fiio digital coaxial into the helix ultra?
I have a Fiio m17 now and spec wise it’s far superior to the Sony RSX-GS9 Via both Analog and Digital Coaxial. There’s nothing in Car audio head unit wise that comes close the the Fiio M17 specs not even the Alpine F Status version 3 which uses the modified version of Astell & Kern SP1000.
Any DAP that has coaxial output thats cheaper than a used fiio m11 plus thats 500 eur?
I entended to use the DAC of an amplifier like marantz hd amp1 / Cambridge cxa80 or yamaha a-s501.
In that price range your best bet is just an iPhone with an SMSL PO100 pro and then go coaxial digital into the DSP.
May I know, is that possible I connect 4.4 to RCA and 3.5 coaxial digital cable at the same time together Sony wm1a and hilex pro m3?
Not sure on the Sony as I have never used that model but with the FiiO M17 it works perfectly
Thanks
Jaja this video for my question xD Iloveit
Verry usefull info
Thank you sir 🙏
Hi Dean, I ordered the M11plus and I have a dsp pro mk2. I have the audioquest evergreen rca, I'm just confused because the evergreen has 2 rca's, shall I just need to use one and leave the other one unplugged?
Sounds like you have just regular RCA’s. If running analog you will need the 3.5 to rca’s cable, and if you want to run digital then you need the Coaxial digital cable. I would buy both of these so you have the option to go both digital and analog.
@@CarAudioHorizons I see. But as you said in the video, analog is better in the M11plus right? So it's better for me to get the audioquest evergreen 3.5 to rca cable than the audioquest cinnamon digital cable?
@@gerardmalabanan5693 like I said above I would get both cables as that’s how my system is. It comes down to preference and the fact is you’re already going to run one cable so why not just run both, then you have the best of both worlds.
Great
Hi Dean. Thanks for the video. I have a very specific question. Does it EVEN MATTER what DAP I use, if I'm going to utilize the DAC of my DSP? Meaning, if I do not plan on going analogue out, from the DAP to the DSP, as I will instead go digital coax or bluetooth to the Helix DSP, can't I just use a 'cheaper' DAP and it will STILL sound the same?
No, every product has it’s own sound signature even through coaxial digital or optical Toslink. I have said this many times in my reviews and I don’t understand how people like Skizer and others from DYI Mobile Audio keep telling people that it all sounds the same.
I have had most of the Fiio DAP’s, X5iii, M11, M11 Plus LTD, M17 and they all sound completely different from one another out of the coaxial digital output into my Helix DSP Ultra.
That being said I’ll be doing a review on the Fiio M11s soon and will see how that sounds as the regular M11 was excellent
@@CarAudioHorizons This is exactly what I want to do - switch from the regular M11 to either M11s or M11 Plus ESS, not sure if it worth overpaying for ESS if I'm using Coax only.
@@GarryDavidson157 If you watch my latest video you will see that the FiiO M11s doesn’t come with the coaxial digital adapter unfortunately
@@CarAudioHorizons doesn't matter, I have 3.5 coax cable
@@GarryDavidson157 Well if you already have the right cable then no worries in that department. I can tell you that all the Fiio DAP’s all sound different through the coaxial digital outputs even though you’re not using the internal DAC’s.
I can’t comment on the Fiio M11s but I have had the FiiO X5iii, M11, M11 Plus LTD, and now the Fiio M17 and they all have totally different sound signatures out of the coaxial digital outputs.
Nothing has changed in my system other than the different versions of the Fiio DAP’s. Also everything I have tested that have optical and coaxial digital outputs all sounded different in my system.
Another amazing video! When you say we connect from 3.5mm to rca you mean that we choose "line out" to the dap? I do have the Hiby R3 pro which is better than most dsp's out there, and i when i use the 3.5mm out to the stereo i have to activate the line out option. Thank you
I’m not following you…you said the Hiby R3 Pro is better than most DSP’s? Do you mean DAP’s?
@@CarAudioHorizons I mean most car audio DSP's. I believe that even the Hiby R3 pro which is not something special, can still easily compete with many car DSP's on the DAC side of course 😊.
My question is that do you still have to choose in the fiio line out option or it does it automatically? Cheers
@@nikosraptis1985 The Hiby R3 Pro has entry level DAC chips just like an entry level DSP would have.
There is no DAP or anything out there that would automatically pick line out for you. You would have to select line out in the settings.
You just have to be careful with line out that your DSP can handle the voltage especially if you’re using the balanced out as some DAP’s have extremely high voltage and you can clip your DSP’s inputs and damage the unit.
@@CarAudioHorizons Thanks for the reply. For some reason it feels like it plays cleaner and fuller with the R3 pro instead of my Dex P99RS head unit. Which is your favorite dap player till today that you recommend for car audio and doesn't really break the bank? Cheers
@@nikosraptis1985 Well the FiiO M17 is my favourite DAP so far as it sounds great through the coaxial digital output and 3.5 and 4.4 as well, so it gives you a lot of options.
For a mid priced DAP I would probably go with the HiBy R6 Pro II (Gen 2) as it has some decent tech. Normally I would say FiiO M15s but it’s lacking in the tech department compared to the Hiby as the M15s only has Android 10, and a 720p screen. The only decent thing about the M15s is it’s using the ESS9038Pro DAC but everything else seems better on the cheaper Hiby DAP.
I was pretty disappointed with the FiiO M11s as it didn’t sound as good as the old original M11 out of the coaxial digital output.
There isn’t anything too exciting out right now, so I might bring in the Hiby if they ever put it on the Canadian Amazon site.
Dave, I am having some issues playing anything 192KHZ 24bit from my M11 Plus to DSP Ultra Pro over the digital coax. Does not matter where the files are played from eg: SD Card thru FIIO Player, Roon player over wifi LAN, or roon arc over internet WAN the result is the same. There is alway digital noise in the audio no matter what the audio track is. If I switch and listen to the same exact track coverted to 96khz 24bit its dead quite. Have you had any experience with this? If not, do you think you might be able to test it on your system and see what kind of results you get. I have a trouble ticket in with FIIO as well as the US Helix Rep looking into it from the DSP end.
Yes, the Helix can only play 24/96 as anything else like 24/192 gets downsampled to 24/96. It will play some 24/192 tracks but like I said they will get downsampled to 24/96. I talked about it in a few videos in the past.
@Car Audio Horizons kind of surprising. Larry Penn with MSC is suppose to be testing this as well. He said that he is pretty sure his 192khz files play with no issue thru the DSP Ultra. Also kind of surprising this would be happening with the AK DAC's in the DSP Pro.
@@MrRes1cue It’s hit or miss if you’re using coaxial digital. Analog seems to play more of the 24/192 files but like I said above it’s just going to be converted to 24/96 anyways and I’m pretty sure nobody is going to hear the difference between 24/96 and 24/192 if it’s a song from the exact same albums. The Brax DSP can do 24/192 no problem as it has a 192 kHz sampling rate…the Helix’s only has a 96 kHz sampling rate.
@@CarAudioHorizons just a heads up, MSC said ATF is replacing my DSP Ultra. They say that the unit should not have any digital noise playing 192khz 24bit audio. The DSP ultra is suppose to down convert to 192khz audio to 96khz without issue. They believe that there may be a defect in my unit. If yours is noisy you may have the same defect.
@@MrRes1cue To me it’s no big deal as like I said it’s going to get converted anyways. Most of the ones I had issues with were ones bought from HD Tracks and Acoustic Sounds which I haven’t bought anything from those stores in a few years.
Is the dac from the fiio m11 plus better then the dac from the helix 3s ?
You can actually look up the different DAC chips and which order they fall into on the companies websites. They will explain everything there which is what I always use when seeing which order they fall in.
These are the main two AKM & ESS for DAP’s
AKM -> www.akm.com/us/en/products/audio/audio-dac/
ESS -> www.esstech.com/products-overview/digital-to-analog-converters/sabre-audiophile-dacs/
Im planning on purchasing a Fiio player, What exactly am i looking for since they have a bunch of different models?
Hold off for a bit as Fiio just announced two more DAP’s coming out in June. The Fiio M11s which will replace the 2019 M11. Then the Fiio M15s which will also replace the 2019 M15. I’ll be doing a review on both! Right now they have the Fiio M11 Plus LTD (Not many units left) and the Fiio M11 Plus ESS. Then there is there flagship Fiio M17 which is their flagship and I just did a review on it.
Im ready to purchase a Fiio dap. Amazon has Fiio M11 Plus ESS & T what’s the difference same price? I’m planning to connect to my Helix dsp.3s
If you go analog out of the SP2000, the signal is converted back again to digital at the DSP, and the more you convert signals, the more noise will be introduced. Best to have only one conversion, and the way to do that is to go digital out of the player. What do you say? Have you heard the difference, or are you just going off what Matt Schaeffer said?
Sounds like you have been hanging around the DYI Mobile Site far too long. I talked about this a long time ago before Matt had said anything about it. If you have watched some of my other videos you will hear me talk about it.
What do you think happens when you have a head unit like Kenwood, Pioneer, Sony etc…and go analog out into your DSP…Multiple conversions. This doesn’t matter at all when you’re using the Flagship products like an SP2000, SP3000, FiiO M17, and all the other hi end DAP’s.
What do you think most people that competed used for their source 5-6 years ago…Sony’s RSX-GS9. They all ran it into their DSP’s via analog, not digital…So once again multiple conversion but it sounded better which is the key.
When you are going to the extreme hi end for DAP’s multiple conversions will definitely not matter and you won’t have any noise whatsoever as they are as dead silent as can be.
I will also add, digital is not digital as almost all of the products I have tested sound different which I also talk about a lot in my videos. Go on DYI and most will tell you a $25 product will sound the same as a $5,000 product 😆 Easy to test if you have multiple pieces of equipment or some DAP’s.
Ok, you convinced me. And yes I did get all my info from diyma lol I’ll try to check out your relevant videos, if you could give me some titles I’ll watch them. Thanks for the reply.
@@Randommemes741 The videos say exactly what I just said.
Hello I have zapco 16 and was wondering how do you get the AK to play I'm not getting any sound except Bluetooth but I got the audio quest cinnamon like you did and my settings are highlighted on the configuration page of the dsp and lil display but no sound. Do I have to use line out on my SE180 and plug into the digital input of the dsp or do I plug it in inputs 7 and 8 on the input side of the dsp. Well I haven't seen any installs or tutorials on the innanet
My dsp ultra has the USB adapter... Is that the best way to get the highest quality sound into the system? I'm not very knowledgeable, but want to buy the right music player... should I get the M11 plus? It's been a couple years since you made this video... what do you recommend I do today? Thanks! I assume the Bluetooth adapter is far inferior to the usb adapter sound quality? I really don't understand what you mean by using analog? Confused... I just want someone to tell me what to get and ull just buy it lol ty.
Depending on what your budget is, you might want to wait for the FiiO M11s as it should be coming out any day now. I have seen one English review so far and a couple of unboxings.
I currently have the FiiO M17 but it’s $2500 CAD where as the FiiO M11 Plus LTD and ESS are about $1,000 CAD. My guess is the FiiO M11s will be about $600-650 CAD (Canadian Dollars).
Connection wise if you go with any of the M11’s, you would run it coaxial digital which will give you the best connection possible (Better than USB or Bluetooth).
The Bluetooth Hec module is a nice option to have now since you can tune with it without having to plug in a USB cable.
@@CarAudioHorizons I can get the M11 plus for $700....if it's better than the s, I'll probably just get it.
@@CarAudioHorizons I purchased the M11 plus... I have to listen to your video again but wasn't sure if you mentioned what type of cable I use if I go analog out of it like you were saying? It's hard to find a digital coaxial cable that is 20+ feet. My DSP is in the back of the Mini Van
@@purebloodnaturalimmunity1995 I have the Audioquest cinnamon coaxial digital cable, but I also have the Bluejeans coaxial digital cable as well which is a lot cheaper but is stiff so harder to install.
You can order both on Amazon
hi sir,just abit question im not so understand,for a m11 plus connect to dsp using coaxial digital?? how to connect coaxial digital between the fiio m11 plus to dsp? do i need a converter for it?
The Fiio DAP’s come with a coaxial digital adapter so then you just need to buy the right length coaxial digital cable. There available on Amazon
@@CarAudioHorizons thanks so much for the explanation,what coaxial cable would you recomend to buy it?i mean what brand,i wish at my country have sell.
@@samtham8788 I use Audioquest but I also have Bluejean ones as well as they’re cheaper but are stiff so harder to install.
@@CarAudioHorizons thanks so much for the recommendation,maybe i will look a little longer one cable,because my dsp is install at the rear of trunk car.
@@samtham8788 Mine is in the back as well that’s why I use a 5 meter coaxial digital cable.
Mate... I heard u will do a review of Fiio M11s... Im really waiting for it because i wanna get Fiio M11s or Fiio Btr7 :)
Yes, I was really looking forward to it, until I found out it doesn’t come with the coaxial digital adapter which I though was strange. Those are extremely hard to find and I have no clue why Fiio wouldn’t include that in like they have with every other DAP.
A lot of people buy these to use in their car audio systems and most use the coaxial digital output into their DSP’s so that’s a big L in my book.
For those that only use it for headphones then that doesn’t really matter.
So will see…
@@CarAudioHorizons yes.. As long as i know some new mid end DAP only got jack analog output... Connected to RCA in is the only way...
I have DSP ultra .. thinking to buy fiio for coxial is input !! Now I am using factory apple carplay but thinking if it is worth the upgrade
It depends on which Fiio DAP you get. Unfortunately this year the Fiio DAP’s are not up to par compared to the previous years unless you go to the Fiio M17 as the Fiio M11 Plus LTD is no longer available.
The FiiO M11s wasn’t the greatest out of the coaxial digital output as I just did the review on that.
There is the FiiO M15s coming out in January so hopefully the sound signature is better on that.
@@CarAudioHorizons that is the problem..I was thinking to buy fiio M11 plus's Ess version but I would miss Akm but people say it is not much of a difference but I need DAP that can play coxial to DSP ultra
@@17shakil The only Fiio DAP that I never did a review on was the FiiO M11 Plus ESS. That being said I had quite a few people that commented in the comments section that they preferred the FiiO M11 Plus LTD over the ESS as some bought both and then returned the ESS version.
I’m currently testing the S.M.S.L PO 100 Pro that works with your phone so stay tuned for that review as so far it sounds better than the FiiO M11s. It has both optical and coaxial digital outputs
I have JACK 3.5mm to RCA audioquest cable connected from M11PLUS to my JL audio DSP VXI.
If I activate the option in Fiio of SPDIF OUT, it does not give me sound.
I only have sound if I leave it with the option: "PO", with the option "LO" I also have sound.
But I see that you with spdif if you have sound. How do you get that? What am I failing at?
PLEASEEEE
I’m only running my system digitally as in I use my Fiio M11’s coaxial digital output. So I select the SPDIF on the Fiio M11.
You’re using the Fiio M11 Plus so you would use exactly what you selected on the Fiio M11 plus PO.
Just remember that you first have to test the Fiio M11 Plus on where it distorts at. Then set you gains appropriately on your amps/dsp. Then finally you will have to tune your system.
Without everything I mentioned above done correctly then you will get sound but not the best sound possible.
I’ll be doing the exact same thing when I get my Fiio M11 Plus.
@@CarAudioHorizons
Yes, they already calibrated it, based on the distortion of the fiio.
In conclusion you tell me that I should leave it in PO?
The spdif out shouldn't I use it? It is not better? I don't know how to use it anyway.
@@encisobravo1 If using analog you have to select PO. If using digital, meaning you’re using a coaxial digital cable then you would select SPDIF.
When you tested the Fiio M11 plus what volume level did it distort at?
@@CarAudioHorizons I don't know at what volume it distorts. that was done by the specialist. :( I'll ask him. What digital cable do I need to be able to use spdif? you can attach amazon link. por favor.
@@encisobravo1 You must know where it distorts at as that’s what your volume level on the Fiio would always be at.
For cables I use the Audioquest cinnamon coaxial digital cable
im getting the fiio m11 plus soon and running analog based off your recommendations and I was wondering if I would be fine getting the helix dsp.3 instead of the helix ultra? Because if im using the dacs on the fiio m11 plus using analog then why would I need the ultra besides more channels?
Go with the new Helix DSP.3S as it has both optical toslink and coaxial digital inputs just in case you decide to use those as well.
@@CarAudioHorizons
Hello there how are you
Question
I want to buy a new processor
I’m now using the dm810 audiocontrol
And want to upgrade
I thought on the zapco Z8 IV-II
Or the helix Dsp 3s
Or the helix dsp pro mk2
What’s you’re advice?
Please let me no
Regards
Stefan
@@81stefan1 Either the Zapco or the new .3s would be what I would go with if you only need 8 channels. I like the fact that the .3s has both Coaxial digital and toslink, where as the Zapco just has toslink so for that part I give it to the Helix. I have heard the highest end Zapco is supposed to be a little more musical than the Helix or Brax hi end DSP’s especially with the newer DAC’s, but I’m not sure about the two units your looking at as the specs wise the Helix DSP.3s edges it out by a bit. it’s also pretty hard to beat the flexibility of the Helix software. I like the controller of the Zapco a little better as it’s smaller but the Helix Director is also good. You can’t go wrong with either but the Helix is newer and has better specs as well as the better software so as long as you have someone that knows how to use it and tune a system properly I would go with the Helix DSP.3s. On a side note I have had my Helix DSP Ultra for almost a year now and no issues whatsoever, it works just as good now as the day I bought it, same with the director.
@@CarAudioHorizons
Thank you for you’re opinion
Is the helix dsp 3s a better processors then the dm810?
Is it a big upgrade 🤔
@@81stefan1 I would say it is as the specs are better and the software is superior. But at the end of the day it’s going to come down to who is going to tune your vehicle. I’m lucky I’m only 3 hours from the North American Helix/Brax/Match distributors.
I probably wouldn’t buy the DSP.3s if I already spent about the same $$$ on the audio control. I would just wait until the next best thing comes out.
What inputs are you using for analog?
On the Helix DSP Ultra I use the G & H inputs if I’m running my FiiO M17 analog (3.5 Out) (Enhanced Over The Ear Mode or just Over The Ear Mode).
@@CarAudioHorizons Thank you. Keep up with the great videos
@@CarAudioHorizonshola suena mejor por entrada analógico que por bt aptx? Gracias
We would love to see your dsp settings on your laptop 😻
Please make a video of that if possible
I definitely will, as I was going to last night but my spouse lost my laptop cord😆 I have to go to memory express today to buy a new one. Don’t asked my how you lose a laptop cord lol
@@CarAudioHorizons 😅😅😅🧡🧡🧡
The new Fiio is the M15. I think you mixed it up. Maybe I am wrong though.
Nice video.
I have a dsp pro and I am also looking at the M15.
Which equipment are you using for your audio measurement?
The Fiio M15 is old, came out the Same year 2019 as the M11 and M11 pro. The Fiio M11 Plus just came out in June of this year.
@@CarAudioHorizons Oh. Thanks. I need to change my reading glasses and start looking at the M11 Plus.
@@1segzyo471 The specs are pretty insane on it, and it’s the only Fiio player that plays Apple Music, which I like now that it’s hi res lossless.
Does fiio m11 plus have usb audio output?
@@asgard420 Yes
It seems like you've got a good grasp on modern technology. I do not. Help me out. I just made an appointment to have a Helix DSP Mini installed, with a HEC BT card and a Conductor. This will feed JL XD amplifiers and Audiofrog drivers, all the way around. The Helix Dsp Mini has RCA inputs, Highlevel inputs and an Optical input. I'll be keeping my OEM headunit, using highlevel inputs for phone, GPS, etc. I was told the HEC BT provided much better audio than my OEM unit and was the way to go. It does seem like a solid solution for daily driving, but I thought I might like something better for critical listening, so I've been researching DAPs... this DSP doesn't have a Coaxial input. How screwed am i?
Check out the review I did on the WiiM Mini streamer as it sounds really good if you use it’s Optical Output. The only negative is you would use data as it’s a streamer but it’s the best sounding device I have heard with an iPhone or iPad. ua-cam.com/video/UKfDZWPhkY8/v-deo.html
Also check out my Topping D10S Review as that would be another option if you’re going with a wired connection and then optical out into your Helix DSP. ua-cam.com/video/9R_Yh-kQH5I/v-deo.html
Both of these devices you can use your phone or iPad/Tablet with them.
There’s a few other reviews I have did as well that would work.
As for a DAP they’re great but for most of the mid priced ones you want to connect via coaxial digital, then the flagships you can run analog. Astell & Kern have a few DAP’s that have optical outputs but most of the companies are coaxial digital outputs.
When you say analog you mean 3.5 to rca?
Yes, but I was guessing back then for this particular DAP. Coaxial digital is the way to go for the FiiO M11 Plus. The M17 on the other hand I use it analog 3.5 to RCA’s
Ehh features are features. TA is TA, parametric is parametric. Regardless of brand if they have the same specs/features it doesn't matter. Next we'll hear about directional RCA's 🤷
You haven’t a clue what you’re talking about and if you tested gear you would know everything is different when it comes to sound. Obviously you’re clueless and a TROLL 😈 That’s ok as it’s like 1 in every 100-200 people. You have a great UA-cam channel full of nothing but playlist of other peoples music videos lol. Yup definitely a TROLL!!😈
Hola conectado via jack 3.5 a rca en la entrada analógico del dsp sonaria mejor que bt aptx? Gracias
This all depends what you are using as a source but generally anything wired is going to sound better than Bluetooth even if it’s LDAC.
@@CarAudioHorizons hola fuente fiio m6 directo a dsp alpine pxe-x09 gracias!! Lo puse por analógico suena si mejor más nítido