You can purchase the RTX 4060 laptop here: chadcomputers.com?sca_ref=6824607.l6DDBtaxrO Keep in mind that this analysis is building atop the foundation laid on the 'Origins of Marika & Radagon' analysis. Especially regarding the consequences of the Giant's war, the vengeance that motivated the 'champion' who led the Castle Morne rebellion. Remember that he was defeated by Godfrey at the end and this person's identity as Radagon is directly foreshadowed in the Brick hammer description and Irina's words along with the Chinese 1.0 description of 'Sword of Night and Flame'. Watch that video in its entirety to get a stronger grasp of the Gate of divinity and Radagon/Marika dynamic discussed in this analysis. Much love, Ontos
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But Radagon can't be a Fire Giant, he's an aspect of the Empyrean Marika. In the Q&A section of the second official strategy guide, when talking about Ranni's multiple faces Miyazaki explains "...similar to how Queen Marika and Radagon are one being, it touches on the nature of Empyreans and the multiple different aspects they can possess." Taking this statement and applying it to every Empyrean we meet, the multiple aspects appears to manifest as being a Multi-person. Malenia has a handful of other selves that we befriend and fight, Miquella had St. Trina, Marika had Radagon, and we never got to see Ranni's other self since she killed her body before we met her. Though on quiet nights I have wondered if "Renna" WAS her other self. That aside, if this is the case as it seems to be, Marika was born with Radagon as one of her aspects so he would be a Numen. I don't really recall any mentions about Radagon in the actual war against the Giants. As a matter of fact, the first time he pops up on the narrative timeline based on in game item descriptions is the Liurnian Wars. Of course it is possible there is something I missed. The item associating his hair with Giant's hair does not actually say he was a giant. It simply says all Giants have Red hair and Radagon despised that he had red hair and regarded it as a curse. Something that seems to be "assumed" on many folks' part is that ONLY giants have red hair but we know that isn't the case by looking at Dung Eater or the fact that Radagon is literally not giant sized and has red hair. Basically, he's mad he's being associated to something he is not aligned to but because he has a feature that people often associate to that other group they, not unlike yourself, assume he is a giant and it makes him mad. I can't explain why a Zamor has his scarseal aside from it just being given. I can't explain why a Misbegotten Leonine has the Golden Order Greatsword or how (based on how the timeline is presented) Death Knights who serve Godwyn even got in the Land of Shadow. These are things From has intentionally left without answers at this point.
@@Writh811 The text based evidence regarding Chinese 1.0 description is supporting the Red braid description which is currently in game "Giant fire" is directly used to describe Radagon. Also I never refuted Marika and Radagon to be one beings. Just like trina and miquella, they are one. But as we saw with the DLC, they can "separate"into.2 bodies and this is where these 4 scarseals and soreseals make better sense. When you see them as individuals both branded with the "seal" of Elden beast's divinity and godhood.
@@Ontos99 I'm not convinced by a description that was changed and written in a language none of the creative minds (GRRM and Fromsoft) behind the project speak. Then there is the matter that it was likely changed for a reason. Perhaps its inaccuracy? The root of the disagreement is also in that, I don't believe Radagon was ever his own person prior to Marika. He wasn't a giant on the mountains who changed sides. Marika is to Radagon as Malenia is to Millicent. Millicent actually has a really good dialogue that even helps us get into Radagon's head, especially if you take it with all that "hero aspiring to be complete stuff". Check Millicent's dialogue from the Prayer Room Grace in Elphael. Read it as if Radagon is saying it and every reference to Malenia should be read as Marika. Ditch the restoring dignity junk, he wanted order. The thing that caused her to lose that sense of order, that likely broke Radagon off, was raising to meet the Fell God's measure.(we know Marika herself is credited with its defeat.)
@@Writh811 I guess the problem is that this is not a Chinese 1.0 thing, in the game that you played, red braid description needs to be explained and the conclusion is that Radagon is related to fire giants. Even if you read that as "Fire giants cursed radagon" (which is not a good interpretation since the red hair is the focus of the sentence) you still have to concede Radagon is a fire giant NOW. See, the problem is that there is no way to escape the fire giant connections even if you were to completely deny and ignore the Chinese 1.0 description. Red braid needs to be explained in all theories for them to be internally consistent Furthermore,you need to explain why this zamor had access to Radagon's scarseal. The giants war is the strongest explanation as described in this theory I proposed. Please tell me your alternative explanation for Zamor and the scarseal. Much love
there is something about Radagon that i still don't understand, why is he so small as a fire giant? there is any item or enviromental lore that explains this? or maybe small fire giants like radagon were not that rare? the base character template of the northener says "Some say they're descended from giants" which is the only hint i can found in game but still it doesn't clarify if they are a mix of fire giants and tarnished and even less about radagon itself, and for fire giant descendants they are the trolls but radagon is a fire giant not a descendant of them, and for what i understood in your previous video radagon has looked always the way it is, marika didn't alter his form or nothing like that
Well, as I said in the Origins of Marika and Radagon video, these two are special. They have been fractured into duality by the Greater will when the existence ensued via the One great. Mercury and Sulphur. Ice and Fire. Marika and Radagon were inherently special beings that had the potential to become the 'complete rebis' that were to produce 'unalloyed gold' as referred to in alchemy. Although Miquella was the result of the successful union, there won't be any other Radagon or Marika. Radagon was ironically a small fire giant relative to his giant brothers and Marika was one of the more talented shamans in her Numen people. Both of them (in my headcannon) were distinguished beings in some shape or form but their true godhood would only be apparent with an outer god. In this case, Elden Beast was that final nail in the coffin. As Greater will's vessel beast, he turned Marika into a god with the help of Metyr. Radagon was also there as evident by the existence of his soreseals and scarseals as well. Furthermore, making Radagon into an 'actual giant' would make him hard to implement into the narrative. A humanoid form is much better from a storytelling perspective. In fact, this would also explain Radagon's intellect as he pursued Fundamentalism which was all but scholarship in name (this is an item description). So, if Radagon was as 'giant' as his brothers, he probably wouldn't have this human mind and intellect. So I think it was good he was a small-statured giant man lol
Furthermore, Radagon being a northerner is not a bad inference. It is possible. But are Northerners all red haired? Maybe. Maybe not. The character creation screen shows a white-ish haired man while the Numen preset shows a similar hair colour to Marika. I feel like there is a more direct connection to Fire giants, rather than being a relative descendant. But we can technically say that maybe these northerners existed at some point along with Radagon (as an offshoot of the fire giants) and were all killed in the giant's war by Marika and Godfrey with the sole survivor being Radagon. It is a possibility ;))
Dungeater’s sword is the spine of an undersized giant that was supposedly seen as inferior by his kin. As far as I know that’s the only other mention of an undersized giant in the game… which might have some strange implications? Could be Milos was another unrelated small giant, but it seems to me there’s gotta be some connection.
@@drowsypangolin Yes. Thats a good point. There are far stranger things in this world than a "small giant' which the game's logic already allows for with this item description
there was prob some fire giant in the jar marika was stuffed into. Just another entity forced upon marika during the jar ritual, along with animals, other ppl etc. she just wants to shed these characteristics from herself, as she did not chose to become formed in such a way.
So you believe this Zamor warrior beat Radagon long ago and took his Scarseal as a trophy? I believe that may be so, but the reason the Zamor is in an Evergaol is to further protect the secret that Radagon is Marika. If it was just vengeance, Radagon would have killed the Zamor instead of locking them away. Radagon leaves them in the Evergaol because anyone seeking his secrets would have to go through an added layer of security, with the Zamor still alive attacking anyone who enters their prison. There could be other reasons why the Zamor has the Scarseal, but I like your ideas and I agree that Radagon is a Fire Giant.
@@BLK_MN Actually that sounds backwards to me. If radagon knew this Zamor had his scarseal, he would not imprison her BEFORE confiscating his eye. Furthermore, Radagon as a lord would not kill this Zamor out of revenge because in golden order fundamentalism tenets (casuality and regression) all actions have thsir consequences and considering they are in amicable terms with Zamors in Marika's age (they live in Zamors town far.north), Radagon would imprison her instead. Unlike.most people believe, Radagon is not a dogmatic brutal or.unreasonable person. He literally created the spells of fundamentalism the philosopher Goldmask subscribes to. It is only fair that as a lord of Marika, he has his own pride and would prefer to see this Zamor at least imprisoned rather than doing stuff freely. That sort of ego comes with the territory I guess for all rulers. Imprisoning her while KNOWING she has the scarseal makes no sense. At least he would take the scarseal if he knew about it. It is safer with him in his eye socket or person then anyone else. Even if imprisoned. In my version, Radagon doesnt know she was the one who took his scarseal. He only knows she was the one who bested her. Hope this makes sense. The logic is strong in this version and gels well with everything else imo. But please let me know your thoughts if it makes sense
@@Ontos99 Radagon was all about keeping secrets, even sewing the mouths shut on the Preceptor masks to symbolize silence. If he did not know this Zamor had the Scarseal, imprisoning this specific Zamor in an Evergaol is excessive. Radagon had motive to keep the Zamor sealed away, but also to keep the Scarseal hidden. With the Zamor in the Evergaol, they cannot escape and tell anyone about Radagon's secrets. And nobody else *except* Radagon knows about the Zamor possessing the Scarseal, making it even more secure leaving it with them. The only way someone could find the Scarseal would be to defeat the Zamor warrior, and it's likely that people in the Lands Between know to stay away from Evergaols because of their reputations as almost inescapable prisons or containing highly dangerous people that are best left undisturbed.
@@Ontos99 Basically, the Scarseal is more secure with the Zamor because Radagon is probably the only one that knows it it there. So even if you were trying to uncover Radagon's secrets, you wouldn't know the Scarseal was in the Evergaol until after you happened to find it after defeating the Zamor. The Evergaols likely have a reputation or propaganda about them that people will stay away from them, in fear of being trapped, or unleashing a dangerous entity.
This is why all throughout human history people wrote and spoke about the feeling of living in a simulated reality. Plato has the Cave Allegory, we have The Matrix, but its all the same idea being restated in seperate cultural / historical contexts. Ancient civilizations had their own forms of escapism and distraction like the Colloseum, but the issue comes when you mistake the constructed reality for truth. It's nothing but a reflection of truth against a black mirror; a shadow of reality.
I was doing a deep-dive on hair colour in Elden Ring recently, and I think there's something important about white hair in ER. I don't think we can assume all white-haired characters/NPCs started out with white hair. See the Sombre Smithing Stone: "Shard of smithing stone drained of color." and the Eclipse Shotel: "Storied sword and treasure of Castle Sol that depicts an eclipsed sun drained of color." The stealing/erasure of colour from something represents a change in its fundamental nature. In summary, I think whenever we see anything white in ER, we should ask, was it a different colour before? If so, what does this signify?
I would posit that the scar and soreseals are not literally eyes for two reasons. One is that there are two sets of eyes that represent both Marika and Radagon, a being sharing a body (as I believe Radagon was created *within* Marika by the Greater Will, his red hair coming from a curse placed on Marika) would not need four eyes. Two, these seals are created/crafted and then granted to people like Messmer. I would posit that the Zamor knight is possibly the lord of Castle Morne, with Radagon granting him a scarseal as proof of his ownership over the castle
@@blakebailey22 The item description says 'eye' in regards to these seals. If you posit Radagon and Marika as two people as I do in the origin timeline, the four eyes makes perfect sense. 2 for Marika and 2 for Radagon. When they congeal into a single body, whomever is "in charge" at that point in time is reflected their eyes if.you will. We've learned.in this dlc how these are eyes of godhood as also evident by Messmer' broken one trying to supress the abyssal serpent Again 4 eyes is harder to explain in a permanent single body 'Radika" but it makes perfect sense in a separate origin story discussed in this analysis. After all, you need to explain how this Zamor accessed Radagon's scarseal. If you believe that to be true and how marika and radagon were at the same body, it directly contradicts the lore. We know for a fact that Marika.led the battle against the giants, telling godfrey to brandish the elden ring. So this would pose an unsolvable problem for a permanent "Radika" theory if we accept this Zamor had taken Radagon's scarseal as a memento of her victory (which is clearly the most fitting conclusion considering fire giants and zamors were at war and the latter had won) Let me know your thoughts if this makes sense. Much love
@@blakebailey22 how would this Zamor knight be a lord of castle morne when their base of operations and Zamor town are on the far edge of north. Neither Godfrey nor Radagon (in their lord reigns) would allow a zamor to lead castle morne where misbegottens were mistreated. Furthermore, this Zamor wasnt found inside Castle morne but imprisoned in an evergoal in Weeping Peninsula. This means if someone imprisoned her here, it is most likely Radagon (since there is an antagonist relationship) rather than Godfrey. Again the conclusion kinda comes back around the giants and zamors war and Radagon obviously exacting his revenge with the evergoal makes a lot of sense still
How did you write an entire video on Zamor's foresight on political survival just because ice storm spell require high intelligence? That's some strong association fallacy right there.
@@JefferyStock-g2z The logic rest on how did this Zamor access Radagon's scarseal evident by the title of this video. I suggest not reading the comments and actually watching the video ;) Feel free to give me your more probable alternative theory if it exists
@@Ontos99 Your logic is sound within the theory that you yourself came up with, but only within your own story. It is still a poor theory and not very compelling. I watched the entire video and read all your responses and they're full of slippery slope fallacy and hasty generalization fallacy. I have yet to see a good theory on this, specifically on why this lone Zamor is in the southern most part of the map when all the rest are basically in one location. The proximity of the Evergaol to Castle Morne doesn't really explain it well. I will let you know when I find one.
@@DoctorPecker I dont think Zamor mini boss in an evergoal specifically dropping Radagon's seal is "random because it is just a game" It means something and it tells a story that intimately links Radagon to Fire giants. The red braid description and 1.0 Chinese text is a tastement to that story to boot.
This makes no sense, Radagon is the one that defends the Golden Order and the Erdtree while Marika is trying to destroy it. That's the reason she's crucifixed and impaled inside the tree. Also, Radagon is not resistant to fire as you would expect from a member of the giant race.
After Radagon becomes one with Marika, it is only fair that he is no longer resistant to fire. Also this Giant's war is waaay before Radagon's Golden order fundamentalism. There is a reason why Marika is holding Godfrey's hand in marriage. They don't see eye to eye at this point in time. Furthermore, let me know how this Zamor accessed Radagon's scarseal in your theory. As to the fire giant Radagon, the Chinese 1.0 description + Red braid is very strong to argue against as I explained in the video. Much love,
@@Ontos99 My theory is completely different, in my opinion Radagon was a warrior who died and was put into the jar with Marika, then she became a saint, St.Trina in her adult form to be more precise. And then she ascended to the highest rank in Hornsent society and was permitted to meet the Serpent God, which she seduced, has a son with (Messmer), then she killed the god on suggestion of the two fingers with the help of Malekith and became the Eternal. Only after, when her power weakene Radagon personality started to emerge, leading to him becoming Rennala's husband, then getting rid of Godfrey and having children with Marika, which at this point was completely subjugated to him. She then creates a whole plot to destroy the elden ring and get rid of him with the complicity of Miquela and the tarnished. Ranni simply destroys their plan killing only partially Godwyn that was supposed to be Miquela's lord and they opt for Rhadan instead. The serpent god is what makes the giants fire giants. His fire lives on in Messmer, who is, in fact, capable of burning the scadutree. And Messmer is resistant to fire, as he should. If you think about it, Rykard has been trying to imitate what her mother did the whole time. Probably Tanith was from the shadow lands and told him the whole story.
@@lupinsensei7456Says Onto's theory makes no sense but then puts forth a theory that actually makes no sense and is almost 100% speculation but says it as if an NPC in game just exposition dumped it all. 😂
Wasn't Radagon explicitly described as a champion of the golden order during the giant war? Also, why reference a literally non-cannon version of the game in a language that is neither the language of choice for the spoken dialogue, English, or the original language of Japanese? The description of the sword of night and flame being completely different and not implying Radagon was a giant at all seems to weaken rather than strengthen your argument. Your assertion that Radagon fought on the side of the giants is literally entirely unsupported by anything. The idea that Radagon, the noted biggest supporter of Golden Order fundamentalism, secretly held this deep hatred of the golden order is kind of nonsensical when taken with the reality that all of Radagon's actions that we have definitive proof of and not headcannon are in favor of the golden order. Even the shattering itself, Radagon was trying to repair the elden ring, and by extension the golden order. I'm only 5 minutes in and I think I'm going to stop there, as it seems the entire foundation of your theory is based on entirely unsubstantiated headcannon.
@@Satsaru Unsubstantiated? I have provided 2 text based evidence that literally says "giant fire" in one and "red braid" on the other that you get from a fire giant boss fight. Both of which specifically refer to "Radagon" in text. I feel like this is more "cannon" than whatever other alternative that you'd propose which would have no text based support. (Unless of course you have) I hope you realize that this video is explaining precisely why this Zamor has accessed Radagon's scarseal. Because fire giants and Zamors were in war since time immemorial and we know that thanks to Marika's troops Zamors won the battle. These are all factual and text based evidences Im providing. I'd like to request similar text based evidence or at least insuniations to support your alternative theory. Let me know your thoughts. Much love,
@@Satsaru And no. Radagon was described as a champion in the Liurmian wars, not in Giant's war. I strongly suggest watching the origin of marika and radagon video which explains said battle in detail. These are surely complicated topics which is why I emphasized a few times in the video how important watching the origin timeline video to get some of the details in place for this analysis. Let me know your thoughts if you watch it
@@Ontos99 Well, firstly, the giant's braid can be read as Radagon either having been cursed by the giants, or that the red hair is a trait of giants which would mean that Radagon would be one. This is contradicted by, what you also agreed as most likely, that Radagon is a being that split from Marika during her ascension. Marika isn't a giant, but a Numen, so there is no logical reason to conclude that Radagon would be spawned from marika, whole cloth, as a very small giant. The scar/sorseals are described as being granted to those chosen by the gods. That means that Radagon charged him with a duty. That much I don't contest, obviously. My issue is that you seem to assert that Radagon was fighting against Marika during the Giant war and seem to have no evidence to support this aside from your assertion that Radagon is a giant. Even if we grant your theory of Radagon being a giant, despite seemingly having been directly spawned from Marika, that would not mean that he charged this specific Zamor warrior with defending the Giants in a battle against Marika as you suggest. My theory is that Radagon, who is described as a champion of the golden order in just about every mention of him at least from the Liurnia war onwards and a golden order fundamentalist in just about every incantation mentioning him, gave the Zamor warrior a seal because they were both aligned with Marika and in battle against the Giants. I'm _pretty sure_ that Radagon is mentioned as a champion of the golden order during the giant's war, but I can't remember what description I got that from. I'm not about to crack open the Wiki and go digging just for this comment, but I can acknowledge that may be incorrect at worst and apocryphal at the very least. I suppose it's less of a specific theory, and more so me just saying that the core of your theory contradicts much of the other passive evidence we have about his character, origins, and motives. That being said, I can recognize that this is likely not a great place for this, since this is a theory that builds off of another video of yours, whose premise I'm not convinced of.
@@Satsaru No I didn't say Marika and Radagon split 'during ascension' at the gate of divinity. Please watch this video in its entirety or the Origin timeline video to not misrepresent my arguments. Thanks. I also didn't say Radagon 'charged this Zamor warrior with defending the Giants'. It is clear you have not watched the video. Furthermore, Radagon is regarded to be a champion in Liurnian wars, not giant's war. This is not a theory. It is fact so feel free to double check.
@@Ontos99 During ascension and at the gate of divinity is rather splitting hairs and the distinction doesn't seem to affect either of our arguments. If I misinterpreted what you were implying about the Zamor warrior, fair enough, and had already admitted that I was unsure of I remembered when in the timeline Radagon was referenced as a champion of the golden order. Regardless, you have sidestepped most of the core of my issues with your argument which doesn't incline me to watch any more of your lore theories. Respectfully, I will just have to agree to disagree. Best of luck on the channel, however, it's always nice to see a discussion channel with good production come up in the community, even if I may disagree with a theory.
I'm sorry you really lost me with this one, there's just too much leaps between ideas... Jumping from Zamor's high intelligence gathered from the icestorm spell and immediately relating that to them able to adapt their political environment and prevail is really a huge leap. Although Radagon's lineage with the fire giant seems definitive, we still have no concrete proof from game text/dialogue that he was part in the war of the fire giants. Same with relations between Radagon and Zamor...although we know a connection exist between the two (same walking animation, scar seal...) the exact relation still seem out of grasp. Even though I understand what you're trying to imply with the Vietnam lesson and applying to the Zamor, all of this really seems like fan fic to me with so many leaps between in-game texts than a concrete interpretation that everyone can automatically agree. Sorry, looking forward to your next video.
No problem. Let me explain the reasoning as it rests on a very concrete foundation. This logic arises out of explaining 'how' this Zamor accessed Radagon's scarseal. Why does she have this? Since we've already strongly established Radagon is related to fire giants using 2 separate text-based item descriptions + other insuniations, the investigation immediately turns to the war between Zamors and Fire giants. Radagon's scarseal is in the possession of this Zamor because Radagon WAS in that battle and Giant's war as we know for a fact, the Fire giants were defeated. (thanks to Marika and Godfrey's aid) This means Radagon was defeated which is precisely why this Zamor (the opponent who bested him) scooped up his eye as a memento of her victory which is why we find it in her belongings after our duel. If you posit that Radagon 'didnt' fight against the Zamors/Marika's troops as a fire giant, then you are left without an explanation for how this Zamor had accessed Radagon's scarseal. Furthermore, keep in mind that 'high intelligence' is a supplementary evidence I put forth to make it clear Zamor's HAD an edge in Fire giant's war and we know that they have utilized a political alliance to not only survive but best their primordial enemies, giants. Their high intelligence and use of frost magic (which alludes to Carians) are a tastement to their vision and strategical prowess. If they weren't more adaptable, they would be one of the many races who were killed throughout history. I hope these are nice add ons. It is very important to explain why this Zamor had Radagon's scarseal and this explanation I put forth in this episode is logically consistent and motivational sound considering Radagon will go to lead the Castle Morne rebellion (the script regards this person to have 'vengeance'). Well how do you explain this 'vengeance' Radagon 'supposedly' has? No worries. This theory makes room for that as well. Radagon was betrayed by Marika/Godfrey troops and their kin, his fire giant brothers were all murdered. It is ONLY fair that Radagon is filled with vengeance. This is an idea that I've extensively explored in my 'Origins of Marika and Radagon' video. (giving further connections with brick hammer and Irina's words) I highly suggest you at least rewatch that part of the video again to refresh the logical continuation. 'The vengeance' that led to Castle Morne rebellion is one of the motivational dynamics of this theory discussed in this video. It all fits to paint a greater narrative as all the item descriptions fit in this puzzle piece. Much love,
@@Ontos99 lmao you literally just copy and pasted your entire video again in this reply. You gotta admit like the guy above says that you took some really huge leaps in your reasonings
@@JefferyStock-g2z let me know precisely what "leaps" are we talking about here. I have explained the logic carefully in this comment. I have 2 text based item descriptions supporting the theory. Keep that in mind
@@Ontos99 There are three sets of items with text related to the Zamor: the armor, the spell/skill, and the sword. From which we gather that the Zamor were mortal enemies from time immemorial that fought against the fire giants, gained renown, and hailed as heroes (presumably from Marika's side). Sure the spell required high-ish intelligence, but it implies nothing regarding their vision beyond the battlefield, or their view on politics and culture, or their broader context in choices/actions. Their survival post war does not automatically lead to some definitive grand strategy or political moves or their ability to harness the relationship between events. In fact we were told that they were mortal enemies since time immemorial, implying period at least earlier than Marika's conflict with the fire giants. The fact you spent at least a third of the video on the war just to show something we have no in-game text to prove really shows a huge leap in your reasonings connecting the entire theory.
@@JefferyStock-g2z 'Their survival post war doesnt lead to some grand strategy'? Are you sure about that? If not for Marika and Godfrey alliance, Zamor's would not only be able to beat the fire giants but probably be bastardized eventually by the Golden order regime. Their alliance is what saved them. They were able to see more than the 'battle' to win the war. Again, make sure to explain in 'your better theory' how this Zamor accessed Radagon's scarseal. There is no stronger theory than tying it back to giants and Zamor's battle. Point blank but feel free to share your ideas.For you to be able to say 'it is a leap', I'd need for you to provide a stronger theory that is insuniated by the text which is the case in my theory.Keep that in mind. Much love,
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Keep in mind that this analysis is building atop the foundation laid on the 'Origins of Marika & Radagon' analysis. Especially regarding the consequences of the Giant's war, the vengeance that motivated the 'champion' who led the Castle Morne rebellion. Remember that he was defeated by Godfrey at the end and this person's identity as Radagon is directly foreshadowed in the Brick hammer description and Irina's words along with the Chinese 1.0 description of 'Sword of Night and Flame'.
Watch that video in its entirety to get a stronger grasp of the Gate of divinity and Radagon/Marika dynamic discussed in this analysis.
Much love,
Ontos
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But Radagon can't be a Fire Giant, he's an aspect of the Empyrean Marika. In the Q&A section of the second official strategy guide, when talking about Ranni's multiple faces Miyazaki explains "...similar to how Queen Marika and Radagon are one being, it touches on the nature of Empyreans and the multiple different aspects they can possess." Taking this statement and applying it to every Empyrean we meet, the multiple aspects appears to manifest as being a Multi-person. Malenia has a handful of other selves that we befriend and fight, Miquella had St. Trina, Marika had Radagon, and we never got to see Ranni's other self since she killed her body before we met her. Though on quiet nights I have wondered if "Renna" WAS her other self. That aside, if this is the case as it seems to be, Marika was born with Radagon as one of her aspects so he would be a Numen.
I don't really recall any mentions about Radagon in the actual war against the Giants. As a matter of fact, the first time he pops up on the narrative timeline based on in game item descriptions is the Liurnian Wars. Of course it is possible there is something I missed. The item associating his hair with Giant's hair does not actually say he was a giant. It simply says all Giants have Red hair and Radagon despised that he had red hair and regarded it as a curse. Something that seems to be "assumed" on many folks' part is that ONLY giants have red hair but we know that isn't the case by looking at Dung Eater or the fact that Radagon is literally not giant sized and has red hair. Basically, he's mad he's being associated to something he is not aligned to but because he has a feature that people often associate to that other group they, not unlike yourself, assume he is a giant and it makes him mad.
I can't explain why a Zamor has his scarseal aside from it just being given. I can't explain why a Misbegotten Leonine has the Golden Order Greatsword or how (based on how the timeline is presented) Death Knights who serve Godwyn even got in the Land of Shadow. These are things From has intentionally left without answers at this point.
@@Writh811 The text based evidence regarding Chinese 1.0 description is supporting the Red braid description which is currently in game
"Giant fire" is directly used to describe Radagon. Also I never refuted Marika and Radagon to be one beings. Just like trina and miquella, they are one.
But as we saw with the DLC, they can "separate"into.2 bodies and this is where these 4 scarseals and soreseals make better sense. When you see them as individuals both branded with the "seal" of Elden beast's divinity and godhood.
@@Ontos99 I'm not convinced by a description that was changed and written in a language none of the creative minds (GRRM and Fromsoft) behind the project speak. Then there is the matter that it was likely changed for a reason. Perhaps its inaccuracy?
The root of the disagreement is also in that, I don't believe Radagon was ever his own person prior to Marika. He wasn't a giant on the mountains who changed sides. Marika is to Radagon as Malenia is to Millicent. Millicent actually has a really good dialogue that even helps us get into Radagon's head, especially if you take it with all that "hero aspiring to be complete stuff". Check Millicent's dialogue from the Prayer Room Grace in Elphael. Read it as if Radagon is saying it and every reference to Malenia should be read as Marika. Ditch the restoring dignity junk, he wanted order. The thing that caused her to lose that sense of order, that likely broke Radagon off, was raising to meet the Fell God's measure.(we know Marika herself is credited with its defeat.)
@@Writh811 I guess the problem is that this is not a Chinese 1.0 thing, in the game that you played, red braid description needs to be explained and the conclusion is that Radagon is related to fire giants. Even if you read that as "Fire giants cursed radagon" (which is not a good interpretation since the red hair is the focus of the sentence) you still have to concede Radagon is a fire giant NOW.
See, the problem is that there is no way to escape the fire giant connections even if you were to completely deny and ignore the Chinese 1.0 description. Red braid needs to be explained in all theories for them to be internally consistent
Furthermore,you need to explain why this zamor had access to Radagon's scarseal. The giants war is the strongest explanation as described in this theory I proposed. Please tell me your alternative explanation for Zamor and the scarseal. Much love
I love you diving into history like this. Pls Moar! Brilliant video! EldenTales will love this one!
Hope he sees it and lets me know his thoughts. This was an interesting subject to research for me. Glad you liked it
Well, I don’t know about your lore theory, but five stars for sneakily weaving in the tet offensive. Good stuff.
Well don't worry. The lore theory is also very solid ;)) But hey! I might be a tad bit biased. Glad you liked it
What is the music you used during the history portion?
there is something about Radagon that i still don't understand, why is he so small as a fire giant? there is any item or enviromental lore that explains this? or maybe small fire giants like radagon were not that rare? the base character template of the northener says "Some say they're descended from giants" which is the only hint i can found in game but still it doesn't clarify if they are a mix of fire giants and tarnished and even less about radagon itself, and for fire giant descendants they are the trolls but radagon is a fire giant not a descendant of them, and for what i understood in your previous video radagon has looked always the way it is, marika didn't alter his form or nothing like that
Well, as I said in the Origins of Marika and Radagon video, these two are special. They have been fractured into duality by the Greater will when the existence ensued via the One great.
Mercury and Sulphur. Ice and Fire. Marika and Radagon were inherently special beings that had the potential to become the 'complete rebis' that were to produce 'unalloyed gold' as referred to in alchemy.
Although Miquella was the result of the successful union, there won't be any other Radagon or Marika. Radagon was ironically a small fire giant relative to his giant brothers and Marika was one of the more talented shamans in her Numen people. Both of them (in my headcannon) were distinguished beings in some shape or form but their true godhood would only be apparent with an outer god. In this case, Elden Beast was that final nail in the coffin. As Greater will's vessel beast, he turned Marika into a god with the help of Metyr.
Radagon was also there as evident by the existence of his soreseals and scarseals as well. Furthermore, making Radagon into an 'actual giant' would make him hard to implement into the narrative. A humanoid form is much better from a storytelling perspective. In fact, this would also explain Radagon's intellect as he pursued Fundamentalism which was all but scholarship in name (this is an item description).
So, if Radagon was as 'giant' as his brothers, he probably wouldn't have this human mind and intellect. So I think it was good he was a small-statured giant man lol
Furthermore, Radagon being a northerner is not a bad inference. It is possible. But are Northerners all red haired? Maybe. Maybe not. The character creation screen shows a white-ish haired man while the Numen preset shows a similar hair colour to Marika.
I feel like there is a more direct connection to Fire giants, rather than being a relative descendant. But we can technically say that maybe these northerners existed at some point along with Radagon (as an offshoot of the fire giants) and were all killed in the giant's war by Marika and Godfrey with the sole survivor being Radagon. It is a possibility ;))
Dungeater’s sword is the spine of an undersized giant that was supposedly seen as inferior by his kin. As far as I know that’s the only other mention of an undersized giant in the game… which might have some strange implications? Could be Milos was another unrelated small giant, but it seems to me there’s gotta be some connection.
Radagon is half giant half zamor imho
@@drowsypangolin Yes. Thats a good point. There are far stranger things in this world than a "small giant' which the game's logic already allows for with this item description
I forgot this was an Elden Ring video and not a Vietnam War lore video 🤣🤣🤣
there was prob some fire giant in the jar marika was stuffed into. Just another entity forced upon marika during the jar ritual, along with animals, other ppl etc. she just wants to shed these characteristics from herself, as she did not chose to become formed in such a way.
So you believe this Zamor warrior beat Radagon long ago and took his Scarseal as a trophy?
I believe that may be so, but the reason the Zamor is in an Evergaol is to further protect the secret that Radagon is Marika.
If it was just vengeance, Radagon would have killed the Zamor instead of locking them away. Radagon leaves them in the Evergaol because anyone seeking his secrets would have to go through an added layer of security, with the Zamor still alive attacking anyone who enters their prison.
There could be other reasons why the Zamor has the Scarseal, but I like your ideas and I agree that Radagon is a Fire Giant.
@@BLK_MN Actually that sounds backwards to me. If radagon knew this Zamor had his scarseal, he would not imprison her BEFORE confiscating his eye.
Furthermore, Radagon as a lord would not kill this Zamor out of revenge because in golden order fundamentalism tenets (casuality and regression) all actions have thsir consequences and considering they are in amicable terms with Zamors in Marika's age (they live in Zamors town far.north), Radagon would imprison her instead. Unlike.most people believe, Radagon is not a dogmatic brutal or.unreasonable person. He literally created the spells of fundamentalism the philosopher Goldmask subscribes to.
It is only fair that as a lord of Marika, he has his own pride and would prefer to see this Zamor at least imprisoned rather than doing stuff freely. That sort of ego comes with the territory I guess for all rulers.
Imprisoning her while KNOWING she has the scarseal makes no sense. At least he would take the scarseal if he knew about it. It is safer with him in his eye socket or person then anyone else. Even if imprisoned. In my version, Radagon doesnt know she was the one who took his scarseal. He only knows she was the one who bested her.
Hope this makes sense. The logic is strong in this version and gels well with everything else imo. But please let me know your thoughts if it makes sense
@@Ontos99 Radagon was all about keeping secrets, even sewing the mouths shut on the Preceptor masks to symbolize silence.
If he did not know this Zamor had the Scarseal, imprisoning this specific Zamor in an Evergaol is excessive. Radagon had motive to keep the Zamor sealed away, but also to keep the Scarseal hidden.
With the Zamor in the Evergaol, they cannot escape and tell anyone about Radagon's secrets.
And nobody else *except* Radagon knows about the Zamor possessing the Scarseal, making it even more secure leaving it with them. The only way someone could find the Scarseal would be to defeat the Zamor warrior, and it's likely that people in the Lands Between know to stay away from Evergaols because of their reputations as almost inescapable prisons or containing highly dangerous people that are best left undisturbed.
@@Ontos99 Basically, the Scarseal is more secure with the Zamor because Radagon is probably the only one that knows it it there.
So even if you were trying to uncover Radagon's secrets, you wouldn't know the Scarseal was in the Evergaol until after you happened to find it after defeating the Zamor.
The Evergaols likely have a reputation or propaganda about them that people will stay away from them, in fear of being trapped, or unleashing a dangerous entity.
This is why all throughout human history people wrote and spoke about the feeling of living in a simulated reality. Plato has the Cave Allegory, we have The Matrix, but its all the same idea being restated in seperate cultural / historical contexts. Ancient civilizations had their own forms of escapism and distraction like the Colloseum, but the issue comes when you mistake the constructed reality for truth. It's nothing but a reflection of truth against a black mirror; a shadow of reality.
Cool video. I enjoyed the detour into real world history. Seems like Radagon (and the power of Faith) ended up winning in the end, though 😆
As described in the Origins of Marika and Radagon video, Radagon won in the end but with a lot of strife and struggle. Give my boy a medal already!
I was doing a deep-dive on hair colour in Elden Ring recently, and I think there's something important about white hair in ER. I don't think we can assume all white-haired characters/NPCs started out with white hair. See the Sombre Smithing Stone: "Shard of smithing stone drained of color." and the Eclipse Shotel: "Storied sword and treasure of Castle Sol that depicts an eclipsed sun drained of color." The stealing/erasure of colour from something represents a change in its fundamental nature. In summary, I think whenever we see anything white in ER, we should ask, was it a different colour before? If so, what does this signify?
Nice. Let me know your research when you release it
I would posit that the scar and soreseals are not literally eyes for two reasons. One is that there are two sets of eyes that represent both Marika and Radagon, a being sharing a body (as I believe Radagon was created *within* Marika by the Greater Will, his red hair coming from a curse placed on Marika) would not need four eyes. Two, these seals are created/crafted and then granted to people like Messmer. I would posit that the Zamor knight is possibly the lord of Castle Morne, with Radagon granting him a scarseal as proof of his ownership over the castle
@@blakebailey22 The item description says 'eye' in regards to these seals. If you posit Radagon and Marika as two people as I do in the origin timeline, the four eyes makes perfect sense. 2 for Marika and 2 for Radagon. When they congeal into a single body, whomever is "in charge" at that point in time is reflected their eyes if.you will.
We've learned.in this dlc how these are eyes of godhood as also evident by Messmer' broken one trying to supress the abyssal serpent
Again 4 eyes is harder to explain in a permanent single body 'Radika" but it makes perfect sense in a separate origin story discussed in this analysis.
After all, you need to explain how this Zamor accessed Radagon's scarseal. If you believe that to be true and how marika and radagon were at the same body, it directly contradicts the lore.
We know for a fact that Marika.led the battle against the giants, telling godfrey to brandish the elden ring. So this would pose an unsolvable problem for a permanent "Radika" theory if we accept this Zamor had taken Radagon's scarseal as a memento of her victory (which is clearly the most fitting conclusion considering fire giants and zamors were at war and the latter had won)
Let me know your thoughts if this makes sense. Much love
@@blakebailey22 how would this Zamor knight be a lord of castle morne when their base of operations and Zamor town are on the far edge of north.
Neither Godfrey nor Radagon (in their lord reigns) would allow a zamor to lead castle morne where misbegottens were mistreated. Furthermore, this Zamor wasnt found inside Castle morne but imprisoned in an evergoal in Weeping Peninsula.
This means if someone imprisoned her here, it is most likely Radagon (since there is an antagonist relationship) rather than Godfrey.
Again the conclusion kinda comes back around the giants and zamors war and Radagon obviously exacting his revenge with the evergoal makes a lot of sense still
How did you write an entire video on Zamor's foresight on political survival just because ice storm spell require high intelligence? That's some strong association fallacy right there.
@@JefferyStock-g2z The logic rest on how did this Zamor access Radagon's scarseal evident by the title of this video. I suggest not reading the comments and actually watching the video ;) Feel free to give me your more probable alternative theory if it exists
@@Ontos99 Your logic is sound within the theory that you yourself came up with, but only within your own story. It is still a poor theory and not very compelling. I watched the entire video and read all your responses and they're full of slippery slope fallacy and hasty generalization fallacy. I have yet to see a good theory on this, specifically on why this lone Zamor is in the southern most part of the map when all the rest are basically in one location. The proximity of the Evergaol to Castle Morne doesn't really explain it well. I will let you know when I find one.
@@JefferyStock-g2z Sure, let me know when you find a better theory
@@DoctorPecker I dont think Zamor mini boss in an evergoal specifically dropping Radagon's seal is "random because it is just a game"
It means something and it tells a story that intimately links Radagon to Fire giants. The red braid description and 1.0 Chinese text is a tastement to that story to boot.
This makes no sense, Radagon is the one that defends the Golden Order and the Erdtree while Marika is trying to destroy it. That's the reason she's crucifixed and impaled inside the tree. Also, Radagon is not resistant to fire as you would expect from a member of the giant race.
After Radagon becomes one with Marika, it is only fair that he is no longer resistant to fire. Also this Giant's war is waaay before Radagon's Golden order fundamentalism. There is a reason why Marika is holding Godfrey's hand in marriage. They don't see eye to eye at this point in time.
Furthermore, let me know how this Zamor accessed Radagon's scarseal in your theory.
As to the fire giant Radagon, the Chinese 1.0 description + Red braid is very strong to argue against as I explained in the video. Much love,
@@Ontos99 My theory is completely different, in my opinion Radagon was a warrior who died and was put into the jar with Marika, then she became a saint, St.Trina in her adult form to be more precise. And then she ascended to the highest rank in Hornsent society and was permitted to meet the Serpent God, which she seduced, has a son with (Messmer), then she killed the god on suggestion of the two fingers with the help of Malekith and became the Eternal. Only after, when her power weakene Radagon personality started to emerge, leading to him becoming Rennala's husband, then getting rid of Godfrey and having children with Marika, which at this point was completely subjugated to him. She then creates a whole plot to destroy the elden ring and get rid of him with the complicity of Miquela and the tarnished. Ranni simply destroys their plan killing only partially Godwyn that was supposed to be Miquela's lord and they opt for Rhadan instead.
The serpent god is what makes the giants fire giants. His fire lives on in Messmer, who is, in fact, capable of burning the scadutree. And Messmer is resistant to fire, as he should. If you think about it, Rykard has been trying to imitate what her mother did the whole time. Probably Tanith was from the shadow lands and told him the whole story.
@@lupinsensei7456Says Onto's theory makes no sense but then puts forth a theory that actually makes no sense and is almost 100% speculation but says it as if an NPC in game just exposition dumped it all. 😂
But there is overwhelming evidence that supports radagon being a giant
@@joshuawilson9005 Like what ? being tall ? Rennala is tall, is she a giant too ? Having red hair? Is Messmer a giant too ?
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@@OscarTheStrategistRadaGOAT - the gigachad of tragedy :))
If you don't bring up the phoenix program
Wasn't Radagon explicitly described as a champion of the golden order during the giant war? Also, why reference a literally non-cannon version of the game in a language that is neither the language of choice for the spoken dialogue, English, or the original language of Japanese? The description of the sword of night and flame being completely different and not implying Radagon was a giant at all seems to weaken rather than strengthen your argument. Your assertion that Radagon fought on the side of the giants is literally entirely unsupported by anything. The idea that Radagon, the noted biggest supporter of Golden Order fundamentalism, secretly held this deep hatred of the golden order is kind of nonsensical when taken with the reality that all of Radagon's actions that we have definitive proof of and not headcannon are in favor of the golden order. Even the shattering itself, Radagon was trying to repair the elden ring, and by extension the golden order. I'm only 5 minutes in and I think I'm going to stop there, as it seems the entire foundation of your theory is based on entirely unsubstantiated headcannon.
@@Satsaru Unsubstantiated? I have provided 2 text based evidence that literally says "giant fire" in one and "red braid" on the other that you get from a fire giant boss fight. Both of which specifically refer to "Radagon" in text. I feel like this is more "cannon" than whatever other alternative that you'd propose which would have no text based support. (Unless of course you have)
I hope you realize that this video is explaining precisely why this Zamor has accessed Radagon's scarseal. Because fire giants and Zamors were in war since time immemorial and we know that thanks to Marika's troops Zamors won the battle. These are all factual and text based evidences Im providing.
I'd like to request similar text based evidence or at least insuniations to support your alternative theory. Let me know your thoughts. Much love,
@@Satsaru And no. Radagon was described as a champion in the Liurmian wars, not in Giant's war. I strongly suggest watching the origin of marika and radagon video which explains said battle in detail. These are surely complicated topics which is why I emphasized a few times in the video how important watching the origin timeline video to get some of the details in place for this analysis.
Let me know your thoughts if you watch it
@@Ontos99 Well, firstly, the giant's braid can be read as Radagon either having been cursed by the giants, or that the red hair is a trait of giants which would mean that Radagon would be one. This is contradicted by, what you also agreed as most likely, that Radagon is a being that split from Marika during her ascension. Marika isn't a giant, but a Numen, so there is no logical reason to conclude that Radagon would be spawned from marika, whole cloth, as a very small giant.
The scar/sorseals are described as being granted to those chosen by the gods. That means that Radagon charged him with a duty. That much I don't contest, obviously. My issue is that you seem to assert that Radagon was fighting against Marika during the Giant war and seem to have no evidence to support this aside from your assertion that Radagon is a giant. Even if we grant your theory of Radagon being a giant, despite seemingly having been directly spawned from Marika, that would not mean that he charged this specific Zamor warrior with defending the Giants in a battle against Marika as you suggest.
My theory is that Radagon, who is described as a champion of the golden order in just about every mention of him at least from the Liurnia war onwards and a golden order fundamentalist in just about every incantation mentioning him, gave the Zamor warrior a seal because they were both aligned with Marika and in battle against the Giants. I'm _pretty sure_ that Radagon is mentioned as a champion of the golden order during the giant's war, but I can't remember what description I got that from. I'm not about to crack open the Wiki and go digging just for this comment, but I can acknowledge that may be incorrect at worst and apocryphal at the very least.
I suppose it's less of a specific theory, and more so me just saying that the core of your theory contradicts much of the other passive evidence we have about his character, origins, and motives. That being said, I can recognize that this is likely not a great place for this, since this is a theory that builds off of another video of yours, whose premise I'm not convinced of.
@@Satsaru No I didn't say Marika and Radagon split 'during ascension' at the gate of divinity. Please watch this video in its entirety or the Origin timeline video to not misrepresent my arguments. Thanks.
I also didn't say Radagon 'charged this Zamor warrior with defending the Giants'. It is clear you have not watched the video.
Furthermore, Radagon is regarded to be a champion in Liurnian wars, not giant's war. This is not a theory. It is fact so feel free to double check.
@@Ontos99 During ascension and at the gate of divinity is rather splitting hairs and the distinction doesn't seem to affect either of our arguments. If I misinterpreted what you were implying about the Zamor warrior, fair enough, and had already admitted that I was unsure of I remembered when in the timeline Radagon was referenced as a champion of the golden order.
Regardless, you have sidestepped most of the core of my issues with your argument which doesn't incline me to watch any more of your lore theories. Respectfully, I will just have to agree to disagree. Best of luck on the channel, however, it's always nice to see a discussion channel with good production come up in the community, even if I may disagree with a theory.
I'm sorry you really lost me with this one, there's just too much leaps between ideas... Jumping from Zamor's high intelligence gathered from the icestorm spell and immediately relating that to them able to adapt their political environment and prevail is really a huge leap. Although Radagon's lineage with the fire giant seems definitive, we still have no concrete proof from game text/dialogue that he was part in the war of the fire giants. Same with relations between Radagon and Zamor...although we know a connection exist between the two (same walking animation, scar seal...) the exact relation still seem out of grasp. Even though I understand what you're trying to imply with the Vietnam lesson and applying to the Zamor, all of this really seems like fan fic to me with so many leaps between in-game texts than a concrete interpretation that everyone can automatically agree. Sorry, looking forward to your next video.
No problem. Let me explain the reasoning as it rests on a very concrete foundation. This logic arises out of explaining 'how' this Zamor accessed Radagon's scarseal. Why does she have this?
Since we've already strongly established Radagon is related to fire giants using 2 separate text-based item descriptions + other insuniations, the investigation immediately turns to the war between Zamors and Fire giants. Radagon's scarseal is in the possession of this Zamor because Radagon WAS in that battle and Giant's war as we know for a fact, the Fire giants were defeated. (thanks to Marika and Godfrey's aid)
This means Radagon was defeated which is precisely why this Zamor (the opponent who bested him) scooped up his eye as a memento of her victory which is why we find it in her belongings after our duel.
If you posit that Radagon 'didnt' fight against the Zamors/Marika's troops as a fire giant, then you are left without an explanation for how this Zamor had accessed Radagon's scarseal. Furthermore, keep in mind that 'high intelligence' is a supplementary evidence I put forth to make it clear Zamor's HAD an edge in Fire giant's war and we know that they have utilized a political alliance to not only survive but best their primordial enemies, giants.
Their high intelligence and use of frost magic (which alludes to Carians) are a tastement to their vision and strategical prowess. If they weren't more adaptable, they would be one of the many races who were killed throughout history.
I hope these are nice add ons. It is very important to explain why this Zamor had Radagon's scarseal and this explanation I put forth in this episode is logically consistent and motivational sound considering Radagon will go to lead the Castle Morne rebellion (the script regards this person to have 'vengeance').
Well how do you explain this 'vengeance' Radagon 'supposedly' has? No worries. This theory makes room for that as well. Radagon was betrayed by Marika/Godfrey troops and their kin, his fire giant brothers were all murdered. It is ONLY fair that Radagon is filled with vengeance. This is an idea that I've extensively explored in my 'Origins of Marika and Radagon' video. (giving further connections with brick hammer and Irina's words)
I highly suggest you at least rewatch that part of the video again to refresh the logical continuation. 'The vengeance' that led to Castle Morne rebellion is one of the motivational dynamics of this theory discussed in this video. It all fits to paint a greater narrative as all the item descriptions fit in this puzzle piece. Much love,
@@Ontos99 lmao you literally just copy and pasted your entire video again in this reply. You gotta admit like the guy above says that you took some really huge leaps in your reasonings
@@JefferyStock-g2z let me know precisely what "leaps" are we talking about here. I have explained the logic carefully in this comment. I have 2 text based item descriptions supporting the theory. Keep that in mind
@@Ontos99 There are three sets of items with text related to the Zamor: the armor, the spell/skill, and the sword. From which we gather that the Zamor were mortal enemies from time immemorial that fought against the fire giants, gained renown, and hailed as heroes (presumably from Marika's side). Sure the spell required high-ish intelligence, but it implies nothing regarding their vision beyond the battlefield, or their view on politics and culture, or their broader context in choices/actions. Their survival post war does not automatically lead to some definitive grand strategy or political moves or their ability to harness the relationship between events. In fact we were told that they were mortal enemies since time immemorial, implying period at least earlier than Marika's conflict with the fire giants. The fact you spent at least a third of the video on the war just to show something we have no in-game text to prove really shows a huge leap in your reasonings connecting the entire theory.
@@JefferyStock-g2z 'Their survival post war doesnt lead to some grand strategy'? Are you sure about that?
If not for Marika and Godfrey alliance, Zamor's would not only be able to beat the fire giants but probably be bastardized eventually by the Golden order regime. Their alliance is what saved them. They were able to see more than the 'battle' to win the war.
Again, make sure to explain in 'your better theory' how this Zamor accessed Radagon's scarseal. There is no stronger theory than tying it back to giants and Zamor's battle. Point blank but feel free to share your ideas.For you to be able to say 'it is a leap', I'd need for you to provide a stronger theory that is insuniated by the text which is the case in my theory.Keep that in mind. Much love,
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Radagon is not a giant.
@@NOVAROMA753BC let me know how you describe those item 2 descriptions that reference Radagon in relation to fire giants.
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He could be half-giant, or descended from giants. He is quite tall.