Thank you so much for 2k subscribers! This isn't the special though, on Saturday I will make a vid announcing some plans for videos and other things related to the future of the channel! :) I didn't talk too much about Othinus herself in the video as I'm saving her for her own character analysis video. But I will say something I forgot to mention in the video. It is quite interesting that from Othinus' perspective, the world we are used to in Toaru she sees as no different to the worlds she has created, as she wants to restore her preferred phase. It blurs the line between what world is truly the genuine one, is there such a thing as a world that isn't fake? Just some interesting questions for you. Hope you all enjoyed the video, please share and subscribe if you are new!
I like how this is technically Kamijou Touma’s character analysis part 2 continuation from your earliest videos in disguise as a NT9 philosophy trip of a video.
I really like when misaka 1031 (will of misaka network) said. “If everyone remembered the original world, everyone who was saved here would be unable to accept losing you /return. “
Think I cried around the chapter when Othinus hands Touma the knife to kill himself with this whole volume like you said was just braking down Touma's character. It was so deep and emotional it really holds a special place in my heart. Oh and congrats on 2K can't wait for that channel update!
God, it was so good. It teaches me that it's ok to be little selfish. Recently I became selfless person who doesn't love who love himself. I decided that it's ok to be little selfish. It's was ok for me to drive my brother's car back again. I already caused trouble for him, but he was doing it for my own benefit
@@AeonofHorus so you saying that world othinus create are nothing more But illusion because she can cantrol there Will and there lives and fate make her ideals wrong because if someone not Happy and feel pain like Touma that prove There is no perfect world
I read index since the NT was starting to release, since english is not my main language, index is really hard to read sometimes due to some words. Sometimes i even stop my reading for 1-2 years and struggle to remember what happened sometimes (i'm currently when some human nor demon becomes female). But NT9 is always on my mind. Its the only volume that i read twice. I loved how Touma was struggling and the battle against Othinus. Just 2 people wanting to return to the world they came from. Masterpiece.
Just wanted to mention, as we all know, that Will-tan pushed Touma to this realization. As she stated, if she said she will dissappear/case to be the one she is now as her foundation in the Misaka Network changed to him, Touma would have fought for her instead for himself.
I just finished reading the arc and one of the first things I wanted to do right after was to watch this video! Actually amazing. I've been taking philo classes for the past few months and I love how this video connected what I've learned so far with NT 9. I also like how you talked about the impact of the volume given OT 1. I kinda missed out on those points while reading, so watching this made the volume even better than I already thought. Great job man.
This was an amazing breakdown video and sums up why Touma is one of my favorite protagonists of all time. It'd be cool to see you analyze NT22R one day. There was a lot to uncover about Touma's character there too.
This arc really compete for my most favorite arc in the entire series touma's character development and also each character in this arc have their own belief/ideals that they want to fight for. That even you will also question yourself if you really are on the right path or not
I'm glad you reached 2k subscribers finally great analysis on the Othinus arc and Touma. That arc and the Aleister Crowley arc are my favorite parts of New Testament. Also I'm looking forward to your next video ;)
Amazing! Thank you for making this! I am an anime only viewer who only recently bought the LNs but not read them yet. I initially viewed Touma as just a generic shounen protagonist but after seeing videos like yours and reading wikis about him, I am amazed by how much depth he has and how well the overall story is written. I cannot wait to read the books.
how did you even get this information at, like dang, How?? That is awesome like seriously, I never knew it was possible for a fictional story to be so deep. Awesome video, I enjoyed it so much.
And then we can enjoy watching JC Staff butcher the entire adaption while making another great Railgun season, bless ! But to be real, great video, still one of my favourite arcs out of any light novel i've read and seeing people talk about it is always a joy : )
According to them they rushed OT for NT. Idk bout you but if it means better production quality I'm all for it. Edit: I regret making this comment. This is my new one, I'm fucking done with Raildex Anime.
Well,jc staff adaptation is always a hit or miss.as someone who is familiar with jc staff work,what I see is jc staff didn't scared to try something new but this good thing sometime backfired to them. it always 50/50 for their action anime.i just hope they don't repeat the mistake of index 3 but at least they done a really good job on railgun T.
@@kamirator9215 yeah it's that I don't want to experience what older fans who were hyped up for index 3 experienced If they gave it adaptation like railgun t it would be good Or a better studio who would adapt LN series would be better Railgun is easy to adapt because it has manga to follow and small cast but index with large cast is difficult to adapt
@@ProhibitedIndex666 exactly,I hope other studios will adapt index one day and I still fine if jc staff still adapting railgun since they already got used to it.just want to ask,what is the best studio that you think is a best choice for adapting index?
@@kamirator9215 yeah if they continue doing railgun it would be good they get better every season I think white fox studio which is adapting re zero would be great for index anime adaptation
I haven't even watched all the anime yet because I forgot where I left it off but this anime or ln is I think one of the most deep because it was being limited by it's very complex power system and balancing system it is so good that it should be limiting the story but it's story is still so awesome, you can't just like the anime you'll love the entire series.
30/05/21. I Watched This Video 5 Times Today. First I Watched A Music Video About The NT9 And I Was Like 'Huh ? Why Did He Become A Villain ?' The Words Were Writing On That Video And Me Thinking 'Is That Why He Became A Villain ? Because He Was No Longer Needed ? Was He Being Antagonized Or Something ?' I Was Trying To Find Answers And I Couldn't Find Anything, Until I Saw This Video. Now I Understand Why Touma Was Down, Lonely And Selfless. I Also Understand Why Touma Is Fighting The World And Even His Friends. This Is Just Harsh Man. I Feel Depressed About It Too. But Good Video BTW.
I Could Guarantee That Happyness Can Sometimes Be Flawed. Back In The Day When I Was A Kid, It Was A Normal Day And I Was Happy. Now Looking Back Into It, It Was Short. Because Now I Am Living In Depressing Situations Where I Can't Have Peace, Can't Rest, Because I Must Work Such As, You Know, HOMEwork. And I Can't Leave Because I Must Finish School And I Hated School.
You Know What Made Me So Depressed, Is That I'm In A Country That Is Utterly Forgettable And When I Look At Other Countries, Here Looks Nothing Like Those Other Countries And I Was Questioning Myself "Was I Born In The Wrong Place, Wrong Time, Wrong Country ?" Those Were My Questions.
I also really like how the Omega phase in Index is very similar to the Eye of the Moon Plan from Naruto. Nearly final antagonists wanting to destroy the current world and make an utopia with 0 pain, suffering and loss but effectively removing free will from the process. The difference obviously being that Madara and Obito truly wanted it but didn’t achieve it while Othinus just made it to break Touma and did in fact achieve it. Both series have great philosophical themes and both are great series written by really talented and passionate authors. Thanks for this video Aeon.
As I remembered a TAMNI character like her, in other words: she's another one these direct workers of the *[Sword Logic].* got it. [narrows eyes at the image of her now]
Touma is someone who will be willing to be a villain to save someone, not caring what'll happen to him just so he can see them smile and be happy even if it costing his life(even if he has no idea nor memory of who he once was he wont stop trying to be a complete human
I really love toaru. I really love NT 9. I really love this video. Btw, I would really appreciate if u could do a similar video, but about Aleister's arc :)
As usual... My analysis of touma character is always different from other people and i am kind of ashamed that i still believe my analysis is more correct than yours when you know so much more than i do (i agree on the philosophy part, the touma character analysis part i don't). On alpha world, touma didn't break because he always follow his heart and not out of good and evil and if that ended up touma being painted as villain by everyone then that's the price he's willing to pay. Of course he's shaken by how much suffering his friend and the whole of Japan has to suffer so he's doubting his action but again taking it in the context of finding a solution to the problem he caused and not of him being shaken that he's considered evil in this world and is trying to convince other (aogami especially) that he's a good person. On beta world, touma didn't break because he figured out othinus malice but he didn't figure out an answer to it. That's why othinus consider him too much of an idiot to understand the problem she presented (he's not he just dodged the issue). The first time he prove othinus wrong in which she admitted it herself is that othinus stated there's no reason to torment brand new doll and touma restated it because tormenting that brand new doll is meaningless. Then othinus direct it onto the philosophical part (the actual part of the hell) in which he ask 'who are you?'. Touma at first is at loss and he never did obtain the answer for the philosophical question of what made him kamijou touma. Instead he rely on othinus presence to tell him that he's kamijou touma because there's no reason for her to torture anyone but kamijou touma a point that was made abundantly clear before. So in this hell we don't have touma accept that he's kamijou touma because of his action but rather we see touma character of selflessness in that he's willing to go into any length for no gain on his part. This part specifically distinct him from light novel protagonist who help other because they're a nice person who gloss over gain and loss aka just being nice toward other while touma went into fight out of his ideal (of not wanting other to cry) and that the execution of this ideal doesn't involve it being benefical to him in the slightest. other light novel character simply doesn't like something and thus lend their help and thus just something they do because they have leeway (or not able to prioritize properly) while for touma it's much more close to him and thus he would willingly sacrifice other part of his life. The omega world, touma break not because he no longer has any purpose in his life but because of the self-doubt he had back from Old Testament. He had always acted on the interest of his heart but now that he see how othinus 'saved' other people his doubt (that he accelerated tragedy) resurfaced. He's questioning himself of wether or not what he's doing is right now that he sees the result first hand. He always think that only by being selfless that he had managed to resolve an issue and yet othinus showed him another way. 'What have i been doing all this time?' 'You did well for a mere human. Othinus had taken *one of the purpose* of his life. He can of course get a new purpose now that one of his purpose is fulfilled by someone else but the dilemma come from the fact that he has to choose between himself and other. That's what breaking him, his heart is telling him not to choose to end his life but his mind is telling him to do so. He want to live obviously he want to live he want to have fun with his friend and enjoy his ordinary school life and the very act of suicide would prevent him to do so, on the other hand he had lived his life trying to help other and had made it his way of life (beta world) and it's only natural for him to give up his life for the sake of many. You can even say that at this point in time othinus had indeed understood him of the contradiction of the boy known as kamijou touma who believe he's just an ordinary high school students (his wish) and as someone safe other so that nobody else experience the misfortune he feel (his ideal) and thus pitting his ideal against his wish. Honestly i am not even sure if it's heart vs mind or is it heart vs heart. That's why he break, fulfilling his personal wish would mean to deny his ideal and denying his ideal would mean to betray all those people that he fought for which would have failed his personal wish while to follow his ideal mean to deny his wish.... So yeah in any case he's done for just as he stated in his rant. After the pep talk touma was told that there's really nothing wrong with being selfish for once hence why he's confronting othinus. It's not that he's going there to die but rather just to pit himself against othinus in the same way that othinus is trying to break touma mind to find out what she want. They're pitting selfishness against selfishness, ideal and wish flying around the battlefield as they try to understand themselves by observing each other (othinus started way before him and touma only starting to understand othinus later).
Understander... That title doesn't refer to the billion of world the two have been together which cause them to understand each other but rather of the time that they had observe each other in order to figure out themselves. Othinus had to ask herself of what she wants and touma stubbornness in wanting to return to his original world represented herself wish to return to her original world. Touma had to ask himself wether to accept the new world and othinus attempt to create a new world represented his own. Touma argue of going back, othinus argue to go forward. The world they come from and the world they want to make may be different but problem is the same. Whatever outcome touma will accept and he's just waiting for othinus to make a decision...
Imagine watching the trash Index anime and then got interested by the last scene of season 3 since Touma wasn't dead.Then proceed to read the NT LN right away but got bored by NT 4 and then suddenly got hit by NT 6-11 which is sooooo good,and then finishes NT 12-22R in a week. This is me before I got into the Index black hole 😂😂 NT9 is so good especially watching Touma having a breaking down makes me love Touma sooooo much more compared when watching the anime
20:25 Not that kind of Objectivist view obviously, though, now that I think about it, it would be interesting to see how a character with that philosophy would live in a world like Toaru.
An excellent video, the only minor disappointment is I thought you were going to continue into the next chapter where Mikoto goes over a similar conversation with him to speak about the philosophy of this world and the value in it, which again broke his will and further made him a whole person.... granted i might be misremembering but who knows.
@@AeonofHorus Indeed, it was very insightful given I havent read OT or most of NT in.... since they first came out? Its what I get for lending my friend my copy then him moving half a continent away, sad times. But yeah, i at least think it could be an interesting part 2 showing the input of others who are also disproving Onithus' world ideals and helping to forge Touma even more.
Its the biggest fear the fandom has, all Index seasons have been pretty much a huge let down compared to the novels making it harder to recommend to other people. Toaru anime is already in a pretty bad/mid spot so if JC also ruins what the community pretty much consents as the best arc theres no turning back unless a remake happens :( althought i would still love to have an OT remake anyway
I have question, what happens if misaka clone dead and what happens to misaka network I think misaka network still alive right? And how about accelelator misaka network caculation ?
Personally, the Anime never do it justice. I do agree that I don't want it to be adapted as I want the volume to remain as a masterpiece forever in the eyes of everyone who read this volume.
Congrats on the 2K subs. It´s a really good video and is even better narrated. Awesome job. The music choice, 10/10 I don´t know the names of most songs, but putting Seika there it´s a good hit. As a detail, it would not be bad to put the names of the songs in the description, in the same way that you put the sources of the images and the information.
Thanks a lot! I actually didn't use Seika in this one, but here's a full song list: Toaru Majutsu no Index II OST 2 - Tada, Sou de aru tame ni Toaru Majutsu no Index II OST 2 - Tada Hitazura ni To Aru Majutsu no Index OST 2 - Sorezore no Omoi To Aru Majutsu no Index OST 2 - Kokoro ni To Aru Majutsu no Index OST 2 - Majutsu Kessha To Aru Majutsu no Index OST 2 - Torimodose nai Mono To Aru Majutsu no Index OST 2 - Negatta Mono To Aru Majutsu no Index OST 2 - Zetsubou Toaru Majutsu no Index II OST 2 - Yoake
As someone who dislike NT9 this was an amazing vid Aeon! My reasons for disliking NT9 is not because I think it's a bad vol or anything (It's a great one in fact) but because Othinus makes me sick. As someone who tries his best to do good in the world, I understand the world will never be perfect, there will always be good and evil long after I have gone and I will make mistakes in life and be selfish at times, but that's fine if done in a balance manner. The reason it makes me sick is that even a God or The Devil as no right to treat the world and life itself as a toy. If a God wishes to control the world and take away people's free will he or she should fall, no matter how crazy surpassing a God in power sounds. If the Devil wishes to destroy the world and make people suffer he should also fall. Othinus played both roles in NT9, by making Touma suffer, destroy the world over and over again and then created a world with no free will. To me, that is what I call pure evil and while NT9 is an amazing vol it will always disgust me she got away with it until she changes her mind after Touma dies and later turn into a fairy in NT10.
I understand why you’d think that and this shows how much you care for the series if you can get this emotionally involved, so I think that’s something you should be proud of.
I understand, she did horrendous things to both Touma and the world. Nevertheless, Othinus believes the world that we and the characters are familiar is merely one of many fake ones, and she wants to restore her favourite world that was lost amongst the many layers. I'm not excusing her actions but I can understand why she doesn't see why her actions were wrong until the very end when she realises Touma is much more than a weak human.
@@AeonofHorusMhmm. I think my biggest knock to Othinus is not so much she wanted her old world back, but more so her actions trying to do so. She's willing to take the world of another being away from them to get her favourite back, but how would she like it if the roles were reversed and someone took her favourite world away and then put her in the same shoes as Touma? Othinus has no one to blame but herself for losing her world, if she didn't become Magic God, maybe she would have had her favourite world just a bit longer. Maybe the lesson is to be thankful for what you have and not what you don't have. Maybe the world that we familiar with is fake but then my question would be what is the real world then?
@@callump1996 A very good lesson indeed. To me some people tend to over complicate things with worlds and existent. The answer to your question is in the question itself. The world is whatever you make it up to be. Regardless if it's fake or not, it your real world. There might exist multiple worlds but each of them still holds the claim of real for the people living in them.
@@craytherlaygaming2852 I disagree. 1. How do you know that Touma won't become immortal? if he got that immortality, Othinus punishment would be a joke because she would be the one who can stay his side for the eternity. 2. she does not regret her actions, she helps Touma because he is the most important thing on her life and she was fine if Mikoto and Misaki died even they are important to Touma.
16:51 To everyone who watch this video, I wana clarify something since, I’m Christian myself. Heaven is nothing like the perfect world in toaru majutsu no index. While Heaven is still perfect, God only allows people who follow him to enter Heaven. If people trust and love God loves them in return, no one needs to escape in the first place. While the “Toaru perfect world involves everyone including all sinners, Heaven only includes Christians. Jesus died on the cross for everyone to repent without giving a sacrifice. We are eternally saved by him and he has achieved victory over sin. Even though we are not perfect, we are perfect through God. Heaven and hell are also very very different. While Christians enjoy eternal life in heaven, people who don’t believe suffer in hell. I hope this gives more of an inside view to Christianity.
What is the meaning to life without suffering or hardship? An eternal life where you have nothing to strive towards because the world is already perfect. While it isn't exactly like heaven as it is the hell for Kamijou Touma, for the rest of the world it is as they are reunited with their loved ones and live their ideal lives without end. But they are deprived of their autonomy as a result. Eternal life itself is flawed as a concept as life only has meaning when it has an end. Although the idea of 'heaven' or a paradise after death was common across multiple religions as the life expectancy thousands of years ago was much lower, the standard of life for many was terrible and diseases were more common. So the idea that there would be life after death with no suffering was the hope that people hung onto. And the fact that the fear of the unknown after death is also very common. To have reassurance that there is more to life after death. Also, to say that those don't believe in Christianity should suffer eternally in hell, is very anti-christian. Jesus forgave and loved the worst of society: prostitutes, tax collectors and criminals despite the sins they committed. People make mistakes in life or sometimes commit sins to help others. To say that good people or people who have made mistakes in life and deserve eternal suffering as a result just because they don't believe in God is undeniably evil.
@@AeonofHorus John 4 verse 1-4, 6 -------- ““Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. And you know the way to where I am going.” Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:1-4, 6 ESV www.bible.com/59/jhn.14.1-4,6.esv Mathew 18, verse 10-14 -------------- ““See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven. What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go in search of the one that went astray? And if he finds it, truly, I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine that never went astray. So it is not the will of my Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.” Matthew 18:10, 12-14 ESV www.bible.com/59/mat.18.10,12-14.esv Jesus is the Shepherd and we are the sheep. You are correct when you say Jesus loves all of us unconditionally so he guides us back to the right path. Because he loves us so much, he gives us freedom to choose weather to follow him or not. And the result of the two choices are either Heaven or hell as I told you in my first comment. I really encourage you to pick up a bible for yourself and read it through in detail. (Since you studied religion in all), Maybe you’ll get a better understanding on what Christianity is. I really don’t know what we would do in Heaven besides worship God though, all I know is God might give a person more stuff depending on what they did on earth. I’m sure the “Revelations” can tell you more about it. But in any case it’s just my opinion that Heaven is a great place. Just please think about it more and I’m sure many Christians will be willing to answer your questions (probably even better than me😅) if you ask, Don’t forget Jesus loves you and God bless! Have a great day .👍🏼
Also what was the purpose of the phases in between Beta and Omega phase? Was it to mentally weaken Touma, just for the sake of torturing him or to understand what he fears most?
Yeah it was just to emphasise the mental strain on him leading up to the omega world which is the final nail in the coffin. Obviously Kamachi couldn't show every single phase so just chose three worlds to challenge who Touma is.
i believe othinus tried every way she thought abt or as i think she been through to break his mind but it wasn't enough to do it but she understands him after every world so in the end she figured out what would broke him
The anime will never captured the true beauty & magic of Index Light Novel story, forever. Light novels are simply a whole different medium than the anime.
They already ruined it. It's impossible for anime onlies to properly enjoy the series without the basic lore and character development made throughout old testament. You can't enjoy the last volume of a novel as much as other readers without having read the volumes that came before that first. The toaru anime is already ruined. How can they possibly understand what kind of effect NT 9 had on touma if the anime of old testament never made a good job of showing what kind of person he is?
Ok based on this video onthuis or O is wrong on many things, if she created a different world (the alpha world) it will be pararel universe version of themselves why? because in theory and i think it is also applied in anime, you can't change the past. And the beta world it is also set of different people why? Because past is unchangable and the set of his friends knows who he is and what he did so even O showed that world, a lot of kamijou's already trust him and not everyone can be kamijou touma why? Because each person are different and the other you on the other dimension will never bebe desame person, lastly who tf will pull off the things that touma did? The omega phase is also different set of people they are happy but will the world get better? because the cravings of man is limitless if they don't believe in God or be contented on what they have And they will be stagnant finally there are alot of bad of people so there will be always problem. So the world were offered where contradicting touma's current world and the omega world is a fake world because the history knows kamijou existed. And lastly people can find a lot of purpose in life no matter what situation is. So those world is wrong in many ways.
Wouldnt accelarator come in and kick him back into gear just as touma has repeatedly? Seems accelarator has a special spot for a certain irritating preaching level 0. He will intervene to help touma at some point.
Thank you so much for 2k subscribers! This isn't the special though, on Saturday I will make a vid announcing some plans for videos and other things related to the future of the channel! :)
I didn't talk too much about Othinus herself in the video as I'm saving her for her own character analysis video. But I will say something I forgot to mention in the video. It is quite interesting that from Othinus' perspective, the world we are used to in Toaru she sees as no different to the worlds she has created, as she wants to restore her preferred phase. It blurs the line between what world is truly the genuine one, is there such a thing as a world that isn't fake? Just some interesting questions for you.
Hope you all enjoyed the video, please share and subscribe if you are new!
We need more videos like this. This was great. Do more of these along with character analysis’s.
YESSE CONGRATS
Hey man now i am confused how many light novels has the Anime Covered and how many light novel are they
@@Artoriusstaria1259 all of Old Testament 1-22 is converted into anime. All of New Testament and genesis testament have bot been converted yet
@@humbla7892 thank you
Kindness redeemed a monster,
Love reformed a criminal,
Suffering molded a hero.
Very nice pfp good sir
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Thank you good sir. And it seems you've quite the pfp on you. 👌👌👌
I have to become a hero... I guess.
And the person who helped them reform & redeem is suffering from amnesia and crisis of identity.. 😂
Ah accel, shiage, and touma.
I like how this is technically Kamijou Touma’s character analysis part 2 continuation from your earliest videos in disguise as a NT9 philosophy trip of a video.
That is a good point! That vid is super old and I only covered the bare minimum themes, this definitely is more detail!
Great way to subvert expectations
I really like when misaka 1031 (will of misaka network) said. “If everyone remembered the original world, everyone who was saved here would be unable to accept losing you /return. “
Think I cried around the chapter when Othinus hands Touma the knife to kill himself with this whole volume like you said was just braking down Touma's character. It was so deep and emotional it really holds a special place in my heart. Oh and congrats on 2K can't wait for that channel update!
It is such an impactful volume. Thank you!
Index NT 9 is always a masterpiece that Kamachi ever created. It craves a memorable history of the Toaru Series towards the entire of the fanbase.
For real, such a memorable read.
God, it was so good. It teaches me that it's ok to be little selfish. Recently I became selfless person who doesn't love who love himself. I decided that it's ok to be little selfish. It's was ok for me to drive my brother's car back again. I already caused trouble for him, but he was doing it for my own benefit
@@AeonofHorus so you saying that world othinus create are nothing more
But illusion because she can cantrol there
Will and there lives and fate make her ideals wrong because if someone not
Happy and feel pain like Touma that prove
There is no perfect world
I read index since the NT was starting to release, since english is not my main language, index is really hard to read sometimes due to some words. Sometimes i even stop my reading for 1-2 years and struggle to remember what happened sometimes (i'm currently when some human nor demon becomes female).
But NT9 is always on my mind. Its the only volume that i read twice. I loved how Touma was struggling and the battle against Othinus. Just 2 people wanting to return to the world they came from. Masterpiece.
If othinus arc gets animated perfectly then it's gonna break the internet.
Still waiting for the moment
Indeed
Just wanted to mention, as we all know, that Will-tan pushed Touma to this realization. As she stated, if she said she will dissappear/case to be the one she is now as her foundation in the Misaka Network changed to him, Touma would have fought for her instead for himself.
Will tan taught him that it's ok to be selfish. It's ok for him fight back for the world he shaped.
Who is will-tan ? Will of touma ?
@@trustmewiththesource1934 The Will of the Misaka Network
@@neo-zamato oh so that's what they were referring to okay.....
I never thought I could like this volume even more than I already did, but you somehow managed to break my illusion.
That makes me really happy to hear
Weird thing to say but do you know where to read it
@@Saul-qk9bk well, I do have a link to a google drive, where you could read a it if you want to.
@@Saul-qk9bk This is the link: drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/0BzgU5zBjHxDKTnNyZ3BsY3VmNG8?
But you can also read it on BakaTsuki
I just finished reading the arc and one of the first things I wanted to do right after was to watch this video! Actually amazing. I've been taking philo classes for the past few months and I love how this video connected what I've learned so far with NT 9. I also like how you talked about the impact of the volume given OT 1. I kinda missed out on those points while reading, so watching this made the volume even better than I already thought. Great job man.
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks a lot!
What a masterpiece of a video, I can't thank you enough for making this and like everyone else you made me love the Othinus Arc even more
Thank you! I'm glad you and others feel that way about it ^^
This was an amazing breakdown video and sums up why Touma is one of my favorite protagonists of all time. It'd be cool to see you analyze NT22R one day. There was a lot to uncover about Touma's character there too.
Thanks! I touched upon it in my Shokuhou video but yeah it does deserve a video dedicated to it!
Masterpiece 🙏
too kind ;)
This arc really compete for my most favorite arc in the entire series touma's character development and also each character in this arc have their own belief/ideals that they want to fight for. That even you will also question yourself if you really are on the right path or not
I'm glad you reached 2k subscribers finally great analysis on the Othinus arc and Touma. That arc and the Aleister Crowley arc are my favorite parts of New Testament. Also I'm looking forward to your next video ;)
Thanks!
God dammit I never thought about the philosophy of it, so this was a truly a wake up call for me to see why Index light novel is so good😭
Amazing! Thank you for making this! I am an anime only viewer who only recently bought the LNs but not read them yet. I initially viewed Touma as just a generic shounen protagonist but after seeing videos like yours and reading wikis about him, I am amazed by how much depth he has and how well the overall story is written. I cannot wait to read the books.
Awesome video, makes you truly realize how great written this arc and the different aspects of it actually are.
is this coming in next season?
I enjoy the Othius arc its really good to read and huge charecter development for Touma
I like how when he jump the Misaka admin network scolded him and was a super surprised that he actually jump.
1 year later and this video is still a masterpiece! 🙏
how did you even get this information at, like dang, How?? That is awesome like seriously, I never knew it was possible for a fictional story to be so deep. Awesome video, I enjoyed it so much.
I studied philosophy for a year at university so that helped haha
And then we can enjoy watching JC Staff butcher the entire adaption while making another great Railgun season, bless !
But to be real, great video, still one of my favourite arcs out of any light novel i've read and seeing people talk about it is always a joy : )
According to them they rushed OT for NT.
Idk bout you but if it means better production quality I'm all for it.
Edit: I regret making this comment. This is my new one, I'm fucking done with Raildex Anime.
@@acrsclspdrcls1365 All they really needed was about 5-10 more episodes and the quality of S3 would skyrocket. Let's be real...
Thank you for the video
But I don't want this masterpiece arc to be ruined by jc staff anime adaptation in future
You're welcome and I agree, they are not to be trusted 😂
Well,jc staff adaptation is always a hit or miss.as someone who is familiar with jc staff work,what I see is jc staff didn't scared to try something new but this good thing sometime backfired to them. it always 50/50 for their action anime.i just hope they don't repeat the mistake of index 3 but at least they done a really good job on railgun T.
@@kamirator9215 yeah it's that I don't want to experience what older fans who were hyped up for index 3 experienced
If they gave it adaptation like railgun t it would be good
Or a better studio who would adapt LN series would be better
Railgun is easy to adapt because it has manga to follow and small cast but index with large cast is difficult to adapt
@@ProhibitedIndex666 exactly,I hope other studios will adapt index one day and I still fine if jc staff still adapting railgun since they already got used to it.just want to ask,what is the best studio that you think is a best choice for adapting index?
@@kamirator9215 yeah if they continue doing railgun it would be good they get better every season
I think white fox studio which is adapting re zero would be great for index anime adaptation
I haven't even watched all the anime yet because I forgot where I left it off but this anime or ln is I think one of the most deep because it was being limited by it's very complex power system and balancing system it is so good that it should be limiting the story but it's story is still so awesome, you can't just like the anime you'll love the entire series.
30/05/21.
I Watched This Video 5 Times Today. First I Watched A Music Video About The NT9 And I Was Like 'Huh ? Why Did He Become A Villain ?' The Words Were Writing On That Video And Me Thinking 'Is That Why He Became A Villain ? Because He Was No Longer Needed ? Was He Being Antagonized Or Something ?' I Was Trying To Find Answers And I Couldn't Find Anything, Until I Saw This Video. Now I Understand Why Touma Was Down, Lonely And Selfless. I Also Understand Why Touma Is Fighting The World And Even His Friends. This Is Just Harsh Man. I Feel Depressed About It Too. But Good Video BTW.
I Could Guarantee That Happyness Can Sometimes Be Flawed. Back In The Day When I Was A Kid, It Was A Normal Day And I Was Happy. Now Looking Back Into It, It Was Short. Because Now I Am Living In Depressing Situations Where I Can't Have Peace, Can't Rest, Because I Must Work Such As, You Know, HOMEwork. And I Can't Leave Because I Must Finish School And I Hated School.
You Know What Made Me So Depressed, Is That I'm In A Country That Is Utterly Forgettable And When I Look At Other Countries, Here Looks Nothing Like Those Other Countries And I Was Questioning Myself "Was I Born In The Wrong Place, Wrong Time, Wrong Country ?" Those Were My Questions.
It’s a Not-So-Wonderful Life.
This is my favorite arc in the LN
I also really like how the Omega phase in Index is very similar to the Eye of the Moon Plan from Naruto. Nearly final antagonists wanting to destroy the current world and make an utopia with 0 pain, suffering and loss but effectively removing free will from the process. The difference obviously being that Madara and Obito truly wanted it but didn’t achieve it while Othinus just made it to break Touma and did in fact achieve it. Both series have great philosophical themes and both are great series written by really talented and passionate authors. Thanks for this video Aeon.
Sit down subaru, kamijou is the TRUE king of suffering
As I remembered a TAMNI character like her, in other words: she's another one these direct workers of the *[Sword Logic].* got it. [narrows eyes at the image of her now]
Touma is someone who will be willing to be a villain to save someone, not caring what'll happen to him just so he can see them smile and be happy even if it costing his life(even if he has no idea nor memory of who he once was he wont stop trying to be a complete human
Remind me a lot to Emiya Shirou
Now i want to read all the light novels just to read this arc
The other arcs are also really good, but this is one of the best!
Read it from the beginning,the anime is trash,you would get more from the LN especially details
Not "one of", but THE best arc of Index IMO. I just recently read it & was blown away.
I really love toaru. I really love NT 9. I really love this video.
Btw, I would really appreciate if u could do a similar video, but about Aleister's arc :)
Thank you for this wonderful video!
You're welcome :^)
As usual... My analysis of touma character is always different from other people and i am kind of ashamed that i still believe my analysis is more correct than yours when you know so much more than i do (i agree on the philosophy part, the touma character analysis part i don't).
On alpha world, touma didn't break because he always follow his heart and not out of good and evil and if that ended up touma being painted as villain by everyone then that's the price he's willing to pay. Of course he's shaken by how much suffering his friend and the whole of Japan has to suffer so he's doubting his action but again taking it in the context of finding a solution to the problem he caused and not of him being shaken that he's considered evil in this world and is trying to convince other (aogami especially) that he's a good person.
On beta world, touma didn't break because he figured out othinus malice but he didn't figure out an answer to it. That's why othinus consider him too much of an idiot to understand the problem she presented (he's not he just dodged the issue). The first time he prove othinus wrong in which she admitted it herself is that othinus stated there's no reason to torment brand new doll and touma restated it because tormenting that brand new doll is meaningless. Then othinus direct it onto the philosophical part (the actual part of the hell) in which he ask 'who are you?'. Touma at first is at loss and he never did obtain the answer for the philosophical question of what made him kamijou touma. Instead he rely on othinus presence to tell him that he's kamijou touma because there's no reason for her to torture anyone but kamijou touma a point that was made abundantly clear before. So in this hell we don't have touma accept that he's kamijou touma because of his action but rather we see touma character of selflessness in that he's willing to go into any length for no gain on his part. This part specifically distinct him from light novel protagonist who help other because they're a nice person who gloss over gain and loss aka just being nice toward other while touma went into fight out of his ideal (of not wanting other to cry) and that the execution of this ideal doesn't involve it being benefical to him in the slightest. other light novel character simply doesn't like something and thus lend their help and thus just something they do because they have leeway (or not able to prioritize properly) while for touma it's much more close to him and thus he would willingly sacrifice other part of his life.
The omega world, touma break not because he no longer has any purpose in his life but because of the self-doubt he had back from Old Testament. He had always acted on the interest of his heart but now that he see how othinus 'saved' other people his doubt (that he accelerated tragedy) resurfaced. He's questioning himself of wether or not what he's doing is right now that he sees the result first hand. He always think that only by being selfless that he had managed to resolve an issue and yet othinus showed him another way.
'What have i been doing all this time?' 'You did well for a mere human.
Othinus had taken *one of the purpose* of his life. He can of course get a new purpose now that one of his purpose is fulfilled by someone else but the dilemma come from the fact that he has to choose between himself and other. That's what breaking him, his heart is telling him not to choose to end his life but his mind is telling him to do so. He want to live obviously he want to live he want to have fun with his friend and enjoy his ordinary school life and the very act of suicide would prevent him to do so, on the other hand he had lived his life trying to help other and had made it his way of life (beta world) and it's only natural for him to give up his life for the sake of many. You can even say that at this point in time othinus had indeed understood him of the contradiction of the boy known as kamijou touma who believe he's just an ordinary high school students (his wish) and as someone safe other so that nobody else experience the misfortune he feel (his ideal) and thus pitting his ideal against his wish. Honestly i am not even sure if it's heart vs mind or is it heart vs heart. That's why he break, fulfilling his personal wish would mean to deny his ideal and denying his ideal would mean to betray all those people that he fought for which would have failed his personal wish while to follow his ideal mean to deny his wish.... So yeah in any case he's done for just as he stated in his rant. After the pep talk touma was told that there's really nothing wrong with being selfish for once hence why he's confronting othinus. It's not that he's going there to die but rather just to pit himself against othinus in the same way that othinus is trying to break touma mind to find out what she want. They're pitting selfishness against selfishness, ideal and wish flying around the battlefield as they try to understand themselves by observing each other (othinus started way before him and touma only starting to understand othinus later).
Understander... That title doesn't refer to the billion of world the two have been together which cause them to understand each other but rather of the time that they had observe each other in order to figure out themselves.
Othinus had to ask herself of what she wants and touma stubbornness in wanting to return to his original world represented herself wish to return to her original world.
Touma had to ask himself wether to accept the new world and othinus attempt to create a new world represented his own.
Touma argue of going back, othinus argue to go forward. The world they come from and the world they want to make may be different but problem is the same.
Whatever outcome touma will accept and he's just waiting for othinus to make a decision...
Touma is the greatest character ever
He deserve Better life ❤️
Preach
While the Index Arc is my favorite Arc in the series no doubt this Arc is the best in the series
Imagine watching the trash Index anime and then got interested by the last scene of season 3 since Touma wasn't dead.Then proceed to read the NT LN right away but got bored by NT 4 and then suddenly got hit by NT 6-11 which is sooooo good,and then finishes NT 12-22R in a week. This is me before I got into the Index black hole 😂😂 NT9 is so good especially watching Touma having a breaking down makes me love Touma sooooo much more compared when watching the anime
Yeah that literally happened to me
The anime isn’t trash. 💀
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 U really thought that?
@@magtibay5331 yep, me too. Though, I stop a little bit at NT 14. Then, continued.
After watching this, I got enlightenment.
You are now the Toaru Buddha
@@AeonofHorus i will cultivation the toaru technique now and become immortal cultivator.
Volume 10 was pretty much a series of mini boss fights.
Very interesting video, love it!
Thanks for such a nice video you really do these videos so good👍😃😉
20:25 Not that kind of Objectivist view obviously, though, now that I think about it, it would be interesting to see how a character with that philosophy would live in a world like Toaru.
Amazing
An excellent video, the only minor disappointment is I thought you were going to continue into the next chapter where Mikoto goes over a similar conversation with him to speak about the philosophy of this world and the value in it, which again broke his will and further made him a whole person.... granted i might be misremembering but who knows.
That's in NT10 I believe, I mainly wanted to talk about the three phases in this video. But thank you :)
@@AeonofHorus Indeed, it was very insightful given I havent read OT or most of NT in.... since they first came out? Its what I get for lending my friend my copy then him moving half a continent away, sad times. But yeah, i at least think it could be an interesting part 2 showing the input of others who are also disproving Onithus' world ideals and helping to forge Touma even more.
Very good
Yo congrats on 2k subs 😎👍🎉🎈
thanks bruh
Incredible video as always!
Will you make a video on the Aleister Crowley/Coronzon arc in the future ?
Thank you! Once I get to reviewing NT I think but that might take a while, I still need to review the second half of OT yet
Cant belive he survived existensial crisis
oh!
I pray JC Staff doesn't fuck up NT adaptation. They already let us down in season 3.
Its the biggest fear the fandom has, all Index seasons have been pretty much a huge let down compared to the novels making it harder to recommend to other people. Toaru anime is already in a pretty bad/mid spot so if JC also ruins what the community pretty much consents as the best arc theres no turning back unless a remake happens :( althought i would still love to have an OT remake anyway
Where can I read the light novels🥲
ua-cam.com/video/RuB2G3YDnkg/v-deo.html
This video will help you hopefully
Correction about heaven even it is unbelievable, we have eternal peace and also a purpose their we will do a lot of things in heaven.
I have question, what happens if misaka clone dead and what happens to misaka network
I think misaka network still alive right? And how about accelelator misaka network caculation ?
If only one dies I don't think any changes will occur
I'd rather this arc never get adapted. I don't think the anime will ever do it justice.
I agree
@@AeonofHorus At least if they do adapt it, we can see infinite speed touma. yea im shiro from the discord
@@sshiroyakuza lmaooo nice
Personally, the Anime never do it justice. I do agree that I don't want it to be adapted as I want the volume to remain as a masterpiece forever in the eyes of everyone who read this volume.
@@zaiwex I hope another studio or director adapts NT. JC staff can’t do it justice at all.
Congrats on the 2K subs.
It´s a really good video and is even better narrated. Awesome job.
The music choice, 10/10 I don´t know the names of most songs, but putting Seika there it´s a good hit.
As a detail, it would not be bad to put the names of the songs in the description, in the same way that you put the sources of the images and the information.
Thanks a lot!
I actually didn't use Seika in this one, but here's a full song list:
Toaru Majutsu no Index II OST 2 - Tada, Sou de aru tame ni
Toaru Majutsu no Index II OST 2 - Tada Hitazura ni
To Aru Majutsu no Index OST 2 - Sorezore no Omoi
To Aru Majutsu no Index OST 2 - Kokoro ni
To Aru Majutsu no Index OST 2 - Majutsu Kessha
To Aru Majutsu no Index OST 2 - Torimodose nai Mono
To Aru Majutsu no Index OST 2 - Negatta Mono
To Aru Majutsu no Index OST 2 - Zetsubou
Toaru Majutsu no Index II OST 2 - Yoake
@@AeonofHorus
Thanks for the list, and yes, I was confused. I have confused Yoake with Seika. They are both very beautiful songs.
🐐🐐🐐💯💯💯
As someone who dislike NT9 this was an amazing vid Aeon! My reasons for disliking NT9 is not because I think it's a bad vol or anything (It's a great one in fact) but because Othinus makes me sick. As someone who tries his best to do good in the world, I understand the world will never be perfect, there will always be good and evil long after I have gone and I will make mistakes in life and be selfish at times, but that's fine if done in a balance manner. The reason it makes me sick is that even a God or The Devil as no right to treat the world and life itself as a toy. If a God wishes to control the world and take away people's free will he or she should fall, no matter how crazy surpassing a God in power sounds. If the Devil wishes to destroy the world and make people suffer he should also fall. Othinus played both roles in NT9, by making Touma suffer, destroy the world over and over again and then created a world with no free will. To me, that is what I call pure evil and while NT9 is an amazing vol it will always disgust me she got away with it until she changes her mind after Touma dies and later turn into a fairy in NT10.
I understand why you’d think that and this shows how much you care for the series if you can get this emotionally involved, so I think that’s something you should be proud of.
I understand, she did horrendous things to both Touma and the world. Nevertheless, Othinus believes the world that we and the characters are familiar is merely one of many fake ones, and she wants to restore her favourite world that was lost amongst the many layers. I'm not excusing her actions but I can understand why she doesn't see why her actions were wrong until the very end when she realises Touma is much more than a weak human.
@@AeonofHorusMhmm. I think my biggest knock to Othinus is not so much she wanted her old world back, but more so her actions trying to do so. She's willing to take the world of another being away from them to get her favourite back, but how would she like it if the roles were reversed and someone took her favourite world away and then put her in the same shoes as Touma? Othinus has no one to blame but herself for losing her world, if she didn't become Magic God, maybe she would have had her favourite world just a bit longer. Maybe the lesson is to be thankful for what you have and not what you don't have. Maybe the world that we familiar with is fake but then my question would be what is the real world then?
@@callump1996 A very good lesson indeed. To me some people tend to over complicate things with worlds and existent. The answer to your question is in the question itself. The world is whatever you make it up to be. Regardless if it's fake or not, it your real world. There might exist multiple worlds but each of them still holds the claim of real for the people living in them.
@@craytherlaygaming2852 I disagree.
1. How do you know that Touma won't become immortal? if he got that immortality, Othinus punishment would be a joke because she would be the one who can stay his side for the eternity.
2. she does not regret her actions, she helps Touma because he is the most important thing on her life and she was fine if Mikoto and Misaki died even they are important to Touma.
Could you please explain me why people ship touma and othinus? I am still reading nt but I want to understand this ship.
Because she refers to herself as Touma's 'understander' I guess?
Where could I read NT ??
You can find it just by searching in Google
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16:51
To everyone who watch this video, I wana clarify something since, I’m Christian myself.
Heaven is nothing like the perfect world in toaru majutsu no index.
While Heaven is still perfect, God only allows people who follow him to enter Heaven.
If people trust and love God loves them in return, no one needs to escape in the first place.
While the “Toaru perfect world involves everyone including all sinners, Heaven only includes Christians.
Jesus died on the cross for everyone to repent without giving a sacrifice. We are eternally saved by him and he has achieved victory over sin.
Even though we are not perfect, we are perfect through God.
Heaven and hell are also very very different.
While Christians enjoy eternal life in heaven, people who don’t believe suffer in hell.
I hope this gives more of an inside view to Christianity.
What is the meaning to life without suffering or hardship? An eternal life where you have nothing to strive towards because the world is already perfect. While it isn't exactly like heaven as it is the hell for Kamijou Touma, for the rest of the world it is as they are reunited with their loved ones and live their ideal lives without end. But they are deprived of their autonomy as a result. Eternal life itself is flawed as a concept as life only has meaning when it has an end.
Although the idea of 'heaven' or a paradise after death was common across multiple religions as the life expectancy thousands of years ago was much lower, the standard of life for many was terrible and diseases were more common. So the idea that there would be life after death with no suffering was the hope that people hung onto. And the fact that the fear of the unknown after death is also very common. To have reassurance that there is more to life after death.
Also, to say that those don't believe in Christianity should suffer eternally in hell, is very anti-christian. Jesus forgave and loved the worst of society: prostitutes, tax collectors and criminals despite the sins they committed. People make mistakes in life or sometimes commit sins to help others. To say that good people or people who have made mistakes in life and deserve eternal suffering as a result just because they don't believe in God is undeniably evil.
@@AeonofHorus John 4 verse 1-4, 6
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““Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. And you know the way to where I am going.”
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
John 14:1-4, 6 ESV
www.bible.com/59/jhn.14.1-4,6.esv
Mathew 18, verse 10-14
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““See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven.
What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go in search of the one that went astray? And if he finds it, truly, I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine that never went astray. So it is not the will of my Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.”
Matthew 18:10, 12-14 ESV
www.bible.com/59/mat.18.10,12-14.esv
Jesus is the Shepherd and we are the sheep.
You are correct when you say Jesus loves all of us unconditionally so he guides us back to the right path.
Because he loves us so much, he gives us freedom to choose weather to follow him or not.
And the result of the two choices are either Heaven or hell as I told you in my first comment.
I really encourage you to pick up a bible for yourself and read it through in detail.
(Since you studied religion in all),
Maybe you’ll get a better understanding on what Christianity is.
I really don’t know what we would do in Heaven besides worship God though, all I know is God might give a person more stuff depending on what they did on earth.
I’m sure the “Revelations” can tell you more about it.
But in any case it’s just my opinion that Heaven is a great place.
Just please think about it more and I’m sure many Christians will be willing to answer your questions (probably even better than me😅) if you ask,
Don’t forget Jesus loves you and God bless!
Have a great day .👍🏼
Also what was the purpose of the phases in between Beta and Omega phase? Was it to mentally weaken Touma, just for the sake of torturing him or to understand what he fears most?
Yeah it was just to emphasise the mental strain on him leading up to the omega world which is the final nail in the coffin. Obviously Kamachi couldn't show every single phase so just chose three worlds to challenge who Touma is.
i believe othinus tried every way she thought abt or as i think she been through to break his mind but it wasn't enough to do it but she understands him after every world so in the end she figured out what would broke him
can you show us manga
Review the NT please
I will once I get through OT
@@AeonofHorus thx
If jc staff butchered this arc anime onlies will never know the true beauty of it
The anime will never captured the true beauty & magic of Index Light Novel story, forever. Light novels are simply a whole different medium than the anime.
@@ArkBagas sad :(
They already ruined it. It's impossible for anime onlies to properly enjoy the series without the basic lore and character development made throughout old testament. You can't enjoy the last volume of a novel as much as other readers without having read the volumes that came before that first. The toaru anime is already ruined.
How can they possibly understand what kind of effect NT 9 had on touma if the anime of old testament never made a good job of showing what kind of person he is?
How the fucking does this thing only have 24k views??
Welp he made another NT9 video with a good amount of views so at least theres that 👀
IKR it should have at least 100K views smh
Ok based on this video onthuis or O is wrong on many things, if she created a different world (the alpha world) it will be pararel universe version of themselves why? because in theory and i think it is also applied in anime, you can't change the past. And the beta world it is also set of different people why? Because past is unchangable and the set of his friends knows who he is and what he did so even O showed that world, a lot of kamijou's already trust him and not everyone can be kamijou touma why? Because each person are different and the other you on the other dimension will never bebe desame person, lastly who tf will pull off the things that touma did? The omega phase is also different set of people they are happy but will the world get better? because the cravings of man is limitless if they don't believe in God or be contented on what they have And they will be stagnant finally there are alot of bad of people so there will be always problem. So the world were offered where contradicting touma's current world and the omega world is a fake world because the history knows kamijou existed. And lastly people can find a lot of purpose in life no matter what situation is.
So those world is wrong in many ways.
Wouldnt accelarator come in and kick him back into gear just as touma has repeatedly? Seems accelarator has a special spot for a certain irritating preaching level 0. He will intervene to help touma at some point.
Actually Index is a fan service LN/Anime. Come on honestly 🤔 and that's why I like it... don't be so serious and dark about it 😒🙄🤣😂.
There was no fanservice in this volume unless you count Othinus' outfit.
Dobby he is greedy
Thae LN is masterpiece until kamisato appear😐
Its not that terrible tbh and Kamisato wasnt the one that made the arc that bad, in fact he was one of the highlight.
Me whos an anime only: WHAT DA FAAA........K
Yeahhhh this video has a lot of spoilers 😂
loved this