This is the iPad I used in this video...If this convinced you to buy this...please use my Affiliate Link! It helps out the channel and supports me as a creator! : amzn.to/3jrrLly Here's the link to the 20-port USB hub I used in the video: amzn.to/3hlfNHd
You need to be seriously cautious about what you say if anything happens to your iPad! I had (past tense) a new M1 MacBook Air, and had three port failures in the first 6 months. They repaired it twice, then asked what I was doing, I responded ‘just leaving it on overnight running backups and file transfers to a few drives.’ Do you use a USB hub? ‘Yes,’ I responded. “That’s why its failing.” Warranty and AppleCare voided, no refunds, and I now have a $1,000 brick. They seized the USB hub as the reason, and told me to seek restitution from them. So… SAY NOTHING if something fails!
20 might be a stretch as you said but I saw Darek Cobbs run 8 boards on CP Voicenotes tour 😂 so say you make one board a solid synth (motif,roland,nord etc) but keep the main volume down/play as a controller and you run that as a contingency if the iPad goes out. I'd run a synth and 7 controllers in Darek's double stack diamond layout for sure. Run on the synth while a tech resets the iPad in the back for a worst-case scenario, lol.
You becoming a mad scientist for this John! 😅😅 It would be more interesting to test polyphony and how the iPad manages to handle all that information without exploding, now that would be something. Maybe for your next video, you should invite your friends/church musicians/producers who play to try and write a song and then perform it with all those keyboards, that would be really interesting.
Omg! That’s nuts! I have a Yamaha P-80 which hasn’t been used in years. Circa 1999-2000 I think. I’m resurrecting it (it’s action is a bit clunky. Key return is a tad loud, the pads have decayed). But I’m watching these videos to see if I can get midi din to iPad so the kids can use their iPads for piano lessons. So yes, technology has changed, but the basics of midi haven’t so it appears, I’m yet to test but it appears even 22yo good quality Yamaha keyboard is still useful with a modern iPad. Fingers crossed. My main problem is the poor old P-80 needs some service so I’m going to open it up and see what’s what with the noisy keys and perhaps swap out some springs if I can get them.
Great video, very cool, yes the power is there but I don’t see apple unlocking the full potential of this device with its iPad os, which is the only thing basically keeping this thing from being a laptop
I'm trying to convert my Keyboard players over to 3 Controllers and 1 iPad. I'm still a little confused on the actual signal flow. On audio and USB Hub Distribution. My IT guy doesn't really get the concept and is making it harder than it is.
Doc, you got to run some stems.....not just one note per board. Apple needs to sponsor too.....now I got to get the new iPad. My gen 5 only got 32GB of ram.......keep a brotha buyin'
Helpful video…to see that’s possible! Here’s a somewhat relayed question. I have my iPad Pro and a midi usb keyboard plugged into my macmini directly (no hubs) I trusted the computer and enabled the iPad for audio input…and that works fine. The usb keyboard works on things like Ableton Live, but I can’t get the iPad to see it as a midi device. I wonder if you, or anyone reading this sees anything obvious I’m missing? Cheers and Thanks
Very very Interesting... Is this set up solid enough and reliable on an actual stage/event where it counts? Where no errors can be tolerated? How do you safe guard the system from stuck midi notes, system hanging and what nots during a performance? Can the ipad be connected to an interface for a multi output set up to FOH console in some way? Really curious to see someone put this into practice on an actual event and share their experience..
I'm in that situation now and trying to master that setup for live staging with these virtual rigs. I hate the thought of a Macbook on stage. iPad would be perfect with a great multi audio converter.
Hi JM. Unrelated question…..If anyone would know you will. I have just purchased the Korg iM1for iOS. I am playing it with my komplete kontrol A25. Plays nicely, BUT…. NO MIDI LEARN!!!! Do you know if iOS M1 can be MIDI mapped to any external controller?
Dude, this this is why we needed an iPad with M1 Chip! But man.... you Really, really make me super nervous with that iPad barely sitting there on that little stand perched on top of the keyed of that keyboard! By the way... next step is to hook all those up and run a sequence inside of Cubasis!
What connection is between the USB hub and the iPad? Does it use a lightning or Thunderbolt connection? My iPad Pro 12.9 has a Thunderbolt (USB-4?) connection, so I can't use the iPad camera kit that I use with my 2019 iPad 10.2. Thanks for the great video!
I actually did...cpu didn’t jump above 25%...the footage was messed up on that part...so I didn’t add it to this video...which is why towards the end my hat is forward and then a second later it’s backwards 😂
I got the same question. Somebody else answered it here. But I couldn’t understand how. Anyway i just bought a usb-C splitter. Which has 2 usb-c’s ports. Both are for charging and audio. But they don’t work together. Strange!
Hahaha 20 keyboards wow I can barely play one at a time , didn't know ow this ipad had such power I had the air 1 and it had limits as it started to glitch when trying to play more Ethan 1 sound or app 2021 hehe , I was thinking to get get ipad 8 or 9th but that lighting is too old for piano and audio output USB type c is the way to go , BTW android can't even do this I tried at most I pt cab handle some not pro level piano apps I got disappointed tried even samsung tablets np don't stand a chance . Apple is apple and when it co,comes, to music hardware and software they are good , would the mini 6 be too small as a a display ?
@@Johnmike hey man, when playing live, the audio from the iPad needs to go through an interface right ? Throughout the video I was looking to see if there was an interface but it seems for this test all sounds were from the ipad.
Yes, inquiring minds want to know how best to get audio out of the iPad Pro. It’s got one USBC connector so it seems that a USBC hub is required. Do we then go analog 1/8” headphone out from one of those and hope the dac in it is adequate? Or, go digital to something else?
Hey, man…great video! Here’s what I’m wondering…Let’s say I want to run MKSensation and Loops by CDub on my iPad. I want a way to control the volume of each app in one place on the iPad. Would AUM be good for that? If so, would it be worth it?
I have my iPad Pro 12.9 Gen 5 (M1 chip) connected to my MIDI controller via the Anker interface you described. My synth apps work and sound comes out of the iPad speakers, but how to do I get the audio to my mixer? This new iPad Pro does not have a 1/8" audio out jack. Any way to use this device for live audio, or do I have a $1500 brick on my hands? Thanks!
PROBLEM SOLVED! In case any others here are interested in how I did this: Use the other USB-3 jack on the Anker to run a cable to my Audiobox interface, and that plugs into the mixer. Using a powered USB hub (with four USB inputs, I can plug two or more MIDI controllers into the hub, and the hub gets plugged into the Anker interface, and the Anker goes into the iPad Pro via the Thunderbolt/USB-C port.
I got the same question. Somebody else answered it here. But I couldn’t understand how. Anyway i just bought a usb-C splitter. Which has 2 usb-c’s ports. Both are for charging and audio. But they don’t work together. Strange!
Well the direction I have taken is a pretty ‘Cartesian’ one…I decided I needed to have a hub to provide all the i/o that Apple stripped the iPad Pro M1 of - so that’s a used $150 Belkin F4U095 aluminium thing, with all the USB3 outputs (and inputs of course, it’s two-way comms!) I could need. A single 3.5mm jack at the rear goes into my (mono of course) QTX 15” busker amp, and it has it’s own massive brick of a power supply and a Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C looking) port at the rear, that I connect to the iPad Pro M1. Essentially, Apple ‘outsourced’ the messy and space-consuming business of ports or input/outputs, to third party suppliers. My solution is not perfect, but it grew out of latency - with my little BaseUs corner USB-C hub, there’s a slowboat to China approach to my MIDI controller/keyboard getting anywhere, especially to the QTX busker amp. This method is much faster, but I cannot overcome the issue of not being able to get the iPad Pro speakers to work sweetly with this setup. I unplug the whole thing when I want to use them, or put earbuds into the corner hub that now hangs in ungainly fashion from the TB3 port at the back of the Belkin. Here’s an odd thing - the Apple proper earbuds, I got an adapter to take the 3.5mm jack from, but no matter, direct or not, Belkin, or BaseUs hub, the proper earbuds try to send the volume to max or min like a shot, if you dare to touch either of the up/down inline controls! It’s improved with iPadOS 15.3.1, but still a bit iffy. You know what does work? A cheapo knock-off Samsung copy set of earbuds, bought ten for ten bucks on ebay! All inline controls, work perfectly, despite them being the Samsung controls inside, and the Apple ones using a different Apple-specific protocol. So now I have been put in the position of essentially steering about $225 of money, to Belkin or the guy who bought a Belkin new, and BaseUs, and possibly Samsung or at least a knock-off of Samsung, on ebay. Is this better? It’s got to be about trimming the edges of the iPad Pro M1 device, but that wouldn’t have mattered to me, I never take it anywhere. I just like touchscreen and hate organising bus(es) in DAWs! So I use GarageBand on iPad and Cubasis sometimes. Avoided a ‘proper’ audio interface so far, but we’ll see! Incidentally, the music keyboard, and my ten dollar Chinese wired keyboard I am using right now, both go into an Anker hub with its own brick power supply, and they go into the Belkin, which then ThunderBolts things to the iPad. I view this in technical terms as a ‘star’ topology, with the Belkin being at the centre (sounds right, being a ‘dock’ or hub), and the iPad Pro M1 attached by the single 40Gbps short 50cm TB3 cord to the back, the BaseUs corner hub uncomfortably struggled into the other USB-C/TB3 socket at the back (right-angled connector! - a short extension cable ordered), and as I say the Anker 7-port USB3 hub comes in via it’s ‘quite fast’ 5Gbps USB3 cable. The Anker also has 3 extra USB3-looking ports, but they might be strictly charging I think. This idea of the Belkin being the central nexus for cables, came to me because with TB3 being almost instant, it’s as if it’s part of the iPad. This was unavoidable once I acquired a large portable Western Digital HDD (Elements it is called) and you guessed it, it goes into the Anker too, or it could go into the Belkin, and it’s quite fast, I can put a GarageBand 1Gb song over in about a minute, and can actually work from there if I wanted, not quite as fast as my very good 75Mbps connection to the internet/iCloud, but good. Phew! Sorry is that what you call ‘over-sharing’?! Take care all. PS no I am not terribly pleased at being made to lash out on a hub/dock after buying a two grand device, but there we go. I got it used, so paid about half the price, of this top-spec iPad Pro M1 unit. Back-taxes got returned, orI couldn’t have done it. Thanks for the vid to the host, and I am glad to read about similar experiences and the solutions people arrive at.
This is the iPad I used in this video...If this convinced you to buy this...please use my Affiliate Link! It helps out the channel and supports me as a creator! : amzn.to/3jrrLly
Here's the link to the 20-port USB hub I used in the video:
amzn.to/3hlfNHd
You need to be seriously cautious about what you say if anything happens to your iPad! I had (past tense) a new M1 MacBook Air, and had three port failures in the first 6 months. They repaired it twice, then asked what I was doing, I responded ‘just leaving it on overnight running backups and file transfers to a few drives.’ Do you use a USB hub? ‘Yes,’ I responded. “That’s why its failing.” Warranty and AppleCare voided, no refunds, and I now have a $1,000 brick. They seized the USB hub as the reason, and told me to seek restitution from them. So… SAY NOTHING if something fails!
The craziest part about this video is the fact that you have that many midi boards 😂
20 might be a stretch as you said but I saw Darek Cobbs run 8 boards on CP Voicenotes tour 😂 so say you make one board a solid synth (motif,roland,nord etc) but keep the main volume down/play as a controller and you run that as a contingency if the iPad goes out. I'd run a synth and 7 controllers in Darek's double stack diamond layout for sure. Run on the synth while a tech resets the iPad in the back for a worst-case scenario, lol.
Definitely a Noble peace prize
Why in the name of God did ANYONE dislike this?! But two people?! C'mon this is the Lord's work. An Apple engineer just got his wings.
Lol
You becoming a mad scientist for this John! 😅😅
It would be more interesting to test polyphony and how the iPad manages to handle all that information without exploding, now that would be something.
Maybe for your next video, you should invite your friends/church musicians/producers who play to try and write a song and then perform it with all those keyboards, that would be really interesting.
that would be cool!
Amazing were technology has gone in just 10 years
yup
I believe you John :-) and through this I already purchased my ipad pro m1 and already have a usb hub. thank you for sharing this. I also use AUM app
Omg! That’s nuts! I have a Yamaha P-80 which hasn’t been used in years. Circa 1999-2000 I think. I’m resurrecting it (it’s action is a bit clunky. Key return is a tad loud, the pads have decayed). But I’m watching these videos to see if I can get midi din to iPad so the kids can use their iPads for piano lessons. So yes, technology has changed, but the basics of midi haven’t so it appears, I’m yet to test but it appears even 22yo good quality Yamaha keyboard is still useful with a modern iPad. Fingers crossed. My main problem is the poor old P-80 needs some service so I’m going to open it up and see what’s what with the noisy keys and perhaps swap out some springs if I can get them.
Great video, very cool, yes the power is there but I don’t see apple unlocking the full potential of this device with its iPad os, which is the only thing basically keeping this thing from being a laptop
I'm trying to convert my Keyboard players over to 3 Controllers and 1 iPad. I'm still a little confused on the actual signal flow. On audio and USB Hub Distribution. My IT guy doesn't really get the concept and is making it harder than it is.
No live demo?!?! The DECEPTION!!!! 😭😭😭
This is just crazy!
Crazy so like this no need a sound card is that right?
This is important science.
Core concepts for serious students of JohnMikeology in plain english
Great video bro, My wife ain’t going for that set up in the living room 🙅🏾♀️😆🤣🤣.
Lol
Try that with other vst like key lab sample tank or onmisphere on that iPad
Can it handle all of them being played at once
Yes
Doc, you got to run some stems.....not just one note per board. Apple needs to sponsor too.....now I got to get the new iPad. My gen 5 only got 32GB of ram.......keep a brotha buyin'
I would love to do this. I seen this about a year or 2 ago and need direction to start.
Super dope video rev 🔥🔥
Yes sirrrr fam! ✊🏾
Now a test with multiple being played simultaneously to test the limits on processing.
I actually did test…the footage with me playing got screwed up…I will re-record soon…but the CPU never went above 25%
@@Johnmike How many hands??? 😁
@@AndersonBryan lol
Your efforts are commendable. Love from India bro!
Hi John, Top explained!!!! And very interesant. Best Regards from Barcelona José Movilandia 😎💥💥💥👍
What is the exact name of the usb-c adapter I see coming out of the ipad with the usb standard cord going into the other end? Is it an Apple product?
Yea it’s just the apple usb-c to USB adapter…got it from Best Buy for like $20
Helpful video…to see that’s possible!
Here’s a somewhat relayed question.
I have my iPad Pro and a midi usb keyboard plugged into my macmini directly (no hubs)
I trusted the computer and enabled the iPad for audio input…and that works fine.
The usb keyboard works on things like Ableton Live, but I can’t get the iPad to see it as a midi device.
I wonder if you, or anyone reading this sees anything obvious I’m missing?
Cheers and Thanks
Check this video I did ua-cam.com/video/-OxpvtViKgw/v-deo.html
Boom! That’s it…you got me right on track. Many thanks!
Great Video!…….The rock organ, was that sound in the the bs-16i or did you get another SoundFont or DLS?
Have you heard of imidi patchbay?
It's amazing how you do this.
M audio mark3 keystation88 ,can it be setup with just the ipad and an app.?
Where can I download Click track vol 1 from? Seems like the site is down
Which one works the transport controls?
Is there any issue that comes from playing simultaneously like more than 10 notes?
Not that I experienced
Very very Interesting... Is this set up solid enough and reliable on an actual stage/event where it counts? Where no errors can be tolerated? How do you safe guard the system from stuck midi notes, system hanging and what nots during a performance? Can the ipad be connected to an interface for a multi output set up to FOH console in some way?
Really curious to see someone put this into practice on an actual event and share their experience..
I'm in that situation now and trying to master that setup for live staging with these virtual rigs. I hate the thought of a Macbook on stage. iPad would be perfect with a great multi audio converter.
How are you getting audio out from the iPad? Are you using Bluetooth? I’ve tried that, but it’s usually too much latency.
Hi JM. Unrelated question…..If anyone would know you will. I have just purchased the Korg iM1for iOS. I am playing it with my komplete kontrol A25. Plays nicely, BUT…. NO MIDI LEARN!!!! Do you know if iOS M1 can be MIDI mapped to any external controller?
Hey John bless bro, this is nuts bro next level of music technology ok bro drop mic just dope
Lol thanks!
Great stuff!
i see you are selling some of your 88s. will u be willing to ship the cheapest 88 to the uk and how much would shipping cost?/
Dude, this this is why we needed an iPad with M1 Chip! But man.... you Really, really make me super nervous with that iPad barely sitting there on that little stand perched on top of the keyed of that keyboard! By the way... next step is to hook all those up and run a sequence inside of Cubasis!
lol! yup!
Insane bro 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great video!!
GREAT VIDEO!
I just knew you were gonna do this!
lol
What connection is between the USB hub and the iPad? Does it use a lightning or Thunderbolt connection? My iPad Pro 12.9 has a Thunderbolt (USB-4?) connection, so I can't use the iPad camera kit that I use with my 2019 iPad 10.2. Thanks for the great video!
Usb-c to usb cable adapter
@@Johnmike Thanks. I’ve ordered a connector that I hope will work. I’ll Reply here again when it arrives and I can check it out. Thanks again.
now Play them all at once to see how much it can handle
I actually did...cpu didn’t jump above 25%...the footage was messed up on that part...so I didn’t add it to this video...which is why towards the end my hat is forward and then a second later it’s backwards 😂
this is the way 😎
yuuuup! #Mandolorian
Are you going to do a review on the MKSensation Xtreme iPad version ?
Yup coming this week!
@@Johnmike I look forward to watching it !
Hey JM , will be waiting on your review.... 👌🏾👍🏽
This is dope.
thanks!
How were you getting audio output from your iPad?
I got the same question. Somebody else answered it here. But I couldn’t understand how. Anyway i just bought a usb-C splitter. Which has 2 usb-c’s ports. Both are for charging and audio. But they don’t work together. Strange!
It’s Yanni. 😃
lol
Wow 🔥🔥🔥
Good video
John mike youre cool, could you please jam a bit for us? you are talented please play some piano on the raven 275
will do something soon
Hahaha 20 keyboards wow I can barely play one at a time , didn't know ow this ipad had such power I had the air 1 and it had limits as it started to glitch when trying to play more Ethan 1 sound or app 2021 hehe , I was thinking to get get ipad 8 or 9th but that lighting is too old for piano and audio output USB type c is the way to go , BTW android can't even do this I tried at most I pt cab handle some not pro level piano apps I got disappointed tried even samsung tablets np don't stand a chance . Apple is apple and when it co,comes, to music hardware and software they are good , would the mini 6 be too small as a a display ?
Naa but it depends on how good your eyes are lol
How is the audio latency when playing through the iPad?
There isn’t much of any latency at all
@@Johnmike hey man, when playing live, the audio from the iPad needs to go through an interface right ? Throughout the video I was looking to see if there was an interface but it seems for this test all sounds were from the ipad.
@@harold12A I was going to ask the same thing. Is there an interface. Or how would one get the best sound out of the iPad in a Live Gig setting
Yes, inquiring minds want to know how best to get audio out of the iPad Pro. It’s got one USBC connector so it seems that a USBC hub is required. Do we then go analog 1/8” headphone out from one of those and hope the dac in it is adequate? Or, go digital to something else?
Simple……20 keyboard…..nothing simple there buddy!! Haha!!
lololol
Hey, man…great video! Here’s what I’m wondering…Let’s say I want to run MKSensation and Loops by CDub on my iPad. I want a way to control the volume of each app in one place on the iPad. Would AUM be good for that? If so, would it be worth it?
Yes, AUM will be where you control the volume and mix down of all of your 'sound modules'...
I have my iPad Pro 12.9 Gen 5 (M1 chip) connected to my MIDI controller via the Anker interface you described. My synth apps work and sound comes out of the iPad speakers, but how to do I get the audio to my mixer? This new iPad Pro does not have a 1/8" audio out jack. Any way to use this device for live audio, or do I have a $1500 brick on my hands? Thanks!
PROBLEM SOLVED! In case any others here are interested in how I did this: Use the other USB-3 jack on the Anker to run a cable to my Audiobox interface, and that plugs into the mixer. Using a powered USB hub (with four USB inputs, I can plug two or more MIDI controllers into the hub, and the hub gets plugged into the Anker interface, and the Anker goes into the iPad Pro via the Thunderbolt/USB-C port.
I got the same question. Somebody else answered it here. But I couldn’t understand how. Anyway i just bought a usb-C splitter. Which has 2 usb-c’s ports. Both are for charging and audio. But they don’t work together. Strange!
Well the direction I have taken is a pretty ‘Cartesian’ one…I decided I needed to have a hub to provide all the i/o that Apple stripped the iPad Pro M1 of - so that’s a used $150 Belkin F4U095 aluminium thing, with all the USB3 outputs (and inputs of course, it’s two-way comms!) I could need. A single 3.5mm jack at the rear goes into my (mono of course) QTX 15” busker amp, and it has it’s own massive brick of a power supply and a Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C looking) port at the rear, that I connect to the iPad Pro M1. Essentially, Apple ‘outsourced’ the messy and space-consuming business of ports or input/outputs, to third party suppliers.
My solution is not perfect, but it grew out of latency - with my little BaseUs corner USB-C hub, there’s a slowboat to China approach to my MIDI controller/keyboard getting anywhere, especially to the QTX busker amp. This method is much faster, but I cannot overcome the issue of not being able to get the iPad Pro speakers to work sweetly with this setup. I unplug the whole thing when I want to use them, or put earbuds into the corner hub that now hangs in ungainly fashion from the TB3 port at the back of the Belkin. Here’s an odd thing - the Apple proper earbuds, I got an adapter to take the 3.5mm jack from, but no matter, direct or not, Belkin, or BaseUs hub, the proper earbuds try to send the volume to max or min like a shot, if you dare to touch either of the up/down inline controls! It’s improved with iPadOS 15.3.1, but still a bit iffy.
You know what does work? A cheapo knock-off Samsung copy set of earbuds, bought ten for ten bucks on ebay! All inline controls, work perfectly, despite them being the Samsung controls inside, and the Apple ones using a different Apple-specific protocol. So now I have been put in the position of essentially steering about $225 of money, to Belkin or the guy who bought a Belkin new, and BaseUs, and possibly Samsung or at least a knock-off of Samsung, on ebay. Is this better? It’s got to be about trimming the edges of the iPad Pro M1 device, but that wouldn’t have mattered to me, I never take it anywhere. I just like touchscreen and hate organising bus(es) in DAWs! So I use GarageBand on iPad and Cubasis sometimes. Avoided a ‘proper’ audio interface so far, but we’ll see! Incidentally, the music keyboard, and my ten dollar Chinese wired keyboard I am using right now, both go into an Anker hub with its own brick power supply, and they go into the Belkin, which then ThunderBolts things to the iPad.
I view this in technical terms as a ‘star’ topology, with the Belkin being at the centre (sounds right, being a ‘dock’ or hub), and the iPad Pro M1 attached by the single 40Gbps short 50cm TB3 cord to the back, the BaseUs corner hub uncomfortably struggled into the other USB-C/TB3 socket at the back (right-angled connector! - a short extension cable ordered), and as I say the Anker 7-port USB3 hub comes in via it’s ‘quite fast’ 5Gbps USB3 cable. The Anker also has 3 extra USB3-looking ports, but they might be strictly charging I think. This idea of the Belkin being the central nexus for cables, came to me because with TB3 being almost instant, it’s as if it’s part of the iPad.
This was unavoidable once I acquired a large portable Western Digital HDD (Elements it is called) and you guessed it, it goes into the Anker too, or it could go into the Belkin, and it’s quite fast, I can put a GarageBand 1Gb song over in about a minute, and can actually work from there if I wanted, not quite as fast as my very good 75Mbps connection to the internet/iCloud, but good. Phew! Sorry is that what you call ‘over-sharing’?! Take care all. PS no I am not terribly pleased at being made to lash out on a hub/dock after buying a two grand device, but there we go. I got it used, so paid about half the price, of this top-spec iPad Pro M1 unit. Back-taxes got returned, orI couldn’t have done it. Thanks for the vid to the host, and I am glad to read about similar experiences and the solutions people arrive at.
Sir How much did this video increase ⬆️ Your Public Service Bill ? 😆 🎹 Central
Lololol
Wow, I wish you could give me one of them sir 😭😭
Why do Nigerians like begging for things?
Can't we just watch, like and pass without asking for free things?
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