When I was young I assigned exactly 10 vils to each resource and thought this was a well balanced eco. Then I created 150 of the unique unit and 10 trebs (all from a single castle of course) and after 2,5 hours I steamrolled the base of the medium AI.
brother, yes, this was my life. a card from hearthstone used say "BALANCE IN AAAALL THINGS" when i played it, and that sums up how i thought about 4x games. My houses had to be symmetrical, I needed one of each building and every tech researched.... the good old days. now i'm rushing castle and spamming cav from like 15 stables
I feel like the way Blue play is how I imagined AOE2 would be like when I was little. Building a housing quarter, a military quarter, a town center with blacksmith and market. None of this quick wall BS lol.
Right??? I am in 1100 elo I see people microing 3 crossbows against a mangonel with full hp. I won the game spamming saracen siege ram+ onagers because he didn’t make a switch
@@tonimontana5875 it’s so sad. It’s the same in another game I play (Magic the Gathering): even low level try to imitate big guns and we end up playing against clones.
"Keep making villagers at your town center until you have 10. The more villagers you have, the faster your resources will come in." - William Wallace Campaign Guy
I played someone yesterday who was literally AFK the entire game. When I saw their score hadn't gone up in like 10 minutes I chatted something like "are you alive?" no response. RIP. I considered going in for the easy kill. Killed his vills and TC on fire. And then suddenly I saw the light. This was a golden opportunity to live in peace and prosperity! So I turned the baseball game on, made like 175 vills (not all at once because I was chilling), one of each military (just in case) and just relaxed playing medieval Simcity for like 2 hours until most of the resources were gone. Then I converted his scout and rushed the TC with my vills. I had to take a screenshot of the stats... Food collected: 198318 Wood collected: 124221 Stone: 8411 Gold: 47008 I'm pretty bad at these games, just started doing multiplayer, so it was nice to relax!
Bruh, I'm awful at multiplayer. And I seem to never improve, I'm like the ultimate casual player. So much so I renamed my profiles to "js the adequate". I rarely, if ever, play multiplayer, I just lose to anyone with some skill. Would have loved to play medieval simcity, tho.
I don't know how anyone thinks the blue player was a smurf. He literally took almost two hours to beat someone who was AFK. An experienced player would've realised he was playing against AFK and finished the game much sooner
I bet that red is a kid who was called away from their parent to do some chore they were supposed to do, but sneakily left the game open to come back to even though they weren't supposed to be playing anymore. They hastily did the chore and came back to the game only to be called back because the parent was not satisfied with their hasty work
"clean your room!" "ugh, okay!" _piles up the dirty dishes in one corner of the desk; throws a bunch of dirty clothes in the drawers; tosses the comforter over the un-made sheets_
I have 1 AFK story. i was playing against someone that was as bad as I am, I had slight food poisoning and had to go to the bathroom. So I queued 15 stables to spam paladins into my opponents base to keep him busy, came back to a win....
although logically the average 10yo would be terrible at aoe, we must realize all the benefits they have that we didn't at their age. many of them these days, upon joining their first ranked matches, may have a thousand hours of youtube aoe2 "experience". Every SotL video, the entire t90 legends series... They've got a lot of free time, and there's no shortage of tutorials. it also helps to not have a job haha
Watching these low elo legends actually made me start playing ranked. Before i played a few games and i always got stomped but i dropped down to 800-1000 and actually started winning, either i got better or i found my spot. Thanks T90 for giving me the confidence boost to keep going and also the Stars of the show, The low elo legends.
Well if he knows that it happens often maybe he can work out some strategies that address that, like rushing, or some strategy where suddenly spending all your resources is option, like goth flood.
I dig your perspective on low ELO legends. Im right there with ya, its almost like seeing the game for the first time again. Makes me nostalgic AF, thinking back to the good old days of coming in off the bus and hopping on some AOE, play all night with Adult Swim in the background . God I miss those days, but your content kinda offers me a window back to my childhood. So thanks man, I appreciate what you do.
One of my favorite videos is when T90 played the challenge maps against his brother and we got the true casual unmeta logic and explanation to all of his in game decisions.
When I played one of my first online games, I thought pausing works just as with AI. Mom told me to eat lunch so I opened my menu screen and then went to eat lunch.. but when I came back I was in Dark Age and getting raided by imp halbs. It was so funny
I won my first game! Went from 1000 Elo to 1049 Elo! Then I lost the next 30 or so games. Got as low as 140, now am back to 500. What a journey it has been.
I used to only make a few villagers at the start in AoM with the logic being "they don't fight anyways" and then I would play the entire game with like 7 vills XD
21:56 not only are high ELO players not smart enough to take the far resources, they also never think to delete the evidence! The enemy will never know that you have a whole pile's worth of gold and stone!
@@bibbobella Its a joke, though in seriousness, the extreme ends of mmr/elo systems do tend to suffer. There just aren't enough people in those parts of the bell curve to make nicely balanced games. The matchmaking either has to be slow or the system needs imbalanced games.
So one thing I’d LOVE to see… an APM limited top 10 player vs one of these guys/another sub 600. As in “Daut can only use his mouse and is only allowed 3 APM before ten minutes, then one extra every 10 minutes” or something along those lines. (No shift click/queue until 25 minutes.) Obviously numbers could move around, but yeah. Would be interesting.
I would like to countermand that other commenter. I enjoy it when you shout "SUPPLIIIIIES!" It's not like you're always shouting stuff, and it's memetic, kind of like a catch phrase.
On the ladder / ranked comments: i think part of the difficulty there is you start in the middle of the ladder, not the bottom. Some games start you off at the bottom - you're in Bronze by default and have to work your way up. Whereas AoE starts you right in the middle of the pack. So if you want to get to an appropriate rank, you have to lose quite a bit. Especially if you're new or don't really know what you're doing. So it can make for a tough experience - especially for people who don't fully realize this is how it works! Imagine being a noob (or like me you don't have to imagine) and you jump into ranked and get absolutely blasted a few times in a row. You think "man, I have no chance even against the lowest players!? How am I supposed to make any progress?" But you don't realize that you're starting out towards the middle rather than towards the bottom. My second ever ladder game I got tower rushed. Not a great experience for starting out on ladder. I imagine others have had similar experiences.
Agree with this, it should start from 0 elo, so it's not punishing for new players that want to try ranked game. I can imagine how stressfull to lose 10 game in row because they completely new to the game
DEFINITELY. It's not nice when you are literally a giant noob and you get TC dropped in the dark age. Not kidding. I was like 'is this really the meta?'
This way is better. If everyone started at zero, new players would constantly be getting annihilated by skilled players working their way up the ranks. By starting everyone at the middle, you minimize the maximum possible distance between any player's starting rank and their actual skill level, so people get placed where they're supposed to be much faster, get into appropriate matches faster, and spend less time being frustrated by steamrolls.
@@mrosskne I agree, I don't think my comment meant to say it's a bad thing but some may have interpreted it that way. The system itself isn't the problem - the problem is that the game doesn't explain this. As a new player people may not expect to start at 1000 elo or understand what that will mean for their experience.
I love the cozy little lumber glade that red has in the back of his base. almost makes me want to go nito the scenario editor and create some beautiful villages just for fun :)
I played exclusively in 4v4 games against the default AI, this is back with the Conquerors Expansion on CD. One game I remember specifically lasted something like six hours and it was Britons (incl. me) vs Franks team islands game. Presumably one of my allies built a wonder because I know we won. Basically, what I'd do is convert the enemy transport ships as they tried to land in our "harbour". And then I'd eject one unit at a time from the enemy transport ship and convert that! It was great fun. Of course, I saved it in the middle... made great use of the save game option, I did. Possibly in the same game, I also had fifty lbows and I just one shot everything. I also used to use lbows to siege castles (maybe with treb support, I don't remember). Two other games I remember were as the Koreans and Vikings. In the latter game, I had walls built on walls and it was just this mass slaughter as they walked up the island to my walls and got shot at by long boats. Eventually, I believe that game ended when I managed to swing round through where I believe two of my allies' bases had been and hit one enemy at a time in the side. The Korean game I remember much less clearly and I think I lost it. I was, in the part I remember, in a southern part of the map and I was fighting enemies below me. The longer the game and the more death and destruction, the better. There was no tactical play whatsoever... all strategic deployment of spamming whatever unit.
I looked up T90 the other day.. He places around 70 in NA. At a 50% win rate. Keep playing ranked! I found my elo it's around 800 and the ranked matches are fun as hell now.
That lumber camp at 9:38 was a high IQ strat, he saw how indecisive his opponent was and knew if he ever tried to attack; his army would be stuck in a loop going forwards and backwards. Love the videos btw :)
I think blue was red's boss and noticed that his opponent was one of his employee. Then he probably sent red to run some errands for the business right away so that he could get that easy win. :D
When i used to play this game i never really played ranked but if i played like i did then i'd definitely be low ELO. I was very rigid in the way i played i wouldnt advance to the next age until i researched every technology, i had to have 20 vill on food & wood, 10 vills on gold and stone, and gave up to any kind of pressure to easily unless i had a way to wall an tower the attacks.
actually hilarious! Red is me when i was in school, playing aoe2 while i was supposed to be doing homework and parents would walk by so i would minimize the game and they wouldnt see the tab at the bottom of the computer😂
He was also talking about how Blue wasnt such a bad player, even though Red was afk for 15 minutes, came back and if he had then pumped all res into paladin, attacked and gone afk again. He wouldve crushed Blue. 11
Had my first ranked experience recently, after watching over the last few weeks and playing on a laptop that ran the equivalent of two potatoes following Xbox release, first game I was way in over my head on Isles and we got absolutely trounced and unfortunately in my second game we got one AFK definitely some more watching and practice before I return to the ranked scene. Love watching you cast/play, GG against Emu when you ran for dinner, what a watch!
To "fix" the "people that play 4 ranked, lose all, and give up", I think a simple solution would be, when you start your ranked "career", just play a match against a person, online, who more closely match the highest density of rank available, because in probabilistic terms, that person will belong in that zone. Ex: join in, first game. 1% players are 0-200, 5% are 200-500, 7% 500-700, 15% 700-1000, 45% 1000-1400, 27% 1400-1700, .... So, my first game, I immediately join the 1000-1400 rank, which is where most people are. I lose, and I immediately jump to the 700-1000. Then I win, now, the "jumps" are slower and slower.... until, at the 10 match, I already have a good idea where I belong. This would just make the initial trip easier.
I feel like Luca is a kid who was playing at night past their bedtime, quickly turning off his screen and pretending to be asleep whenever their parents came in. We've all done it.
When I was young, I palyed AoK on PS2 with max of 4 players and 100 population (but only with up to 3 players, with the full 4 players, you only have max 75 pop). When I first played AoC on PC, I never had more than 25 villagers in Imperial Age, which to get there took me like an hour or so. The Medium AI in AoC was an impossible challenge for me to master. Now I am about on par with the Hard AI in AoE:DE. I don't know my Elo, because I didn't play multiplayer yet.
yeah, if I'm not spending a lot of time trying to get better, I don't really think it's worth the effort and the stress. Not that I expect to play well immediately, but even the process of realizing where I need to improve is stressful and unless I am all in on a game then it's definitely not worth it
Just wanted everyone to know that today I ate a Wendy's, Burger King, and McDonald's spicy chicken sandwich. My result are: 1 Wendy's; 2 McDonald's; 3 Burger King. Wendy's was by far the best. McDonalds and BK were similar but the BK sandwich was a big sloppy mess so I gave the edge to McD's. Ok have a nice day ppl.
i used to always build barracks on left side of the town center with blacksmith on right with houses in the back for aesthetic reasons as well as the fact without horkeys 3 buildings are right next to each other for research and production
Awww for the last couple weeks I had to realise that the LEL uploads were always from the parts of the stream that I caught live (even though I usually would only tune in for 30-45min), but I hadn't seen this one, and my ohh my :D Also T90, you screaming 'supplies' and 'heated shot' IS the reason I tune into LEL in the first place so please keep up the great work!!! Thank you for the cast! :)
I think newbies to AOE2 often think resources are immediately deposited in their bank as soon as it was collected (because that's what most other RTS do)
In regards to T90 talking about using a game vs the AI to get an initial Elo placement; King of Fighters XV does this. You enter ranked mode for the first time and it asks you to play against the AI 3 times (IIRC it's three different difficulty levels), and it will then assign you a rank based on your performance. It's pretty cool, and I think in a game with an even bigger playerbase like AoE it would be a good system. Obviously it's faster to play 3 games in a fighting game than it is in an RTS, but there could be some kind of way to transfer that with playing one game vs AI etc. I think it should be optional though, but with the warning that if you skip the AI game you'll get thrown into the 'mid rank'.
I remember a World of Warcraft raid, where in the middle of a fight, one of the players announced that he went to the sauna. Didn't return for 30 minutes. He was Finnish.
God this reminds me of a LAGtv starcraft cast with a player who tried the "build a spare building, fly it off to the corner and line your SCVs up next to your comand center" strat to make their opponent think that they were AFK/that the game glitched out. and then just sat like that for about 30 minutes while their opponent just never attacked.
I played at work a few times. My pc at home couldnt handle DE but i was an average hd player so I’d go afk when a patient would walk in ( walk in chiro clinic ) and I’d come back after the visit and i actually won a few of those when I first started playing de because they were matching me with people who were new to the game so i felt like it actually gave a few of them a fighting chance… but yeah sometimes id get 10 patients in a row and it would be an hour later and i was long dead 💀… I remember one guy had converted large numbers of my battle elephants while I was away and when i came back i was so confused out how he was making them as the britons or whatever he was. Good times… but I finally bought a laptop 🤙
I used to build my castle with 1 villager. I was always afraid to build a castle far away from my base because it would take so long and it might not finish. Of course I didn’t think about sending an army of villagers to build a castle because… honestly I don’t know why.
I feel like red knows exactly on what elo he is, so he knows hes got time, lets his vils do their thing, gets to make himself a nice sandwhich, comes back, queues some stuff and then eats his sandwhich before attacking.
i had some funnie gummies and watching this is just a ridiculous fun experience all around. so much extrapolation in the commentary but the stories are TIGHT
This video has finally inspired me to get the game (played it a bit when it first came out in 1999). As bad as I last was at this game, I now see there's still a place for me to have some successes. :D
Blue was the absoute classic LEL here. Do not attack until: - every single tech is researched - every forward ressource is taken - you have at least one of every possible unit the game offers - military is built up to pop limit
In theory they could also account for things like APM and how quickly your eco ramps up, maybe other stuff as well. Compare those values to the values at various ELO levels.
I'm a big fan of AoE, and I just found your chanel and your content is so funny and I really enjoy it! I remember to be that kind of person to click all techs because "the more, the better, lol"! Good stuf!
What I find most interesting is that blue is aware of the gathering point of their military buildings, but doesn't seem to know that it just works the same with the town center.
I was so young when I first played this game that I couldn't read English yet(not my mother tongue) and honestly, didn't know it was a game to fight in. It was my first time playing an RTS. I would place all sorts of buildings and build all sorts of things and suddenly the look of the buildings would change with little waterfalls and such and I loved it. I also remember opening a map and exploring and finding a building that shot at me. I had this king so I walked him up to the building that shot arrows at me in the hope it wouldn't shoot my king. It did and that ended the game. I was so confused.
i played as a kid and returned for DE. Only then i started playing ranked and get seated at 800. Worked my way up through LEL hints up to 940. Now i often use the quickplay lobby to try diffrent strategys besides booming without loosing ELO. I hope when i return to rank i will finally reach my goal of 1000 ELO
Last Saturday I was playing a campaign match where I was on an island. Mid game my mates call me to go out and I just shut the lid of my laptop thinking it should pause the game. I return 6 hours later to see all trees chopped and all fishes fished.
If you task a villager carrying food to another food source do they drop the food they're carrying? or was the 'lost the food' reference in regards to the villager that was killed by the Boar
CS:GO does something similar you must play 10 games before you can play ranked and rank up but dependent how many you won or lost that determined your ranked(Elo) bracket. However this is all done in a special queue that isn't ranked and you will go against other players doing the same thing and not others that are ranked until you have completed your 10 games.
When I was at a small private school we knew computers better than the computer teacher, so we snuck on a bunch of SNES games on floppy disks (this was over 20 years ago). So when she wasn't looking we were playing Megaman and Bomberman and stuff lol
Honestly you should start at maybe 200 elo and earn more from there. It sucks having played maybe six or seven ranked matches and getting absolutely rocked each time. Creates a real barrier to entry for newer/less experienced players like myself who want to get better.
I actually make forward lumber camps (and farms) when playing against my much more noob friends. They never scout the map after revealing an area once and since they're always 2 or more against me my town might fall due to overwhelming numbers, but my production aren't :D
31:20 The devs should learn about this, and give new accounts a starting ELO much under 1000. The current setup scares away new players. Especially ones who have beaten the campaigns, therefore they might think they are relatively good. They try out ranked, get stomped so badly they think the opponent cheated, and never touch ranked again.
I used to play some games while working at a University help desk in the evening shift. Probably 10% of the time I'd get interrupted like this from user calls.
31:22 I'm one of those people who didn't play 10 ranked games. ! won my first. Second failed to connect, but I didn't lose. Third, I was winning and got disconnected. Then the toher match updated, and I did lose. So instead of 2-0, I'm now 1-2, and my ELO at least 100 points lower than it should be. That's why I play lobby games.
So i used to never assign gather points because i could never put it back the same as when its the way it was untouched and that bugged me. I also used to not upgrade the knights because i liked how they looked so id have knights in imperial age and thats how it always was
When I was young I assigned exactly 10 vils to each resource and thought this was a well balanced eco. Then I created 150 of the unique unit and 10 trebs (all from a single castle of course) and after 2,5 hours I steamrolled the base of the medium AI.
Were you winning, son?
Eh 40 villagers felt like a lot back then for me. Much better to only make 3 for each resource and save the food for more military 💪💪
Noob
This is so realatable. I did the same thing too (actually 5 for stone and 10 for other resources).
brother, yes, this was my life. a card from hearthstone used say "BALANCE IN AAAALL THINGS" when i played it, and that sums up how i thought about 4x games. My houses had to be symmetrical, I needed one of each building and every tech researched.... the good old days. now i'm rushing castle and spamming cav from like 15 stables
I admire the persistence it takes to slog through defeat after defeat to get to 22 ELO
Can you still call it persistence if he's not even present? 11
@@heygek2769 bruh 11
@@RennieAsh reminds me of high school
pretty much 10 year old kids, nothgin wrong with that
Idk. He may just quit out as soon as he encounters someone being an annoying tryhard lmao
I feel like the way Blue play is how I imagined AOE2 would be like when I was little. Building a housing quarter, a military quarter, a town center with blacksmith and market. None of this quick wall BS lol.
Those times were simpler, we treated the game like a city builder, and just spammed whatever looked cool.
Right??? I am in 1100 elo I see people microing 3 crossbows against a mangonel with full hp. I won the game spamming saracen siege ram+ onagers because he didn’t make a switch
Thats still me to this day. I want my city to look like a city when i lose.
@@tonimontana5875 it’s so sad. It’s the same in another game I play (Magic the Gathering): even low level try to imitate big guns and we end up playing against clones.
“None of this quick BS “ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
"Keep making villagers at your town center until you have 10. The more villagers you have, the faster your resources will come in."
- William Wallace Campaign Guy
Don't forget!
Keep exploring the map.
classic 10 vills into fc build order
"Scrrw you William"
(makes 51 high villages)
WIL-YUM WAHL-US
Create extra villagers.
I played someone yesterday who was literally AFK the entire game. When I saw their score hadn't gone up in like 10 minutes I chatted something like "are you alive?" no response. RIP.
I considered going in for the easy kill. Killed his vills and TC on fire. And then suddenly I saw the light. This was a golden opportunity to live in peace and prosperity! So I turned the baseball game on, made like 175 vills (not all at once because I was chilling), one of each military (just in case) and just relaxed playing medieval Simcity for like 2 hours until most of the resources were gone. Then I converted his scout and rushed the TC with my vills.
I had to take a screenshot of the stats... Food collected: 198318 Wood collected: 124221 Stone: 8411 Gold: 47008
I'm pretty bad at these games, just started doing multiplayer, so it was nice to relax!
Bruh, I'm awful at multiplayer. And I seem to never improve, I'm like the ultimate casual player. So much so I renamed my profiles to "js the adequate". I rarely, if ever, play multiplayer, I just lose to anyone with some skill.
Would have loved to play medieval simcity, tho.
Lol leave one thing of theirs, harvest entire map
Quickplay can be fun.
Medieval sim city 😂😂😂
It's kinda how I like to play and reason Nr 1 why I don't do multilayer
I don't know how anyone thinks the blue player was a smurf. He literally took almost two hours to beat someone who was AFK. An experienced player would've realised he was playing against AFK and finished the game much sooner
I bet that red is a kid who was called away from their parent to do some chore they were supposed to do, but sneakily left the game open to come back to even though they weren't supposed to be playing anymore. They hastily did the chore and came back to the game only to be called back because the parent was not satisfied with their hasty work
How is your fumo collection proceeding?
yup. I have been red in many occasions
has kids, can confirm lol.
playing past bed-time. been there, done that.
"clean your room!"
"ugh, okay!"
_piles up the dirty dishes in one corner of the desk; throws a bunch of dirty clothes in the drawers; tosses the comforter over the un-made sheets_
I have 1 AFK story. i was playing against someone that was as bad as I am, I had slight food poisoning and had to go to the bathroom. So I queued 15 stables to spam paladins into my opponents base to keep him busy, came back to a win....
Bruh.
Hahahahahah.
Throw enoight shit at the wall......
weakest french paladins
Lool
What kills me with LEL is that thousand of people may have witnessed two 10 years olds click things at random for 2 hours
And, I'm the kind'a person who'd watch that, happily....
10 years olds are 1200 elo most likely
@@SA_Rocket You overestimate 10 years olds, unless it's CoD
Yeah, the way they built their bases looked like little kid version of me playing the game many years ago.
although logically the average 10yo would be terrible at aoe, we must realize all the benefits they have that we didn't at their age. many of them these days, upon joining their first ranked matches, may have a thousand hours of youtube aoe2 "experience". Every SotL video, the entire t90 legends series... They've got a lot of free time, and there's no shortage of tutorials. it also helps to not have a job haha
Watching these low elo legends actually made me start playing ranked. Before i played a few games and i always got stomped but i dropped down to 800-1000 and actually started winning, either i got better or i found my spot. Thanks T90 for giving me the confidence boost to keep going and also the Stars of the show, The low elo legends.
That is about my ELO. Probably will see you there sometime
The same here. I was always scared to start playing ranked games. But after seeing all the low elo legends I figured I can do this!! :D
i'm about to jump into ranked myself. i just love comp-stomping too much...
Very underrated comment. LEL has been huge for getting ppl to try ranked, or get back into it after many years.
Red's situation of having such a low elo almost entirely because every single game played gets interrupted sound like my worst fear.
That's how I got banned from league of legends
@@citricdemon That really sucks.
@@aggroknight4259 it absolutely does not
@@citricdemon yeah lol sucks
Well if he knows that it happens often maybe he can work out some strategies that address that, like rushing, or some strategy where suddenly spending all your resources is option, like goth flood.
I dig your perspective on low ELO legends. Im right there with ya, its almost like seeing the game for the first time again. Makes me nostalgic AF, thinking back to the good old days of coming in off the bus and hopping on some AOE, play all night with Adult Swim in the background . God I miss those days, but your content kinda offers me a window back to my childhood. So thanks man, I appreciate what you do.
One of my favorite videos is when T90 played the challenge maps against his brother and we got the true casual unmeta logic and explanation to all of his in game decisions.
Red was conserving energy for 30 mins, then spent all of it in a glorious burst and went to conserve some more 😀
When I played one of my first online games, I thought pausing works just as with AI. Mom told me to eat lunch so I opened my menu screen and then went to eat lunch.. but when I came back I was in Dark Age and getting raided by imp halbs. It was so funny
played my first ranked game after watching this and got to each age quicker than my opponent and still got overrun by halbs lol
Lol my first time I was completely over ran by Persian elefants with 0 army to defend myself
@@daltonking6956 My first game I got Persian douched, still managed to win though
Haven't won a ranked game since though
I won my first game! Went from 1000 Elo to 1049 Elo!
Then I lost the next 30 or so games. Got as low as 140, now am back to 500. What a journey it has been.
@@johnshite4656 nobody can take that rank away from you. At one point you were a 1k plus player.
60 Korean war wagons showing up to my base was my first online experience..
I used to only make a few villagers at the start in AoM with the logic being "they don't fight anyways" and then I would play the entire game with like 7 vills XD
I also used to only make 7 vills, in Age of Empires I! But I played hyper aggressive and could beat Hardest AI with that.
I mean, in AoM you need less vills than in AoE2, but 7 is too few even for that game 11
21:56 not only are high ELO players not smart enough to take the far resources, they also never think to delete the evidence! The enemy will never know that you have a whole pile's worth of gold and stone!
Except for the fact that they notice the resources are missing...
How is this fair, blue has more than 3 times more elo than red
Seriously, they need to fix match making, this is rediculous
@@kenanderson3954 yeah, its abluesurd
I mean at some point it can be hard to avoid....You could have 1 elo player vs a 3 elo player and it would still be 3 times as much elo....
@@bibbobella Its a joke, though in seriousness, the extreme ends of mmr/elo systems do tend to suffer. There just aren't enough people in those parts of the bell curve to make nicely balanced games. The matchmaking either has to be slow or the system needs imbalanced games.
PLEASE NO SIEGE
Just flank bro 😎 Kappa
@@gonsalomon it’s a song meme t90 just posted
So one thing I’d LOVE to see… an APM limited top 10 player vs one of these guys/another sub 600. As in “Daut can only use his mouse and is only allowed 3 APM before ten minutes, then one extra every 10 minutes” or something along those lines. (No shift click/queue until 25 minutes.)
Obviously numbers could move around, but yeah. Would be interesting.
so daut playing normally?
(jk praise Daut)
@@minikawildflower 😂 love it
Let them leave,I enjoy when content creators actually have a personality.
Red realized Blue was his son and went to the store to buy milk
I would like to countermand that other commenter. I enjoy it when you shout "SUPPLIIIIIES!" It's not like you're always shouting stuff, and it's memetic, kind of like a catch phrase.
disappointed by the lack of MURDER HOLES in this vid
On the ladder / ranked comments: i think part of the difficulty there is you start in the middle of the ladder, not the bottom. Some games start you off at the bottom - you're in Bronze by default and have to work your way up. Whereas AoE starts you right in the middle of the pack.
So if you want to get to an appropriate rank, you have to lose quite a bit. Especially if you're new or don't really know what you're doing. So it can make for a tough experience - especially for people who don't fully realize this is how it works! Imagine being a noob (or like me you don't have to imagine) and you jump into ranked and get absolutely blasted a few times in a row. You think "man, I have no chance even against the lowest players!? How am I supposed to make any progress?" But you don't realize that you're starting out towards the middle rather than towards the bottom.
My second ever ladder game I got tower rushed. Not a great experience for starting out on ladder. I imagine others have had similar experiences.
Agree with this, it should start from 0 elo, so it's not punishing for new players that want to try ranked game. I can imagine how stressfull to lose 10 game in row because they completely new to the game
DEFINITELY. It's not nice when you are literally a giant noob and you get TC dropped in the dark age. Not kidding. I was like 'is this really the meta?'
Me: *gets forward-based*
This way is better. If everyone started at zero, new players would constantly be getting annihilated by skilled players working their way up the ranks. By starting everyone at the middle, you minimize the maximum possible distance between any player's starting rank and their actual skill level, so people get placed where they're supposed to be much faster, get into appropriate matches faster, and spend less time being frustrated by steamrolls.
@@mrosskne I agree, I don't think my comment meant to say it's a bad thing but some may have interpreted it that way.
The system itself isn't the problem - the problem is that the game doesn't explain this. As a new player people may not expect to start at 1000 elo or understand what that will mean for their experience.
I love the cozy little lumber glade that red has in the back of his base.
almost makes me want to go nito the scenario editor and create some beautiful villages just for fun :)
I played exclusively in 4v4 games against the default AI, this is back with the Conquerors Expansion on CD. One game I remember specifically lasted something like six hours and it was Britons (incl. me) vs Franks team islands game. Presumably one of my allies built a wonder because I know we won. Basically, what I'd do is convert the enemy transport ships as they tried to land in our "harbour". And then I'd eject one unit at a time from the enemy transport ship and convert that!
It was great fun. Of course, I saved it in the middle... made great use of the save game option, I did.
Possibly in the same game, I also had fifty lbows and I just one shot everything. I also used to use lbows to siege castles (maybe with treb support, I don't remember).
Two other games I remember were as the Koreans and Vikings. In the latter game, I had walls built on walls and it was just this mass slaughter as they walked up the island to my walls and got shot at by long boats. Eventually, I believe that game ended when I managed to swing round through where I believe two of my allies' bases had been and hit one enemy at a time in the side. The Korean game I remember much less clearly and I think I lost it. I was, in the part I remember, in a southern part of the map and I was fighting enemies below me.
The longer the game and the more death and destruction, the better. There was no tactical play whatsoever... all strategic deployment of spamming whatever unit.
I looked up T90 the other day..
He places around 70 in NA. At a 50% win rate.
Keep playing ranked!
I found my elo it's around 800 and the ranked matches are fun as hell now.
That lumber camp at 9:38 was a high IQ strat, he saw how indecisive his opponent was and knew if he ever tried to attack; his army would be stuck in a loop going forwards and backwards.
Love the videos btw :)
"Setting a gather point for queued up Villagers? Why not just auto-play the whole game?!"
I used to hate when I accidently made a gather point with my TC and villagers would no longer spawn neatly right in front of it
I went through some recorded games from Luca and it is not uncommon that the APM drops to zero. It doesn't happen always, so it is very weird
"You went AFK for two hours to die like this?"
T90, I love the way you yell SUPPLIES!!!!
It looks to me like Blue has a strategic minds by building all those chokepoints coridors leading to his castles and armies.
I think blue was red's boss and noticed that his opponent was one of his employee. Then he probably sent red to run some errands for the business right away so that he could get that easy win. :D
lmao
I saw once game in total war warhammer where one player went AFk imidiatly and never returned... he won
3:17 woah what how do i get smaller trees in my games?
When i used to play this game i never really played ranked but if i played like i did then i'd definitely be low ELO. I was very rigid in the way i played i wouldnt advance to the next age until i researched every technology, i had to have 20 vill on food & wood, 10 vills on gold and stone, and gave up to any kind of pressure to easily unless i had a way to wall an tower the attacks.
gotta get that 100% tech on the achievements tab
How much further can the ELO bar lower at this point? we've had to have seen the actual worse AOE players still playing by now
Well, they had still 2 digits of Elo. Acording to AoE2 Ratings there is a person with an Elo between 0 and 9 xD
actually hilarious! Red is me when i was in school, playing aoe2 while i was supposed to be doing homework and parents would walk by so i would minimize the game and they wouldnt see the tab at the bottom of the computer😂
red played this game as if it was an idle clicker - just upgrade stuff to the point of autonomy and leave the game to do its thing.
"Blue is a very knowledgeable player... maybe doesn't know what does what..." man, you're sure trying hard to see the best in these guys.
He was also talking about how Blue wasnt such a bad player, even though Red was afk for 15 minutes, came back and if he had then pumped all res into paladin, attacked and gone afk again. He wouldve crushed Blue. 11
Had my first ranked experience recently, after watching over the last few weeks and playing on a laptop that ran the equivalent of two potatoes following Xbox release, first game I was way in over my head on Isles and we got absolutely trounced and unfortunately in my second game we got one AFK definitely some more watching and practice before I return to the ranked scene.
Love watching you cast/play, GG against Emu when you ran for dinner, what a watch!
To "fix" the "people that play 4 ranked, lose all, and give up", I think a simple solution would be, when you start your ranked "career", just play a match against a person, online, who more closely match the highest density of rank available, because in probabilistic terms, that person will belong in that zone.
Ex: join in, first game. 1% players are 0-200, 5% are 200-500, 7% 500-700, 15% 700-1000, 45% 1000-1400, 27% 1400-1700, ....
So, my first game, I immediately join the 1000-1400 rank, which is where most people are. I lose, and I immediately jump to the 700-1000. Then I win, now, the "jumps" are slower and slower.... until, at the 10 match, I already have a good idea where I belong. This would just make the initial trip easier.
Plenty of elo systems have something like this. A trial period where elo fluctuates highly.
I feel like Luca is a kid who was playing at night past their bedtime, quickly turning off his screen and pretending to be asleep whenever their parents came in. We've all done it.
That weird sound at 8:10 😂😂 T90 got offended , scared and disappointed at the same time.
When I was young, I palyed AoK on PS2 with max of 4 players and 100 population (but only with up to 3 players, with the full 4 players, you only have max 75 pop). When I first played AoC on PC, I never had more than 25 villagers in Imperial Age, which to get there took me like an hour or so. The Medium AI in AoC was an impossible challenge for me to master. Now I am about on par with the Hard AI in AoE:DE. I don't know my Elo, because I didn't play multiplayer yet.
My problem playing ranked is that I'm a try-hard. I can't relax, I have to do my best, but that's just stressful.
yeah, if I'm not spending a lot of time trying to get better, I don't really think it's worth the effort and the stress. Not that I expect to play well immediately, but even the process of realizing where I need to improve is stressful and unless I am all in on a game then it's definitely not worth it
Having market blacksmith next to the tc makes sense because go to tc hotkey is the easiest and most important
Come back for part 2. T90 casts a two hour video of the menu screen.
Way to go bud.
Man the AFK strat is strong. You walk away and when you come back you have a huge stockpile of resources to defeat the other player with lol.
Just wanted everyone to know that today I ate a Wendy's, Burger King, and McDonald's spicy chicken sandwich. My result are: 1 Wendy's; 2 McDonald's; 3 Burger King. Wendy's was by far the best. McDonalds and BK were similar but the BK sandwich was a big sloppy mess so I gave the edge to McD's. Ok have a nice day ppl.
i used to always build barracks on left side of the town center with blacksmith on right with houses in the back for aesthetic reasons as well as the fact without horkeys 3 buildings are right next to each other for research and production
Awww for the last couple weeks I had to realise that the LEL uploads were always from the parts of the stream that I caught live (even though I usually would only tune in for 30-45min), but I hadn't seen this one, and my ohh my :D
Also T90, you screaming 'supplies' and 'heated shot' IS the reason I tune into LEL in the first place so please keep up the great work!!! Thank you for the cast! :)
I just watched a game where the player was AFK. What is my life.
I think newbies to AOE2 often think resources are immediately deposited in their bank as soon as it was collected (because that's what most other RTS do)
"there was a tower, it was terrifying" lmao xD
In regards to T90 talking about using a game vs the AI to get an initial Elo placement; King of Fighters XV does this. You enter ranked mode for the first time and it asks you to play against the AI 3 times (IIRC it's three different difficulty levels), and it will then assign you a rank based on your performance. It's pretty cool, and I think in a game with an even bigger playerbase like AoE it would be a good system. Obviously it's faster to play 3 games in a fighting game than it is in an RTS, but there could be some kind of way to transfer that with playing one game vs AI etc.
I think it should be optional though, but with the warning that if you skip the AI game you'll get thrown into the 'mid rank'.
I remember a World of Warcraft raid, where in the middle of a fight, one of the players announced that he went to the sauna.
Didn't return for 30 minutes.
He was Finnish.
I'm guilty of taking the stone from the middle every single arena game, never did with wood though 🤣🤣
T90 sneaking out of math class...that explains his math skills
38:04 wonder if it's possible to have a disconnect, so that all those "game commands" went through at the same time?
No. The server knows whether the client (the player's game) is still connected. If not, the game stops.
God this reminds me of a LAGtv starcraft cast with a player who tried the "build a spare building, fly it off to the corner and line your SCVs up next to your comand center" strat to make their opponent think that they were AFK/that the game glitched out.
and then just sat like that for about 30 minutes while their opponent just never attacked.
I played at work a few times. My pc at home couldnt handle DE but i was an average hd player so I’d go afk when a patient would walk in ( walk in chiro clinic ) and I’d come back after the visit and i actually won a few of those when I first started playing de because they were matching me with people who were new to the game so i felt like it actually gave a few of them a fighting chance… but yeah sometimes id get 10 patients in a row and it would be an hour later and i was long dead 💀… I remember one guy had converted large numbers of my battle elephants while I was away and when i came back i was so confused out how he was making them as the britons or whatever he was. Good times… but I finally bought a laptop 🤙
this brought me so much pure joy starting with the houses in the back of blue's base.
I used to build my castle with 1 villager. I was always afraid to build a castle far away from my base because it would take so long and it might not finish. Of course I didn’t think about sending an army of villagers to build a castle because… honestly I don’t know why.
10:40 - T90 trys to do math. 39:53 - T90 admits he would skip math class in high school to play video games.
40:36 T90 claims he's good with math in his head.
About gaming at school: I had a CD-R that had ZSnes and some games on it. Passed it around to my buddies and we would net play TMNT: Turtles in Time
I feel like red knows exactly on what elo he is, so he knows hes got time, lets his vils do their thing, gets to make himself a nice sandwhich, comes back, queues some stuff and then eats his sandwhich before attacking.
Takes 40 minutes to make a sandwich? It better be the best sandwich ever!
i had some funnie gummies and watching this is just a ridiculous fun experience all around. so much extrapolation in the commentary but the stories are TIGHT
8:09 12 Ah! Being rushed!
This video has finally inspired me to get the game (played it a bit when it first came out in 1999).
As bad as I last was at this game, I now see there's still a place for me to have some successes. :D
I respect that red didn't have idle vills while AFK
When I played this game as a child I don’t think I ever attacked a single time. Even against computers. 😂
Blue was the absoute classic LEL here. Do not attack until:
- every single tech is researched
- every forward ressource is taken
- you have at least one of every possible unit the game offers
- military is built up to pop limit
Please don't listen to the hater. I only subbed to this channel to listen to you yell TEUUUUtons and KoREEEans. If you stop doing it, I will cry.
today i played my 3rd rank game ,i won without military ,i dropped a castle and my opponent resigns
Castles are scary
yeah i won via gathering 650 stone 😂😂
In theory they could also account for things like APM and how quickly your eco ramps up, maybe other stuff as well. Compare those values to the values at various ELO levels.
I'm a big fan of AoE, and I just found your chanel and your content is so funny and I really enjoy it! I remember to be that kind of person to click all techs because "the more, the better, lol"! Good stuf!
What I find most interesting is that blue is aware of the gathering point of their military buildings, but doesn't seem to know that it just works the same with the town center.
I was so young when I first played this game that I couldn't read English yet(not my mother tongue) and honestly, didn't know it was a game to fight in. It was my first time playing an RTS.
I would place all sorts of buildings and build all sorts of things and suddenly the look of the buildings would change with little waterfalls and such and I loved it.
I also remember opening a map and exploring and finding a building that shot at me. I had this king so I walked him up to the building that shot arrows at me in the hope it wouldn't shoot my king. It did and that ended the game. I was so confused.
i played as a kid and returned for DE. Only then i started playing ranked and get seated at 800. Worked my way up through LEL hints up to 940. Now i often use the quickplay lobby to try diffrent strategys besides booming without loosing ELO. I hope when i return to rank i will finally reach my goal of 1000 ELO
Last Saturday I was playing a campaign match where I was on an island. Mid game my mates call me to go out and I just shut the lid of my laptop thinking it should pause the game. I return 6 hours later to see all trees chopped and all fishes fished.
I'm actually quite disapointed. Everyone knows, you only attack once you reach 200 pop.!!
If you task a villager carrying food to another food source do they drop the food they're carrying? or was the 'lost the food' reference in regards to the villager that was killed by the Boar
CS:GO does something similar you must play 10 games before you can play ranked and rank up but dependent how many you won or lost that determined your ranked(Elo) bracket. However this is all done in a special queue that isn't ranked and you will go against other players doing the same thing and not others that are ranked until you have completed your 10 games.
IIRC StarCraft 2 has now some kind of "find a right start ranking/league by AI matches" approach, but not sure if it was there from the start.
How can I play against those "low- elo- legends". Do I have to loose on ranked a few dozen times to get down there?
When I was at a small private school we knew computers better than the computer teacher, so we snuck on a bunch of SNES games on floppy disks (this was over 20 years ago). So when she wasn't looking we were playing Megaman and Bomberman and stuff lol
Honestly you should start at maybe 200 elo and earn more from there. It sucks having played maybe six or seven ranked matches and getting absolutely rocked each time. Creates a real barrier to entry for newer/less experienced players like myself who want to get better.
If everyone started at low ELO, you would still be getting stomped, and it would take even longer for the good players to climb out of your ranks.
I actually make forward lumber camps (and farms) when playing against my much more noob friends. They never scout the map after revealing an area once and since they're always 2 or more against me my town might fall due to overwhelming numbers, but my production aren't :D
31:20 The devs should learn about this, and give new accounts a starting ELO much under 1000. The current setup scares away new players. Especially ones who have beaten the campaigns, therefore they might think they are relatively good. They try out ranked, get stomped so badly they think the opponent cheated, and never touch ranked again.
I used to play some games while working at a University help desk in the evening shift. Probably 10% of the time I'd get interrupted like this from user calls.
That Blacksmith placement for blue reminds me of vanilla Conquerors AI
41:52 Blue does not like to leave mining camps polluting the area, so deletes them.
31:22 I'm one of those people who didn't play 10 ranked games.
! won my first. Second failed to connect, but I didn't lose. Third, I was winning and got disconnected.
Then the toher match updated, and I did lose.
So instead of 2-0, I'm now 1-2, and my ELO at least 100 points lower than it should be.
That's why I play lobby games.
I laugh every time T90 does the sound effects 😂
So i used to never assign gather points because i could never put it back the same as when its the way it was untouched and that bugged me. I also used to not upgrade the knights because i liked how they looked so id have knights in imperial age and thats how it always was
That attack noise at 10:32 better be in the T90 Sound Mod Pack...
Having lost a ranked game today because my toddler decided get in trouble, yeah, it’s likely for sure. 11