Being one of the persons that watched the pilot many centuries ago (yea, I am old) I sat there with my father. He passed away 2 years ago but there are many fond memories. As a child & teenager we watched Star Trek, Buck Rodgers, Battle Star Galactica (both versions) & many other series over the past 5 decades. To watch The Cage & The Menagerie with my father places it in a special place for me. That started my adventures into Sci-fi. Well, I was propped up on pillows from what my dad told me. I was only 2 I think. I would have to look up when it actually aired. '65 I believe. Even my mom says I would stare at the console until the show was over.
They actually showed:The Cage on NBC to do an anniversary of the 1966 film 🎥 in the fall of 1986.And,yes,it was on in the fall,(September)of that year!
Aside from my being the 1981 model-year, pretty much the same story here. Itty bitty me watching TOS with my pa, too young to understand why the "green guy" had pointed ears, but glued to that screen all the same. Then came TNG, and my pa was one of those "not my captain" people up until season 2. At that point, he was finally willing to accept Picard and the gang as "part of our religion" (a joke about the fans who declare their fandom is like a religious experience). Our "religion" also included a healthy Star Wars obsession, Reeves' Superman, Red Dwarf, all built on a solid foundation of Doctor Who (classics, of course).
I'll just say this: I'm 45 and one of the first projected fi[ms I saw was The Wrath of Khan. I was hooked, immediately. I have since consumed all things Trek, literally (and not the way my daughters use the word). Over the years, Star Trek has brought me JOY! Good or bad, it's always been joy, and that seals the deal for me. I'll eat this up with a spoon, and I will throw money at every version, again and again, because I am, at heart, a realist and a scientist at heart. Growing up on a rural, non-light polluted 165 acre cattle farm looking at constellations with your dad, eagerly awaiting the next VHS rental of Carl Sagan's "Cosmos"...you just can't beat that, folks. It's Trek...bring it on.
@@michaelmorris589 many many episodes of TNG were spent talking about feelings. In fact the majority. You're allowed to move on from TNG. Not all Star Trek has to be a remake of TNG. Change is okay. New things are okay. You don't have to eat the same thing for every meal your entire life. I love TOS, TNG DS9 Voyager Enterprise, but the writing and acting were hokey and unnatural by design. And filled with plot contrivances and conveniences that don't make sense. We don't have to emulate that forever.
@@GregorySnipe TNG character development was "30 Something in Space". It was done in the era of 30 Something, Moonlighting, Murphy Brown, various Lawyers in Love shows so the writers used many of those contemporary tropes. If you watch mid 60s popular: 12 O'clock High, The Big Valley and Daniel Boone...you'll see a lot of similar writing and character interplay with Star Trek 1966-69... You'll also here the not so original music on Star Trek....including the opening fanfare theme.
One thing I think they really got right in addition to the structural design is the lighting. It's just so warm and it all blooms without the need for lens flare. It's just cozy and happy. I love it.
I disagree, what made star trek "cozy" was the carpet. The shiny floors and reflective screens and spot lights everywhere is just bad. They have to go back to what made us all fans, get the focus off the environment and let us focus on the actors/charactors. For some reason they LOVE reflections and glossyness in the new star trek shows. It was not like that before. One thing I did notice is they got rid of the sparks everywhere in battles now its replaced by flickering screens and fog machines.
J.J. Abrams’ over usage of lens flares, became his “signature” (not in a good way). Lighting is tricky (I did theatre lighting in college and for professional shows in 1970s), especially when TOS lighting varied with new usage of color in TV (1960s).
@@cranbers I thought both of the first two episodes were incredibly character focused. I mean they spend about 10 minutes in Pike’s quarters getting to know Uhura alone. Discovery was terrible at it because I still don’t know everybody’s name but on a strange New World I already know all the characters names and more about them than I ever did on Discovery. So I think they’re moving in the right direction.
@@harveytherobot This is true, they are moving in the right direction. If you compare TNG to strange new worlds, that is what were used to and allowed you to focus on the characters instead of the distractions that is the sets, all those glossy floors and reflective surfaces. And a fireplace? Seems like a waste of oxygen on a star ship so very strange.
They did the Connie justice with this version. It holds true to the 60s version, with just enough modern changes to make it look, honestly, even better. Much much better than that hideous 2009 JJ trek version.
I agree. It looks great. A combination of the JJ style with the classic ship was the perfect way to go. It's very pretty without being overdone in any way.
In 1968 (I think) a book companion to the TV series was published which lots of useful information that seems to have been changed over the years. One of these was that Federation ships usually are made up of one specicies from the same planet. The reason Spock was on the Enterprise was because he was half human. Also, food was real food, not synthisised, kept in storage and served seemingly fresh. Wish I still had that book.
It was Neelix on Star Trek:Voyager who turned Captain Janeway's Private Captains dining hall into a mess hall for the crew and it stayed that way all the way through Voyager's journey through the Delta Quadrant.
Fairly confident Pike (and Spock and number One) were always intended as a season-long backdoor pilot in a way. They've been looking to do spinoffs of Discovery since like the 1st season. Here's hoping this remains a good one, like Frasier.
@@paradisebreeze1705 I'm hoping it will have as many stories as TNG and branch off into movies like captain Kirk's crew did. Wouldn't that be something?
That could be the case, I've read that Gene always wanted to use holo tech as far back as TOS but there was no right way to do it at the time. Someone said there's early TOS era Enterprise design diagrams where they've left space for basically mini holodecks. The thinking being that the crew stuff in deep space for 5 years and who never actually leave the ship could go in and relax a bit. Not till TNG did they have the budget to put the idea to use, and also scale it up.
First, let me say Pike's Enterprise looked a lot more spiffier that Kirk's in TOS. (Of course, they didn't have the budget back then.) Also, Pike's Enterprise has a larger crew complement than Kirk's. In the 2009 reboot, the number was said to be between 700 and 800. I doubt we will get to see the Enterprise under Kirk's command, since this series is ten years before the 'Holy Trinity.' So far, I'm loving the series!
The Kelvin timeline Enterprise was MASSIVE. Based on scaling of the shuttlebay, it was about the dive of the Enterprise D. Of course, this could just be because JJ Abrams has shown to have difficulty with distances and sizes.
The Kelvin time line of the movies has a very scaled up Enterprise. All the ships are bigger in the movies. This being in the Prime timeline you have to go with the info in the tv shows. When Kirk is in charge the Enterprise has 438 crew members on it, iirc. Right now when Pike is in charge that number is around 200. I think by Kirks time they felt more comfortable taking more people out into deep space so he has a larger crew. They could also have added different scientific teams then which aren't on Pikes crew.
@@GPsarakis since machines get smaller in time , many bulkheads were removed giving more room for crew quarters as you see how big the bridge is that it was reduced for more room .
@@paradisebreeze1705 I didn't say it was the best, just that it looked nice...and it does. They more or less modernized the original design unlike the abomination JJPrise.
@@paradisebreeze1705 I just wonder how the ship SHRUNK so much after Kirk took command? The SICKBAY in this ship looks larger than the SHUTTLEBAY on Kirk's Enterprise! And why are all of the corridors wide/tall enough to accommodate the Macy's Day Parade?!?! I mean the Enterprise D was meant to be larger, with more crewmembers, and it STILL didn't need hallways 20 feet wide?
@@StreetPreacherr I agree. Pike's command was before Kirk. The ship can't be more modern than itself at following years, i.e. under Kirk's command because it's after Pike's. Some people explain this as adaptation to nowadays, but, for me, it's not correct.
@@antoniocarlosruizfernandes9575 just pretend it's in an alternate reality created by the events of Star Trek: First Contact. That would explain why things look the way they do in Enterprise as well and how that would have impacted the way tech was developed
The walk area behind/around the transporter could be for when a large number of people need to be beamed up or down in an emergency. For instance: Without it, people on the back pads would need to cross over the front transporter pads to get off of it, whereas in an emergency where you are beaming up as many people as possible, people can just hop straight off the pad they beamed up on and then have a convenient corridor for them to get out of the way while the next group is being beamed up. Whether we'll ever see it used or if it's just a fun little design thing, who knows.
And guessing what look like large doors behind Kyle are for cargo. Guessing the panel in the way can be moved or sunk into the floor to off-load larger items, or things you wouldn't want going through crew corridors.
@@jkbughunt If you want to play the canon game, site-to-site wasn't common until TNG and later. Scotty used it all of once in TOS, suggesting it's not exactly a common-place ability pre-TOS, so extra space around the transporter pads would be useful until site-to-site becomes more common. But let's be real here, this is all speculation around a small design decision. Do you really think a corridor surrounding the transporter pad is a huge problem? No. It's a detail that may have no impact at all.
The thing is, it's not like the Enterprise (original 1701) hasn't been retrofit multiple times! Come the movies, the hallways became narrow and more submarine-like than the more expansive halls seen in the Original Series. I've really enjoyed Strange New Worlds so far, and I can't wait to see more of this legendary Vessel - hopefully, it can get more seasons than the original did!
Very true. Plus, under Kirk the crew size of the enterprise doubled, so it’s likely that the ship would have had a big interior refit where extra rooms like lounges were converted to more crew quarters and perhaps more science labs and work stations.
@@barrybend7189 Yeah, you have to ignore the scaling issues. Even within SNW, the scaling is really inconsistent; just look at the size of the room Uhura and Hemmer were trapped in when fighting the Gorn in S1… yet the scale of the windows would imply a much smaller ship. I honestly wish they’d just ignored Discovery and said it’s the same size as TOS, it wouldn’t really affect anything in the show. For me, the Enterprise is and always will be 289 meters for the original and 305 meters for the refit, and if SNW says otherwise I will simply ignore it because it is wrong lol.
@@johnsledge3942i played the Discovery missions in STO with a TOS Connie and despite the difference in style fits really well with the Discovery ships. Without looking tiny.
My stance on this new Enterprise is this: Given all that we have come to know about in-universe starship design since the 1960's, this version makes a lot more design sense. Her design language is closer to the NX-01, which is a nice bridge between eras, and also makes her later 2270 refit make more sense as well. It's a modern take on an iconic design. I love it.
I'm missing the joke dig at the actor portraying Robert April why his character moved on giving command of the Enterprise to Pike. Is that some TOS pre production lore I've never heard of? 🤔
Robert April was only ever just a name during TOS’s early development. Roddenberry changed the show’s lead’s name to Christopher Pike sometime when working on the pilot, and then another writer decided to use it as the Enterprise’s first captain for an episode of the animated series. Adrian Holmes also plays Uncle Phil on the new Fresh Prince reboot-I’ve heard that show’s not great, but nothing bad about the actors themselves. Not sure why it’s evidently worth derailing a review to imply negative things about someone who’s essentially a guest star.
Constitution class Enterprise never been my favourite but after second episode in, OMG I’m in love. The aesthetic, the vibe the design of the interior is gorgeous, retro but also ultra modern like an Apple store. The ship itself is industrial and purposeful with a hint of menace. Not bloated. Gonna get a model of this
Industrial...the word I was looking for. When they do a close up of Enterprise after she drops out of warp, there is a settling in cooling industrial battleshippy feel and sound to the old girl. Rock solid. Reliable. And we have arrived.
Oh this ship, inside and out is absolutely GORGEOUS!!!!!! The people behind this design, the classic curves with modern updates just..... ITS ABOUT FREAKING PERFECT!!!!! Sorry....
@NettiesKid you don't get it... Even Enterprise looked more advanced than TOS...the franchise has to move along with expectations of what the technology would be like for it to be viable. Holding it to what we imagined possible 60 years ago is laughable. If this series continued in continuity up to voyager or even TNG, their tech would be accordingly more advanced from this.
IMHO some people are stuck in 20th Century set design that was cheap low budgeted...but worked for its time on early tv...to be relevant in the eyes of the 21st century audience Star Trek had to evolve as tv evolved over the years...that's why changes happen....even the ship has been jacked up in looks and style from the 1960s...it's STILL that starship Pike commands now and Kirk gets years from now...it's all good...no need to adhere to primitive standards of old television....LLAP!!🙂
If by some chance that this ship design does become a reality, then we as a people and a society have to give our future the best chance for the best result. Who always wants to walk backwards? Moving forward and taking it to the next level is our best choice in my opinion. I'm for the first time in years I am excited to see where this is going. There has to be enough about this ship design to be around for almost 60 years. Just imagine in the next several years, what will we be doing next concerning all of this.
The blue color in the shot at 4:59 reminds me a lot of the look of the Star Trek 25th Anniversary PC game. I wonder if they drew inspiration from that.
Something I always thought was missing along with a direct transporter pad to sickbay, which isn't just for injuries, but isolating crazily-infected folks that would be hazardous limping along hallways turbolifts and more hallways before getting isolated...on a ship that necessarily recirculates air.
In TOS there was a transporter pad just for cargo, in the after section of the saucer for bulk supplies and stores. Tech manual stated in an emergency situation it could handle 24 personnel but at some risk to crew using it.
I like that it actually feels like the size it's depicted. That was always my issued with the older shows when you'd see the interior, the halls were always cramped, the rooms small. With this one, the halls seems massive, the rooms crazy big, like engineering actually seems like the proper size you'd expect it to be in a star ship.
@NettiesKid Except for boomers every Naval personnel can breathe air and see the sun on a blue water ship. Not so much on a starship and cramming everything in wouldn't be conducive to 5 year missions where not everyone gets to go on away missions.
@@OpenMawProductions There's honestly no issue with this having bigger spaces in it. People want to tag some in-universe/canon reason to everything, but the real world reason is that the older shows don't have anywhere near the budget the new shows get. Plus the CGI abilities of today allow for you to digitally expand a set beyond what you've built, like with this version of engineering. If they had this ability back in the TOS time, they'd have done it. Hell in Genes original notes there were ideas for doing the holodeck and holo communication areas back in TOS, pretty sure the old TOS Enterprise design diagrams have "holo spaces" shown in them. It only took until TNG and a bit of a bigger budget for them to finally add that idea in. As far as in-universe, this time period the ship only has around 200 people on it, Later when Kirk takes over that number has doubled to over 400. This is canon, as far as I've read and SNW hasn't said how many people are on it, so doesn't look like they've retcon'd that little bit. It's easy to see how adding more crew and space for other things (for the next 5 year deep space mission), means you have to shrink/re-design the inside to accommodate twice as many people.
@@GPsarakis In fact, the corridors in ToS were only as big as they were to allow camera equipment to navigate them. The opinion was they were too big, representing a ridiculous waste of space, but cameras and sound and sleds got the last word. Budget issues caused lots of problems but being cramped, as much as possible, was a deliberate choice.
@@FMChimera They did that later in the movies but then in TNG they made everything big again, so that thinking changed. Unless you figure they're bigger because the ship is bigger but you could still say that it's a waste of space in TNG.
The constitution was the flagship of the federation. The enterprise was part of an exploratory fleet. Mapping the outer regions of federation territory and documenting inhabited worlds.
It's explicitly stated on a number of occasions that Enterprise is the flagship. Never once is the Constitution even mentioned, let alone as the flagship.
@@andrewm3210 1701 was only a flag ship twice in the series and only because there was an admiral on board. During that time. The constitution was the flagship.
@@johnchristopherrobert1839 that is your own headcanon. In SNW episode 3, Dr. M'Benga explicitly states that he is "the chief medical officer, on the flagship of Starfleet," which is a direct quote, and can be also heard in M'Benga's promo for SNW. So that's pretty much an open and shut case.
I'm really digging the new designs. IMHO they struck a pretty great middle ground between something that's recognizably The Enterprise, but also looks suitably futuristic through modern eyes.
I agree. It is a much better design then the New Trek movies for honouring the past. Even the bridge controls feel that way, still lots of buttons and "dumb" screens but also a mix of what we have now with touch screens and such. The designers in this show really looked carefully at the original series and pulled out things that they could tweak and update, or just leave as is.
This is the first "modern" version of the original Enterprise I have actually liked. The JJ version from the recent films is downright fugly. This one? It looks credible. The proportions are right. In spirit, it very much honors the TOS Enterprise. If Roddenberry were still around, I think he just might approve of this particular redesign.
I love the new design of the Constitution Class. It's very functional in many ways and just looks awesome. Some diehard fans of the original Constitution design may complain that it's not "canon" but to me, I love all the Star Treks and fundamentally, all the different designs, layouts, uniforms, technology, etc., etc. encompasses IDIC: Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. This new show is fantastic! LLAP!!
Purists who think it should look the same as it was in the '60s wouldn't understand that we aren't in the '60s and our technology has evolved - it would get harder and harder to make it look exactly like it did in the '60s and have it work on TV now. As it is, the NX Enterprise ends up looking more advance than what the TOS Enterprise did!
@@Elitrian , "purists wouldn't understand"? If one today were to dramatise the USS "Constitution" frigate bombarding the Tripoli pirates of two centuries past, would it serve to install aboard the CGI model the gunnery of a later period because of the difference in time during production? Another point: I shall distill this to basic maths; the Starship Enterprise of Captain Pike (Jeffrey Hunter) in "The Cage" was approximately 289 metres long. The Starship Enterprise of Captain Pike in this new version is 442.06 metres long. How can one reconcile those? What do we not understand? In the end, fact and logic--savour that word--must have precedence.
@@DavidRLentz I've been watching Star Trek since TOS was all there was. I still love the old show. But you can't make a sci-fi series in the 2020s using 1960s sets. It wouldn't be credible. To be brutally honest, it would look ridiculous. It didn't look ridiculous back then, but it would now. If they had had today's technology back in 1966, TOS would have looked something like this. I think this is a reasonable update that draws upon the 1960s source material but makes it look credible for today's audiences.
@@paulwhite6745 , three words for you: Star Trek: Continuum (if I remember correctly the name). Another production team had made others; both were just fine. The same score, sets, costumes. Check and mate. "Sure you don't know what irritation is, Mr. Spock?"
The "cut-outs", as you call them, on the struts holding up the nacelles, believe it or not, actually strengthen the struts. I saw a whole video on the science of this very subject.
I was gonna say I love the SNW version of the Enterprise... except for the odd slits in the nacelle pylons that seemingly have no purpose other than to 'look cool'. It's nice to know there may be a valid reason why they're there.
The Enterprise in the original series was a major departure from spaceships from previous science fiction shows and movies. All previous ships were the classic ‘rocket ship’ or ‘flying saucer’ in appearance. And here comes this unique shape. Absolutely beautiful. The lens flare was overdone but the Abramsverse Enterprise was lovely, too. Strange New Worlds is a great update of the classic original style given the better detailing 50+ years of modeling and computer graphics permits. As for how the nacelles mount, I can see the cutouts as possibly an improvement in structural integrity while reducing overall mass. The paired pylons might offer better resistance to applied force from the nacelles being used compared to a single, solid mount. If nothing else, they look lovely.
I know everyone here has a story about Star Trek TOS as a kid. I just wanted to share mine, as around the time Strange New Worlds was released my grandpa has passed away, I've already watched the show a few times, as well as a majority of all the other media but find myself still searching the Strange New Worlds intro and this was the second result. I already knew he absolutely loved Star Trek, it's what even got me into it in my late teens, as when I was a kid I thought it was kind of boring. Due to some legal issues with wills and stubborn family I only recently was given access to a few of the things my grandpa left behind after he passed and deep at the bottom of a bag of much random odds and ends there was a little wooden Enterprise, carved out of wood with the gaps between the saucer/nacelles/secondary hull painted black so it has held together fairly well..as much as I loved my grandpa he definitely wasn't a craftsman but it's clear he made it with a lot of love and care. I recently propped it on a model stand and have it sat on my desk and aside from a pin hole to attach the stand, I'd never dare modify it in any way. I really wish he got to have seen atleast the intro to Strange New Worlds, I'm sure it would have blown him away seeing the original ship looking so good.
@@marvinmallette6795 mmm nope. During Kirks time the Klingon Empire and the Federation was in a State of cold war that only ended after Praxis blew up. Tension then decreased afterwards. Also with Romulan aggression kicking up and their known ability to hack into other ships would lead to the Federation hardening their tech against such attacks.
@@marvinmallette6795 often times a cold war can be more tense. The constant threat of war that can lead to war. The incident that lead to the organians. The constant back and forth between Kirk and the Klingons. The 2 missions on screen with the Romulans. Irl the US was more combat active during the cold war. During the federation's cold war it could possibly be that Star inched closer to a military organization. Which finally ended at Praxis.
I thought the Chief Medical Officer under Captain Pike, was Dr. Boyd, not Dr. M'Benga..... you know, the "Now you're sounding like a Doctor, Bartender."
I can't understand how a ship can be more modern than itself in following years. If Pike was captain before Kirk, and he was, his Enterprise can't not be so.
I have heard from a couple of orthodox purists who hate this show already because "it looks NOTHING like the Enterprise from The Cage!" Sigh. Well, I replied, if the show in 1965 had the budget, the time, and the technology to make the ship and the show look like this, then they definitely would have it this way! Two episodes in and I am enjoying it immensely
I have been a Trekker since the show was first shown and have loved the all the improvements and upgrades to the ship over the decades. My favorite though is 1701-A. But this beautiful version for Capt. Pike's Enterprise just might sway me to make it my favorite. Its a terrific redo. Of course ALL the upgrades and redo's over the years have a lot to do with budgets and technology. Still, the people responsible for the new looks did a great job.
@@connorm200 No it hasn't. We've had movies based on the franchise that were action oriented to appeal to larger audiences, while Discovery has been nothing like trek. Very drama driven, a dearth of moral and scientific quandry, it's nothing like Enterprise, Voyager, TNG, or the TOS. Picard hasn't been good, and is missing the vital elements that made Picard a likable captain, as well as the feeling of optimism and curiosity TNG embodied. I appreciated the movies for what they were, tried to enjoy Discovery, lost interest after a few seasons. When I watched SNW, I cried. Everything that was missing from "Nu Trek" was present in SNW. The episodic format, the scientific quandry, the moral dilemmas, likable characters, and most importantly of all: Spock's brain. SNW is the most Star Trek the series has been since Enterprise.
@@altima22689 Having lived through the release of TNG, What you are saying is what every old Trek Fan had also said about TNG. Everyone then screamed from the rooftops how TNG was not THEIR Star Trek, and how Picard was just a bald pretender to Kirk's throne. They then said it about Enterprise too, and before that TAS and the Movies. They were every bit as wrong as you are now. ALL Trek produced by Paramount is Trek. Its an evolving franchise and the only thing that you have any real control over is if you will evolve along with it, or stay stuck in the past.
@@talyn3932 Ratings don't lie, Nu Trek has not fared well. If it's so great and a natural evolution of the series itself, then Strange New Words wouldn't exist in the first place. I didn't dismiss Discovery the moment it aired. I watched two seasons and gave it the college try, like the majority of people, it wasn't for me. The languishing of the next ST movie, the middling ratings of Discovery and Picard, Pine's comments on actually making a show/movie people want to watch is emblematic of that. It's not the fans fault for not "evolving" to meet the vision the show runners have for the show, it's up to the show runners to make something that the fans want to commit their money to, and Strange New Worlds is knocking it out of the park.
@@altima22689 Discovery did good enough for a 4th season, plus its a streaming only series, so ratings don't apply the same way. As for the Abrams movies, they Blew all other Trek movies away. So far Picard is going strong. Seems like "Nu Trek is doing JUST FINE and sour grapes is still just that... sour grapes. Strange New worlds exists BECAUSE Nu Trek is turning out to be profitable and popular, or else it would not have been green light. The inverse just simply isn't how this stuff works. You don't bank on a new series in a failing franchise. I'm a very very very long time Star Trek fan and I will tell you with absolute confidence that the people you claim as the majority are in fact the Minority. Star Trek in it's new form is just as popular as Star Trek ever was and dealing with the same salty fans from previous series as it always has. It thrives despite you and I am very happy for that.
I'm so happy to see new Star Trek on... it's so great to feel a full complement of shows - but I do wish they had more "same time" series - like TNG, DS9 and Voyager, where you could have crossovers.
@@Anth230 It was OK but seemed underpowered and instead of the massive blue twin beam phasers of the original series it had miniguns which extended from the interior. Those worked well against the Romulan projectiles in the final battle but why were they ineffective when they dropped out of warp at Vulcan? I think Pikes Enterprise looks more realistic up close. Just my opinion. PS Love how the main Bridge railing lights up bright orange during 'red alert'.
I'm not sure who is behind this show yet, but it is already leaps and bounds ahead of Discovery. I think the forward lounge is a mix between the old and new. Financial constraints, along with tv technology kept the original trek from having such graphics but I'm sure the lounge is an attempt to combine the future 10 forward with what passed as the lounge in the original series. Can you Imagine the Cheron preaching, or the space hippies playing music in such a room? Kirk and Spock playing 3D Chess? Yep. Somebody in production is ACTUALLY a fan of the original show and it's giving SNW a great start.
I'll bet having that crew lounge at the front of the saucer section of the Constitution Class both the original configuration and the 2270's Refit is what gave the designers of the Galaxy Class the idea for 10 forward at the very front of the saucer section of the Galaxy Class Starships like the Galaxy Class U.S.S. Enterprise.
@@Tim85-y2q As I recall, Ten Forward was part of designer Andrew Probert's work for the Enterprise D, but his rather different-looking Ten Forward concept was never used and he left TNG after season 1. The original 6 foot model of the Enterprise D built by ILM did not have the distinctive windows of Ten Forward until the model was refurbished for Generations in 1994. However, the later 4-foot model built by Greg Jein that was used for season 3-onwards did incorporate Ten Forward into it's (much thicker) saucer rim.
After the clusterfuck of designs that 'Discovery' gave us, I'm so glad SNW is sticking with TOS-era ships, albeit with a modern makeover. It looks even better than the Abramsverse ship.
The sickbay transporter is a great addition as site-to-site transport wasn't a thing in this era. The process of transporting from one area to another without the use of a transporter pad was considered very risky during Kirk's tenure as Captain, so using it on sick or injured people would probably be frowned upon.
I really love this take on the original Enterprise so far. Everything is reminiscent of the original series in terms of essence, color, and basic setup...but given a nice modern sheen and some things that might not have been possible to depict with 1960's era special effects can finally be explored. It really feels like Starfleet's hotrod era in a way that feels consistent with everything before and after. Definitely agree with people talking about the lighting. Losing the over the top lens flare on the bridge was a fantastic decision too, the new design of the classic bridge is cool enough it doesn't need that covering it up. The lighting in general is a nice balance of being bright, but not SO bright that it feels like every corridor and room is a damn Target store. My one gripe is I'm still not completely sold on the bridge front window, and the little crevice in front of it that the registry number rests on now but it's not a deal breaker I can get used to it.
I’d say that newer starfleet ships had windows during green and yellow alert or something and the window would be covered by a bulkhead in red alert and replaced with a screen showing the front.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and form possibly provided indeed, love the ship very cool looking indeed and very nicely well done in every detail, still though she basically looks like an upgraded refit version from the original TOS Enterprise on which I myself am still very fond of as when I saw her for the first time on the TV screen back in the mid 60's👌.
I'm a bit of a mid-century modern fan so the look of Pike's quarters, with those exposed, angular structures, looks cool. The fire in that sweet pad could, I'm guessing; be safely contained in a force-field. :)
I am stoked with this new series. It feels looks and smells like trek. And the weight Pike is carrying on his shoulders about his future fate is just going to add more to the story. can you imagine having too deal with that? And commanding the fleets Flagship? Tough man. Shows his humanity and how fleeting our time is here. I love Strange New Worlds.
I must admit, It pisses over the Kelvin T/L...Didn't mind it first but rapidly came to dislike it. Engineering looks fucking amazing, And so does the transporter room, And the bridge. These are ALL my focus on Star Ships, Especially Engineering. Sick bay is also...Sick!I Really hope we get deck plans sometime...👽🖖
Yes another strong independent woman that can do anything better than a man ..you're right it's the best thing to ever happen to Star Trek.🙄 Now Uhura on the other hand I think is being handled much better than Chapel.
I'm here because I don't do any streaming services. So thank you for providing this. All I can say about Pike's Enterprise was pretty much put forth in the TOS pilot and later on, again in "The Menagerie pts. 1 and 2. Spock went mental, Pike disagreed, of course he would, but it ended up well more or less. As far as the Enterprise goes... I wish people would quit messing with it. Yes I know bigger budget and better SX, But leave things be. I actually like the Enterprise how it was not any of these upgrades or re-imaginations.
@@michaelmorris589up the budget and detail but for God's sake stop redesigning and recasting the ship. Also we see a Kirk era Connie in Picard season 3. We could have gotten a better detailed yet faithful ship and updated interiors( take the refit bridge and corridors but tos modify them). The Discovery Connie is like putting a giant to play Tirien Lannister. The fact Resurrected starships made an updated Connie without doing what Paramount did is proof enough.
Your thumbnail is the clearest and brightest pic I've seen of the ship in SNW. Wish they would brighten up the E more! I really hate the pewter lead looking metal the hull seems to be made of.
Just looking at the warp core for the Constitution Class U.S.S. Enterprise in this new Star Trek series it reminds me a bit of the warp cores of both the Galaxy Class and the Sovereign Class U.S.S. Enterprise.
@@DavidRLentzyeah as the original warp core was based on US Navy Cruiser oil boilers. That's why the NX-01's warp core looks like a steam boiler from a mid to late ironclad.
Possible In-Universe explaination: Temporal cold war time shift under Capt. Archer's Enterprise NX-01, made April's/Pike's Enterprise more advanced, but tech constraints, duotronic vs. experimental positronic made tech really large and space consuming. Modern day Example: Radio tubes vs. Transistor Circuits. Analog vs. Digital. Tech advances; gets more compact, does more, safer to operate, you don't need to dedicate as much space for it. Thus, why Scotty was so amazed at the size of crew quarters on the Enterprise D. In that sense the larger spaces were not due to tech constraints, but for crew comfort/morale.
Model stands up, enough like the original while updated for today's screen. Set designs are absolutely gorgeous for much the same reason. They took just enough liberties to set this ship apart and modernize it, while incorporating the core aesthetic of the original design.
Thanks to Adam and team for a great video about a great ship. It really is a pretty spiffy ship which obviously was in the time before Star Fleet experienced budget cuts and some stripping down of ( even ) the flag ship. Well done video and a great tour. I still think that Captain Jack should give you a promotion for briefings well done.
I like the design. It doesn't match the sixties, but that would turn off so many modern audiences that I'm fine with it. I also think what we're seeing of Pike's quarters is a dedicated space for entertaining rather than a simple personal cabin.
It is absolutely his quarters. On the opposite side of the room from the kitchen you can see a large frosted glass wall with what might be a sliding door in it. Through the frosted glass you can see a bed and other things. So it seems that this is just a living area and his sleeping area is separate.
It’s a ready room. As you said, the captains sleeping quarters are in a seperate area. This is an area that the captain can use for meetings, able to accomodate large groups of people. Pike himself is fond of cooking, and wines, and likes to use these as a team building exercise for his crew.
You have to take our current tech and the trend it's going on into account if you're going to do Trek now. Like, did people complain when the Enterprise tv show used small flat screen monitors all over the place? Because they didn't have those anywhere in the old TOS sets. It makes sense that the bridge would have touch screen controls, we're using that stuff today, let alone 200+ years from now. Using the old TOS sets just the way they have them then makes zero sense, just from a pure technology standpoint.
I love this ship, this one should of been used in the star trek reboot. Gene Roddenberry wanted the tos enterprise to look like this one except for the swept back pylons, but everything else was what he wanted. The swept back pylons does go with the pylons from the NX-01. HONESTLY I think Paramount should re-design the space / star ship scenes of the tos episodes with this ship and so. At least have the option. That's how much I love this ship.
I know some people don't like new trek, and think it doesn't fit with established lore. But I heard an interesting theory that due to the temporal war in Enterprise, it spawned a separate timeline. So I personally think that Discovery, and Strange New Worlds are this new timeline outside of Prime or Kelvin. That way you don't have to worry about every time some little thing doesn't match TOS, TNG canon etc, makes it much more enjoyable. Picard is actually the Prims timeline as it mentions events which occurred in TNG and First Contact, and Voyager.
As a 50+ year Trek fan, consider: the TOS Enterprise reflected the "muscle car" of the 60s. Looked fast, mean, and not terribly comfy. Today's ships reflect the same... but set in today's tastes. More room and creature comforts. Still fast and mean!
I really do like how this version of Constitution Enterprise looks, i would go as far as saying it even looks better than the original which would make sense with way more budget and better sets available
The first ,,new,, ship that looks realy cool and Star Trek ! I love the Design. ITS the best of the original Constitution ,Movie Refit (1979)and the new Era. The Main Engine Room and the Warpcore looks fantastic . Now JJ Enterprise looks a lot more like a ugly rapper/ gangsta tuning car
Well...(SPOILERS) The cutouts in the pylons could allow it to have less reistance when in lower orbit, to allow it to maneuver without putting undo stress on the plyons when within a gravity well.
Correct. The complete structure of the pylons becomes more stable and resistant. Plus you remove some weight. You can see this in nearly every aircraft as soon as you remove the outer hull. The whole "skeleton" is full of cutouts and holes.
You forgot to mention the different design of the ship's corridors. The Enterprise's corridors shown in Short Treks are narrower, darker, and feature a lot of red. In SNW, the corridors are wider, bright, and white with only red doors. I'm just pointing this out because no one is talking about it on any other channels.
I really hope as the seasons pass it keeps getting changed more towards Kirks Enterprise. Conflicts with the Gorn, and Kligons are on the horizon so removing weak spots like the bridge window, the hole in the nacelle pylons etc can be explained away saying they need to be armored up. This would also make the nacelles more round and less curved like the JJ and the color of the ship could be changed to the original shade too. The screens and computers can be made bulkier to counter some new EMP-type/hacking weapon, and generally make them sturdier for expected prolonged combat. The big quarters now and exposed piping on the OG can be explained by saying the revamped systems simply need more room.
I think the idea is supposed to be that the ship always looked like this and what we saw in TOS represents an imperfect rendering. If they were going for the TOS designs being detail to detail canon, there's already on screen reference for what the Enterprise looked like in Pike's time and it wasn't this. I get that some fans wanted an absolutely faithful TOS design, but it seems clear that's not the aesthetic they are going with.
@@Tim85-y2q Which is wrong IMO. Theyre re imagining for the sake of re-imaging it. If they transition it to kirks look it'll look like an actual evolution from Enterprise to TOS. THAT works.
@@simpsonfan13 Except that for many (including myself) the TOS designs no longer look good or believable now. Instead of looking like something from the future, they look like a quaint vision of what people from the mid 20th century atomic age thought the future would be. In many respects we've already surpassed that level of technology, so I would argue that's a very good reason to reimagine things.
I have been in love with the Discoprise since she first appeared on screen, and that has only increased since SNW has premiered. I really love the exterior shots in the opening credits and during the show. This is one gorgeous starship!!!
There’s a theory I either heard or read on why this Enterprise is more modern looking than Kirks Enterprise. It’s all the time travel Starfleet crews seem to do. Each time one of the crews goes back in time, they leave just a little bit behind. Whether it’s a design, a memory or an object that is later studied. Not to mention the Ferengi and who knows who else has traveled to the past.
Being one of the persons that watched the pilot many centuries ago (yea, I am old) I sat there with my father. He passed away 2 years ago but there are many fond memories. As a child & teenager we watched Star Trek, Buck Rodgers, Battle Star Galactica (both versions) & many other series over the past 5 decades. To watch The Cage & The Menagerie with my father places it in a special place for me. That started my adventures into Sci-fi. Well, I was propped up on pillows from what my dad told me. I was only 2 I think. I would have to look up when it actually aired. '65 I believe. Even my mom says I would stare at the console until the show was over.
"The Cage" was not shown to audiences until 1988.
They actually showed:The Cage on NBC to do an anniversary of the 1966 film 🎥 in the fall of 1986.And,yes,it was on in the fall,(September)of that year!
What great memories you have with your dad watching Star Trek My dad's 91 and all he wants to watch is old war movies over and over again.
Aside from my being the 1981 model-year, pretty much the same story here. Itty bitty me watching TOS with my pa, too young to understand why the "green guy" had pointed ears, but glued to that screen all the same.
Then came TNG, and my pa was one of those "not my captain" people up until season 2. At that point, he was finally willing to accept Picard and the gang as "part of our religion" (a joke about the fans who declare their fandom is like a religious experience).
Our "religion" also included a healthy Star Wars obsession, Reeves' Superman, Red Dwarf, all built on a solid foundation of Doctor Who (classics, of course).
Your memories warmed my heart. Thanks for sharing!
I'll just say this: I'm 45 and one of the first projected fi[ms I saw was The Wrath of Khan. I was hooked, immediately. I have since consumed all things Trek, literally (and not the way my daughters use the word). Over the years, Star Trek has brought me JOY! Good or bad, it's always been joy, and that seals the deal for me. I'll eat this up with a spoon, and I will throw money at every version, again and again, because I am, at heart, a realist and a scientist at heart. Growing up on a rural, non-light polluted 165 acre cattle farm looking at constellations with your dad, eagerly awaiting the next VHS rental of Carl Sagan's "Cosmos"...you just can't beat that, folks. It's Trek...bring it on.
Projected film lol
The natural lighting and no lens flares is so refreshing. It has the TNG feel with the overhead lighting.
And what's better is that they don't spend half the episode talking about their GD feelings.
@@michaelmorris589 yet, I am still afraid that such episodes can still come to us
@@michaelmorris589 many many episodes of TNG were spent talking about feelings. In fact the majority. You're allowed to move on from TNG. Not all Star Trek has to be a remake of TNG. Change is okay. New things are okay. You don't have to eat the same thing for every meal your entire life. I love TOS, TNG DS9 Voyager Enterprise, but the writing and acting were hokey and unnatural by design. And filled with plot contrivances and conveniences that don't make sense. We don't have to emulate that forever.
@@GregorySnipe TNG character development was "30 Something in Space". It was done in the era of 30 Something, Moonlighting, Murphy Brown, various Lawyers in Love shows so the writers used many of those contemporary tropes.
If you watch mid 60s popular: 12 O'clock High, The Big Valley and Daniel Boone...you'll see a lot of similar writing and character interplay with Star Trek 1966-69...
You'll also here the not so original music on Star Trek....including the opening fanfare theme.
don't you just hate it when you are sitting in your parents car while driving and your phone just gets lens flared like A LOT?
One thing I think they really got right in addition to the structural design is the lighting. It's just so warm and it all blooms without the need for lens flare. It's just cozy and happy. I love it.
I disagree, what made star trek "cozy" was the carpet. The shiny floors and reflective screens and spot lights everywhere is just bad. They have to go back to what made us all fans, get the focus off the environment and let us focus on the actors/charactors. For some reason they LOVE reflections and glossyness in the new star trek shows. It was not like that before. One thing I did notice is they got rid of the sparks everywhere in battles now its replaced by flickering screens and fog machines.
J.J. Abrams’ over usage of lens flares, became his “signature” (not in a good way). Lighting is tricky (I did theatre lighting in college and for professional shows in 1970s), especially when TOS lighting varied with new usage of color in TV (1960s).
@@w9gb And big RED balls!
@@cranbers I thought both of the first two episodes were incredibly character focused. I mean they spend about 10 minutes in Pike’s quarters getting to know Uhura alone. Discovery was terrible at it because I still don’t know everybody’s name but on a strange New World I already know all the characters names and more about them than I ever did on Discovery. So I think they’re moving in the right direction.
@@harveytherobot This is true, they are moving in the right direction. If you compare TNG to strange new worlds, that is what were used to and allowed you to focus on the characters instead of the distractions that is the sets, all those glossy floors and reflective surfaces. And a fireplace? Seems like a waste of oxygen on a star ship so very strange.
They did the Connie justice with this version. It holds true to the 60s version, with just enough modern changes to make it look, honestly, even better. Much much better than that hideous 2009 JJ trek version.
I must say that this version of the classic Enterprise is one of the most beautiful renderings of that storied ship.
I agree. It looks great. A combination of the JJ style with the classic ship was the perfect way to go. It's very pretty without being overdone in any way.
In 1968 (I think) a book companion to the TV series was published which lots of useful information that seems to have been changed over the years. One of these was that Federation ships usually are made up of one specicies from the same planet. The reason Spock was on the Enterprise was because he was half human. Also, food was real food, not synthisised, kept in storage and served seemingly fresh. Wish I still had that book.
It was Neelix on Star Trek:Voyager who turned Captain Janeway's Private Captains dining hall into a mess hall for the crew and it stayed that way all the way through Voyager's journey through the Delta Quadrant.
I got a really good feeling of SNW. DISCO season 2, Captain Pike was the highlight and saved the show. Now they gave him his own show.
Fairly confident Pike (and Spock and number One) were always intended as a season-long backdoor pilot in a way. They've been looking to do spinoffs of Discovery since like the 1st season. Here's hoping this remains a good one, like Frasier.
@@rubaiyat300 i agree discovery is the cheers of trek
@@Ottophil Its a joke
Discovery sucks
@@paradisebreeze1705 I'm hoping it will have as many stories as TNG and branch off into movies like captain Kirk's crew did. Wouldn't that be something?
I’d like to say the fireplace - which no party goers mention on cam - is a primitive holo tech decoration.
It probably is. We already have some decent artificial fireplaces
@@logancap076 I imagine that it's the holographic equivalent of those fireplace DVDs that you can play on your TV.
@@willmfrank During the 1970s it was the Yule Log on WPIX 11. It burned on your TV screen for 12 hours.
@@SicilianStealth "This room could use a bit of cheering up, darling. Put a fire on will you?"
"Right! What channel is it on?"
That could be the case, I've read that Gene always wanted to use holo tech as far back as TOS but there was no right way to do it at the time. Someone said there's early TOS era Enterprise design diagrams where they've left space for basically mini holodecks. The thinking being that the crew stuff in deep space for 5 years and who never actually leave the ship could go in and relax a bit. Not till TNG did they have the budget to put the idea to use, and also scale it up.
First, let me say Pike's Enterprise looked a lot more spiffier that Kirk's in TOS. (Of course, they didn't have the budget back then.) Also, Pike's Enterprise has a larger crew complement than Kirk's. In the 2009 reboot, the number was said to be between 700 and 800. I doubt we will get to see the Enterprise under Kirk's command, since this series is ten years before the 'Holy Trinity.' So far, I'm loving the series!
In the Enterprise episode “In A Mirror Darkly Part II T’Pol says The Defiant (Constitution Class) was designed to be operated by a crew of 400.
As they said , if they had the budget and our fx , it would had looked like this .
The Kelvin timeline Enterprise was MASSIVE. Based on scaling of the shuttlebay, it was about the dive of the Enterprise D. Of course, this could just be because JJ Abrams has shown to have difficulty with distances and sizes.
The Kelvin time line of the movies has a very scaled up Enterprise. All the ships are bigger in the movies. This being in the Prime timeline you have to go with the info in the tv shows. When Kirk is in charge the Enterprise has 438 crew members on it, iirc. Right now when Pike is in charge that number is around 200. I think by Kirks time they felt more comfortable taking more people out into deep space so he has a larger crew. They could also have added different scientific teams then which aren't on Pikes crew.
@@GPsarakis since machines get smaller in time , many bulkheads were removed giving more room for crew quarters as you see how big the bridge is that it was reduced for more room .
Gotta admit shes a gorgeous ship. I am pleasantry surprised.
Not really, if you want to see beauty watch the motion picture. This is phoneyprise.
@@paradisebreeze1705 I didn't say it was the best, just that it looked nice...and it does. They more or less modernized the original design unlike the abomination JJPrise.
@@paradisebreeze1705 I just wonder how the ship SHRUNK so much after Kirk took command? The SICKBAY in this ship looks larger than the SHUTTLEBAY on Kirk's Enterprise!
And why are all of the corridors wide/tall enough to accommodate the Macy's Day Parade?!?! I mean the Enterprise D was meant to be larger, with more crewmembers, and it STILL didn't need hallways 20 feet wide?
@@StreetPreacherr I agree. Pike's command was before Kirk. The ship can't be more modern than itself at following years, i.e. under Kirk's command because it's after Pike's. Some people explain this as adaptation to nowadays, but, for me, it's not correct.
@@antoniocarlosruizfernandes9575 just pretend it's in an alternate reality created by the events of Star Trek: First Contact. That would explain why things look the way they do in Enterprise as well and how that would have impacted the way tech was developed
The walk area behind/around the transporter could be for when a large number of people need to be beamed up or down in an emergency. For instance: Without it, people on the back pads would need to cross over the front transporter pads to get off of it, whereas in an emergency where you are beaming up as many people as possible, people can just hop straight off the pad they beamed up on and then have a convenient corridor for them to get out of the way while the next group is being beamed up. Whether we'll ever see it used or if it's just a fun little design thing, who knows.
And guessing what look like large doors behind Kyle are for cargo. Guessing the panel in the way can be moved or sunk into the floor to off-load larger items, or things you wouldn't want going through crew corridors.
Nah , alien bathrooms
changing cannon much ? transporter tech evolved , even in TOS , but this show is a cannon mess everywhere
@@jkbughunt If you want to play the canon game, site-to-site wasn't common until TNG and later. Scotty used it all of once in TOS, suggesting it's not exactly a common-place ability pre-TOS, so extra space around the transporter pads would be useful until site-to-site becomes more common.
But let's be real here, this is all speculation around a small design decision. Do you really think a corridor surrounding the transporter pad is a huge problem? No. It's a detail that may have no impact at all.
@@emilymarriott5927 He is, 1 of 'those'!
The thing is, it's not like the Enterprise (original 1701) hasn't been retrofit multiple times! Come the movies, the hallways became narrow and more submarine-like than the more expansive halls seen in the Original Series. I've really enjoyed Strange New Worlds so far, and I can't wait to see more of this legendary Vessel - hopefully, it can get more seasons than the original did!
Very true. Plus, under Kirk the crew size of the enterprise doubled, so it’s likely that the ship would have had a big interior refit where extra rooms like lounges were converted to more crew quarters and perhaps more science labs and work stations.
@@johnsledge3942yes but between Kirk and Pike the Enterprise didn't shed an entire Miranda class in weight and shrink by 200 odd meters.
@@barrybend7189 Yeah, you have to ignore the scaling issues. Even within SNW, the scaling is really inconsistent; just look at the size of the room Uhura and Hemmer were trapped in when fighting the Gorn in S1… yet the scale of the windows would imply a much smaller ship. I honestly wish they’d just ignored Discovery and said it’s the same size as TOS, it wouldn’t really affect anything in the show.
For me, the Enterprise is and always will be 289 meters for the original and 305 meters for the refit, and if SNW says otherwise I will simply ignore it because it is wrong lol.
@@johnsledge3942i played the Discovery missions in STO with a TOS Connie and despite the difference in style fits really well with the Discovery ships. Without looking tiny.
My stance on this new Enterprise is this: Given all that we have come to know about in-universe starship design since the 1960's, this version makes a lot more design sense.
Her design language is closer to the NX-01, which is a nice bridge between eras, and also makes her later 2270 refit make more sense as well.
It's a modern take on an iconic design. I love it.
Born in 1958 so I've been enjoying the ride 😀
I want to see the Constitution on screen with her hull registry of NCC-1700 finally canonized
I'd love to see appearances by the Constellation and Excalibur.
I'm missing the joke dig at the actor portraying Robert April why his character moved on giving command of the Enterprise to Pike. Is that some TOS pre production lore I've never heard of? 🤔
Its because it it coennected to Discovery where was Pike
Robert April was only ever just a name during TOS’s early development. Roddenberry changed the show’s lead’s name to Christopher Pike sometime when working on the pilot, and then another writer decided to use it as the Enterprise’s first captain for an episode of the animated series.
Adrian Holmes also plays Uncle Phil on the new Fresh Prince reboot-I’ve heard that show’s not great, but nothing bad about the actors themselves. Not sure why it’s evidently worth derailing a review to imply negative things about someone who’s essentially a guest star.
I love the ship's sound design. Really came to the fore in "Children of the Comet"
Constitution class Enterprise never been my favourite but after second episode in, OMG I’m in love. The aesthetic, the vibe the design of the interior is gorgeous, retro but also ultra modern like an Apple store. The ship itself is industrial and purposeful with a hint of menace. Not bloated. Gonna get a model of this
Industrial...the word I was looking for. When they do a close up of Enterprise after she drops out of warp, there is a settling in cooling industrial battleshippy feel and sound to the old girl. Rock solid. Reliable. And we have arrived.
Oh this ship, inside and out is absolutely GORGEOUS!!!!!! The people behind this design, the classic curves with modern updates just..... ITS ABOUT FREAKING PERFECT!!!!! Sorry....
Finally, they get it right. Not since TNG have I been so excited by a Star Trek show
@NettiesKid It's closer. They could not possibly do it exactly like TOS in 2022. It's homage without being replication.
It's weird, it's been years since we've had a show where no one needs to cry for half of it
@NettiesKid you don't get it... Even Enterprise looked more advanced than TOS...the franchise has to move along with expectations of what the technology would be like for it to be viable. Holding it to what we imagined possible 60 years ago is laughable. If this series continued in continuity up to voyager or even TNG, their tech would be accordingly more advanced from this.
IMHO some people are stuck in 20th Century set design that was cheap low budgeted...but worked for its time on early tv...to be relevant in the eyes of the 21st century audience Star Trek had to evolve as tv evolved over the years...that's why changes happen....even the ship has been jacked up in looks and style from the 1960s...it's STILL that starship Pike commands now and Kirk gets years from now...it's all good...no need to adhere to primitive standards of old television....LLAP!!🙂
If by some chance that this ship design does become a reality, then we as a people and a society have to give our future the best chance for the best result. Who always wants to walk backwards? Moving forward and taking it to the next level is our best choice in my opinion. I'm for the first time in years I am excited to see where this is going. There has to be enough about this ship design to be around for almost 60 years. Just imagine in the next several years, what will we be doing next concerning all of this.
The exterior is the perfect blend of old and new. I adore it.
The blue color in the shot at 4:59 reminds me a lot of the look of the Star Trek 25th Anniversary PC game. I wonder if they drew inspiration from that.
I think the large doors behind the transporter console is for cargo. Large pieces that can’t come through the personnel doors.
Something I always thought was missing along with a direct transporter pad to sickbay, which isn't just for injuries, but isolating crazily-infected folks that would be hazardous limping along hallways turbolifts and more hallways before getting isolated...on a ship that necessarily recirculates air.
Cargo area would have it's unit for odd sized loads.
If you have a Transporter, why would you need to move items from the Transporter room, when they are already being Transported from off the ship?
@@bretthoffman2128 from the cargo bay to the transporter room... beaming stuff down
In TOS there was a transporter pad just for cargo, in the after section of the saucer for bulk supplies and stores. Tech manual stated in an emergency situation it could handle 24 personnel but at some risk to crew using it.
I like that it actually feels like the size it's depicted. That was always my issued with the older shows when you'd see the interior, the halls were always cramped, the rooms small. With this one, the halls seems massive, the rooms crazy big, like engineering actually seems like the proper size you'd expect it to be in a star ship.
@NettiesKid Except for boomers every Naval personnel can breathe air and see the sun on a blue water ship. Not so much on a starship and cramming everything in wouldn't be conducive to 5 year missions where not everyone gets to go on away missions.
@@rubaiyat300 Sure it would. It worked fine for 50 years of Star Trek.
Now all the sudden its an issue.
@@OpenMawProductions There's honestly no issue with this having bigger spaces in it. People want to tag some in-universe/canon reason to everything, but the real world reason is that the older shows don't have anywhere near the budget the new shows get. Plus the CGI abilities of today allow for you to digitally expand a set beyond what you've built, like with this version of engineering.
If they had this ability back in the TOS time, they'd have done it. Hell in Genes original notes there were ideas for doing the holodeck and holo communication areas back in TOS, pretty sure the old TOS Enterprise design diagrams have "holo spaces" shown in them. It only took until TNG and a bit of a bigger budget for them to finally add that idea in.
As far as in-universe, this time period the ship only has around 200 people on it, Later when Kirk takes over that number has doubled to over 400. This is canon, as far as I've read and SNW hasn't said how many people are on it, so doesn't look like they've retcon'd that little bit. It's easy to see how adding more crew and space for other things (for the next 5 year deep space mission), means you have to shrink/re-design the inside to accommodate twice as many people.
@@GPsarakis In fact, the corridors in ToS were only as big as they were to allow camera equipment to navigate them. The opinion was they were too big, representing a ridiculous waste of space, but cameras and sound and sleds got the last word. Budget issues caused lots of problems but being cramped, as much as possible, was a deliberate choice.
@@FMChimera They did that later in the movies but then in TNG they made everything big again, so that thinking changed. Unless you figure they're bigger because the ship is bigger but you could still say that it's a waste of space in TNG.
The constitution was the flagship of the federation. The enterprise was part of an exploratory fleet. Mapping the outer regions of federation territory and documenting inhabited worlds.
It's explicitly stated on a number of occasions that Enterprise is the flagship. Never once is the Constitution even mentioned, let alone as the flagship.
@@andrewm3210 1701 was only a flag ship twice in the series and only because there was an admiral on board. During that time. The constitution was the flagship.
@@johnchristopherrobert1839 that is your own headcanon. In SNW episode 3, Dr. M'Benga explicitly states that he is "the chief medical officer, on the flagship of Starfleet," which is a direct quote, and can be also heard in M'Benga's promo for SNW. So that's pretty much an open and shut case.
9:56 Look... This ship is not refitting into the 60s ship. It's just not. It's different. And that's okay.
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I'm really digging the new designs. IMHO they struck a pretty great middle ground between something that's recognizably The Enterprise, but also looks suitably futuristic through modern eyes.
I agree. It is a much better design then the New Trek movies for honouring the past. Even the bridge controls feel that way, still lots of buttons and "dumb" screens but also a mix of what we have now with touch screens and such. The designers in this show really looked carefully at the original series and pulled out things that they could tweak and update, or just leave as is.
This is the first "modern" version of the original Enterprise I have actually liked. The JJ version from the recent films is downright fugly. This one? It looks credible. The proportions are right. In spirit, it very much honors the TOS Enterprise. If Roddenberry were still around, I think he just might approve of this particular redesign.
I love the new design of the Constitution Class. It's very functional in many ways and just looks awesome. Some diehard fans of the original Constitution design may complain that it's not "canon" but to me, I love all the Star Treks and fundamentally, all the different designs, layouts, uniforms, technology, etc., etc. encompasses IDIC: Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. This new show is fantastic! LLAP!!
Purists who think it should look the same as it was in the '60s wouldn't understand that we aren't in the '60s and our technology has evolved - it would get harder and harder to make it look exactly like it did in the '60s and have it work on TV now. As it is, the NX Enterprise ends up looking more advance than what the TOS Enterprise did!
@@Elitrian , "purists wouldn't understand"? If one today were to dramatise the USS "Constitution" frigate bombarding the Tripoli pirates of two centuries past, would it serve to install aboard the CGI model the gunnery of a later period because of the difference in time during production?
Another point: I shall distill this to basic maths; the Starship Enterprise of Captain Pike (Jeffrey Hunter) in "The Cage" was approximately 289 metres long. The Starship Enterprise of Captain Pike in this new version is 442.06 metres long. How can one reconcile those? What do we not understand?
In the end, fact and logic--savour that word--must have precedence.
@@DavidRLentz I've been watching Star Trek since TOS was all there was. I still love the old show. But you can't make a sci-fi series in the 2020s using 1960s sets. It wouldn't be credible. To be brutally honest, it would look ridiculous. It didn't look ridiculous back then, but it would now. If they had had today's technology back in 1966, TOS would have looked something like this. I think this is a reasonable update that draws upon the 1960s source material but makes it look credible for today's audiences.
@@paulwhite6745 , three words for you: Star Trek: Continuum (if I remember correctly the name). Another production team had made others; both were just fine. The same score, sets, costumes.
Check and mate. "Sure you don't know what irritation is, Mr. Spock?"
@@Elitriani wouldn't say purist but I'd like to at least see the original design with upped details than this complete redesign.
The "cut-outs", as you call them, on the struts holding up the nacelles, believe it or not, actually strengthen the struts. I saw a whole video on the science of this very subject.
I was gonna say I love the SNW version of the Enterprise... except for the odd slits in the nacelle pylons that seemingly have no purpose other than to 'look cool'. It's nice to know there may be a valid reason why they're there.
Love strange worlds!!
The Enterprise in the original series was a major departure from spaceships from previous science fiction shows and movies. All previous ships were the classic ‘rocket ship’ or ‘flying saucer’ in appearance. And here comes this unique shape. Absolutely beautiful. The lens flare was overdone but the Abramsverse Enterprise was lovely, too. Strange New Worlds is a great update of the classic original style given the better detailing 50+ years of modeling and computer graphics permits.
As for how the nacelles mount, I can see the cutouts as possibly an improvement in structural integrity while reducing overall mass. The paired pylons might offer better resistance to applied force from the nacelles being used compared to a single, solid mount. If nothing else, they look lovely.
This is my new favorite version of the Connie. Its just that perfect balance of old and new for me
I know everyone here has a story about Star Trek TOS as a kid. I just wanted to share mine, as around the time Strange New Worlds was released my grandpa has passed away, I've already watched the show a few times, as well as a majority of all the other media but find myself still searching the Strange New Worlds intro and this was the second result. I already knew he absolutely loved Star Trek, it's what even got me into it in my late teens, as when I was a kid I thought it was kind of boring. Due to some legal issues with wills and stubborn family I only recently was given access to a few of the things my grandpa left behind after he passed and deep at the bottom of a bag of much random odds and ends there was a little wooden Enterprise, carved out of wood with the gaps between the saucer/nacelles/secondary hull painted black so it has held together fairly well..as much as I loved my grandpa he definitely wasn't a craftsman but it's clear he made it with a lot of love and care. I recently propped it on a model stand and have it sat on my desk and aside from a pin hole to attach the stand, I'd never dare modify it in any way. I really wish he got to have seen atleast the intro to Strange New Worlds, I'm sure it would have blown him away seeing the original ship looking so good.
I like to imagine that by the time of Captain Kirk the ship was refitted to deal with rising tintions with the klingons.
@@marvinmallette6795 mmm nope. During Kirks time the Klingon Empire and the Federation was in a State of cold war that only ended after Praxis blew up. Tension then decreased afterwards. Also with Romulan aggression kicking up and their known ability to hack into other ships would lead to the Federation hardening their tech against such attacks.
@@marvinmallette6795 often times a cold war can be more tense. The constant threat of war that can lead to war. The incident that lead to the organians. The constant back and forth between Kirk and the Klingons. The 2 missions on screen with the Romulans. Irl the US was more combat active during the cold war. During the federation's cold war it could possibly be that Star inched closer to a military organization. Which finally ended at Praxis.
I thought the Chief Medical Officer under Captain Pike, was Dr. Boyd, not Dr. M'Benga..... you know, the "Now you're sounding like a Doctor, Bartender."
Indeed, and Dr. M'Benga worked for Dr. McCoy in TOS, as McCoy was the Chief Medical Officer. Maybe they will explain it or not.
I can't understand how a ship can be more modern than itself in following years. If Pike was captain before Kirk, and he was, his Enterprise can't not be so.
I have heard from a couple of orthodox purists who hate this show already because "it looks NOTHING like the Enterprise from The Cage!" Sigh. Well, I replied, if the show in 1965 had the budget, the time, and the technology to make the ship and the show look like this, then they definitely would have it this way! Two episodes in and I am enjoying it immensely
The Original Series had the largest budget on television.
For its time, yes. I would believe that if they could see the show as it is now, they would say oh heck yeah let's make it like that!
I have been a Trekker since the show was first shown and have loved the all the improvements and upgrades to the ship over the decades. My favorite though is 1701-A. But this beautiful version for Capt. Pike's Enterprise just might sway me to make it my favorite. Its a terrific redo. Of course ALL the upgrades and redo's over the years have a lot to do with budgets and technology. Still, the people responsible for the new looks did a great job.
Totally in love with Chapel
Looks like Star Trek is actually back! So far this is what I was hoping for.
It’s been back for years! What on Earth are you talking about?
@@connorm200 No it hasn't. We've had movies based on the franchise that were action oriented to appeal to larger audiences, while Discovery has been nothing like trek. Very drama driven, a dearth of moral and scientific quandry, it's nothing like Enterprise, Voyager, TNG, or the TOS. Picard hasn't been good, and is missing the vital elements that made Picard a likable captain, as well as the feeling of optimism and curiosity TNG embodied.
I appreciated the movies for what they were, tried to enjoy Discovery, lost interest after a few seasons. When I watched SNW, I cried. Everything that was missing from "Nu Trek" was present in SNW. The episodic format, the scientific quandry, the moral dilemmas, likable characters, and most importantly of all: Spock's brain.
SNW is the most Star Trek the series has been since Enterprise.
@@altima22689 Having lived through the release of TNG, What you are saying is what every old Trek Fan had also said about TNG.
Everyone then screamed from the rooftops how TNG was not THEIR Star Trek, and how Picard was just a bald pretender to Kirk's throne.
They then said it about Enterprise too, and before that TAS and the Movies.
They were every bit as wrong as you are now.
ALL Trek produced by Paramount is Trek. Its an evolving franchise and the only thing that you have any real control over is if you will evolve along with it, or stay stuck in the past.
@@talyn3932 Ratings don't lie, Nu Trek has not fared well. If it's so great and a natural evolution of the series itself, then Strange New Words wouldn't exist in the first place.
I didn't dismiss Discovery the moment it aired. I watched two seasons and gave it the college try, like the majority of people, it wasn't for me. The languishing of the next ST movie, the middling ratings of Discovery and Picard, Pine's comments on actually making a show/movie people want to watch is emblematic of that.
It's not the fans fault for not "evolving" to meet the vision the show runners have for the show, it's up to the show runners to make something that the fans want to commit their money to, and Strange New Worlds is knocking it out of the park.
@@altima22689 Discovery did good enough for a 4th season, plus its a streaming only series, so ratings don't apply the same way. As for the Abrams movies, they Blew all other Trek movies away. So far Picard is going strong. Seems like "Nu Trek is doing JUST FINE and sour grapes is still just that... sour grapes.
Strange New worlds exists BECAUSE Nu Trek is turning out to be profitable and popular, or else it would not have been green light. The inverse just simply isn't how this stuff works. You don't bank on a new series in a failing franchise.
I'm a very very very long time Star Trek fan and I will tell you with absolute confidence that the people you claim as the majority are in fact the Minority. Star Trek in it's new form is just as popular as Star Trek ever was and dealing with the same salty fans from previous series as it always has.
It thrives despite you and I am very happy for that.
I don't know about anyone else; but I'm pumped let's let the future begin.
I'm so happy to see new Star Trek on... it's so great to feel a full complement of shows - but I do wish they had more "same time" series - like TNG, DS9 and Voyager, where you could have crossovers.
NO! Nothing from the Berman 'verse.
Outstanding briefing by Lt Adam.
Having never watched the original series, the story of Captain Pike was new to me. Loving this series! In S1 E6 we saw a Doberman! Go Dobies!
For the first time since TOS I've found a version of The Enterprise that I think is fantastic! Warp Speed Captain Pike!!
You didnt like TMP version??
@@Anth230 It was OK but seemed underpowered and instead of the massive blue twin beam phasers of the original series it had miniguns which extended from the interior. Those worked well against the Romulan projectiles in the final battle but why were they ineffective when they dropped out of warp at Vulcan? I think Pikes Enterprise looks more realistic up close. Just my opinion. PS Love how the main Bridge railing lights up bright orange during 'red alert'.
I'm not sure who is behind this show yet, but it is already leaps and bounds ahead of Discovery. I think the forward lounge is a mix between the old and new. Financial constraints, along with tv technology kept the original trek from having such graphics but I'm sure the lounge is an attempt to combine the future 10 forward with what passed as the lounge in the original series. Can you Imagine the Cheron preaching, or the space hippies playing music in such a room? Kirk and Spock playing 3D Chess? Yep. Somebody in production is ACTUALLY a fan of the original show and it's giving SNW a great start.
Leaps and bounds ahead of Discovery? Yes. And I think it's really good. (Discovery is a really low bar).
I'll bet having that crew lounge at the front of the saucer section of the Constitution Class both the original configuration and the 2270's Refit is what gave the designers of the Galaxy Class the idea for 10 forward at the very front of the saucer section of the Galaxy Class Starships like the Galaxy Class U.S.S. Enterprise.
My understanding is that the main reason for 10 Forward being where it was was to match windows that were always there on the shooting model.
@@Tim85-y2q As I recall, Ten Forward was part of designer Andrew Probert's work for the Enterprise D, but his rather different-looking Ten Forward concept was never used and he left TNG after season 1. The original 6 foot model of the Enterprise D built by ILM did not have the distinctive windows of Ten Forward until the model was refurbished for Generations in 1994. However, the later 4-foot model built by Greg Jein that was used for season 3-onwards did incorporate Ten Forward into it's (much thicker) saucer rim.
After the clusterfuck of designs that 'Discovery' gave us, I'm so glad SNW is sticking with TOS-era ships, albeit with a modern makeover. It looks even better than the Abramsverse ship.
The sickbay transporter is a great addition as site-to-site transport wasn't a thing in this era. The process of transporting from one area to another without the use of a transporter pad was considered very risky during Kirk's tenure as Captain, so using it on sick or injured people would probably be frowned upon.
In the original plans sickbay for the saucer was a short walk from a transporter. There wasn't a need for it on the original version.
It's beautiful. And I am very much liking SNW.
What you refer to as "the iconic three sensors" are not sensors at all, they're actually the auxiliary navigational deflector for the primary hull
So Great t0 hear your voice and comments again Adam You make my day!
I really love this take on the original Enterprise so far. Everything is reminiscent of the original series in terms of essence, color, and basic setup...but given a nice modern sheen and some things that might not have been possible to depict with 1960's era special effects can finally be explored. It really feels like Starfleet's hotrod era in a way that feels consistent with everything before and after. Definitely agree with people talking about the lighting. Losing the over the top lens flare on the bridge was a fantastic decision too, the new design of the classic bridge is cool enough it doesn't need that covering it up. The lighting in general is a nice balance of being bright, but not SO bright that it feels like every corridor and room is a damn Target store.
My one gripe is I'm still not completely sold on the bridge front window, and the little crevice in front of it that the registry number rests on now but it's not a deal breaker I can get used to it.
Sorry, aber gar nichts erinnert mich an das Original.
I’d say that newer starfleet ships had windows during green and yellow alert or something and the window would be covered by a bulkhead in red alert and replaced with a screen showing the front.
Definitely the best looking Enterprise in a long time. I want a model of it ASAP!
The three round lights on the front of the primary hull are not sensors, the are the auxiliary/upper navigational deflector
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and form possibly provided indeed, love the ship very cool looking indeed and very nicely well done in every detail, still though she basically looks like an upgraded refit version from the original TOS Enterprise on which I myself am still very fond of as when I saw her for the first time on the TV screen back in the mid 60's👌.
I'm a bit of a mid-century modern fan so the look of Pike's quarters, with those exposed, angular structures, looks cool. The fire in that sweet pad could, I'm guessing; be safely contained in a force-field. :)
I am stoked with this new series. It feels looks and smells like trek. And the weight Pike is carrying on his shoulders about his future fate is just going to add more to the story. can you imagine having too deal with that? And commanding the fleets Flagship? Tough man. Shows his humanity and how fleeting our time is here. I love Strange New Worlds.
I must admit, It pisses over the Kelvin T/L...Didn't mind it first but rapidly came to dislike it. Engineering looks fucking amazing, And so does the transporter room, And the bridge. These are ALL my focus on Star Ships, Especially Engineering. Sick bay is also...Sick!I Really hope we get deck plans sometime...👽🖖
The best part of this new ship is Nurse Chapel.
Yes another strong independent woman that can do anything better than a man ..you're right it's the best thing to ever happen to Star Trek.🙄 Now Uhura on the other hand I think is being handled much better than Chapel.
@@GrandCrusadernot one of you fossilised boneheads..
Please more than 3 season!!!!
I'm here because I don't do any streaming services. So thank you for providing this. All I can say about Pike's Enterprise was pretty much put forth in the TOS pilot and later on, again in "The Menagerie pts. 1 and 2. Spock went mental, Pike disagreed, of course he would, but it ended up well more or less. As far as the Enterprise goes... I wish people would quit messing with it. Yes I know bigger budget and better SX, But leave things be.
I actually like the Enterprise how it was not any of these upgrades or re-imaginations.
So keep it like that cardboard/particle board Enterprise? Yeah, no.
@@michaelmorris589up the budget and detail but for God's sake stop redesigning and recasting the ship. Also we see a Kirk era Connie in Picard season 3. We could have gotten a better detailed yet faithful ship and updated interiors( take the refit bridge and corridors but tos modify them). The Discovery Connie is like putting a giant to play Tirien Lannister. The fact Resurrected starships made an updated Connie without doing what Paramount did is proof enough.
This show is better than I hoped for. Excellent!!!
Absolutely gorgeous machine. Finally a modern rendition of the 1701 that does it justice.
that ship looked better than the TOS
Your thumbnail is the clearest and brightest pic I've seen of the ship in SNW. Wish they would brighten up the E more! I really hate the pewter lead looking metal the hull seems to be made of.
The USS NCC 1701 Enterprise Constitution Class is a beautiful Ship and She's a elegant Lady.
Just looking at the warp core for the Constitution Class U.S.S. Enterprise in this new Star Trek series it reminds me a bit of the warp cores of both the Galaxy Class and the Sovereign Class U.S.S. Enterprise.
I think it reminds me more of the one in the Defiant class.
This illustrates the mistake key to the discussion: how could late 23rd-century technology and design be in a mid-22nd-century vessel?
@@DavidRLentzyeah as the original warp core was based on US Navy Cruiser oil boilers. That's why the NX-01's warp core looks like a steam boiler from a mid to late ironclad.
I’m really digging Nurse Chapel in the new series. She has a “Harley Quinn” vibe to her and it fits! 😅
The problem is that Pike's Enterprise looks more advanced than the Enterprise refit from Star Trek the Motion Picture.
Remember that movie came out in 79 and was rushed. This had time to plan
Possible In-Universe explaination: Temporal cold war time shift under Capt. Archer's Enterprise NX-01, made April's/Pike's Enterprise more advanced, but tech constraints, duotronic vs. experimental positronic made tech really large and space consuming.
Modern day Example: Radio tubes vs. Transistor Circuits. Analog vs. Digital.
Tech advances; gets more compact, does more, safer to operate, you don't need to dedicate as much space for it.
Thus, why Scotty was so amazed at the size of crew quarters on the Enterprise D. In that sense the larger spaces were not due to tech constraints, but for crew comfort/morale.
It's a show that came out like 40 yrs later. Of course it's gonna look better or no one would watch the show
Then explain why the Enterprise is the size of the Excelsior.
Re-imagining.
Model stands up, enough like the original while updated for today's screen. Set designs are absolutely gorgeous for much the same reason. They took just enough liberties to set this ship apart and modernize it, while incorporating the core aesthetic of the original design.
Best looking OG Enterprise
Im going to vote for budget and modern technology to simply be what Mr Rodenbery would have wanted in the first place.
Really appreciated Archer's Theme at the end there ; )
It looks a bit more similar to the NX-01 now than the original Constitution class.
Which is a perfect representation of the technology evolving from then till now. It makes more sense from enterprise canon
"The iconic three sensors..." Wait, so all this time I thought those were windows or lights but now just learning they're sensors!
Thanks to Adam and team for a great video about a great ship. It really is a pretty spiffy ship which obviously was in the time before Star Fleet experienced budget cuts and some stripping down of ( even ) the flag ship. Well done video and a great tour. I still think that Captain Jack should give you a promotion for briefings well done.
...budget cuts?!
@@colinmontgomery1956 It's a joke.
I love this refit design tbh.
I like the design. It doesn't match the sixties, but that would turn off so many modern audiences that I'm fine with it. I also think what we're seeing of Pike's quarters is a dedicated space for entertaining rather than a simple personal cabin.
@@sonacphotos basically, whether they call it that or not.
It is absolutely his quarters. On the opposite side of the room from the kitchen you can see a large frosted glass wall with what might be a sliding door in it. Through the frosted glass you can see a bed and other things. So it seems that this is just a living area and his sleeping area is separate.
It’s a ready room. As you said, the captains sleeping quarters are in a seperate area. This is an area that the captain can use for meetings, able to accomodate large groups of people. Pike himself is fond of cooking, and wines, and likes to use these as a team building exercise for his crew.
You have to take our current tech and the trend it's going on into account if you're going to do Trek now. Like, did people complain when the Enterprise tv show used small flat screen monitors all over the place? Because they didn't have those anywhere in the old TOS sets. It makes sense that the bridge would have touch screen controls, we're using that stuff today, let alone 200+ years from now.
Using the old TOS sets just the way they have them then makes zero sense, just from a pure technology standpoint.
I'm glad it doesn't look like the 60's; that look was a product of the budget, not the author's dream.
The captain who had the bridge fall down on his face was Captain Kork.
I thought it was Captain Krik. 🤔
Who?
Was that a reference to a on stage accident?
@@michaelbenjmitchell1 it's a play on the way a lot of the people who dislike Discovery claim to not be able to remember the names of the crew.
@@michaelbenjmitchell1 Also to how Kirk was killed
Those 3 windows in the front of the saucer are windows for the observation deck on the original Enterprise, On this ship they're lights or sensors.
I don't think that's an actual fire in Pike's quarters. We have "fake fires" even today for aesthetics. It's probably a holographic fire.
I love this ship, this one should of been used in the star trek reboot. Gene Roddenberry wanted the tos enterprise to look like this one except for the swept back pylons, but everything else was what he wanted. The swept back pylons does go with the pylons from the NX-01. HONESTLY I think Paramount should re-design the space / star ship scenes of the tos episodes with this ship and so. At least have the option. That's how much I love this ship.
I know some people don't like new trek, and think it doesn't fit with established lore. But I heard an interesting theory that due to the temporal war in Enterprise, it spawned a separate timeline. So I personally think that Discovery, and Strange New Worlds are this new timeline outside of Prime or Kelvin. That way you don't have to worry about every time some little thing doesn't match TOS, TNG canon etc, makes it much more enjoyable. Picard is actually the Prims timeline as it mentions events which occurred in TNG and First Contact, and Voyager.
As a 50+ year Trek fan, consider: the TOS Enterprise reflected the "muscle car" of the 60s. Looked fast, mean, and not terribly comfy. Today's ships reflect the same... but set in today's tastes. More room and creature comforts. Still fast and mean!
I really do like how this version of Constitution Enterprise looks, i would go as far as saying it even looks better than the original which would make sense with way more budget and better sets available
Don't compare this tripe to original, this will never compete with the motion picture enterprise. Its so dark aswell.
The remastered Enterprise was all they needed , but no, they just can't help themselves
The first ,,new,, ship that looks realy cool and Star Trek ! I love the Design. ITS the best of the original Constitution ,Movie Refit (1979)and the new Era.
The Main Engine Room and the Warpcore looks fantastic .
Now JJ Enterprise looks a lot more like a ugly rapper/ gangsta tuning car
Well...(SPOILERS) The cutouts in the pylons could allow it to have less reistance when in lower orbit, to allow it to maneuver without putting undo stress on the plyons when within a gravity well.
Correct. The complete structure of the pylons becomes more stable and resistant. Plus you remove some weight. You can see this in nearly every aircraft as soon as you remove the outer hull. The whole "skeleton" is full of cutouts and holes.
I definitely saw some lens flare...
You forgot to mention the different design of the ship's corridors. The Enterprise's corridors shown in Short Treks are narrower, darker, and feature a lot of red. In SNW, the corridors are wider, bright, and white with only red doors. I'm just pointing this out because no one is talking about it on any other channels.
I really hope as the seasons pass it keeps getting changed more towards Kirks Enterprise. Conflicts with the Gorn, and Kligons are on the horizon so removing weak spots like the bridge window, the hole in the nacelle pylons etc can be explained away saying they need to be armored up. This would also make the nacelles more round and less curved like the JJ and the color of the ship could be changed to the original shade too.
The screens and computers can be made bulkier to counter some new EMP-type/hacking weapon, and generally make them sturdier for expected prolonged combat. The big quarters now and exposed piping on the OG can be explained by saying the revamped systems simply need more room.
I think the idea is supposed to be that the ship always looked like this and what we saw in TOS represents an imperfect rendering.
If they were going for the TOS designs being detail to detail canon, there's already on screen reference for what the Enterprise looked like in Pike's time and it wasn't this.
I get that some fans wanted an absolutely faithful TOS design, but it seems clear that's not the aesthetic they are going with.
@@Tim85-y2q Which is wrong IMO. Theyre re imagining for the sake of re-imaging it. If they transition it to kirks look it'll look like an actual evolution from Enterprise to TOS. THAT works.
@@simpsonfan13 Except that for many (including myself) the TOS designs no longer look good or believable now. Instead of looking like something from the future, they look like a quaint vision of what people from the mid 20th century atomic age thought the future would be. In many respects we've already surpassed that level of technology, so I would argue that's a very good reason to reimagine things.
The bridge is HUGE, the quarters are HUGE. And why is there a fireplace in the Captain’s mess? Oh and the Transporter Room is HUGE.
The TOS Enterprise will always be the best.
“Some guy who died when a bridge fall on his face!”🤣🤣🤣🤣
As one smarty-pants wrote, "Shatner's role as Kirk began with a captain on the bridge and ended with a bridge on the captain."
I have been in love with the Discoprise since she first appeared on screen, and that has only increased since SNW has premiered. I really love the exterior shots in the opening credits and during the show. This is one gorgeous starship!!!
There’s a theory I either heard or read on why this Enterprise is more modern looking than Kirks Enterprise. It’s all the time travel Starfleet crews seem to do. Each time one of the crews goes back in time, they leave just a little bit behind. Whether it’s a design, a memory or an object that is later studied. Not to mention the Ferengi and who knows who else has traveled to the past.
All previous starships had this "luxurious submarine" feel. Now they're basically flying a mansion trough space with so - much - room - to - spare!