this is true in many cases - It was the Roman, Constantine that was chiefest in adopting such practices, and then the Roman Catholic church...very sad.
@@Christadelphians This led to Christian crusades which is why most of South America, Spain, Portugal etc. Are worshipping the idol of Mary for their salvation.
To jesusisa Muslim; correction, the Roman catholic church adopted paganism and mixed it with Christianity. The catholic church is not true Christianity. To unite his kingdom, Constantine united the pagans and Christians by changing out the mythological gods with multiple saints. This satisfied both sides. The pagans got 3 persons , the Christians got ' one true god'. Roman catholicism then went on to kill 68 million Christians over several centuries who opposed this doctrine. The so called 'HOLY INQUISITION '. True Christians were labeled 'heretics'. That was a death sentence . They also sent out a highly trained Jesuit priest named Mohammed and he went Rogue and came up with Islam. They lost control over him. The jesuits were trained in destabilization and conquest of countries. God allowed the rise of Islam to counter the spread of Roman catholicism. After all Christians were not warlike . They have the true nature of God. Lambs, doves, etc. GOD IS IN CONTROL.
Ask a Muslim and they will cite 5:72-75 which calls the Trinity Allah, Jesus and Mary and this is also incorrect. So tack Allah in that group who doesn't understand the Trinity.
@@JesusisaMuslim 73- They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. What are you talking about? Lol
@@andys3035 You seem brainwashed. It just says the son of Mary. Absolutely nowhere does it mention Mary as trinity. Many places in Islamic teachings ot says Jesus the son of Mary.
@@JesusisaMuslim are you serious? I got to do the homework for you? Man, I am more Muslim than you. The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. **They both used to eat food.** Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. If you go back to verse 73 it talks about Allah not being a 3rd of 3. Who are the other 2/3 in this context? Mary and Jesus! Where it mentions they are human and ate food drives home this view because the Quran is saying they aren't "gods" and partners with Allah. Surah 5:116 drives home this point even more, same chapter. Use your brain!
Jesus said it as simple as it gets in John 17…”this is eternal life, that they may know You Father, the only true God; and Jesus Christ for whom You sent.” Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 😊
That is not what Scripture says. You have inserted the word 'Father'. You shouldn't add to the Scriptures. Here is what it should say: "And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." (Jn 17:3, NRSV) Notice that it is eternal life to know God AND Jesus Christ. Why is it so essential to know Jesus if He is only a representation of God? Why is it not enough to simply know God?
@ pardon me if I didn’t quote it exactly. Jesus is praying to His God who is the Father. So I’m not sure what your point is. It is essential to know Jesus because He is the only way to the Father. That does not make Jesus God. Nor does it make Jesus part of a they/them/it “triune being”.
@@jonathanfarmer6010 I'm not merely being pedantic. Adding the word Father here changes the meaning of the words. Jesus is praying to God -- YHWH -- the Triune God, but you want it to say that the Father alone is the only true God, which it doesn't say. Right yeah, Jesus is the only way to the Father, this alone doesn't make Him God, but you are wrong in saying Jesus is not part of "they/them/it". Notice that Jesus is included in declarations to God. We have one here, "that they may know you... AND Jesus Christ" (see also, Rom1:7; 1 Cor 1:3; 2 Cor 1:2; Gal 1:3; Eph 6:23; Phil 1:2; 1 Thess 1:1; Philem 3 etc.). How can it be that whatever the Father does, the Son does and vice-versa if they are not one? What does this mean (specifically, how does no one know the Son except the Father?): “All things have been delivered to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and any one to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.” (Matthew 11:27, RSV)
I love hearing there are those teaching this in Australia! And I certainly hope to hear those accents in the Kingdom! Blessings and love all the way from the United States 😊
"But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the husband is the head of his wife, and God is the head of Christ." - 1 Corinthians 11:3 To trinitarians this means my wife's head is my head literally. - Edited 3 months later - I could have written that better honestly, just saw my own comment now. What I am saying is there is a very clear hierarchy that is repeated throughout the Bible, the verse does not then conclude with "and at the head of God is Jesus and/or The holy spirit". I and my wife are one, does that make me her and her me? and lets not forget the whole shenanigans of the attempts to alter the Bible with 1 John 5:7-8, that should be evidence enough let alone what the trinity inventors now preach which nothing short of anti-Christian. If I am wrong and believe me I'm trying to ensure I get it right then I will happily concede and change my opinion but for now I remain to this day unconvinced and given the source it arose from I will stick to what the Bible says quite clearly because I trust Jesus and those that were actually witnesses over so called church leaders that fractured Christianity with its scripture into different sects for their own wants and needs. Let me guess, I just don't get it because its complicated, nope, I know all the arguments, and when you cherry pick verses while ignoring others and interpret ones as literal then flip to metaphorical to try and make the trinity fit with word gymnastics while practicing things not in the Bible or even completely doing exactly what was told NOT to do then I find it a weak argument.
@@ScriptureRooted John 14:26 - But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 15:26 - But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Greetings! Can you please explain what you mean? I don't understand your point. You seem to have one, I just don't get it. Thank you! Until Christ is fully formed in us all, -james
at the death of Jesus on the cross the nature of the flesh perished that caused Jesus to pray, eat, and sleep. He came out of the grave as the firstborn of the dead and a High Priest of God after the order of Melchizedek, He gave up the Kingdom to God by his death that God might be all in all. The father has the identity of Christ as His own identity. Daniel saw Him in Daniel the tenth chapter and John saw Him in Revelations the first Chapter as God almighty the first and the last. Instead of God being 2 or 3 persons He is a number of persons that no man can number, out of the resurrection, beginning with 144,000 Jews the firstfruits unto God. Paul says that the body is not one member but many members and so is Christ. We are members of the Body of Christ because we all have drunk of the same Spirit. To say that God's Spirit is a person is not common sense because a person cannot get inside another person. The thing that makes Jesus the Christ is the fact that God was in Him, if God is a person separate form Him then Jesus cannot be the Christ. This is what John called Antichrist doctrine. Hebrews says that Jesus is the express image of His Person. I take it as Christ is the express image of God's own idea of His person. Another way to look at it is that the word person in the original Greek can also be expanded to mean God's Essence.
@@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOTYes excellent. No contradiction there because Jesus is the Father and also is the Holy spirit. Check the verse which says : I will not leave you comfortless , " I" will come to you.
my favourite argument against the theory of trinity has always been the prayer at Gethsemane. You can't convince me that Jesus prayed to himself, asking to 'let this cup pass' from him in light of the coming crucifixion. Makes zero sense.
Jesus was not praying to Himself, He was praying to His Father. The doctrine of the Trinity isn't that Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit, that's modalism. The Trinity is that The Father is one person, the Son is another and the Holy Spirit is another, but they together are God. The Godhead is three persons.
@@ljnouata9088 So, you are a polytheist then? Jesus is the very same God. Look at Mark 1: >“1The beginning of the good news of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. 2As it is written in the prophet Isaiah, “See, I am sending my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way; 3the voice of one crying out in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight,’ ”” (Mark 1:1-3, NRSV) Note, that here we have a quote from Isaiah, which says: “3A voice cries out: “In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. 5Then the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all people shall see it together, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”” (Isaiah 40:3-5, NRSV) So, Isaiah says that a voice cries out in the wilderness to "prepare the way of the LORD". Lord here is YHWH, i.e. Almighty God. But who came? Who did John the Baptist prepare the way for? It was Christ. There is another passage that is quoted in Mark 1, which is combined with Isaiah, Malachi 3: >“1See, I am sending my messenger to prepare the way before me, and the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple. The messenger of the covenant in whom you delight-indeed, he is coming, says the Lord of hosts. 2But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap;” (Malachi 3:1-2, NRSV) Who is God's messenger preparing the way for? "Me", i.e. Almighty God, who will "suddenly come to his temple". So, both quotes refer to the coming of Almighty God in relation to the coming of Christ.
@@ljnouata9088 So, you are a polytheist then? Jesus is the very same God. Look at Mark 1: >“1The beginning of the good news of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. 2As it is written in the prophet Isaiah, “See, I am sending my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way; 3the voice of one crying out in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight,’ ”” (Mark 1:1-3, NRSV) Note, that here we have a quote from Isaiah, which says: “3A voice cries out: “In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. 5Then the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all people shall see it together, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”” (Isaiah 40:3-5, NRSV) So, Isaiah says that a voice cries out in the wilderness to "prepare the way of the LORD". Lord here is YHWH, i.e. Almighty God. But who came? Who did John the Baptist prepare the way for? It was Christ. There is another passage that is quoted in Mark 1, which is combined with Isaiah, Malachi 3: >“1See, I am sending my messenger to prepare the way before me, and the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple. The messenger of the covenant in whom you delight-indeed, he is coming, says the Lord of hosts. 2But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap;” (Malachi 3:1-2, NRSV) Who is God's messenger preparing the way for? "Me", i.e. Almighty God, who will "suddenly come to his temple". So, both quotes refer to the coming of Almighty God in relation to the coming of Christ.
@@julianpavett9141 you should read what the bible says then Deuteronomy 6:4 Deuteronomy 4:35,39 Deuteronomy 32:39 2 Samuel 7:22. 1 Kings 8:60 2 KINGS 5:15 2 Kings 19:15 1 Chronicles 17:20 Nehemiah 9:6 just to name a few verses that God is the only God not a trinity jesus is the lord of lords and king our saviour not the Creator of the universe for you to say he is is sinful
@@MarkCurtis-eh3ue Philippians 2:6 "Though he was in the image of God, being himself equal to God was something he could not grasp..." So here he identified himself as strictly man and man only using the important characteristics of man. Those being A. In the image of God but B. Not being equal to God. This is the formula for mankind when we were created. And here Christ acknowledges he is of that formula, not one of a God.
@@MarkCurtis-eh3ue he also said many times that he was God's servant. You can't be coequal if you are a servant. You are by Christs own words, subordinate.
us refers to the two natures of Christ. in genesis we read YHWH rained fire and brimstone from YHWH, the distinction being between the visible fleshly manifestation of YHWH who met with Abraham and the invisible Spirit YHWH ( see john 4:24 God is Spirit ).. Us therefore refers to the two natures of YHWH not 2 distinct people.YHWH is not a different person from YHWH, yet YHWH rains FROM YHWH. There is certainly a distinction being made, but not that of people, but natures! If you read Luke 1 you will read that "He will be called the Son because the Spirit will cause the conception." Son therefore refers to the humanity of Christ. John 1 says the Word is God, John 4:24 God is Spirit, thus Christ is the Spirit manifested in the flesh. See Romans 8:9 which says it plainly, the Spirit of God = Spirit of Christ. So Christ is the Son according to his humanity, and Father / Holy Spirit according to his divine Spirit. Christ is fully man fully God. Note also Jesus said "destroy this temple and in three days i will raise it up again!" In acts we read " God raised Jesus" thus the "I" is a direct claim of deity,, God is Spirit thus it was the Spirit who raised Christ's flesh, and Christ refers to the Holy Spirit as "I." This is why the scriptures use Holy Spirit in us interchangeably with Christ in us. As nobody believes a jewish man is in them in a literal sense, we understand it is the Spirit of Christ who is the Holy Spirit in us! In genesis the Spirit is creating, in new testament we read all things were made through Christ, again because the Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit and thus the Holy Spirit in genesis creating is Christ creating ! The Word ( Christ ) became flesh = the Spirit manifested in the temple of man. Christ had 2 wills as a result of his two natures, the human will and the divine will. According to his humanity he willed to eat sleep and grew in wisdom, according to his divine will forgave sins, raised his own body, never grows hungry or tired and is omnipresent... This is why the humanity ( The Son ) was in submission to the Spirit, not 1 person inferior to another, but rather the human nature of Christ in communion and submission to the Spirit of Christ. Jesus said the Father was greater, the Spirit is eternal omnipresent all powerful, the humanity of Christ had a beginning, was not omnipresent, relied on the Spirit for power... In no way does this mean that Christ is not God, it is referring to the two natures of Christ in contrast to each other, not 2 distinct people.
@@JoshuaHults that is some amazing mental gymnastics you have done to justify such an illogical nonsensical position. Congratulations, I don't think I've read such a word salad in a very long time.
@flosy65 Friend you can be free from that The doctrine of the Trinity was constructed almost 400 years after the Blessed LORD ascend unto HEAVENLY FATHER This Doctrine was brought forth at the Council of Nicaea 325 A.D. and fully emerge in 381 A.D. the New Testament was distorted to some degree for the Trinity doctrine by the Bishops who sided with Alexander There is much history here with Nicene Christianity The first century church didn't hold to the teachings that was constructed within the Councils of Nicaea The Blessed LORD is GOD'S SON JESUS said this Himself amen The Blessed LORD was GOD first creation The Blessed LORD said in Revaluation 3:14 that HE was the beginning of GOD'S creation Stay encourage in the TRUTH OF the HEAVENLY FATHER and the SON JESUS CHRIST
Trinity is a clue to determine who the false prophet,that wages war against the only one Almigthy God and his sent Son Jesus, a battle of spirituality, truth against lies,@ Rev, 16:13-16,
Jesus called Jehovah (My God) over and over again because [ Jehovah IS his God ] and also OUR God. The word Christian means .. ( Follower of Christ ) How can you claim to be following Christ, if you don't even believe what he says? Jesus said .. "MY GOD" 4 times, at REVELATION 3:12 .. (King James Bible) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."
@benny-yj7pq Are you saying that you don't believe Christ's words at Rev 3:12 ? Most people believe Jesus is God, but that's false. The Bible is very straightforward about the identity of God. 👇 1 KINGS 18:39 ( Darby Bible Translation ) ""And all the people saw [it], and they fell on their faces and said, Jehovah, he is God! Jehovah, he is God!""
Hi, I would like to ask you about Romans 8:26. I don't believe in the Trinity, but this verse makes no sense to me if the Trinity don't exist. If the Spirit is the power of God, coming from God, to who God is making intercession to? But if the Spirit is a being, He makes intercession to the Father for us. Can you help me with this? Thanks.
The problem with this verse really has to do with translation choice. In the Greek and NASB it is more clear We are the one that God is making intercession to by his Spirit, and Jesus makes intercession as well. "He knows the mind of the spirit" "Hebrews speaks of Jesus interceding for us since he was tested in always such as we are" Romans speaks of God interceding for us and giving healing and life to us by his Spirit that dwells in us. The gift of holy spirit, is how God and Jesus makes intercession to us and through us
ditto - not being raised with any faith, when i was first introduced to the idea of the Trinity - it felt like the 'Kings new clothes' scenario.... i just couldn't see how folk could accept it as real/ legitimate...
@@andys3035 because a just God, who truly wants a relationship with all of His children, would not hide his nature behind esoteric irrational human centric ideas that require endless mental gymnastics and tossing out common sense logic to rationalize.
@@nadenevanstaden7360 THE TRIUNE GODHEAD, THE TRINITY. The bible says Jesus is from ancient times, from of old, from everlasting, and from eternity. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH THE FATHER. It also tells us that he created everything that has ever been created, and nothing that has been created was created without him. All things are held together by him. We clearly know that in the beginning the father wasn't alone. In the book of Genesis, the Holy Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. We also know that when God created man, he was not alone because he said let US create man in our image. In Psalms 89:27 it says "I will also make him my firstborn, greatest of the kings of the earth." God the Father exalted Jesus while he was in the flesh. Philippians 2:5-6 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ who was God in his very nature did not consider using the fact that he was God to his advantage while he was in human form. But Jesus made himself nothing by taking on the role of a servant. We know that he is eternal and our creator. Not to mention, the bible clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is a person who knows the mind of God. The spirit of God has emotions, the Holy spirit teaches, testifies, guides, speaks, enlightens, strives, commands, intercedes, sends workers, comforts, and he also works. When dealing with Ananais, Peter told him that he had not lied to man, but he had lied to God because Ananais had lied to the Holy Spirit. The bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent when it says where can I go from your spirit. The Holy Spirit is known as He. The holy spirit was involved in the creation and HE is also known as another helper. "In Matthew 4:16-17 we see that the Father speaks out of heaven when Jesus is baptized - a clear distinction. We also read in John 17:1 that Jesus prayed to the Father, and he carefully made a distinction between the two in saying "Father... glorify your Son, that the Son may glorify You." In fact, 1 John 2:1 tells us that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father. It doesn't make sense to equate Jesus and the Father as the same person, as these verses would be rendered nonsense. John 14:20 again demonstrates the personhood of both the Son and Father when Jesus said "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." Since we realize that we are different persons than Jesus, this verse would argue that the Father is likewise distinct from the Son and not the same person. Also we see the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. In John 14:26 Jesus again makes this explicit where He teaches "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things." Previous to this Jesus identified the Spirit as "another helper" (John 14:6). That word "another" is key. We also saw the Spirit in the Matthew 4 passage above descend on Jesus as a dove. We know the Spirit is a person, because He has all the attributes of a person and not just "God's holy force" as some are wanting to believe. You cannot lie to an active force, nor can you grieve one (see Eph 4:30). Thus the Bible is clear in presenting each of the three members of the trinity as separate persons - each distinct - but each fully the one true God." THE FATHER IS GOD. THE SON IS GOD. THE HOLYSPIRIT IS GOD. NOT 3 GOD'S, BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD. THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE.
God has made Christ equal to Himself but He God is greater than: Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Jhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Type: Gen 41:40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in >> throne
THE TRIUNE GODHEAD, THE TRINITY. The bible says Jesus is from ancient times, from of old, from everlasting, and from eternity. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH THE FATHER. It also tells us that he created everything that has ever been created, and nothing that has been created was created without him. All things are held together by him. We clearly know that in the beginning the father wasn't alone. In the book of Genesis, the Holy Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. We also know that when God created man, he was not alone because he said let US create man in our image. In Psalms 89:27 it says "I will also make him my firstborn, greatest of the kings of the earth." God the Father exalted Jesus while he was in the flesh. Philippians 2:5-6 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ who was God in his very nature did not consider using the fact that he was God to his advantage while he was in human form. But Jesus made himself nothing by taking on the role of a servant. We know that he is eternal and our creator. Not to mention, the bible clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is a person who knows the mind of God. The spirit of God has emotions, the Holy spirit teaches, testifies, guides, speaks, enlightens, strives, commands, intercedes, sends workers, comforts, and he also works. When dealing with Ananais, Peter told him that he had not lied to man, but he had lied to God because Ananais had lied to the Holy Spirit. The bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent when it says where can I go from your spirit. The Holy Spirit is known as He. The holy spirit was involved in the creation and HE is also known as another helper. "In Matthew 4:16-17 we see that the Father speaks out of heaven when Jesus is baptized - a clear distinction. We also read in John 17:1 that Jesus prayed to the Father, and he carefully made a distinction between the two in saying "Father... glorify your Son, that the Son may glorify You." In fact, 1 John 2:1 tells us that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father. It doesn't make sense to equate Jesus and the Father as the same person, as these verses would be rendered nonsense. John 14:20 again demonstrates the personhood of both the Son and Father when Jesus said "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." Since we realize that we are different persons than Jesus, this verse would argue that the Father is likewise distinct from the Son and not the same person. Also we see the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. In John 14:26 Jesus again makes this explicit where He teaches "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things." Previous to this Jesus identified the Spirit as "another helper" (John 14:6). That word "another" is key. We also saw the Spirit in the Matthew 4 passage above descend on Jesus as a dove. We know the Spirit is a person, because He has all the attributes of a person and not just "God's holy force" as some are wanting to believe. You cannot lie to an active force, nor can you grieve one (see Eph 4:30). Thus the Bible is clear in presenting each of the three members of the trinity as separate persons - each distinct - but each fully the one true God." THE FATHER IS GOD. THE SON IS GOD. THE HOLYSPIRIT IS GOD. NOT 3 GOD'S, BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD. THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE.
I’m not a trinitarian, but I looked up Isaiah 9:6 where it says “Mighty God” and it is not Emmanuel as it is in Isa. 7:14. It’s “El”. So how do you get it being Emmanuel??
When all the facts are laid out before us, the truth of the matter is plain and it should be evident to the reasonable mind that the weight of the evidence is heavily against the Trinitarian translation. The Trinitarian translation not only results in an absurd statement concerning God's God, it results in an ancient Davidic King (Ps 45) who lived long before Jesus being called "God." Trinitarians inconsistently translate ho theos at 1:8-9 and the implications are that God has a God and God's God anoints God so that God will make God to be above God's peers. It's ridiculous on the face of it. Christians unlearned of Torah and Igonrance The “Law of Agency ”Yeshua is the shaliach (emissary or agent) and High priest of God,”Yeshua is Completed Tzaddik, but he is not God. Since he is the fully empowered agent of God, he has the power to forgive sins, heal, resurrect, etc. But his power does not prove him to be God. All it proves is that he is fully empowered by God!
As for John 1:14 you treat it the same way the trinitarians do. You think the traditional translation is the correct one, when in fact the Greek can be translated: "and the word came to flesh (the human kind of flesh) and dwelt IN US. egeneto sarx; came to flesh. en himen: in us. There are not hard and fast rules that require a translator to translate a very slippery word like egeneto as "became." CAME TO makes far more Biblical sense, and if the word didn't come to dwell in the human kind of flesh which is all of humanity, then none of us would be saved. Words don't become people. Words are spirit and spirit begets spirit....not flesh. John 3:6
I thought this at one time myself, but, correct me if I'm wrong, wouldn't "sarx" have to be in accusative form rather than nominative for egeneto to mean "came TO flesh" in that verse?
@@maxspringer01 Rules of Greek grammar don't apply when the conclusion results in conflict with essential doctrines to our salvation. Knowing who YHWH is, who Jesus is, and who Paul is and what they taught, are all essential to our salvation. John 1:14 as translated in English Bibles conflicts with other prophetic texts that teach the "word will be in Jesus and in us." If the word is not dwelling in you than you are not saved. Where does the Greek text say sarx cannot refer to the human kind of flesh, as in humanity? The traditional translation of John 1:14 leads people to believe the God of the Bible changes, when the Bible says He does not change his spirit nature. So I ask rhetorically: Does God have 2 natures? Of course not! Greek scholars who agree with the traditional "became flesh" translation are obviously theologically motivated. Their Trinitarian indoctrination results in a presuppositional bias that conflicts with the nature of God and His word. "Became flesh" alters God's nature to a flesh and blood human, which results in an absurdity. "Came to flesh" keeps the spirit nature of God and his word as one, and doesn't seek to change God's nature. Greek "Egeneto"; Hebrew "WAY-HI" The Hebrew word with the same meaning is (way-hi). There are many examples in the Bible where the LXX translators used "egeneto" to translate way-hi in verses that render it: "..came to.." Examples: a. NEW TESTAMENT i) "The word of God CAME TO (egeneto) John the Baptist....." Luke 3:2 ii) "If he called them gods to whom the word of God CAME (egeneto)." John 10:35 b. OLD TESTAMENT i) "Then the word of YHWH CAME TO Elijah..." 1 Kings 21:17 ii) "The word of YHWH CAME TO me, saying,..." Jeremiah 1:4 iii) "the word of YHWH CAME TO Nathan, saying, 1 Chronicles 17:3 iv) "The word of Yahweh that CAME TO Hosea....." Hosea 1:1 v) "..the word of YHWH CAME TO Shemaiah,..." 2 Chronicles 12:7 vi) "the word of Yahweh CAME TO him saying,." Genesis 15:4 vii) "the word of Yahweh CAME TO Abram..." Genesis 15:1 viii) "The word of Yahweh CAME TO me, saying,.." Ezekiel 6:1 ALSO SEE: Jeremiah 1:2, 11; Jeremiah 13:8; (came; ἐγένετο) Mark 1:11, Luke 3:22; Luke 9:35. The above verses demonstrate the word of God is put into people, comes to people, and comes to dwell in people, but nowhere does the Bible support the idea that the word of God becomes the flesh of Jesus or anyone else. God's word is spirit: "It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit, and are life." (John 6:63). Spirit does not become flesh. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." (John 3:6) Words are spirit. Words do not become flesh. Words enter into the mind. Notice how Paul refers to the word of God being IN the believers mouth and heart: "But what does it say? "The word (logos) is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the MESSAGE concerning faith that we proclaim: If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:8-9 Paul states: "let the word of God dwell in you richly." Colossians 3:16 God tells Jeremiah: “Behold, I have put my words in your mouth.” Jeremiah 1:9. We see similar language used in Deuteronomy 18:18 END of PART 7(a) ------------------------------------------------ PART 7(b): An Exegetical Commentary on John's prologue. THE COMPATIBLE TRANSLATION OF JOHN 1:14 2. The Greek word "sarx" should be translated "humanity." In Acts 2:17 Peter quotes Joel 2:28 "..I will pour out My spirit on all flesh..." The meaning of sarx here is better translated as mankind, which some Bibles do. (see below). Paul states: "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds." (1 Corinthians 15:39) The "one kind of flesh of men" is a reference to mankind or humanity. More than 80 percent of the time "sarx" is translated "flesh" it is associated with the sinful nature of man. Sarx is also used in reference to humanity, mankind, all people, animals, birds and fishes. Sarx is also used in reference to parts of animals and humans. The meat of animals is called flesh. In Acts 2:17 Luke tells us Peter refers to sarx as human kind, all people, or humanity. Note: the following translations of Acts 2:17 have the word sarx translated humanity, everyone, or all people: i) The NASB: mankind ii) Weymouth New Testament: mankind. iii) GOD'S WORD® Translation: everyone iv) Aramaic Bible in Plain English: everyone v) International Standard Version: everyone vi) Good News Translation: everyone vii) The NET Bible: all people. viii) Holman Christian Standard Bible: humanity ix) Contemporary English Version: everyone x) Christian Standard Bible: all people xi) Berean Study Bible: all people xii) New Living Translation: all people xiii) New International Version: all people Paul also uses flesh as a reference to all of humanity where he states: "no flesh is justified by the works of the law" (Romans 3:20; Galatians 2:16). When the context is not referring to the sinful nature of man, or to the physical bodies or parts of animals, and where the context is clearly about the human kind of flesh in the broader sense of humanity, the word "sarx" in John 1:14 should be translated "humanity, all people, or everyone." Methodist writer Joseph Benson emphasizes sarx as referring to 'the whole human nature.' This indicates others have come to the same conclusion I have. 3. The Greek words "en hemin" should be translated "in us" The Greek word "en" is commonly translated "in" and "hemin" is translated "us." Putting the two together "en hemin" can be rendered as "in us" which fits perfectly with the Bible. The word does nothing to transform the heart and mind of anyone unless it dwells in them by being received and believed in faith. The Greek preposition and noun combination "en hemin" is not always translated "among us." There are several Examples to demonstrate "en hemin" is translated "in us" or "within us." EXAMPLES: i) Luke 24:32: within us; in us ii) Romans 8:4: in us iii) John 17:21: in us iv) Ephesians 3:20: within us; in us v) Philemon 1:6 : some translations have "in us" others "in you" (still referring to more than one). vi) 2 Timothy 1:14: within us; in us vii) 2 John 1:2 "menousen en hemin" is translated as follows: "abides in us" ASV, NASB; "dwells in us" Aramaic Bible in Plain English; "dwelleth in us" KJV; "lives in us" NIV, NLT; Many other examples exist to demonstrate "en hemin" is often translated "in us" in the New Testament. Paul says the word of Christ (the Gospel) comes to dwell "in" the hearts and minds of believers. (Colossians 3:16) Translating "en hemin" in John 1:14 to read "in us" is consistent with the Bible, is logical, reasonable, and causes no conflicts with the Bible.
Jesus took not on the nature of angels, but the seed of Abraham, says Hebrews. This Christ Jesus' incarnation is more that merely the word coming to flesh. God in Jesus wore out flesh is closer to the truth, though it is not so said in Bible. But it does say he became us, and he became sin rather than merely he came to us
@@johnspartan98are you forgetting that “The Word was in the beginning” in John 1:1a? “In the beginning was God’s words” Your interpretation by John wouldn’t make sense in any language.
@@ljnouata9088 How do you know I'm forgetting John 1:1a? Here's what I put together from years of study. Read it and then show me what you remember from your studies pal. An Exegetical Commentary on John's Prologue PART 3, John 1:1 a. In the beginning was the word (ho logos), b. and the word (ho logos) was integral to God (ton theon), c. and divine (theos) was the word (ho logos). Or: "and the word (ho logos) was divine (theos)." Or: "and what God (theos) was, the word (ho logos) was." James Moffatt, former professor of Greek and New Testament Exegesis at Mansfield College in Oxford, England, and author of the well-known Moffatt Bible, agrees. He translated John 1:1c as, “the logos was divine.” In 1:1b, Ton Theon with the definite article is properly translated to English as "the God" with an uppercase "G" to signify it is referring to YHWH the only true God. Translators remove the definite article and use uppercase "G" to make God a proper noun referring to YHWH, the only true God (John 17:3). In 1:1c, Theos without the definite article is normally translated as god with a lowercase "g" and is sometimes translated as "divine." The divine translation more accurately applies here since there is no other deity mentioned. In John 1:1 all three instances of "ho logos" do not refer to another person or lessor god. The word is YHWH's word, and more specifically the writer is referring to none other than the GOSPEL which was in YHWH's forethought from eternity. The use of theos without the definite article, sandwiched between "ton theon" and "ho logos," indicates "theos" is being used as a predicate adjective to describe the spirit nature and qualities of YHWH and His word as being the same spirit, life, light, eternal, holy, and divine Logos. Both YHWH and His Logos are DIVINE. "Ho Logos" is an attribute and possession of YHWH, not a person, not a lessor god, and not Jesus. There is no Biblical basis for concluding that the second use of theos (without the definite article) is referring to a second person whose name is the word. The Author does not write: In the beginning was Jesus. No other deity besides YHWH is mentioned in John 's Gospel. Jesus never refers to himself as "ho logos" and neither do the Apostles. Quote: "The second use of theos in John 1:1c serves as a predicate adjective rather than as a predicate noun." [citation: Maximillian Zerwick, Biblical Greek, Rome: Scripta Ponificii Instituti Biblici, 1963, p. 55, par. 171; p. 57, par. 176. Regarding John 1:1b "pros ton theon" It is incorrect to insist that "pros" points to another person (Jesus) as having an eternal preexistent relationship with YHWH. What John is telling us is exactly what the Bible teaches: the Gospel is of the same eternal and divine spirit nature as what YHWH is. There is an eternal relationship between YHWH and His word without the word being the person of Jesus. According to Bauer’s Greek-English Lexicon the preposition pros with the accusative, as in John 1:1, 2, is a marker of movement or orientation toward someone or something. The context determines if it is a person or a something. Pros can mean a number of things such as, according to Bauer's: toward, towards, to, near, at, during, aiming at, striving toward, against, for, to indicate a connection by marking a point of reference, with reference to/regard to (about, because of, with respect to, which concerns, which belongs to, what makes for, in accordance with, in order to, for the purpose of),in adverbial expressions (“tends toward” Jas. 5:4) by, at, near. Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon adds the definition “pertaining to.” Also, various translations render pros with the accusative as: Concerning, as respects, pertaining to, of, even to. Furthermore, the Greek word generally rendered as ‘with’ is para and not pros. The assumption that "pros" means there is another person "with" God in John 1:1 can only be due to TRADITION. The mystics, Gnostics, and Philosophers like Philo infected the early church with a lessor god and /or logos theory that conflicts with the Bible. People who insist on this interpretation overlook the Biblical evidence that "pros" can also be translated as "with" when referring to a something, rather than a someone. (Examples below). NOTE: The LXX renders pros ton theon as “to God.” Eighteen other occurrences of pros ton theon in the New Testament Scriptures are translated as: “to God,” “toward God,” “related to God” or “pertaining to God.” For example, many translations render the phrase pros ton theon in Hebrews 5:2 as: “pertaining to God...” (NASB); “in relation to God...” (ESV); “related to God...” (NIV). Similarly, in Hebrews 2:17 and Romans 15:17. The same or similar phrases are used in a number of other texts. Bauer’s choice of phrase for Romans 15:17 is “that which concerns God” in its rendering of "ta pros ton theon." Regardless, there is Biblical evidence that "pros" can be translated as "with" when referring to a something integral to God such as his spirit, nature, attributes, word, wisdom, power, love, etc.. However, in my opinion: "integral to God" is more accurate. Truly God's word is an integral part of who God is (the self revealing one). Job 10:12-16 informs us that God’s attributes such as life, love, wisdom, power are with Him. Isa 40.10; 62.11 states “His reward is with Him.” 2 Kings 3:12 states “The word of the Lord is with him.” In John 1:1 the Greek phrase "pros ton theon" refers to things and not a person. Other examples make this point clear. We have:
“things with God” (Heb 2:17; 5:1; Rom 17:15) “conscience with God” (Acts 24:16) “confidence with God” (2 Cor 3:4; 1 John 3:21) “peace with God” (Rom 5:1) “Faith with God.” (1 Thessalonians 1:8) Jesus cannot be read into the text of John 1:1 as being YHWH or the word because YHWH and His word are not begotten or born. Jesus was begotten and born. John 6:63 states God's word is spirit, meaning: of the same divine eternal spirit nature as YAHWEH. God is a spirit. (John 4:24) God's word is spirit. (John 6:63) God's word does not become flesh. (John 3:6) God's word is placed INTO Jesus. Deuteronomy 18:18. Jesus, the Son of God, is not the "word" (logos) of John 1:1. Rather, Jesus spoke his Father's logos....the very words he said belonged to his FATHER. (John 7:15-17; John 12:49-50; John 14:10; John 14:24). The belief that the word of God became the flesh of Jesus conflicts with the Bible which teaches us that the word of God came THROUGH Jesus to humanity to dwell in our hearts and minds and transform us. The Logos of God was placed into Jesus by God. Deuteronomy 18:18; Acts 3:22 END OF PART 3
After reasoning on John 1:1,14, you could just drop down to what John said about God in verse 18. 'No man has seen God,...' Simple. One more thing on John 1:1. The greek word rendered as 'God' in the first part of the verse is different from the greek word used for 'God' in the last part. Because the indefinite article was used in the first 'God', but not in the last 'God', implys that the first instance is speaking of God the person, whereas the second 'God' is more of a descriptive meaning, an adjective. So, its not talking of the person of God, but a person who has godlike qualities. And who better to fit that description than God's only begotten, created son, who was known as the Word, but when born on earth, as Jesus.
Very good coverage of identifying BOTH the Father and His Son. If Jesus was Actually His Father, then MARY, the Creation, gave BIRTH to Her CREATOR. Absolutely preposterous...
@@ANDY_FUGAZI The WORD became Flesh,, John 1:14 , The WORD, who was GOD was born of a woman…, as Christianity has believed for 2000 yrs,, as the Scriptures teach 📚
Yes, you are misunderstanding the doctrine of the Trinity. Jesus is NOT His Father. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are separate persons that together are one God. God is love and does not change. Therefore, for God to be love, He must have loved for eternity. Who did God love? The Father loved the Son, the Son loved the Father, and the Holy Spirit is the love shared between them.
@@julianpavett9141 O I see, They are ONE as is a married couple & as is the Christian Congregation: ONE IN UNITY not actually literally one. Ah, I get it now: So why do so many say Jesus is actually His Father and is mention of the Holy Spirit being called Father or Son for that matter ?
Isaiah does not say everlasting father, it says Pele Y'ets al gibbor ad shar Shalom. It literally says he would be called the wonderful counselor, Elohim, Al is Short for Elohim, and everlasting powerful Prince of shalom. The word father is never mentioned it is added to many texts but it is not in the original Hebrew. And Elohim does not mean the Almighty in this context it's talking about what an Elohim is, it's because when you translate Hebrew into English you cannot use one or two words for one Hebrew word you must use many words or you will never understand it fully.
THE TRIUNE GODHEAD, THE TRINITY. The bible says Jesus is from ancient times, from of old, from everlasting, and from eternity. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH THE FATHER. It also tells us that he created everything that has ever been created, and nothing that has been created was created without him. All things are held together by him. We clearly know that in the beginning the father wasn't alone. In the book of Genesis, the Holy Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. We also know that when God created man, he was not alone because he said let US create man in our image. In Psalms 89:27 it says "I will also make him my firstborn, greatest of the kings of the earth." God the Father exalted Jesus while he was in the flesh. Philippians 2:5-6 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ who was God in his very nature did not consider using the fact that he was God to his advantage while he was in human form. But Jesus made himself nothing by taking on the role of a servant. We know that he is eternal and our creator. Not to mention, the bible clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is a person who knows the mind of God. The spirit of God has emotions, the Holy spirit teaches, testifies, guides, speaks, enlightens, strives, commands, intercedes, sends workers, comforts, and he also works. When dealing with Ananais, Peter told him that he had not lied to man, but he had lied to God because Ananais had lied to the Holy Spirit. The bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent when it says where can I go from your spirit. The Holy Spirit is known as He. The holy spirit was involved in the creation and HE is also known as another helper. "In Matthew 4:16-17 we see that the Father speaks out of heaven when Jesus is baptized - a clear distinction. We also read in John 17:1 that Jesus prayed to the Father, and he carefully made a distinction between the two in saying "Father... glorify your Son, that the Son may glorify You." In fact, 1 John 2:1 tells us that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father. It doesn't make sense to equate Jesus and the Father as the same person, as these verses would be rendered nonsense. John 14:20 again demonstrates the personhood of both the Son and Father when Jesus said "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." Since we realize that we are different persons than Jesus, this verse would argue that the Father is likewise distinct from the Son and not the same person. Also we see the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. In John 14:26 Jesus again makes this explicit where He teaches "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things." Previous to this Jesus identified the Spirit as "another helper" (John 14:6). That word "another" is key. We also saw the Spirit in the Matthew 4 passage above descend on Jesus as a dove. We know the Spirit is a person, because He has all the attributes of a person and not just "God's holy force" as some are wanting to believe. You cannot lie to an active force, nor can you grieve one (see Eph 4:30). Thus the Bible is clear in presenting each of the three members of the trinity as separate persons - each distinct - but each fully the one true God." THE FATHER IS GOD. THE SON IS GOD. THE HOLYSPIRIT IS GOD. NOT 3 GOD'S, BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD. THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE.
"Never do you ever find the word LOGOS in scripture to denote a physical being. It's not there." Look, I understand that things can be stated over emphatically for effect, but should have thusly been further explained or qualified by stating that John the apostle is quoting the Septuagint from 1 Kings, Jeremiah, Hosea and Ezekiel (just to name a few) where the word LOGOS is in fact personified. That's as far as I had made it into the video, and I have other things to do so I'll finish later- maybe these OT scriptures are at some point explained. If they are not, however, what I had quoted above by the speaker is an oversight in study, an assertion with sound arguments left unstated due to time constraints, points that will be addressed later, or a bold and outright lie.
@@matthewmctamney5267 " and the word became flesh." aka the logos became flesh. So the plan of God was the logos, and this plan was Himself, who being made in the likeness of men...
Jesus talks about being with the Father in heaven. He was created before the angels according to Colossians 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature" and Revelation 3:14b "These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God." Jesus was with Hod in heaven and, whether or not our finite minds can wrap around it, he came as a child. That is how God ordained it. We aren't required to understand because His ways are higher than our ways." Jesus only did the things he saw the Father do. John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. Please don't try and explain this away. That would be akin to trying to explain Trinity.
Can someone explain to me please by what Jesus means by glorify me together with Yourself , with the glory which I had with you before the world was.? If he wasnt with the father before the world was? In John 17:5
Why bother explaining that faulty translation of Isaiah 9:6 when all you need to do is go to the Septuigant for the correct translation? The Septuigant in Greek to English reads nothing like the KJV and a few others that copied it.
John 14:26 - But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 15:26 - But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
at the death of Jesus on the cross the nature of the flesh perished that caused Jesus to pray, eat, and sleep. He came out of the grave as the firstborn of the dead and a High Priest of God after the order of Melchizedek, He gave up the Kingdom to God by his death that God might be all in all. The father has the identity of Christ as His own identity. Daniel saw Him in Daniel the tenth chapter and John saw Him in Revelations the first Chapter as God almighty the first and the last. Instead of God being 2 or 3 persons He is a number of persons that no man can number, out of the resurrection, beginning with 144,000 Jews the firstfruits unto God. Paul says that the body is not one member but many members and so is Christ. We are members of the Body of Christ because we all have drunk of the same Spirit. To say that God's Spirit is a person is not common sense because a person cannot get inside another person. The thing that makes Jesus the Christ is the fact that God was in Him, if God is a person separate form Him then Jesus cannot be the Christ. This is what John called Antichrist doctrine. Hebrews says that Jesus is the express image of His Person. I take it as Christ is the express image of God's own idea of His person. Another way to look at it is that the word person in the original Greek can also be expanded to mean God's Essence.
THE TRIUNE GODHEAD, THE TRINITY. The bible says Jesus is from ancient times, from of old, from everlasting, and from eternity. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH THE FATHER. It also tells us that he created everything that has ever been created, and nothing that has been created was created without him. All things are held together by him. We clearly know that in the beginning the father wasn't alone. In the book of Genesis, the Holy Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. We also know that when God created man, he was not alone because he said let US create man in our image. In Psalms 89:27 it says "I will also make him my firstborn, greatest of the kings of the earth." God the Father exalted Jesus while he was in the flesh. Philippians 2:5-6 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ who was God in his very nature did not consider using the fact that he was God to his advantage while he was in human form. But Jesus made himself nothing by taking on the role of a servant. We know that he is eternal and our creator. Not to mention, the bible clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is a person who knows the mind of God. The spirit of God has emotions, the Holy spirit teaches, testifies, guides, speaks, enlightens, strives, commands, intercedes, sends workers, comforts, and he also works. When dealing with Ananais, Peter told him that he had not lied to man, but he had lied to God because Ananais had lied to the Holy Spirit. The bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent when it says where can I go from your spirit. The Holy Spirit is known as He. The holy spirit was involved in the creation and HE is also known as another helper. "In Matthew 4:16-17 we see that the Father speaks out of heaven when Jesus is baptized - a clear distinction. We also read in John 17:1 that Jesus prayed to the Father, and he carefully made a distinction between the two in saying "Father... glorify your Son, that the Son may glorify You." In fact, 1 John 2:1 tells us that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father. It doesn't make sense to equate Jesus and the Father as the same person, as these verses would be rendered nonsense. John 14:20 again demonstrates the personhood of both the Son and Father when Jesus said "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." Since we realize that we are different persons than Jesus, this verse would argue that the Father is likewise distinct from the Son and not the same person. Also we see the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. In John 14:26 Jesus again makes this explicit where He teaches "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things." Previous to this Jesus identified the Spirit as "another helper" (John 14:6). That word "another" is key. We also saw the Spirit in the Matthew 4 passage above descend on Jesus as a dove. We know the Spirit is a person, because He has all the attributes of a person and not just "God's holy force" as some are wanting to believe. You cannot lie to an active force, nor can you grieve one (see Eph 4:30). Thus the Bible is clear in presenting each of the three members of the trinity as separate persons - each distinct - but each fully the one true God." THE FATHER IS GOD. THE SON IS GOD. THE HOLYSPIRIT IS GOD. NOT 3 GOD'S, BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD. THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE.
@@wahiidstube THE TRIUNE GODHEAD, THE TRINITY. The bible says Jesus is from ancient times, from of old, from everlasting, and from eternity. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH THE FATHER. It also tells us that he created everything that has ever been created, and nothing that has been created was created without him. All things are held together by him. We clearly know that in the beginning the father wasn't alone. In the book of Genesis, the Holy Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. We also know that when God created man, he was not alone because he said let US create man in our image. In Psalms 89:27 it says "I will also make him my firstborn, greatest of the kings of the earth." God the Father exalted Jesus while he was in the flesh. Philippians 2:5-6 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ who was God in his very nature did not consider using the fact that he was God to his advantage while he was in human form. But Jesus made himself nothing by taking on the role of a servant. We know that he is eternal and our creator. Not to mention, the bible clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is a person who knows the mind of God. The spirit of God has emotions, the Holy spirit teaches, testifies, guides, speaks, enlightens, strives, commands, intercedes, sends workers, comforts, and he also works. When dealing with Ananais, Peter told him that he had not lied to man, but he had lied to God because Ananais had lied to the Holy Spirit. The bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent when it says where can I go from your spirit. The Holy Spirit is known as He. The holy spirit was involved in the creation and HE is also known as another helper. "In Matthew 4:16-17 we see that the Father speaks out of heaven when Jesus is baptized - a clear distinction. We also read in John 17:1 that Jesus prayed to the Father, and he carefully made a distinction between the two in saying "Father... glorify your Son, that the Son may glorify You." In fact, 1 John 2:1 tells us that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father. It doesn't make sense to equate Jesus and the Father as the same person, as these verses would be rendered nonsense. John 14:20 again demonstrates the personhood of both the Son and Father when Jesus said "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." Since we realize that we are different persons than Jesus, this verse would argue that the Father is likewise distinct from the Son and not the same person. Also we see the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. In John 14:26 Jesus again makes this explicit where He teaches "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things." Previous to this Jesus identified the Spirit as "another helper" (John 14:6). That word "another" is key. We also saw the Spirit in the Matthew 4 passage above descend on Jesus as a dove. We know the Spirit is a person, because He has all the attributes of a person and not just "God's holy force" as some are wanting to believe. You cannot lie to an active force, nor can you grieve one (see Eph 4:30). Thus the Bible is clear in presenting each of the three members of the trinity as separate persons - each distinct - but each fully the one true God." THE FATHER IS GOD. THE SON IS GOD. THE HOLYSPIRIT IS GOD. NOT 3 GOD'S, BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD. THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE.
@wahiidstube It clear says that if you believe God, About his Son, you have eternal life, and if you don't you will parish. It said eternal, if you say different then you are calling God a liar. There is no works involved, only thing you have to do is believe, if you say different you are calling God a liar. So easy.
*Jesus wanted his Father's Kingdom to be Established and his Father is God* Just read the Lord's Prayer. Jesus says our Father in heaven, speaks of his kingdom and his will being done and asks the Father to forgive sins and provide us daily bread. Jesus did the work of his Father and represented him perfectly. In this way he was one with the Father, did the works of his Father and showed us the deeds of the Father. In the same way I can see that the wind blew down my fence and I know it's there. Jesus does God's/his Father's will so shows us God his Father is there. It's his Father's Will, Kingdom, Name, the Father who he asks to deliver us and lead us to righteousness. Jesus asked us to pray that his Father's Will, Name and Kingdom to be manifested and honoured as that is the reason he came here; to establish his Father's Kingdom.
Jesus also told Magdalene, "Go tell them 'I ascend to MY God and your God, and MY Father, and YOUR Father." There is a difference in how Jesus is God's Son and we're God's children.
Jesus said in His prayer Our Father in heaven...forgive us our sins. But Peter says in Acts forgiveness of sins is through only one name Jesus. Also John 3:13 no one has ascended to heaven but who has come down from heaven
Read Exo again. Exo 33:20: But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man can see My face and live.” What did Moses wish to see? What did God tell Moses that he could see? Did Moses see God's face? What was Moses able to see? Did Moses see some aspect of God and live? No man can see the essence/ousia or face of the Father. The incarnate Son is the icon of the Father, which is how we can see the Father. The Son reveals the Father to the Church.
THE TRIUNE GODHEAD, THE TRINITY. The bible says Jesus is from ancient times, from of old, from everlasting, and from eternity. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH THE FATHER. It also tells us that he created everything that has ever been created, and nothing that has been created was created without him. All things are held together by him. We clearly know that in the beginning the father wasn't alone. In the book of Genesis, the Holy Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. We also know that when God created man, he was not alone because he said let US create man in our image. In Psalms 89:27 it says "I will also make him my firstborn, greatest of the kings of the earth." God the Father exalted Jesus while he was in the flesh. Philippians 2:5-6 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ who was God in his very nature did not consider using the fact that he was God to his advantage while he was in human form. But Jesus made himself nothing by taking on the role of a servant. We know that he is eternal and our creator. Not to mention, the bible clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is a person who knows the mind of God. The spirit of God has emotions, the Holy spirit teaches, testifies, guides, speaks, enlightens, strives, commands, intercedes, sends workers, comforts, and he also works. When dealing with Ananais, Peter told him that he had not lied to man, but he had lied to God because Ananais had lied to the Holy Spirit. The bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent when it says where can I go from your spirit. The Holy Spirit is known as He. The holy spirit was involved in the creation and HE is also known as another helper. "In Matthew 4:16-17 we see that the Father speaks out of heaven when Jesus is baptized - a clear distinction. We also read in John 17:1 that Jesus prayed to the Father, and he carefully made a distinction between the two in saying "Father... glorify your Son, that the Son may glorify You." In fact, 1 John 2:1 tells us that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father. It doesn't make sense to equate Jesus and the Father as the same person, as these verses would be rendered nonsense. John 14:20 again demonstrates the personhood of both the Son and Father when Jesus said "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." Since we realize that we are different persons than Jesus, this verse would argue that the Father is likewise distinct from the Son and not the same person. Also we see the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. In John 14:26 Jesus again makes this explicit where He teaches "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things." Previous to this Jesus identified the Spirit as "another helper" (John 14:6). That word "another" is key. We also saw the Spirit in the Matthew 4 passage above descend on Jesus as a dove. We know the Spirit is a person, because He has all the attributes of a person and not just "God's holy force" as some are wanting to believe. You cannot lie to an active force, nor can you grieve one (see Eph 4:30). Thus the Bible is clear in presenting each of the three members of the trinity as separate persons - each distinct - but each fully the one true God." THE FATHER IS GOD. THE SON IS GOD. THE HOLYSPIRIT IS GOD. NOT 3 GOD'S, BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD. THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE.
It's either full of lies, or the narrator is unknowingly spreading disinformation. His definition of greek meanings is way way offs Logos isn't anywhere close to intent , reasoning or purpose. Logos is either word, principle thought or speech. In fact every single instance when he "explains" what any verse really means he's not even in the ballpark. Nothing but eisegesis here.
Please answer these questions: Who is the Rock cut out of the Mountain, not by human hands Daniel 2? Who is the Mountain? Are the Rock and the Mountain made of the same substance? What came first, the Rock or the Mountain? 🙏❤
@albertmomberger Your point also applies to the created son of God, Adam, made out of what God created, rocks and mountains and dust. So your point can equally say Jesus is created of the same stuff, a son of David, a seed of Eve, a brother to all Israelis, a man, a last Adam.
@@ken440 Please see the context of Daniel 2. 🙏🏽 This is a spiritual Mountain. Also, the Son of God, the Word, is not created. This makes the Son of God the same substance as God the Father. ❤️
@@albertmomberger the context of hebrew scripture is an anointed king, son of David, seed of the woman, brother of israel. your assumption is insistance on substance. If substance then in john where Jesus prays "may these disciples be one with us as you and i are one" must mean the trinity is no more, as there are now at least 12 more who are of same substance. That would be a godhead of 15. no that shows the "substance" in ontologically folly as an argument.
@@albertmomberger scripture states (by the words of Gods messenger Gabriel) that Mary would be birthing the promised one, the seed of Eve (gen3:15) (why Jesus called himself "son of man") Brother of israel (deut18:18) and offspring of Abraham (why Jesus said "I am he" when the jews mentioned Abraham being pleased) a son of David, a shoot of Jesse. And says himself that YHWH is his God, and why Peter says "a man attested BY GOD with miracles" and Paul says "there is but one God, and one man who is mediator between God and men." And why Jesus is called "lamb OF GOD" and was killed on a passover, leading to the lambs blood being our covering. Sounds like one created, to me. And that should be alpha and omega of what you should be need to remove your trinity stumbling block.
There really is nothing to debate: Jesus IS GOD’S Son. Period. Yahweh is Jesus’s Father. Why do trinitarians insist on GOING BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN. 1 Cor 4:6 There’s one other entity, being, that wants nothing more than to distort the Majestic, Loving Father/Son relationship
Jesus is the only thing God ( Jehovah) created, after that, all things were made through Jesus! God and Jesus worked together for one purpose, to re-establish Eden on earth, the kingdom coming will bring paradise back to man!!! A perfect government for mankind!!!
@@PCB-dg7pt That's just not what the Bible teaches at all. Read Isaiah chapters 40-48. You will find many verses where the Father claims to be and do every single thing that Jesus is said to. The Father claims to be THE Creator in Is. 41:20; 42:5; 43:7,15; 44:24; 45:7,11,12,18.
@@gregory7406 I was correct the first time. Read John 1:1,3,14 without having your monotheism, pagan-clouded eyes tell you otherwise. The Scripture is CLEAR. Verse 14 cannot be anyone BUT Jesus Christ. Col. 1:6 reiterates for those who hate Jesus and wish to discredit Him. You WILL bow.
I used to be a Trinitarian in one of the world’s largest religious denominations for 53 years and taught and raised my own family the same for 18 years. I continued in this teaching right up until the day God had mercy on me and sent me the Holy Spirit who led me into all the truth (John 16:13). What does the Spirit have to say about this? If you have eyes to see and ears to hear, listen: “At that same time Jesus was filled with the joy of the Holy Spirit, and he said, “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for HIDING THESE THINGS FROM THOSE WHO THINK THEMSELVES WISE AND CLEVER, and for REVEALING THEM TO THE CHILDLIKE. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way.” (Luke 10:21) “Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will NEVER ENTER the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt. 18:3) Now, remember that show, “Are you smarter than a 5th grader”? Are you willing to be humble and be like a child? Take the test yourself and find out. The topic is based on the doctrine of the Trinity. This doctrine declares the Godhead is triune being comprised of Father, Son and Holy Spirit who are “co-equal” with each other and “are all God”. Without being a bible scholar or having to twist scripture, this is really quite simple. Ready to test yourself? Elementary 5th grade reading and basic 2nd grade math show us the truth of this matter; hence being like a child just like our Lord said: Open your Bible, go to the gospel of John and read the following verses for yourself: John 1:1-3. Now do the basic math. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3? Having established that both the Father and the Son are God from what you just read, now read the following verses: John 5:17, 5:19, 5:20, 5:21, 5:22, 5:23, 5:26, 5:30, 5:36, 8:28, 12:50, 10:30, 14:6, 14:23, 14:28, 15:10, 17:3, 17:5, Rom. 1:1, Rom. 1:27, 1 Cor. 1:3, 1 Cor. 1:9, 1 Cor. 8:6-7, 1 Cor. 15:27-28, 2 Cor. 1:2-3, Eph. 1:2, 5:20, Philip. 1:2, Col. 1:3, 1 Thess. 1:3, 2 Thess. 1:2, Phil. 1:3, Heb. 1:8-13, 1 Peter 1:3, 2 Peter 1:2, 1 John 1:3, 1: John 5:20, 2 John 1:3, 2 John 1:9, Rev. 3:12, 7:10, 21:22-23. Now do the basic math. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3? Now, ask honestly ask yourself, where in this world does 1 + 1 =3? The Spirit can keep going on with many more verses just like this. If you have the humility to be honest with yourself and what you just read, you will see the plain truth and the trinity doctrine is debunked. If the Holy Spirit was in fact God, why was he left out of all those verses? What happened to being co-equal? Little children truly believe in Santa Claus in all sincerity up until the day they discover the ugly truth of the matter, right? This isn’t any different. Why anyone would continue to believe in a lie after the truth has been revealed with the preponderance of overwhelming evidence? Ripping the band aid off hurts, doesn’t it? But, “the truth will set you free” (John 8:32). So now that you have read and seen the truth for yourself, do you still believe in the false trinity doctrine or did you fail the 5th grade test? If you failed it and still believe in the doctrines of men and not God, go to your Bible and read John 8:47. That is the harsh reality friend. Another biblical fact: Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Holy Spirit is God. Nowhere! Christ also said, “the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). Clearly, Christ by his very statement of fact said they are NOT co-equal! This totally scotches the doctrine of the trinity that claims the Father, Son and Spirit are co-equal. Who on earth would dare call Christ a liar? It’s sheer foolishness! How can anyone believe in the false doctrine of the trinity after reading the gospel of John? The gospel of John and other books of the Bible clearly testify that the doctrine of the triune god is a lie (John 1:1-3). The word “trinity” isn’t even written anywhere in the Bible, why would anyone believe it? The world foolishly says about the Spirit of God that he is “God the Spirit”. Christ tells us that “God IS spirit” (John 4:24). Do you see how foolish this is already? Why does God need a Spirit if he already IS spirit? It is the Spirit of God. The word “OF” being paramount as the Spirit belongs to God and Christ; the word “OF” denotes possession/ownership. They own it and they sent it (John 16:15) Don’t know who the Holy Spirit is? Simple, read John 1:51 and Hebrews 1:7, 1:14, and Psalm 104:4. There is our Helper in plain sight yet most are so blinded by the years of false teaching and lies they can’t see the truth. Angel of the Lord, Angel of God, Spirit of God, the Spirit of the Lord, the Spirit = Holy Spirit. Read Hebrews 1:7 and Psalm 104:4. Now go to the Book of Acts and read Acts 2:1-4 (The Coming of the Holy Spirit). This isn’t hard to figure out. Still can’t see? Paul cautioned us about false humility and the worship of angles (Col. 2:18). The Holy Spirit warned John twice in the Book of Revelation that he should not be worshiped (Rev. 19:10, 22:8-9). Let’s really simplify this: If a fallen angel is a demon/evil spirit that belongs to Satan (Rev. 12:7), then an angel of God can only be what? A Holy Spirit because he belongs to God who is holy (Lev. 11:44, 1 Peter 1:16). Think about it, if the Holy Spirit was a single 3rd person of the Godhead, how is it even possible we can we all have him? See how foolish this is already? Do I get the Holy Spirit today and borrow him to you tomorrow? Can you see how foolish this world’s wisdom is. The answer is found again in Matthew 18:10 for it is written: “Beware that you don't look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven THEIR ANGELS are always in the presence of my heavenly Father.” (Matt. 18:10). The words “their angels” (Holy Spirit) shows ownership. The Holy Spirit for each one of us was not sent until Christ came into his glory (John 7:39). Let the Bible explain itself, it's quite simple and straightforward. The teaching is very simple without having to twist scripture and believe in something that just isn't there like the word “trinity”. Biblical truth is solely based on the word of God (John 17:17) and the word trinity is not in it. It’s time to unlearn one of the greatest lies of so called “modern Christianity”. Believe in what Christ said and taught. Believe in what is actually and clearly written in the word of God and not in the invented mythology or eisegesis of men. Get this, if you are worshiping the pagan invented god known as the “trinity”, you will never, ever receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32) as you are breaking the 1st Commandment, a spiritual law of God’s coming kingdom (Rom. 7:14, Rev. 11:19) by creating your own god made up in the mythology and eisegesis of men. “that their hearts may be encouraged, being KNIT together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, BOTH of the FATHER AND OF CHRIST, IN WHOM are hidden ALL the treasures of WISDOM and KNOWLEDGE.” (Col. 2:2-3 NKJV). Whom has ALL the treasures of wisdom and knowledge as you just read? The Father and Christ. Again, how many God beings do you count? 2 or 3? Lay down your pride and what you think you know about God and the Bible and unlearn the lies. Repent and let God through the Holy Spirit teach you. Unless you become like a child, you will never enter the Kingdom of God. Forget what you think you know as the Lord has sent me to reveal the simplicity of his teaching in spirit and truth. Finally, let’s read Proverbs 30:4 together: “Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is HIS NAME, and what is HIS SON’S NAME, If you know? One more time, how many God beings do you count? 2 or 3? Still don’t believe it? Let’s continue reading the rest of it: “Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. DO NOT ADD TO HIS WORD, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.” (Prov. 30:5-6) FACT: The word “trinity” isn’t found anywhere in the Bible as it is “added” to His word. So now ask yourself, who is the liar? If today you hear his voice, harden not your heart! Repent for the Kingdom of God is near!
@@lcenteno262 Dude, you might as well get your own UA-cam channel and preach If you're going to leave a whole scroll of a comment that long! Are you kidding me? 📜📃🫨🤯
I'm sorry you've been deceived so badly. Where have you got this string of false teaching from? Please, just read the early Father's and you'll see no Christian believed what you are saying.
I don’t know if it’s intentional or by error however, Immanuel in Yeshayah 7:14 and el gibbowr in Yeshayah 9:6 absolutely DO NOT have the same meaning! I am praying you are intentionally misleading people. Shalom
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. We all know this is talking about Jesus and we all know there is One God. Jesus is not only called everlasting father in this text, He is called the Mighty God..
@trutub Matthew 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.” Isaiah 44:6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God. First verse is Jehovah speaking the following verse is Jesus speaking, both using the same title. Revelation 2:8 And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, ‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: Jesus calls Himself the I AM in John 8:58, referencing Exodus 3:14, Jesus forgives Sin, something only God can do. Receives Worship, Matt. 8:2, 9:18 John 9:38 Hebrews 1:6 and many other times , something only God should receive. calls Himself the bridegroom, a title used by Jehovah in the Old testament. Isaiah 61:10 and several other places, the parallels are too many to anything other than Jesus, the Holy Spirit and Jehovah are the one God
Yes my friend Jesus is called Mighty God and rightly so as the second most powerful being in the universe. BUT perhaps do some of your own research and look at the terms ‘Mighty God” and “Almighty God”. They are in fact two different words in the Hebrew. Almighty God is only ever ascribed to the God of Israel, YHWH. Never to Jesus. It’s not a contradiction at all to call Jesus a Mighty God totally accurate he is, he just isn’t Almighty God. I’d encourage you to explore and research this my friend.
@@Cafez27 it is applied to Jesus in Revelation, not to mention, The First and Last and the Alpha and Omega, titles Jehovah uses. Revelation 1:8 is speaking of Jesus, and He is called The Almighty. On the same hand, Jehovah is called Mighty God several times, in the Old testament, probably more than He is called Almighty a quick word search should confirm that..I have done plenty of research on this
@@kevinjackson2361 not quite right again do your research there are 4 people talking in revelation, Jehovah, Jesus, the angel sent by Jesus and John. You are making incorrect application of this I’m afraid
THE CONCEPT, THEORIE,IDEAS ARE ALL FROMS MATTHEW CHAPTER 3: VERSE 16- VERSE 17., AND MATTHEW CHAPTER 28: VERSE 19-20. AND DOXOLOGY OF APOSTLE IN HIS LETTERS TO THE GENTILES PEOPLE BELIEVERS. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE 3GODS 3PERSONS WAS BEGAN IN THE COUNCIL OF NICEA AND FORWARDS( CATHOLIC, THEN, THE LUTHERANS ( THE DAUGHTERS OF BABYLON CATHOLIC) , THEN, THE PROTESTANTS > THE METHODISTS, THEN, THE BRESBYTERIANS , THEN , THE DISCIPLES OF CHRIST, THEN, THE CHURCH OF CHRIST ( BEFORE POPULARLY KNOWN AS " CHURCH IN THE ORIENT " OTHERS WISE KNOWN AS " CHURCH IN THE EAST " ) , THEN , ASSEMBLY OF YAHWEH , THEN, CHURCH OF GOD, THEN, THE CHURCH OF THE LIVING GOD, THE, THE FOUR SQUARE CHRISTIAN CHURCH, ALL OF THESE ARE THE DAUGHTERS OF BABYLON SYSTEM RELIGIONS CATHOLIC BELIEF ( THE SO CALLED " THE HOLY TRINITY 3GODS 3PERSONS, THE TRIUNE 3GODS 3PERSONS, AND THE TRINITY 3GODS 3PERSONS +PLUS MARY JOSEPH ,THE SO CALLED " MARY THE MOTHER OF GOD DOCTRINE " STILL CATHOLIC BABYLONIAN SYSTEMS RELIGIONS BELIEF ABOUT THE TRINITY, TRIUNE FORMULA TEACHINGS. MAY THE GOOD LORD JESUS CHRIST OUR GOD AND SAVIOR AND REDEEMER AND SALVATION, GIVES US SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURES 🙏 SHALOM PEACE LOVE AND TRUE FAITH. GOD BLESS US ALL 🇵🇭 🙏 🇺🇸 SHALOM TO ISRAEL 🇮🇱 🙏 ❤
I agree with this pastor and would like to add an irrefutable point. 1 John 4: 1 - 3. John says that the person who confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is from God. Now if you obtain a list of names, attributes and offices of God, you will not find the name Christ or anointed one.
@@gregory7406 Nope. Acts 4:12; Rev. 19:16; Phil. 2:9. Jesus Christ. Every knee SHALL bow to that Name; of those in heaven AND on earth, and UNDER the earth.
@@gregory7406 Your ignorance is showing. "... God ... hath highly exalted Him, and given Him A NAME WHICH IS ABOVE EVERY NAME:" Phil. 2:9 Is YHWH a name, genius? Does the Bible declare that the Name of Jesus is ABOVE EVERY NAME? Move along, little one. YOU TOO shall bow!
When Jesus say : if you see me you see the Father .... he was not talking abut is physical appearance :) This man in the video lost control ofthe biblical reality , the Spirit in Jesus is God NOT THE FLESH.
@@michelhaineault6654 Yep.Jesus is Anointed ACTS10vs38 How God Anointed Jesus of Nazareth With the Holy Spirit and With Power, who went about Doing Good and Healing All who were oppressed by the devil, FOR GOD WAS WITH HIM. John3vs32 And what He Has Seen and Heard (Rev1vs2.9), that He Testifies; and NO ONE Receives His Testimony. 33 He Who Has Received His Testimony Has Xertified that God is True. 34 For He Whom God Has Sent Speaks the Words of God, for God does not Give the Spirit by measure. 35 The Father loves the Son, and has Given All Things Into His hand.(Matt28vs18) 36 He Who Believes in the Son Has Everlasting Life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
The trinity doctrine is just an invented, CONVENTIONAL doctrine. From a philosophical point of view it's a nonsensical theory, worthless. It's also directly contrary to the Jesus' clear words: indeed Jesus declares to be not almighty and to be just in the company of the Father, not with Father and Holy Spirit.
THE TRIUNE GODHEAD, THE TRINITY. The bible says Jesus is from ancient times, from of old, from everlasting, and from eternity. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH THE FATHER. It also tells us that he created everything that has ever been created, and nothing that has been created was created without him. All things are held together by him. We clearly know that in the beginning the father wasn't alone. In the book of Genesis, the Holy Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. We also know that when God created man, he was not alone because he said let US create man in our image. In Psalms 89:27 it says "I will also make him my firstborn, greatest of the kings of the earth." God the Father exalted Jesus while he was in the flesh. Philippians 2:5-6 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ who was God in his very nature did not consider using the fact that he was God to his advantage while he was in human form. But Jesus made himself nothing by taking on the role of a servant. We know that he is eternal and our creator. Not to mention, the bible clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is a person who knows the mind of God. The spirit of God has emotions, the Holy spirit teaches, testifies, guides, speaks, enlightens, strives, commands, intercedes, sends workers, comforts, and he also works. When dealing with Ananais, Peter told him that he had not lied to man, but he had lied to God because Ananais had lied to the Holy Spirit. The bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent when it says where can I go from your spirit. The Holy Spirit is known as He. The holy spirit was involved in the creation and HE is also known as another helper. "In Matthew 4:16-17 we see that the Father speaks out of heaven when Jesus is baptized - a clear distinction. We also read in John 17:1 that Jesus prayed to the Father, and he carefully made a distinction between the two in saying "Father... glorify your Son, that the Son may glorify You." In fact, 1 John 2:1 tells us that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father. It doesn't make sense to equate Jesus and the Father as the same person, as these verses would be rendered nonsense. John 14:20 again demonstrates the personhood of both the Son and Father when Jesus said "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." Since we realize that we are different persons than Jesus, this verse would argue that the Father is likewise distinct from the Son and not the same person. Also we see the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. In John 14:26 Jesus again makes this explicit where He teaches "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things." Previous to this Jesus identified the Spirit as "another helper" (John 14:6). That word "another" is key. We also saw the Spirit in the Matthew 4 passage above descend on Jesus as a dove. We know the Spirit is a person, because He has all the attributes of a person and not just "God's holy force" as some are wanting to believe. You cannot lie to an active force, nor can you grieve one (see Eph 4:30). Thus the Bible is clear in presenting each of the three members of the trinity as separate persons - each distinct - but each fully the one true God." THE FATHER IS GOD. THE SON IS GOD. THE HOLYSPIRIT IS GOD. NOT 3 GOD'S, BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD. THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE.
@@reynaldoperez7285 What you say is wrong. You are sure that all is wrong because its ULTIMATE CONCLUSION IS WRONG: the trinity! If the trinity were true, then Jesus would say "I am in a trinity with Father and Holy Spirit". It NEVER happens. On the contrary Jesus crystal clear states "I am with the Father". PERIOD. Repeated four gospels long!!! Where is the error in your reasoning? You don't understand WHAT WAS MEANT FOR "SPIRIT", namely the Holy Spirit is not a THIRD Person distinct from the Father. He is distinct from the Father in that He is a Spirit, but He is not a distinct PERSON: He is the SAME God, just in a different form. The Helper is not a third person (in fact he does not appear anywhere else in the gospels, NEVER with Father and Son to form a trinity!). He is just a “fictitious spirit" as here explained. Jesus states “I will come to you.”. But this of course won't happen in flesh and bones! It will happen that Jesus - who is in heaven, in another dimension - will simply SPEAK TO THE MINDS of the apostles. However, at that time people were not familiar with "remotely spoken words", or remote actions. For this reason the apostles would simply understand and witness that “the SPIRIT OF JESUS is inside them and is speaking to them,”. But in reality NO ONE, nothing will be inside the apostles, Jesus will be elsewhere speaking, in heaven. A similar thing happens with the Father: “the Spirit of [your] Father is speaking in you.” (in your mind). The Father is elsewhere - in another dimension - but is present as a Spirit (the Holy Spirit) inside the apostles to speak to them. Thus, according to the apostles the “Spirits of the Son and the Father” would be inside them, but the truth is that there is NOTHING inside them: the Son and the Father - who are AWAY, in other dimensions - are just speaking to their minds, that's all. The fact that NO THINKING Spirit is inside the apostles is confirmed by Jesus: the spoken words actually come from SOMEWHERE ELSE, they are just REPEATED “ for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, (from the Son, the Father...) that shall he speak .” Thus the Holy Spirit is DISTINCT from the Father, but when you talk to the Holy Spirit you exactly talk to the Father. This is why blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a very serious offense. Thus, no human relationship exists between Father and Holy Spirit because they are the same. Only the Father in the form of a spirit is here on earth and in heaven (see Jn.4:23,24). NOBODY has ever seen the Father IN PERSON (Jn. 1:18) the world did not know Him (Jn. 17:25) only the Son did it (i.e. just in the past, not any longer).
@@reynaldoperez7285 Your long comment is wrong. You are sure that all is wrong because its ULTIMATE CONCLUSION IS WRONG: the trinity! If the trinity were true, then Jesus would say "I am in a trinity with Father and Holy Spirit". It NEVER happens. On the contrary Jesus crystal clear states "I am with the Father". PERIOD. This means that NO FURTHER DIVINE PERSONS can exist. Repeated four gospels long!!! Where is the fatal error? You don't understand WHAT WAS MEANT FOR "SPIRIT", namely the Holy Spirit is not a THIRD Person distinct from the Father. He is distinct from the Father in that He is a Spirit, but He is not a distinct PERSON: He is the SAME God, just in a different form. The Helper is not a third person (in fact he does not appear anywhere else in the gospels, NEVER with Father and Son to form a trinity!). He is just a “fictitious spirit" as here explained. Jesus states “I will come to you.”. But this of course won't happen in flesh and bones! It will happen that Jesus - who is in heaven, in another dimension - will simply SPEAK TO THE MINDS of the apostles. However, at that time people were not familiar with "remotely spoken words", or remote actions. For this reason the apostles would simply understand and witness that “the SPIRIT OF JESUS is inside them and is speaking to them,”. But in reality NO ONE, nothing will be inside the apostles, Jesus will be elsewhere speaking, in heaven. A similar thing happens with the Father: “the Spirit of [your] Father is speaking in you.” (in your mind). The Father is elsewhere - in another dimension - but is present as a Spirit (the Holy Spirit) inside the apostles to speak to them. Thus, according to the apostles the “Spirits of the Son and the Father” would be inside them, but the truth is that there is NOTHING inside them: the Son and the Father - who are AWAY, in other dimensions - are just speaking to their minds, that's all. The fact that NO THINKING Spirit is inside the apostles is confirmed by Jesus: the spoken words actually come from SOMEWHERE ELSE, they are just REPEATED “ for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, (from the Son, the Father...) that shall he speak .” The Holy Spirit is thus DISTINCT from the Father, but when you talk to the Holy Spirit you exactly talk to the Father. Therefore no human relationship exists between Father and Holy Spirit: they are the same God in different forms. Jesus confirms that the FATHER IS A SPIRIT (see Jn. 4:23,24). He is either called "Holy Father" or "Holy Spirit" by Jesus, they are just EQUIVALENT names. This is why blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a very serious offense. Only the Father in the form of a spirit is here on earth and in heaven, NOBODY has ever seen the Father IN PERSON (Jn. 1:18) the world did not know Him (Jn. 17:25) only the Son did it (i.e. just in the past, not any longer).
Question if the 1 true God YHWH does not exist as 3 separate distint persons of 1 essence and nature equal and 1 in the same, then why did He say "let US make man in Our image and OUR likeness" (Genesis 1:26)? If Jesus is not God and only his son and a representation of the Father why do we worship Him as Christians? Wouldn't that be Idolatry? If the Holy Spirit is just his power and not a distinct person how can we grieve the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:30)? Also if the Holy Spirit is just God power how come is you blaspheme the Holy Spirit that is the unforgivable sin (Mathew 12:31-32)?
us refers to the two natures of Christ. in genesis we read YHWH rained fire and brimstone from YHWH, the distinction being between the visible fleshly manifestation of YHWH who met with Abraham and the invisible Spirit YHWH ( see john 4:24 God is Spirit ).. Us therefore refers to the two natures of YHWH not 2 distinct people.YHWH is not a different person from YHWH, yet YHWH rains FROM YHWH. There is certainly a distinction being made, but not that of people, but natures! If you read Luke 1 you will read that "He will be called the Son because the Spirit will cause the conception." Son therefore refers to the humanity of Christ. John 1 says the Word is God, John 4:24 God is Spirit, thus Christ is the Spirit manifested in the flesh. See Romans 8:9 which says it plainly, the Spirit of God = Spirit of Christ. So Christ is the Son according to his humanity, and Father / Holy Spirit according to his divine Spirit. Christ is fully man fully God. Note also Jesus said "destroy this temple and in three days i will raise it up again!" In acts we read " God raised Jesus" thus the "I" is a direct claim of deity,, God is Spirit thus it was the Spirit who raised Christ's flesh, and Christ refers to the Holy Spirit as "I." This is why the scriptures use Holy Spirit in us interchangeably with Christ in us. As nobody believes a jewish man is in them in a literal sense, we understand it is the Spirit of Christ who is the Holy Spirit in us! In genesis the Spirit is creating, in new testament we read all things were made through Christ, again because the Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit and thus the Holy Spirit in genesis creating is Christ creating ! The Word ( Christ ) became flesh = the Spirit manifested in the temple of man. Christ had 2 wills as a result of his two natures, the human will and the divine will. According to his humanity he willed to eat sleep and grew in wisdom, according to his divine will forgave sins, raised his own body, never grows hungry or tired and is omnipresent... This is why the humanity ( The Son ) was in submission to the Spirit, not 1 person inferior to another, but rather the human nature of Christ in communion and submission to the Spirit of Christ. Jesus said the Father was greater, the Spirit is eternal omnipresent all powerful, the humanity of Christ had a beginning, was not omnipresent, relied on the Spirit for power... In no way does this mean that Christ is not God, it is referring to the two natures of Christ in contrast to each other, not 2 distinct people.
Because the father and mother created children. 2000 years ago the father had his own son and his son is almost at the age of getting married. The father picked the bride. The Bible is the story of mankind and where we came from and how we should live. When a child gets hurt and needs comfort, who does he go to? Mom or dad?
@@roeltingzon758 except it does. 1 says the Word was God, then in John 4:24 that God is Spirit. Thus the Spirit became flesh. Spirit = nature 1, Flesh = nature 2. In Luke 1 we read he "will be called" the Son because the Spirit will cause the conception. The term Son refers to the humanity of Christ, not His divine Spirit, His humanity was begotten not His Spirit. Thus we see fully man fully God expressed in humanity + Spirit = 1 person.
@@JoshuaHults but actually the Jews never debated the true nature of Christ because they knew him to be only a man. Theres no confirmation from the scriptures that he was some God-Man or that he had a dual nature. Stating that Jesus is God casts doubt about his death whether if it was real or not...because if he was also God in the flesh then that could mean Jesus wasn't 100% dead...that he only pretended to suffer and then play dead for 3 days! That doesnt sound right or logical at all - Jesus then could have been deceiving people and his apostles. Imagine that he was merely putting on some passion play and just pretended to be dead.
Christian Theologist here, thought I'd weigh in. #1. God declares himself that you shall have no God's before him. #2. God identifies himself to Moses as "I AM". #3. Jesus identifies himself as "I AM". #4. Jesus is Baptized and God opens up the Heavens and audibly declares to everyone there "this is my son in whom I am deeply pleased". #5. Jesus rose Lazaruth from the dead. #6. Jesus declared "I am the truth, the way and the life, none come to the Father except through me". #7. Jesus prophesied his own cruxification AND resurrection 3 days later. #8. Jesus did infact RESSURECT 3 days after the cruxification. #9. Jesus declares that when he leaves us, that "the comforter" will come and be with us all, that it will be BETTER for us to have the comforter in our presence then himself as he were. #10. Jesus Commanded us to Baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Conclusion: God is the Father, Jesus is the Son of God and inherits all equal power and authority and lastly there IS a Holy Spirit or "comforter" that is given to us all and comes from God/Jesus.
The blind beggar (whose story is told only a few verses after Jesus says "I am") in John 9:9, also says "I am". For some reason, the Bible translators added the word 'he'' after what the blind man said, but they decided not to include it when Jesus said the exact same thing. The cursive/italic writing denotes that the word was not in the original text, so we can clearly see the translators had a trinitarian bias. I think we must also bear in mind that the New Testament was translated from the Greek and the Old Testament from the Hebrew. There are many scholars who agree that what God said in the OT was more likely to be translated to "I will be what I will be".
@@laura-loves-god Those "scholars" who translate εγω ειμι as "I will be" do not stand up to scrutiny. Just open your own Bible to John 8 and read the whole chapter. Any time you see "I am" is how they translate εγώ ειμί. Why they include things in italics is for clarity sake. Showing from experience, unless you've done translation work yourself you can't judge correctly whether it's bias or not. Otherwise any heretic will use the same argument against you. I'm not saying that translators won't have a bias, Jehovah's Witnesses Bible's are super biased. But Koine Greek can communicate much with less words, so care needs to be taken when scrutinizing a translation.
You need to read the Bible for what it says rather than to read into it Jesus said I am the messiah and NOT I am God. Moreover, Jesus said to her, do not cling to me for I have not ascended to the Father; but go tell my brothers and say to them, ‘ am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God,” John 20:17-18. The Trinity is a false Pagan doctrine nothing more than
Are you aware that .. Many Bible translators removed God's Holy name nearly 7000 times and replaced it with LORD. They even admit it. SEE the following quote .. " .. the distinctive Hebrew name for God - usually transliterated Jehovah, is in this translation represented by "LORD" -- Today's English Version Bible (preface) Jesus is NOT God.
@@maxprescott9371 Here's what the Bible says . . . 👇 1 KINGS 18:39 ""And all the people will see and fall upon their face, and say, Jehovah, he is God; Jehovah he is God."" -- Smith's Literal Translation
@maxprescott9371 No Sir, Many people in the Bible were named after God . . . 👇 Jehoadah Jehoaddan Jehoahaz Jehoash Jehohanan Jehoiada Jehoiakim Jehoiarib Jehonadab Jehonathan Jehoram Jehoshaphat Jehosheba Jehoshua Jehozabad Jehozadak * The Bible tells us just exactly who God is. 👇 PSALMS 83:18 "And they shall know that thou, thy name Jehovah alone, the Most High over all the earth." -- Smith's Literal Translation * Did you see that ? Jehovah ( ALONE ) is God. * That means NOBODY ELSE is God !!
@ The Old Testament is to be interpreted in light of the New Testament,,, and the NT teaches that JESUS is GOD, along with The Father and The Holy Spirit
There is a lot of talk here, what has nothing to do with the trinity. But Isa 9:6 and John 1:1-4+14 has to do with the trinity. Be careful, he is twisting the words, as every cult does (Jer 17:5). Yeshua is divine (John 8:24). The word is truth, as the Lord is the way, truth and life (John 14:6ff). The author denies that the word (logos) is a person, that is formed, not created (Isa 43:10), which is the only Savior. God dies for us, God has to become a human to do that, He comes from Heaven in Yeshua. The Father left Him (Ps 22), one is invisible, a Spirit and the other has a body of flesh, two separate beings. But one=echad God together with HIS Holy Spirit (Isa 48:16;John 8:16) have sent Me. The invisible God manifest to us in 3 visible persons, that is one YHVH (Gen 18:1+2; 19:24). Yeshua and the Father is dwelling in the believer (John 14:23) through the Holy Spirit. Yeshua hears prayers to the Father in His name and answers them, He is omnipresent (John 14:13). Yeshua was God, is and will be (Heb (1:6+8). All will bow and confess, that Yeshua is LORD (Isa 45:23; Phil 2:10+11). Compare Mk 1:3 with Isa 40:3, the same words.
Revelation 1:17. Jesus said: I am the First and the Last. Revelation 22: 13. I am Alpha and Omega, The First and the Last, The Beginning and the End. That is How God also Intrudced Himself in the Old testatment. your tag at 19:59- Jesus Said on John 8:48-59 " Before Abraham I was I AM. " Jesus was before the foundations of the earth. The bible said He was slain before the earth was formed.
Jesus is not Almighty God according to the Scriptures and no amount of abusing the text, as you are doing, will make it so. Jesus HAS a God according to Scripture (John 20:17, Rev. 3:12, Eph. 1:3, 17, 2 Cor. 11:31, 1 Pet. 1:3, etc.) who he calls "the only true God" (John 17:3) whom he prays to and submits to his will (John 17, Matt. 26:39). Jesus' God did miracles THROUGH Jesus (Acts 2:22) and MADE Jesus Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36). Jesus' God was WITH him (Acts 10:38) and IN him (2 Cor. 5:19). God is the head of Christ (1 Cor. 11:3) and Jesus is subordinate to him (1 Cor. 15:27). You lack context and understanding of the "proof texts" you mentioned. Read the entire Bible instead of memorizing passages that are stripped of context. "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." 1 Timothy 2:5
@@Willie_Wahzoo Jesus is God. He was killed because His claimed . Read your Bible again. He forgave sin. They then accused Him of blasphemy because only God can forgive Sin. Again, He said in His own words in Revelation. I’m the First and the Last, Alpha and Omega. I don’t know what context you need there. They Hated him even more As He claimed to be THE Son of God. And don’t insult me by saying I lack context and understanding. The Bible is pretty clear on this matter. And I have not touched on the Deity of the Holy Spirit.
We don't have any original writings of the NT, so the OP means something different. The longer reading of 1 John 5:7-8 is absent from the extant Greek MSS for ~1300 years. The longer reading of 1 John 5:7-8 is absent from the earliest extant ancient translation MSS.
@@maxprescott9371 [The verse is quoted as Scripture by Cipreon in 250 a.d. ] -- No, we don't know which segment of "And these three are one." Cyprian is quoting or alluding to in the Latin, since it occurs twice. He could have relied on a Latin copy that had the shorter reading of 1 John 5:7-8. Also, no one is telling you to toss your KJV, but I do encourage you to acquire a real 1611 Holy Bible a/k/a KJV replica edition, which includes the Apocrypha & cross references to/from the Canon, marginal notes, monthly Anglican devotional/liturgical calendars that also provide the Zodiac sun signs.
@ Hello and thank you for taking the time to share a comment :) What do you think of this conclusion ? ~ God revealed Himself to the Israelites using the Hebrew Scriptures. ~Then God revealed Himself to the ancient known world using the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, The Septuagint. ~ Then God used the Greek Septuagint to pave the way for His Greek New Testament after Our Saviour, The LORD Jesus Christ was revealed to the world. ~ Today, God is using the worlds universal language, English, to reveal Himself to the world, and the primary source, a standard, is the time honoured and tested King James Version ( revision of 1756 )
@ hello again, thanks for sharing….. Got the year wrong,, it was the 1769 Oxford revision I had in mind ,,, I know there have been numerous revisions of the 1611 authorized version,, which I do not own by the way, find the old, old English sometimes difficult.📖
The same way Jesus the Christ did not literally come down from heaven should be the same position you take for "the word became flesh and dwelt among us." seriously....where is the word among us now....or how is the word among us now? It's among us by dwelling IN each believer. So, my translation of 1:14 is; and the word came to humanity and dwelt in us....etc." The word never literally became Jesus.....that translation is absurd.
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The trinity was created by the catholic church because they were accused of worshipping 3 Gods. The Bible is so clear that Jesus is GODS son. The messiah. King of Kings.
@@Yenhal7 THE TRIUNE GODHEAD, THE TRINITY. The bible says Jesus is from ancient times, from of old, from everlasting, and from eternity. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH THE FATHER. It also tells us that he created everything that has ever been created, and nothing that has been created was created without him. All things are held together by him. We clearly know that in the beginning the father wasn't alone. In the book of Genesis, the Holy Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. We also know that when God created man, he was not alone because he said let US create man in our image. In Psalms 89:27 it says "I will also make him my firstborn, greatest of the kings of the earth." God the Father exalted Jesus while he was in the flesh. Philippians 2:5-6 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ who was God in his very nature did not consider using the fact that he was God to his advantage while he was in human form. But Jesus made himself nothing by taking on the role of a servant. We know that he is eternal and our creator. Not to mention, the bible clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is a person who knows the mind of God. The spirit of God has emotions, the Holy spirit teaches, testifies, guides, speaks, enlightens, strives, commands, intercedes, sends workers, comforts, and he also works. When dealing with Ananais, Peter told him that he had not lied to man, but he had lied to God because Ananais had lied to the Holy Spirit. The bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent when it says where can I go from your spirit. The Holy Spirit is known as He. The holy spirit was involved in the creation and HE is also known as another helper. "In Matthew 4:16-17 we see that the Father speaks out of heaven when Jesus is baptized - a clear distinction. We also read in John 17:1 that Jesus prayed to the Father, and he carefully made a distinction between the two in saying "Father... glorify your Son, that the Son may glorify You." In fact, 1 John 2:1 tells us that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father. It doesn't make sense to equate Jesus and the Father as the same person, as these verses would be rendered nonsense. John 14:20 again demonstrates the personhood of both the Son and Father when Jesus said "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." Since we realize that we are different persons than Jesus, this verse would argue that the Father is likewise distinct from the Son and not the same person. Also we see the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. In John 14:26 Jesus again makes this explicit where He teaches "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things." Previous to this Jesus identified the Spirit as "another helper" (John 14:6). That word "another" is key. We also saw the Spirit in the Matthew 4 passage above descend on Jesus as a dove. We know the Spirit is a person, because He has all the attributes of a person and not just "God's holy force" as some are wanting to believe. You cannot lie to an active force, nor can you grieve one (see Eph 4:30). Thus the Bible is clear in presenting each of the three members of the trinity as separate persons - each distinct - but each fully the one true God." THE FATHER IS GOD. THE SON IS GOD. THE HOLYSPIRIT IS GOD. NOT 3 GOD'S, BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD. THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE.
Mark 12.29 ¶And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Deu 6.4¶Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: 1Jhn 5.7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. They want to twist 1Jhn 5.7 into a trinity , but Makk 12.29 sets them straight. Peace
In Gen 1:26 when God says, 'let us make man in our image', he is likely speaking to the angels, because they stand in his presence (Lu 1:19, Job 1:6). Jesus was Emmanuel because his father worked in him and did the works. Ac 10:38 'God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; *for God was with him* .' So, God was with Israel by being with his son. And those who understood how Jesus was God's messenger doing God's will, could appreciate that God was with them, without having to believe that Jesus was actually God. In 1 Cor 10:4 it says they drank of the spiritual drink, of that rock, which was Christ. Which doesn't need to mean that Christ was then in existence. Jesus speaks about the living water in John 4, which is his teaching and that of believing in him (Jo 7:37,38). Those in Moses' day didn't have Jesus' teaching, neither was he there for them to believe in. But they did have the law which foreshadowed him, and God said that a prophet like Moses would he raise up in the future. So, for example, those who were aware would see Jesus continually being prophesied, in every offering, and in the work of the priests. Verse 9 has a similar idea where it says 'Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.' The issue referred to in the wilderness, was not that they were tempting Jesus, who wasn't even present, but that they said 'there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loathes this light bread' (Nu 21:5). They were counting God's provision as nothing and testing God to see if he would provide more, when he had already provided sufficient. And the point is, that Manna signified Jesus who would come in the future as the bread of life. In a similar way those in the 1st century, who held onto the law of Moses, were in effect saying that God's provision of Christ was not sufficient to give them life.
@@eddieyoung2104 you are missing many verses to receive yourself of this hogwash. Jesus was the the word on the beginning with His and was God. the spiritual rock led them through the wilderness read John 1 and 1 Corinthians 10 1-4. Jesus was sinless and they tried and killed him for blasphemy saying He was God. He can't be sinless if he lied. This means He was and is God
@@ianmonk6211 - Yes, I have read 1 Cor 10 and I quoted it, and explained its meaning. John 1 says the word was in the beginning, not Jesus. If the beginning refers to the creation, then God spoke his word, and it was created. By that same word he gave prophecy of his coming anointed one, and when Jesus was born, the word which God spoke about him, became a reality. Or in other words, it became flesh. The beginning could also refer to the beginning of the gospel where Gabriel spoke God's word to Mary, promising a son. And 9 months later that word became flesh. They killed him for blasphemy, but not because he said he was God. All four gospel accounts show it was because he claimed to be the son of God, that they condemned him. Lu 22:70,71: 'Then said they all, Art thou then the *Son of* God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am'. And they said, What need we any further witness? for we ourselves have heard of his own mouth'. Mt 26:63-65: 'And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, *the Son of* God. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy'. Mr 14:61-64: 'Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, *the Son of* the Blessed? And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses? Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death'. Jo 19:7 'The Jews answered him (Pilate), We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself *the Son of* God'.
@@ianmonk6211 - Apart from saying I am deceived, do you have any reason to contradict those four gospel passages I quoted? They all clearly show that Jesus was condemned because he admitted to being the son of God, and not because he claimed to be God.
@maxprescott9371 God's holy name, Jehovah, is in the New Testament 297 times in the - (Divine Name King James Bible). Here are some Examples . . . ACTS 2:21 " And it shall come to pass, that whosoever Shall call on the name of the LORD, (Jehovah Jol 2:31, 32) shall be saved." ACTS 2:25 " For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the LORD, (Jehovah Ps 16:8) always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved" 1 CORINTHIANS 1:31 " That according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the LORD (Jehovah Jer 9:24). 2 CORINTHIANS 6:18 " And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the LORD, (Jehovah Isa 43:3,6; Hos 1:10) Almighty." GALATIONS 3:6 " Even as Abraham believed God (Jehovah Gen 15:6), and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
Jehovah's witnesses have tenfold the amount of absurd and dangerous doctrines. The holy spirit is described in the bible as involved in creation, teaching, and a variety of other actions as an individual. The active force JW doctrine is total BS.
Elohim in Genesis is plural, you know that part in the beginning of the book when Elohim said "Let us make man in our image." Who was speaking and to whomwas being spoken to, consider Elohim is plural. Elohim does not invlude the angels. It really is plain.
You are so close to seeing the truth of Scripture. But to deny our Lord's pre-existence and divinity is pure blasphemy. Both are abundantly made clear in Scripture. Jesus is literally THE God (YHVH)? Absolutely not. But Christ makes it clear that He is a god who serves THE God, especially in John 10. In the Old Testament, ALL Sons of God ARE called the elohim (gods) by God Himself (Psalms 82). We are not monotheistic and we need to remove the thought that an "angel" is some kind of species in heaven. It's just a job description. All "angels" are Sons of God and are called gods by God. Jesus does not object to Thomas calling Jesus "my god" yet in John 17, Jesus calls the Father "My God." Proverbs 8 and Colossians makes it clear that Christ existed before creation and was used as the craftsman for creation. And Jude tells us that the "angel of the LORD" who has the name of God in Him in Exodus was Jesus!
There’s only one true God and it is the father. Jesus mention this name many times and he does have beginning. He was born of the father. He was begotten of the father thus he’s divine being he is not the god almighty, but he’s a son of God Almighty divine being who has been given all the authority and heaven and in on earth
I agree with you except for you seem to have Jesus at the same level of other angels or sons of God. He is not. He is the only begotten son of God, meaning that he wasn’t created but generated of the Father and has the same nature. Jesus is much more better than the angels for scripture says: “let all the angels of God worship him”.
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.( 's ) G2316 1Co 3:23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's. G2316.
In John 1:1 the word “theos” (god) appears two times. The first time when it refers to God it has the definite article “the” (ho theos). The second time when it refers to the Word it does not have a definite article. It is indefinite. This shows that God and the Word are not the same. That is why some Bible translators render the second part of the verse “and a god was the word” or “the word was divine.” Note also that John 1:1 says that "the Word was with God". Someone who is with another person is not the same as that other person.
The Trinity describes what is taught in the Old Testament and New Testament: Read it: Philippians 2:5-9 Hebrews 1:5-7 John 14:2 🚨Trinitarian believe in One God, Yahweh. 🚨 The word “Trinity” is a descriptive word describing what the Bible teaches in the Old and New Testament. Tertullian, an early Christian theologian from Carthage, is known to be the first to use the word “Trinity” to describe the Bible over a 100 years before the Council of Nicaea. 📖 Read the verses below: - Phil 2:5-9, teach Jesus is a part of the One God who is distinct God the Father. - Hebrew 1:5-12, teaches Jesus is not an Angel; and, God the Father tells us the Son is God. - John 14:26, The Spirit is God but is also distinct from God. That’s why the Father can send Him. - Revelations 22:13, Jesus is eternal, Jesus is the Alpha and Omega. This is Fact per Jesus. ✝️ The Trinity believes only in the One God Yahweh, who within is nature is Father, Son, and Spirit. Father, Son and Spirit together is who the One and Only God, Yahweh is.
Tertullian said that the son and Father were not the same God. That ends the T argument for the Trinity (modern-day golden calf) Who was Jesus Christ’s God ?? Who did Jesus seek a plan B from that night in the garden ? Who did Jesus call upon on the cross before death ??Jesus was more like Adam. Jesus was created from the flesh maybe the way Adam was created from the dust. Deuteronomy 32:39-One God and no other God with me. Deuteronomy 18:15-22, this is Jesus. One of Moses’ brothers. begotten -born. Jesus may have lived inside the heart of the Father from the beginning, but he is not the Word even in John 1:1
@@jameydog8 🛑 YOU ARE INCORRECT; TERTULLIAN BELIEVED AND TAUGHT THE TRINITY. 🚨 READ THE FACTS THE TRUTH ABOUT TERTULLIAN BELOW! Before the Council of Nicaea; the word Trinity had been used to describe what the Bible teaches. ⭐️ The first Church Father to use the term "Trinity" (Latin: "Trinitas") was Tertullian. He was an early Christian theologian from Carthage (modern-day Tunisia) who lived around 155- 240 AD. Tertullian is known for his contributions to early Christian theology and for being one of the first to articulate the concept of the Trinity in his work "Adversus Praxean," where he explained the relationship between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
@@jameydog8 Good points. Tertullian had an entirely different idea about his trinity than the current, modern definition. John 17.3 comes to mind. Christ is talking to his God, and saying that He -- the Father -- is the "only True God." This destroys the Trinity doctrine, but clever Satan has ways to make pretzels out of any straightforward logic. People bowing down to the Father of Lies, thinking that all they see are the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost -- a False God by the definitions of Christ and Deuteronomy. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
🚨Jesus is God! If you think otherwise, the Bible disagrees with you. 📖 Read the Scriptures below in the KJV, but for more clarity read the AMPC. 1. Phil 2:5-8, Teaches Jesus is God and He is not the Father; but Jesus is God. 2. Rev 22:12-13, Jesus claims to be God identifying Himself the as the Father in Rev 1:8 as the Alpha and Omega. 3. Also in the Tanakh: Is 48:16-17, it’s Jesus who is sent by the Father and the Spirit. 4. Zech 12:10, It is Jesus who was pierced. 5. Is 53, Jesus fulfilled the prophecy. 6. Hebrew 1, The Father, teaches us Jesus is not an Angel and Jesus is God. And The Father confirms Jesus is God by Name. 💡The Bible doesn’t contradict Itself, you have to learn complete context for Truth. 🚨Bible Fact: The Father is God; Jesus is God, The Holy Spirit is God; and They are The One Almighty Yahweh.
@@MrLeAnthony Thank you, LeAnthony. Philippians 2:5-8 does not say Jesus is God. It says, "he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped." We can all be in the form of God if we follow God's commandments. And because Jesus was in perfect harmony with God, he was the first amongst us to be in the form of God. You are confusing harmony with identity; they are NOT the same thing. But you miss the part where it says "did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped." What does this mean? I'm sure you could come up with an interpretation to match your doctrine, but there is also an interpretation which means that even Christ could not fathom being equal with God Almighty -- the one he served. Moreover, you miss the even bigger context in verse 9: "Therefore God has highly exalted him." God exalted someone who was NOT God, but deserved to be exalted. This means that Jesus Christ had NOT been exalted before God decided to exalt him. And unexalted, Jesus was NOT God. Does exaltation make Jesus into God? No, there is only one God, and Jesus is not it. Your reference to Revelation is also misguided. Alpha and Omega applies to all of us when we follow God's commandments. And since Jesus is in harmony with God, these are Christ's commandments, too. Think long and hard about what other names apply to Jesus. Within those you will find clues to something far closer to truth. What are ALL the names given to Jesus Christ? Every verse which CAN be interpreted to mean "Jesus is God," can ALSO be interpreted to mean "Jesus is NOT God." The basis for this belief is thus weak, at best. Now, consider, "And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent" (John 17:3, ESV). Jesus praying to his God -- the only True God -- the one who sent Jesus to Earth. Forcing this verse to mean "Jesus is God" is not at all logical. And mangling logic to force it to mean this is the work of Confusion,... and you must know who that is. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
Now remember scripture says to give an answer for your hope or expectation in Messiah, read it in context, it does not say for your religious beliefs. It literally tells you whenever asked. Because it tells you not to argue Torah, that is the instructions the guidance the right rulings and the laws, as this creates division, and there are 145,000 different divisions/factions of Christianity, and the Father says he's going to destroy them all because he hates divisions/factions.
@@MarvelNot The Word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, but the context makes it clear, that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God, but three different persons. Look at the council of Nicae in 325 AD. That topic was settled once and for all in the Christian Church.
@sharegreats2157 Try a book by Richard Rubenstein "When Jesus Became God" for more on the Council of Nicaea and early Christology. He is Jewish and a professor of conflict resolution with no dog in this fight and no preconceived doctrines to adhere to. The truth will set you free, and the opposite is equally as true a lie will keep you in bondage. Shalom
@@garyp.9073 Mr Rubenstein is a Jew. That says it all. Christians should never allow a Jew to explain who Jesus Christ is or what the New Testament is about. Jews don't believe in Jesus. That says it all, understood?
I didn't want to commend on this post because most of these people just want views and likes but because i have comment let me point out somethings 1) people who don't read the KJV are the ones who normally opposse the truth , they have bibles which miss some verse like 1 John 5:7 the basic verse to prove the trinity 2) we have a reference in the bible where God the Father refers to Jesus Christ as creator of the universe (Psalm 102:25-27) see Hebrews 1:5-14 3) we have also places where the Holy Spirit is refered to as the LORD forexample Hebrews 10:15-17 see Jeremiah 31:31-33 4) we also have a reference of God having blood Acts 20:28 of course we know God is Spirit (John 4:24) so how come he has blood? 5) the Israel shema Deut 6:4 [Listen O Isreal the LORD our God is one LORD]
I don't agree with all your viewpoints, but I appreciate what you're saying about the Trinity and It's nice to hear about people who can break out of the - blind leading the blind - trap that so many Christians fall into. The adversary loves nothing more that to get most Christians to believe lies because they are just willing to go along with the crowd.
"what is to be of his followers who synagogue on shabbat then congregate the 1st day of the week to eat the flesh & drink the blood of their GOD, those cannibals." Oldest joke perpetrated against his believers by first generation skeptic/deniers i.e. Seutonius etc. - circa 2,000 years ago
@maxprescott9371 Straight from the NT. God's holy name, Jehovah, is in the New Testament 297 times in the (Divine Name King James Bible). 👇 ACTS 2:21 " And it shall come to pass, that whosoever Shall call on the name of the LORD, (Jehovah Jol 2:31, 32) shall be saved." ACTS 2:25 " For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the LORD, (Jehovah Ps 16:8) always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved" 1 CORINTHIANS 1:31 " That according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the LORD (Jehovah Jer 9:24). 2 CORINTHIANS 6:18 " And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the LORD, (Jehovah Isa 43:3,6; Hos 1:10) Almighty." GALATIONS 3:6 " Even as Abraham believed God (Jehovah Gen 15:6), and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
There is only one God both body and Spirit Jesus was the Body and the invisible Father is the Spirit that dwells in Jesus Christ. We read this in, Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Also in, 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Another Scripture is in, Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. Whatever the Son asks He gets,, or there would not be any creation. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:3 All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made. Jsus is the body and the invisible Father is the Spirit.
If Jesus was just a vessel that was possessed by God’s spirit, why did Jesus have a will of his own and prayed to God not to go to be torture and killed on the cross? If he was just a vessel that God was using why would he fight against God’s will?
@@Backswell When Jesus died on the Cross the nature of the flesh that caused Him to pray, eat, sleep, and use the bathroom, disappeared and he walked out of the Grave as the firt born from the dead, as the High Priest of God after the Order of Melchizedek. At his death he gave up the kingdom to God that the Spirit of God should be all in all. The Father is manifested as and through Jesus Christ as His own body and identity. Daniel saw Him in the 10th chapter of Daniel and John saw him in Revelations the first chapter as the visible form of God the Almighty the first and the last. Paul says that the body is not made up of one member and so is the body of Christ. We are members of the body of Christ because we have all drunk of the same Spirit. The body of God is a thousand times ten thousands of rusurrected saints. Instead of saying that God is 2 or 3 persons he is a number of persons that cannot be counted for multitude. The thing that made Jesus the Christ was that God as a Spirit was in Him. A person cannot be in another person, to have that doctrine is what John called Antichrist.
@@Backswell at the death of Jesus on the cross the nature of the flesh perished that caused Jesus to pray, eat, and sleep. He came out of the grave as the firstborn of the dead and a High Priest of God after the order of Melchizedek, He gave up the Kingdom to God by his death that God might be all in all. The father has the identity of Christ as His own identity. Daniel saw Him in Daniel the tenth chapter and John saw Him in Revelations the first Chapter as God almighty the first and the last. Instead of God being 2 or 3 persons He is a number of persons that no man can number, out of the resurrection, beginning with 144,000 Jews the firstfruits unto God. Paul says that the body is not one member but many members and so is Christ. We are members of the Body of Christ because we all have drunk of the same Spirit. To say that God's Spirit is a person is not common sense because a person cannot get inside another person. The thing that makes Jesus the Christ is the fact that God was in Him, if God is a person separate form Him then Jesus cannot be the Christ. This is what John called Antichrist doctrine. Hebrews says that Jesus is the express image of His Person. I take it as Christ is the express image of God's own idea of His person. Another way to look at it is that the word person in the original Greek can also be expanded to mean God's Essence.
Find 1 John 1 if you want to understand John 1 better. I don't think anyone has to fully understand these two chapters concerning God and His Son, because trinitarians don't have to lead the conversation to all definite answers. But even this pastor did not reference 1 John 1 which is the most John wrote about this John 1 gospel passage. You have to study more than just one or two verses in John 1 though. Whatever you read and comprehend, then plug in your conclusion of what you think the Word means, then read John 1 with that conclusion as a substitute. From there on, you will see how foolish it sounds if you are in error.
So much in the Bible tells us that we are connected to Spirit from the very beginning. Numbers 14.18 is qualified by Ezekiel 18.18-24. Matthew 17:12-13 tells us that Elijah had returned as John the Baptist. *_SPIRIT is far more important that the Body!_* Even Christ's disciples knew of reincarnation and the confusion within Judaism regarding it, as we saw in John 9:1-2. Some statements by Christ are greatly clarified by the spiritual nature of man, ignoring the body and its ego; for example, Matthew 26:52. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
huh? this needs to stop. like yesterday.. please read. I've never heard of a larger group of people gathered for One cause in unity be so divided on Jesus Christ, on doctrines and other things concerning scripture or Jesus as i have the Christian church. {{**What has Wheat to do with tares**}} We are all shades of Wheat or shades of chaff. forget color, forget religion, forget science, put away strifes or offenses and keep a clear conscious in Christ our Lord.. those that dislike or disbelieve Jesus are just that, dissenters or deceived and nothing more. they are zero threat to the Kingdom of God. Which is You. Jesus Christ within you. Some of us were eating from satans table too while proclaiming our holier-than-thou status to Gods creations that we perceived as sinners who needed punishments or judgements or calling-out. they need none of that. they need love, to see what love looks like.... .... to see forgiveness come from the people that claim to love Jesus Christ for real.... .... and not just by what they say but how we act. {{ Often those that call themseves brother or sister is the very person you end up being persecuted by }} Why? Sneaky Snake syndrome. Jesus warned us about the brood of vipers as the Pharisees "leaven of doctrine woven into the message of Love via Jesus". It is a Spirit of Duality. One foot in, one foot out. Here is what was read or heard come from the whole church these last 5 years: (it's shameful): [did i participate? yes i did] Jesus says we are almost all guilty of this and that we should hang the forehead low to the ground.... .... and cease wearing a proud scarf of righteousness and piety. Here is The CHURCH's own testimony of itself: he did this.. she said that.. this pastor don't know what they are talking about.. this one is deceived.. she ain't none of a prophet.. This church is bad.. when does service end.. man parking sucks.. the food is horrible.. i can't live like this.. my anxiety.. my medication.. my headache.. my problems.. my my my.. where is Jesus in your life? this service was bad.. does this guy even know scripture.. and so much more that it would take up an entire book. instead of love is gossip. forgive not they say.. .. and clap their hands as they walk away as if they did nothing wrong. I am not exempted for i was just as guilty. complicit. silent. cowardly by not speaking up before. it needs to change and quick. Jesus is returning and we are simply not as ready as we think we are. Time is very short it seems. Time for some to go. Time for some to stay. Time for a seasonal change as leaves change quickly before their time, i quote a prophet of God, i believe him to be, a John the Baptist amongst men and i do not care how much he disagrees with that i hold to be truth, that he was sent before the Messiah to prepare others of the Way to come or *The Time* of things/events/places/miracles, .. i digress.. Time is indeed short
@@stevenniesielowski I am sorry but I believe God is quite able to preserve His word as He wanted us to read it. Why would the God that created the universe and all in it allow His word to be distorted to the masses He is intentioned to save? Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, The ESV has it also and it is a very well researched version of the bible. I will stick to believing God has preserved His word for His people. Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Peace, PTT
@@stevenniesielowski Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: There are two of three of the trinity beyond doubt. So do you doubt the Holy Spirit? Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: Peace, PTT
@@stevenniesielowski I encourage you to believe that the God who created the whole universe and everything in it can surely keep His Word in tact. You doubt God could keep His own instruction manual from being corrupted? Seems you not only disbelieve scripture as written but disbelieve that God could and did preserve His words. Peace, PTT
@@pretribtruth Yes I reject western Christianity that is Greco-Roman Christianity! You do not understand that the doctrine that you hold many and I say many were killed because they would not believe in this lie of false Christianity! From Justinian to Pope Gregory IX Just a few examples of men that made decrees of persecution to those who would not believe in this lie of Trinity! you've Made it clear that you do not know nor understand early church history You are the product of Greco-Roman Christianity! You are of the seed of Nicaea and I know you don't understand what I mean by that You could though if you truly seek for TRUTH! You are of as well What was warned in Jude v4 and 2 Peter ch 2 Again Ephesians ch1 17-18 is my prayer for you
As soon as you say 'We, Us, They, Them, Their, They', when referring to the trinity God, you have actually indicated that you believe not in a singular Person God, but a God that is plural Persons. Plural Persons being acknowledged as God is polytheism.
Why does God the Father call Jesus GOD. New International Version But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. Berean Standard Bible And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. King James Bible I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, (THE Almighty) King James Bible (I am he that liveth, and was dead;) and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. King James Bible Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. King James Bible He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. King James Bible And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. JESUS IS THE ALMIGHTY. ALL THE PROPHECIES EVER SINCE THE BOOK OF GENESIS HAVE BEEN FULFILLED. The bible says that the word became a man. (FLESH) New International Version Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, (but a body you prepared for me;) In other words before Jesus took on human nature, ( flesh). What was he? John 1:14 = GOD became man. HE WAS GOD, ONE MEMBER OF THE TRIUNE GODHEAD. BECAUSE GOD EXISTS IN 3 FATHER, SON, AND HOLYSPIRIT. So before Jesus took on flesh HE was one with THE FATHER. Sharing the glory with THE FATHER , SELF EXISTING WITH THE FATHER IN TOTAL HARMONY, AND IN PERFECT UNION. THE bible says THE WORD took on the form of a servant . New International Version philippians 2:7 rather, HE made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. In order to take on the role of a servant, HE could not have been a servant. JESUS was not a servant until HE took On flesh, HE existed before HE took on flesh, but he wasn't a servant.HE IS God just Like the FATHER and just like the HOLYSPIRIT JESUS said if you don't believe me, believe the works the miracles THAT I DONE. New International Version john 10:38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the FATHER is in me, and I in the FATHER.” It is very clear that Jesus was doing the things, That only God can do. If doing the things that only God can do Is not good enough for someone to believe, they must be blind. What more can you possibly want HE lived out a life greater than anything written can explain. He lived a sinless and perfect life. New International Version 2 corinthians 5:21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. No one on earth has ever done the works that he has done. He done it all ! NO ONE ELSE HAS EVER DONE ANYTHING CLOSE TO WHAT HE HAS DONE. HE LIVED THE LIFE THAT ONLY GOD COULD LIVE. HE DONE THE THINGS THAT ONLY GOD CAN DO. HE FORGIVES SINS. HE GIVES LIFE. HE IS THE SAVIOR. HE GAVE SIGHT TO THE BLIND. HE HEALED THE SICK HE WALKED ON WATER. HE CALMED THE STORM. HE CHANGED PEOPLE FROM THE INSIDE. HE SHINED LIGHT INTO THE DARKNESS. HE RAISED THE DEAD, HE RAISED HIMSELF FROM THE GRAVE, CONQUERING DEATH. HE SAID ALL THAT BELONGS TO THE FATHER IS MINE. WHO CAN MAKE SUCH A STATEMENT. THE LIST GOES ON. HE SAID IN JOHN 8:24 King James Bible I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.
@@rasgwandumikaisi7489 JESUS IS GOD ISSAIAH 42:8 New Living Translation “I am the LORD; that is my name! ( I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY TO ANYONE ELSE,) nor share my praise with carved idols. New International Version Matthew 16:27 (For the Son of Man IS GOING TO COME IN HIS FATHER ’s GLORY ) with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done. JESUS AND THE FATHER SHARE THE SAME GLORY. TOP 2 VERSES ◄ John 17:5 ► New International Version And now, (Father, glorify me in your presence WITH THE GLORY I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN.) ISSAIAH 43:10 New International Version “You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and my servant whom I have chosen, (SO THAT YOU MAY KNOW AND BELIEVE ME AND UNDERSTAND THAT I AM HE.) BEFORE ME no god was formed, nor will there be one AFTER ME. THERE IS ONLY 1 GOD, THE TRIUNE GOD, THE, FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. King James Bible acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that (THE GODHEAD) is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. ◄ John 8:24 ► New International Version I told you that you would die in your sins; (IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT I AM HE,) you will indeed die in your sins.”(these are the words of JESUS.) BOTH JESUS AND THE FATHER SAY (I AM HE) < Issiah 43:11 > New International Version I, even I, am the LORD, and (APART FROM ME THERE IS NO SAVIOR.) ◄ Matthew 1:21 ► New International Version She will give birth to a son, (and you are to give him the name Jesus, because (HE WILL SAVE )his people from their sins.”) JESUS IS THE SAVIOR. ◄ John 16:15 ► New International Version All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.” WOW, EVERYTHING THAT THE FATHER HAS BELONGS TO CHRIST. EVERYTHING. ◄ Acts 20:28 ► NEW KING JAMES Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed (THE CHURCH OF GOD, WHICH HE HATH PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD.) HOW DID GOD PURCHASE THE CHURCH WITH HIS OWN BLOOD? Berean Standard Bible Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for your souls upon the altar; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul. ◄ Hebrews 10:8 ► New International Version First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them"-(THOUGH THEY WERE OFFERED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW.) GOD DOESN'T WANT YOUR WORKS EVEN IF THEY ARE OFFERED ACCORDING TO THE LAW. ◄ John 6:29 ► New International Version Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” ◄ John 8:24 ► New International Version I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.” ◄ Hebrews 10:5 ► New International Version Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, (BUT A BODY YOU PREPARED FOR ME; ) GOD MADE A BODY FOR JESUS. THE WORD WHO IS GOD. JOHN 1:1 New International Version In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. GOD THE WORD TOOK ON FLESH. ◄ John 1:14 ► New International Version (THE WORD BECAME FLESH) and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. philippians 2:6-7 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. HE TOOK ON THE FORM OF A SERVANT MEANS HE WAS NOT A SERVANT BEFORE HE TOOK ON FLESH. JUST THINK ABOUT IT, HE TOOK ON THE FORM OF A SERVANT. HOW CAN SOMEONE TAKE ON A ROLE OF WHAT HE SHOULD ALREADY BE. New Living Translation JESUS GAVE HIS LIFE FOR OUR SINS, JUST AS GOD OUR FATHER PLANNED, in order to rescue us from this evil world in which we live. ◄ John 10:18 ► New International Version NO ONE TAKES IT FROM ME, -(HIS LIFE)- (BUT I LAY IT DOWN OF MY OWN ACCORD.) I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.” HOSEA 6:6 FOR I DESIRE STEADFAST LOVE and not sacrifice, THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD rather than burnt offerings. WOW THE ONLY THING GOD REALLY WANTS FROM US IS TO KNOW HIM, AND LOVE HIM AND LOVE OTHERS. King James bible ecclesiastes 3:17 I said in mine heart,(GOD SHALL JUDGE) the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work. Ecclesiastes 12:14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil. Acts 17:31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead. King James Version ISSAIAH 32:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us Psalm 100:3 Know that the Lord Himself is God; It is He who has made us, and not we ourselves; We are His people and the sheep of His pasture. Isaiah 66:16 For the Lord will execute judgment by fire And by His sword on all flesh, And those slain by the Lord will be many. James 4:12 (There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; ) but who are you who judge your neighbor? ◄ Matthew 10:28 ► King James Bible And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. ◄ Revelation 1:8 ► New International Version (“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says THE LORD GOD,) “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” ◄ Hebrews 1:8 ► New International Version BUT ABOUT THE SON HE SAYS, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. JESUS DIDN'T HAVE TO SAY HE WAS GOD, BECAUSE THE FATHER SAID IT, AND WHAT THE FATHER SAYS IS TRUE. JOHN 8 17-18 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true. I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.” ◄ John 14:1 ► New International Version “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. King James Bible We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. ◄ Romans 7:6 ► New International Version But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that WE SERVE IN THE NEW WAY OF THE SPIRIT, and not in the old way of the written code. Zechariah 12:10 ESV“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, ⛑️ SO THAT, WHEN THEY LOOK ON ME, ON HIM WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED, 🪖 they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn. English Standard Version MALICHI 3:1 “Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the LORD of hosts. OK, MALACHI 3:1 SAYS I SEND MY MESSENGER. WHO WAS THE MESSENGER? ANSWER: JOHN THE BAPTIST. This is prophecy, English Standard Version ISSAIAH 40:3 A voice cries: "In the wilderness prepare the way of the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway ( for our God ) PROPHESY FULLFILLED. English Standard Version JOHN 1:19 (And this is the testimony of John,) when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” English Standard Version john 1:23 He said, “I am the voice of one crying out in the wilderness, (‘Make straight the way of the Lord,’ )as the prophet Isaiah said.” AND THE LORD WHOM YOU SEEK WILL COME TO( HIS )TEMPLE. SOLOMON BUILT THE TEMPLE FOR GOD. THE MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT IN WHOM YOU DELIGHT. JEREMIAH 31 31-33 JESUS IS THE MESSENGER OF THE NEW COVENANT. BY HIS BLOOD. 1 CORINTHIANS 11:25 MATTHEW 26:27-28 LUKE 22:20 THE TRIUNE GOD OF ISREAL. 🙌 🙏
at the death of Jesus on the cross the nature of the flesh perished that caused Jesus to pray, eat, and sleep. He came out of the grave as the firstborn of the dead and a High Priest of God after the order of Melchizedek, He gave up the Kingdom to God by his death that God might be all in all. The father has the identity of Christ as His own identity. Daniel saw Him in Daniel the tenth chapter and John saw Him in Revelations the first Chapter as God almighty the first and the last. Instead of God being 2 or 3 persons He is a number of persons that no man can number, out of the resurrection, beginning with 144,000 Jews the firstfruits unto God. Paul says that the body is not one member but many members and so is Christ. We are members of the Body of Christ because we all have drunk of the same Spirit. To say that God's Spirit is a person is not common sense because a person cannot get inside another person. The thing that makes Jesus the Christ is the fact that God was in Him, if God is a person separate form Him then Jesus cannot be the Christ. This is what John called Antichrist doctrine. Hebrews says that Jesus is the express image of His Person. I take it as Christ is the express image of God's own idea of His person. Another way to look at it is that the word person in the original Greek can also be expanded to mean God's Essence.
You interpret the Bible. We do too. You say it debunks, the Trinity, we are convinced of it. Oneness, Trinitarians,.Unitarians all claim the Early Christians believed their doctrine but only the TRINITY has supporting evidence from the writings of Christians living in the first 2 centuries. For over 1,000 years, only the TRINITY was believed or taught by Christians (Acts 5 : 38 and 39). All of the others were not unless they hid their light under a bushel and were not the light of the world. JESUS prophesied the church would shine it's light for all to see and they would teach the Truth. The church that fulfilled the prophesy was Trinitarian (Mathew 5 : 14 through 16 and John 14 : 16 and 15 : 26).
Dont be hasty, let me explain Genisis 1:26. Man is the image and likeness of the Father and the Son. Man was created as a plularity of persons yet one in kind. Woman came out of Mans flesh and bone. Mans flesh and bone, their substance, represents Gods substance, the Spirit. So God purposely created Eve out of Adams substance, his flesh, to demonstrate how the Son came out of Gods substance, the Spirit. Thus man is the likeness and image of how the Son of God was born out of Gods body that is Spirit. This is why Jesus claimed, "I and my Father are one." Just as Adam and Eve are one in substance, flesh, so the Father and the Son are one in substance, the Spirit. Though Adam and Eve are one in substance they are two separate individual persons John 16:27 -28 Jesus said" My Father loves you because you love me and believe I came out of the Father and He sent me. I came out of the Father and came into the world, now I leave the world and return to the Father." Eve came out of Adam. The Son came out of the Father.
Jesus did physically come down from heaven. This pastor is telling lies too. He said the Son of Man came 'down' from heaven. Being from God and from heaven could be different in context, but heaven is clearly a place, not a person. That keeps people from fumbling the context.
John 1:2 says “He was in the beginning with God” ummm. Logos or words (speech) is a he? John clearly used this title in reference to Jesus. John 1:14 says he BECAME flesh. The Word is already called “The Word” before his descension down to Earth. John gave Jesus the title of “The Word”.
John 10:30 I and (my) Father are one. Yeshua told the Jews, why it is so. But they did not believe Him, they crucified Him, because of blasphemy, He made Himself equal with God, they believed that He was human alone. So do many Christians., that do not believe, who He is (John 8:24). They need a revelation from the Father, as Peter got. Yeshua gives life eternal. No human can do that. He forgives sin (Exo23:21; 1.Cor 10:9). The name of God is in Him. Paul said that the angel of the LORD is Christ, and we have not to test Christ, what many did and still do. The angel of the LORD brought Israel out of Egypt (Judges 1:2). He gave His covenant to Israel (Acts 7), and made also the new covenant (Jer 31:31). He is the One that rises the dead and has everything made, and without Him is nothing made. He is formed as EL, the single God with a human body (Isa 43:10+11) to die for our sins (Isa53 ) in the womb of Mary, a virgin, the Son of Man and the Son of God, who is Imanu El, God with us (Isa 7:14). The oneness is through Yeshua, not without Him (John 14:6ff: 1.John 2:22+23). We are one with the Lord in Haeven, because we are in Yeshua, who is one with the LORD. No human can say, what belongs to the Father, the Son has also, all power and glory. We die in our sin, if we have not the right faith, as Israel had not in the wilderness (John 8:24).
There is only one (1) God because there is only one (1) Father, Who alone is uncaused, 'a se', sole principle, sole source, monarchia, Who's always had His Word/Son & Spirit, Both having subsistence & possessing the Father's essence/ousia, so are predicated 'God'; i.e., divine.
*_At 20m 00s, interesting take on John 3.13._* BUT CONSIDER THIS: Christ DID come down from Heaven, and he did *_Become the First_* to have ascended up to Heaven. You are thinking ONLY in terms of the physical body. *_FACT:_* God cares little for these physical, human bodies we wear. Genesis 6-9 proved that. *_FACT:_* God created man *_Twice!_* First, He created man in His own image (spirit, Genesis 1.26), and second, He created man from the dust of the ground (chemicals; Genesis 2.7). *_FACT:_* God will not always dwell with the physical man, for he is also spirit (Genesis 6.3). *_FACT:_* God cares more for that which looks like Him, and not that which is made of "dust" (John 3.6; and John 3, entire chapter). 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
"Christianity did not destroy paganism; it adopted it."
this is true in many cases - It was the Roman, Constantine that was chiefest in adopting such practices, and then the Roman Catholic church...very sad.
@@Christadelphians
This led to Christian crusades which is why most of South America, Spain, Portugal etc. Are worshipping the idol of Mary for their salvation.
Muslims pray towards and kiss a black stone. Guess where that came from? Pagans.
To jesusisa Muslim; correction, the Roman catholic church adopted paganism and mixed it with Christianity. The catholic church is not true Christianity. To unite his kingdom, Constantine united the pagans and Christians by changing out the mythological gods with multiple saints. This satisfied both sides. The pagans got 3 persons , the Christians got ' one true god'. Roman catholicism then went on to kill 68 million Christians over several centuries who opposed this doctrine. The so called 'HOLY INQUISITION '. True Christians were labeled 'heretics'. That was a death sentence . They also sent out a highly trained Jesuit priest named Mohammed and he went Rogue and came up with Islam. They lost control over him. The jesuits were trained in destabilization and conquest of countries. God allowed the rise of Islam to counter the spread of Roman catholicism. After all Christians were not warlike . They have the true nature of God. Lambs, doves, etc. GOD IS IN CONTROL.
RUBBISH ir just shows you have a little understanding of christianity and even less of the ISLAM
Ask 500 Christians about the Trinity and you will get 500 different explanations.
Ask a Muslim and they will cite 5:72-75 which calls the Trinity Allah, Jesus and Mary and this is also incorrect. So tack Allah in that group who doesn't understand the Trinity.
@@andys3035
Mary is not mentioned in Qur'an 5:72-75. Please educate yourself.
@@JesusisaMuslim 73- They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.
What are you talking about? Lol
@@andys3035
You seem brainwashed. It just says the son of Mary. Absolutely nowhere does it mention Mary as trinity. Many places in Islamic teachings ot says Jesus the son of Mary.
@@JesusisaMuslim are you serious? I got to do the homework for you? Man, I am more Muslim than you.
The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. **They both used to eat food.** Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.
If you go back to verse 73 it talks about Allah not being a 3rd of 3. Who are the other 2/3 in this context? Mary and Jesus! Where it mentions they are human and ate food drives home this view because the Quran is saying they aren't "gods" and partners with Allah. Surah 5:116 drives home this point even more, same chapter. Use your brain!
Thank you so much Jehova, for bringing this good preacher to the world. From Denmark❤
Jesus said it as simple as it gets in John 17…”this is eternal life, that they may know You Father, the only true God; and Jesus Christ for whom You sent.”
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 😊
That is not what Scripture says. You have inserted the word 'Father'. You shouldn't add to the Scriptures. Here is what it should say:
"And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." (Jn 17:3, NRSV)
Notice that it is eternal life to know God AND Jesus Christ. Why is it so essential to know Jesus if He is only a representation of God? Why is it not enough to simply know God?
@ pardon me if I didn’t quote it exactly. Jesus is praying to His God who is the Father. So I’m not sure what your point is.
It is essential to know Jesus because He is the only way to the Father. That does not make Jesus God. Nor does it make Jesus part of a they/them/it “triune being”.
@@jonathanfarmer6010 I'm not merely being pedantic. Adding the word Father here changes the meaning of the words. Jesus is praying to God -- YHWH -- the Triune God, but you want it to say that the Father alone is the only true God, which it doesn't say.
Right yeah, Jesus is the only way to the Father, this alone doesn't make Him God, but you are wrong in saying Jesus is not part of "they/them/it". Notice that Jesus is included in declarations to God. We have one here, "that they may know you... AND Jesus Christ" (see also, Rom1:7; 1 Cor 1:3; 2 Cor 1:2; Gal 1:3; Eph 6:23; Phil 1:2; 1 Thess 1:1; Philem 3 etc.). How can it be that whatever the Father does, the Son does and vice-versa if they are not one?
What does this mean (specifically, how does no one know the Son except the Father?):
“All things have been delivered to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and any one to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.” (Matthew 11:27, RSV)
@@julianpavett9141 obedience and service exemplified, be doers of the Word
I love hearing there are those teaching this in Australia! And I certainly hope to hear those accents in the Kingdom! Blessings and love all the way from the United States 😊
"But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the husband is the head of his wife, and God is the head of Christ." - 1 Corinthians 11:3
To trinitarians this means my wife's head is my head literally.
- Edited 3 months later - I could have written that better honestly, just saw my own comment now.
What I am saying is there is a very clear hierarchy that is repeated throughout the Bible, the verse does not then conclude with "and at the head of God is Jesus and/or The holy spirit".
I and my wife are one, does that make me her and her me?
and lets not forget the whole shenanigans of the attempts to alter the Bible with 1 John 5:7-8, that should be evidence enough let alone what the trinity inventors now preach which nothing short of anti-Christian.
If I am wrong and believe me I'm trying to ensure I get it right then I will happily concede and change my opinion but for now I remain to this day unconvinced and given the source it arose from I will stick to what the Bible says quite clearly because I trust Jesus and those that were actually witnesses over so called church leaders that fractured Christianity with its scripture into different sects for their own wants and needs.
Let me guess, I just don't get it because its complicated, nope, I know all the arguments, and when you cherry pick verses while ignoring others and interpret ones as literal then flip to metaphorical to try and make the trinity fit with word gymnastics while practicing things not in the Bible or even completely doing exactly what was told NOT to do then I find it a weak argument.
not in my bible :)
@@ScriptureRooted John 14:26 - But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 15:26 - But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Greetings!
Can you please explain what you mean? I don't understand your point. You seem to have one, I just don't get it. Thank you!
Until Christ is fully formed in us all,
-james
at the death of Jesus on the cross the nature of the flesh perished that caused Jesus to pray, eat, and sleep. He came out of the grave as the firstborn of the dead and a High Priest of God after the order of Melchizedek, He gave up the Kingdom to God by his death that God might be all in all. The father has the identity of Christ as His own identity. Daniel saw Him in Daniel the tenth chapter and John saw Him in Revelations the first Chapter as God almighty the first and the last. Instead of God being 2 or 3 persons He is a number of persons that no man can number, out of the resurrection, beginning with 144,000 Jews the firstfruits unto God. Paul says that the body is not one member but many members and so is Christ. We are members of the Body of Christ because we all have drunk of the same Spirit. To say that God's Spirit is a person is not common sense because a person cannot get inside another person. The thing that makes Jesus the Christ is the fact that God was in Him, if God is a person separate form Him then Jesus cannot be the Christ. This is what John called Antichrist doctrine. Hebrews says that Jesus is the express image of His Person. I take it as Christ is the express image of God's own idea of His person. Another way to look at it is that the word person in the original Greek can also be expanded to mean God's Essence.
@@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOTYes excellent. No contradiction there because Jesus is the Father and also is the Holy spirit. Check the verse which says : I will not leave you comfortless , " I" will come to you.
my favourite argument against the theory of trinity has always been the prayer at Gethsemane. You can't convince me that Jesus prayed to himself, asking to 'let this cup pass' from him in light of the coming crucifixion. Makes zero sense.
Jesus was not praying to Himself, He was praying to His Father. The doctrine of the Trinity isn't that Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit, that's modalism. The Trinity is that The Father is one person, the Son is another and the Holy Spirit is another, but they together are God. The Godhead is three persons.
@@julianpavett9141 John 1:1 Jesus is “a god” he is not Almighty God. That is his Father, Yahweh, or Jehovah.
@@ljnouata9088 So, you are a polytheist then?
Jesus is the very same God. Look at Mark 1:
>“1The beginning of the good news of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. 2As it is written in the prophet Isaiah, “See, I am sending my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way; 3the voice of one crying out in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight,’ ”” (Mark 1:1-3, NRSV)
Note, that here we have a quote from Isaiah, which says:
“3A voice cries out: “In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. 5Then the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all people shall see it together, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”” (Isaiah 40:3-5, NRSV)
So, Isaiah says that a voice cries out in the wilderness to "prepare the way of the LORD". Lord here is YHWH, i.e. Almighty God. But who came? Who did John the Baptist prepare the way for? It was Christ.
There is another passage that is quoted in Mark 1, which is combined with Isaiah, Malachi 3:
>“1See, I am sending my messenger to prepare the way before me, and the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple. The messenger of the covenant in whom you delight-indeed, he is coming, says the Lord of hosts. 2But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap;” (Malachi 3:1-2, NRSV)
Who is God's messenger preparing the way for? "Me", i.e. Almighty God, who will "suddenly come to his temple". So, both quotes refer to the coming of Almighty God in relation to the coming of Christ.
@@ljnouata9088 So, you are a polytheist then?
Jesus is the very same God. Look at Mark 1:
>“1The beginning of the good news of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. 2As it is written in the prophet Isaiah, “See, I am sending my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way; 3the voice of one crying out in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight,’ ”” (Mark 1:1-3, NRSV)
Note, that here we have a quote from Isaiah, which says:
“3A voice cries out: “In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. 5Then the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all people shall see it together, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”” (Isaiah 40:3-5, NRSV)
So, Isaiah says that a voice cries out in the wilderness to "prepare the way of the LORD". Lord here is YHWH, i.e. Almighty God. But who came? Who did John the Baptist prepare the way for? It was Christ.
There is another passage that is quoted in Mark 1, which is combined with Isaiah, Malachi 3:
>“1See, I am sending my messenger to prepare the way before me, and the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple. The messenger of the covenant in whom you delight-indeed, he is coming, says the Lord of hosts. 2But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap;” (Malachi 3:1-2, NRSV)
Who is God's messenger preparing the way for? "Me", i.e. Almighty God, who will "suddenly come to his temple". So, both quotes refer to the coming of Almighty God in relation to the coming of Christ.
@@julianpavett9141 you should read what the bible says then Deuteronomy 6:4 Deuteronomy 4:35,39 Deuteronomy 32:39 2 Samuel 7:22. 1 Kings 8:60 2 KINGS 5:15 2 Kings 19:15 1 Chronicles 17:20 Nehemiah 9:6 just to name a few verses that God is the only God not a trinity jesus is the lord of lords and king our saviour not the Creator of the universe for you to say he is is sinful
Christ himself said that being equal to God was something that he could not grasp.
Where did Jesus say this? Verse and scripture please?
@@MarkCurtis-eh3ue Philippians 2:6
"Though he was in the image of God, being himself equal to God was something he could not grasp..."
So here he identified himself as strictly man and man only using the important characteristics of man. Those being A. In the image of God but B. Not being equal to God. This is the formula for mankind when we were created. And here Christ acknowledges he is of that formula, not one of a God.
@@MarkCurtis-eh3ue he also said many times that he was God's servant. You can't be coequal if you are a servant. You are by Christs own words, subordinate.
us refers to the two natures of Christ. in genesis we read YHWH rained fire and brimstone from YHWH, the distinction being between the visible fleshly manifestation of YHWH who met with Abraham and the invisible Spirit YHWH ( see john 4:24 God is Spirit ).. Us therefore refers to the two natures of YHWH not 2 distinct people.YHWH is not a different person from YHWH, yet YHWH rains FROM YHWH. There is certainly a distinction being made, but not that of people, but natures! If you read Luke 1 you will read that "He will be called the Son because the Spirit will cause the conception." Son therefore refers to the humanity of Christ. John 1 says the Word is God, John 4:24 God is Spirit, thus Christ is the Spirit manifested in the flesh. See Romans 8:9 which says it plainly, the Spirit of God = Spirit of Christ. So Christ is the Son according to his humanity, and Father / Holy Spirit according to his divine Spirit. Christ is fully man fully God. Note also Jesus said "destroy this temple and in three days i will raise it up again!" In acts we read " God raised Jesus" thus the "I" is a direct claim of deity,, God is Spirit thus it was the Spirit who raised Christ's flesh, and Christ refers to the Holy Spirit as "I." This is why the scriptures use Holy Spirit in us interchangeably with Christ in us. As nobody believes a jewish man is in them in a literal sense, we understand it is the Spirit of Christ who is the Holy Spirit in us! In genesis the Spirit is creating, in new testament we read all things were made through Christ, again because the Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit and thus the Holy Spirit in genesis creating is Christ creating ! The Word ( Christ ) became flesh = the Spirit manifested in the temple of man. Christ had 2 wills as a result of his two natures, the human will and the divine will. According to his humanity he willed to eat sleep and grew in wisdom, according to his divine will forgave sins, raised his own body, never grows hungry or tired and is omnipresent... This is why the humanity ( The Son ) was in submission to the Spirit, not 1 person inferior to another, but rather the human nature of Christ in communion and submission to the Spirit of Christ. Jesus said the Father was greater, the Spirit is eternal omnipresent all powerful, the humanity of Christ had a beginning, was not omnipresent, relied on the Spirit for power... In no way does this mean that Christ is not God, it is referring to the two natures of Christ in contrast to each other, not 2 distinct people.
@@JoshuaHults that is some amazing mental gymnastics you have done to justify such an illogical nonsensical position. Congratulations, I don't think I've read such a word salad in a very long time.
Luckily more and more are rejecting the manmade Trinity nonsense.
Not one verse or one apostle tries to teach a triune God.
Avoid.
This k Jesus disagrees .Did he not say that I am the great I am !!!??????
@ he said ego emi like many others.
Where’s the triune God in the verse Jesus said ego emi?
I’ve had so much turmoil in my heart on this,… thank you!
@flosy65 Friend you can be free from that
The doctrine of the Trinity was constructed almost 400 years after the Blessed LORD ascend unto HEAVENLY FATHER
This Doctrine was brought forth at the Council of Nicaea 325 A.D. and fully emerge in 381 A.D.
the New Testament was distorted to some degree for the Trinity doctrine by the Bishops who sided with Alexander
There is much history here with Nicene Christianity
The first century church didn't hold to the teachings that was constructed within the Councils of Nicaea
The Blessed LORD is GOD'S SON
JESUS said this Himself amen
The Blessed LORD was GOD first creation
The Blessed LORD said in Revaluation 3:14 that HE was the beginning of GOD'S creation
Stay encourage in the TRUTH OF the HEAVENLY FATHER and the SON JESUS CHRIST
Trinity is a clue to determine who the false prophet,that wages war against the only one Almigthy God and his sent Son Jesus, a battle of spirituality, truth against lies,@ Rev, 16:13-16,
"Who thought it not robbery to be equal with God..."
Jesus called Jehovah
(My God) over and over again because
[ Jehovah IS his God ]
and also OUR God.
The word Christian means ..
( Follower of Christ )
How can you claim to be following Christ, if you don't even believe what he says?
Jesus said ..
"MY GOD" 4 times, at
REVELATION 3:12 ..
(King James Bible)
"Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."
If Yeshua is not God, what is He in your mind? If He is not YHVH, divine, you will die in your sins (John 8:24).
@benny-yj7pq
Are you saying that you don't believe Christ's words at Rev 3:12 ?
Most people believe Jesus is God, but that's false.
The Bible is very straightforward about the identity of God.
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1 KINGS 18:39
( Darby Bible Translation )
""And all the people saw [it], and they fell on their faces and said, Jehovah, he is God! Jehovah, he is God!""
Hi, I would like to ask you about Romans 8:26. I don't believe in the Trinity, but this verse makes no sense to me if the Trinity don't exist. If the Spirit is the power of God, coming from God, to who God is making intercession to? But if the Spirit is a being, He makes intercession to the Father for us. Can you help me with this? Thanks.
The problem with this verse really has to do with translation choice.
In the Greek and NASB it is more clear
We are the one that God is making intercession to by his Spirit, and Jesus makes intercession as well. "He knows the mind of the spirit"
"Hebrews speaks of Jesus interceding for us since he was tested in always such as we are"
Romans speaks of God interceding for us and giving healing and life to us by his Spirit that dwells in us.
The gift of holy spirit, is how God and Jesus makes intercession to us and through us
Thanks for clear explanation on the Trinity.I have never believed in the Trinity. It does not make any sense.
ditto - not being raised with any faith, when i was first introduced to the idea of the Trinity - it felt like the 'Kings new clothes' scenario.... i just couldn't see how folk could accept it as real/ legitimate...
It's the most nonsensical deceptive thing new age Christians teach. I truly believe it is the great deception the bible speaks of.
When does things making sense to you dictate what is true?
@@andys3035 because a just God, who truly wants a relationship with all of His children, would not hide his nature behind esoteric irrational human centric ideas that require endless mental gymnastics and tossing out common sense logic to rationalize.
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THE TRIUNE GODHEAD, THE TRINITY.
The bible says Jesus is from ancient times, from of old, from everlasting, and from eternity. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH THE FATHER. It also tells us that he created everything that has ever been created, and nothing that has been created was created without him. All things are held together by him. We clearly know that in the beginning the father wasn't alone. In the book of Genesis, the Holy Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. We also know that when God created man, he was not alone because he said let US create man in our image.
In Psalms 89:27 it says "I will also make him my firstborn, greatest of the kings of the earth." God the Father exalted Jesus while he was in the flesh. Philippians 2:5-6 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ who was God in his very nature did not consider using the fact that he was God to his advantage while he was in human form. But Jesus made himself nothing by taking on the role of a servant.
We know that he is eternal and our creator. Not to mention, the bible clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is a person who knows the mind of God. The spirit of God has emotions, the Holy spirit teaches, testifies, guides, speaks, enlightens, strives, commands, intercedes, sends workers, comforts, and he also works. When dealing with Ananais, Peter told him that he had not lied to man, but he had lied to God because Ananais had lied to the Holy Spirit. The bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent when it says where can I go from your spirit. The Holy Spirit is known as He. The holy spirit was involved in the creation and HE is also known as another helper.
"In Matthew 4:16-17 we see that the Father speaks out of heaven when Jesus is baptized - a clear distinction. We also read in John 17:1 that Jesus prayed to the Father, and he carefully made a distinction between the two in saying "Father... glorify your Son, that the Son may glorify You." In fact, 1 John 2:1 tells us that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father. It doesn't make sense to equate Jesus and the Father as the same person, as these verses would be rendered nonsense.
John 14:20 again demonstrates the personhood of both the Son and Father when Jesus said "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." Since we realize that we are different persons than Jesus, this verse would argue that the Father is likewise distinct from the Son and not the same person.
Also we see the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. In John 14:26 Jesus again makes this explicit where He teaches "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things." Previous to this Jesus identified the Spirit as "another helper" (John 14:6). That word "another" is key. We also saw the Spirit in the Matthew 4 passage above descend on Jesus as a dove.
We know the Spirit is a person, because He has all the attributes of a person and not just "God's holy force" as some are wanting to believe. You cannot lie to an active force, nor can you grieve one (see Eph 4:30). Thus the Bible is clear in presenting each of the three members of the trinity as separate persons - each distinct - but each fully the one true God."
THE FATHER IS GOD.
THE SON IS GOD.
THE HOLYSPIRIT IS GOD.
NOT 3 GOD'S, BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD.
THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE.
God has made Christ equal to Himself but He God is greater than:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Jhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Type:
Gen 41:40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in >> throne
This was an excellent study. Thank you.
THE TRIUNE GODHEAD, THE TRINITY.
The bible says Jesus is from ancient times, from of old, from everlasting, and from eternity. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH THE FATHER. It also tells us that he created everything that has ever been created, and nothing that has been created was created without him. All things are held together by him. We clearly know that in the beginning the father wasn't alone. In the book of Genesis, the Holy Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. We also know that when God created man, he was not alone because he said let US create man in our image.
In Psalms 89:27 it says "I will also make him my firstborn, greatest of the kings of the earth." God the Father exalted Jesus while he was in the flesh. Philippians 2:5-6 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ who was God in his very nature did not consider using the fact that he was God to his advantage while he was in human form. But Jesus made himself nothing by taking on the role of a servant.
We know that he is eternal and our creator. Not to mention, the bible clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is a person who knows the mind of God. The spirit of God has emotions, the Holy spirit teaches, testifies, guides, speaks, enlightens, strives, commands, intercedes, sends workers, comforts, and he also works. When dealing with Ananais, Peter told him that he had not lied to man, but he had lied to God because Ananais had lied to the Holy Spirit. The bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent when it says where can I go from your spirit. The Holy Spirit is known as He. The holy spirit was involved in the creation and HE is also known as another helper.
"In Matthew 4:16-17 we see that the Father speaks out of heaven when Jesus is baptized - a clear distinction. We also read in John 17:1 that Jesus prayed to the Father, and he carefully made a distinction between the two in saying "Father... glorify your Son, that the Son may glorify You." In fact, 1 John 2:1 tells us that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father. It doesn't make sense to equate Jesus and the Father as the same person, as these verses would be rendered nonsense.
John 14:20 again demonstrates the personhood of both the Son and Father when Jesus said "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." Since we realize that we are different persons than Jesus, this verse would argue that the Father is likewise distinct from the Son and not the same person.
Also we see the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. In John 14:26 Jesus again makes this explicit where He teaches "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things." Previous to this Jesus identified the Spirit as "another helper" (John 14:6). That word "another" is key. We also saw the Spirit in the Matthew 4 passage above descend on Jesus as a dove.
We know the Spirit is a person, because He has all the attributes of a person and not just "God's holy force" as some are wanting to believe. You cannot lie to an active force, nor can you grieve one (see Eph 4:30). Thus the Bible is clear in presenting each of the three members of the trinity as separate persons - each distinct - but each fully the one true God."
THE FATHER IS GOD.
THE SON IS GOD.
THE HOLYSPIRIT IS GOD.
NOT 3 GOD'S, BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD.
THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE.
I’m not a trinitarian, but I looked up Isaiah 9:6 where it says “Mighty God” and it is not Emmanuel as it is in Isa. 7:14. It’s “El”. So how do you get it being Emmanuel??
@@HebrewMazzaroth can you elaborate on your point please?
Jesus is a “Mighty God” but he is not Almighty God.
Also He is called the Father there. A direct contradiction to the Trinity doctrine.
When all the facts are laid out before us, the truth of the matter is plain and it should be evident to the reasonable mind that the weight of the evidence is heavily against the Trinitarian translation. The Trinitarian translation not only results in an absurd statement concerning God's God, it results in an ancient Davidic King (Ps 45) who lived long before Jesus being called "God." Trinitarians inconsistently translate ho theos at 1:8-9 and the implications are that God has a God and God's God anoints God so that God will make God to be above God's peers. It's ridiculous on the face of it. Christians unlearned of Torah and Igonrance The “Law of Agency ”Yeshua is the shaliach (emissary or agent) and High priest of God,”Yeshua is Completed Tzaddik, but he is not God. Since he is the fully empowered agent of God, he has the power to forgive sins, heal, resurrect, etc. But his power does not prove him to be God. All it proves is that he is fully empowered by God!
The doctrine of a pretrib rapture is the ultimate doctrine for itching ears.
As for John 1:14 you treat it the same way the trinitarians do. You think the traditional translation is the correct one, when in fact the Greek can be translated: "and the word came to flesh (the human kind of flesh) and dwelt IN US.
egeneto sarx; came to flesh.
en himen: in us.
There are not hard and fast rules that require a translator to translate a very slippery word like egeneto as "became."
CAME TO makes far more Biblical sense, and if the word didn't come to dwell in the human kind of flesh which is all of humanity, then none of us would be saved.
Words don't become people. Words are spirit and spirit begets spirit....not flesh. John 3:6
I thought this at one time myself, but, correct me if I'm wrong, wouldn't "sarx" have to be in accusative form rather than nominative for egeneto to mean "came TO flesh" in that verse?
@@maxspringer01 Rules of Greek grammar don't apply when the conclusion results in conflict with essential doctrines to our salvation. Knowing who YHWH is, who Jesus is, and who Paul is and what they taught, are all essential to our salvation.
John 1:14 as translated in English Bibles conflicts with other prophetic texts that teach the "word will be in Jesus and in us."
If the word is not dwelling in you than you are not saved.
Where does the Greek text say sarx cannot refer to the human kind of flesh, as in humanity?
The traditional translation of John 1:14 leads people to believe the God of the Bible changes, when the Bible says He does not change his spirit nature.
So I ask rhetorically: Does God have 2 natures?
Of course not!
Greek scholars who agree with the traditional "became flesh" translation are obviously theologically motivated. Their Trinitarian indoctrination results in a presuppositional bias that conflicts with the nature of God and His word.
"Became flesh" alters God's nature to a flesh and blood human, which results in an absurdity.
"Came to flesh" keeps the spirit nature of God and his word as one, and doesn't seek to change God's nature.
Greek "Egeneto"; Hebrew "WAY-HI"
The Hebrew word with the same meaning is (way-hi). There are many examples in the Bible where the LXX translators used "egeneto" to translate way-hi in verses that render it: "..came to.."
Examples:
a. NEW TESTAMENT
i) "The word of God CAME TO (egeneto) John the Baptist....."
Luke 3:2
ii) "If he called them gods to whom the word of God CAME (egeneto)." John 10:35
b. OLD TESTAMENT
i) "Then the word of YHWH CAME TO Elijah..." 1 Kings 21:17
ii) "The word of YHWH CAME TO me, saying,..." Jeremiah 1:4
iii) "the word of YHWH CAME TO Nathan, saying, 1 Chronicles 17:3
iv) "The word of Yahweh that CAME TO Hosea....." Hosea 1:1
v) "..the word of YHWH CAME TO Shemaiah,..." 2 Chronicles 12:7
vi) "the word of Yahweh CAME TO him saying,." Genesis 15:4
vii) "the word of Yahweh CAME TO Abram..." Genesis 15:1
viii) "The word of Yahweh CAME TO me, saying,.." Ezekiel 6:1
ALSO SEE: Jeremiah 1:2, 11; Jeremiah 13:8; (came; ἐγένετο) Mark 1:11, Luke 3:22; Luke 9:35.
The above verses demonstrate the word of God is put into people, comes to people, and comes to dwell in people, but nowhere does the Bible support the idea that the word of God becomes the flesh of Jesus or anyone else.
God's word is spirit:
"It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit, and are life." (John 6:63).
Spirit does not become flesh.
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." (John 3:6)
Words are spirit. Words do not become flesh. Words enter into the mind.
Notice how Paul refers to the word of God being IN the believers mouth and heart:
"But what does it say? "The word (logos) is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the MESSAGE concerning faith that we proclaim: If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:8-9
Paul states: "let the word of God dwell in you richly." Colossians 3:16
God tells Jeremiah:
“Behold, I have put my words in your mouth.” Jeremiah 1:9. We see similar language used in Deuteronomy 18:18
END of PART 7(a)
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PART 7(b):
An Exegetical Commentary on John's prologue.
THE COMPATIBLE TRANSLATION OF JOHN 1:14
2. The Greek word "sarx" should be translated "humanity."
In Acts 2:17 Peter quotes Joel 2:28
"..I will pour out My spirit on all flesh..." The meaning of sarx here is better translated as mankind, which some Bibles do. (see below).
Paul states:
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds." (1 Corinthians 15:39) The "one kind of flesh of men" is a reference to mankind or humanity.
More than 80 percent of the time "sarx" is translated "flesh" it is associated with the sinful nature of man.
Sarx is also used in reference to humanity, mankind, all people, animals, birds and fishes.
Sarx is also used in reference to parts of animals and humans. The meat of animals is called flesh.
In Acts 2:17 Luke tells us Peter refers to sarx as human kind, all people, or humanity.
Note: the following translations of Acts 2:17 have the word sarx translated humanity, everyone, or all people:
i) The NASB: mankind
ii) Weymouth New Testament: mankind.
iii) GOD'S WORD® Translation: everyone
iv) Aramaic Bible in Plain English: everyone
v) International Standard Version: everyone
vi) Good News Translation: everyone
vii) The NET Bible: all people.
viii) Holman Christian Standard Bible: humanity
ix) Contemporary English Version: everyone
x) Christian Standard Bible: all people
xi) Berean Study Bible: all people
xii) New Living Translation: all people
xiii) New International Version: all people
Paul also uses flesh as a reference to all of humanity where he states:
"no flesh is justified by the works of the law" (Romans 3:20; Galatians 2:16).
When the context is not referring to the sinful nature of man, or to the physical bodies or parts of animals, and where the context is clearly about the human kind of flesh in the broader sense of humanity, the word "sarx" in John 1:14 should be translated "humanity, all people, or everyone."
Methodist writer Joseph Benson emphasizes sarx as referring to 'the whole human nature.' This indicates others have come to the same conclusion I have.
3. The Greek words "en hemin" should be translated "in us"
The Greek word "en" is commonly translated "in" and "hemin" is translated "us." Putting the two together "en hemin" can be rendered as "in us" which fits perfectly with the Bible.
The word does nothing to transform the heart and mind of anyone unless it dwells in them by being received and believed in faith.
The Greek preposition and noun combination "en hemin" is not always translated "among us." There are several Examples to demonstrate "en hemin" is translated "in us" or "within us." EXAMPLES:
i) Luke 24:32: within us; in us
ii) Romans 8:4: in us
iii) John 17:21: in us
iv) Ephesians 3:20: within us; in us
v) Philemon 1:6 : some translations have "in us" others "in you" (still referring to more than one).
vi) 2 Timothy 1:14: within us; in us
vii) 2 John 1:2 "menousen en hemin" is translated as follows:
"abides in us" ASV, NASB;
"dwells in us" Aramaic Bible in Plain English;
"dwelleth in us" KJV;
"lives in us" NIV, NLT;
Many other examples exist to demonstrate "en hemin" is often translated "in us" in the New Testament.
Paul says the word of Christ (the Gospel) comes to dwell "in" the hearts and minds of believers. (Colossians 3:16)
Translating "en hemin" in John 1:14 to read "in us" is consistent with the Bible, is logical, reasonable, and causes no conflicts with the Bible.
Jesus took not on the nature of angels, but the seed of Abraham, says Hebrews. This Christ Jesus' incarnation is more that merely the word coming to flesh. God in Jesus wore out flesh is closer to the truth, though it is not so said in Bible. But it does say he became us, and he became sin rather than merely he came to us
@@johnspartan98are you forgetting that “The Word was in the beginning” in John 1:1a?
“In the beginning was God’s words”
Your interpretation by John wouldn’t make sense in any language.
@@ljnouata9088 How do you know I'm forgetting John 1:1a? Here's what I put together from years of study. Read it and then show me what you remember from your studies pal.
An Exegetical Commentary on John's Prologue
PART 3, John 1:1
a. In the beginning was the word (ho logos),
b. and the word (ho logos) was integral to God (ton theon),
c. and divine (theos) was the word (ho logos).
Or: "and the word (ho logos) was divine (theos)."
Or: "and what God (theos) was, the word (ho logos) was."
James Moffatt, former professor of Greek and New Testament Exegesis at Mansfield College in Oxford, England, and author of the well-known Moffatt Bible, agrees. He translated John 1:1c as,
“the logos was divine.”
In 1:1b, Ton Theon with the definite article is properly translated to English as "the God" with an uppercase "G" to signify it is referring to YHWH the only true God. Translators remove the definite article and use uppercase "G" to make God a proper noun referring to YHWH, the only true God (John 17:3).
In 1:1c, Theos without the definite article is normally translated as god with a lowercase "g" and is sometimes translated as "divine."
The divine translation more accurately applies here since there is no other deity mentioned.
In John 1:1 all three instances of "ho logos" do not refer to another person or lessor god. The word is YHWH's word, and more specifically the writer is referring to none other than the GOSPEL which was in YHWH's forethought from eternity.
The use of theos without the definite article, sandwiched between "ton theon" and "ho logos," indicates "theos" is being used as a predicate adjective to describe the spirit nature and qualities of YHWH and His word as being the same spirit, life, light, eternal, holy, and divine Logos. Both YHWH and His Logos are DIVINE.
"Ho Logos" is an attribute and possession of YHWH, not a person, not a lessor god, and not Jesus.
There is no Biblical basis for concluding that the second use of theos (without the definite article) is referring to a second person whose name is the word. The Author does not write: In the beginning was Jesus.
No other deity besides YHWH is mentioned in John 's Gospel. Jesus never refers to himself as "ho logos" and neither do the Apostles.
Quote:
"The second use of theos in John 1:1c serves as a predicate adjective rather than as a predicate noun." [citation: Maximillian Zerwick, Biblical Greek, Rome: Scripta Ponificii Instituti Biblici, 1963, p. 55, par. 171; p. 57, par. 176.
Regarding John 1:1b "pros ton theon"
It is incorrect to insist that "pros" points to another person (Jesus) as having an eternal preexistent relationship with YHWH. What John is telling us is exactly what the Bible teaches: the Gospel is of the same eternal and divine spirit nature as what YHWH is. There is an eternal relationship between YHWH and His word without the word being the person of Jesus.
According to Bauer’s Greek-English Lexicon the preposition pros with the accusative, as in John 1:1, 2, is a marker of movement or orientation toward someone or something. The context determines if it is a person or a something.
Pros can mean a number of things such as, according to Bauer's: toward, towards, to, near, at, during, aiming at, striving toward, against, for, to indicate a connection by marking a point of reference, with reference to/regard to (about, because of, with respect to, which concerns, which belongs to, what makes for, in accordance with, in order to, for the purpose of),in adverbial expressions (“tends toward” Jas. 5:4) by, at, near.
Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon adds the definition “pertaining to.” Also, various translations render pros with the accusative as: Concerning, as respects, pertaining to, of, even to.
Furthermore, the Greek word generally rendered as ‘with’ is para and not pros.
The assumption that "pros" means there is another person "with" God in John 1:1 can only be due to TRADITION. The mystics, Gnostics, and Philosophers like Philo infected the early church with a lessor god and /or logos theory that conflicts with the Bible.
People who insist on this interpretation overlook the Biblical evidence that "pros" can also be translated as "with" when referring to a something, rather than a someone. (Examples below).
NOTE:
The LXX renders pros ton theon as “to God.”
Eighteen other occurrences of pros ton theon in the New Testament Scriptures are translated as: “to God,” “toward God,” “related to God” or “pertaining to God.” For example, many translations render the phrase pros ton theon in Hebrews 5:2 as: “pertaining to God...” (NASB); “in relation to God...” (ESV); “related to God...” (NIV). Similarly, in Hebrews 2:17 and Romans 15:17.
The same or similar phrases are used in a number of other texts. Bauer’s choice of phrase for Romans 15:17 is “that which concerns God” in its rendering of "ta pros ton theon."
Regardless, there is Biblical evidence that "pros" can be translated as "with" when referring to a something integral to God such as his spirit, nature, attributes, word, wisdom, power, love, etc.. However, in my opinion: "integral to God" is more accurate. Truly God's word is an integral part of who God is (the self revealing one).
Job 10:12-16 informs us that God’s attributes such as life, love, wisdom, power are with Him.
Isa 40.10; 62.11 states “His reward is with Him.”
2 Kings 3:12 states “The word of the Lord is with him.”
In John 1:1 the Greek phrase "pros ton theon" refers to things and not a person. Other examples make this point clear. We have:
“things with God” (Heb 2:17; 5:1; Rom 17:15)
“conscience with God” (Acts 24:16)
“confidence with God” (2 Cor 3:4; 1 John 3:21)
“peace with God” (Rom 5:1)
“Faith with God.” (1 Thessalonians 1:8)
Jesus cannot be read into the text of John 1:1 as being YHWH or the word because YHWH and His word are not begotten or born. Jesus was begotten and born.
John 6:63 states God's word is spirit, meaning: of the same divine eternal spirit nature as YAHWEH.
God is a spirit. (John 4:24)
God's word is spirit. (John 6:63)
God's word does not become flesh. (John 3:6)
God's word is placed INTO Jesus. Deuteronomy 18:18.
Jesus, the Son of God, is not the "word" (logos) of John 1:1. Rather, Jesus spoke his Father's logos....the very words he said belonged to his FATHER. (John 7:15-17; John 12:49-50; John 14:10; John 14:24).
The belief that the word of God became the flesh of Jesus conflicts with the Bible which teaches us that the word of God came THROUGH Jesus to humanity to dwell in our hearts and minds and transform us. The Logos of God was placed into Jesus by God. Deuteronomy 18:18; Acts 3:22
END OF PART 3
After reasoning on John 1:1,14, you could just drop down to what John said about God in verse 18. 'No man has seen God,...'
Simple.
One more thing on John 1:1. The greek word rendered as 'God' in the first part of the verse is different from the greek word used for 'God' in the last part. Because the indefinite article was used in the first 'God', but not in the last 'God', implys that the first instance is speaking of God the person, whereas the second 'God' is more of a descriptive meaning, an adjective. So, its not talking of the person of God, but a person who has godlike qualities. And who better to fit that description than God's only begotten, created son, who was known as the Word, but when born on earth, as Jesus.
Very good coverage of identifying BOTH the Father and His Son.
If Jesus was Actually His Father, then MARY, the Creation, gave BIRTH to Her CREATOR.
Absolutely preposterous...
@@ANDY_FUGAZI You are misunderstanding it
@@ANDY_FUGAZI The WORD became Flesh,, John 1:14 , The WORD, who was GOD was born of a woman…, as Christianity has believed for 2000 yrs,, as the Scriptures teach 📚
Yes, you are misunderstanding the doctrine of the Trinity. Jesus is NOT His Father. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are separate persons that together are one God. God is love and does not change. Therefore, for God to be love, He must have loved for eternity. Who did God love? The Father loved the Son, the Son loved the Father, and the Holy Spirit is the love shared between them.
@@julianpavett9141 so well said ❣️✝️
@@julianpavett9141
O I see, They are ONE as is a married couple & as is the Christian Congregation: ONE IN UNITY not actually literally one. Ah, I get it now: So why do so many say Jesus is actually His Father and is mention of the Holy Spirit being called Father or Son for that matter ?
6:15 ✔ Acts 10:38
19:59 ✔ Logos was made flesh.
35:56 ✔ Trinity destroyed
Isaiah does not say everlasting father, it says Pele Y'ets al gibbor ad shar Shalom. It literally says he would be called the wonderful counselor, Elohim, Al is Short for Elohim, and everlasting powerful Prince of shalom. The word father is never mentioned it is added to many texts but it is not in the original Hebrew. And Elohim does not mean the Almighty in this context it's talking about what an Elohim is, it's because when you translate Hebrew into English you cannot use one or two words for one Hebrew word you must use many words or you will never understand it fully.
THE TRIUNE GODHEAD, THE TRINITY.
The bible says Jesus is from ancient times, from of old, from everlasting, and from eternity. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH THE FATHER. It also tells us that he created everything that has ever been created, and nothing that has been created was created without him. All things are held together by him. We clearly know that in the beginning the father wasn't alone. In the book of Genesis, the Holy Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. We also know that when God created man, he was not alone because he said let US create man in our image.
In Psalms 89:27 it says "I will also make him my firstborn, greatest of the kings of the earth." God the Father exalted Jesus while he was in the flesh. Philippians 2:5-6 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ who was God in his very nature did not consider using the fact that he was God to his advantage while he was in human form. But Jesus made himself nothing by taking on the role of a servant.
We know that he is eternal and our creator. Not to mention, the bible clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is a person who knows the mind of God. The spirit of God has emotions, the Holy spirit teaches, testifies, guides, speaks, enlightens, strives, commands, intercedes, sends workers, comforts, and he also works. When dealing with Ananais, Peter told him that he had not lied to man, but he had lied to God because Ananais had lied to the Holy Spirit. The bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent when it says where can I go from your spirit. The Holy Spirit is known as He. The holy spirit was involved in the creation and HE is also known as another helper.
"In Matthew 4:16-17 we see that the Father speaks out of heaven when Jesus is baptized - a clear distinction. We also read in John 17:1 that Jesus prayed to the Father, and he carefully made a distinction between the two in saying "Father... glorify your Son, that the Son may glorify You." In fact, 1 John 2:1 tells us that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father. It doesn't make sense to equate Jesus and the Father as the same person, as these verses would be rendered nonsense.
John 14:20 again demonstrates the personhood of both the Son and Father when Jesus said "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." Since we realize that we are different persons than Jesus, this verse would argue that the Father is likewise distinct from the Son and not the same person.
Also we see the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. In John 14:26 Jesus again makes this explicit where He teaches "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things." Previous to this Jesus identified the Spirit as "another helper" (John 14:6). That word "another" is key. We also saw the Spirit in the Matthew 4 passage above descend on Jesus as a dove.
We know the Spirit is a person, because He has all the attributes of a person and not just "God's holy force" as some are wanting to believe. You cannot lie to an active force, nor can you grieve one (see Eph 4:30). Thus the Bible is clear in presenting each of the three members of the trinity as separate persons - each distinct - but each fully the one true God."
THE FATHER IS GOD.
THE SON IS GOD.
THE HOLYSPIRIT IS GOD.
NOT 3 GOD'S, BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD.
THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE.
so all of the greek scholars are wrong because you said so lol, what an arrogant brat
"Never do you ever find the word LOGOS in scripture to denote a physical being. It's not there." Look, I understand that things can be stated over emphatically for effect, but should have thusly been further explained or qualified by stating that John the apostle is quoting the Septuagint from 1 Kings, Jeremiah, Hosea and Ezekiel (just to name a few) where the word LOGOS is in fact personified. That's as far as I had made it into the video, and I have other things to do so I'll finish later- maybe these OT scriptures are at some point explained. If they are not, however, what I had quoted above by the speaker is an oversight in study, an assertion with sound arguments left unstated due to time constraints, points that will be addressed later, or a bold and outright lie.
@@matthewmctamney5267
The word became flesh.
@@matthewmctamney5267 " and the word became flesh." aka the logos became flesh. So the plan of God was the logos, and this plan was Himself, who being made in the likeness of men...
Isaia 9:6---- in the hebrew Text you won't find there the Word "father", instead it has to be translated "everlasting Prince of peace"
Jesus talks about being with the Father in heaven. He was created before the angels according to Colossians 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature" and Revelation 3:14b "These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God." Jesus was with Hod in heaven and, whether or not our finite minds can wrap around it, he came as a child. That is how God ordained it. We aren't required to understand because His ways are higher than our ways."
Jesus only did the things he saw the Father do.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Please don't try and explain this away. That would be akin to trying to explain Trinity.
Can someone explain to me please by what Jesus means by glorify me together with Yourself , with the glory which I had with you before the world was.? If he wasnt with the father before the world was? In John 17:5
Yes.
Why bother explaining that faulty translation of Isaiah 9:6 when all you need to do is go to the Septuigant for the correct translation? The Septuigant in Greek to English reads nothing like the KJV and a few others that copied it.
John 14:26 - But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 15:26 - But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Thank you very much for the video my dear brother!May Yahweh continue to bless you!❤
you dont know him
at the death of Jesus on the cross the nature of the flesh perished that caused Jesus to pray, eat, and sleep. He came out of the grave as the firstborn of the dead and a High Priest of God after the order of Melchizedek, He gave up the Kingdom to God by his death that God might be all in all. The father has the identity of Christ as His own identity. Daniel saw Him in Daniel the tenth chapter and John saw Him in Revelations the first Chapter as God almighty the first and the last. Instead of God being 2 or 3 persons He is a number of persons that no man can number, out of the resurrection, beginning with 144,000 Jews the firstfruits unto God. Paul says that the body is not one member but many members and so is Christ. We are members of the Body of Christ because we all have drunk of the same Spirit. To say that God's Spirit is a person is not common sense because a person cannot get inside another person. The thing that makes Jesus the Christ is the fact that God was in Him, if God is a person separate form Him then Jesus cannot be the Christ. This is what John called Antichrist doctrine. Hebrews says that Jesus is the express image of His Person. I take it as Christ is the express image of God's own idea of His person. Another way to look at it is that the word person in the original Greek can also be expanded to mean God's Essence.
*JEHOVAH*
For God so loved the world that he GAVE his only begotten son. Ponder this verse. I pray one can immerse themselves in what it truly means. Amen
THE TRIUNE GODHEAD, THE TRINITY.
The bible says Jesus is from ancient times, from of old, from everlasting, and from eternity. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH THE FATHER. It also tells us that he created everything that has ever been created, and nothing that has been created was created without him. All things are held together by him. We clearly know that in the beginning the father wasn't alone. In the book of Genesis, the Holy Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. We also know that when God created man, he was not alone because he said let US create man in our image.
In Psalms 89:27 it says "I will also make him my firstborn, greatest of the kings of the earth." God the Father exalted Jesus while he was in the flesh. Philippians 2:5-6 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ who was God in his very nature did not consider using the fact that he was God to his advantage while he was in human form. But Jesus made himself nothing by taking on the role of a servant.
We know that he is eternal and our creator. Not to mention, the bible clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is a person who knows the mind of God. The spirit of God has emotions, the Holy spirit teaches, testifies, guides, speaks, enlightens, strives, commands, intercedes, sends workers, comforts, and he also works. When dealing with Ananais, Peter told him that he had not lied to man, but he had lied to God because Ananais had lied to the Holy Spirit. The bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent when it says where can I go from your spirit. The Holy Spirit is known as He. The holy spirit was involved in the creation and HE is also known as another helper.
"In Matthew 4:16-17 we see that the Father speaks out of heaven when Jesus is baptized - a clear distinction. We also read in John 17:1 that Jesus prayed to the Father, and he carefully made a distinction between the two in saying "Father... glorify your Son, that the Son may glorify You." In fact, 1 John 2:1 tells us that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father. It doesn't make sense to equate Jesus and the Father as the same person, as these verses would be rendered nonsense.
John 14:20 again demonstrates the personhood of both the Son and Father when Jesus said "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." Since we realize that we are different persons than Jesus, this verse would argue that the Father is likewise distinct from the Son and not the same person.
Also we see the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. In John 14:26 Jesus again makes this explicit where He teaches "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things." Previous to this Jesus identified the Spirit as "another helper" (John 14:6). That word "another" is key. We also saw the Spirit in the Matthew 4 passage above descend on Jesus as a dove.
We know the Spirit is a person, because He has all the attributes of a person and not just "God's holy force" as some are wanting to believe. You cannot lie to an active force, nor can you grieve one (see Eph 4:30). Thus the Bible is clear in presenting each of the three members of the trinity as separate persons - each distinct - but each fully the one true God."
THE FATHER IS GOD.
THE SON IS GOD.
THE HOLYSPIRIT IS GOD.
NOT 3 GOD'S, BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD.
THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE.
Bible scholars say this verse was mistranslated. That begotten is not there.
@@wahiidstube
THE TRIUNE GODHEAD, THE TRINITY.
The bible says Jesus is from ancient times, from of old, from everlasting, and from eternity. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH THE FATHER. It also tells us that he created everything that has ever been created, and nothing that has been created was created without him. All things are held together by him. We clearly know that in the beginning the father wasn't alone. In the book of Genesis, the Holy Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. We also know that when God created man, he was not alone because he said let US create man in our image.
In Psalms 89:27 it says "I will also make him my firstborn, greatest of the kings of the earth." God the Father exalted Jesus while he was in the flesh. Philippians 2:5-6 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ who was God in his very nature did not consider using the fact that he was God to his advantage while he was in human form. But Jesus made himself nothing by taking on the role of a servant.
We know that he is eternal and our creator. Not to mention, the bible clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is a person who knows the mind of God. The spirit of God has emotions, the Holy spirit teaches, testifies, guides, speaks, enlightens, strives, commands, intercedes, sends workers, comforts, and he also works. When dealing with Ananais, Peter told him that he had not lied to man, but he had lied to God because Ananais had lied to the Holy Spirit. The bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent when it says where can I go from your spirit. The Holy Spirit is known as He. The holy spirit was involved in the creation and HE is also known as another helper.
"In Matthew 4:16-17 we see that the Father speaks out of heaven when Jesus is baptized - a clear distinction. We also read in John 17:1 that Jesus prayed to the Father, and he carefully made a distinction between the two in saying "Father... glorify your Son, that the Son may glorify You." In fact, 1 John 2:1 tells us that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father. It doesn't make sense to equate Jesus and the Father as the same person, as these verses would be rendered nonsense.
John 14:20 again demonstrates the personhood of both the Son and Father when Jesus said "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." Since we realize that we are different persons than Jesus, this verse would argue that the Father is likewise distinct from the Son and not the same person.
Also we see the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. In John 14:26 Jesus again makes this explicit where He teaches "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things." Previous to this Jesus identified the Spirit as "another helper" (John 14:6). That word "another" is key. We also saw the Spirit in the Matthew 4 passage above descend on Jesus as a dove.
We know the Spirit is a person, because He has all the attributes of a person and not just "God's holy force" as some are wanting to believe. You cannot lie to an active force, nor can you grieve one (see Eph 4:30). Thus the Bible is clear in presenting each of the three members of the trinity as separate persons - each distinct - but each fully the one true God."
THE FATHER IS GOD.
THE SON IS GOD.
THE HOLYSPIRIT IS GOD.
NOT 3 GOD'S, BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD.
THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE.
@wahiidstube
It clear says that if you believe God, About his Son, you have eternal life, and if you don't you will parish.
It said eternal, if you say different then you are calling God a liar.
There is no works involved, only thing you have to do is believe, if you say different you are calling God a liar.
So easy.
@@wahiidstube you gonna believe some crackhead scholars, but not God himself. Lol.
If you trust the Church for the Bible, why don't you trust them for the Trinity? How would you know better?
*Jesus wanted his Father's Kingdom to be Established and his Father is God*
Just read the Lord's Prayer. Jesus says our Father in heaven, speaks of his kingdom and his will being done and asks the Father to forgive sins and provide us daily bread.
Jesus did the work of his Father and represented him perfectly. In this way he was one with the Father, did the works of his Father and showed us the deeds of the Father. In the same way I can see that the wind blew down my fence and I know it's there. Jesus does God's/his Father's will so shows us God his Father is there.
It's his Father's Will, Kingdom, Name, the Father who he asks to deliver us and lead us to righteousness.
Jesus asked us to pray that his Father's Will, Name and Kingdom to be manifested and honoured as that is the reason he came here; to establish his Father's Kingdom.
Jesus also told Magdalene, "Go tell them 'I ascend to MY God and your God, and MY Father, and YOUR Father." There is a difference in how Jesus is God's Son and we're God's children.
Jesus said in His prayer Our Father in heaven...forgive us our sins.
But Peter says in Acts forgiveness of sins is through only one name Jesus.
Also John 3:13 no one has ascended to heaven but who has come down from heaven
Read Exo again.
Exo 33:20: But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man can see My face and live.”
What did Moses wish to see?
What did God tell Moses that he could see?
Did Moses see God's face?
What was Moses able to see?
Did Moses see some aspect of God and live?
No man can see the essence/ousia or face of the Father.
The incarnate Son is the icon of the Father, which is how we can see the Father.
The Son reveals the Father to the Church.
Very interesting ❤Thank you 😊
THE TRIUNE GODHEAD, THE TRINITY.
The bible says Jesus is from ancient times, from of old, from everlasting, and from eternity. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH THE FATHER. It also tells us that he created everything that has ever been created, and nothing that has been created was created without him. All things are held together by him. We clearly know that in the beginning the father wasn't alone. In the book of Genesis, the Holy Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. We also know that when God created man, he was not alone because he said let US create man in our image.
In Psalms 89:27 it says "I will also make him my firstborn, greatest of the kings of the earth." God the Father exalted Jesus while he was in the flesh. Philippians 2:5-6 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ who was God in his very nature did not consider using the fact that he was God to his advantage while he was in human form. But Jesus made himself nothing by taking on the role of a servant.
We know that he is eternal and our creator. Not to mention, the bible clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is a person who knows the mind of God. The spirit of God has emotions, the Holy spirit teaches, testifies, guides, speaks, enlightens, strives, commands, intercedes, sends workers, comforts, and he also works. When dealing with Ananais, Peter told him that he had not lied to man, but he had lied to God because Ananais had lied to the Holy Spirit. The bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent when it says where can I go from your spirit. The Holy Spirit is known as He. The holy spirit was involved in the creation and HE is also known as another helper.
"In Matthew 4:16-17 we see that the Father speaks out of heaven when Jesus is baptized - a clear distinction. We also read in John 17:1 that Jesus prayed to the Father, and he carefully made a distinction between the two in saying "Father... glorify your Son, that the Son may glorify You." In fact, 1 John 2:1 tells us that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father. It doesn't make sense to equate Jesus and the Father as the same person, as these verses would be rendered nonsense.
John 14:20 again demonstrates the personhood of both the Son and Father when Jesus said "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." Since we realize that we are different persons than Jesus, this verse would argue that the Father is likewise distinct from the Son and not the same person.
Also we see the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. In John 14:26 Jesus again makes this explicit where He teaches "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things." Previous to this Jesus identified the Spirit as "another helper" (John 14:6). That word "another" is key. We also saw the Spirit in the Matthew 4 passage above descend on Jesus as a dove.
We know the Spirit is a person, because He has all the attributes of a person and not just "God's holy force" as some are wanting to believe. You cannot lie to an active force, nor can you grieve one (see Eph 4:30). Thus the Bible is clear in presenting each of the three members of the trinity as separate persons - each distinct - but each fully the one true God."
THE FATHER IS GOD.
THE SON IS GOD.
THE HOLYSPIRIT IS GOD.
NOT 3 GOD'S, BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD.
THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE.
It's either full of lies, or the narrator is unknowingly spreading disinformation. His definition of greek meanings is way way offs Logos isn't anywhere close to intent , reasoning or purpose. Logos is either word, principle thought or speech. In fact every single instance when he "explains" what any verse really means he's not even in the ballpark. Nothing but eisegesis here.
Please answer these questions: Who is the Rock cut out of the Mountain, not by human hands Daniel 2? Who is the Mountain? Are the Rock and the Mountain made of the same substance? What came first, the Rock or the Mountain? 🙏❤
@albertmomberger Your point also applies to the created son of God, Adam, made out of what God created, rocks and mountains and dust. So your point can equally say Jesus is created of the same stuff, a son of David, a seed of Eve, a brother to all Israelis, a man, a last Adam.
@@ken440 Please see the context of Daniel 2. 🙏🏽 This is a spiritual Mountain. Also, the Son of God, the Word, is not created. This makes the Son of God the same substance as God the Father. ❤️
@@albertmomberger the context of hebrew scripture is an anointed king, son of David, seed of the woman, brother of israel. your assumption is insistance on substance.
If substance then in john where Jesus prays "may these disciples be one with us as you and i are one" must mean the trinity is no more, as there are now at least 12 more who are of same substance. That would be a godhead of 15. no that shows the "substance" in ontologically folly as an argument.
Context, context, context. We are determining whether the Son of God was a creation. Scripture states otherwise. 🙏🏼❤️
@@albertmomberger scripture states (by the words of Gods messenger Gabriel) that Mary would be birthing the promised one, the seed of Eve (gen3:15) (why Jesus called himself "son of man") Brother of israel (deut18:18) and offspring of Abraham (why Jesus said "I am he" when the jews mentioned Abraham being pleased) a son of David, a shoot of Jesse. And says himself that YHWH is his God, and why Peter says "a man attested BY GOD with miracles" and Paul says "there is but one God, and one man who is mediator between God and men." And why Jesus is called "lamb OF GOD" and was killed on a passover, leading to the lambs blood being our covering.
Sounds like one created, to me.
And that should be alpha and omega of what you should be need to remove your trinity stumbling block.
Fantastic points made in this message! Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wrong points made. Lookup the real meaning of the words he defines, He's way off
There really is nothing to debate: Jesus IS GOD’S Son. Period. Yahweh is Jesus’s Father. Why do trinitarians insist on GOING BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN. 1 Cor 4:6
There’s one other entity, being, that wants nothing more than to distort the Majestic, Loving Father/Son relationship
I think the main reason trinitarians insist on their own god and doctrine is that their hearts, as is their minds, are not of GOD
I belve there is one GOD ...and Jesus said he and his Father are ONE
One in purpose not one person
John 17:21 shows that believers can also be part of a Triune God.
@ no such thing as a triune god. Total BS cooked by men to creat an idol of their own making
And yet Jesus himself said in verse 18 of John chapter one “ No Man has SEEN GOD”
Houston, we have a Problem !!
@@ANDY_FUGAZI Hello,, I’m NOT blocking you
@@ANDY_FUGAZI I’m Debating YOU
@@ANDY_FUGAZI hello ??
Revelation 3:14 according to Jesus GOD CREATED HIM FIRST.
According to the Bible, which is God's Word, Jesus created everything.
Jesus is the only thing God ( Jehovah) created, after that, all things were made through Jesus! God and Jesus worked together for one purpose, to re-establish Eden on earth, the kingdom coming will bring paradise back to man!!! A perfect government for mankind!!!
@@PCB-dg7pt That's just not what the Bible teaches at all. Read Isaiah chapters 40-48. You will find many verses where the Father claims to be and do every single thing that Jesus is said to. The Father claims to be THE Creator in Is. 41:20; 42:5; 43:7,15; 44:24; 45:7,11,12,18.
@@thecalling6122uh, no. GOD created everything THROUGH Jesus. Hebrews 1:2. Try again.
@@gregory7406 I was correct the first time. Read John 1:1,3,14 without having your monotheism, pagan-clouded eyes tell you otherwise. The Scripture is CLEAR.
Verse 14 cannot be anyone BUT Jesus Christ. Col. 1:6 reiterates for those who hate Jesus and wish to discredit Him.
You WILL bow.
Great video. Thanks 😊🌺🙏🏽
I used to be a Trinitarian in one of the world’s largest religious denominations for 53 years and taught and raised my own family the same for 18 years. I continued in this teaching right up until the day God had mercy on me and sent me the Holy Spirit who led me into all the truth (John 16:13). What does the Spirit have to say about this? If you have eyes to see and ears to hear, listen:
“At that same time Jesus was filled with the joy of the Holy Spirit, and he said, “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for HIDING THESE THINGS FROM THOSE WHO THINK THEMSELVES WISE AND CLEVER, and for REVEALING THEM TO THE CHILDLIKE. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way.” (Luke 10:21)
“Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will NEVER ENTER the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt. 18:3)
Now, remember that show, “Are you smarter than a 5th grader”? Are you willing to be humble and be like a child? Take the test yourself and find out.
The topic is based on the doctrine of the Trinity. This doctrine declares the Godhead is triune being comprised of Father, Son and Holy Spirit who are “co-equal” with each other and “are all God”. Without being a bible scholar or having to twist scripture, this is really quite simple. Ready to test yourself?
Elementary 5th grade reading and basic 2nd grade math show us the truth of this matter; hence being like a child just like our Lord said:
Open your Bible, go to the gospel of John and read the following verses for yourself: John 1:1-3. Now do the basic math. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?
Having established that both the Father and the Son are God from what you just read, now read the following verses: John 5:17, 5:19, 5:20, 5:21, 5:22, 5:23, 5:26, 5:30, 5:36, 8:28, 12:50, 10:30, 14:6, 14:23, 14:28, 15:10, 17:3, 17:5, Rom. 1:1, Rom. 1:27, 1 Cor. 1:3, 1 Cor. 1:9, 1 Cor. 8:6-7, 1 Cor. 15:27-28, 2 Cor. 1:2-3, Eph. 1:2, 5:20, Philip. 1:2, Col. 1:3, 1 Thess. 1:3, 2 Thess. 1:2, Phil. 1:3, Heb. 1:8-13, 1 Peter 1:3, 2 Peter 1:2, 1 John 1:3, 1: John 5:20, 2 John 1:3, 2 John 1:9, Rev. 3:12, 7:10, 21:22-23. Now do the basic math. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?
Now, ask honestly ask yourself, where in this world does 1 + 1 =3?
The Spirit can keep going on with many more verses just like this. If you have the humility to be honest with yourself and what you just read, you will see the plain truth and the trinity doctrine is debunked. If the Holy Spirit was in fact God, why was he left out of all those verses? What happened to being co-equal?
Little children truly believe in Santa Claus in all sincerity up until the day they discover the ugly truth of the matter, right? This isn’t any different. Why anyone would continue to believe in a lie after the truth has been revealed with the preponderance of overwhelming evidence? Ripping the band aid off hurts, doesn’t it? But, “the truth will set you free” (John 8:32).
So now that you have read and seen the truth for yourself, do you still believe in the false trinity doctrine or did you fail the 5th grade test? If you failed it and still believe in the doctrines of men and not God, go to your Bible and read John 8:47. That is the harsh reality friend.
Another biblical fact: Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Holy Spirit is God. Nowhere!
Christ also said, “the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). Clearly, Christ by his very statement of fact said they are NOT co-equal! This totally scotches the doctrine of the trinity that claims the Father, Son and Spirit are co-equal. Who on earth would dare call Christ a liar? It’s sheer foolishness!
How can anyone believe in the false doctrine of the trinity after reading the gospel of John? The gospel of John and other books of the Bible clearly testify that the doctrine of the triune god is a lie (John 1:1-3). The word “trinity” isn’t even written anywhere in the Bible, why would anyone believe it?
The world foolishly says about the Spirit of God that he is “God the Spirit”. Christ tells us that “God IS spirit” (John 4:24). Do you see how foolish this is already? Why does God need a Spirit if he already IS spirit? It is the Spirit of God. The word “OF” being paramount as the Spirit belongs to God and Christ; the word “OF” denotes possession/ownership. They own it and they sent it (John 16:15)
Don’t know who the Holy Spirit is? Simple, read John 1:51 and Hebrews 1:7, 1:14, and Psalm 104:4. There is our Helper in plain sight yet most are so blinded by the years of false teaching and lies they can’t see the truth. Angel of the Lord, Angel of God, Spirit of God, the Spirit of the Lord, the Spirit = Holy Spirit.
Read Hebrews 1:7 and Psalm 104:4. Now go to the Book of Acts and read Acts 2:1-4 (The Coming of the Holy Spirit). This isn’t hard to figure out. Still can’t see?
Paul cautioned us about false humility and the worship of angles (Col. 2:18). The Holy Spirit warned John twice in the Book of Revelation that he should not be worshiped (Rev. 19:10, 22:8-9).
Let’s really simplify this: If a fallen angel is a demon/evil spirit that belongs to Satan (Rev. 12:7), then an angel of God can only be what? A Holy Spirit because he belongs to God who is holy (Lev. 11:44, 1 Peter 1:16).
Think about it, if the Holy Spirit was a single 3rd person of the Godhead, how is it even possible we can we all have him? See how foolish this is already? Do I get the Holy Spirit today and borrow him to you tomorrow? Can you see how foolish this world’s wisdom is. The answer is found again in Matthew 18:10 for it is written:
“Beware that you don't look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven THEIR ANGELS are always in the presence of my heavenly Father.” (Matt. 18:10).
The words “their angels” (Holy Spirit) shows ownership. The Holy Spirit for each one of us was not sent until Christ came into his glory (John 7:39).
Let the Bible explain itself, it's quite simple and straightforward. The teaching is very simple without having to twist scripture and believe in something that just isn't there like the word “trinity”. Biblical truth is solely based on the word of God (John 17:17) and the word trinity is not in it.
It’s time to unlearn one of the greatest lies of so called “modern Christianity”. Believe in what Christ said and taught. Believe in what is actually and clearly written in the word of God and not in the invented mythology or eisegesis of men.
Get this, if you are worshiping the pagan invented god known as the “trinity”, you will never, ever receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32) as you are breaking the 1st Commandment, a spiritual law of God’s coming kingdom (Rom. 7:14, Rev. 11:19) by creating your own god made up in the mythology and eisegesis of men.
“that their hearts may be encouraged, being KNIT together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, BOTH of the FATHER AND OF CHRIST, IN WHOM are hidden ALL the treasures of WISDOM and KNOWLEDGE.” (Col. 2:2-3 NKJV).
Whom has ALL the treasures of wisdom and knowledge as you just read? The Father and Christ. Again, how many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?
Lay down your pride and what you think you know about God and the Bible and unlearn the lies. Repent and let God through the Holy Spirit teach you. Unless you become like a child, you will never enter the Kingdom of God. Forget what you think you know as the Lord has sent me to reveal the simplicity of his teaching in spirit and truth.
Finally, let’s read Proverbs 30:4 together:
“Who has ascended into heaven, or descended?
Who has gathered the wind in His fists?
Who has bound the waters in a garment?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is HIS NAME, and what is HIS SON’S NAME,
If you know?
One more time, how many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?
Still don’t believe it? Let’s continue reading the rest of it:
“Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
DO NOT ADD TO HIS WORD,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.” (Prov. 30:5-6)
FACT: The word “trinity” isn’t found anywhere in the Bible as it is “added” to His word. So now ask yourself, who is the liar?
If today you hear his voice, harden not your heart!
Repent for the Kingdom of God is near!
@@lcenteno262 Dude, you might as well get your own UA-cam channel and preach If you're going to leave a whole scroll of a comment that long! Are you kidding me? 📜📃🫨🤯
Well, the Spirit tells OTHERS GOD is three in one, so...
@@guyversesgirlarmwrestlinga7067well
The thing is
They added that to John 1:1-3
They changed scripture
The word was God and he was with God
I'm sorry you've been deceived so badly. Where have you got this string of false teaching from? Please, just read the early Father's and you'll see no Christian believed what you are saying.
I don’t know if it’s intentional or by error however, Immanuel in Yeshayah 7:14 and el gibbowr in Yeshayah 9:6 absolutely DO NOT have the same meaning! I am praying you are intentionally misleading people. Shalom
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
We all know this is talking about Jesus and we all know there is One God.
Jesus is not only called everlasting father in this text, He is called the Mighty God..
@trutub Matthew 1:23
“Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”
Isaiah 44:6
“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.
First verse is Jehovah speaking the following verse is Jesus speaking, both using the same title.
Revelation 2:8
And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, ‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life:
Jesus calls Himself the I AM in John 8:58, referencing Exodus 3:14, Jesus forgives Sin, something only God can do. Receives Worship, Matt. 8:2, 9:18 John 9:38 Hebrews 1:6 and many other times , something only God should receive. calls Himself the bridegroom, a title used by Jehovah in the Old testament. Isaiah 61:10 and several other places, the parallels are too many to anything other than Jesus, the Holy Spirit and Jehovah are the one God
@trutub Immanuel, God with us, Matthew 1:23 , The First and the Last Revelation 2:8 Jesus receives Worship Hebrews 1:6,
Yes my friend Jesus is called Mighty God and rightly so as the second most powerful being in the universe.
BUT perhaps do some of your own research and look at the terms ‘Mighty God” and “Almighty God”. They are in fact two different words in the Hebrew.
Almighty God is only ever ascribed to the God of Israel, YHWH. Never to Jesus. It’s not a contradiction at all to call Jesus a Mighty God totally accurate he is, he just isn’t Almighty God.
I’d encourage you to explore and research this my friend.
@@Cafez27 it is applied to Jesus in Revelation, not to mention, The First and Last and the Alpha and Omega, titles Jehovah uses. Revelation 1:8 is speaking of Jesus, and He is called The Almighty. On the same hand, Jehovah is called Mighty God several times, in the Old testament, probably more than He is called Almighty a quick word search should confirm that..I have done plenty of research on this
@@kevinjackson2361 not quite right again do your research there are 4 people talking in revelation, Jehovah, Jesus, the angel sent by Jesus and John. You are making incorrect application of this I’m afraid
THE CONCEPT, THEORIE,IDEAS ARE ALL FROMS MATTHEW CHAPTER 3: VERSE 16- VERSE 17., AND MATTHEW CHAPTER 28: VERSE 19-20. AND DOXOLOGY OF APOSTLE IN HIS LETTERS TO THE GENTILES PEOPLE BELIEVERS.
THE TRINITY DOCTRINE 3GODS 3PERSONS WAS BEGAN IN THE COUNCIL OF NICEA AND FORWARDS( CATHOLIC, THEN, THE LUTHERANS ( THE DAUGHTERS OF BABYLON CATHOLIC) , THEN, THE PROTESTANTS > THE METHODISTS, THEN, THE BRESBYTERIANS , THEN , THE DISCIPLES OF CHRIST, THEN, THE CHURCH OF CHRIST ( BEFORE POPULARLY KNOWN AS " CHURCH IN THE ORIENT " OTHERS WISE KNOWN AS " CHURCH IN THE EAST " ) , THEN , ASSEMBLY OF YAHWEH , THEN, CHURCH OF GOD, THEN, THE CHURCH OF THE LIVING GOD, THE, THE FOUR SQUARE CHRISTIAN CHURCH, ALL OF THESE ARE THE DAUGHTERS OF BABYLON SYSTEM RELIGIONS CATHOLIC BELIEF ( THE SO CALLED " THE HOLY TRINITY 3GODS 3PERSONS, THE TRIUNE 3GODS 3PERSONS, AND THE TRINITY 3GODS 3PERSONS +PLUS MARY JOSEPH ,THE SO CALLED " MARY THE MOTHER OF GOD DOCTRINE " STILL CATHOLIC BABYLONIAN SYSTEMS RELIGIONS BELIEF ABOUT THE TRINITY, TRIUNE FORMULA TEACHINGS.
MAY THE GOOD LORD JESUS CHRIST OUR GOD AND SAVIOR AND REDEEMER AND SALVATION, GIVES US SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURES 🙏 SHALOM PEACE LOVE AND TRUE FAITH.
GOD BLESS US ALL 🇵🇭 🙏 🇺🇸 SHALOM TO ISRAEL 🇮🇱 🙏 ❤
I agree with this pastor and would like to add an irrefutable point. 1 John 4: 1 - 3. John says that the person who confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is from God. Now if you obtain a list of names, attributes and offices of God, you will not find the name Christ or anointed one.
What Name is the name above ALL names?
@@thecalling6122even YWHW?
@@gregory7406 Nope. Acts 4:12; Rev. 19:16; Phil. 2:9. Jesus Christ. Every knee SHALL bow to that Name; of those in heaven AND on earth, and UNDER the earth.
@@thecalling6122 right. And what does it say after that? All glory to the FATHER. YWHW. Yahweh is the highest, not Jesus.
@@gregory7406 Your ignorance is showing.
"... God ... hath highly exalted Him, and given Him A NAME WHICH IS ABOVE EVERY NAME:" Phil. 2:9
Is YHWH a name, genius? Does the Bible declare that the Name of Jesus is ABOVE EVERY NAME?
Move along, little one. YOU TOO shall bow!
When Jesus say : if you see me you see the Father .... he was not talking abut is physical appearance :) This man in the video lost control ofthe biblical reality , the Spirit in Jesus is God NOT THE FLESH.
@@michelhaineault6654
Yep.Jesus is Anointed
ACTS10vs38
How God Anointed Jesus of Nazareth With the Holy Spirit and With Power, who went about Doing Good and Healing All who were oppressed by the devil, FOR GOD WAS WITH HIM.
John3vs32 And what He Has Seen and Heard (Rev1vs2.9), that He Testifies; and NO ONE Receives His Testimony. 33 He Who Has Received His Testimony Has Xertified that God is True. 34 For He Whom God Has Sent Speaks the Words of God, for God does not Give the Spirit by measure. 35 The Father loves the Son, and has Given All Things Into His hand.(Matt28vs18) 36 He Who Believes in the Son Has Everlasting Life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
The trinity doctrine is just an invented, CONVENTIONAL doctrine. From a philosophical point of view it's a nonsensical theory, worthless. It's also directly contrary to the Jesus' clear words: indeed Jesus declares to be not almighty and to be just in the company of the Father, not with Father and Holy Spirit.
THE TRIUNE GODHEAD, THE TRINITY.
The bible says Jesus is from ancient times, from of old, from everlasting, and from eternity. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH THE FATHER. It also tells us that he created everything that has ever been created, and nothing that has been created was created without him. All things are held together by him. We clearly know that in the beginning the father wasn't alone. In the book of Genesis, the Holy Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. We also know that when God created man, he was not alone because he said let US create man in our image.
In Psalms 89:27 it says "I will also make him my firstborn, greatest of the kings of the earth." God the Father exalted Jesus while he was in the flesh. Philippians 2:5-6 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ who was God in his very nature did not consider using the fact that he was God to his advantage while he was in human form. But Jesus made himself nothing by taking on the role of a servant.
We know that he is eternal and our creator. Not to mention, the bible clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is a person who knows the mind of God. The spirit of God has emotions, the Holy spirit teaches, testifies, guides, speaks, enlightens, strives, commands, intercedes, sends workers, comforts, and he also works. When dealing with Ananais, Peter told him that he had not lied to man, but he had lied to God because Ananais had lied to the Holy Spirit. The bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent when it says where can I go from your spirit. The Holy Spirit is known as He. The holy spirit was involved in the creation and HE is also known as another helper.
"In Matthew 4:16-17 we see that the Father speaks out of heaven when Jesus is baptized - a clear distinction. We also read in John 17:1 that Jesus prayed to the Father, and he carefully made a distinction between the two in saying "Father... glorify your Son, that the Son may glorify You." In fact, 1 John 2:1 tells us that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father. It doesn't make sense to equate Jesus and the Father as the same person, as these verses would be rendered nonsense.
John 14:20 again demonstrates the personhood of both the Son and Father when Jesus said "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." Since we realize that we are different persons than Jesus, this verse would argue that the Father is likewise distinct from the Son and not the same person.
Also we see the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. In John 14:26 Jesus again makes this explicit where He teaches "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things." Previous to this Jesus identified the Spirit as "another helper" (John 14:6). That word "another" is key. We also saw the Spirit in the Matthew 4 passage above descend on Jesus as a dove.
We know the Spirit is a person, because He has all the attributes of a person and not just "God's holy force" as some are wanting to believe. You cannot lie to an active force, nor can you grieve one (see Eph 4:30). Thus the Bible is clear in presenting each of the three members of the trinity as separate persons - each distinct - but each fully the one true God."
THE FATHER IS GOD.
THE SON IS GOD.
THE HOLYSPIRIT IS GOD.
NOT 3 GOD'S, BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD.
THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE.
@@reynaldoperez7285
What you say is wrong. You are sure that all is wrong because its ULTIMATE CONCLUSION IS WRONG: the trinity! If the trinity were true, then Jesus would say "I am in a trinity with Father and Holy Spirit". It NEVER happens. On the contrary Jesus crystal clear states "I am with the Father". PERIOD. Repeated four gospels long!!! Where is the error in your reasoning? You don't understand WHAT WAS MEANT FOR "SPIRIT", namely the Holy Spirit is not a THIRD Person distinct from the Father. He is distinct from the Father in that He is a Spirit, but He is not a distinct PERSON: He is the SAME God, just in a different form.
The Helper is not a third person (in fact he does not appear anywhere else in the gospels, NEVER with Father and Son to form a trinity!). He is just a “fictitious spirit" as here explained. Jesus states “I will come to you.”. But this of course won't happen in flesh and bones! It will happen that Jesus - who is in heaven, in another dimension - will simply SPEAK TO THE MINDS of the apostles. However, at that time people were not familiar with "remotely spoken words", or remote actions. For this reason the apostles would simply understand and witness that “the SPIRIT OF JESUS is inside them and is speaking to them,”. But in reality NO ONE, nothing will be inside the apostles, Jesus will be elsewhere speaking, in heaven.
A similar thing happens with the Father: “the Spirit of [your] Father is speaking in you.” (in your mind). The Father is elsewhere - in another dimension - but is present as a Spirit (the Holy Spirit) inside the apostles to speak to them.
Thus, according to the apostles the “Spirits of the Son and the Father” would be inside them, but the truth is that there is NOTHING inside them: the Son and the Father - who are AWAY, in other dimensions - are just speaking to their minds, that's all. The fact that NO THINKING Spirit is inside the apostles is confirmed by Jesus: the spoken words actually come from SOMEWHERE ELSE, they are just REPEATED “ for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, (from the Son, the Father...) that shall he speak .”
Thus the Holy Spirit is DISTINCT from the Father, but when you talk to the Holy Spirit you exactly talk to the Father. This is why blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a very serious offense.
Thus, no human relationship exists between Father and Holy Spirit because they are the same. Only the Father in the form of a spirit is here on earth and in heaven (see Jn.4:23,24). NOBODY has ever seen the Father IN PERSON (Jn. 1:18) the world did not know Him (Jn. 17:25) only the Son did it (i.e. just in the past, not any longer).
the trinity is false, but Christ is God. the trinity comes out of platonistic philosophy directly. It is not founded in scriptures.
@@reynaldoperez7285
Your long comment is wrong. You are sure that all is wrong because its ULTIMATE CONCLUSION IS WRONG: the trinity! If the trinity were true, then Jesus would say "I am in a trinity with Father and Holy Spirit". It NEVER happens. On the contrary Jesus crystal clear states "I am with the Father". PERIOD. This means that NO FURTHER DIVINE PERSONS can exist. Repeated four gospels long!!! Where is the fatal error? You don't understand WHAT WAS MEANT FOR "SPIRIT", namely the Holy Spirit is not a THIRD Person distinct from the Father. He is distinct from the Father in that He is a Spirit, but He is not a distinct PERSON: He is the SAME God, just in a different form.
The Helper is not a third person (in fact he does not appear anywhere else in the gospels, NEVER with Father and Son to form a trinity!). He is just a “fictitious spirit" as here explained. Jesus states “I will come to you.”. But this of course won't happen in flesh and bones! It will happen that Jesus - who is in heaven, in another dimension - will simply SPEAK TO THE MINDS of the apostles. However, at that time people were not familiar with "remotely spoken words", or remote actions. For this reason the apostles would simply understand and witness that “the SPIRIT OF JESUS is inside them and is speaking to them,”. But in reality NO ONE, nothing will be inside the apostles, Jesus will be elsewhere speaking, in heaven.
A similar thing happens with the Father: “the Spirit of [your] Father is speaking in you.” (in your mind). The Father is elsewhere - in another dimension - but is present as a Spirit (the Holy Spirit) inside the apostles to speak to them.
Thus, according to the apostles the “Spirits of the Son and the Father” would be inside them, but the truth is that there is NOTHING inside them: the Son and the Father - who are AWAY, in other dimensions - are just speaking to their minds, that's all. The fact that NO THINKING Spirit is inside the apostles is confirmed by Jesus: the spoken words actually come from SOMEWHERE ELSE, they are just REPEATED “ for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, (from the Son, the Father...) that shall he speak .”
The Holy Spirit is thus DISTINCT from the Father, but when you talk to the Holy Spirit you exactly talk to the Father.
Therefore no human relationship exists between Father and Holy Spirit: they are the same God in different forms.
Jesus confirms that the FATHER IS A SPIRIT (see Jn. 4:23,24). He is either called "Holy Father" or "Holy Spirit" by Jesus, they are just EQUIVALENT names. This is why blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a very serious offense.
Only the Father in the form of a spirit is here on earth and in heaven, NOBODY has ever seen the Father IN PERSON (Jn. 1:18) the world did not know Him (Jn. 17:25) only the Son did it (i.e. just in the past, not any longer).
@@JoshuaHults Yes.
Question if the 1 true God YHWH does not exist as 3 separate distint persons of 1 essence and nature equal and 1 in the same, then why did He say "let US make man in Our image and OUR likeness" (Genesis 1:26)? If Jesus is not God and only his son and a representation of the Father why do we worship Him as Christians? Wouldn't that be Idolatry? If the Holy Spirit is just his power and not a distinct person how can we grieve the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:30)? Also if the Holy Spirit is just God power how come is you blaspheme the Holy Spirit that is the unforgivable sin (Mathew 12:31-32)?
us refers to the two natures of Christ. in genesis we read YHWH rained fire and brimstone from YHWH, the distinction being between the visible fleshly manifestation of YHWH who met with Abraham and the invisible Spirit YHWH ( see john 4:24 God is Spirit ).. Us therefore refers to the two natures of YHWH not 2 distinct people.YHWH is not a different person from YHWH, yet YHWH rains FROM YHWH. There is certainly a distinction being made, but not that of people, but natures! If you read Luke 1 you will read that "He will be called the Son because the Spirit will cause the conception." Son therefore refers to the humanity of Christ. John 1 says the Word is God, John 4:24 God is Spirit, thus Christ is the Spirit manifested in the flesh. See Romans 8:9 which says it plainly, the Spirit of God = Spirit of Christ. So Christ is the Son according to his humanity, and Father / Holy Spirit according to his divine Spirit. Christ is fully man fully God. Note also Jesus said "destroy this temple and in three days i will raise it up again!" In acts we read " God raised Jesus" thus the "I" is a direct claim of deity,, God is Spirit thus it was the Spirit who raised Christ's flesh, and Christ refers to the Holy Spirit as "I." This is why the scriptures use Holy Spirit in us interchangeably with Christ in us. As nobody believes a jewish man is in them in a literal sense, we understand it is the Spirit of Christ who is the Holy Spirit in us! In genesis the Spirit is creating, in new testament we read all things were made through Christ, again because the Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit and thus the Holy Spirit in genesis creating is Christ creating ! The Word ( Christ ) became flesh = the Spirit manifested in the temple of man. Christ had 2 wills as a result of his two natures, the human will and the divine will. According to his humanity he willed to eat sleep and grew in wisdom, according to his divine will forgave sins, raised his own body, never grows hungry or tired and is omnipresent... This is why the humanity ( The Son ) was in submission to the Spirit, not 1 person inferior to another, but rather the human nature of Christ in communion and submission to the Spirit of Christ. Jesus said the Father was greater, the Spirit is eternal omnipresent all powerful, the humanity of Christ had a beginning, was not omnipresent, relied on the Spirit for power... In no way does this mean that Christ is not God, it is referring to the two natures of Christ in contrast to each other, not 2 distinct people.
Because the father and mother created children. 2000 years ago the father had his own son and his son is almost at the age of getting married. The father picked the bride. The Bible is the story of mankind and where we came from and how we should live. When a child gets hurt and needs comfort, who does he go to? Mom or dad?
Bible doesnt explicitly say that Christ had 2 nature...nothing of that sort.
@@roeltingzon758 except it does. 1 says the Word was God, then in John 4:24 that God is Spirit. Thus the Spirit became flesh. Spirit = nature 1, Flesh = nature 2. In Luke 1 we read he "will be called" the Son because the Spirit will cause the conception. The term Son refers to the humanity of Christ, not His divine Spirit, His humanity was begotten not His Spirit. Thus we see fully man fully God expressed in humanity + Spirit = 1 person.
@@JoshuaHults but actually the Jews never debated the true nature of Christ because they knew him to be only a man. Theres no confirmation from the scriptures that he was some God-Man or that he had a dual nature. Stating that Jesus is God casts doubt about his death whether if it was real or not...because if he was also God in the flesh then that could mean Jesus wasn't 100% dead...that he only pretended to suffer and then play dead for 3 days! That doesnt sound right or logical at all - Jesus then could have been deceiving people and his apostles. Imagine that he was merely putting on some passion play and just pretended to be dead.
Christian Theologist here, thought I'd weigh in.
#1. God declares himself that you shall have no God's before him.
#2. God identifies himself to Moses as "I AM".
#3. Jesus identifies himself as "I AM".
#4. Jesus is Baptized and God opens up the Heavens and audibly declares to everyone there "this is my son in whom I am deeply pleased".
#5. Jesus rose Lazaruth from the dead.
#6. Jesus declared "I am the truth, the way and the life, none come to the Father except through me".
#7. Jesus prophesied his own cruxification AND resurrection 3 days later.
#8. Jesus did infact RESSURECT 3 days after the cruxification.
#9. Jesus declares that when he leaves us, that "the comforter" will come and be with us all, that it will be BETTER for us to have the comforter in our presence then himself as he were.
#10. Jesus Commanded us to Baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Conclusion: God is the Father, Jesus is the Son of God and inherits all equal power and authority and lastly there IS a Holy Spirit or "comforter" that is given to us all and comes from God/Jesus.
The blind beggar (whose story is told only a few verses after Jesus says "I am") in John 9:9, also says "I am". For some reason, the Bible translators added the word 'he'' after what the blind man said, but they decided not to include it when Jesus said the exact same thing. The cursive/italic writing denotes that the word was not in the original text, so we can clearly see the translators had a trinitarian bias.
I think we must also bear in mind that the New Testament was translated from the Greek and the Old Testament from the Hebrew. There are many scholars who agree that what God said in the OT was more likely to be translated to "I will be what I will be".
@@laura-loves-god Nice break down, Laura.
@@laura-loves-god
Those "scholars" who translate εγω ειμι as "I will be" do not stand up to scrutiny.
Just open your own Bible to John 8 and read the whole chapter. Any time you see "I am" is how they translate εγώ ειμί.
Why they include things in italics is for clarity sake. Showing from experience, unless you've done translation work yourself you can't judge correctly whether it's bias or not. Otherwise any heretic will use the same argument against you.
I'm not saying that translators won't have a bias, Jehovah's Witnesses Bible's are super biased. But Koine Greek can communicate much with less words, so care needs to be taken when scrutinizing a translation.
Jesus does NOT identify himself as "I am". In Exodus "I am" is used as a title. In John 8:58 it is a simple verb. That is not the same at all.
You need to read the Bible for what it says rather than to read into it
Jesus said I am the messiah and NOT I am God.
Moreover, Jesus said to her, do not cling to me for I have not ascended to the Father; but go tell my brothers and say to them, ‘ am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God,” John 20:17-18.
The Trinity is a false Pagan doctrine nothing more than
Where in the hebrew scriptures that it says that God have a son call jesus
Are you aware that .. Many Bible translators removed God's Holy name
nearly 7000 times and replaced it with LORD.
They even admit it.
SEE the following quote ..
" .. the distinctive Hebrew name for God - usually transliterated Jehovah, is in this translation represented by "LORD"
-- Today's English Version Bible (preface)
Jesus is NOT God.
@@KK-AA-YY You are twisting the Facts to suit your False theories,,, God’s Name is..,. JESUS ✝️❣️
@@maxprescott9371
Here's what the Bible says . . .
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1 KINGS 18:39
""And all the people will see and fall upon their face, and say, Jehovah, he is God; Jehovah he is God.""
-- Smith's Literal Translation
@ “ Jehovah “ is an invented word by Translators,, YHWH is God’s Name and in the New Testament God’s Name is revealed as …. JESUS ✝️❣️
@maxprescott9371
No Sir,
Many people in the Bible were named after God . . .
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Jehoadah
Jehoaddan
Jehoahaz
Jehoash
Jehohanan
Jehoiada
Jehoiakim
Jehoiarib
Jehonadab
Jehonathan
Jehoram
Jehoshaphat
Jehosheba
Jehoshua
Jehozabad
Jehozadak
* The Bible tells us just exactly who God is.
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PSALMS 83:18
"And they shall know that thou, thy name Jehovah alone, the Most High over all the earth."
-- Smith's Literal Translation
* Did you see that ?
Jehovah ( ALONE )
is God.
* That means NOBODY ELSE is God !!
@ The Old Testament is to be interpreted in light of the New Testament,,, and the NT teaches that JESUS is GOD, along with The Father and The Holy Spirit
There is a lot of talk here, what has nothing to do with the trinity. But Isa 9:6 and John 1:1-4+14 has to do with the trinity. Be careful, he is twisting the words, as every cult does (Jer 17:5). Yeshua is divine (John 8:24). The word is truth, as the Lord is the way, truth and life (John 14:6ff).
The author denies that the word (logos) is a person, that is formed, not created (Isa 43:10), which is the only Savior. God dies for us, God has to become a human to do that, He comes from Heaven in Yeshua. The Father left Him (Ps 22), one is invisible, a Spirit and the other has a body of flesh, two separate beings. But one=echad God together with HIS Holy Spirit (Isa 48:16;John 8:16) have sent Me. The invisible God manifest to us in 3 visible persons, that is one YHVH (Gen 18:1+2; 19:24). Yeshua and the Father is dwelling in the believer (John 14:23) through the Holy Spirit. Yeshua hears prayers to the Father in His name and answers them, He is omnipresent (John 14:13). Yeshua was God, is and will be (Heb (1:6+8). All will bow and confess, that Yeshua is LORD (Isa 45:23; Phil 2:10+11). Compare Mk 1:3 with Isa 40:3, the same words.
The Trinity is manmade nonsense. one true and most high God the father Yah.
Regarding your comments on John 1:1, keep in mind that the full armor of God says, the sword of the Spirit is "the word of God."
Revelation 1:17. Jesus said: I am the First and the Last. Revelation 22: 13. I am Alpha and Omega, The First and the Last, The Beginning and the End. That is How God also Intrudced Himself in the Old testatment. your tag at 19:59- Jesus Said on John 8:48-59 " Before Abraham I was I AM. " Jesus was before the foundations of the earth. The bible said He was slain before the earth was formed.
Jesus is not Almighty God according to the Scriptures and no amount of abusing the text, as you are doing, will make it so.
Jesus HAS a God according to Scripture (John 20:17, Rev. 3:12, Eph. 1:3, 17, 2 Cor. 11:31, 1 Pet. 1:3, etc.) who he calls "the only true God" (John 17:3) whom he prays to and submits to his will (John 17, Matt. 26:39). Jesus' God did miracles THROUGH Jesus (Acts 2:22) and MADE Jesus Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36). Jesus' God was WITH him (Acts 10:38) and IN him (2 Cor. 5:19). God is the head of Christ (1 Cor. 11:3) and Jesus is subordinate to him (1 Cor. 15:27).
You lack context and understanding of the "proof texts" you mentioned. Read the entire Bible instead of memorizing passages that are stripped of context.
"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
1 Timothy 2:5
@@Willie_Wahzoo Jesus is God. He was killed because His claimed . Read your Bible again. He forgave sin. They then accused Him of blasphemy because only God can forgive Sin. Again, He said in His own words in Revelation. I’m the First and the Last, Alpha and Omega. I don’t know what context you need there. They Hated him even more As He claimed to be THE Son of God. And don’t insult me by saying I lack context and understanding. The Bible is pretty clear on this matter. And I have not touched on the Deity of the Holy Spirit.
Father the God, The son Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not God Trinity....they are humans trying to appear as 3 Gods!!!
God is not Human. The bible literally said; “ God is Spirit and those that worship Him, must worship in truth and spirit. “ john 4: 24.
God does not have to pray and God would not pray to himself God created man in his own image that doesn't mean we are all gods
We don't have any original writings of the NT, so the OP means something different.
The longer reading of 1 John 5:7-8 is absent from the extant Greek MSS for ~1300 years.
The longer reading of 1 John 5:7-8 is absent from the earliest extant ancient translation MSS.
@@InfinitelyManic The verse is quoted as Scripture by Cipreon in 250 a.d. > Close enough for me! Keeping my King James Bible!
@@maxprescott9371 [The verse is quoted as Scripture by Cipreon in 250 a.d. ] -- No, we don't know which segment of "And these three are one." Cyprian is quoting or alluding to in the Latin, since it occurs twice. He could have relied on a Latin copy that had the shorter reading of 1 John 5:7-8.
Also, no one is telling you to toss your KJV, but I do encourage you to acquire a real 1611 Holy Bible a/k/a KJV replica edition, which includes the Apocrypha & cross references to/from the Canon, marginal notes, monthly Anglican devotional/liturgical calendars that also provide the Zodiac sun signs.
@ Hello and thank you for taking the time to share a comment :) What do you think of this conclusion ?
~ God revealed Himself to the Israelites using the Hebrew Scriptures.
~Then God revealed Himself to the ancient known world using the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, The Septuagint.
~ Then God used the Greek Septuagint to pave the way for His Greek New Testament after Our Saviour, The LORD Jesus Christ was revealed to the world.
~ Today, God is using the worlds universal language, English, to reveal Himself to the world, and the primary source, a standard, is the time honoured and tested King James Version ( revision of 1756 )
@@maxprescott9371 [( revision of 1756 )]
@ hello again, thanks for sharing….. Got the year wrong,, it was the 1769 Oxford revision I had in mind ,,, I know there have been numerous revisions of the 1611 authorized version,, which I do not own by the way, find the old, old English sometimes difficult.📖
The same way Jesus the Christ did not literally come down from heaven should be the same position you take for "the word became flesh and dwelt among us." seriously....where is the word among us now....or how is the word among us now? It's among us by dwelling IN each believer.
So, my translation of 1:14 is; and the word came to humanity and dwelt in us....etc."
The word never literally became Jesus.....that translation is absurd.
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The trinity was created by the catholic church because they were accused of worshipping 3 Gods. The Bible is so clear that Jesus is GODS son. The messiah. King of Kings.
Thanks for clear explanation on one GOD!!!!
false expanation easy to refute
Also Revelation 1 proves God is Father, Christ is Son, and the messenger is an angel.
Absolutely true trinity it doesn’t make sense at all
@@Yenhal7
THE TRIUNE GODHEAD, THE TRINITY.
The bible says Jesus is from ancient times, from of old, from everlasting, and from eternity. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH THE FATHER. It also tells us that he created everything that has ever been created, and nothing that has been created was created without him. All things are held together by him. We clearly know that in the beginning the father wasn't alone. In the book of Genesis, the Holy Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. We also know that when God created man, he was not alone because he said let US create man in our image.
In Psalms 89:27 it says "I will also make him my firstborn, greatest of the kings of the earth." God the Father exalted Jesus while he was in the flesh. Philippians 2:5-6 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ who was God in his very nature did not consider using the fact that he was God to his advantage while he was in human form. But Jesus made himself nothing by taking on the role of a servant.
We know that he is eternal and our creator. Not to mention, the bible clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is a person who knows the mind of God. The spirit of God has emotions, the Holy spirit teaches, testifies, guides, speaks, enlightens, strives, commands, intercedes, sends workers, comforts, and he also works. When dealing with Ananais, Peter told him that he had not lied to man, but he had lied to God because Ananais had lied to the Holy Spirit. The bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent when it says where can I go from your spirit. The Holy Spirit is known as He. The holy spirit was involved in the creation and HE is also known as another helper.
"In Matthew 4:16-17 we see that the Father speaks out of heaven when Jesus is baptized - a clear distinction. We also read in John 17:1 that Jesus prayed to the Father, and he carefully made a distinction between the two in saying "Father... glorify your Son, that the Son may glorify You." In fact, 1 John 2:1 tells us that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father. It doesn't make sense to equate Jesus and the Father as the same person, as these verses would be rendered nonsense.
John 14:20 again demonstrates the personhood of both the Son and Father when Jesus said "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." Since we realize that we are different persons than Jesus, this verse would argue that the Father is likewise distinct from the Son and not the same person.
Also we see the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. In John 14:26 Jesus again makes this explicit where He teaches "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things." Previous to this Jesus identified the Spirit as "another helper" (John 14:6). That word "another" is key. We also saw the Spirit in the Matthew 4 passage above descend on Jesus as a dove.
We know the Spirit is a person, because He has all the attributes of a person and not just "God's holy force" as some are wanting to believe. You cannot lie to an active force, nor can you grieve one (see Eph 4:30). Thus the Bible is clear in presenting each of the three members of the trinity as separate persons - each distinct - but each fully the one true God."
THE FATHER IS GOD.
THE SON IS GOD.
THE HOLYSPIRIT IS GOD.
NOT 3 GOD'S, BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD.
THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE.
Mark 12.29 ¶And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Deu 6.4¶Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
1Jhn 5.7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
They want to twist 1Jhn 5.7 into a trinity , but Makk 12.29 sets them straight.
Peace
you will believe only what you want to believe. And until Jesus takes the veil from your eyes there is nothing I can do to change it.
In Gen 1:26 when God says, 'let us make man in our image', he is likely speaking to the angels, because they stand in his presence (Lu 1:19, Job 1:6).
Jesus was Emmanuel because his father worked in him and did the works. Ac 10:38 'God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; *for God was with him* .' So, God was with Israel by being with his son. And those who understood how Jesus was God's messenger doing God's will, could appreciate that God was with them, without having to believe that Jesus was actually God.
In 1 Cor 10:4 it says they drank of the spiritual drink, of that rock, which was Christ. Which doesn't need to mean that Christ was then in existence. Jesus speaks about the living water in John 4, which is his teaching and that of believing in him (Jo 7:37,38). Those in Moses' day didn't have Jesus' teaching, neither was he there for them to believe in. But they did have the law which foreshadowed him, and God said that a prophet like Moses would he raise up in the future. So, for example, those who were aware would see Jesus continually being prophesied, in every offering, and in the work of the priests.
Verse 9 has a similar idea where it says 'Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.' The issue referred to in the wilderness, was not that they were tempting Jesus, who wasn't even present, but that they said 'there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loathes this light bread' (Nu 21:5). They were counting God's provision as nothing and testing God to see if he would provide more, when he had already provided sufficient. And the point is, that Manna signified Jesus who would come in the future as the bread of life. In a similar way those in the 1st century, who held onto the law of Moses, were in effect saying that God's provision of Christ was not sufficient to give them life.
@@eddieyoung2104 you are missing many verses to receive yourself of this hogwash. Jesus was the the word on the beginning with His and was God. the spiritual rock led them through the wilderness read John 1 and 1 Corinthians 10 1-4. Jesus was sinless and they tried and killed him for blasphemy saying He was God. He can't be sinless if he lied. This means He was and is God
@@ianmonk6211 - Yes, I have read 1 Cor 10 and I quoted it, and explained its meaning. John 1 says the word was in the beginning, not Jesus. If the beginning refers to the creation, then God spoke his word, and it was created. By that same word he gave prophecy of his coming anointed one, and when Jesus was born, the word which God spoke about him, became a reality. Or in other words, it became flesh. The beginning could also refer to the beginning of the gospel where Gabriel spoke God's word to Mary, promising a son. And 9 months later that word became flesh.
They killed him for blasphemy, but not because he said he was God. All four gospel accounts show it was because he claimed to be the son of God, that they condemned him.
Lu 22:70,71: 'Then said they all, Art thou then the *Son of* God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am'. And they said, What need we any further witness? for we ourselves have heard of his own mouth'.
Mt 26:63-65: 'And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, *the Son of* God. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy'.
Mr 14:61-64: 'Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, *the Son of* the Blessed? And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses? Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death'.
Jo 19:7 'The Jews answered him (Pilate), We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself *the Son of* God'.
@@eddieyoung2104 sir you are deceived Jesus is God the creator
@@ianmonk6211 - Apart from saying I am deceived, do you have any reason to contradict those four gospel passages I quoted? They all clearly show that Jesus was condemned because he admitted to being the son of God, and not because he claimed to be God.
@maxprescott9371
God's holy name,
Jehovah,
is in the New Testament 297 times in the
- (Divine Name King James Bible).
Here are some Examples . . .
ACTS 2:21
" And it shall come to pass, that whosoever Shall call on the name of the LORD, (Jehovah Jol 2:31, 32) shall be saved."
ACTS 2:25
" For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the LORD, (Jehovah Ps 16:8) always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved"
1 CORINTHIANS
1:31
" That according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the LORD (Jehovah Jer 9:24).
2 CORINTHIANS
6:18
" And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the LORD, (Jehovah Isa 43:3,6; Hos 1:10) Almighty."
GALATIONS 3:6
" Even as Abraham believed God (Jehovah Gen 15:6), and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
Its simple really. Yehovah is God. Jesus is his son. And the holy spirt if Jehovahs active force
Jehovah's witnesses have tenfold the amount of absurd and dangerous doctrines. The holy spirit is described in the bible as involved in creation, teaching, and a variety of other actions as an individual. The active force JW doctrine is total BS.
Elohim in Genesis is plural, you know that part in the beginning of the book when Elohim said "Let us make man in our image." Who was speaking and to whomwas being spoken to, consider Elohim is plural. Elohim does not invlude the angels. It really is plain.
The Father Yahweh, is speaking to Jesus, before his descension to Earth.
You are so close to seeing the truth of Scripture. But to deny our Lord's pre-existence and divinity is pure blasphemy. Both are abundantly made clear in Scripture. Jesus is literally THE God (YHVH)? Absolutely not. But Christ makes it clear that He is a god who serves THE God, especially in John 10. In the Old Testament, ALL Sons of God ARE called the elohim (gods) by God Himself (Psalms 82). We are not monotheistic and we need to remove the thought that an "angel" is some kind of species in heaven. It's just a job description. All "angels" are Sons of God and are called gods by God. Jesus does not object to Thomas calling Jesus "my god" yet in John 17, Jesus calls the Father "My God." Proverbs 8 and Colossians makes it clear that Christ existed before creation and was used as the craftsman for creation. And Jude tells us that the "angel of the LORD" who has the name of God in Him in Exodus was Jesus!
Leave it to a trinitarian to be incapable of accepting Christ's divinity without the trinitt
There’s only one true God and it is the father. Jesus mention this name many times and he does have beginning. He was born of the father. He was begotten of the father thus he’s divine being he is not the god almighty, but he’s a son of God Almighty divine being who has been given all the authority and heaven and in on earth
I agree with you except for you seem to have Jesus at the same level of other angels or sons of God. He is not. He is the only begotten son of God, meaning that he wasn’t created but generated of the Father and has the same nature. Jesus is much more better than the angels for scripture says: “let all the angels of God worship him”.
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.( 's ) G2316
1Co 3:23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's. G2316.
In John 1:1 the word “theos” (god) appears two times. The first time when it refers to God it has the definite article “the” (ho theos). The second time when it refers to the Word it does not have a definite article. It is indefinite. This shows that God and the Word are not the same. That is why some Bible translators render the second part of the verse “and a god was the word” or “the word was divine.” Note also that John 1:1 says that "the Word was with God". Someone who is with another person is not the same as that other person.
@@jollyrancher521 You just typed a word that word is not you but it is yours.
The Trinity describes what is taught in the Old Testament and New Testament:
Read it: Philippians 2:5-9
Hebrews 1:5-7
John 14:2
🚨Trinitarian believe in One God, Yahweh.
🚨 The word “Trinity” is a descriptive word describing what the Bible teaches in the Old and New Testament. Tertullian, an early Christian theologian from Carthage, is known to be the first to use the word “Trinity” to describe the Bible over a 100 years before the Council of Nicaea.
📖 Read the verses below:
- Phil 2:5-9, teach Jesus is a part of the One God who is distinct God the Father.
- Hebrew 1:5-12, teaches Jesus is not an Angel; and, God the Father tells us the Son is God.
- John 14:26, The Spirit is God but is also distinct from God. That’s why the Father can send Him.
- Revelations 22:13, Jesus is eternal, Jesus is the Alpha and Omega. This is Fact per Jesus.
✝️ The Trinity believes only in the One God Yahweh, who within is nature is Father, Son, and Spirit. Father, Son and Spirit together is who the One and Only God, Yahweh is.
Tertullian said that the son and Father were not the same God. That ends the T argument for the Trinity (modern-day golden calf)
Who was Jesus Christ’s God ?? Who did Jesus seek a plan B from that night in the garden ? Who did Jesus call upon on the cross before death ??Jesus was more like Adam. Jesus was created from the flesh maybe the way Adam was created from the dust.
Deuteronomy 32:39-One God and no other God with me.
Deuteronomy 18:15-22, this is Jesus. One of Moses’ brothers. begotten -born.
Jesus may have lived inside the heart of the Father from the beginning, but he is not the Word even in John 1:1
@@jameydog8 🛑 YOU ARE INCORRECT; TERTULLIAN BELIEVED AND TAUGHT THE TRINITY. 🚨 READ THE FACTS THE TRUTH ABOUT TERTULLIAN BELOW!
Before the Council of Nicaea; the word Trinity had been used to describe what the Bible teaches.
⭐️ The first Church Father to use the term "Trinity" (Latin: "Trinitas") was Tertullian. He was an early Christian theologian from Carthage (modern-day Tunisia) who lived around 155-
240 AD. Tertullian is known for his contributions to early Christian theology and for being one of the first to articulate the concept of the Trinity in his work "Adversus Praxean," where he explained the relationship between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
@@jameydog8 Good points. Tertullian had an entirely different idea about his trinity than the current, modern definition. John 17.3 comes to mind. Christ is talking to his God, and saying that He -- the Father -- is the "only True God." This destroys the Trinity doctrine, but clever Satan has ways to make pretzels out of any straightforward logic. People bowing down to the Father of Lies, thinking that all they see are the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost -- a False God by the definitions of Christ and Deuteronomy.
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🚨Jesus is God!
If you think otherwise, the Bible disagrees with you.
📖 Read the Scriptures below in the KJV, but for more clarity read the AMPC.
1. Phil 2:5-8, Teaches Jesus is God and He is not the Father; but Jesus is God.
2. Rev 22:12-13, Jesus claims to be God identifying Himself the as the Father in Rev 1:8 as the Alpha and Omega.
3. Also in the Tanakh: Is 48:16-17, it’s Jesus who is sent by the Father and the Spirit.
4. Zech 12:10, It is Jesus who was pierced.
5. Is 53, Jesus fulfilled the prophecy.
6. Hebrew 1, The Father, teaches us Jesus is not an Angel and Jesus is God. And The Father confirms Jesus is God by Name.
💡The Bible doesn’t contradict Itself, you have to learn complete context for Truth.
🚨Bible Fact: The Father is God; Jesus is God, The Holy Spirit is God; and They are The One Almighty Yahweh.
@@MrLeAnthony Thank you, LeAnthony.
Philippians 2:5-8 does not say Jesus is God. It says, "he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped."
We can all be in the form of God if we follow God's commandments. And because Jesus was in perfect harmony with God, he was the first amongst us to be in the form of God. You are confusing harmony with identity; they are NOT the same thing.
But you miss the part where it says "did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped." What does this mean? I'm sure you could come up with an interpretation to match your doctrine, but there is also an interpretation which means that even Christ could not fathom being equal with God Almighty -- the one he served.
Moreover, you miss the even bigger context in verse 9: "Therefore God has highly exalted him." God exalted someone who was NOT God, but deserved to be exalted. This means that Jesus Christ had NOT been exalted before God decided to exalt him. And unexalted, Jesus was NOT God. Does exaltation make Jesus into God? No, there is only one God, and Jesus is not it.
Your reference to Revelation is also misguided. Alpha and Omega applies to all of us when we follow God's commandments. And since Jesus is in harmony with God, these are Christ's commandments, too. Think long and hard about what other names apply to Jesus. Within those you will find clues to something far closer to truth. What are ALL the names given to Jesus Christ?
Every verse which CAN be interpreted to mean "Jesus is God," can ALSO be interpreted to mean "Jesus is NOT God." The basis for this belief is thus weak, at best.
Now, consider,
"And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent" (John 17:3, ESV).
Jesus praying to his God -- the only True God -- the one who sent Jesus to Earth. Forcing this verse to mean "Jesus is God" is not at all logical. And mangling logic to force it to mean this is the work of Confusion,... and you must know who that is.
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Think too of John 20:17
Jesus said that, "His GOD & FATHER is OUR God & Father" He is GOING to His GOD & FATHER.
THE TRINITY IS BEYOND REFUTE !! its 100% biblical proof
@@childofGOD1962 nope
You must have a severe adversity to truth. Trinity is a false doctrine inspired by satan
God is One. Not triune.
@@RNWFoster according to the tenach GOD is a one GOD in a plural form "let US make mankind in OUR image "
@@childofGOD1962 False. Thats not what it means
Now remember scripture says to give an answer for your hope or expectation in Messiah, read it in context, it does not say for your religious beliefs. It literally tells you whenever asked. Because it tells you not to argue Torah, that is the instructions the guidance the right rulings and the laws, as this creates division, and there are 145,000 different divisions/factions of Christianity, and the Father says he's going to destroy them all because he hates divisions/factions.
The doctrine of the Trinity ist the First and clearest doctrine of the Bible.
If you've never read it, that might be so. The "doctrine" of the trinity is nowhere to be found in Scripture.
@@MarvelNot The Word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, but the context makes it clear, that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God, but three different persons. Look at the council of Nicae in 325 AD. That topic was settled once and for all in the Christian Church.
@sharegreats2157 Try a book by Richard Rubenstein "When Jesus Became God" for more on the Council of Nicaea and early Christology. He is Jewish and a professor of conflict resolution with no dog in this fight and no preconceived doctrines to adhere to.
The truth will set you free, and the opposite is equally as true a lie will keep you in bondage.
Shalom
@@garyp.9073 Mr Rubenstein is a Jew. That says it all. Christians should never allow a Jew to explain who Jesus Christ is or what the New Testament is about. Jews don't believe in Jesus. That says it all, understood?
It is NOT taught in scripture anywhere. Verses are simply taken out of context to support the idea.
The answer to ( John 1:1 ) is in ( Revelation 19:13, 16 )
I didn't want to commend on this post because most of these people just want views and likes but because i have comment let me point out somethings 1) people who don't read the KJV are the ones who normally opposse the truth , they have bibles which miss some verse like 1 John 5:7 the basic verse to prove the trinity 2) we have a reference in the bible where God the Father refers to Jesus Christ as creator of the universe (Psalm 102:25-27) see Hebrews 1:5-14 3) we have also places where the Holy Spirit is refered to as the LORD forexample Hebrews 10:15-17 see Jeremiah 31:31-33 4) we also have a reference of God having blood Acts 20:28 of course we know God is Spirit (John 4:24) so how come he has blood? 5) the Israel shema Deut 6:4 [Listen O Isreal the LORD our God is one LORD]
I don't agree with all your viewpoints, but I appreciate what you're saying about the Trinity and It's nice to hear about people who can break out of the - blind leading the blind - trap that so many Christians fall into. The adversary loves nothing more that to get most Christians to believe lies because they are just willing to go along with the crowd.
"what is to be of his followers who synagogue on shabbat then congregate the 1st day of the week to eat the flesh & drink the blood of their GOD, those cannibals." Oldest joke perpetrated against his believers by first generation skeptic/deniers i.e. Seutonius etc. - circa 2,000 years ago
@maxprescott9371
Straight from the NT.
God's holy name,
Jehovah, is in the New Testament 297 times in the (Divine Name King James Bible).
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ACTS 2:21
" And it shall come to pass, that whosoever Shall call on the name of the LORD, (Jehovah Jol 2:31, 32) shall be saved."
ACTS 2:25
" For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the LORD, (Jehovah Ps 16:8) always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved"
1 CORINTHIANS
1:31
" That according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the LORD (Jehovah Jer 9:24).
2 CORINTHIANS
6:18
" And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the LORD, (Jehovah Isa 43:3,6; Hos 1:10) Almighty."
GALATIONS 3:6
" Even as Abraham believed God (Jehovah Gen 15:6), and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
There is only one God both body and Spirit Jesus was the Body and the invisible Father is the Spirit that dwells in Jesus Christ. We read this in, Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Also in, 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Another Scripture is in, Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. Whatever the Son asks He gets,, or there would not be any creation. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:3 All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made. Jsus is the body and the invisible Father is the Spirit.
If Jesus was just a vessel that was possessed by God’s spirit, why did Jesus have a will of his own and prayed to God not to go to be torture and killed on the cross? If he was just a vessel that God was using why would he fight against God’s will?
@@Backswell When Jesus died on the Cross the nature of the flesh that caused Him to pray, eat, sleep, and use the bathroom, disappeared and he walked out of the Grave as the firt born from the dead, as the High Priest of God after the Order of Melchizedek. At his death he gave up the kingdom to God that the Spirit of God should be all in all. The Father is manifested as and through Jesus Christ as His own body and identity. Daniel saw Him in the 10th chapter of Daniel and John saw him in Revelations the first chapter as the visible form of God the Almighty the first and the last. Paul says that the body is not made up of one member and so is the body of Christ. We are members of the body of Christ because we have all drunk of the same Spirit. The body of God is a thousand times ten thousands of rusurrected saints. Instead of saying that God is 2 or 3 persons he is a number of persons that cannot be counted for multitude. The thing that made Jesus the Christ was that God as a Spirit was in Him. A person cannot be in another person, to have that doctrine is what John called Antichrist.
@@hubertlancaster so now that Jesus is in heaven you believe he no longer has a God?
@@hubertlancaster also read revelation more closely the Alpha and Omega statements are both made by The Father, God Almighty
@@Backswell at the death of Jesus on the cross the nature of the flesh perished that caused Jesus to pray, eat, and sleep. He came out of the grave as the firstborn of the dead and a High Priest of God after the order of Melchizedek, He gave up the Kingdom to God by his death that God might be all in all. The father has the identity of Christ as His own identity. Daniel saw Him in Daniel the tenth chapter and John saw Him in Revelations the first Chapter as God almighty the first and the last. Instead of God being 2 or 3 persons He is a number of persons that no man can number, out of the resurrection, beginning with 144,000 Jews the firstfruits unto God. Paul says that the body is not one member but many members and so is Christ. We are members of the Body of Christ because we all have drunk of the same Spirit. To say that God's Spirit is a person is not common sense because a person cannot get inside another person. The thing that makes Jesus the Christ is the fact that God was in Him, if God is a person separate form Him then Jesus cannot be the Christ. This is what John called Antichrist doctrine. Hebrews says that Jesus is the express image of His Person. I take it as Christ is the express image of God's own idea of His person. Another way to look at it is that the word person in the original Greek can also be expanded to mean God's Essence.
Find 1 John 1 if you want to understand John 1 better. I don't think anyone has to fully understand these two chapters concerning God and His Son, because trinitarians don't have to lead the conversation to all definite answers. But even this pastor did not reference 1 John 1 which is the most John wrote about this John 1 gospel passage. You have to study more than just one or two verses in John 1 though. Whatever you read and comprehend, then plug in your conclusion of what you think the Word means, then read John 1 with that conclusion as a substitute. From there on, you will see how foolish it sounds if you are in error.
Isaiah ch22 v21-24? Verse 20 says it's speaking about Eliakim son of Hilkiah yet you're applying it to Christ.
I know trinitarians that believe the gospel of Jesus and live for Jesus the best they can. Are they going to Hell?
If Yeshua is God could not sin wouldnt be same as Adam.not perfect judgement
So much in the Bible tells us that we are connected to Spirit from the very beginning. Numbers 14.18 is qualified by Ezekiel 18.18-24. Matthew 17:12-13 tells us that Elijah had returned as John the Baptist. *_SPIRIT is far more important that the Body!_* Even Christ's disciples knew of reincarnation and the confusion within Judaism regarding it, as we saw in John 9:1-2.
Some statements by Christ are greatly clarified by the spiritual nature of man, ignoring the body and its ego; for example, Matthew 26:52.
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Who did John the Baptist prepare the way for? Was it not God? Who came? It was Jesus, Immanuel - God with us.
huh? this needs to stop. like yesterday.. please read.
I've never heard of a larger group of people gathered for One cause in unity be so divided on Jesus Christ, on doctrines and other things concerning scripture or Jesus as i have the Christian church.
{{**What has Wheat to do with tares**}}
We are all shades of Wheat or shades of chaff. forget color, forget religion, forget science, put away strifes or offenses and keep a clear conscious in Christ our Lord..
those that dislike or disbelieve Jesus are just that, dissenters or deceived and nothing more.
they are zero threat to the Kingdom of God. Which is You.
Jesus Christ within you.
Some of us were eating from satans table too while proclaiming our holier-than-thou status to Gods creations that we perceived as sinners who needed punishments or judgements or calling-out.
they need none of that.
they need love, to see what love looks like....
.... to see forgiveness come from the people that claim to love Jesus Christ for real....
.... and not just by what they say but how we act.
{{ Often those that call themseves brother or sister is the very person you end up being persecuted by }}
Why?
Sneaky Snake syndrome.
Jesus warned us about the brood of vipers as the Pharisees "leaven of doctrine woven into the message of Love via Jesus".
It is a Spirit of Duality.
One foot in, one foot out.
Here is what was read or heard come from the whole church these last 5 years: (it's shameful):
[did i participate? yes i did]
Jesus says we are almost all guilty of this and that we should hang the forehead low to the ground....
.... and cease wearing a proud scarf of righteousness and piety.
Here is The CHURCH's own testimony
of itself:
he did this.. she said that.. this pastor don't know what they are talking about.. this one is deceived.. she ain't none of a prophet.. This church is bad.. when does service end.. man parking sucks.. the food is horrible.. i can't live like this.. my anxiety.. my medication.. my headache.. my problems.. my my my.. where is Jesus in your life?
this service was bad..
does this guy even know scripture..
and so much more that
it would take up an
entire book.
instead of love is gossip.
forgive not they say..
.. and clap their hands as they walk away as if they did nothing wrong.
I am not exempted for i was just as guilty. complicit. silent. cowardly by not speaking up before.
it needs to change and quick.
Jesus is returning and we are simply not as ready as we think we are.
Time is very short it seems.
Time for some to go.
Time for some to stay.
Time for a seasonal change as leaves change quickly before their time, i quote a prophet of God, i believe him to be, a John the Baptist amongst men and i do not care how much he disagrees with that i hold to be truth, that he was sent before the Messiah to prepare others of the Way to come or *The Time* of things/events/places/miracles, .. i digress..
Time is indeed short
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Peace,
PTT
@@stevenniesielowski
I am sorry but I believe God is quite able to preserve His word as He wanted us to read it. Why would the God that created the universe and all in it allow His word to be distorted to the masses He is intentioned to save?
Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
The ESV has it also and it is a very well researched version of the bible. I will stick to believing God has preserved His word for His people.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Peace,
PTT
@@stevenniesielowski
Genesis 1 is Old testament. Clearly "us" and "our" are plural creators.
Peace,
PTT
@@stevenniesielowski
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
There are two of three of the trinity beyond doubt. So do you doubt the Holy Spirit?
Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Peace,
PTT
@@stevenniesielowski
I encourage you to believe that the God who created the whole universe and everything in it can surely keep His Word in tact. You doubt God could keep His own instruction manual from being corrupted? Seems you not only disbelieve scripture as written but disbelieve that God could and did preserve His words.
Peace,
PTT
@@pretribtruth Yes I reject western Christianity that is Greco-Roman Christianity!
You do not understand that the doctrine that you hold many and I say many were killed because they would not believe in this lie of false Christianity!
From Justinian to Pope Gregory IX Just a few examples of men that made decrees of persecution to those who would not believe in this lie of Trinity!
you've Made it clear that you do not know nor understand early church history
You are the product of Greco-Roman Christianity!
You are of the seed of Nicaea and I know you don't understand what I mean by that
You could though if you truly seek for TRUTH!
You are of as well
What was warned in Jude v4 and 2 Peter ch 2
Again Ephesians ch1 17-18 is my prayer for you
As soon as you say 'We, Us, They, Them, Their, They', when referring to the trinity God, you have actually indicated that you believe not in a singular Person God, but a God that is plural Persons. Plural Persons being acknowledged as God is polytheism.
Jesus cried out "My God My God"
This will remain Hot 🔥.. burning the theory of trinity
Why does God the Father call Jesus GOD.
New International Version
But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
Berean Standard Bible
And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
King James Bible
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come,
(THE Almighty)
King James Bible
(I am he that liveth, and was dead;) and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
King James Bible
Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
King James Bible
He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
King James Bible
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
JESUS IS THE ALMIGHTY.
ALL THE PROPHECIES EVER SINCE THE BOOK OF GENESIS HAVE BEEN FULFILLED.
The bible says that the word became a man. (FLESH)
New International Version
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, (but a body you prepared for me;)
In other words before Jesus took on human nature, ( flesh).
What was he? John 1:14 = GOD became man.
HE WAS GOD, ONE MEMBER OF THE TRIUNE GODHEAD. BECAUSE GOD EXISTS IN 3 FATHER, SON, AND HOLYSPIRIT.
So before Jesus took on flesh HE was one with THE FATHER.
Sharing the glory with THE FATHER , SELF EXISTING WITH THE FATHER IN TOTAL HARMONY, AND IN PERFECT UNION.
THE bible says THE WORD took on the form of a servant .
New International Version philippians 2:7
rather, HE made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
In order to take on the role of a servant,
HE could not have been a servant.
JESUS was not a servant until HE took
On flesh, HE existed before HE took on flesh, but he wasn't a servant.HE IS God just Like the FATHER and just like the HOLYSPIRIT
JESUS said if you don't believe me, believe the works the miracles THAT I DONE.
New International Version john 10:38
But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the FATHER is in me, and I in the FATHER.”
It is very clear that Jesus was doing the things, That only God can do.
If doing the things that only God can do
Is not good enough for someone to believe, they must be blind.
What more can you possibly want HE lived out a life greater than anything written can explain.
He lived a sinless and perfect life.
New International Version
2 corinthians 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
No one on earth has ever done the works that he has done. He done it all !
NO ONE ELSE HAS EVER DONE ANYTHING CLOSE TO WHAT HE HAS DONE.
HE LIVED THE LIFE THAT ONLY GOD COULD LIVE.
HE DONE THE THINGS THAT ONLY GOD
CAN DO.
HE FORGIVES SINS.
HE GIVES LIFE.
HE IS THE SAVIOR.
HE GAVE SIGHT TO THE BLIND.
HE HEALED THE SICK
HE WALKED ON WATER.
HE CALMED THE STORM.
HE CHANGED PEOPLE FROM THE INSIDE.
HE SHINED LIGHT INTO THE DARKNESS.
HE RAISED THE DEAD, HE RAISED HIMSELF FROM THE GRAVE, CONQUERING DEATH.
HE SAID ALL THAT BELONGS TO THE FATHER IS MINE. WHO CAN MAKE SUCH
A STATEMENT.
THE LIST GOES ON.
HE SAID IN JOHN 8:24
King James Bible
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.
@@reynaldoperez7285 Jesus is not Almighty, ..seems to me you need Jesus so that to be delivered from misconception you are into
@@rasgwandumikaisi7489
JESUS IS GOD
ISSAIAH 42:8
New Living Translation
“I am the LORD; that is my name!
( I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY TO ANYONE ELSE,)
nor share my praise with carved idols.
New International Version
Matthew 16:27
(For the Son of Man IS GOING TO COME IN HIS FATHER ’s GLORY )
with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
JESUS AND THE FATHER SHARE THE SAME GLORY. TOP 2 VERSES
◄ John 17:5 ►
New International Version
And now, (Father, glorify me in your presence WITH THE GLORY I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN.)
ISSAIAH 43:10
New International Version
“You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and my servant whom I have chosen, (SO THAT YOU MAY KNOW AND BELIEVE ME AND UNDERSTAND THAT I AM HE.)
BEFORE ME no god was formed, nor will there be one AFTER ME.
THERE IS ONLY 1 GOD, THE TRIUNE GOD, THE, FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.
King James Bible acts 17:29
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that (THE GODHEAD) is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
◄ John 8:24 ►
New International Version
I told you that you would die in your sins; (IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT I AM HE,) you will indeed die in your sins.”(these are the words of JESUS.)
BOTH JESUS AND THE FATHER SAY (I AM HE)
< Issiah 43:11 >
New International Version
I, even I, am the LORD, and (APART FROM ME THERE IS NO SAVIOR.)
◄ Matthew 1:21 ►
New International Version
She will give birth to a son, (and you are to give him the name Jesus, because (HE WILL SAVE )his people from their sins.”) JESUS IS THE SAVIOR.
◄ John 16:15 ►
New International Version
All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”
WOW, EVERYTHING THAT THE FATHER HAS BELONGS TO CHRIST.
EVERYTHING.
◄ Acts 20:28 ►
NEW KING JAMES
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed (THE CHURCH OF GOD, WHICH HE HATH PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD.)
HOW DID GOD PURCHASE THE CHURCH WITH HIS OWN BLOOD?
Berean Standard Bible
Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for your souls upon the altar; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.
◄ Hebrews 10:8 ►
New International Version
First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them"-(THOUGH THEY WERE OFFERED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW.)
GOD DOESN'T WANT YOUR WORKS
EVEN IF THEY ARE OFFERED ACCORDING TO THE LAW.
◄ John 6:29 ►
New International Version
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
◄ John 8:24 ►
New International Version
I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”
◄ Hebrews 10:5 ►
New International Version
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
(BUT A BODY YOU PREPARED FOR ME; )
GOD MADE A BODY FOR JESUS.
THE WORD WHO IS GOD.
JOHN 1:1
New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.
GOD THE WORD TOOK ON FLESH.
◄ John 1:14 ►
New International Version
(THE WORD BECAME FLESH) and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
philippians 2:6-7
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
HE TOOK ON THE FORM OF A SERVANT MEANS HE WAS NOT A SERVANT BEFORE HE TOOK ON FLESH.
JUST THINK ABOUT IT, HE TOOK ON THE FORM OF A SERVANT.
HOW CAN SOMEONE TAKE ON A ROLE OF WHAT HE SHOULD ALREADY BE.
New Living Translation
JESUS GAVE HIS LIFE FOR OUR SINS, JUST AS GOD OUR FATHER PLANNED, in order to rescue us from this evil world in which we live.
◄ John 10:18 ►
New International Version
NO ONE TAKES IT FROM ME,
-(HIS LIFE)-
(BUT I LAY IT DOWN OF MY OWN ACCORD.)
I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”
HOSEA 6:6
FOR I DESIRE STEADFAST LOVE
and not sacrifice,
THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD rather than burnt offerings.
WOW THE ONLY THING GOD REALLY WANTS FROM US IS TO
KNOW HIM, AND LOVE HIM AND LOVE OTHERS.
King James bible ecclesiastes 3:17
I said in mine heart,(GOD SHALL JUDGE) the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.
Ecclesiastes 12:14
For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.
Acts 17:31
For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.
King James Version ISSAIAH 32:22
For the LORD is our judge,
the LORD is our lawgiver,
the LORD is our king;
he will save us
Psalm 100:3
Know that the Lord Himself is God;
It is He who has made us, and not we ourselves;
We are His people and the sheep of His pasture.
Isaiah 66:16
For the Lord will execute judgment by fire
And by His sword on all flesh,
And those slain by the Lord will be many.
James 4:12
(There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; ) but who are you who judge your neighbor?
◄ Matthew 10:28 ►
King James Bible
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
◄ Revelation 1:8 ►
New International Version
(“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says THE LORD GOD,) “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
◄ Hebrews 1:8 ►
New International Version
BUT ABOUT THE SON HE SAYS, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
JESUS DIDN'T HAVE TO SAY HE WAS GOD, BECAUSE THE FATHER
SAID IT, AND WHAT THE FATHER SAYS IS TRUE.
JOHN 8 17-18
In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true. I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”
◄ John 14:1 ►
New International Version
“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me.
King James Bible
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
◄ Romans 7:6 ►
New International Version
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that WE SERVE IN THE NEW WAY OF THE SPIRIT, and not in the old way of the written code.
Zechariah 12:10
ESV“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy,
⛑️ SO THAT, WHEN THEY LOOK ON ME, ON HIM WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED, 🪖
they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.
English Standard Version
MALICHI 3:1
“Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the LORD of hosts.
OK, MALACHI 3:1 SAYS
I SEND MY MESSENGER.
WHO WAS THE MESSENGER?
ANSWER: JOHN THE BAPTIST.
This is prophecy,
English Standard Version
ISSAIAH 40:3
A voice cries: "In the wilderness prepare the way of the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway ( for our God )
PROPHESY FULLFILLED.
English Standard Version JOHN 1:19
(And this is the testimony of John,) when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?”
English Standard Version
john 1:23
He said, “I am the voice of one crying out in the wilderness, (‘Make straight the way of the Lord,’ )as the prophet Isaiah said.”
AND THE LORD WHOM YOU SEEK WILL COME TO( HIS )TEMPLE.
SOLOMON BUILT THE TEMPLE FOR
GOD.
THE MESSENGER OF THE
COVENANT IN WHOM YOU DELIGHT.
JEREMIAH 31 31-33
JESUS IS THE MESSENGER OF THE
NEW COVENANT. BY HIS BLOOD.
1 CORINTHIANS 11:25
MATTHEW 26:27-28
LUKE 22:20
THE TRIUNE GOD OF ISREAL. 🙌 🙏
at the death of Jesus on the cross the nature of the flesh perished that caused Jesus to pray, eat, and sleep. He came out of the grave as the firstborn of the dead and a High Priest of God after the order of Melchizedek, He gave up the Kingdom to God by his death that God might be all in all. The father has the identity of Christ as His own identity. Daniel saw Him in Daniel the tenth chapter and John saw Him in Revelations the first Chapter as God almighty the first and the last. Instead of God being 2 or 3 persons He is a number of persons that no man can number, out of the resurrection, beginning with 144,000 Jews the firstfruits unto God. Paul says that the body is not one member but many members and so is Christ. We are members of the Body of Christ because we all have drunk of the same Spirit. To say that God's Spirit is a person is not common sense because a person cannot get inside another person. The thing that makes Jesus the Christ is the fact that God was in Him, if God is a person separate form Him then Jesus cannot be the Christ. This is what John called Antichrist doctrine. Hebrews says that Jesus is the express image of His Person. I take it as Christ is the express image of God's own idea of His person. Another way to look at it is that the word person in the original Greek can also be expanded to mean God's Essence.
You interpret the Bible. We do too. You say it debunks, the Trinity, we are convinced of it.
Oneness, Trinitarians,.Unitarians all claim the Early Christians believed their doctrine but only the TRINITY has supporting evidence from the writings of Christians living in the first 2 centuries.
For over 1,000 years, only the TRINITY was believed or taught by Christians (Acts 5 : 38 and 39). All of the others were not unless they hid their light under a bushel and were not the light of the world. JESUS prophesied the church would shine it's light for all to see and they would teach the Truth. The church that fulfilled the prophesy was Trinitarian (Mathew 5 : 14 through 16 and John 14 : 16 and 15 : 26).
Justin Martyr wasn’t a Trinitarian. lmao
Dont be hasty, let me explain Genisis 1:26.
Man is the image and likeness of the Father and the Son. Man was created as a plularity of persons yet one in kind. Woman came out of Mans flesh and bone.
Mans flesh and bone, their substance, represents Gods substance, the Spirit. So God purposely created Eve out of Adams substance, his flesh, to demonstrate how the Son came out of Gods substance, the Spirit.
Thus man is the likeness and image of how the Son of God was born out of Gods body that is Spirit.
This is why Jesus claimed, "I and my Father are one." Just as Adam and Eve are one in substance, flesh, so the Father and the Son are one in substance, the Spirit. Though Adam and Eve are one in substance they are two separate individual persons
John 16:27 -28 Jesus said" My Father loves you because you love me and believe I came out of the Father and He sent me. I came out of the Father and came into the world, now I leave the world and return to the Father."
Eve came out of Adam. The Son came out of the Father.
You can make the bible say whatever you want if you don't read the bible in its entirety.
Jesus did physically come down from heaven. This pastor is telling lies too. He said the Son of Man came 'down' from heaven.
Being from God and from heaven could be different in context, but heaven is clearly a place, not a person. That keeps people from fumbling the context.
John 1:2 says “He was in the beginning with God” ummm. Logos or words (speech) is a he? John clearly used this title in reference to Jesus. John 1:14 says he BECAME flesh. The Word is already called “The Word” before his descension down to Earth. John gave Jesus the title of “The Word”.
John 10:30 I and (my) Father are one. Yeshua told the Jews, why it is so. But they did not believe Him, they crucified Him, because of blasphemy, He made Himself equal with God, they believed that He was human alone. So do many Christians., that do not believe, who He is (John 8:24). They need a revelation from the Father, as Peter got. Yeshua gives life eternal. No human can do that. He forgives sin (Exo23:21; 1.Cor 10:9). The name of God is in Him. Paul said that the angel of the LORD is Christ, and we have not to test Christ, what many did and still do. The angel of the LORD brought Israel out of Egypt (Judges 1:2). He gave His covenant to Israel (Acts 7), and made also the new covenant (Jer 31:31). He is the One that rises the dead and has everything made, and without Him is nothing made. He is formed as EL, the single God with a human body (Isa 43:10+11) to die for our sins (Isa53 ) in the womb of Mary, a virgin, the Son of Man and the Son of God, who is Imanu El, God with us (Isa 7:14).
The oneness is through Yeshua, not without Him (John 14:6ff: 1.John 2:22+23). We are one with the Lord in Haeven, because we are in Yeshua, who is one with the LORD. No human can say, what belongs to the Father, the Son has also, all power and glory.
We die in our sin, if we have not the right faith, as Israel had not in the wilderness (John 8:24).
There is only one (1) God because there is only one (1) Father, Who alone is uncaused, 'a se', sole principle, sole source, monarchia, Who's always had His Word/Son & Spirit, Both having subsistence & possessing the Father's essence/ousia, so are predicated 'God'; i.e., divine.
*_At 20m 00s, interesting take on John 3.13._* BUT CONSIDER THIS: Christ DID come down from Heaven, and he did *_Become the First_* to have ascended up to Heaven. You are thinking ONLY in terms of the physical body.
*_FACT:_* God cares little for these physical, human bodies we wear. Genesis 6-9 proved that.
*_FACT:_* God created man *_Twice!_* First, He created man in His own image (spirit, Genesis 1.26), and second, He created man from the dust of the ground (chemicals; Genesis 2.7).
*_FACT:_* God will not always dwell with the physical man, for he is also spirit (Genesis 6.3).
*_FACT:_* God cares more for that which looks like Him, and not that which is made of "dust" (John 3.6; and John 3, entire chapter).
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