Esteban Ocon On Fighting With Teammates & His F1 Future
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- Sharing the experiences from his remarkable journey to F1, Esteban emphasises the significance of self-belief, respect, and attention to detail on the road to high performance.
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Esteban Ocon is a French Formula 1 driver racing for the Alpine F1 Team, and is regarded as one of the most talented on the current grid. In this episode, Esteban shares the reality of racing from a young age and the astonishing sacrifices his family chose to make to support his dream.
Esteban reveals the pressure he was under throughout his youth and how his childhood was vastly different to his peers. His parents decided to sell their home and working garage to finance his career, in order to chase his dream of racing in Formula 1. He shares the impact this has had on him as an adult and the immense gratitude he has towards his parents today.
Reflecting on his rise through the ranks, Esteban opens up about the scrutiny and criticism he faced as a young driver. Rather than letting this impact him, he shares with Jake and Damian how he used this as motivation, transforming the negative feedback into inspiration. They discuss his 2019 hiatus from Formula 1 and the invaluable lessons he learnt during this time, observing the workings of the Mercedes team from the sidelines.
This episode is a deep dive into what achieving your dreams looks like, exploring teamwork, self-belief and why trust is so crucial.
0:00 Introduction
1:14 What Is High Performance?
3:27 Growing Up
4:48 Parents' Sacrifice
8:28 Travel Counsellors
9:34 Childhood Pressure
13:06 Hope & Belief
18:54 Fighting With Max Verstappen
21:11 Calling Toto Wolff
25:45 Fighting On Track
32:00 Force India
35:08 Mercedes
41:25 Lewis Hamilton
43:28 Two Hands Two Feet
44:54 Regrets
47:07 First Win In F1
56:33 2023 Season
57:34 The New Season
58:04 The Vacant Seat At Mercedes
1:00:00 The Human High Performance Centre
1:03:07 Quick-Fire Questions
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How do you think Alpine will perform this season? 🤔
Pretty much last place
Deserve a downgrade to F2
Hopefully relegation
sadly I don't have high hopes for them this season..
Worst than Haas
Both Ocon and George have the no hold bars, gutsy way of racing and approach of not taking nothing for granted. Grateful, I guess as both their journeys to F1 were not easy. Toto, Gwen and Merc contributed to them making it from the Junior Categories. They both unfortunately are misunderstood by many. Lovely lads. I wonder if Toto would not put them together for 2 seasons and see. I like that fight for every point and fear no one. They both know Mercedes ways well and been exposed to Lewis and Team during their glory days being at the back of the Garage and debriefs. They both know how to get the most of difficult cars and how to lead a Team during those difficult times. And they both have great relationship with Toto and loyal to him. Both sets of parents are humble and are behind the scenes.
Ocon at least takes fault for his mistakes, unlike George. It's why I like Ocon a whole lot more. Same driver but one's an utter bell end
From the perspective of the same team, Russell has not been known to be as toxic as Ocon. At least, Russell hasn't done an "Ocon" to his teammates. Oh well, maybe he did behind the scene, I don't know.
I don’t get why people do not like Esteban. I’ve always seen the promise he showed since 2017 and always thought he seemed really chill as well as a great driver.
Chill and great driver?
Because he constantly crashes with his team mates, look at the race yesterday he did it again
Watch the latest Monaco GP. You'll get it. It's well deserved. He's not that great a driver. Average at best. But has the ego of a 10 time world champion. Soon to be given the boot by Alpine.
I kinda see it as a similar reason as to why people don't like Shaun White. Shaun and Ocon's mistreatment in the past really did make them rise and excel at their respective talent but at the cost of having to adopt an overly powerful fight instict that neither could control well. Esteban has carried that chip on his shoulder to this day and has repeatedly let it get the best of him, and he is never able to be the bigger man. Like compare his actions to Lewis, who didn't have monetary struggles but had discrimination to fight through to get where he is, yet he is able to rise above it and be very stoic on the matter, standing up for himself when appropriate and not looking for aggressions when they aren't there, which Ocon is unable to do. This is personally why I don't like him, and I will admit it's quite a subtle thing that's not surface level at all, but this might explain in better detail other than "he crashing into teammates every weekend".
Do you get it now? He will always fight....for himself. It's a bonus if it benefits the team but the team is sh*t of luck when the person he always fights is his teammate.
This is going to be long.
I love this interview and how it provides so much insight to Esteban's career and how he (and his family) dealt with the cards given to him (them). I am his fan and will always remain so.
I know most say that sacrifice is the defining factor of Esteban's career and life in general but I think determination and self-belief are up there too. The determination and mental strength he had and still has, is truly remarkable considering that life just seems to throw all kinds of set backs and obstacles at him. From a financially unstable karting and junior single seater career, from being in two teams that were hit by financial troubles, one of which actually leaving the sport (Manor), from having to take a year out from racing for reasons not within his control, and now in Renault/Alpine which has always struggled to get a hold of proper management until now. He definitely has had such a tumultuous career so far. But I know he is so much stronger because of it. The way he choose to see the silver lining in his situation, specifically during his 2019 hiatus, is inspirational.
The way he describes the type of racing that he likes made me remember this comment I saw on reddit, and to which I agree with it, "Esteban does the type of driving/racing people say they want but from a driver they don't want it from". To me this speaks volumes on how hypocritical the f1 fanbase is in their treatment and opinions on Esteban. He races hard but clean (of course with some incidents which is typical in racing). But people are so wrapped up in their bias and made-up narratives against him that they are no longer objective when they watch him race, if they even pay attention to him during race weekends.
Another thing I want to add: Esteban basically debunked the narrative that he doesn't get along with his teammates but watch people spin what he said to fit their narrative. Only reason people think he is a "bad teammate" is simply because he actually chooses to challenge his teammates, who unfortunately for Esteban, happen to have much larger fanbases then him and thus, have control of the narrative every time he clashes with them. But the revisionism of this clashes has been getting out of hand, note of all his crashes with his teammates, only one was his fault (and not even majorly so IMO). Perez was at fault for most of what happened in force india, Alonso was at fault in Brazil 2022 and he was actually penalized for it and Gasly was at fault in Australia 2023.
I'm going to just put what Alonso said after the Brazil GP 2022: “It has been two years [of racing] clean. Some first laps we had some fights, because we start always together, we qualify very close. So in two years, we had one contact. OK, people want to do a big thing about that. But we have one contact in two years and [on Sunday] we recover everything we did [in the Sprint]. So we try to do the best for the team.”
This is honestly one of the best and most informed comment I ever read on social media! Great work
You used many words…
Fanboy
couldn't have been said any better. I am a fan too and i wish him the best
Care to say something after Monaco 2024?
Always found it amazing in 2016 when he joined Manor, how ruthless he was towards Pascal Wherlein who has been in team all season and who scored the team their only points that year. But as a driver, he just came in and immediately came out swinging, which he would do the rest of his career.
That's what killed Wherlein career, he couldn't dominate Ocon who arrived mid season.
Definitely one of the most interesting and inspiring drivers of these times. So different in the positive sense of the word. He shows a mentally strong man when he recalls the injustice he has experienced and adopts an attitude intended to arouse pity and sympathy from the public. He has high values (respect for parents, free charity), but remains a realist. He is nice, polite and sincere, but at the same time completely no naive and knows when he has to take a tough attitude and defend what he and his family have gained (often confused with falsehood and toxicity). He understands F1 like no one else, realizing that nothing is certain in it. The bond with parents and the respect and care for them are also admirable. And the fact that he can remain himself in the world of flashy, conformist and manipulative social media. Not to mention this negative group of their users. A very tough man.
Did you post this yourself? Ocon
@@griffintubeyright i think this is really well done satire. I want to hear more about the injustices he experienced lool
Never knew he had such a hard time getting in F1 cause generally people that get into F1 are super rich.
I really like Esteban, he doesn't pander, just says things 100% how he sees them
Except when he see himself in the wrongs… he won’t says that he’s wrong.
@@tonamg53So do a lot of drivers. You need to believe in yourself even if you’re wrong, WDC mentality, even if he’s not quite WDC material.
@@jamesvoneschen6603 Only those knowing and accepted they are wrong can improve.
Believing in yourself means believing in your ability to learn and improve.
Believing you are always right and never do anything wrong is not WDC material…
WDC aren’t delusional idiots.
@@tonamg53 good point. You can't grow if you can't self reflect.
He doesn't deserve the hate he gets, one of the most likable dude outside the car and he is pretty underrated.
Overall, he often had more reliability issues than his teammates in his career (except when Alonso was his teammate), yet he was often close to them in the driver standing (quality teammates btw) and either out-qualified or out-raced most of them, as far as i'm concerned he is better than Gasly.
Gasly > ocon, ocon is a reckless driver, sacrifices team points to prevent his teammate from overtaking him( Alonso, gasly and checo), and fight for a position when he was in blue flag(max 2018)
Thank you Esteban to be so open... i love you
"Always remember where you come from and never turn your back". What a lovely guy. What wonderful parents. He has completely gone up in my estimations since this interview. Well done guys.
Impressive! I remember years ago reading a psychological study of Formula One drivers that basically said that their intense focus on overcoming difficulties set them apart from many athletes and listening to this young man one can only marvel at the dedication and focus it took for him to succeed. I suspect that many people have no idea of what it takes to drive these cars…every time I watch a Formula One race I am reminded of the incredible feats human beings are capable of!
very interesting conversation, it's nice to get to know a driver like Esteban a bit better this way. Thank you guys!, greets from Amsterdam
Have been really enjoying all of the F1 drivers you have been having on.
great pod, would really love to see more f1 content... keep it up
The story is this guy is just amazing. To succeed in this sport without money you have to realize the talent of Esteban and the sacrifice of the family. He deserve more than anybody to be here. He need more respect ! 🫡
I'm sorry but if he had no money we will be playing basketball or football in the streets like 99.999% of the kids.
The real goats are his parents who risked all their money and fortune to support his hobby.
And of course props to him for actually making it work.
How can people not like this guy? came from humble beginnings and seems level headed. Who gives a fuck how good of a team mate he is. You race for yourself at the end of the day. Max and lewis do not race for their team mates and they are the modern day greats.
“How can people not like this guy? .. Who gives a fuck how good of a team mate he is.” Seems like you know the answer already. At the end of the day you race for your TEAM
@@henriklaidveealso max why should give my p6 even after he helped me win by first wdc in abu dhabi
@@henriklaidvee If teams found him a liability, he would already be in another series, there's only 20 seats in Formula 1 for many talented drivers.
A driver has to prove his performance and do the best he can, if the team finds he's going too far when defending, that a driver is held by a way slower teammate or that strategy requires a driver to be in front of the other, team orders exist.
He's good, he just has a chip on his shoulder because of his perceived disadvantages. Hammy had similar beginnings and he's raced without the chip.
@@Astrokobidead max didn’t give the position because of monaco 2022. Do you really think RB will reprimand max of that.. man is their most successful driver ever
Keep fighting estie! He's one of the very few drivers that made it without being born rich or nepotism, major props.
Great guy from what I can’t tell. A bit like Max, he’s getting so much crap from the net unfairly. It’s a sport for rich people mostly, so his story shall be that much more inspiring.
Ocon is a great driver... If he sign in for a big team... I have certain that the will performance in high level
He is an average driver an a moronic person.
Really good interview
I dont know why Esteban receives a lot of hate, i admire him and still thinking is one of the best of the current grip.
The only opportunity area that i think he has is the maturity when racing, other than that he is one of the best!
Fernando fans hate him because of Hungary 2022 and Max fans hate him because of Interlagos 2018.
Given these are 2 of the 3 biggest and loudest fanbases, that's already a ton of haters.
F1 being a fast growing sport, newer fans tend to love what's cool to love and to hate what's cool to hate, so that makes it even bigger.
And in the end, people juste like to have a villain to hate. And given current F1 grid doesn't have a true villain (like Mazepin was), people quickly made someone look way worse than he actually is, and given Esteban is clearly not the most skilled guy at PR in addition of already having a solid haterbase, he's an easy target.
That's a bit depressing because aside from great backstory, he has some flashy overtakes and some great defensive driving which is stuff everyone should love at an age full of DRS freebies and aside from Button he's the only teammate that didn't got utterly demolished by Alonso last 15 years.
@@GinoLaMainFroideCheco hates him. Gasly hates him.
@@michaeldellorso889I was talking about fans not drivers.
And while nobody can't deny there's still a feud between Pierre and him, it seems like things have cooled down a lot between Checo and him. Esteban even said he was very happy to see Checo get his first win in 2020.
@@michaeldellorso889 Galsy and Ocon are in perfectly good terms. They ain't kids anymore...
@@michaeldellorso889 And the greatest paradox is that in his speech, behavior and reflections (after some time) on the relationship with these drivers, he does not show any signs of hatred towards them. That year, he even admitted in front of the cameras that there was a mistake on both sides in the relationship with Alonso. It was impressive how he congratulated Gasly on his podium finish in the sprint in Belgium by posting photos on his profile (although then there was an error during his pit stop because his tires were not prepared). Not to mention he never said anything bad about Gasly in front of the cameras or complained about him. And he welcomed him to the team with real class (photos, etc.). A very mature guy with a high emotional intelligence score. It's obvious he had to grow up quickly.
Great interview, thanks! And he meant "neglect" guys :P
Esteban is and will always be my favorite Driver on the Grid.
He has a very inspiring way to fulfill his dream.
I think when he gets a car that can compete for a Championship he will be up there.
Its so sad he is hated by so many people because he had clashes with Verstappen, Alonso and Checo who all have 3 of the 4 biggest fanbases in the sport
Yes, it can be sad. But from the point of view of science and behavioral psychology, when you look at the behavior and language of those fans who hate him so much on social media, there is doubtful pleasure or pride in being the object of admiration of such people. From an ethical or axiological point of view, it is the reluctance of such people, it is even a compliment and proof that you are a decent and mentally tough person. It is doubtful whether Alonso himself is happy that the foundation of his fanbase consists of people creating disgusting content, swearing and often with disgusting profile photos. I suspect that when watching such comments, the Spaniard himself feels disgusted that he attracts such people (and he certainly browses them, because he admitted that he follows opinions about himself in the media). The only problem is that there are more such people in times when it is possible to vent anonymously on the Internet without consequences. But as Mark Twain said: Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.😉
@@user-uy2du3ir6qbro went full armchair expert 😂💀
Even in France, he is not liked as a gasly is and believe me, in France they aren't MV fans... May be there is a reason and it's not Max, Alonso or Perez faults.. May be that's also with he is drive an Alpine today ?
@@MrZewustyle
You're right, Gasly is so much more popular in France.
Also always interesting to note that Max is hated in France and Lewis is a GOD there.
What a great exchange from Estie and the interviewers. Thank you.
We need verstappen on this podcast!
Skiing depends on where home is. Where I live all the local school kids get skiing opportunities once a week.
Kudos to him for achieving what he did. To be fair, he won F3 title yes, driving for a top tier team, while Max won races driving for a mid fielder car. He won the title, fair and square, but Max's performance that year was impressive.
Mate he thinks he beat Max in juniors 😂 go see which teams they raced for and why max is a generational talent.
It was a beautiful interview, It's an amazing story. He loses it at @47:07 , The real reason he won was, his teammate held Lewis back for quite a few laps. The way lewis chew through the field was something else. If his team mate didn't held lewis for those many laps he would not have had this section. A mention to team would not have made him a lesser human. But in the end, he is Ocon, He thinks he is the bestie but fails to be a team player, at least when it comes to giving credit off the track.
He should have mentioned Fernando there.
@@aryanraj8111he has mentioned and thanked Alonso multiple times in various interviews and posts. And Alonso contributed to his win, he did not win it for him. Don't forget Hamilton still had to pass Sainz, Vettel and Ocon himself. Do you not think they wouldn't have defended hard against him to (minus Sainz since we know he passed him easily)? You would honestly think Vettel (a 4 time world champion) would not defend his position? Or Ocon who has shown that he can defend very well? Alonso did not just play the team game, even he admitted that he was also doing it to protect his own position.
He had to hold Vettel for more than half of the race, Alonso contributed but he also had a great performance which people seem to forget too
Then the fanbase commenting this post are blaming other fanbases aka alonso or max. Simply because they want to clean the image of Ocon.
Ridiculous. This guy, might have had a challenging life, but doesn't take away the fact of he being too paid off himself and giving himself more credit than he really deserves
Respect his competitive spirit.
Drivers are too soft today. He is more of a throwback in that sense.
Inspiring interview.
Very likable dude. Cool to hear him speak outside of F1 media
Just found your channel.... subbed straight away. From the James Vowes interview im hooked
Michael "Air Jordan" Jordan, considered by some the greatest basketball player in history, was asked how he came to be so proficient. He answered, "I knew I had to play against people who were bigger, faster, and stronger". We all know the result.
Really interesting how drivers on the grid also rate Verstappen and Leclerc as the phenoms of this generation. Hope Ferrari finally get it together and us that title fight. And before anyone argues, 2022 was such a horrible disservice to Leclerc's talent.
Leclerc is not on verstappens level. He does not have the same level of consistency.
He is up against a robot. Max has moved the bar on what's needed now. This is no longer Schumacher Hamilton 10 wins a season, 5 win streaks territory anymore
He is a machine. If you ever watch football, this is akin to getting 95+ points in a season and still not winning the title.
Max is the final driver, the most complete
Will probably have 80+ wins at the age of 28... Let that sink in
Imola and France 22 were a disservice to your expectations
Leclerc might, but not at the moment he really doesn't have the wisdom to be a world champion yet (IMO). He still struggles too much under pressure and lacks a bit of consistency
@@user-vz5kh6qm7h And Verstappen was never on Hamilton's level before 2021, as he does not have the same level of consistency. This is such a lazy argument to make. Because a title winning car is key here and that does not negate anything from Verstappen's success and talent. It has to be a combination of car and driver, and clearly Leclerc hasn't had the chance to give it a try.
@@sravanagarwal8090 Ah yes. The two races that lost him the championship and clearly not the 100 points of Ferrari reliability and incompetence. I don't know why it's so hard for some of you to admit truth when it comes to it. The funny thing is that I've seen this very same argument for Verstappen when he was called crashtappen before the glory.
Praise to your guests and your questioning. Really interesting!! These interviews are really quite something else because you have the time to really deep dive and ask very good questions. Your podcast is clearly one, if not the, best out here. Hats off!!
Loved this episode!
What a great interview!
Great guy
That opening question is so dumb, it’s just too ambiguous.
I’ve always found it really cringe 😂
It's an utterly ridiculous question and especially as an opening question and the answers are always just as shite because you can't answer it without sounding like you're talking utter drivel
This was an amazing interview of Ocon. My thanks for your great questions. I’m surprised by the amount of hate he gets when he is clearly so polished and talented. He’s so well spoken and clearly so appreciative of his position and opportunity. His parents have clearly raised a solid young man who has overcome lots of adversity. For new American fans, his rags to riches story and persistence and ability to deliver are his superpowers. I am surprised his fan base isn’t larger except he has had to go up against some of the biggest names in racing and compete against their fan bases in Perez, Ricciardo and Alonso. I think he was clearly better than Perez, he handled Alonso over 2 years better than most and he took too much hatred over Brazil 20018 with Max. He doesn’t say it but I bet Mercedes was one of the seats in 2019. Lewis wanted no part of him as teammate when he had a lapdog in Bottas. Sainz took the McLaren seat from him last minute. If he only had a top car he would be a Hollywood movie ending.
I would love to see Ocon go to the vacant seat at Mercedes.
absolutely no chance in the world he’d have the chance but i’m sure he’d perform pretty well. if ocon could keep up with russell it would probably be a bitter rivalry which merc wouldn’t want.
10 sec penalty for Ocon
Damn, the segment on his first win in Hungary was very interesting. I was there that weekend on the main straight, rooting for Lewis tho, but Fernando saved the day.
Surprisingly, no mention from this creep about that...
Thank you for the podcast. Although 1. WHY did Valteri get the seat and not him? 2. How was the relationship with Fernando Alonso (behind the scenes) really?
Alonso and Ocon still interact quite a lot. I remember during the Las Vegas driver's parade, Alonso was the one who approached Ocon while they waited to go out. The was a video and even a picture. Even in the driver's parade in Bahrain (i think), you'll see them talking in the background and it looked like Alonso was teasing Ocon 😅
They really seem fine with each other. People just love to assume that Alonso hates Ocons guts without realizing Alonso loves to play with the media when he makes some statements.
At tht time, Bottas was better and only Russell was probably the replacement
Do they have to put adds in
"I wasn't like most kids. I wasn't skiing." Buddy. The majority of us don't either 🤣
You do realize different Countries/Cities have different ways of life? The average family where Ocon is from literally skies on holidays...
They have Alps in France *eyeroll*
He probably meant most kids in go karting, cause they’re mostly rich and would have extra money to do these things
@@clarissa.soeiro6194I am sure max could
Buddy, who the hell are you
I would put Esteban in the Mercedes in 2025 - you might recoil, but you would be wrong…
Ocon the great. We need you in a top team ASAP⚡️🔥🐆
Are you shure? There is a reason why, even though Toto Wolf is part owner of the Mercedes Team, there was never room for him there. Same with Red Bull, Ferrari junior, and so on.
esty besty is a complex character, can be a total dick, but also very likable, I think its just the French in him. Another great interview
Why is everyone so hung up on Max being better or whatever? That wasnt the point. You guys misunderstood it completely, acting here like he said that he shouldve been promoted to F1 instead of Max. Basically what he said is that from his pov(which is not wrong), its messed up that a champion in a series has to stop racing due to lack of money. The ladder is a mess, if you dont have money you are done. You say that ye but if you are good you can get into a program and they will finance it. Guess what, they partially do, but you still have to fork out the rest. Just look at Hauger (last year was in RB academy) his car was still full of sponsors. If you look at the indycar ladder, the champion automatically gets promoted and gets the money to fund his next season. This is something that the f1 ladder should introduce
Everything he says is correct but he left something out.
Ver was a much better driver.
He implied that ver was promoted instead of him only because he didn't have monetary support.
I doubt he truly thinks he is in the same level, imo he is playing along the "poor child makes it" story.
Every good one, thank you. I think Ales albon is more honest than most of drivers and admitted that Max was just on another level.
Ocon is just playing the victim a bit to much.. Not that he didn't lived the life he is talking about, and struggle his fair chair but to me that's why he isn't liked like that much.. A bit to much victimisation, his story telling is unlikable ! I think that is holding him back !
I wonder what the story is for those kids / parents / drivers that did not make it to F1 in the end and also made all the sacrifices.
The biggest mistake from Max (or his team) was in Brzail. The team good see you were driving on soft tires while Max was saving all he had left. Why not let you go? I am Dutch so a fan of Max. But after the race keep pushing you, worst thing I ever saw from Max. You were racing while Max was saving. He got puninesd for it, that was a good thing! I like France people very much,my favorit country to go on holiday. I hope your car will get better this year, all the best Eseban!
I used to think Ocon was the biggest a-hole on track because he's always the hardest to pass and the one that appears least cooperative to his team, but learning more from his past, he's probably one of those that works the hardest to never ever give a gap. Good on him, the grid is awesome with him in it.
I respect the journey of Ocon and his parents.
But when I think about his on-track performance and behaviour, I think of him punting Verstappen in Brazil. Or him preferring to squabble to keep his team mate, Alonso behind him, but as a result allowing Ricciardo to leap frog both of them into the next corner in Hungary. He doesn’t think team, he thinks only about himself vs his team mate. In a cost cap era, he also doesn’t seem to care about the cost of his unnecessary crashes.
These attributes make him difficult to manage; only his TP can tell you if Ocon is worth it.
Man, teammates in racing are not like in football, they are rivals as well, he has to think in beat them first, that's how it always has been.And in Brazil he was allowed to unlap himself Max shouldn't have fought him. You say he only thinks about himself, well yeah, drivers are super competitive, what did you expect? And you talk about his crashes like he is Pastor Maldonado, come on, he hasn't had many crashes to be honest. In 2017 he was called Oconsistency because he scored in almost every race without incidents
Max Verstappen was better in F3. Worse car worse engine worse reliability worse team. Yet he won more races then Ocon. Toto Wolff and Helmut Marko saw that aswell.
And Max is a year younger. At 16-17 that counts.
Ocon seems to have forgotten all of that. It was clear that Max was different. You can even hear it from the commentators in those races.
Maxx also had a worse father, he overcame soo much!
@@williamlima8489Jos was the most strict teacher for his son, but look at Max now. He's unbeatable & a winning machine.
Max’s ONLY year in cars prior to F1. Incredible talent.
Hello..coming from an avid fan of Lexus/Toyota & Acura/ Honda, ALL newer Makes have a lot of plastics in engine compartment. Including Lexus / Toyota unfortunately.
What a shame that this very mentality has twisted his own fate in F1. I get it. Unlike certain drivers who have fathers who can buy entire teams for them, Ocon has always had to fight for his seat at the table.
Too bad he was never given an incentive to move beyond that mentality. Even when his seat for the following season was guaranteed, he still fought like everything was on the line for him and that finally caught up to him.
As fans we love seeing a fighty aggressive driver but as a team leader/owner, having one driver desperate to prove themselves at the cost of the team is simply not good for the team especially one in the midfield.
I am a Max fan, but I have to admit that Esteban is definitely one of the best drivers on the grid. He just needs a race winning car.
I still se at least 5 or 6 drivers in front of him.
He should learn from Sainz and Leclerc, you fight on the gravel, but you leave it all behind while not in the race. You have to be sociable with teammates, if not for marketability, then for the stability of the team dynamics.
Sainz and Leclerc are nice guys. Occon in an idiot.
There are cultural differences at play here. Ever worked for a French company?
I hate paying for Premium and then have ads from the Podcasters...
Feel bad for the guy, been given a tractor to drive in 2024.
There again is a reason why he didn't get a contract, he basically destroyed too many cars at Force India.
It's an interesting talk but I always got the impression Ocon is the kind of guy who would stab you in the back if it benefited him. He seems to have a lot of anger behind the façade of a nice guy.
Pretty much the opposite
Opposite actually. I don’t know him personally but racer Ocon and person Ocon are quite contrast. “Kind of guy to stab people in the back if it benefits him”, racer Ocon might, but person Ocon literally bought his parents house with garage the first thing when he got money from F1, then paid back all the debts from when he went from karting, and when Stroll took the F1 seat from him, Ocon defended him from all the hate and remained his best friend
@@ChiNguyenHaiHa I feel like there is a difference between being a hard racer like Leclerc is for instance, and being a dick. If you're a dick on the track, you'll be one off it. Ocon had to fight for what he has and he hasn't stopped. He lacks true confidence in himself and needs to protect his fragile ego.
The house matter you bring up doesn't surprise me, what I know about "poor" families is that they usually stick together and this is how he was brought up. However, when asked if he thanked them he was clearly uncomfortable and while he provided a somewhat reasonable explanation he tried way too hard (ergo my 1st paragraph).
@@Czeslaw_cn4tv I have nothing to say but to point out you let your ideas of him cloud your judgement. I have always been fascinated with his journey and took time listening/reading his many interviews. If he has “fragile ego” he would not forgive Stroll for taking his seat, would not freely admit how he broke down in his car after losing his seat (I struggled to think if someone with a fragile ego would admit about something like that). About thanking his parents, you don’t know how many interviews he gave where he expressed how grateful he was for his parents, but he also made it clear that his upbringing was not something he would like to discuss every time (basically every interview he got asked about it). He doesn’t have much fans, but he really cherished those that he has and there have been many people who change their opinions about him when meeting him in real life (he told a story once when he was genuinely surprised a fan told him he used to hate him, but now they’re not anymore, he’s like “you don’t even know me”), because his motto is “he used to be a fan, so he understood the fans want to meet the drivers”, so he always makes time to have little chat with them.
He also said many times he’s more fortunate than many to have parents who love him that much
@@ChiNguyenHaiHa i see your point but we'll just have to disagree. I didn't come into F1 with a prejudice towards Ocon. There's just something in his vibe that doesn't sit with me.
On a side note people with a fragile ego can behave the way you described if it garners them sympathy. It's common among covert narcissists. Not implying he is one.
The word -or- wording, the High Performance interviewers, although British, failed to capture or interpret from Esteban's effort to communicate the essence of, was NEGLECT. I am actually baffled that my Belgo-French upbringing, helped by my career in America, allowed me to capture that .. Older generations are so much better in literary matters, even compared to the High Performance guys, who are still far removed from being young, albeit not as close to turn seventy as I am... Cheers for a good interview anyways...at least Esteban did an excellent job!
21:00 was a big reveal for me.
No hard feeling for Max, but Ocon I respect you a lot .
for the algo
So that Brazil crash wasn't about "unlaping" himself only 😅
He paid the favor back to Toto.
This lighting is awful- or maybe it’s supposed to be harsh and shadowy on Esteban?!!
It is set up for Helmut I think. Don't know why they want to give Esteban a black eye.
??? can’t you look through this, and simply listen instead of going into a rabbit hole and create a conspiracy?
@@ronbally2312 of course. I’m just into photography and having people look their best. This is not an audio-only podcast so I can’t understand why the lighting is so uneven, unless they have set it up that way on purpose. If that’s the case I don’t understand why- it doesn’t look good imo
Ocon:
“My approach as a teammate is to try putting them in the wall as they pass on the straights.”
I do not like Ocon as a driver, but this interview only confirms Jos's shortcomings. It will eventually become apparent to Max that his father is the problem. It will unfortunately be too late.
The only chance Max to battle side by side with Ocon is when he try to lap him😂
Negligent is what he said and theze english people still cant understand it.
The interviewer is extremely biased in the way he talked about Ocon beating Max in F3.
He forgot those 3 things:
-Max drove for Van Amersfoort (also had 1 year less experience), while Ocon drove for Prema
-Max became the first driver to win 6 consecutive races in that category
-Max made his case in Noisiring in the pouring rain, lapping 2 seconds faster than anyone else.
Na na na na hey hey, goodbye
God forbid the ego and entitlement this man would have if he didn't come from "humble beginnings." It is the only storyline that makes people tolerate him somewhat and he makes sure to always bring it up. Humble beginnings does not mean he is entitled to be treated as his better counterparts. Imagine if he was even half as good as he says he is. lol
Spot on Sir
Lol when max hits him you think that isnt entitlement
It's funny that Ocon omits the fact that Verstappen came into F3 as a rookie in a back market team while Ocon was already for a while in open wheel racing & F3 and racing for Prema, which has won EVERY constructor titles in F3 during that period. Such an annoying dude in F1. He is a mid tier driver at best.
Actually it was his first year in F3 as well he won it as a rookie. He was in Formel Renault before... So please dont put fake news out there just to hate on Ocon or protect Max (as if he needs that as a soon 4 time F1 champion)
@@FormulaMarius Still was with Prema wich was a way better team, had less victories than Max that year + Max had more reliability issues. It was also's Max's first season in any real car whatsoever. Max was the standout driver in F3 that season. And that is why they chose him over Ocon. Ocon is just not on that level. Never was and never will be.
@@FormulaMarius It was not Ocon's first year in Open wheel racing, it was his third, 2 years of Formula Renault prior. Max directly went from karting into F3 and only remained there for 1 season. He only did some Formula Renault testing pior before directly going into F3. This is a big difference and can be confirmed through both their history which is recorded on the Internet. So stick that fake news up your ass.
Not protecting Max here, just pointing out that Ocon is not forthcoming and honest about why he isn't having the same status as Max. Max by the way had 8 DNF's and 1 DNS during that season, because of running for a backmarker team. He had the most wins in a row record and most wins in a season of 10 wins. Ocon just is not in the same league.
It is fully OK t celebrate your successes and not be fully nuanced about it. “if then else” doesn’t count; who wins does.
@@ronbally2312 See That argument makes no sense. With your logic Max is winning F1 so by that retoric he is clearly way better than Ocon anyway. "If then else" does count. In F3 Max was clearly a more outstanding driver even though Ocon won.
By negligate he means neglect
I don't like him but he had a hard childhood his family did everything to help him
I think he's admirable if not for being an F1 driver but one of the last true talent and work ethic from humble beginnings like you and me. They risked everything and it worked out. The Ocon's made it work.
Commendable and admirable, I would be very interested to see him in a Red Bull. I know that.
If it were up to me I'd give him a shot in the Mercedes for 2025. He has earned that seat.
That's why its not upto you. Toto Wolff is way too smart to ever let this guy a place in Mercedes. Will be absolute chaos.
Brazil 2018, I won't forget, neither will Max 😅
I agree, hopefully Max will remember to leave space next time.
Max is a once in a generation talent. Currently, it seems only Lewis can drive at his level, and we r not even sure about that. Remember they took him from f3 to f1 and he beat Riccardo who managed to push Vettel out of Red bull.
Lol we all saw how great he was in baku 2018
Lewis tbh isn’t even really at his level either (but had a brilliant spell from 2015 to 2020, albeit asked by Merc nailing the turbo-hybrid regs). Leclerc is someone who can touch that same horizon of extreme pace and performance, but he cannot do so at the same level of relentless consistency or ruthless efficiency. Alonso meanwhile doesn’t have the same raw pace of 10-15 years ago, but any deficiencies he lacks in outright pace he makes up with race-craft, cunning and elite racing IQ (and Sainz is another Alonso in the making in this regard).
dont speak as a hater, Rveryone knows LH44 is talented, he beat Alonso in his prime and they had to cheat him for Max to win his first championship. There is not a single person who has ever said Lewis is not super fast, even the redbull enemies concede that fact.@@Marcoz588
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Unfortunately not, many people believe Hamilton is overrated.
Btw, i still think Max was the better drive in 2021, he lost at least 43 points that season through no fault of his own, while Hamilton (except Baku) never payed for his mistake.
I'm honestly surprised that Esteban is still in F1. He has never beaten a teammate ever (2022 doesn't count and who would think that he's better than Alonso anyways lol), he had numerous accidents with his teammates due to his extraordinary aggressiveness - he's mediocre at best but he thinks he's a driving god. And I can't forget his smug smiling face after he casually knocked Max out from P1 in Brazil.
You have to choose a metric.
If you go by points, he beaten Fernando in 2022 (which shows it's a bad metric).
If you go by head to head finishes (which is not perfect but still more accurate than points), he beaten Perez in 2018 and Gasly in 2023 (each time he had a clear edge, but more DNFs).
When it comes to "numerous accidents", how many times was he at fault for an incident that knocked a teammate out of the race ?
I looked about it, that's one (Baku 2017). I'm sure half of the grid has a similar record.
And talking about the "mediocre at best", I think we all agree that the top 3 drivers on the grid are Lewis, Max and Fernando, after all they're the only WDCs still here.
Ocon is 21-23 in qualy and 17-17 in H2H race finishes against Alonso.
Russell was 20-24 in qualy and 16-21 in H2H race finishes against Hamilton at the end of 2023.
Albon is 1-25 in qualy and 2-16 in H2H race finishes against Max.
And I don't remember F1 fans calling Russell and Albon "mediocre at best".
Dislike him as much as you want, liking a personality is something subjective, to each its own.
But he has proven a lot more than drivers like Sargeant, Zhou, Magnussen, Stroll or Tsunoda when it comes to actual performance on track and he's not as washed as Bottas or Ricciardo are.
@@GinoLaMainFroideyou could also add Wehrlein since in the 9 races they were teammates, Ocon had the highest finishing position (P12 Ocon, P13 Wehrlein). Wehrlein scored his point when Haryanto was still his teammate. H2H, it was 3-3 in races where they both finished.
@@GinoLaMainFroide Albon and Russell are mediocre at best. Just like Ocon. Thank you for proving that in your comment. Mediocre means middle of the pack so yes there are definately worse drivers than him. Problem is there are also just as many better drivers than him.
@@GinoLaMainFroideoh cmon don’t lump yuki in with those guys he’s definitely got an edge over them
@@jamesvoneschen6603Yuki is probably better than the other 6 I mentioned in his current form, he had a mostly good pace to start the season, especially in qualy.
I just think he's not at Gasly or Albon level yet because of him being unimpressive against a rookie Lawson last year and because of him still having anger management issues that could be costly.
"I never got to go skiing on holiday, I had to go to the race track" the privilege is unreal
lol compared to 95% of drivers who karted, Ocon was on the lower end of the spectrum in terms of wealth. F1 requires a crazy amount of wealth just to participate let alone get a guaranteed seat. All of these guys are crazy privileged.
Privilege??? Have you listened to what his parents had to give up to make all of that happen? For sure a privilege to have such parents that believe in you but that is another kind of wealth.
@@johnsmith5639 yea they all come from wealthy backgrounds otherwise they wouldnt be there. but to go "i didnt get live a life like the other rich kids, i had to go karting during the weekends". Its an amazing opportunity he had not some hardship
@@ronbally2312 i agree with you which is why i wrote privilege and not wealth. I just watched a video with im saying how he enjoyed life on the road living in the camper. He got to race go karts and now f1 cars hes living a little kids dream hes extremely privileged. Im really sorry he didnt get to go skiing like the other rich kids. i would have called CPS if my parents made me race cars instead of ski
Worst teammate ever
Great guy, horrible teammate
Do you think drivers with winners mentality like Max, Alonso, Lewis even care to become a good 'teammate' ?? He partnered Alonso and Alonso has been a terrible teammate throughout his career, and he should be because he's not in F1 to be an ideal teammate. This mentality is a default setting in Ocon, and this will make him a Champ material. Like it or not...
@@mayanksharma5478He will never be a champion, he's not even close to Vettel and far behind guys like Alonso or Lewis. All drivers have strong opinions and mentality but Ocon is simply driven by jealousy of his team mates skills. He prefers to look better against team mate than perform. Definitely not champion materiał,and one of worst teammates ever.
@@korf79 That is quite harsh thing to say, sir.
@@mayanksharma5478 Ocon is in nobody's 'future world champion' books lol.
Horrible Guy, horrible teammate
Fernando, Fernando, Fernando!!!
It would have been much better if they have talked about that Hungarian race victory to Fernando instead of him.
Cut-Paste his secton to fernandos if available or if not then delete it.
Ocon as a driver???
I guess its time to watch Alonso episode again
And checo, and max
I cant believe how delusional this guy is. Max beat him in F3 with maybe the worst car+engine+team. Max demolishes him in F1. He has been managed by Toto all these years, and never even considered to join Mercedes team says a lot about Ocon's true potential. Stop playing victim, there are kids who lack food, your parents were able to get you into F1, and now you get millions of dollars. It is beyond me how he tries to portray himself as a nice guy, but actions speak louder than any words.
Yeah he always tries to put himself on the same level as Max but it's starting to sound a bit pathetic. Also, he has told that story way too many times by now. I never heard him say what a great driver Max is, in his head he is just as good...so yeah a bit delusional. His accomplishments in F1 so far have been very underwhelming
@@hiufgterdeDrivers have to selfishly believe that they are the best on the grid. If he starts talking about how great Max is then Max psychologically beats him already. Play the game, boys.
@@RussellTurner Your psychological beliefs are rubbish.
@@hiufgterde He literally says "Hats off to them for what they've done" when talking about Max and his dad and how they've raced from karting to now
@@stnbch3025 How many years of working in professional motorsport do you have? Shall we compare?
Verstappen was BEATEN by ocon in F3! I'm m so glad Ocon is further proving how overrated verstappen is 😄
What a load of nonsense.
@@rory112he’s right though
My guess is that you are the kind of person that will keep saying that Verstappen is overrated, regardless of his accomplishments. It’s like saying that Hamilton is overrated, because he was driving the Mercedes with all that surplus of power.
I'd love to hear you explain how exactly Ocon is "further proving how overrated Verstappen is"!!
Please, please, please enlighten us 🤣🤣🤣
If ocon really beat max then why the 2 big team in f1 looking for max and not ocon ? See the bigger picture
The kind of selfish racer that he's shown himself to be, its very difficult to imagine him being very 'responsible' as he claims. Yes dude you came from adversity but that doesnt give you the license to be a jerk to your teammate.
HAHHHA this guy, first win story not mentioning how Alonso was fundamental for him to achieve that! Unreal, and people still asking why the guy is so hated
The most dislikeable guy in F1. Alonso literally gift him his unique victory.
Ah yes.. Ocon.. the kind of guy that will smear the competition at every chance he gets.
He didn’t go to F1 because he got murdered by a kid in a shit car.
Tutorial to How narcissistic can one man be 😂😂
I'm not really interested in this episode. I here only to leave my opinion about Occon: he is a complete mooron.
ocon is the mazipin of teammates
People forget that max was never that good, he only looks good now coz his car is miles ahead of the second team and he has a really weak teammate, now in last 2 races he's made more mistakes than he made in 2 years because he has some competition now from ferrari and mclaren
Odd how he has never thanked his parents for their sacrifices. He thinks he is great, for having his parents continue to work for him now. So he has never by words or deeds freely given back to his family. Is this French Mentality or Ocon is just a Narcissist?
He never paid respect or showed gratitude?! What?! This guy devoted his first salary, which he earned from driving in DTM and F1, entirely to his parents (he said in an interview last year at the GP). He invested his first money in them. He made sure that they had a place to live and a secure existence. He provided resources for his father so that he could continue working as a mechanic. He bought him a letter of invitation to the workshop. He took his mother to the Cannes Film Festival last year because she had always dreamed about it (when athletes and celebrities take their partners). He praises his parents above all else. He calls his father the best mechanic, and considers his mother to be the greatest inspiration among the women he knows (last week he answered a question from a fan on Instagram who asked him about it).
you just shitting on the guy for no reason
You how nothing to your parents mate, what you say isn't true anyway.
I don,t like him
Irrelevant and unwanted opinion
Ocon is a joke and every driver on the grid knows it. He'll put his teammate in the wall fighting over p16
I guarantee you didn’t even watch, just being a wanker without even watching or listening