Prelude to The Hobbit - What led to the Events of the Hobbit? Battle of Azanulbizar - Tolkien Lore
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- Опубліковано 11 сер 2023
- A detailed lore video about the events that let to what we know from The Hobbit book. We talk about the Dwarves a lot, esp. about the Sacking of Erebor due to the Dragon Smaug and the Battle of Azanulbizar. But Also about the White Council, the struggles of Gondor and Rohan and the birth of Aragorn.
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I have permission of the artists to use their art works.
► Artwork and special thanks to:
Kimberly80 - deviantart.com/kimberly80
Ted Nasmith - tednasmith.com
Jenny Dolfen Art - / jennydolfen or goldseven.wordpress.com - etsy.com/de/shop/JennyDolfen
Sara Morello Art - deviantart.com/samo-art
Pete Amachree - artstation.com/summerpudding
► Sources:
The Lord of The Rings (1954-1955) by J. R. R. Tolkien
The Silmarillion (1977)
The Hobbit (1937; 1951)
Unfinished Tales (1980)
The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien (1981)
The Peoples of Middle-earth (1996)
The War of The Jewels (1994)
The Lost Road and Other Writings (1987)
The Shaping of Middle-earth (1986)
Morgoth's Ring (1993)
History of the Hobbit (2007)
The Nature of Middle-earth (2021)
TolkienGateway.net
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Amazon (John Howe)
Edited by: Murdo
Aman map by ThePhilosophersGames
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I hope you enjoy the video ^^ Took some time to make. I maybe stream later on Twitch
Shout-outs to the artists (links in the description):
Kimberly80
Ted Nasmith
Sara Morello Art
Jenny Dolfen
Pete Amachree
(and all the others ^^)
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Wow, absolutely love the quote "..it gives patience, to listen to error without anger." Something I've been feeling in my own life; not jumping to anger or defiance in the face of opposition, but biding your time and allowing wisdom to light the path.
yes that's a good one ^^ I can also relate to that, but I don't smoke. Tea does the job as well though for me
@@ThePhilosophersGames Haha, I used to smoke, pretty heavily, but quit about 10 years ago. I still have that small, nostalgic regret which gets stronger when reading texts I first read as a child. I think it's different for us watching movies or reading books where characters smoke as part of the narrative. There's a genuine emotional pull, as silly as that sounds written down. Anyway, it adds a comforting vibe to some writings and possibly lends weight to certain scenes which non-smokers might miss out on!
I thoroughly enjoyed listening to all the info and filling in some of the gaps that had not been explained before. Thank you for the extensive work that went into this video and look forward to hearing more... Unbelievable.
Thank you much appreciated. I'm very happy to hear that I could provide something new to Tolkien fans. It's an interesting topic and I also learnt new things while doing research 😄
Lovely to see you back into the long form videos again. I've missed your narration ♥
Thank you ^^ Yes the longer format is quite popular it seems, but as said in streams I consider everything above 20 minutes as long already. And I als made a 40+ min video about Path Tracing on the gaming channel recently.
Great I’ve missed your videos 🙌
Yes video took longer than planned. Was in the works for quite some time and I worked on some bigger videos as well on the games channel recently. Also the Gollum Lore Let's Play were also longer videos. I liked the format there (was also 1+ hours per episode), but people seem to not be interested in the videos 😅
I have Tolkien’s translation of the Book of Jonah in my Jerusalem Bible. It is beautiful and fascinating. Voyage Comics, in a beautifully produced and illustrated series, used the Tolkien translation as inspiration for one of their fantastical adventures.
Wonderful. Thank you.
Thank you as well, glad you liked it ^^
Been subbed and liking for quite a few years now Chris. Great video as always my friend!👍👍
Thank you. Happy that my long time viewers enjoy the video ❤️
Great video as always Chris! It really helps to establish the context for The Hobbit.
Thank you, much appreciated ^^ Yes agreed. It's quite interesting how many things ultimately led to the events of the Hobbit. I also learnt and noticed a few new things while doing research.
Excellent work, thanks!
Happy you enjoyed it and thank you, much appreciated :)
What an amazing video. I love the longer videos, feels like a tale.
Thank you ^^ Very happy you enjoyed the video and yes I think it really is a tale with tons of side info. These very long videos are just always tough to make for me.
Your content is worth the wait! Thanks, Chris!
Amazing video. Thank you for the hard work!💙
Glad you enjoyed the video, much appreciated and thank you as well for taking the time to write a comment ^^
Klasse Video wie immer super akkurat und unterhaltsam 👍Hätte meinetwegen noch 3 Stunden länger sein können 😁
haha thank you ^^ If it was 3 hours long, it would have taken 3 times as long to make, a thought I find discouraging (from a creators perspective) 😂 Who is Elrond 2 with 2:47 hours was a nightmare to make 😅
So good to hear your voice again, Chris! Thanks as always for your dedication and effort. ❤
thank you ^^ On the gaming channel it could been heard also a few time, but ofc not everyone is into gaming and there are too many different games and genres. I plan a lore Q&A Stream this week as well.
Amazing video, as usual!
Thank you as always ^^
Great video!
Thank you ^^ Glad you liked it.
Thank you for your videos.
Glad you enjoyed them. Much appreciated and thank you as well for commenting 👍
Just found this channel. Excellent content
Thank you, welcome on board ^^
Very well done! I am quite pleased with your explanations and will be happy to recommend you in the LOTR groups I follow.
Thank you, much appreciated ^^
Thank you once again for your tireless work! I admit I never gave this as much thought as I should, with the threads a giant ball in my head, but you put thins together so smoothly that I feel like I have a better grasp now. Though, as with many of your works, I'm sure it could use a few more rewatches. The effort you put into these, and the ideas you present (Please feel free to ALWAYS include 'just' your headcanons!) are always apparent and a joy to hear!
Thank you too, hope you are doing well ^^
Yes I think the details that led to the Hobbit are less discussed, compared to what happened before Lord of the Rings.
@@ThePhilosophersGames they truly are. Maybe it's all of us elves with our superiority complexes. ;) well wait, no, who am I kidding . I'm just a hobbit who wishes I was an elf... but joking aside I'm also a part of dwarves need more love/appreciation club.
haha true I'm also a Hobbit at heart, who thinks he is an Elf 😂 PS: agreed, Dwarves need more appreciation.
@@ThePhilosophersGames what I'm getting from this is clearly we need to start a hobbit-elf + dwarven alliance club. The only trouble is finding a dwarf to cross the line. maybe the stature will make them more kindly to trusting us as opposed to 'true' elves...
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Great Job on the Video... It makes sense to me... 👍🇺🇲✌️
Thank you ^^
Great video! I will always be disappointed that Peter Jackson did not include Dain seeing Durin's Bane.
Yes that would have been so cool imo I agree
Or Tom Bombadil Pete jack@$$ was stupid for those two mistakes,fake as Hollywood love seens where stupid.
Great job man 👨
Thank you ^^
Another clue to Smaug's age can be found 'way back in Chapter 1 of The Hobbit ("An Unexpected Party") when the secret entrance into Erebor is being discussed:
"It may have been secret once," said Thorin, "but how do we know that it is secret any longer? Old Smaug has lived there long enough now to find out anything there is to know about those caves."
"He may -- but he can't have used it for years and years."
"Why?"
"Because it is too small. 'Five feet high the door and three may walk abreast' say the runes, but Smaug could not creep into a hole that size, not even when he was a young dragon, certainly not after devouring so many of the dwarves and men of Dale."
The implication here is that Smaug was still a young dragon when he first came to Erebor. We cannot know exactly how long it takes for a dragon to mature, but it seems likely that Smaug was hatched in the Withered Heath, where the dragons were breeding, around the middle of the Third Age or later.
Thank you, good point ^^ I red that passage as well during research, and as you say it also goes more into the direction of a younger dragon, which also fits the other argument about Erebor (PS: I mean Esgaroth) not being that old.
@@ThePhilosophersGames Well, we know that the kingdom of Erebor was established in the year 1999 of the Third Age, though Durin's Folk seems to have been mining the Lonely Mountain before that date.
EDIT: It seems possible (if not likely) that the remains of the older Esgaroth that Bilbo spotted were the remnants of a previous version of the town that was destroyed by Smaug (although this is far from certain). The original Esgaroth might have been built by the side of the Long Lake perhaps even before the founding of Dale.
My mistake I meant Esgaroth
Sweet!
haha yes hope you like it ^^
The explanation for the pronunciation of the name of Scatha the Worm eluded me
I find it hilarious that dragons were obsessed with kidnapping maidens. Did they taste better?
haha maybe 😂
I've noticed a recurring error in your discussion of things: "prophetized" is not a word, you should be saying "prophesied." It is good old confusing English, after all. Thank you for all of your good work.
Oh thank you for that hint. I guess it makes sense, because in my native language it's "prophezeien" though the Z is pronounced "ts" (prophet-saien), I assume I transferred that phonetic detail to English and made prophet + ized out of it, though even in German the Z sound is more a phonetic "quirk" and it's actually very similar to how it is in English. I try to say it correctly from now on 😄👍 Thanks again.
Have you ever checked out Middle-earth Role Playing Game (MERP)? Wealth of lore in those books and it was a great game.
Yes a bit. There si a lot of stuff in it, but I think not all is canon ^^
First choice on middle earth lore, but we need more vids bro
haha thank you ^^ Quality needs its time unfortunately. This year is a bit the year of video games. So I make also again some content there for the games channel + other projects.
It’s quite interesting that Thrór’s Ring, one of the Seven, was very much like the Nine Rings, and was meant to gradually turn its bearer into a Ringwraith. But Dwarves don’t become Wraiths.
I missed the invention of golf by Brandobras "Bullroarer" Took. Was that supposed to be in this video or the prior?
yes that was previous video:
ua-cam.com/video/RmbMNEKPlvg/v-deo.html
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Thanks!! I will look that up after while, I quite enjoyed this video.
I was wondering about something for quite sometime now. Who was leading the Dunedain after Arathorn died? Aragorn assumed command at age 2 or 3... Obviously someone else was in charge whilst Estel studied and grew?
🤔Thinking about this has gotten me to lean towards the guess that Eladan and Elrohir lead for those 20 years or so..
good question. I'm not aware that Tolkien wrote an explanation somewhere, but I could ne wrong. I could imagine that among the Dúnedain Rangers were other noble Lords. Those could have led the Dúnedain until Aragorn was old enough. There was for sure some "command" structure as well and ofc I think the Rangers were also not always together, with some exceptions. We know them holding Sarn Ford, etc. But that was also closer to war times and when Aragorn was old enough already. Most of the fighting later also happened elsewhere. So I could imagine they could live without the official leader in peace times for some time.
I’m more interested in the period that leads to the period that lead to the Hobbit. And a few days I’ll be more interested in the one before that
I got you covered then:
ua-cam.com/video/RmbMNEKPlvg/v-deo.html (the period that leads to the period that lead to the Hobbit)
ua-cam.com/video/pb8RFPDxd3Q/v-deo.html (the one before that) 😂
Or check the whole Playlist:
ua-cam.com/video/YgQg_lZlnx0/v-deo.html
Uh, that was Thrain. Thorin Oakenshield was Thorin II
Yes, Thorin Oakenshield is Thorin II. Did I make a mistake somewhere in the video?
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Thank you ^^
Has anyone ever told you that you have the fake perfect accent when discussing Tolkien's world.
The Hobbit 😍😍😍
The Hobbit is always a pretty interesting topic ^^
... kinda allways thought "smaug" was a rewrite/stole idè from the old saga abouth Siggurd Fafnìrbane... dont know tho..
Yes there is for sure inspiration and Tolkien also mentions it in letter 122 from 1949:
"I find 'dragons' a fascinating product of imagination. But I don't think the Beowulf one is frightfully good. But the whole problem of the intrusion of the 'dragon' into northern imagination and its transformation there is one I do not know enough about. Fafnir in the late Norse versions of the Sigurd-story is better; and Smaug and his conversation obviously is in debt there."
Indian red dot have no binders ..sell u some extended warranty in a heartbeat
I love you
haha 😄
Has anyone considered how one guy created all this?
Tolkien spent his whole life working on it (often in his free time) and that one life time was not enough, so there are still many things that are work in progress and unfinished. Plus he must have had an impressive ability to memorise things, because he did all of it on paper. Really impressive for sure.
I still say that pipeweed is really cannabis
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mmm.
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Your slides transition way too fast. Hard to keep up without pausing video.
Yes I noticed while editing that some text stuff is on screen far too short and I tried to make it a bit longer in some cases it did not work well transition wise. I have to look into it again for the all in one version. Often though I explain what is written anyway and in the cases where not, I tried to keep the text longer ons screen or show the same text again later (there might be exceptions though). Would not worry too much about it. E.g. the Character info for Melkor and others will show up very often in the all in one version. So there should be enough time to read it all. But thank you for the hint. Hope I can improve that for the all-in-one version.
Please fix the title it’s lead not let
Actually, the past tense of "to lead" is "led" not "lead."
yes meant to write "led" as @Keffinated write. Thanks for the hint! Much appreciated 👍 Hope you people liked the video. there might be tons of typos in it though 😅
@@ThePhilosophersGames great video loved it
awesome, glad you liked it ^^
I never realize how antisemitic tolkien was until i was older.
I assume you refer to the Dwarves in Tolkien's world and some common antisemitic stereotypes? Yes one can see Tolkien's descriptions as antisemitic, but it's not like there also exist different options on that. E.g. the source of the Dwarves greed is not fully inherent in them, but due to a magic ring they got gifted by somebody else (also created by somebody else). In one version the Longbeards (Durin's house) got their Ring even gifted by Celebrimbor, an Elf and not be Sauron. Further they are immune to being turned to wraiths or to the life prolonging effect. It can only fire up greed in them:
"For the Dwarves had proved untameable by this means. The only power over them that the Rings wielded was to inflame their hearts with a greed of gold and precious things, so that if they lacked them all other good things seemed profitless, and they were filled with wrath and desire for vengeance on all who deprived them. But they were made from their beginning of a kind to resist most steadfastly any domination. Though they could be slain or broken, they could not be reduced to shadows enslaved to another will; and for the same reason their lives were not affected by any Ring, to live either longer or shorter because of it. All the more did Sauron hate the possessors and desire to dispossess them." - LotR, Appendix A
There is an interesting answer Tolkien wrote to a German Publisher in Nazi Germany about publishing the Hobbit in Germany and if he was "arisch" (Letter 30):
"Thank you for your letter. .... I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend by arisch. I am
not of Aryan extraction: that is Indo-iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke
Flindustani, Persian, Gypsy, or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are enquiring
whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that
gifted people. My great-great-grandfather came to England in the eighteenth century from
Germany: the main part of my descent is therefore purely English, and I am an English subject -
which should be sufficient. [...]"
Also I think that a part of that a quote of Tolkien regarding Dwarves and Jews is always ignored:
"I do think of the 'Dwarves' like Jews: at once native and alien in their habitations, speaking the languages of the country, but with an accent due to their own private tongue....." - Letter 176
He focuses on two aspects of history and culture (" at once native and alien in their habitations") and "speaking the languages of the country, but with an accent due to their own private tongue"
You can ofc argue that including some antisemitic stereotypes as well (esp. in this context) remains a problem and you would not be wrong. But at least the use is a bit more nuanced and Dwarves, immense stubbornness, are usually very positive figures in his world with a tragic story and you can definitely feel and understand their desires. Though ofc Thorin Oakenshield never possessed a Ring of Power and still want Erebor for himself, though he himself also seems him in a tough spot and Tolkien also places some nuance to that as well (conflict between Dwarves and Elves or lines like these "Though he had hunted chiefly for the Arkenstone, yet he had an eye for many another wonderful thing that was lying there, about which were wound old memories of the labours and the sorrows of his race" - The Hobbit, The Gathering of the Clouds). And the feud between Dwarves and Elves Tolkien even later kind of resolves with Gimli and Legolas (Legolas father Thranduil is most likely an Elf from Doriath, where the feud between Elves and Dwarves started).
I think you might be confusing him with Roald Dahl, as you're talking complete drivel