The KTM has adjustable handlebar and rearset positions, you had the former in the back position and the latter in the front, those are the "street" settings ("supermoto" as you called them). For the track the handlebar should ideally be in the forward position to put more weight over the front and the rearsets in the back position for better cornering clearance and body position for the track. Great video otherwise.
Triumph made great strides getting the Speed Triple to 436 lbs wet weight, it really feels like a Street Triple with more power. I own one and I completely agree that while the suspension may feel stiff on the street, it feels amazing at the track.
As far as the horsepower deficit, I'm pretty sure a 1160cc engine is being held back significantly via emissions and sound regs. 177 hp and 92 ft-lb (crank) isn't coming out on their dyno. I'd expect about 158 hp and 82 ft-lb at the wheel.
@@jace2wheel762 Is that USA or overseas? Also dyno correction factors are usually one of two usual systems, either STD or SAE. The STD is an older correction factor which usually reads higher.
@@exothermal.sprocket canada. Traditionally the final drive accounts for a loss of 10hp and 3 to 5 ft lb... My current speedy 1050(in my pic) i modded to 193 hp and 91ft lb at the crank. Dyno'd at 181hp and 88.7 ft lb at the wheel. A little too much even by my standards and lol the ecu is not exactly factory spec. I had to get a third party warranty lol but she'll do 198mph. Verified by telemetry because the speedo is useless beyond 240 or 250 kph(150 to 155 mph) and being a naked, tuck all you want...you cant maintain higher speeds for too long. The buffeting is amazing
Drop the 30 pound exhaust, swap in some light wheels, update the suspension a bit, and put in a call to Brock's for that cool 227 wheel horsepower. It would be a pretty cool road bike, blistering fast.
Surprised only one of the big (Japanese) four were featured in this shootout! Would've liked to see the MT10-SP, Katana or GSX-S1OOO, and CB1000R included.
I'm glad you realise how fantasticc the Triumph triple engine is ! It's not always about outright horsepower but real world, usable power, whiccch many riders fail to appreciate. I have always loved the Tuona V4 but Triumph must be the new king ! Excellent review !
Mark is a great addition to the feedback, I can tell he's a very fast rider and engineering minded, very articulate and succinct in his feedback. He provides a nice counterpoint to Evans humbly referring to himself as the "mere mortal" among the group. Would have been interesting to hear from Ken in person, but he might just not like the new whiz-bang electronics.
I have the Speed Triple RS and have had a Tuono Factory; they’re both amazing bikes. Both are incredible bikes especially on track, the Tuono though is the best for both street and track.
The best thing about the Tuono is that it's existence has really pushed this category into excellence. I own a Tuono Factory and I absolutely love it. The rest are all great with different personalities and with the exception of two bikes in this test, I would consider them as a great add to my garage.
The only thing coming close to it, when it was released, was the 2008 Ducati streetfighter, at 155hp. The Tuono V4 smashed the market with a 170cv naked bike, when the other bikes except for ducati were barely making 130cv, like the triumph, the japanese ect. Before the SuperDuke the only thing that came close, but never on par, was the BMW a couple years later with the s1000r.
I'm with Troy. I own a SDR 3.0 and absolutely love it. It's everything he stated and will make you giggle like a child on the street and track. So much useable power EVERYWHERE! I added BST carbon wheels and the KTM/Gilles rearsets and it feels "Ready to Race". I've ridden the Tuono Factory and SFV4S, and they're also top notch, with the edge going to the Ducati. It's really user friendly and easy to go fast on, which may be a bit detrimental to your license on the street, but worth the risk. I'd like to try the new Speed Triple. I like the character of that motor and being the lightest bike makes it intriguing. Great comparison, but I think Ken just hates electronics. He's old school! I see a lot of grumblings in the comments about the MT-10 not being included. The MT-10 SP weighs in at 467lbs and has 131 RWHP, which is far less HP than any in the test, but as much weight as some of the heavier contestants. And let's face it, the only reason the MV and Kawi were included is because one is the most exotic and expensive, and the other has a supercharger
The 2021 MT10 has 160bhp and plenty of dynos showing ~150 to the rear wheel. Idk where you're getting "131rwhp" from, but if you don't like those bikes just say so. The MT10 SP consistently rank highly and usually finishes 2nd or 3rd in ratings for hyper naked shootouts. THAT is why people are grumbling that it is left out; it's because the MT10 is so good and usually finishes highly ranked among its peers. No, I don't own one so I am not biased but disregarding it so casually is just silly.
@@tylerross3847 I don't know what charts you're citing, but no bike with 160BHP is putting 150HP down at the rear wheel. All the comparison dynos have it at 131RWHP consistently. I've ridden an MT10, and a SFV4S, a Tuono Factory, and I own a Super Duke. The MT10 is a fun bike, but it's not in the same class as the Ducati, KTM, or Aprilia. I'd argue that it's probably better and more fun than the BMW, and definitely a better all arounder than the Kawi and MV, but it's not top tier without engine, exhaust, ergo, and definitely suspension mods. It's also fugly as hell
Job well done, guys 💖. As a proud owner of a Tuono Factory 2019, I can absolutely agree with your choice, haha. I did a 'Rom-Tuning' with my bike. Now it has no revolutions gap at 3000 rpm any more and it is way faster concerning the topspeed. There's now also a sound evolution! Oh my God, it was excellent before but now....unbelievable (with the original exhaust).
I test road that ktm superduke 1290 r last weekend and it was a blast. 2nd gear pulling wheelies. It is a badass motorcycle and will be purchasing one soon
I love the 1290 Super Duke R. Owned one, and while its not a perfect bike, and it will occasionally try to murder you, it will do it while you're smiling... Its a fun bike that will get you smiling on the road, its docile enough around town, and fun on the canyons and on the track days I took it to. I think I had as much fun on the track with this as I did with the ZX-66Rs and R6 I owned and the R1M bike I owned. As for all KTM, recomend the ergo seat upgrade and an Akrapovic exhaust upgrade (may SC Project). BIke did good on few long range trips too. and that took few modifications. Again, Keep it naked for the track, daily use and canyon carving, but you add a windscreen, lugage, and maybe some handle guards, and you got a good tourer.
Greetings from the UK, I have the Kwak ZH2 bought just for road use so high praise it made it to your track review, I agree with all you said about it, very big and comfy and straight line sped immense, ground toes a few times but need low pegs as I am tall so a trade off, the whole package keeps me smiling..
Great video - only noticed that it was over an hour long after I watched the whole thing. Too bad Ken wasn't around to speak - I've seen KTM be very polarizing before, but haven't seen the Ducati ranked so low by anyone before, so was curious to hear his thoughts.
Sorta wish the updated MT-10 joined fray. But alas. I think one of the greatest unspoken takeaways from these tests has been just how differently the guys scored these machines. A lot of that is the emotional agreement or conflict they produce. I guarantee if this same group of guys got together in 10 years with the same bikes (and a same fresh take), they outcome would change. And that's just how this is, a snapshot in each person's riding career and what appeals to each of us for various reasons. I'm quite glad there's variety. I'm glad there's stuff that is different enough to offer something for everyone. Objectively there's nothing any of these bikes is doing terrible, except the MV price. Hahahaha
100% man. A few years ago neevesy with mcn was doing one of these and said "there are ONLY any complaints about any of these because they were ridden back to back. If anyone rides any of these in isolation they would walk away saying it's the greatest bike ever made". At this level, these are all just staggering achievements in engineering, all hobbled to a degree at least by emissions restrictions. I think they are all so close in performance that it comes down to minor individual preferences.
@@nsparacino Takes a very intuitive experienced journalist to feel what the machine has inside it in terms of capability, whereas emissions and noise restrictions are holding them back. I've felt the contrast myself on a former new FZ1 I had completely tuned out all the restrictions. The difference was quite amazing, in terms of smooth progressive power, drastically reduced overall vibration, precise throttle control, much more safe and predictable behavior especially leaned over in corners. Not to mention the emotional thrill of hearing the engine with a more open exhaust.
At first I thought God damn! Hour video?!? But that hour went by fast! Job well done guys! Really enjoyed it but man I wish the new MT10 SP made it to this test but I'm sure Troy will put something together soon.
A very good test after a long period on youtube! MV Augusta is Italian lazy craftsmanship & IT. Ducati is owned by VW i.e German ingeneers tune the electronics, hence the top notch.
Aprilia just seems to always exceed expectations everytime very top class bike. KTM & Triump amazed honestly great bikes. MV Agusta still expecting something great to come but for now the looks are great
I'm dreaming for the BMW S1000R. In defense of it, it is believed that bmw's point in this bike is to make it the most enjoyable bike in the streets. They didn't focused on the power purposedly. They focused on the handling (which is why they made it very light).
I've pretty much owned all these bikes with the exception of some of the more expensive Italian ones and I just bought a 2022 S1000R, my second single R, it's just so good as a street bike, and absolutely still rips when you need it to. Also has the best warranty.
Michael Neveesy of MCN pretty much said the same thing. It doesn’t have the punch you in the face wow factor or the track poise of some of the others but it is the one you would want to live with and actually spend some time on. Looking at getting one myself.
Indeed, I´ve just bought a 2024 S1000R, after a lot of research and test drives. It is superb, an excellent bike for the streets and twisty roads were I expend most of my driving. It´s so comfortable, excellent alternative settings and very powerful.
As a Speed Triple 12 owner I can't imagine a better everyday bike, I am mostly into canyons (I live in the Mtns) and commuter with track days here and there, I am just smitten with it.
True, CC, ... The Best Hypernaked -- Superduke R EVO 2022 won't be coming in my country - India, or i would buy it. I am torn between Harley (Fat-Boy 2021 / Lowrider 2020 / Sportster-S 2021) versus Indian Scout. I would love to own R1250R - the naked variant of BMW R1250GS (M1300GS upgrade coming in 2022-23) but doubt if it will sell here. Kawa ZH2 is top heavy and looks out of proportion, bulgy/bulky. Ducati Streetfighter V2 seat height of 845mm is tall for me, & if Supersport 950S had its engine, I would want to buy one. Scrambler-1100 is the most comfy bike for city-commute more than any naked/roadster, it's torquey, but underpowered. I don't fancy the Speed Triple 1200 RS but the new & overpriced 1200 RR Cafe looks stunning.
I wonder if the Ducati SF V2 would’ve placed higher than the V4 considering why they placed the Triumph in second. Usable power is more enjoyable than unmanageable power.
Thanks for the in-depth review. It would be interesting to see everyones reactions after first service. Breaking in my Panigale V4 on the track was the most fun I've ever had on 2 wheels. Can't wait to see what she does now.
Great test! However def surprised not to see the MT-10 sp or even the GSXS-1000. If the Kawi is there, I feel like they should be as well. I like them all but would like to see ALL the top dawgs". ;)
Guys, I ride a Tuono 1100 & they are indeed telling the truth... The Tuono is the King of the Nakeds for so so many years for valid reasons Do yourself a favor, and get 1 for yourself. It will be the best decision of your life. And total cost of ownership is cheaper too compared to the red camp As they saying goes "Belum Cuba Belum Tau, dah Cuba, Hari Hari Mau" 😎
No Suzuki no Yamaha no Honda the only reason they put Kawasaki in the lineup is because it cost $20,000 also not everyone has that kind of money let's do a comparison for people that work for a living
I work for a living and bought a zh2se Mine is derestricted, intercooled and absolutely fantastic! It's all about choices. I bet you waste 10 bucks a day at Starbucks... I don't.
800-950cc class is where your dollars do the most. Above that is hugely diminishing returns. Find me a professional level rider on a set up 890 Duke R, a set up MT-09SP, a set up Z900 SE, a set up Monster and show me how these 20G bikes are just going to wipe the floor with those? Forward thrust is only ONE metric of evaluating all of the various dynamics of a bike. How do double the dollars improve the chassis, the brakes, the suspension, the engine character, the handling neutrality or stability, the way in which a bike talks to your butt/hands/feet around your favorite roads? Can another 10 grand make those other metrics twice as good? Three times as good? Is it worth paying another 10 grand for 30 or 40 more horsepower forward thrust that you'll access about 5% of the time, and the other 95% of the time pay the penalty in fuel consumption, insurance, and theft desirability? Stuff to consider. How will you feel when a Ninja 400 blows by you on the track while riding your H2R?
@@exothermal.sprocket if you're getting dusted by a ninja 400 while on an h2r, you shouldn't be on a track. Getting the extra 10% always costs much more than 10%. It's not a out value, it's about exclusivity. Ask any woman why they value lv purses.
Regarding the non electronic suspension on the Triumph, everyone says it is too harsh on the road....its adjustable! Slacken it off a bit and its sublime.
I have not ridden any one of these bikes but it had me thinking how can the MV despite of having all of the best kit possible be such a contrasting package. Just looks good it seems.
I have a Tuono 1100 factory ( 17 ) with 13 kg shaved away ( full Akra evo2, carbon wheels , lithium battery , carbon etc ) and still would like something more responsive and agile especially on the front . But it's a perfect "i can do all " bike for road and trackday use. I'd like to try the new speed triple and the KTM , they look good and so much fun to ride !
NO WAY?!? You mean to tell me that the Aprilia RSV4 with high handlebars turned out to be the best track bike? Wow, who could have possibly guessed that? LOL. Nice review boys.
The Kawasaki for me, as an everyday bike and for someone like me who is not interested in track days. Obviously, these bikes are all exiting except from the MV who has nothing to offer besides of the best looks and an over the top price tag.
Can you do a review on the new Ducati Hypermotard 950sp? These super sport naked bikes are wicked fun and fast. I’m very curious if the hyper feels underpowered.
From an APE lover, have 2... the new rendition has an face only a mother could love.. Btw love the Moto GP bike's looks! Aprilia please read this! Go Aleix!!
What it come to my view... is the 2 fisrt place ranking of the Speed... that no other bike made. If Troy would have rank it 3rd.. It would be the 1st... overall. An had receive the most compliments ofvthe testers. Good job Triumph !!
The new speed triple 1200RR is 178bhp. It looks brilliant and hopefully it doesn't been overdone with intrusive electronics. I'm biassed since my 900 Daytona but it's a antique compared to nowadays but was top heavy.
BMW do a whole bunch of the small stuff that makes their bikes so easy to live with. I'm sure if you complained in person as to why the S1000 wasn't up to scratch on the track, the engineers would look confused and ask why you don't just buy the S1000rr
I've seen all 6 of the top bikes here at track days, so clearly people who buy them use them on track and would want to know how they would do, even though they could have gotten a S1000rr, RSV4, zx10 or panigale.
enjoyed both these videos from ireland - nice work guys. Sadly I can't really ride my super duke right now due to the freezing, wet weather, but nice to see you guys enjoying all these kick ass bikes. great channel !👌 Ken really messed your scores up 😂
@@toofastnobrakes Not hughly different but it will be intresting what the best öhlins suspension money can buy can do to the bike. It will lack a bit power though comp to the top. But the tuono was 32 hp less than the Ducati..
I know the Yamaha and Honda aren't up to 11 like many on this group but I would have liked to see them in there too, just for shits and giggles. Maybe next year ? The MT-10 got a small revamp for 2022, so . . . 😏 Anyway, great work, Crew ! Looking forward to next year. 👌🙂👍
You've put power stats up for the Triumph that are totally incorrect. 177hp it has....177.5 I believe. I think you've put 140 something. Torque too....Way down on whst it has. I think you might of quoted the 1050cc model. Hope this helps.
Good to see that Neevesy isn't the only Aprilia fanboy. That backs up my feeling that he is a straight shooter. You guys ain't half bad either. I wonder how Burns would have rated them on the road but he's a short little curmudgeon, and I like him for that and his bald (?) faced truths.
@@TroySiahaan Don't know how I missed that. Yeah, I guessed the H2 and then the BMW but Burns picked the Duc for a close second. I've never ridden any of these bikes but I'm guessing that I would go for the SuperDuke since I'm a tall guy who likes torque and never does track days. Great test.
“The MV is too loud” and “That damned supercharger on the H2 was annoying” cracked me up 😂 you boys are getting old
I wish Japan would make a bike that looked as good as the MV Agusta Brutale.
If only we could combine Japanese reliability with European design...
I'll take reliability over looks....
@@MrWolf2212 Same... Just wish we didn't have to choose one over the other!
@@FadilKarim bimota
I think the 2020 R1 in black looks way better
Good to see the Aprilia doing so well, great job guys. You replace the rear trim piece with a pillion seat, comes with the bike. :)
The KTM has adjustable handlebar and rearset positions, you had the former in the back position and the latter in the front, those are the "street" settings ("supermoto" as you called them).
For the track the handlebar should ideally be in the forward position to put more weight over the front and the rearsets in the back position for better cornering clearance and body position for the track. Great video otherwise.
I think for a bit larger rider the front position of the handlebar is great for streetriding, too. Should I say obligatory...
Triumph made great strides getting the Speed Triple to 436 lbs wet weight, it really feels like a Street Triple with more power. I own one and I completely agree that while the suspension may feel stiff on the street, it feels amazing at the track.
Cuban Rider have you been back on track since the issues you were having with your Speed?
As far as the horsepower deficit, I'm pretty sure a 1160cc engine is being held back significantly via emissions and sound regs. 177 hp and 92 ft-lb (crank) isn't coming out on their dyno. I'd expect about 158 hp and 82 ft-lb at the wheel.
@@exothermal.sprocket ive seen one dyno'd bone stock, 164 hp 88 ft lb at the wheel
@@jace2wheel762 Is that USA or overseas? Also dyno correction factors are usually one of two usual systems, either STD or SAE. The STD is an older correction factor which usually reads higher.
@@exothermal.sprocket canada. Traditionally the final drive accounts for a loss of 10hp and 3 to 5 ft lb...
My current speedy 1050(in my pic) i modded to 193 hp and 91ft lb at the crank. Dyno'd at 181hp and 88.7 ft lb at the wheel. A little too much even by my standards and lol the ecu is not exactly factory spec. I had to get a third party warranty lol but she'll do 198mph. Verified by telemetry because the speedo is useless beyond 240 or 250 kph(150 to 155 mph) and being a naked, tuck all you want...you cant maintain higher speeds for too long. The buffeting is amazing
The Kawasaki! The most comfortable and a ton of laughs everytime u twist the throttle
Drop the 30 pound exhaust, swap in some light wheels, update the suspension a bit, and put in a call to Brock's for that cool 227 wheel horsepower. It would be a pretty cool road bike, blistering fast.
@@exothermal.sprocket yes!
@@exothermal.sprocket this guy gets it! That's the thing that makes the H2 great, and is how it should be stock from Kawi...from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 🤠
It's an absolute beast!
Surprised only one of the big (Japanese) four were featured in this shootout! Would've liked to see the MT10-SP, Katana or GSX-S1OOO, and CB1000R included.
I'm glad you realise how fantasticc the Triumph triple engine is ! It's not always about outright horsepower but real world, usable power, whiccch many riders fail to appreciate. I have always loved the Tuona V4 but Triumph must be the new king ! Excellent review !
I’m here to check if the Aprilia is still the one to beat after a decade of dominion.
Wasn’t let down.
Had an 04 ‘ Tuono. God that bike was fun to ride. Would love to rip an new one.
@@bfranco1519 I'm on an '07 Tuono, slowly saving up for a new Tuono V4 which is my dream bike 🤩
Mark is a great addition to the feedback, I can tell he's a very fast rider and engineering minded, very articulate and succinct in his feedback. He provides a nice counterpoint to Evans humbly referring to himself as the "mere mortal" among the group. Would have been interesting to hear from Ken in person, but he might just not like the new whiz-bang electronics.
I have the Speed Triple RS and have had a Tuono Factory; they’re both amazing bikes. Both are incredible bikes especially on track, the Tuono though is the best for both street and track.
I also have the RS and can't imagine a bike can get any better for canyon riding. Definitely gonna have to try out the Tuono apparently!
@@durkester the Tuono factory is a *treat*! We are lucky to live in such a great time for motorcycles!
You have the new one?
Aprillia just has bad customer service IMO. Other than that the bike is king.
For Track one of the best, BUT for Street never ever!
The best thing about the Tuono is that it's existence has really pushed this category into excellence. I own a Tuono Factory and I absolutely love it. The rest are all great with different personalities and with the exception of two bikes in this test, I would consider them as a great add to my garage.
The only thing coming close to it, when it was released, was the 2008 Ducati streetfighter, at 155hp. The Tuono V4 smashed the market with a 170cv naked bike, when the other bikes except for ducati were barely making 130cv, like the triumph, the japanese ect. Before the SuperDuke the only thing that came close, but never on par, was the BMW a couple years later with the s1000r.
for the sound alone Tuono wins
@@fatdoi003 Yes I find the Streetfighter and the Tuono the best sounding bikes here. Something about a V4.
I'm with Troy. I own a SDR 3.0 and absolutely love it. It's everything he stated and will make you giggle like a child on the street and track. So much useable power EVERYWHERE! I added BST carbon wheels and the KTM/Gilles rearsets and it feels "Ready to Race". I've ridden the Tuono Factory and SFV4S, and they're also top notch, with the edge going to the Ducati. It's really user friendly and easy to go fast on, which may be a bit detrimental to your license on the street, but worth the risk. I'd like to try the new Speed Triple. I like the character of that motor and being the lightest bike makes it intriguing. Great comparison, but I think Ken just hates electronics. He's old school!
I see a lot of grumblings in the comments about the MT-10 not being included. The MT-10 SP weighs in at 467lbs and has 131 RWHP, which is far less HP than any in the test, but as much weight as some of the heavier contestants. And let's face it, the only reason the MV and Kawi were included is because one is the most exotic and expensive, and the other has a supercharger
The 2021 MT10 has 160bhp and plenty of dynos showing ~150 to the rear wheel. Idk where you're getting "131rwhp" from, but if you don't like those bikes just say so.
The MT10 SP consistently rank highly and usually finishes 2nd or 3rd in ratings for hyper naked shootouts. THAT is why people are grumbling that it is left out; it's because the MT10 is so good and usually finishes highly ranked among its peers. No, I don't own one so I am not biased but disregarding it so casually is just silly.
@@tylerross3847 I don't know what charts you're citing, but no bike with 160BHP is putting 150HP down at the rear wheel. All the comparison dynos have it at 131RWHP consistently.
I've ridden an MT10, and a SFV4S, a Tuono Factory, and I own a Super Duke. The MT10 is a fun bike, but it's not in the same class as the Ducati, KTM, or Aprilia. I'd argue that it's probably better and more fun than the BMW, and definitely a better all arounder than the Kawi and MV, but it's not top tier without engine, exhaust, ergo, and definitely suspension mods. It's also fugly as hell
Kauf dir noch das Apex Pro Fahrwerk für die Super Duke! Dann ist das Bike erst perfekt! Das ist dann ein komplettes anderes Bike!
great work and insight from the lads. since i’m on the street 99.9% of the time i’ll take the Kawasaki or the KTM.
Tuono's been killing it since it's inception, I love them but hate how they are so good...
Job well done, guys 💖.
As a proud owner of a Tuono Factory 2019, I can absolutely agree with your choice, haha.
I did a 'Rom-Tuning' with my bike. Now it has no revolutions gap at 3000 rpm any more and it is way faster concerning the topspeed.
There's now also a sound evolution! Oh my God, it was excellent before but now....unbelievable (with the original exhaust).
Awesome! I have 2020 tuono factory stock and love it the same as you do
Im on street only and i love my superduke... you just cant go wrong with 1290 end of story :)
What the hell are you on about with the Triumph's 140HPs? It makes 165 wheel horses. At least in Europe it does :-D
They tested all the bikes on a dyno in the previous video.
There is something fishy, because the European Speedy has much more PS at the wheel.
Source: me as an European owner.
The scores are all over the board with no consensus, meaning it’s a free-for-all of personal preference which is the “best”.
I test road that ktm superduke 1290 r last weekend and it was a blast. 2nd gear pulling wheelies. It is a badass motorcycle and will be purchasing one soon
I love the 1290 Super Duke R. Owned one, and while its not a perfect bike, and it will occasionally try to murder you, it will do it while you're smiling... Its a fun bike that will get you smiling on the road, its docile enough around town, and fun on the canyons and on the track days I took it to. I think I had as much fun on the track with this as I did with the ZX-66Rs and R6 I owned and the R1M bike I owned. As for all KTM, recomend the ergo seat upgrade and an Akrapovic exhaust upgrade (may SC Project). BIke did good on few long range trips too. and that took few modifications. Again, Keep it naked for the track, daily use and canyon carving, but you add a windscreen, lugage, and maybe some handle guards, and you got a good tourer.
Aprilia is a track bike stripped naked. The others are ground-up nakeds. Little surprise it wins the track test
The street fighter is a naked panigale....
Greetings from the UK, I have the Kwak ZH2 bought just for road use so high praise it made it to your track review, I agree with all you said about it, very big and comfy and straight line sped immense, ground toes a few times but need low pegs as I am tall so a trade off, the whole package keeps me smiling..
I would love to have the ZH2 in my garage next to my 2019 1290 SDR :D
One of the best videos done by this channel so far I think
Great video - only noticed that it was over an hour long after I watched the whole thing. Too bad Ken wasn't around to speak - I've seen KTM be very polarizing before, but haven't seen the Ducati ranked so low by anyone before, so was curious to hear his thoughts.
I’m not surprised they didn’t get the limited rr super duke but it would’ve definitely been a stronger bike.
Best description of the Aprillia rear seat.
"It doesn't want to be your friend. It just wants to penetrate."
Sorta wish the updated MT-10 joined fray. But alas.
I think one of the greatest unspoken takeaways from these tests has been just how differently the guys scored these machines. A lot of that is the emotional agreement or conflict they produce. I guarantee if this same group of guys got together in 10 years with the same bikes (and a same fresh take), they outcome would change. And that's just how this is, a snapshot in each person's riding career and what appeals to each of us for various reasons. I'm quite glad there's variety. I'm glad there's stuff that is different enough to offer something for everyone. Objectively there's nothing any of these bikes is doing terrible, except the MV price. Hahahaha
Nice analysis.
100% man. A few years ago neevesy with mcn was doing one of these and said "there are ONLY any complaints about any of these because they were ridden back to back. If anyone rides any of these in isolation they would walk away saying it's the greatest bike ever made".
At this level, these are all just staggering achievements in engineering, all hobbled to a degree at least by emissions restrictions. I think they are all so close in performance that it comes down to minor individual preferences.
@@nsparacino Takes a very intuitive experienced journalist to feel what the machine has inside it in terms of capability, whereas emissions and noise restrictions are holding them back. I've felt the contrast myself on a former new FZ1 I had completely tuned out all the restrictions. The difference was quite amazing, in terms of smooth progressive power, drastically reduced overall vibration, precise throttle control, much more safe and predictable behavior especially leaned over in corners. Not to mention the emotional thrill of hearing the engine with a more open exhaust.
KTM is testing a new RC8 somewhere in Europe...🥰🥰🥰😍😍😍😍😍🥰🥰🥰
At first I thought God damn! Hour video?!? But that hour went by fast! Job well done guys! Really enjoyed it but man I wish the new MT10 SP made it to this test but I'm sure Troy will put something together soon.
We wish the SP had been around, too!
A very good test after a long period on youtube! MV Augusta is Italian lazy craftsmanship & IT. Ducati is owned by VW i.e German ingeneers tune the electronics, hence the top notch.
Aprilia just seems to always exceed expectations everytime very top class bike. KTM & Triump amazed honestly great bikes. MV Agusta still expecting something great to come but for now the looks are great
I'm dreaming for the BMW S1000R. In defense of it, it is believed that bmw's point in this bike is to make it the most enjoyable bike in the streets. They didn't focused on the power purposedly. They focused on the handling (which is why they made it very light).
I've pretty much owned all these bikes with the exception of some of the more expensive Italian ones and I just bought a 2022 S1000R, my second single R, it's just so good as a street bike, and absolutely still rips when you need it to. Also has the best warranty.
Michael Neveesy of MCN pretty much said the same thing. It doesn’t have the punch you in the face wow factor or the track poise of some of the others but it is the one you would want to live with and actually spend some time on. Looking at getting one myself.
Indeed, I´ve just bought a 2024 S1000R, after a lot of research and test drives. It is superb, an excellent bike for the streets and twisty roads were I expend most of my driving. It´s so comfortable, excellent alternative settings and very powerful.
I love the torque... the KTM would be my choice. I have an 890R and love it.
How long have you had the 890? Curious if you've had any niggles happen.
@@exothermal.sprocket I have 3000 miles on it. So far its perfect. I highly recommend getting one.
@@RoyClendaniel No electrical issues or oil drips?
No issues, leaks, or electrical problems.
@@RoyClendaniel Great to hear honestly. There's so many Karens crying about KTM all the time.
As a Speed Triple 12 owner I can't imagine a better everyday bike, I am mostly into canyons (I live in the Mtns) and commuter with track days here and there, I am just smitten with it.
I've had 3 Triumphs, Daytona, Street R and Speed RS. Great bike for canyon/hills riding. The little Street R was a blast.
I'm owning a BMW S1000R and I love it
I ride and race also owning a Tuono Factory as one of my bikes. I echo everything you say. They ride better when you push it and are more aggressive
There are so many awesome bikes now it's extremely hard to choose one. 🏍
True, CC, ... The Best Hypernaked -- Superduke R EVO 2022 won't be coming in my country - India, or i would buy it. I am torn between Harley (Fat-Boy 2021 / Lowrider 2020 / Sportster-S 2021) versus Indian Scout. I would love to own R1250R - the naked variant of BMW R1250GS (M1300GS upgrade coming in 2022-23) but doubt if it will sell here. Kawa ZH2 is top heavy and looks out of proportion, bulgy/bulky. Ducati Streetfighter V2 seat height of 845mm is tall for me, & if Supersport 950S had its engine, I would want to buy one. Scrambler-1100 is the most comfy bike for city-commute more than any naked/roadster, it's torquey, but underpowered. I don't fancy the Speed Triple 1200 RS but the new & overpriced 1200 RR Cafe looks stunning.
Cruza, you like wheelies, get the SDR.
Cuz it's all about that torque, 'bout that torque, 'bout that torque.... no trouble...
A very interesting review. The Triumph looks like so much bike for the money.
Great shootout. I would have guessed the Duc as winner.
Excellent photos taken.
Aprilia Tuono 1100 factory for me, but they are all great bikes.
Excellent review format and enjoyed the variety of feedback from the testers - definitely an accomplished and experienced group.
The new Speed RR is going to be a very interesting machine.
I wonder if the Ducati SF V2 would’ve placed higher than the V4 considering why they placed the Triumph in second. Usable power is more enjoyable than unmanageable power.
Thanks for the in-depth review. It would be interesting to see everyones reactions after first service. Breaking in my Panigale V4 on the track was the most fun I've ever had on 2 wheels. Can't wait to see what she does now.
Fo sho!
If i stand around those BEAUTIFUL Naked super bikes...
Than i would literally lost my CONSCIOUSNESS....
😳➡️😲 ➡️😵💫➡️😵
Great test! However def surprised not to see the MT-10 sp or even the GSXS-1000. If the Kawi is there, I feel like they should be as well. I like them all but would like to see ALL the top dawgs". ;)
That Ferrari in the background at the kawaski station 😍
Guys, I ride a Tuono 1100 & they are indeed telling the truth...
The Tuono is the King of the Nakeds for so so many years for valid reasons
Do yourself a favor, and get 1 for yourself. It will be the best decision of your life. And total cost of ownership is cheaper too compared to the red camp
As they saying goes "Belum Cuba Belum Tau, dah Cuba, Hari Hari Mau" 😎
No Suzuki no Yamaha no Honda the only reason they put Kawasaki in the lineup is because it cost $20,000 also not everyone has that kind of money let's do a comparison for people that work for a living
I got my new speed triple for 15 grand otd the deals are out there you just gotta find themselves
I work for a living and bought a zh2se
Mine is derestricted, intercooled and absolutely fantastic!
It's all about choices.
I bet you waste 10 bucks a day at Starbucks...
I don't.
@@californiapoontappa street triple also a great bike
800-950cc class is where your dollars do the most. Above that is hugely diminishing returns. Find me a professional level rider on a set up 890 Duke R, a set up MT-09SP, a set up Z900 SE, a set up Monster and show me how these 20G bikes are just going to wipe the floor with those? Forward thrust is only ONE metric of evaluating all of the various dynamics of a bike. How do double the dollars improve the chassis, the brakes, the suspension, the engine character, the handling neutrality or stability, the way in which a bike talks to your butt/hands/feet around your favorite roads? Can another 10 grand make those other metrics twice as good? Three times as good? Is it worth paying another 10 grand for 30 or 40 more horsepower forward thrust that you'll access about 5% of the time, and the other 95% of the time pay the penalty in fuel consumption, insurance, and theft desirability?
Stuff to consider. How will you feel when a Ninja 400 blows by you on the track while riding your H2R?
@@exothermal.sprocket if you're getting dusted by a ninja 400 while on an h2r, you shouldn't be on a track.
Getting the extra 10% always costs much more than 10%.
It's not a out value, it's about exclusivity. Ask any woman why they value lv purses.
How does Aprillia keep getting included in the "naked bike" shootouts when it has a full fairing?
Duke at no. 1 for me in every aspect of a naked bike
The reason i love my Tuono
💪😎
Regarding the non electronic suspension on the Triumph, everyone says it is too harsh on the road....its adjustable! Slacken it off a bit and its sublime.
Great comparison, I took my sf to the track a few weeks ago and I enjoyed riding it more than my rsv4 1100 factory!
I have not ridden any one of these bikes but it had me thinking how can the MV despite of having all of the best kit possible be such a contrasting package. Just looks good it seems.
I have a Tuono 1100 factory ( 17 ) with 13 kg shaved away ( full Akra evo2, carbon wheels , lithium battery , carbon etc ) and still would like something more responsive and agile especially on the front . But it's a perfect "i can do all " bike for road and trackday use. I'd like to try the new speed triple and the KTM , they look good and so much fun to ride !
Fantastic to hear so many expert opinions on these bikes... maybe Ken would have learned the love the Ducati if he had that extra day 😊
NO WAY?!? You mean to tell me that the Aprilia RSV4 with high handlebars turned out to be the best track bike? Wow, who could have possibly guessed that? LOL. Nice review boys.
We have no aprilio dealerships in Connecticut I have settle for the Triumph street triple 12 rs
Great job guys. Love your hardwork.
Amazing footage and the amount of information given is priceless!! But no Suzuki!!! Also. Loved Marks racing suit! Wondering where he got it from?
Excellent Shootout, well done and the perfect balance of nuanced riders, loved it Thanks.
That Aprilia is beautiful, orange seat and all. Best engine.
Love Shiv's perspective
Really insightful, awesome vid as always 👍👍
MeToo, liked his views, then, Mark's, then Ken's, then Evans' & lastly Troy's
You guys were great on the video, a lot of different views and helpful. Thank you
The Kawasaki for me, as an everyday bike and for someone like me who is not interested in track days. Obviously, these bikes are all exiting except from the MV who has nothing to offer besides of the best looks and an over the top price tag.
The z is pretty heavy compared to a few other naked bikes I’ve tried out that’s the biggest complaint too me.
The BMW nearly belongs in the mid size naked now as the rest (other then MV) are bigger engines or supercharged
Can you do a review on the new Ducati Hypermotard 950sp? These super sport naked bikes are wicked fun and fast. I’m very curious if the hyper feels underpowered.
LOL, one guy rates the Street Fighter a 6 which bumped it from 1 to 3? How can everyone else place it 1 &2 but one person is way off in their opinion?
One reviewer is a racer and the others aren't. Simple as that
Actually, 3 reviewers are racers (Ken, Mark and Troy).
They should take the median score instead :)
He's too old for the tech.
Its not a surprise that the Tuono won 🏆
From an APE lover, have 2... the new rendition has an face only a mother could love.. Btw love the Moto GP bike's looks! Aprilia please read this! Go Aleix!!
Great to have Mark Miller as a part of this
What it come to my view... is the 2 fisrt place ranking of the Speed... that no other bike made. If Troy would have rank it 3rd..
It would be the 1st... overall. An had receive the most compliments ofvthe testers. Good job Triumph !!
Holy crap is that Shiv from Open Flash? Had no idea he was into motorcycles this much. Huge in the brz/86 community and miata too I believe
yeah i got one thing to say, uhmm
WTF KEN!?
What was the best lap time with each bike?
The new speed triple 1200RR is 178bhp. It looks brilliant and hopefully it doesn't been overdone with intrusive electronics. I'm biassed since my 900 Daytona but it's a antique compared to nowadays but was top heavy.
BMW do a whole bunch of the small stuff that makes their bikes so easy to live with.
I'm sure if you complained in person as to why the S1000 wasn't up to scratch on the track, the engineers would look confused and ask why you don't just buy the S1000rr
I've seen all 6 of the top bikes here at track days, so clearly people who buy them use them on track and would want to know how they would do, even though they could have gotten a S1000rr, RSV4, zx10 or panigale.
I would't own any of these bikes (being an adventure type) but if I were to choose here I would to for the Triumph.
How about just talking bikes? Good review. So the duc won and the prilia and triumph are the best bang.
KTM super Duke 🔥😍😍
Nice camerawork! Finely some effort into the production. Enjoyed the content a lot !
September’s review and this one, no MT10? Why not round up to 8 and include the MT10 SP on the next review.
You guys are awesome. Thanks for the great video
1. Aprilia Tuono V4 Factory : 3+2+3+1+2=11
2. Triumph Speed Triple 1200 RS : 4+3+1+3+1=12
3. Ducati Streetfighter V4 S : 2+1+2+2+6=13
4. KTM 1290 Super Duke R : 1+4+4+5+6=20
5. BMW S1000R M package : 5+5+6+4+5=25
6. Kawasaki Z H2 SE : 6+6+4+6+3=25
7.MV Agusta Brutale 1000RR : 7+7+7+7+4=32
enjoyed both these videos from ireland - nice work guys. Sadly I can't really ride my super duke right now due to the freezing, wet weather, but nice to see you guys enjoying all these kick ass bikes. great channel !👌 Ken really messed your scores up 😂
Years go by but the Tuono it's still the best. 🍺
Not sure what tune you get but the Speed Triple has 178hp in Australia, they dyno 156-159 @ the wheel. Maybe its detuned for Californian emissions.
Fantastic video! Great insights on all of these bikes!
Great video and review. Thank you!!
I’m a little sad there is no MT-10. I’m not expecting it to win but a comparison would be nice
To old and dated to be relevant to any off these bikes. Next year they will have the new MT10SP.
@@srtspeedy4983 fair. Though the updates outside of aesthetics, and electronics are minor. The track performance won’t be that different
@@toofastnobrakes Not hughly different but it will be intresting what the best öhlins suspension money can buy can do to the bike. It will lack a bit power though comp to the top. But the tuono was 32 hp less than the Ducati..
If the just-announced MT-10 SP had been available, it would have been included.
@@srtspeedy4983 its where the Mt-10 makes the power. Peak figures, well.....who cares
Not surprised one bit to see the triumph placed where it was for track.
I know the Yamaha and Honda aren't up to 11 like many on this group but I would have liked to see them in there too, just for shits and giggles.
Maybe next year ? The MT-10 got a small revamp for 2022, so . . . 😏
Anyway, great work, Crew ! Looking forward to next year. 👌🙂👍
Honestly guys, I was expecting to hear more good stuff about the winner Aprilia 😁,but very nice and fun video!
shame you didnt do a bit of a wet test it would have been interesting to get an idea of how all the aids work on wet roads
Great review lads!!!👍👊
Good job, guys. Dropping it just in time for Thanksgiving.
You've put power stats up for the Triumph that are totally incorrect.
177hp it has....177.5 I believe.
I think you've put 140 something.
Torque too....Way down on whst it has. I think you might of quoted the 1050cc model.
Hope this helps.
Good to see that Neevesy isn't the only Aprilia fanboy. That backs up my feeling that he is a straight shooter. You guys ain't half bad either. I wonder how Burns would have rated them on the road but he's a short little curmudgeon, and I like him for that and his bald (?) faced truths.
We did a road test of these bikes, too, and Burns was a part of that. You can find it on our channel as well. One guess as to which one he picked.
@@TroySiahaan Don't know how I missed that. Yeah, I guessed the H2 and then the BMW but Burns picked the Duc for a close second. I've never ridden any of these bikes but I'm guessing that I would go for the SuperDuke since I'm a tall guy who likes torque and never does track days. Great test.
Great reviews, would of been good if you can put up the lap times for comparison
This shootout has to be redone but with the bikes ecu flashed.