Is The New Triumph Speed Triple Still A Good Road Bike? 2021 Triumph Speed Triple 1200 RS Review

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  • @dmandhelen
    @dmandhelen 3 роки тому +11

    Best bike reviewer on UA-cam in my opinion ...straight forward, down to earth , honest ..no gimmicks.. please don't let your growing popularity spoil your approach ..!! !and keep them coming please ...!!!👌👌😄😁

  • @banestock
    @banestock 3 роки тому +43

    We need a comparison video between all the new super nakeds that have come out... This segment is probably the most competitive!

  • @pclark6068
    @pclark6068 3 роки тому +15

    Love this channel for its honest review that’s not obsessed with just the speed of the bike… think I will stick with my current RS for mainly a commute with the odd weekend fun thrown in 😬

  • @aimenalwan
    @aimenalwan 3 роки тому +2

    One of the cleanest YT brands and love your selection of music 👌Thanks MB

  • @yashamin5848
    @yashamin5848 3 роки тому +2

    Just the premium quality that this Speed triple exudes is just exemplary

  • @crownmoto
    @crownmoto 3 роки тому +4

    Excellent review. If I didn't already have the SDR, this would make my buying decision more difficult as I do love the rev/torque balance and smoothness of a triple. Nice to see Triumph back in the running

  • @TzeiEm
    @TzeiEm 3 роки тому +4

    I've got around 1600km on my Speed 1200 and the gearbox and shifter seem to have gotten smoother the more I ride it. When brand new it indeed was sometimes a bit clunky quickshifting in city speeds but now it's super soft and smooth, the best shifter I've ever tried.

  • @samjanko8946
    @samjanko8946 3 роки тому +2

    One of the best reviews on the entire web as far as positives and a few negatives about the bike. Completely new dashboard is definitely needed ala multistrada, optional active suspension should be offered as a expensive option, no matter what market research said and opportunity is sadly missed for a front double\ single lights reimagining

  • @Firestorm637
    @Firestorm637 3 роки тому +5

    Triples are that sweet spot between V2’s and i4’s. Like a V4 but a little more character. Plus triples easier to work on vs v4. Great video

    • @helgejohan3604
      @helgejohan3604 Рік тому

      Tuono v4 has a lot more character🔥🔥✊

    • @dddon513
      @dddon513 4 місяці тому

      And a lot more crying when it needs work, which could be often *cough* valve adjustments *cough*

  • @armadnt
    @armadnt 3 роки тому +2

    I'm still riding the 2013 Speed Triple and it's still my favourite bike I've ever owned. The only thing that I don't like about this one is that it is extremely limited in its colour options. I don't want anything flashy though, I just have a thing for white motorcycles. That being said, it won't stop me from upgrading to the new 1200.

    • @sacredgeometry
      @sacredgeometry Рік тому

      I imagine white will come out soon. Maybe next year or the year after. Its normally one of the colours they end up making. Luckily the matte grey is always my favourite colour from them so I have already grabbed mine before they get rid of it.

  • @xorbe2
    @xorbe2 3 роки тому +2

    Tuono Factory has semi-active electronic suspension without costing Streetfighter money. SF has an additional 30hp plus it's Ducati.

  • @TheGreatestBeyonder
    @TheGreatestBeyonder 3 роки тому +6

    Excellent review Bob 👍🏻 You’re getting pretty good at this! 😁 You cover everything cleanly and precisely, without waffle! Having a track focused bike for sh1tty British roads does seem a terrible waste (unless you’re a masochist) but if it can be dialled down for a little comfort without sacrificing power it looks to be a winner! Thanks 👍🏻

  • @roberthall1437
    @roberthall1437 3 роки тому +2

    Good one BOB. What a great machine. It really is a Super Naked now.

  • @husseinshafie
    @husseinshafie 3 роки тому +2

    I agree with everything said in the video (I have test ridden both the Speed Triple 1200 RS and the KTM) except the comments about the gear box “being pretty darn good”. The gearbox is really harsh to use on this new Speed and this, with or without the clutch. To the point of being a show stopper for me.

  • @Wales256
    @Wales256 Рік тому +1

    Yess riding around my beautiful country Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 south especially has awesome biking roads 👌
    Cymru am Byth (Wales for ever)🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

  • @zakshow4665
    @zakshow4665 3 роки тому

    Best bike reviews on UA-cam.

  • @mauriziolagaxio4954
    @mauriziolagaxio4954 Рік тому +1

    The best silencer for the Speed Triple is the SCProject

  • @josephreisinger33
    @josephreisinger33 3 роки тому +2

    Back when i was working at a Trumpet shop, I got the chance to ride the first speed triple and that was a hoot. Trumpets , like most new bikes R just toooooooo much 4 me now at 60+. I would hurt myself.

  • @robertosmith1
    @robertosmith1 3 роки тому +1

    Don’t like the skimpy lower triple clamp compared to the beefier one on the previous version. Time will tell if the weight saving program compromised durability.
    For me my 2020 Speed Triple RS is the perfect bike.

  • @zhiyuanneo4022
    @zhiyuanneo4022 3 роки тому +2

    I like tis Speed Triple RS alot. Would it be too much for a beginer bike? N wats tat circular thing on the left side handlebar? Nav system?

  • @hisaanhaq4116
    @hisaanhaq4116 3 роки тому +1

    Great style of review buddy, subscribed

  • @utkarshkaushik617
    @utkarshkaushik617 3 роки тому +5

    Damn that bike looks soo menacing from front those lights are best this and the Duke 1290 r are the best looking but on this I miss those underseat exhaust those were the special thing about the speed triple but yaa it's still a beast of a bike

    • @LEEGOOVER9901
      @LEEGOOVER9901 3 роки тому +2

      sexy as heck when you put dual muffler underseat exhaust on those old triples

    • @utkarshkaushik617
      @utkarshkaushik617 3 роки тому +1

      @@ryanfitzgerald9995 yaa but i still think the underseat exhaust was also a major part for the speed triple

  • @a.s.5280
    @a.s.5280 3 роки тому +3

    and now it`s time for you to test the new Tunono Factory ;=)

  • @squidlips5368
    @squidlips5368 3 роки тому +1

    I think the 2018 speed looks better with a more practical powerband for the streets.

  • @karlosh9286
    @karlosh9286 3 роки тому +4

    @motobob , maybe you should train up MCN's Neevsey on how to soften the suspension down a bit. Doesn't sound like he managed to work that one out from his review !

    • @parko1965
      @parko1965 3 роки тому

      Smile and wave boys, smile and wave.

    • @xorbe2
      @xorbe2 3 роки тому

      Also, the oem tires are likely race track stiff. Some people took them straight off.

  • @downtherange
    @downtherange 3 роки тому +1

    Too be fair 🇬🇧Triumph done an amazing job on a complete new design 1st time out don’t forget 🇦🇹KTM Super Duke 1290 R is on its 3rd Evolution + now a real Evo & the RR versions available, so for the 🇬🇧Triumph Speed Triple 1200 RS (1st edition) not bad at all only wish you could manually tern off anti wheelie & traction control completely basically a massive update is needed electronically to the 🇬🇧Triumph Speed Triple 1200 RS (2nd edition). Like now the 🇬🇧Triumph Speed Triple 1200 RR new model has electronic suspension red paint is extra… 👍🏻

  • @K-Mac_Racing_55
    @K-Mac_Racing_55 3 роки тому

    There is one essential thing that any new bike has to do, "FOR ME," and that is being able to switch to GP Shifting (one up, five down) mode. It cannot be done on this bike, as far as I know. Maybe an aftermarket solution will come out soon. For me, it's a deal-killer; all my motorcycles use GP Shifting. If anyone knows of a solution now, please let us know. I'm ready to buy a bike now! If it cannot be done, I'm getting the KTM SDR.

  • @Desmo904
    @Desmo904 3 роки тому

    I agree with the display options for the readout. It seems like something Triumph could easily implement via a software update to at least give the addition of a different style of display. I'm thinking of the Tiger 900 on this one with its dual 90's 'Kenwood Stereo' Rev counter display which takes up so much real estate on the screen for very little benefit. Just a simple alteration to the display could mean a lot of people were far more likely to buy one. The rest of the bike looks _very_ nice indeed! Colourscheme doesn't bother me too much at all.

  • @1MrBryn
    @1MrBryn 3 роки тому +1

    I know it is a fantastic bike, but having only grey and black to choose from is pretty weak.
    Speed Triples used to have some amazing bright colours available.

    • @everythinggaming7938
      @everythinggaming7938 2 роки тому

      Its changed now but the funny thing is the new available colours don't sell the most sold are black and grey

  • @craigmason6656
    @craigmason6656 3 роки тому +2

    It's nice but it still doesn't make me want to part with my 18 RS. Cheers from Melbourne.

  • @richardcerritelli9657
    @richardcerritelli9657 Рік тому

    How does this compare to the mt-10 as far as low end torque mid-range and high-end and overall feel is it $3,000 more quality.

  • @simon8723
    @simon8723 3 роки тому +2

    We need other options for front headlights. Praying Mantis and alien headlights just look weird on a bike. By the way, is this the same motor they intend to use for the big Tiger Adventure? When’s that coming out?

    • @lordgibbness
      @lordgibbness 3 роки тому

      The new s1000r headlight has grown on me now...

  • @mattyyoho30
    @mattyyoho30 3 роки тому

    Its the electronics that deter me man. I just HATE the complete take over of electronic connectivity. The rest of the bike seems amazing in every way.

  • @ericlismumze9932
    @ericlismumze9932 Рік тому +1

    am i the only one that really dislikes the fugly bugeye headlights on the triumphs? like the whole bike is sexy, especially in the red...but then those headlights hang 2 feet off the front of the fork looking like a stoned housefly....its just not appealing. and i cannot recall any bike Triumph has made where they successfully pulled this off. The RR looks SOOO much better with that sexy cafe fairing, but i want the more relaxed riding position of the RS...wish there was a way to have my cake and eat it too... also Triumph needs to put that fairing on a street triple model as well...that would be a great looking bike.

    • @gryphongryph
      @gryphongryph Рік тому

      I strongly hate the bug eyed front on this bike and all the bug eyed fronts on every bike really, are the designers kids!!!! When will this design grow old for them?
      Most people that can afford buying these bikes are in their thirties or forties, please give us some grown up designs…. Please.

  • @Kingpin665
    @Kingpin665 Рік тому

    What is that "A" looking gage on the left handle bar?

  • @vladsta3833
    @vladsta3833 3 роки тому

    only a mother can love that bug face

  • @jonkelly1920
    @jonkelly1920 3 роки тому +1

    Looking forward to your review of the 21 s1000r!! :)

  • @mickleblade
    @mickleblade 3 роки тому +1

    Admit it Bob, it scared the knickers off you a few times!

  • @Ferbeldeyberb
    @Ferbeldeyberb 3 роки тому +1

    Good review, I love the shape, I do think it looks like far too many different colours of metal, though.

  • @victorgonza4528
    @victorgonza4528 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent Bike black on black would be ideal

  • @robinsong1973
    @robinsong1973 3 роки тому +1

    I have the 1200 rs. I think the one thing that was missing is an ohlins steering stabilizer. What are your thoughts?

    • @motobob
      @motobob  3 роки тому

      I thought it felt really stable! I have a really bad ride in the wet on the motorway and it was surprisingly planted. Too twitchy you think?

    • @TheLiddleBigChannel
      @TheLiddleBigChannel 3 роки тому

      Often a shaking front end can be sorted with suspesion setup. If it shakes it's head when being hard on the gas off a corner, check the suspension setup in terms of sag as it could be that the rear shock colapses under power which will make the front light and shake it's head.

  • @Jeez726
    @Jeez726 3 роки тому

    Any idea when there will be a new SDR GT? Would love to see that tested with the BMW XR and Standard touring Tuono version.
    Good vid, thank you!

  • @Alaskanxeotheze
    @Alaskanxeotheze 2 роки тому

    Internal gear hub?

  • @Greed_The_Avaricious
    @Greed_The_Avaricious 3 роки тому

    What's the pointing thing on the left?

  • @bestofme7169
    @bestofme7169 3 роки тому

    Positive side of this bike is good looking stylist and morden design but the negative side is it's front looks like a kid toys compare to body.

  • @brianglendenning1632
    @brianglendenning1632 3 роки тому

    Nice vid. Do not notice the linked brakes on the s1000r either - seems to be a good use of tech

  • @DCGULL01
    @DCGULL01 11 місяців тому

    So, why is Triumph's Speed Triple 1200 RS NOT spoken of in hushed tones, quiet in an effort to keep it from getting aggressive, w/ highly considered superlatives. It's treated like a full sized commuter, rather than a super naked full sized monster. KTM Super Duke 1290 R, BMW 1300 GS, Aprilia RSV4, 1100 Factory...
    It's weird. It's capable, or paper it's a match, but at $15,000.00, it's too cheap for a super naked? I just don't get it.

  • @ShaftDrive
    @ShaftDrive 3 роки тому

    What is the round display on the left bar?

  • @MotoVikz
    @MotoVikz 2 роки тому +1

    Does it have cruise control?

  • @bibhabbag1
    @bibhabbag1 3 роки тому +1

    Have u ridden the new mt 09 sp? I think like the mt 09 might feel torqueier than this. Even if this has more power. The mt might feel more shovier. Would like to see what u think after riding that.

    • @motobob
      @motobob  3 роки тому

      Yes indeed - the non-SP version anyway but same engine. Amazing bike! Video will be up next week

    • @jockojockoson9995
      @jockojockoson9995 3 роки тому +1

      You Kant be serious

    • @raghubirsingh155
      @raghubirsingh155 3 роки тому +1

      @@jockojockoson9995 I see what u did there 😂😂

    • @bibhabbag1
      @bibhabbag1 3 роки тому

      @@raghubirsingh155 it is the case. Lamb chop says the speed triple isnt as torquey in the mid range as the tuono. What i felt even seeing the videos. Its fast but despite being a big triple it isnt as torquey as a 4 xylinder tuono. The mt 09 on the other hand feels shovey in the mid range.

    • @raghubirsingh155
      @raghubirsingh155 3 роки тому

      @@bibhabbag1 what u r saying might be true bro no doubt just found jockos comment funny that's all

  • @mauriziolagaxio4954
    @mauriziolagaxio4954 Рік тому

    This bike is almost perfect they just need to shave more weight and reach the perfect ratio 180 kg / 180 BHP this is the perfect combination

  • @stevereilly
    @stevereilly 3 роки тому

    Brill review, very honest.

  • @aria0135
    @aria0135 3 роки тому +1

    I know it's probably an amazing bike but man... those alien bug-eyes are ugly AF.
    It's not like KTMs where they can be ugly but somehow... _deserved_? Somehow they earned that alien look.
    What's wrong with two round lights? It'll look great now and, if you plan on keeping it till it dies, it will age better as well. I swear that front end will age badly (like the late-2000s early-2010s headlights; see CB650F).

  • @AridersLifeYT
    @AridersLifeYT 2 роки тому

    nice camera work, looks like a DSLR with a F2.0 or something

  • @animal100000
    @animal100000 Рік тому

    In the market for a new super knacked but if there's no after market can then its a no from me ☹️

  • @tyrontyron
    @tyrontyron 3 роки тому

    what do you think if compare to KTM1290? which one can give you more fun???

    • @xorbe2
      @xorbe2 3 роки тому +1

      Depends on what you consider fun.

  • @garyuk761
    @garyuk761 2 роки тому

    How tall are you?

  • @GoSolarPlz
    @GoSolarPlz 3 роки тому

    Triumph please bring back Roulette green!

  • @johnsmith-hi4kk
    @johnsmith-hi4kk 3 роки тому

    Truimph please build this ala BMW S1000XR but with the electronic suspension

  • @threethrushes
    @threethrushes 3 роки тому +1

    Those bug eyes remind me of someone who I'd rather not be reminded of.

  • @karlosh9286
    @karlosh9286 3 роки тому

    I don't want to like this bike, but I probably will . I want to remain happy with my "slow" 2020 Speedy Trip 1050 RS (which is still way better than my riding ability).
    My bank balance , or rather debt level can't take anymore abuse.
    I might have to avoid test riding this for as long as possible, to avoid more financial silliness.
    As for me, I'd have it in a dark metallic red like on my 2019 Speed Twin. Camouflaged greys and blacks really don't do it for me.

    • @pepedeespana3399
      @pepedeespana3399 3 роки тому +1

      I loved my old speedy 1050 rs but I tried the speed 1200 RS. If you try it, you are Lost. The new speedy is like a street triple with a Big Big, spicy and lovely engine. You only find your favorite road and enjoy

    • @karlosh9286
      @karlosh9286 3 роки тому +1

      @@pepedeespana3399 So if I try it, I'm likely to want one ? That sounds financially very dangerous !

    • @karlosh9286
      @karlosh9286 3 роки тому

      @Casey R. It's the money I'm worried about ! As George Orwell wrote in the book 1984 , "ingnorance is bliss" . If I'm blissfully ignorant of how good the new Trip 1200 RS, my wallet might survive!

  • @TheProperMinimalist
    @TheProperMinimalist 3 роки тому +1

    Great review as always 👏🏻
    Just came from Americade in the US where I was able to demo this bike back to back with a KTM 1290 SuperDuke R and I have to say the Triumph crushed it🤘🏻. It sounds better, handles better, and has better fit and finish than the KTM. IMO: Triumph spanks the KTM hands down.
    Only bike left to test ride is the Triumph Speed Triple 1200 RR! 😎😁

  • @jase8943
    @jase8943 3 роки тому

    Whats the little dongle on the left of the bars?

    • @xorbe2
      @xorbe2 3 роки тому

      some GPS add-on, maybe "Beeline"

  • @66maelstrom
    @66maelstrom 3 роки тому

    So the question is... Speed Triple, Ducati Streetfighter or something else? If you are going to lay down some serious $$ what is the best in people's opinions?

    • @66maelstrom
      @66maelstrom 3 роки тому

      @Andy Freeman Great call and thanks for the reply. The Super Naked market is definitely heating up and there are more and more options available. Perhaps the Triumph is the neat fit to balance all of the requirements, including price!

  • @moontrekerben7801
    @moontrekerben7801 Рік тому

    As a Triumph fan an owner... the only down side of this bike is the tail. Too low, too short. They have to redesign this... take the StreetFighter v4 as an example. It is sexy an give him a Super sport look. The tail is too low, short, an ugly... I hate to say this... lol

  • @peteralexander1155
    @peteralexander1155 3 роки тому

    So many new videos on the 1200RS BUT I am waiting on a 0-200 100-200 km video

  • @damionharris8776
    @damionharris8776 2 роки тому

    I love mine!

  • @narzaust
    @narzaust 2 роки тому

    TRIUMP TRIUMP TRIUMP WHY IS YOUR AMAZING BIKE NOT 200 BHP OR AT LEAST IN 190 BHP. PLEASE PLEASE INCREASE THE HORSE POWER TO AT LEAST 190 BHP IF NOT 200 BHP LIKE ZH2 OR THE EXPANSIVE MV AUGUSTA NAKED BIKE. BECAUSE OF THIS I APPRECIATED KAWASAKI ZH2. OTHERWISE I LIKED THE DESIGN OF TRIUMPH 1200 MORE THAN ZH2 OR STREETFIGHTER V4S

  • @noelsheedy
    @noelsheedy 3 роки тому +2

    the pale grey and stick on yellow sticker is the cheapest colour scheme of al time. If I purchase, which I am considering, I am factoring in a professional paint job cost.

  • @k31chris
    @k31chris 3 роки тому

    Pretty sure daytonas had an exhaust valve like that

    • @mikesterloc
      @mikesterloc 3 роки тому

      They did, just hidden away and not so easily accessible.

  • @MPjustaman
    @MPjustaman 3 роки тому

    " again Mr Hinckley we're sorry but we're gonna have to let you go, you had one job, to hide the clutch cable and you failed. We sorry but its just unacceptable ".

  • @joshlewis5065
    @joshlewis5065 3 роки тому +2

    I speak for everyone when I say
    IT NEEDS A FULL AERODYNAMIC RACE VERSION!!!

  • @narzaust
    @narzaust 2 роки тому

    I HOPE TRIUMP INCREASES THE BHP OF TRIUMPH 1200 UPTO 200 BHP OR AT LEAST 10 BHP MORE TO 190. PLEASE DO. I WANT TO BUY IT...................IT IS AVAILABLE IN MY COUNTRY INDIA.

  • @BarnettSpeedSuzukiThou
    @BarnettSpeedSuzukiThou 3 роки тому

    Boring colours, don’t like lights or bar end and fully welded Euro 5 exhaust. Otherwise great.

  • @rohitcharles007
    @rohitcharles007 3 роки тому

    How much mileage and gas consumption does it has got?

    • @xorbe2
      @xorbe2 3 роки тому

      All of these liter nakeds get 30-40 mpg (US) depending on how ridden. Expect 120 miles before you are searching for a gas station.

  • @pelegrinsamblas
    @pelegrinsamblas 3 роки тому +1

    And that front brake fluid reservoir,,, it looks like an urine analysis bottle.

  • @c.g.c2067
    @c.g.c2067 3 роки тому

    Motobob is basically a Triumph salesman

    • @lordgibbness
      @lordgibbness 3 роки тому

      No he just has good access to them, and likes some of their bikes. He also likes other brands...

  • @morvegil
    @morvegil 3 роки тому

    Great bike

  • @son.michaelt
    @son.michaelt 3 роки тому

    Waiting for a Daytona 1200RS 🤣

  • @rideoutlondon
    @rideoutlondon 3 роки тому

    Shame about the yellow accents on this colour

  • @topperharlee718
    @topperharlee718 3 роки тому

    Call me shallow, but I just CAN'T get over its look. To me, it's just FUGLY.

  • @downhillupside
    @downhillupside 3 роки тому +1

    Triumph, please change the 'angry Johnny Five eyes' front end. Ugh

  • @glitchfyre5188
    @glitchfyre5188 3 роки тому

    Planning speed triple as my second bike after i rode 300cc for a year.

    • @karlosh9286
      @karlosh9286 3 роки тому +3

      you're in for a shock . Make sure you wear some adult incontinence pants. I've only ridden last years 1050cc Speed Triple. I still sometimes need incontinence pants.

    • @frankmalone8389
      @frankmalone8389 3 роки тому +2

      R u nuts!

    • @glitchfyre5188
      @glitchfyre5188 3 роки тому

      That what bike should i go for? Yamaha R7? Or Ducati SuperSport? Or a Thruxton r?

    • @karlosh9286
      @karlosh9286 3 роки тому

      @@glitchfyre5188 best to get test rides and choose for yourself. Nothing quite like a test ride !

    • @glitchfyre5188
      @glitchfyre5188 3 роки тому

      @@karlosh9286 I tried the Yamaha R1 & Mv Augusta Brutale 1000. I found both good and comfortable. I am considering Hayabusa as well for touring. Let's see. Or else i am gonna settle with either BMW 1250GSA or Multistrada Enduro or Speed triple.

  • @soupdragon1
    @soupdragon1 3 роки тому +3

    Brilliant bike boring dull bland colour scheme as with all Triumph bikes.

  • @p.chakraborty4453
    @p.chakraborty4453 3 роки тому +1

    I'm just 21 (yes i think that's young), and I've ridden R1,CBR1000RRR-SP, ZH2, Ducati Panigale V4, Daytona 675r, R6, Ninja ZX 10, ninja Zx6, Ninja 300, RE 350,Himalayan,650s, t100, and speed triple, i had owned a R1, but sold it for other reasons and investments, and got a cycle instead of the bike, and now i am looking forward to getting a Trident 660 , or the Triumph Speed triple, cuz even after riding all i have ridden, ( even been to track a few times) is that no matter what, 200hp is not needed , and all these bikes are great, these 200hp r1s , Panigales, e.t.c, are pretty useless from ergonomics, useless low end, in the street what i suggest is the street triple, or the speed triple .
    Cuz :
    Such a beautiful sound , the exhaust sound changes as the rev increases , from sophisticated in the low to the roaring in the high ,
    Mechanically (a mechanical engineer here) , and as a bike enthusiast, 3 Cyls are the best when it comes to power delivery, low end torque + top end rush , and due to triumphs T-plane crankshaft (perfect secondary balance) this thing revs very high for a engine that size , and reaches redline quicker than any I4...
    I've plenty experience, owned an R1 (sold last year and got a cycle), r6, zx 10r, the busa, Zh2, RSV4, panigale, cbr 1000, and z900 , daytona 675, street triple 675RS, RE bikes,and what not , but i find three cyls the best among inline 4s and 2s (Vs are better ). (Except some radicals i4s ).