When I bought M3 MY didn’t exist I still think MY is ugly looking just a beefed up version of M3 which is fine I’ll get Rivian R2 which is boxy and way better than MY
I have both as well. Strongly prefer to drive the Model 3, dont really like driving the Model Y tbh. Model 3 is sooo much fun to drive and the Model Y is just so-so. BUT for family/practical stuff the Model Y is much much better.
The Camry/Accord comparison is interesting given that the cabin dimensions (& exterior dimensions) of the Model 3 are almost identical to compacts like the Civic, Elantra, and Jetta.
Big point the biodefence filter is what nailed my purchase of the model Y, especially here in BC with all that forest fire smoke during the warmer months! Everyone was hoping the refreshed model 3 would have it but such is not the case!
At the current pricing, a Model Y dual motor is cheaper than a Model 3 dual motor. Plus, I wanted steering wheel stalks with easier entry/exit. Picked up my '24 Model Y dual motor a few weeks ago. Love it!
You men both make a great team to comment on all phases of the Model 3 and Y. Really excellent review. Thank you as your comments are of value for a decision to purchase.
My 2023 rwd m3 is way softer than the original model 3. I don't have any regrets of going with a sedan. Point A - B car and a great charging network and second car for the family. Compliments our van perfectly for everyday use. Bye-bye gas station!
If you're a soccer mom, get the Y. If you're a rich soccer mom, get the X. If you want a sexy car, get the 3. If you're rich and want an even sexier car, get the S!
I’m a avid AOA watcher and I see all the EV options. At the end I chose the model 3 rwd because I narrowed my needs down to small battery efficient cars. Unfortunately, I think the EV shopper’s obsession with range is detrimental to the environment and puts less cars on the road for the same resource. Public charging is the better solution rather than having big heavy batteries. I’ve driven 18k mi around the US this year since March when I bought my model 3. Honestly with how reliable the superchargers are, I never really wished for the extra range of the LR.
Another difference between the Y and the 3 is the Y has a 40/20/40 split rear seat, the 3 has 60/40. That is the main reason I have a Y not a 3, although I do like the 3 more in some ways.
So far, I’m really enjoying my 2023 model 3 RWD! I definitely like that i can charge to 100% with the LFP battery. Maybe if I have a family in the future I’d consider the Y but I’m not the biggest fan of how it looks lol. Can’t really go wrong with either one!
I bought my Tesla 3 2 months ago. Its my first car and I love it. Its the perfect size for me. While there are a few features I would like in the Y it wasnt worth the price difference for me of 7,500 at the time. Its super easy to charge and I dont even charge at home so it will only get easier once I get a house.
I have both the 3 and Y in the performance versions. My 3 Performance is lowered on Mountain Pass Performance coil overs with Zero G wheels. The handling on the 3 is much better. The storage on the Y is key to taking the vehicle on a long trip.
Being able to rent an electric vehicle is great for folks who have never driven one before. Dipping your toes in the water is a much smaller step than diving in. -Travis
Curb rash on Tesla's is something that is a bit hard to avoid, unless you are completely aware that the wheel covers don't fully cover the rim edges, AND Tesla's have "hips" (they are a little wider in the rear) along with slightly longer wheelbases. Combine those, and you've got to make sure not to park too close to curbs, and carefully take right turns slightly wider to avoid scraping right rear wheels. I've done both.
Wow, what a useful video! Thank you! A comfort suspension option is something I'd want. One other thing that would be good to know is just how loud is it going 60 mph on the freeway with that big glass roof? I wish there was an option for a smaller "moon roof" to quiet things down (and in a place like FL, to moderate the heat!)
Since there's no solid roof option it's not possible to say how much more noise comes in through the glass. That said, this is a quiet (not silent) ride and one of the biggest things first time EV drivers will experience is the fact that the noise you're hearing is going to be different. You'll hear more road and wind noise but that's because the engine isn't covering that up by being louder. -Travis
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Thanks Travis. I'd be interested to know what dB levels Alex measured when testing whichever Tesla models that were available to him. From what you're saying, it is likely quieter in the Tesla than an ICE counterpart. And I guess tires and road surface will play a significant role in noise levels (since there is no ICE to, at least partially, mask those sounds.)
Thanks for the video; very insightful. We just bought a Model Y Long Range AWD with tow hitch. As a first-time Tesla owner (coming from the Toyota/Prius world) we found the buying experience awful (I'd grade it as a "D-"). There was zero effort to cater to a first time buyer with the poisonous "Teslas Sell Themselves" attitude clearly underlying the piss poor service. I would never recommend someone consider a Tesla purchase unless you are prepared for a cold, impersonal, buying experience (or bring a friend who has been through the Tesla process to fill the void in the Tesla customer service). The two service centers we visited (mid-week) appeared woefully understaffed, which makes it nearly impossible to ask questions, little less get proactive buying/sales process advice.
That's where videos like this one fill the gap. There are literally hundreds from real owners and skilled reviewers that will provide more info and from different angles compared to the Tesla staff. Also FaceBook has user groups for many US States that are very helpful to answer questions you may have.
Great video! I really liked the follow cam showing at the same time as the cabin discussion cam. What would be incredible is if you had a backseat passenger cam in the upper left. All angles covered. Keep it up!
Yep, I have a GC Overland (got a Good deal on it) but I also own a Midsize car for driving around. I Like what Travis said at the end as to why he choose his. I would get a similar model to his when i get an EV. I am Single. No animals and dont drive far, But rarely. I dont need all the extra room.
I feel like if they made the model 3 with a lift-back one could get the best of both worlds given that I like cargo practicality, but don’t need the extra height of a crossover. It really surprises me that more vehicles don’t provide lift back options for sedans rather than forcing someone to buy a crossovers or SUVs for the more practical rear space.
Depends on what you need it for. There is no worse or better. I like my Model Y I recently reviewed. For our family the Model 3 would not work as well.
Great vid! Thank you! I am on cross road between two and your comparison is one of the few not biased towards one or the other but real things in each of the two.
Model Y is hands down pick for me. I wanted more storage space and the Hatchback style gives that to me. I also wanted the LR dual motor capability. Take care.
My family just bought a Model Y yesterday. We looked at Lexus and Jeep options for more size and clearance, but the dealer experience is just so bad. It brought back PTSD, lol, from our last dealership experiences. I will never buy from an automaker that doesn't allow online-only purchase. Tesla has the best purchase experience. Financing through Tesla at 6% for 72 was also the best offer with the fed's current anti worker stance. So with the tax credit, the Y was just too good of price to pass up, not to mention fuel saving and higher safety rating. We even both liked other vehicles more. In the end, the dealership model lost Lexus and Jeep customers.
I hope you enjoy your Model Y but it's also a shame that dealers can have such a negative impact on the shopping experience. With sales models like Tesla, Rivian, and Polestar becoming more visible to consumers it's only a matter of time before the dealers have to do better.....I hope. -Travis
There’s a lot of things you mention that I think the average consumer really doesn’t care about, but nonetheless I appreciate the informative video! For me I picked the Y because I’m too poor to afford the X but I wanted a Tesla and space. The Y may not be as fast as any of the others in terms of 0-60 but coming from a base model Hyundai from 2014, it feels incredibly fast to me, I wouldn’t want an even faster one 😂 ride quality was incredible too.
10 days into our Model-Y experience, the only substantial disappointment is the rough ride - bumpier/jigglier than it seemed in our test drives. It’s hard to say whether it’s a difference in tires, or just the roads we took in the test drives. However, we also changed our plan from RWD to AWD during the decision process, and in 20/20 hindsight, that could have been the difference. If that is indeed the difference, then if I had it to do again, I’d have stuck with RWD.
One of the differentiators , now for either, is the possibility to charge 100% as needed for the LFP battery on the RWD, essentially closing the usage/ charging gap for them
The upgraded 2024 model 3 that apparently is out now in Europe - saw a review of - supposedly has a bit softer ride which I would be interested in. Nothing said about the Y getting the same upgrades??? Also, I am single and don't qualify for rebates. Could my son buy(who qualifies for credits) and then sell to me. I know Alex has commented in teh past about getting rebates via leases, but fear there will be a penalty built in - how about a in depth video on pluses and minuses?
Travis, I've never leased - always purchased in the past, but my income won't qualify for the rebate as a purchase so wondering about lease terms and conditions. Concern is out of ignorance - will the leasor include some hard to evaluate price clawbacks - e.g. interest on their money higher than my equvialent if purchased. So looking for a tutorial on how leases are put together and wonder if they are negotiable? For Tesla lease - is Tesla the leasor or another financial entitiy? More than one leasor? Same questions for non Tesla EVs. I don't have an EV, but want to try one at some point. Looks like Tesla has one the charging station war, so concerned about other make EVs until they are fully compatible with a Tesla charge station. Also if my son could purchase to get teh tax credits and then immedaitely sell to me? I'm thinking the rules probably prohibit a quick turnover? Is there a limit to how often an EV credit can be taken? Thanks for any help understanding any of this - especially how a lease should be evaluated. - Bob D Tesla@@AAutoBuyersGuide
Usable range when factoring in daily charging guidelines between LFP (charging to 100% most of the time) vs NCA (charging up to 80% most of the time) is also a consideration between the model 3 RWD (maybe the LR?) And the model y models.
In a couple places, you mentioned a “comfort suspension.” I don’t recall anything along those lines when I ordered our model Y. What is that, or was that?
I wanted to buy a model 3 but the cost of public charging (as near as I can tell because finding charger $ rates is not easy unless you own a Tesla) even with the efficiency of the model 3 compared to the cost of fuel and mpg of my PHEV just doesn't make it a cost effective choice for my requirements. Perhaps if I didn't have to travel so much for work it would be a much better option but for now full EVs and the rising electric rates left me with too many concerns
For what it's worth, I find the Superchargers to be a fair amount less expensive than other Level 3 and even some Level 2 options. Public charging is still going to be more expensive than plugging in at home but I think you would need to be doing a majority of your charging on the road for in not to be more cost effective. -Travis
Yes I realize they are cheaper than other public charging options, I was assuming a Tesla charger would cost anywhere from 20 to 40 cents in CO and NM. With an approximate range of 250-300 miles I would have to charge 2-3 times a week on the road assuming 4 miles per kWH with a Model 3. Given this info, the cost of the Tesla after trade in or private sale of my PHEV, fuel being no more than $3.39 a gallon (currently $2.43 to 2.89 on my route) with my PHEV getting around 50 mpg and the additional maintenance expense of my PHEV, buying a Model 3 now would be more expensive than keeping my PHEV. The next consideration was the cost of electricity, in California the average is 30 cents per kWH with the average across the the rest of the USA quickly approaching 19 cents. With the increased demands of electric charging and the cost to retire & reclaim existing power plants combined with the cost to build new clean generation, the average cost of electricity in the US is probably going to get closer to California's rates. This assumption was based on how California's costs have grown as they headed towards roughly 35% clean energy compared to the rest of the USA at around 13%. It is all just a guess given the variables but when my PHEV is ready for replacement I will run the numbers again.
I tried sitting in both, but the Y was just way to upright for me. I love the S but with the refreshed 3 & especially the $7500 off price directly, I may just go long range 3
I owned both a '20 Y Performance and a '21 3 Performance at the same time. We liked both cars, but got tired of waiting on the Cybertruck to launch so the choice was to sell the Y. It was nice, but the 3 is a lot more fun to drive, gets better range and doesn't eat through tires like the staggered setup on the Y Performance. If we didn't end up getting a truck to replace the Y, then it would have made more sense to sell the 3 for it's increased storage capacity, even though it wasn't as enjoyable to drive.
choosing b/w the 2 is the hardest design ive ever had to make but I’ve noticed the difference in the way they drive and the space of the Y just doesnt seem worth the sacrifice since I dont have kids. I drive solo majority of the time.
So help me out here, I drive a Ford Fusion Energi PHEV, I believe the model 3 is an intermediate or mid-sized car, like mine, correct? The Camry and Civics are compacts, or so I thought. The Model S is a large car, by government standards, isn’t it?
Camry is in the Fusion size segment. Model 3 is very close to Camry dimensions and only slightly smaller than the Fusion. Tesla has significantly better interior space packaging so even though the exterior is smaller, it has more cargo capacity than both your fusion and the Camry.
Which should I get? Whichever one someone is willing to gift to me. I'll pay the income taxes, the sales taxes, registration, charger and charger install and full solar panel system. Otherwise I cannot justify adding another vehicle to my fleet that includes my y2k Tacoma that still looks and runs well. I won't replace it if it ain't broke (otherwise I'll be broke).
Tesla needs a real SUV as the Y is an overgrown car and many of us want more ground clearance, cargo space, interior room and off road capabilities. The Y looks like a tall 3.
I can’t recall any car journalists talking about the fact that rear passengers cannot fit their feet under the front seats of a Model 3, which is not an issue on the Model Y.
The battery is smaller in the model 3 so charging cost less and going to 100% every week is ok. Traveling with the model 3 so far has been a breeze. Thanks Tesla for having the best network. 😊
I'd say after watching this, the 3P would be the way to go for my lifestyle no more kids (Adults now, wo-ho) and after seeing this don't need the extra space as i thought.
you can now get a tesla at a casino :P they find ways around things. I have a rwd 3 at almost 50k but i have full auto drive. i love it.. im thinking not so much in the winter, because i dont have a garage. camera issues, door handle issues etc but i love it so far.
I think you and I think on similar wavelengths here but the sad truth is that it could actually hurt sales. Liftback is different than hatchback but North America seems to prefer a trunk for some reason. -Travis
Yes, these are available for tax credits. It's a tough subject to cover because different areas have different incentives and not everyone is eligible for those. -Travis
I think the Model Y looks like an upside down bathtub. But IT IS the car I would buy if I was buying an EV. The charging network is the reason and the Tesla ecosystem makes me comfortable that everything will work well together. I like other EV’s such as the EV6 better but it just doesn’t compare for true overall ownership experience I would think.
A lot of talk about the tax credit but keep in mind it is income limited also. Many people who can afford these electric vehicles aren’t eligible because they have gross income in excess of the allowable limit, so it’s not an incentive - and buyers like us look at a wide array of other vehicles.
I see your point. Though a lot of people out there that fall under that limit will buy it rather or not they can responsibly afford it. They do the longest loan option.
150k, 225k, and 300k. I don't think you realize the percentage of people that make less than 300k a year and are married. The Tesla's start at 38,790 which is less than many gas cars. So actually it is an incentive to the majority.
@@fwilerI’m not looking at the data at this moment but electric car buyers are disproportionately high income earners. I’m not arguing your point. It’s a good point. I was just coming at it from the data of who buys or leases electric cars. It would suggest that the cheaper electric cars are 2nd or 3rd cars in the household.
The joy of living in Northern California. You can walk from Sacramento to San Francisco by jumping from white Tesla to white Tesla without ever touching the ground 😂😂😂
theres only 2 issues with the model y. no instrument cluster in front of the driver and the 3rd row isnt adultable. the model x fixes both those issues plus really cool rear doors but twice the cost. i need to hit the lottery and get my model x lol
Geez, that opening 20 seconds with the cars coming into frame... Just reminded me how bad Tesla styling is. I love Tesla's mission, hate their turtle-faced, jelly-bean cars.
It's a distinct style and it's not going to be everyones cup of tea. It's not my favorite but since I bought one it's clearly good enough for me. -Travis
Crossovers destroyed choice in the car market, that's a big reason I'll never consider one. So many great coupes and sedans are already dead because of those awful blobs.
they say more space but where is the space??? i can tell you in head room if you have the worlds largest head you need a model y if you like to sit in a high chair like a baby in a feeding chair then the model y is the right pick!!! if your a man that isnt beta or ugly as sin maybe the 3 is the better pick because the model 3 can tow hold the same family and luggage the added space in y is shoulder and up. so its not like its useable space!!!
Alex and Travis, I salute the camera operator. There was more panning in this video than in a typical month's production.😁
When you need the best you call in the best; shout out to Alexandra for the camera work! -Travis
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As an owner of both, Model Y is the way to go. The extra space makes such a quality of life improvement.
The sales of the Y tell the story…..that saved me some time …..
Totally disagree. 3 looks way better
If you don’t have kids it’s really not needed
When I bought M3 MY didn’t exist
I still think MY is ugly looking just a beefed up version of M3 which is fine I’ll get Rivian R2 which is boxy and way better than MY
I have both as well. Strongly prefer to drive the Model 3, dont really like driving the Model Y tbh. Model 3 is sooo much fun to drive and the Model Y is just so-so.
BUT for family/practical stuff the Model Y is much much better.
I want the faster 0-60 of the model 3 but I love the fact that I could sleep comfortably in the back of a Model Y while camping
The Camry/Accord comparison is interesting given that the cabin dimensions (& exterior dimensions) of the Model 3 are almost identical to compacts like the Civic, Elantra, and Jetta.
the higher front seat helps a lot as you age.
Big point the biodefence filter is what nailed my purchase of the model Y, especially here in BC with all that forest fire smoke during the warmer months! Everyone was hoping the refreshed model 3 would have it but such is not the case!
At the current pricing, a Model Y dual motor is cheaper than a Model 3 dual motor. Plus, I wanted steering wheel stalks with easier entry/exit. Picked up my '24 Model Y dual motor a few weeks ago. Love it!
You men both make a great team to comment on all phases of the Model 3 and Y. Really excellent review. Thank you as your comments are of value for a decision to purchase.
Thank you for watching and glad you found it worth your time! -Travis
My 2023 rwd m3 is way softer than the original model 3. I don't have any regrets of going with a sedan. Point A - B car and a great charging network and second car for the family. Compliments our van perfectly for everyday use. Bye-bye gas station!
Thanks for sharing your experience! -Travis
If you're a soccer mom, get the Y. If you're a rich soccer mom, get the X. If you want a sexy car, get the 3. If you're rich and want an even sexier car, get the S!
I’m a avid AOA watcher and I see all the EV options. At the end I chose the model 3 rwd because I narrowed my needs down to small battery efficient cars. Unfortunately, I think the EV shopper’s obsession with range is detrimental to the environment and puts less cars on the road for the same resource. Public charging is the better solution rather than having big heavy batteries. I’ve driven 18k mi around the US this year since March when I bought my model 3. Honestly with how reliable the superchargers are, I never really wished for the extra range of the LR.
Another difference between the Y and the 3 is the Y has a 40/20/40 split rear seat, the 3 has 60/40. That is the main reason I have a Y not a 3, although I do like the 3 more in some ways.
Tire sizes affect range. Look for one with 18's.
We love our Model 3 & Model Y, very efficient: 4 miles per kilowatt hour for the 3 and slightly less for the Y.
Long range or rwd model 3?
So far, I’m really enjoying my 2023 model 3 RWD! I definitely like that i can charge to 100% with the LFP battery. Maybe if I have a family in the future I’d consider the Y but I’m not the biggest fan of how it looks lol. Can’t really go wrong with either one!
I completely agree! Getting to charge to 100% without worry is really nice and its such a nice car for quite a bit cheaper then the other models.
100% agreed
I bought my Tesla 3 2 months ago. Its my first car and I love it. Its the perfect size for me. While there are a few features I would like in the Y it wasnt worth the price difference for me of 7,500 at the time. Its super easy to charge and I dont even charge at home so it will only get easier once I get a house.
I have both the 3 and Y in the performance versions. My 3 Performance is lowered on Mountain Pass Performance coil overs with Zero G wheels. The handling on the 3 is much better. The storage on the Y is key to taking the vehicle on a long trip.
A different tool for different jobs. -Travis
Rented a Y from Hertz and loved it. Didn't love the curb rash on the black wheels though lol.
Being able to rent an electric vehicle is great for folks who have never driven one before. Dipping your toes in the water is a much smaller step than diving in. -Travis
Curb rash on Tesla's is something that is a bit hard to avoid, unless you are completely aware that the wheel covers don't fully cover the rim edges, AND Tesla's have "hips" (they are a little wider in the rear) along with slightly longer wheelbases. Combine those, and you've got to make sure not to park too close to curbs, and carefully take right turns slightly wider to avoid scraping right rear wheels. I've done both.
Wow, what a useful video! Thank you! A comfort suspension option is something I'd want. One other thing that would be good to know is just how loud is it going 60 mph on the freeway with that big glass roof? I wish there was an option for a smaller "moon roof" to quiet things down (and in a place like FL, to moderate the heat!)
Since there's no solid roof option it's not possible to say how much more noise comes in through the glass. That said, this is a quiet (not silent) ride and one of the biggest things first time EV drivers will experience is the fact that the noise you're hearing is going to be different. You'll hear more road and wind noise but that's because the engine isn't covering that up by being louder. -Travis
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Thanks Travis. I'd be interested to know what dB levels Alex measured when testing whichever Tesla models that were available to him. From what you're saying, it is likely quieter in the Tesla than an ICE counterpart. And I guess tires and road surface will play a significant role in noise levels (since there is no ICE to, at least partially, mask those sounds.)
Thanks for the video; very insightful. We just bought a Model Y Long Range AWD with tow hitch. As a first-time Tesla owner (coming from the Toyota/Prius world) we found the buying experience awful (I'd grade it as a "D-"). There was zero effort to cater to a first time buyer with the poisonous "Teslas Sell Themselves" attitude clearly underlying the piss poor service. I would never recommend someone consider a Tesla purchase unless you are prepared for a cold, impersonal, buying experience (or bring a friend who has been through the Tesla process to fill the void in the Tesla customer service). The two service centers we visited (mid-week) appeared woefully understaffed, which makes it nearly impossible to ask questions, little less get proactive buying/sales process advice.
That's where videos like this one fill the gap. There are literally hundreds from real owners and skilled reviewers that will provide more info and from different angles compared to the Tesla staff. Also FaceBook has user groups for many US States that are very helpful to answer questions you may have.
Great video! I really liked the follow cam showing at the same time as the cabin discussion cam. What would be incredible is if you had a backseat passenger cam in the upper left. All angles covered. Keep it up!
Thanks for the feedback and for watching! -Travis
Yep, I have a GC Overland (got a Good deal on it) but I also own a Midsize car for driving around. I Like what Travis said at the end as to why he choose his. I would get a similar model to his when i get an EV. I am Single. No animals and dont drive far, But rarely. I dont need all the extra room.
I feel like if they made the model 3 with a lift-back one could get the best of both worlds given that I like cargo practicality, but don’t need the extra height of a crossover.
It really surprises me that more vehicles don’t provide lift back options for sedans rather than forcing someone to buy a crossovers or SUVs for the more practical rear space.
Depends on what you need it for. There is no worse or better. I like my Model Y I recently reviewed. For our family the Model 3 would not work as well.
Great vid! Thank you! I am on cross road between two and your comparison is one of the few not biased towards one or the other but real things in each of the two.
Thanks for watching, we aim to provide the information you need to make the best decision for you! -Travis
I have a model 3 LR! Plan to upgrade to a MY Performance sometime next year!
Model Y is hands down pick for me. I wanted more storage space and the Hatchback style gives that to me. I also wanted the LR dual motor capability.
Take care.
My family just bought a Model Y yesterday. We looked at Lexus and Jeep options for more size and clearance, but the dealer experience is just so bad. It brought back PTSD, lol, from our last dealership experiences. I will never buy from an automaker that doesn't allow online-only purchase. Tesla has the best purchase experience. Financing through Tesla at 6% for 72 was also the best offer with the fed's current anti worker stance. So with the tax credit, the Y was just too good of price to pass up, not to mention fuel saving and higher safety rating. We even both liked other vehicles more. In the end, the dealership model lost Lexus and Jeep customers.
I hope you enjoy your Model Y but it's also a shame that dealers can have such a negative impact on the shopping experience. With sales models like Tesla, Rivian, and Polestar becoming more visible to consumers it's only a matter of time before the dealers have to do better.....I hope. -Travis
The tax credits are amazing! Especially right after the Tesla price drop.
There’s a lot of things you mention that I think the average consumer really doesn’t care about, but nonetheless I appreciate the informative video! For me I picked the Y because I’m too poor to afford the X but I wanted a Tesla and space. The Y may not be as fast as any of the others in terms of 0-60 but coming from a base model Hyundai from 2014, it feels incredibly fast to me, I wouldn’t want an even faster one 😂 ride quality was incredible too.
If you live in the tropics, do you even need the heat pump?
I'd love to hear More about Evie's especially Tesla's since I Am contemplating purchasing one of them
I like the extra ground clearance the Y model has
Can't wait until you try a highland model 3 and compare
10 days into our Model-Y experience, the only substantial disappointment is the rough ride - bumpier/jigglier than it seemed in our test drives. It’s hard to say whether it’s a difference in tires, or just the roads we took in the test drives. However, we also changed our plan from RWD to AWD during the decision process, and in 20/20 hindsight, that could have been the difference. If that is indeed the difference, then if I had it to do again, I’d have stuck with RWD.
Larger wheels will have a major impact on ride quality, as the smaller sidewalls with the large wheels decreases cushioning
@@jamespaul2587, yeah. Our Model Y and the ones we test drove were both 19”.
One of the differentiators , now for either, is the possibility to charge 100% as needed for the LFP battery on the RWD, essentially closing the usage/ charging gap for them
You can charge any EV to 100% but yes, the LFP chemistry is more "happier" at 100% than other options. -Travis
I like Model Y for slightly bigger interior, but the handling of Model 3 is a lot better, so I went with Model 3.
Agree. Have a 3 and a Y. I drive the 3 because I want to and the Y because I have to.
Is ground clearance of both vehicles similar ?
The Model Y (non performance) is 1.3 inches higher off the ground. -Travis
The upgraded 2024 model 3 that apparently is out now in Europe - saw a review of - supposedly has a bit softer ride which I would be interested in. Nothing said about the Y getting the same upgrades??? Also, I am single and don't qualify for rebates. Could my son buy(who qualifies for credits) and then sell to me. I know Alex has commented in teh past about getting rebates via leases, but fear there will be a penalty built in - how about a in depth video on pluses and minuses?
What kind of built in penalty are you referencing? I don't think I understand. -Travis
Travis, I've never leased - always purchased in the past, but my income won't qualify for the rebate as a purchase so wondering about lease terms and conditions. Concern is out of ignorance - will the leasor include some hard to evaluate price clawbacks - e.g. interest on their money higher than my equvialent if purchased. So looking for a tutorial on how leases are put together and wonder if they are negotiable? For Tesla lease - is Tesla the leasor or another financial entitiy? More than one leasor? Same questions for non Tesla EVs. I don't have an EV, but want to try one at some point. Looks like Tesla has one the charging station war, so concerned about other make EVs until they are fully compatible with a Tesla charge station.
Also if my son could purchase to get teh tax credits and then immedaitely sell to me? I'm thinking the rules probably prohibit a quick turnover? Is there a limit to how often an EV credit can be taken?
Thanks for any help understanding any of this - especially how a lease should be evaluated. - Bob D
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has "won" the charging station war
Usable range when factoring in daily charging guidelines between LFP (charging to 100% most of the time) vs NCA (charging up to 80% most of the time) is also a consideration between the model 3 RWD (maybe the LR?) And the model y models.
Totally. Surprised this wasn’t mentioned and something I love about M3 with the LFP pack. You can just charge to 100% all the time without worry
@@DaveHaas Same here!
In a couple places, you mentioned a “comfort suspension.” I don’t recall anything along those lines when I ordered our model Y. What is that, or was that?
I wonder why they didnt make a rear facing 3rd row like the Model S.
I wanted to buy a model 3 but the cost of public charging (as near as I can tell because finding charger $ rates is not easy unless you own a Tesla) even with the efficiency of the model 3 compared to the cost of fuel and mpg of my PHEV just doesn't make it a cost effective choice for my requirements. Perhaps if I didn't have to travel so much for work it would be a much better option but for now full EVs and the rising electric rates left me with too many concerns
For what it's worth, I find the Superchargers to be a fair amount less expensive than other Level 3 and even some Level 2 options. Public charging is still going to be more expensive than plugging in at home but I think you would need to be doing a majority of your charging on the road for in not to be more cost effective. -Travis
Yes I realize they are cheaper than other public charging options, I was assuming a Tesla charger would cost anywhere from 20 to 40 cents in CO and NM. With an approximate range of 250-300 miles I would have to charge 2-3 times a week on the road assuming 4 miles per kWH with a Model 3. Given this info, the cost of the Tesla after trade in or private sale of my PHEV, fuel being no more than $3.39 a gallon (currently $2.43 to 2.89 on my route) with my PHEV getting around 50 mpg and the additional maintenance expense of my PHEV, buying a Model 3 now would be more expensive than keeping my PHEV. The next consideration was the cost of electricity, in California the average is 30 cents per kWH with the average across the the rest of the USA quickly approaching 19 cents. With the increased demands of electric charging and the cost to retire & reclaim existing power plants combined with the cost to build new clean generation, the average cost of electricity in the US is probably going to get closer to California's rates. This assumption was based on how California's costs have grown as they headed towards roughly 35% clean energy compared to the rest of the USA at around 13%. It is all just a guess given the variables but when my PHEV is ready for replacement I will run the numbers again.
I tried sitting in both, but the Y was just way to upright for me.
I love the S but with the refreshed 3 & especially the $7500 off price directly, I may just go long range 3
Hopefully our video was able to help in your decision making process. -Travis
Isn't the refresh 3 not available until 2024? Which by that time won't qualify for the full $7500 tax incentive?
@@catcityhulk hmmm idk I havnt been keeping up with the changes of the incentive but I suppose I’ll find out soon enough
@@roco9504model 3 is officially expected to get it reduced half
@@InsighterofTechwhen
No mention of the new Model 3? Feels like it should be addressed.
I'm a firm believer if you have kids the Model Y however if you are alone then Model 3!
Options either way! -Travis
Couldnt agree more
they look almost identical ! except the Y is a bit bigger, did E M fired their design team ??
12:28 what? The V6 Camry, Legacy, Civic, Arteon, and others are faster than the base Model Y
We're talking about the Model 3, not the Model Y. -Travis
@@AAutoBuyersGuide that makes more sense, but the cars I mentioned (in their fastest configurations) are also as fast or faster than a base model 3
I have owned the 3 for four years and considering a Y.
The wheel rash on the model Y had me cringing the whole time 😬
At least it wasn't our fault! -Travis
Agreed! Another reason for white rims on a white car.
First of all …. Thanks for changing the music (Audio) on starting the video …. ….. because of old music I always skip your videos ….. 😂
I owned both a '20 Y Performance and a '21 3 Performance at the same time. We liked both cars, but got tired of waiting on the Cybertruck to launch so the choice was to sell the Y. It was nice, but the 3 is a lot more fun to drive, gets better range and doesn't eat through tires like the staggered setup on the Y Performance. If we didn't end up getting a truck to replace the Y, then it would have made more sense to sell the 3 for it's increased storage capacity, even though it wasn't as enjoyable to drive.
Thank you for your comparison.
That's a great take, each of these does one or two things better than the other. -Travis
choosing b/w the 2 is the hardest design ive ever had to make but I’ve noticed the difference in the way they drive and the space of the Y just doesnt seem worth the sacrifice since I dont have kids. I drive solo majority of the time.
I do most of my driving in Eastern Washington/Northern Idaho so the AWD model is a must.
Absolutely go for AWD if you have snow all winter long, but just for fun you should try the RWD in the snow. It is surprisingly good.
I really didn’t like your old presenter but Travis seems awesome! I can’t wait to see more content with him.
Like everything about the Tesla. The 2024 styling makes the Model 3 more appealing to me.
Just a reminder, that new Tesla design (Highland) hasn't yet been announced for North America. No saying exactly when we'll get it over here. -Travis
So help me out here, I drive a Ford Fusion Energi PHEV, I believe the model 3 is an intermediate or mid-sized car, like mine, correct? The Camry and Civics are compacts, or so I thought. The Model S is a large car, by government standards, isn’t it?
Camry is in the Fusion size segment. Model 3 is very close to Camry dimensions and only slightly smaller than the Fusion. Tesla has significantly better interior space packaging so even though the exterior is smaller, it has more cargo capacity than both your fusion and the Camry.
@@feistyfinn9365Model 3 is 184.8” long. Civic is 184. Camry and Accord class vehicles are 192+”.
I interior space varies on each.
Model Y wins, Has all of what the 3 has to offer plus more.
Model Y doesnt handle well. Model 3 is sooo much fun to drive.
Thanks guys. Now I want both... lol
Which should I get? Whichever one someone is willing to gift to me. I'll pay the income taxes, the sales taxes, registration, charger and charger install and full solar panel system. Otherwise I cannot justify adding another vehicle to my fleet that includes my y2k Tacoma that still looks and runs well. I won't replace it if it ain't broke (otherwise I'll be broke).
When will you review a 2023 Tesla Model X Dual Motor?
Tesla needs a real SUV as the Y is an overgrown car and many of us want more ground clearance, cargo space, interior room and off road capabilities. The Y looks like a tall 3.
is the build quality not an issue anymore
I can’t recall any car journalists talking about the fact that rear passengers cannot fit their feet under the front seats of a Model 3, which is not an issue on the Model Y.
Model 3 highland should be a smoother suspension.
Would you like the medium egg or the large egg?
🤣🤣🤣
The battery is smaller in the model 3 so charging cost less and going to 100% every week is ok. Traveling with the model 3 so far has been a breeze. Thanks Tesla for having the best network. 😊
Great Review!!!
Thanks for watching! -Travis
I'd say after watching this, the 3P would be the way to go for my lifestyle no more kids (Adults now, wo-ho) and after seeing this don't need the extra space as i thought.
Great review with informed conversation. Thank you.
you can now get a tesla at a casino :P they find ways around things. I have a rwd 3 at almost 50k but i have full auto drive. i love it.. im thinking not so much in the winter, because i dont have a garage. camera issues, door handle issues etc but i love it so far.
If the 3 was a liftback it would sell waaay better!
I think you and I think on similar wavelengths here but the sad truth is that it could actually hurt sales. Liftback is different than hatchback but North America seems to prefer a trunk for some reason. -Travis
I think it's important to mention that you get tax credits on these vehicles. I'm in Colorado and i get $7500 federal plus $5000 state credits
Yes, these are available for tax credits. It's a tough subject to cover because different areas have different incentives and not everyone is eligible for those. -Travis
The reported future $27k tesla will be a game changer. That would get the masses interested.
That "report" has been around for many many years. That's not to say it won't happen but I certainly wouldn't hold your breath. -Travis
The base Model 3 today is $37,430.
$38,990 one day later.
It is not an SUV it is an MPV
I went with a friend to pick up his new Tesla. When you can tell nobody is there to help you out.
the Y is like a SUV Sedan cross breed
Hence the origins of the "crossover" segment. -Travis
I think the Model Y looks like an upside down bathtub. But IT IS the car I would buy if I was buying an EV. The charging network is the reason and the Tesla ecosystem makes me comfortable that everything will work well together. I like other EV’s such as the EV6 better but it just doesn’t compare for true overall ownership experience I would think.
A lot of talk about the tax credit but keep in mind it is income limited also. Many people who can afford these electric vehicles aren’t eligible because they have gross income in excess of the allowable limit, so it’s not an incentive - and buyers like us look at a wide array of other vehicles.
I see your point. Though a lot of people out there that fall under that limit will buy it rather or not they can responsibly afford it. They do the longest loan option.
@@cutlassrktI can’t disagree with you
150k, 225k, and 300k. I don't think you realize the percentage of people that make less than 300k a year and are married. The Tesla's start at 38,790 which is less than many gas cars. So actually it is an incentive to the majority.
@@fwilerI’m not looking at the data at this moment but electric car buyers are disproportionately high income earners. I’m not arguing your point. It’s a good point. I was just coming at it from the data of who buys or leases electric cars. It would suggest that the cheaper electric cars are 2nd or 3rd cars in the household.
dang you got slim . Share the secret...
Y… full stop
I believe in China they have a model 3 with a hatchback. I don't really need an SUV but I want a hatchback
Mode y is basically a hatchback, it doesn’t look SUV style enough, not much ground clearance and it’s not boxy shape.
The joy of living in Northern California. You can walk from Sacramento to San Francisco by jumping from white Tesla to white Tesla without ever touching the ground 😂😂😂
Enjoyed this but I knew you couldn’t get through it without saying, “rabbit hole.” 😑
I had a Model 3 Performance for 3 years. Never again.
Once you drive a Model X there is no going back to a Model Y.
One would hope so because of how much more expensive the Model X is. -Travis
theres only 2 issues with the model y. no instrument cluster in front of the driver and the 3rd row isnt adultable. the model x fixes both those issues plus really cool rear doors but twice the cost. i need to hit the lottery and get my model x lol
Geez, that opening 20 seconds with the cars coming into frame... Just reminded me how bad Tesla styling is. I love Tesla's mission, hate their turtle-faced, jelly-bean cars.
It's a distinct style and it's not going to be everyones cup of tea. It's not my favorite but since I bought one it's clearly good enough for me. -Travis
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Hasn't seemed to hurt sales any, so 🤷
Neither 😂
They just seem to be talking out of their you know what. Talking just to talk
Crossovers destroyed choice in the car market, that's a big reason I'll never consider one. So many great coupes and sedans are already dead because of those awful blobs.
That crossover has forced a lot of "cars" to crossover. -Travis
Lets face it: California and the rest of the USA are not the same.
California is a big state, California isn't the same as California. -Travis
Did Alex use AI to clone himself? One huge improvement would be to make Elon a real boy.
Both are hideous 😂
No one likes car dealers....
Neither...
+1. Plenty of other options on the market now that doesn't have Elon Musk's slimey fingerprints all over them
Yup - as long as Elon is involved with Tesla in any fashion, this is a hard no from me
they say more space but where is the space??? i can tell you in head room if you have the worlds largest head you need a model y if you like to sit in a high chair like a baby in a feeding chair then the model y is the right pick!!! if your a man that isnt beta or ugly as sin maybe the 3 is the better pick because the model 3 can tow hold the same family and luggage the added space in y is shoulder and up. so its not like its useable space!!!
I will never own an ECE (external combustion engine) EV. I don't know anyone else who will own one that hasn't already.
ECE = oven on wheels - - -LOL
@@EpicDrew15always fun and annoying to see someone say why did you watch this video? Please, anyone can have their opinion and watch what they want.
Wow ECE! How is an electric vehicle external combustion like a steam engine?
@@cutlassrkt Electric cars are powered externally by the combustion of fosil fuels at power plants.
There's no such thing as an external combustion engine, unless you're shoveling coal into a boiler 😊
This video is poorly timed. With the Highland 3 coming, the assertions about comfort, NVH, ride quality, etc are no longer relevant or accurate.
Tesla still sells pre highland models. And there are used teslas out there for sale, so it is still relevant.
The Highland hasn't been announced for North America so there's relevance until it is. -Travis
Waste of 27:27 mins..comparing something that everyone knows 👎
Would like to know which Tesla supercharger has got restroom to use? Such a bias review
Neither. Stick with ICE.