History of Cheating & Faked Speedruns in Goldeneye & Perfect Dark, & How The-Elite Got Clean
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2017
- Twenty years ago, no one would have foreseen the current state of speedrunning becoming such a special profession or hobby for so many people, and so the decisions made by communities and community members along the way were often those of naive innocence or inexperience. In this fireside chat, I tell a (not so) brief history of different occasions people have cheated or faked speedruns at the-elite.net, the consequences, and how the-elite reformed to make it out of it all as one of the cleanest speedrun communities.
I had only planned on talking for about 20 minutes, but the mood by the fire was so cozy that 50 minutes felt like 20. I hope to do another fireside chat or two very soon!
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Thanks for watching, and until next time, stay true! - Ігри
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at 24:23 goose freezes for the correction but the fire keeps going... goose splicing cabin vids too
Were the sounds fake then? Or were the frogs and crickets legit?
It's not a splice. The region he's using always freezes the player at 24:23.
DUDE, these fireside videos need a comeback.
24:21 - SPLICED - Goose freezes but the fire continues moving! The fire is faked! =)
Cory J I was wondering if someone else noticed lol
Lol
Okay, like what. That's trippy.
I was about to yell about this video being spliced too, hahaha!
The fire isn't casting any light movement either
I have a feeling you're gonna be an awesome grandpa.
yeah its gonna be weird when we're all old... talking to our grandkids about speedrunning computer games.. seems a bit incongruous, lol
Degenerate grandpas.
(jk)
I wish he was my (slightly younger than me) grandpa...
He already has the mentality for it (No offense)
Just for a little bit of history: back in 1997 Photoshop already had pretty much everything is has today, just less automation. So, to edit a simple screenshot was a walk in the park in 2001. The program was born as good as it is, you could install PS V3 today and still rock.
Even the *1988* versions could probably do this.
Edit: I tried it, and its possible: ua-cam.com/video/AaW4OWfW_pk/v-deo.html
The result is probably about as good as the early photoshop fakes in this video were.
This is a fascinating insight into something that was HUGE in the lives of a very small amount of people. All the drama, all the BS, all the emotion and you couldn't talk about it to anyone you know in person since they just wouldn't get it.
I was big into sim racing 2000-2003 then big into it 2007-2013 and it was the same. There was a core of 20-30 people, maybe 150ish total cycling in and out over the years. Huge dramas, huge fights, lifelong friendships made and even at least marriage.
It's all gone now, the formus have went offline before being archived, all the race results, lap records, replay files, skins, everything. All gone. It was great at the time but it's sad there's nothing left.
24:24 Is it just me or is the fire moving while goose is paused? This is the new #1 Mysterious things in elite history.
lmao
goose is edited in xd
What a troll
Since goose likes to talk about splicing cheaters in speedrunning, you would think he wouldn't do such a shitty splice job! Doesn't make me think less of the dude...BUT.....is he part of the splice run community? Has he been this whole time? The fire on the top and his fingers make the shape of a triangle. Illuminatti?
I have no ties to the Goldeneye speedrunning community, but I do enjoy a good speedrun, especially of a game I enjoyed as a kid, and I have to say, I REALLY like this very informative, and rather personal view into someone who has had a strong connection and impact with the community. I really hope to see more content like this from you; I think the fireside chat setup works really, really well.
I Agree. As Someone Who Loves The Ideas Of Speedrunning But Doesn't Have The Time To Practice Any Type Of Speedrun I Love Goose's Videos
It felt like 20 minutes to watch too. Your videos are so compelling that they always fly by.
The insane thing is, "Octoinky", the first known Elite cheater, now works as a high-up at Facebook doing cyber security. Unreal turn over the last 15 years! He's a pretty cool guy, was just a stupid teenager back then.
LOL You claimed fake times twice?
Originally when I was on GameFAQs yeah, and the Silo 00 thing was a terrible decision. Goose nailed it with the "the game owed me" thing, we've clearly talked about this before lol.
goldenjimbo007 Big of you to own up to making mistakes and to move forward legit. A lot of people who get caught continue to do it or deny it even with all the evidence pointing to cheating, like Billy Mitchell. Cheers!
@@goldenjimbo007 can you fix facebook and their biased policies against conservatives?
He works at facebook. That precludes him from being a good person.
I love how goose promises a 'brief' sermon but cant help talk for an hour... not that we are complaining!
"you could train a dog, maybe even with some deficiencies, to get that time." actually lold
Thank you so much for the love and time you put into making these videos. Very interesting and just the kind of stuff I look for online.
When you see goose sitting next to a fireplace you know it's gonna be a damn fine video
I would let Goose tell me bed time stories every night before I go to sleep.
all fun aside, i used to love falling asleep listening to long internet vids.. unfortunately unless youve got em downloaded you really shouldnt. wifi etc fucks with your sleep big time - seems to make everyone ive seen talk about it wake up every few hours, usually every three - give you intense dreams/nightmares and generally gives you shitty sleep which eventually ends up fucking you up in a whole host of ways.
it sucks, cos id love to fall asleep listening to the dulcet tones of goose et al (@.@)... but yeah, nowadays i bite the bullet, switch my wifi off and read instead to wind down in the last half hour or so before sleep
Burger King you forgot to say no homo
Found you bc of apollos vid. One of the only ppl with enough integrity to admit what you did and why.
I miss Apollo :(
Really interesting and enjoyable watch - I'm late to the party but thoroughly enjoying these fireside chat videos!
Big fan of the cottage. Gonna be a great listen.
Rwhitegoose is so down to earth, he intentionally avoids gully covers because he could accidentally no clip through them.
i love these story videos !
Yo, I'm from Regina, Saskatchewan, and listening to your episodes while I packing to move into a new place. Your stories are bringing back serious childhood memories. :-) Hope all is well.
"They were executed!"
"I hope this helps you fall asleep."
You make the best Goldeneye videos ever. Thanks for the nostalgia, Goose
I should have known you were Canadian. No one else would sit and have a tims like this
Scott Baker that looks like an old Newfie house.
This x 1000
Haha Newfie house. It looks like an old as cabin somewhere here in Saskie too
@@Stizzfoshizz ay, reppin the 306
Can't watch now but stoked to watch when I get home. Thanks for the content Ryan.
honestly between this guy and karl jobst i play these videos about goldeneye just to fall asleep its calming
I watched your runs since 2014 and runs aside, your commentary is amazing to hear. Maybe it's the straight delivery of asked questions on Twitch chat or explanations on UA-cam. Either way, your content is really easy to sit and relax to. Also, running a video game that I played so much as a kid is a definite plus. Keep up the great work, man. :)
I dont know how I got here, I just woke up from falling a sleep on my couch and this vid was running, super random, watch it completely, very interesting. Loved it.
Man, I am a really big fan of this format. I love remote cabins, fireplace stories and Goldeneye 007. Thank you so much!
You should do videos about Perfect Dark too. PD is a great game and deserves more videos!
Sweet! :D
i come back to these fireside videos so frequently. stay true, goose. best from norway
I have never played these games ever, yet through watching your videos ive come to really appreciate the passion this community has. I certainly wouldnt say that i am a part of the community because i never join discussions about it, yet i still find these types of videos talking about the history of the game fascinating.
Your knowledge about this topic in just unreal, to be able to remember world record times from years back off the top of your head and remember so many events that have taken place over the years. Im a very “casual” runner of Dishonored yet i couldnt even tell you the current record in the any % category currently, let alone 15+ years ago (i know d1 is not that old, but still you get the point)
You are honestly one of the best content creators on this platform and I hope you continue what you are doing.
I love this stuff, just started watching these speed running videos the other day. You guys are like the 1996 Chicago Bulls of Goldeneye & Perfect Dark.
I am not even actively involved in speed running but I find these videos very interesting! Keep up the good work!
The fire kept burning as you corrected yourself.. This is what really got me. I like this a lot, started rocking my chair too.
story by the fire, i think this might be one of the best episodes
I just bumped into this, incredible chat goose, i have always watched your 007 runs
When I first saw you speedrun co op sharing controls and how you guys dominated I loved it. Then I randomly a came across these videos about Goldeneye, which were commentated by you with gameplay footage, and then here I realized it's you! Keep it up man! This channel is something I'd so watch regularly.
Even your jackets look so cosy
Like most people I had no idea this community existed the past 20 years, it's fascinating catching up on 20 years of lore ❤️
Couldn’t go to my favorite place this summer for obvious reasons but these videos kind of bring me back to there as the cabin you’re in is pretty similar to my favorite place. On the side I get to hear some truly remarkable Goldeneye History in your soothing voice. I really hope you continue to do these in the future when the normal world comes back. Thanks man :D
rwhitegoose That’s epic! I guess I’ll binge the other Firesides while I wait for October. I have a lot to catch up on.
Love this side of your videos. Definitely need more of these!!
This was excellent! I'm not interested enough in GoldenEye to watch the Speedlores, but I love these fireside chats.
This was a very well crafted and surprisingly entertaining video. I would absolutely watch more more comfy ramblings if this is the format
You'll make a lovely grandfather one day Goose. I'm sure your grandchildren will love your bedtime stories on the speedrunning community.
This is amazing
Incredible video, thank you so much for sharing!
I would take anyone to task if they say this is a "negative" story, to me it's an incredibly positive one-- how a community recognized that there were bad actors out there in the world and got right, policing itself and cleaning up its leaderboards for the best of honest competition and as a fair place anyone can come and compete on an even level. It's a hopeful story about how there is a path back to the right side of the greater Speedrun community for other online boards (which have been talked about a lot these last few weeks and that's how I found this video, but I am not going to name) that have leaderboards suspected to be riddled with fake times, sometimes planted through dubious backroom deals with admins or blatant bald-faced double-down trickery and lies. A story about a community that perhaps lost some of its innocence but found a way to balance its rules to maintain inclusivity while also maintaining integrity.
It's a positive story because it shows there's a road back from the brink, and a way to rebuild trust and build a better community.
I never would have guessed in a million years you *were* a cheater, but it's really cool to see you own up to it, embrace it as your history and tell your story honestly. Thanks for this video.
First time watcher, lifelong subscriber. Great upload I like this format storytelling/info. Cheers!
Lmao that shit was funny how you spliced the pause
YES, another fire-side video! That looks like one SWEET cabin.
I don't play or watch GE/PD streams but your videos are so interesting and fun to watch. Great storytelling, thanks!
I am not even into speed running but i just love watching these videos.
I was confused at first when the screen froze but the fire kept moving but that was a hell of a way to make your point. Great video, very informative, and oddly quite the incite into the fake WR mindset.
This was very interesting, despite me only playing Golden Eye once or twice back in the day. Thank you for uploading.
Dear Goose, this video is great! I saw the speed run with you and that other guy doing full game speed run. Yall destroyed one of my childhood games in 24 min! Keep up the good work!
That place looks so cozy.
Great video, Goose!
Amazing video. Beautiful imagery, and well told.
-rainybeaches
Probably the single best way to talk about anything, right by a classy fireplace. Top tier.
dude this setting is beautiful. it's like an optional podcast with a cozy visual to accompany it if you so please
When you mentioned Avatar, I thought you where referring to M. Night Shyamalan's train wreck of a movie. I was actually scared for a moment.
Great video by the way! I love to have your videos playing in the background while I work.
im new to your channel and speedrunning in general, loving these fireside stories, hope to see more of them! about cheating/faking speedruns, why would anyone want to do that? the best part of speedrunning is that feeling of accomplishment after besting your previous runs or even better, legitimately beating a WR.
From what I've seen, goog runners end up cheating out of frustration. Maybe a small part at the end of a run keeps going wrong and ruining the run, or in a more rng dependant game, frustration that you aren't getting the necessary luck.
Just the thing I needed after a stressful month. Thank you, Goose.
Watching a second time since I fell asleep to this last night. Lol thanks Goose
Train a dog...even with deficiencies... to get that Facilities time ='D Goose you savage bwhahaha love it!
I dont have sub minute :(
Idk what you're doing but something about it makes even the UA-cam community around you positive, that's impressive! Keep shining friend
Great video, keep up the good work I miss hanging out with you!
Bob Ross of goldeneye lore
Fireside videos are great - keep up the good work!
Rwhitegoose I had never even heard of speedrunning before you but I love your channel and your voice is oddly soothing. I now fall asleep to these videos lol
that fireplace with that cup on top and those bug noises gives such warm fuzzies p: love these chill chats, love from cottage country
If I manage to get everyone banned from the rankings can I have every untied world record too
Love the cabin vibe. Keep em coming
You should do another one of these about the origins of The Elite website and how it all happened and who was involved. These are always so interesting to listen to!
I might be a bit late on this one but damn , i enjoyed this video so much that i had to comment ! Thanks for that moment !
FAKE RUN
The fire is still moving even though the video is paused at 24:25!!!
This is obviously faked, you can't see his shadow. The fire is just further proof.
The fire continues running when the game is paused due to the way the SNES processes that layer. It's similar to the SMW pause trick.
This video is so cozy and soothing i just play it while studying
Oh wow, ASMR AND history. Love this channel.
Great video definitely worth the watch :)
Goose, your videos are perfect for going to sleep, or just relaxing. Good show mate.
I love these fireside discussions
OMG Great work Zenith Legend. I completely forgot about that moniker.
Do more of these talks in this environment
I just started the video but the fireside scenery got me gigglin already
its always nice to hear about the history of goldeneye running
Goose, i really like this kind of video. wish you did more! have a great day
Night night Goose, nice story for a nap, thanks a lot and keep up the good work
Love your vids man. Never stop.
@6:35 "his best time, when his career was said and done, was like a Facility - Agent - 58, and I think you could probably train a dog, maybe with some deficiencies even, to get a time like that" - This will forever be the greatest speed running dis of all time. Thanks for the great laugh friend!
I'm not even a big goldeneye/perfect dark fan(honestly came here via mario golf 64), but I could listen to this guy all day. The passion is infectious. Have you considered a podcast format? I can't be the only one who would listen to this in the car.
I like the little touch where you edited the fire still going while you were frozen during the correction.
I thoroughly enjoy listening/watching your videos, regardless of the video game content. I as well, share the same passion and respect for video games and the community we share. Keep on do'in it, Goose.
- Eternal Fan
This guy is gonna be an awesome Grandad one day, imagine being a kid sitting down listening to this guys N64 stories if you are into gaming
This has even more of a 'tell us a story, dad' vibe than previous vids, but I like it.
These stories by the fire are the best.
i'm going to doze off to this, but you're tempting me to get a mega size coffee like the one next to you. This stuff interests me and all the speedrunning stuff. Only ever played GE back in the day and your videos have got me back into this game.
Putting rockets away in the ending cutscene on Frigate was hilarious
Fireside chats are great, love the Tim Hortons cup you've got going on, and interesting stories about the cheating. Thanks Goose!
Although, I gotta admit... right now I wish I had the skill to make blatantly fake Goldeneye meme videos...
Also,
32:00 laughed my ass off at the "putting away the rocket launcher" joke-run
My favorite podcasts to listen to while doing speedruns