Intel Made A PHONE?!
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Intel made a phone... but what happened?
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This video misses an important aspect of Intel phone, which is the fact that their phones were x86 and were not binary compatible with ARM apps at the time. I was an Android developer around that time and remember this quite well. Android apps built for ARM didn't work out of the box for Intel phones at the time. Developers had to submit a second binary built for x86. If your app used only Java, then this wasn't a bit deal. You just need to add x86 as a build target. However if your app used Android NDK (or C libraries) then there were some work to do in order to make sure it runs on Intel phones. Upon launch, a lot of developers just didn't bother and Intel phones could only run a small subset of the apps in Play Store. This improved over time, but I recall every review for Intel based phones at the time mentioned that you could only run some of the apps, which definitely hurt them.
Interestingly Intel made a huge contribution to Android development. In order to run Android on x86, they made a x86 build of Android, which is kept open source (because Android). This build of Android was quickly ported to run on VM (initially Genymotion, then official Android emulator). It gave us a fast and reliable Android emulation on developer's PCs. Before this time, the only Android emulator target used ARM emulation on x86 PC, which was God awful. Literally every click was a slide show. It was a far cry from iOS Simulator. Intel's x86 emulator finally gave us a usable emulator for development, which meant I didn't have to carry a handful of dev devices around when I wanted to work from home or on a business trip, nor did we need to assign at least a couple of dev devices to every developer. Dramatically improving productivity all around. It also opened up the whole Android VM scene, where you can run Android apps on your desktop using something like Bluestacks.
And Intel is still producing CPU's for Smartphones. Lookup the The Unisoc/Spreadtrum SC9853i. So this video is BS
@@Rusty_Shackleford099 You can still order all the phones that has this chip. So unless they go out of stock, they are still being produced unless you have proof that says otherwise.
i remember when i buy asus zenfone phones they have x86 and x64.that time feels like holding most powerful phone but now i realized that sucks.😂
@@erriezzanslounge1380 well I am an owner asus ZenFone 2 with the Intel atom chip. 2 main problem with the phone: the battery life sucks even if you just watching UA-cam, and the phone is hot when gaming going up to 60°C, but the performance is better than most phone in its price range
@@Ran10di1 yeah u can cook egg on that phone
"Sister channel" nah bro, LTT is the mother channel
Big sis
They are all sisters to one another. Same father involved.
Onee-san
Same mother, different fathers
Channel Ara ara~
"One *core* product"
Ah, I see what you did there
Lol...
I had missed it then I saw your comment lol
I wonder how many security patches it will need.
And how many dedicated spionage features are in there.
yes
I wonder how these Techquickie videos will look with a green shirt :)
Easy answer, none, because its comes with a major security defect to the cpu that no amount of patches will fix.
@@Platypus_Warrior I think just the face and hands would be visible which is histerical.
All in all, an Intel phone with the new Windows 10X could be an interesting device
Battery would be dead in 30 minutes
jzilla1234 yup, x86 is not suited for mobile use.
4CLOUD imagine using Windows with only the app store for software... Now imagine that app store limited even further to fit the phone form factor. Giving that a pass.
@@AnonymousUser77254 nah, you could sideload like you can with android. That would be awesome
@@jzilla1234 could probably put an arm core inside the chip for idling and only fire up the x86 side for doing things.
where is is my 128 core AMD phone?
Nowhere
@@kiralykristof6468 u must be fun to hang out with
@@pxlcoarl yea
This sounds so warm that it can actually fuze a nucklear explosion
@@kiralykristof6468 no
2:51 I thought it was Linus talking there 🤣😂
ster88 funny how that’s really similar to his voice
Intel did actually produce CPUs for phones, I myself had an Asus Zenfone 2 (ZE551ML) with an Intel Atom 64 bit capable CPU.
2011, my age started with a "1"
My age started with a '0'
At this point in 2011, mine did too
mine started with an 8.. and ended with an 8, i was 8
My age started with 0
Mine started with the same number it ended with, that being 7
"sister channel LTT" pretty sure you guys are the daughter board in this relationship there bud
LMG is the motherboard here.
In the recommended videos:
"Techquickie: Why doesn't Intel make smartphone CPU's?!"
I think they heard you.
Yet they do. The Spreadtrum SC9853i is still in production. It has 8 Atom cores.
It could also the "Techquickie", "Intel" and "phone". Not to mention the the card.
When u walk into the party but everybody's gone home 😂😂😂
The Asus Zenfone 2 was IntelInside... and I loved it.
Me too man, I still miss that thing and would still use it of it didn't try to take a swim
I bought one. I still have it. Overheats though
I still have mine as secondary. ZE551ML, 4 GB RAM, 128 GB eMMC. Still serves great.
@@geekjit215 I have the 4GB RAM with the 64gig eMMC one
Zenfone 2 Deluxe Special Edition, reporting in. Only time I ever had a problem with the Intel chip was that Pokemon Go didn't have the x86 binary until about 2 weeks into the beta. Beyond that, the phone never steered me wrong.
I remember when Intel was paying people millions to make tablets with their crappy atom chips.
I think they still do, especially most of the cheap tablets you buy at Walmart. Like the RCA tablets that had a Intel CPU chip in them, they was very bad as they was so slow you hardly do anything with them.
They would run Windows POSReady 2009 like a mule
My friends dad worked on one of the Intel and Texas TI phone projects and has the model on a display case with the Processor.
thats awesome,can you tell use more about it?
My Onkel works at Nintendo!! Wait wrong chat
@@diemp4datei216 pff my dad works at microsoft
BlueSubaru My mom works at Apple!!!!!!1!1!1!
My dad puts the seeds in strawberry jam. Sure its not as fancy as working at Microsoft or Apple but its still an important job.
Imagine a world where we had Valve, Intel, and Microsoft team up. We could have had a mobile steam app on a Windows 10 mobile phone. Oh well.
oh well, u cant imagine valve to do anything that have sense.. really..
Steam on mobile doesn't even make sense
lol would be terrible
If it actually was an Intel based phone with dedicated hardware and a controller that amounted to it, you could potentially get steam working
*uses SteamLink app to use PC from the toilet*
I remember seeing an "Sofia 3GR" based car head unit, which is a chip made by Intel. I've never hear about the chip before that. I know it was surpassed by a chip called "Rockchip" in current newer head units.
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Me: Clicks on the link in the description
"Sorry this offer is not available in your region"
I like to see PDAs return, or mini windows PCS. Of course it would be stripped down windows with a skin, but it would have access to Windows and would be open enough that anyone could develop their own software compatible with Windows.
Palm Trēo 700wx. Best mobile computer I ever had. Although running *actual* windows would be more nifty. Maybe it could run Windows 7 basic on the x76 phone to preserve battery life.
0:03 you obviously don't see COVID-19 recommendations
They TOTALY didn't try that already
I like the chiller energy of this video.
Imma give props for Taran editing this video due to all the little things he threw in
2:47 when the teacher asks me wheres the homework
loved the hand gestures
Intel being cheaper than something, now thats new
I had this phone as a test phone.. it had a common issue, the power button (on top) would break, become very smooth and not really make contact with the switch anymore, making the phone a real pain in the ass to use as there is no physical home button so you basically had to hit the broken top button to unlock it.. but a great phone as long as the wake up button was still usable.
How many "+" do you want in your phone?
Intel : yes
I had a great phone from Lenovo, K900 with intel atom, 5.5in ips FHD screen, 7.9mm thin design, all metal... This was year 2014..
I still have it, still working.. On Android 4.3..
Linus tech tips in 2020 if the x86 smartphone succeeded: Overclocking a smartphone with sub-zero liquid cooling
Actually, the first ASUS ZenFone lineup (4, 5 & 6, from the display size in inches) was equipped with Intel Atom CPUs
I owned a Zenfone 5 back in 2015 and it was a great phone for the price.
I like all the funny sound clips here and there
You’re all great presenters. I’m really digging this variety.
I sometimes find some of the hosts trying too hard to copy Linus' mannerisms and presentation. I appreciate variety but the script sounds like something only Linus can pull off with his personality.
They can still enter the phone scene. They just need a proper flagship and a decent price. A gimmicky feature would also really help.
A video I would love to see is a breakdown of the software available for home NASs
It's hard for me to process his PROcessers.
It's like nails on a chalkboard, ain't it?
It might be a Canadian thing. I noticed Canadians emphasize the O on many other words
@@Pico2199 Ahhh nooo
I literally scrolled the comments to see if I was the only one. Really distracting.
*Meanwhile i look at my asus zenfone 2 in 2020*
Me: " *why did i buy you?* "
Still it's running..?
Yep , after 5 years , its still going strong
2:53 When Intel showed up, it seemed very comical and funny indeed.
Imagine having to slow down your phone by a 45% because of Intel's security patches.
This comment was made by the ARM gang.
«security patches»
Maybe you wanted to say spying patches?
ARM?
Fun fact also the ASUS Zenfone 2 came with a Intel processor had one and it was a very great phone pretty snappy for the time!
Back in 2012, it was my first full touch screen Smartphone. It was a great upgrade from my Motorola XT Fire and had a good camera (still getting paid royalty for one pic I clicked from it). But the phone had massive heating issues, the imei went kaput one day and Intel's Indian partner had no idea how to fix any of it. I still have it's dead body.
Talking about Intel phones my parents bought me an Asus Zenfone 2 with the Intel inside banner when I entered college from high school as a gift encouraging me to study harder.
Get that tech super quick! Woop woop 🙌🙌
There's an issue with using an x86 processor instead of an arm one that x86 uses way more power than arm. An Intel or an AMD phone would require way more power, and therefore have a much worse battery life. And also the cooling would need some work too, unless they want to use thermal throttling as their cooling solution lol
Josua Robson This isn’t an inherent issue. It’s really an engineering decision about what to optimise for. Not just for the CPU as a whole but all the little subsections that are reused across the range of products.
Imagine he just said "No" and the rest of the video was sponsorships.
But does it have security flaws in the cpu?!
Intel released mobile versions of their atom lineup, specifically on the Asus zenfone 2, those performed similarly to flagships at that time, but it had heat issues if I remembered it right, also some apps wouldn't work
almost like the first iphone didnt have 3g but all other phones and smartphones at the time had 3g .. and i was in love with my qtek 9000
That's a nice jumper
Another key point is that the x86 architecture was too much bloated with unwanted instructions which would make it very complex and wasn't very power efficient, when compared to the ARM counterparts which had reduced instruction sets and were much more power efficient.
one of the best phone I have ever used was "Lenovo k900" with intel cpu inside..that was a different phone and really a great device overall.
i wonder if you can upgrade it down the line
Ok I opened this video and the fact that his sweater and skin matched made me do a double take to make sure this is PG.
I have an Intel phone from their first attempt at doing mobiles from 14 years ago or so.
But I want a 4k 120hz ultrawide oled phone with a 9900ks and iris graphics rocking 64gb of ram and 4tb of nvme storage, using ax WiFi and 5g.. and I want it to fold and be transparent.
Why not Titan RTX Sli graphics instead of the nonexistent iris graphics in the 9900k.
The add before video has linus in it
Me: wtf the goverment is watching my search history
2:51 James sounded like Linus there for a while.
I loved my Intel San Diego! It was a bit crappy but it was the first phone I bought new so it has a soft spot in my heart.
2:56 the carrier is more powerful chosing sides I see
Intel somehow needs more intel what consumers want, despite it being obvious.
So you could run Linux on that old Intel phone?
I bet James could make a killer Kermit impression.
0:38 WOAH WAIT WHAT THATS LITERALLY MY TOWN’S NAME
no surprise
The title should have been"why Intel doesn't make smartphones"
I had an Intel processor powered phone years ago
because the performance is 100% better than others (for example 2gb ram on intel perform like 12gb ram on normal phones)
Yup the zenphone 2 I still have it somewhere
Ah I thought you were going to just talk about the RAZR i (it was essentially the sister to the RAZR M) which had one of the Medfield chips in it.
I remembered the 1st asus zenfone series using intel cpu. Starting from zenfone 4, 5 & 6. All using intel atom with 1.3ghz, 1.6ghz and 1.86ghz with very affordable price that time in early 2013. Also that year i been using all 3 model until 2015. I like zenfone 6most since it got very large ips screen. The only downside of all this 3 phone is, all the phones got hot very easily. I modded mine with a thermal pad and aluminium foil to reduce the heat.
Cool pulseway ad. Just seen it before this video
I keep getting Pulseway ads with Linus in it whenever I get a LTT-related video, wtf? xD
I used to have Zenfone 5 first gen with Intel CPU inside it, and for performance in that time was well as the other CPU .. But the problem are the phone more easily overheating than the other and also hard to sell it again
When your loosing market share
Intel: Joins the most competitive market in technology
You're.
Losing.
oooaik
With this title I thought it would've been a TechLinked
They tried with the original Asus Zenfones too. They had an Intel atom chip in them. They were well received but something happened and Asus went to Qualcomm
I can still remember the trailer for the intel phone (dont know which one) but it looked interesting. Never really forgot about it but by the time i was upgrading ... The intel phones were gone
Bro Linus good job in the pulse way ad
What do you mean that's strange? I have an ASUS ZenPad P022 or something like that and it shows up in every benchmarking tool that it has an Intel CPU. On CPU-Z it shows a Celeron Logo.
Motorola had a phone using Intel as well, it was the Razr i (XT890).
I had one and it wasn't too bad, specially the browser performance for the time.
But a lot of apps (specially the ones using NDK) didn't work, the price x performance wasn't awesome either.
Wasnt there a Project atom processor compatible with arm software ?
I know Energizer has licensed an official Android phone with a huge battery.
The real lesson here: Stick to what you know.
Anti-security app and actually want in the same sentence? Go home, you're drunk.
The new Nuc seems dope to me plus Clear Linux rocks..
Huawei in the background: **cough cough**
Would love to have an unlocked x86 smartphone that can install linux and doesn't tell google when im taking a dump
Android is a Linux distro...
@@sethadkins546 Technically, yes, but you can't choose which Android version you get, it's up to your vendor. That sucks.
The issue is Google lock up Android with a variety of exclusive contracts. This is one of the problems Intel had. They wanted a variety of Chinese guys making different products with different software options Google wanted the same few with all the Google apps. It means the OS is not normal open source.
I have a Motorola RAZR i XT890 with an Atom CPU. I don't actually use it any more but it is still immaculate.
I will keep asking my pops and grandma if they would really release intel
I want a titanium Lockheed and Martin cell phone, or one made out of the stuff the sr71 is made out of
0:03 Did you touch your face on purpose? -To mock to the whole Corona outbreak thing xD
Some tablets actually have intel Xeon processors I found one selling a while ago, it was really cheap
0:03
James don't touch your face! We love you, and don't want to lose you to Covid-19...
covid 19 has a low death rate.. lowwwww.. so if he got it he'll be fine. He seems healthy
Call the virus by it's correct name!
The CHINESE corona virus...
Or u can call it the Wuhan flu or....
TheCCP'sMismanagementVirus
Your choice..
Sure i guess corona is also acceptable but u know....
Make the ccp loose face over it...
@@Butters_05 not so low and that's no the issue.. the issue is that while a small percentage of people who get the virus die... roughly 10%
are in serious condition and need to be hospitalized...
now while they'd probably survive.. we are talking about overflowing hospitals with huge numbers of people..
The real problem is not the mortality rate but the extreme rate of transmission and....
@@donotlike4anonymus594 it's correct scientific name is covid-19 which stands for Corona virus disease 2019, I have no idea what you're talking about
Covid19 is just another bad flu for young adults. It's nothing. Look at statistics. James would smash Covid19 and so would you Samantha.
You guys should start putting the videos you reference in the description, like you guys have said lots of viewers are on mobile so it would be easier
Intel did make mobile processors in the first half of the 2000s but they underperformed and guzzled battery, the market for such devices was a niche back then so they gave up rather than doubling down. ARM was the only game in town after that
Lets see what happens in about 6 months. Security patches, software issues, compatibility, and wait, can it even make a phone call!!!!
Well they tried with Atom series. My old zenfone 2 had Intel Atom series 😂
I had a Motorola razr I with an Intel processor back in the day and it worked pretty nice, it was a low-mid range reliable phone
There were some atom phones out there for a while too iirc
My Asus Zenfone 2 had an Intel Atom 64 bit and a whopping 1.5 gigs of RAM. It crashed at the simplest tasks and could not multitask whatsoever.