Free Heat from Waste Exhaust Gas Heating Radiator Home Diesel Oil Heater Chinese Mini Central System
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- This is a quick experiment to see if i could heat up a normal radiator with the exhaust gases from this diesel heater heating up a simple home made heat exchanger. i didnt think it would work.. well... it worked, it got nice and hot.
nothing exploded or melted.
this is totally free heat, that would have just gone outside!
please send comments.
• Heating My Home with a... this is the other one that is heating the house.
PUMPING HOT AIR INTO MY HOME
I bought one of these for my garage, and then thought....... I could heat my home with this! So that's exactly what i did! It is working great pumping hot air into my home. It is keeping us nice and warm and super economical.
I have a carbon monoxide detector just in case, but you don't get any fumes indoors at all
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I hope this may help you in some way. Even if it just makes an idea pop up in your head, of how you can heat your home in cheaper way.
Thanks for looking at my videos cheers Andy..... If you can be anything, be Kind.....
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I'm an engineer in the factory that makes those tins. Glad to see end and weld arent leaking 😁
hello my friend. good tin!
yes i expected it to leak.
there is no reason why it should be water tight, but it was perfect.
you did a great job.
kind regards andy
www.youtube.com/@andyfireblade
Hi again Andy, if you wanted to go down the route of heating the water through a heat exchanger for the radiator look into using an EGR cooler from any modern car/van, just pick one the shape and size that suits your needs and their as cheap as chips. On the inside they look like the boiler internals from an old steam engine and are basically an efficient heat exchanger.
great minds think alike.
i have one coming in the post. bought from ebay for £15.
next vid to come, hahaha.
thanks very much for watching and commenting my friend
kind regards andy.
by the way i have a suzuki bandit 1200 at the moment, what have you got?
@@andyfireblade I do engineering/fabrication and repair bikes full time so I've got whatever is in for work during the day, then the workshop turns to the man shed in the evening to invent and modify whatever takes my fancy. There's a few vids up of a couple of past exports. Commandment No1 one from the shed of dread...everything can be improved... lol
I mentioned an erg cooler one of the older videos, I did a closed loop with the water side and limited the flow of water to get the heat I wanted, was a good experiment looking at a heat pump from a fridge compressor next, a quick side project whilst I work on my hydrogen heating system
Hi mate Jan 2024 price is 76p litre for heating oil (based on 500L order) . Where do you source your Kerosene and do you order it in small amounts. Seems we all have these diesel heaters but it seems hard to get at those low prices if we want a lower order. Cheers
Swap the return from the rad to the top instead of the bottom .
More efficient for your set up .Rick
thanks and
thanks for looking.
did you see my other heater videos www.youtube.com/@andyfireblade
cheers andy
This mass of mods for diesel heaters vids is fascinating, yours are particularly easy viewing which is nice. I've been running one for a few months and I'm a complete convert. Previously oil filled 2kw radiators and a 2kw fan heater were used to heat an insulated timber shed workshop, with a lot of hobby machine tools there's a great deal of heat needed to get it up to a nice temp, say 22c, but once there after about 1 1/2 hours starting from 1c what is a 5kw diesel heater becomes too much. As these do not shut down when the thermostat set temp is reached, they just drop to lowest rate, the temp in the shed continues to rise. After say five hours it's 25-26c 'ish and too much. As such, I'm going to get a 2kw version and use that as the temp maintainer. These ideas of heat recovery from the exhaust is on the cards for me too, it nags that all of that serious heat is lost. I'll see what I can come up with.
Keep it up! 😁
thank you my friend
and thanks for watching. we are all making use of what we have , and making the most of it. most of us hate waste (in an engineering way)
the insulation is very important as you have found. i need to insulate my garage.
good luck with yours
kindest regards
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On the internet I found that a Ford Galaxy(2000) EGR is good to retrieve extra heat from the exhaust...
This particular EGR seems to fit nicely to the exhaust of these Chinese diesel heaters.
thats me!
www.youtube.com/@andyfireblade
please see my other little experiments
cheers andy
Andy, I can't stress enough that your exhaust has to pitch down (like plumbing) to drain the condensate in the pipe. Your pipe from the heater is dipping down before the can of water. If water backs up enough, it will enter the combustion chamber and damage the unit. Cheers
Thanks for the tips! cheers
It's too hot in that area for any water buildup.. I had the same heater running on the floor of my room with a 2m exhaust pipe looping around from the bottom then completely vertically to the top of the window to vent out.. never experienced any water buildup or issues for 2 whole winters..
This can be simplified considerably. Run the exhaust pipe completely through the bottom of the radiator from right to left. Seal the radiator after filling with water. There will be no need for a pump or tank, and will cause little to no restriction to the exhaust. The heat will heat the water and circulate happily inside the radiator on its own, as it does in the oil filled electric radiators.
I would have connected the water supply to the radiator top to bottom for even flow across the entire radiator (that way the hot water intake flows across the top channel in the radiator and is then evenly pushed down)
yes thats a good idea.
thanks for watching my friend. please have a look at the other configuration of the radiator in my other videos, if you like
kindest regards andy
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@Jelle you mean the correct way to plum a radiator 👍👍😄 I was thinking the same thing besides increasing the surface of “heat exchanger”
Great video Andy , some real food for thought here. Just thinking how i would do it. I'm thinking long thin header tank to have more exhaust pipe length in it, saves having to loop it in the reservoir / header tank , and a submersible pump going into the rad top and bottom to avoid possible air locks / bleeding issues. But yeah ingenious.
hello my friend
thanks for watching and yes i totally agree. i wanted a long thin metal tin but couldn't find one.
i got this one from a neighbour moments before! haha
great thoughts on the pump.
and yes... its food for thought.
please check out my other vids with this heater, i think you might like the. let me know what you think? heres a link
www.youtube.com/@andyfireblade
cheers andy
I love your silly little experiment . My wife has just spotted my new unit “ what’s that “ !
brilliant. hahaha
i just finished the new version yesterday, if you want to see it.
let me know what you think
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kind regards andy
Try wrapping some asbestos around the initial exit exhaust.
It will be insulated, and you should get a marked improvement on your experiment. :) 👍
(maybe do same with the recirculating copper pipes)......
Thanks for the tips! i am putting a new vid on tomorrow.
it is my most favorite use of this wasted heat energy yet.
using sand and a gas cylinder.
i was amazed
cheers andy
love all your clear videos, but we need temps :)
Yes we do. i will do that on next one
thanks my friend, regards andy
I was thinking of doing very similar to my setup.Then i came across your vlog.Brilliant!
Andy, the return from the radiator to the tank needs to come out the top of the radiator not the bottom. This way it will self bleed and the water flow will heat the radiator more evenly.
So water from the tank to the bottom of the radiator on the left as you have it now and the return from the rad to the tank top right on the radiator.
To improve the heat exchange from the exhaust tube to water lengthen the tank , or make up a tubular exchanger from maybe copper tube, or use an EGR cooler as suggested with a small header tank feeding the loop.
hello tony,
great minds think alike!
i have dont this in a video a couple of days ago!
with a egr heat exchanger.
please take a look and let me know what you think
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kind regards andy
@@andyfireblade Noo! The hot needs to go in the top, if anything. The return needs to come from the bottom - heat rises by convection.
Great video, I love this stuff but I don't have or even need one of these heaters. I was thinking about an air heat exchanger. Just run the entire exhaust pipe inside a larger hose that has room air being passed across it. The exhaust still goes outside, but while inside the house it will be inside a secondary tube.
thats a really good idea. i like it!
cheers andy
did you see my other heater heating my house?
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Great set up, was thinking if the exhaust spilt in the tank you would maybe ruin your heater? Maybe if the tank was lower or heater higher it would eliminate any possible flood into your heater through a spilt exhaust if that happened, this looks best set up I have seen for heat from exhaust though , 👌👍
Thanks for the tip
good idea. its just a quick silly little experiment , but it makes you think about the possibilities?
did you see my other one heating my main house?
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thanks for watching my friend
kind regards andy
Nice attempt,cross flow at opposite ends of the radiator works more efficiently at heat transfer to the radiator. As your current set up, can short cycle the water and only marginally heat the rest using convection
yes, good point my friend
thanks for watching regards andy
That's a good idea. If u could make your own radiator and make the exhaust go threw every part of the radiator by blocking off opposite ends so the smoke will go threw the radiator and let's say down then up then down and up all the way threw the radiator and I bet that thing would be an oven. Anyway Good ideas brother. Keep up the good work and thanks for the tips
thank you for your comment did you see my other heater vids, www.youtube.com/@andyfireblade let me know what you think, cheers andy
😁great idea capturing the exhaust gas heat....maybe it would be more effective and efficient if you just make a big coil of exhaust tube rather than a wet system, so no need for tin of water or pump or electricity or radiator. That way the big coil exhaust tube would work as your radiator. You will know if you have extracted all the heat from exhaust when you feel the pipe outside is cool.
good idea thanks
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Just route the exhaust to the bottom left hand fitting and vent to atmosphere on the top right hand side of the radiator. No losses!
You should raise your heater to eliminate the upward angle of your exhaust pipe, Your exhaust should have a continuouse downward slope so no condensation builds up in the exhaust system. The way you have it it will defiantly build carbon and restrict your exhaust over time.good video and info. Thanks from Canada
thanks
kind regards andy
www.youtube.com/@andyfireblade
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Super nice idea,andy.looks great,,actually i think it would be possible to supply other rooms on exhaust with extra long insulated copper pipes,thanks for sharing. From a,, dane,,
thank you my friend
yes , this was just a silly little experiment. but there are possibilities ?
and yes using copper and insulation and a nice insulated sealed tank.
kind regards andy
Mate that seems an overly complicated way to do it, all I've done is wind a copper tube around the exhaust wrap it with tinfoil then exhaust wrap to keep the heat in. Pipe this through a little pump straight through the rad.
This gets the rad red hot very quickly and is really efficient. You're wasting loads of heat with all that pipe.
Or as others have said get a small heat exchanger, the pipe wrap I did works the same.
What I’ve done with mine is I’ve run the exhaust through some concrete with two copper pipes either side to try to recover the heat seems to be working well
great, thanks for watching
did you see my other couple of vids. using the exhaust gas slightly differently?
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cheers andy
Interesting idea for a tin can!!!
You could increase the heat transfer to the water by insulating the exhaust pipe between the tin can and the heater's exhaust (quick improvement). Another improvement could be to make an "S" with the exhaust pipe inside the tin tank (more work required). In any case, you may want to reposition your heater higher to prevent the exhaust forming "U" shapes, as condensation may accumulate which would accelerate corrosion from inside the exhaust pipe/affect the heater's normal combustion.
great,
thank you for your comment did you see my other heater vids, www.youtube.com/@andyfireblade let me know what you think, cheers andy
That’s a mess waiting to happen. Sweet concept and prototype. 🤘
yes, just experimenting. using water is one of the best ways to use the heat from the exhaust.
did you see my other vids?
let me know what you think?
cheers andy
“Handy Andy” Super ideas!
Glad you like them! cheers andy
Or wrap copper pipe around the exhaust pipe, 2ft should do. As you achieve higher temps, you need a hydronic pressure relief at the top of the circuit.
i did a similar thing, please see it in my other videos
cheers andy
I’ve been watching intently mate, your videos are great, down to earth and detailed. I love the experiments, it’s how we learn. Some valid points already mentioned, I believe you’d be better setting the radiator return valve in the top right, it will reduce air in the rad. Could you snake the exhaust pipe in the water bath giving it more time to transfer its heat to the water? Be careful of your exhaust length and diameter, the combustion gases need to escape before cooling or you may end up coking up the blower.
I shall be trying out some similar experiments myself from next month.
P.s., just seen your bucket one, snake the pipe like that.
great thanks for your great commets and for watching. yes the exhaust could have done with more in the water as the exit exhaust was still hot, wasted heat. and would have put is as close to the machine as poss. good luck with yours my friend
regards andy
great, yes the u bends are a mistake. too much unnecessary resistance for the gases .
cheers andy
🤔This one would have better results with sand instead of coffee container instead of water in the container for the thermal battery and copper coil for the water and pump to pump through to the radiator 🌐✌👍👍👍
May I suggest you put your output from the eater into the bottom of the radiator and the output out through the wall and use the heat to heat the radiator!!
hello bob thanks for looking in . i have done exactly this in one of my other vids. please take a look if you like. let me know what you think?
www.youtube.com/@andyfireblade
kind regards andy
Enjoying your videos. If you reverse you containers. Put the radiator on top. You could run a line to the topof the radiator from the top of your water heater.And the opposite on the other side.Out of the bottom of the radiator to the bottom of your heating pot. Could you eliminate the pump?cold water drops and hot water rises i would think would work.And oil will hold heat better as well as keep from rusting out.
Great idea, thanks andy
You might be able to wrap exhaust insulating tape around the hot exhaust line that exits on the pump side of the reservoir, binding it together with the copper line, and produce additional heat exchange before the water enters the radiator, then that would be a very basic second stage heat exchanger.
Great idea, yes some exhaust wrap would save a lot of heat loss.
thanks , and thanks for looking
did your see my other heater videos
www.youtube.com/@andyfireblade
let me know what you think
cheers andy
you should use mutliple smaller tubes through the inside of the can instead of one large tube to give more heat in the water .....basically creating a heat exchanger your idea otherwise is very good.
Thanks for the tip!
thats a good idea
kindest regards andy
Got to be careful as its a free flow exhaust too many bends or reduction in diameter or being too long will cause back pressure in the burn chamber. The manufacturers recommend the maximum length of the exhaust as 2 meters tho I expect they are erring on the safe side.
@@bobp6742 thats good to know.
thanks for that
kind regards andy
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Maybe too restrictive
Deffo would not reduce the size of the exhaust pipe. Much better to increase it. The exhaust latent heat would be better distributed by a fan blowing over it.
Great idea, just have a few tips to consider, I'd use a smaller tank and the least amount of water needed to keep enough return flow needed to heat, hence heats rad faster. I'd keep the heater exhaust pipe as near to tank and lag/insulate everything. You could add a pipe start that would switch off the pump when the tank heats up. Great job
Thanks for the tips!
yes. i wanted a smaller longer tank but i could find one.
i have got a heat exchanger coming in the post from a car.
that i am going to use, hopefully today.
i have got another couple of different ways that i have used the exhaust heat from the heater, if you would like to see them. and tell me what you think?
heres a link: ua-cam.com/channels/3sYHaAZtJI-vrD64K7Qe9w.html
kindest regards andy
If you use too small a tank and turn the pump off you risk boiling the tank dry which may cause issues 🤔
@@Dirt-Diggler that is the purpose of a pipe Stat, it runs when the water temp climbs, stops when the water temp drops, ie, when the diesel heater is off. In all heating systems you have to factor in evaporation and a way to top up a system. Hardly needed here when all you have to do is look at the level and top up as required.
Had written it wrong in my previous post, hands up
@@Dirt-Diggler hello my friend
please see the new setup. it worked really well
please take a look at the latest version, just finished this afternoon.
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please let me know what you think
kind regards andy
Interesting experiment, i had an idea of putting the exhaust into a truck stack exhaust of larger diameter! theory is, hot gases want to naturally go up, and by putting into larger pipe, it slows the gases down giving longer time to exchange the heat before exhausting high level to outside.. hope that makes sense.. a verticle flu/ radiator..
Interesting! great idea
kind regards andy
The exhaust that comes with these heaters has to be level or slightly sloping down. Reason is they create moisture which, if able to collect, becomes acidic. If you look at the exhaust that comes with these units you'll see that there is a small hole at the bottom of the exhaust, this has to be facing downwards for this reason. If you were to put it in a large diameter pipe facing upwards the heat would dissipate in to the pipe and any acidic condensation would collect at the bottom. You could add some sort of collection bleed valve to drain it off.
Tilt a little the water canister to prevent condensation to accumulate in the exhaust tubing. Let it flow out.
thank you for your comment , i will do that.
did you see my other heater vids, www.youtube.com/@andyfireblade let me know what you think, cheers andy
@@andyfireblade Thanks, I will check these
Waste heat in exhaust shouldn’t be sent to heat the great outdoors, I agree!
Maybe direct the hot air toward the radiator to help it warm up faster from both the direct and waste exhaust heat?
Or have more of the exhaust pipe in contact with water, or both. (The EGR cooler idea is 👍🏻)
Or skip the water entirely and just circulate more air past the exhaust pipe - 12v fans from computers could easily replace the pump.
hello my friend,
great minds think alike!
i have dont this in a video a couple of days ago!
with a egr heat exchanger.
please take a look and let me know what you think
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kind regards andy
wonderful and DIY doable!
thank you my friend
regards andy
please take a look at a couple more vids of very similar info.
www.youtube.com/@andyfireblade
i'd have coiled the exhaust tube in copper tubing for about 3 foot length or more and wrap it in insulation tape. longer and more surface area for the heat transfer.
thanks andy
I would say the exaust will fill with condensation,it needs to be angled down
So easiest i guess to lift the diesel heater higher
good idea, thanks
Interesting ideas, grab a cheap infra red thermometer for the next one so we can see the actual temps increase?
ok, thanks for your comment and for watching,
kind regards andy
Love the improved DIY adaptations Andy. And I must admit I thought that the length of pipe actually in contact with the water would be a bit too short to get enough surface area to practically heat the water up much (and also having to be a reasonable distance away from the really hot part of the exhaust). Anyway you soon put paid to that. Agree that epoxy is very handy.
Diesel seems quite a bit cheaper than kero here in Australia but interested to know if you noticed any difference at all between the fuels ? Either in the way the heater operates generally such as time to start up etc but especially the heat ouput ? I'm guessing they would put out fairly similar heat levels but maybe the kero burns a little hotter/efficiently than diesel ?
hello my friend
thanks for watching and your comments. good points. yes the rest of the exhaust was still very hot and closer would be better.
and you are exactly right about the fuels!
i love the 2 pack epoxy, it still gets even harder, the next day. it is like stone. i have had many great results with it.
have a fantastic day regards andy
Loved it my thoughts hot water rises naturally so the radiator might work better if it was higher than the tank of water. With that in mind would colder water fall to the bottom. Old coal fireplaces used to heat a tank of water behind the fire and the hot water rose up the copper pipe into the water tank upstairs.??
hello my friend
, great comment. yes, thats common sense.
them old fireplaces were great.
did you see my other vids of the heater
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please take a look and let me know what you think?
kind regards andy
@@andyfireblade yes I like the heat exchanger pretty good bud
@@lawrencedeans1433 thank you my friend, tomorrow i am doing a new experiment using the heat exchanger to give hot water for free.
got it all set up. video it tom.
please take a look at it and let me know what you think
kind regards andy
If I see something like this, situation must be really desperate. If you want to heat water, why dont you use water heating unit. Oh yes, because it would be more efficient and that would be stupid thing to do. Plug the radiator directly to the exhaust and you will get much better results (if you want extract exhaust heat). It will double as silencer/heater and it will reduce the the power consumption needed to run the pump....stop over complicate things. Btw, if you condensate the fumes, you will get mild sulfuric acid out of burning oils/diesel. That is why, the exhaust is kept hot by design, to avoid condensation at close proximity of the device and avoid degradation of surrounding environment.
thanks for watching and for your comment
regards andy
Another great vlog pal 😉😉😉😉 put the exhaust outlet higher up preferably above the last outlet hot air air hates being pushed down hill
Thanks for the tip , thats interesting. didnt think about that. hot air rises of coarse.
we are all constantly learning from great comms like this.
kind regards andy
I’d love to see someone test a chinese Eberspächer type hydronic heater. They have a cast aluminium mantle over the reactor with built in fluid lines that can be fed to the radiator. Would be a neat install when paired with an EGR for the exhaust heat, an a silent and efficient water pump. The air fan is the weak spot in these Chinese air heaters in my opinion, gives off noise and if it breaks the ECB will melt due to residual heat. All liquid heat transfer is the best option, especially if one already has a radiator..
yes those heaters are half way there with the pipes. i might get one
cheers andy
Try putting the heater under the radiator, convection should circulate the water without a pump. My old gas boiler would heat the cylinder on the 1st floor just through convection alone
well actually, this happened!
the next day after the experiment, i just put the heater on while i was in the garage. and i felt the radiator and it had got really hot, without the pump. good comment, thanks for watching. did you see my other experiments with the heater?
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kind regards andy
With that corrugated pipe heat exchanger you need it to be way longer. 4 feet would probably work. I would set it vertical so the condensation wont build up in the pipe and you have natural convection.
good comment
thanks for looking regards andy
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Change the left hose of the radiator to the top port to get better circulation of the hot water.
yes i agree.
cheers andy
you wil get more heat if you change the return pipe to the top of the radiator, and if you insulate the pipe to the tank and make a loop in the tank with the pipe in the tank it wil get hotter even faster becuase you get more survise to disapate the heat to the water.
thank you my friend
regards andy
did you see my other heater , heating the house?
www.youtube.com/@andyfireblade
i got a unit similar to yours, except mine is red, and same controller 😆
i think i will try your setup i the coming weekend.
mine is now setup indore, with the exhaust going in to the chimney, and insulteret with rockwool, the draft i the chimney is enough that it sucks the gasses away.
works perfekt
might use your setup to heat the room next door, making it to for one 😉heating one room for "free"
best regards from another Dane 😀
your setup sound great , and good luck with this new project.
thanks a lot for watching and its great to hear from you.
let me know how you get on.
kindest regards andy
That’s a great idea hats off to you.
Best of luck, Cheers 🍺
I like the idea 👍
Glad you like it
It'll make a massive difference if you zig zag the pipe as much as possible inside the container of water to get as much surface area heating the water as possible, or drill 2 small holes in the exhaust one near the diesel heater itself and another a meter or so down the exhaust pipe then run the copper pipe inside the exhaust so the copper pipe will then be super heated by the exhaust gasses use the expoxy to seal it ect run the pipe directly to the water pump removing the need for a water container. I think the zig zag method will work best
hello carl, thanks for the great ideas!
have you seen my latest version of this?
i used a heat exxhanger from a car to heat the water.
please take a look and let me know what you think?
www.youtube.com/@andyfireblade
kind regards andy
Id like to see you run the exhaust through the cast iron radiator and out.
i will look out for one, and do it, cheers andy
Buy a plate heat exchanger and wrap your exhaust pipe with fiberglass wrap
Brilliant videos. Unfortunately I live in the city. So my question to you or to anyone else is. Is it possible to convert or connect the heater to heat the water in my radiators of my house. If anyone knows how this can be done, please make a video to let us all know. Many thanks.
hello my friend
yes, please see the video where i use a heat exchanger from a car, to heat the water. and then you can pump the water safely and efficiently around normal home rads
cheers andy
Longer the exhaust the harder the fan and barings have to work to push the hot gas out.
yes , good point.
thanks for your comment andy
like what your doing, would help spread the heat out over bigger area, (pipe lagging all over the place, make something like heater unit the OLD classic VW Beetle, where its like full jacket but full with the water, that goes a load a large section of the exhaust pipe, maybe also, scale up the size the exhaust pipe, to help air flow slow it down abit, get more heat out, unless the fast escaping is blowing chimney dust out and away, (escaping engine fumes), put the pipe in more up, down arrangement like a chimney the high the better, (heat rises) so as it rises, it will be sucking more gases with it? making negative presser on the pipe, if there is a leak, it will be more likely suck in air as appose, letting gas's out? (also get Carbon Monoxide alarm too, there cheap, and if it got display, you will see what leak out if any too)
hello my friend
thanks you and thanks for watching.
great tips.
chimney is a good idea.
kindest regards andy
@@andyfireblade I been watch it strange heaters for while, they seem to run on anything, and the one that say it get block up 2 years running waist oil, and needs a clean, have you had to do maintenance clearing yet,
been thinking about a bit more, your coffee tin, in essence a electric night storage heater, the bigger tank the more heat that could be stored, for when main heat switch off, nor my subject,
but ready made, part could house hold, central heating hot water tank, all lagged the same, and use the waste gas heat instead of water, even if it takes all day heat up, and run that heat down while Chinese heat thing has a rest in the night, and start in the morning, rinse and repeat,
@@dh2032 great yes.
i havent had to clean mine out yet. am running it on kerosene. nice clean burn. no soot.
a bigger tank would be better or a bigger radiator. or 2 or 3 radiators.
i am doing a another test now for the heater. i will upload the vid later on
thanks for watching my friend
regards andy
You connected the radiator wrong mate. It should be in and out opposite side top and bottom.
But i love this experiment!! Would very much like to follow as you tweak this into perfection !
yes that would be better, your way!
thanks for watching.
kindest regards andy
Or just close the outlet valve a fair bit to force the water to fill the rad, same as you would with your radiators in the house
Funny subliminal ad for Nescafe hot drink mix. Now I want to get some hot chocolate drink. Funny how your brain works.
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The exhaust gas can't part with all its heat in such a single short run of submerged pipe. It should be split into several individual coils running through the water. This slows down the gas, giving it more time to lose its heat. Also, it wont add restriction to the gas flow.
hello brian
thanks for your comments, but i need you to see the new version, just done this afternoon!
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please let me know what you think
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Love these videos mate watching from chicago Illinois
Glad you like them!
thanks so much for watching
kindest regards andy
You had some heat exchanger for the exhaust gases experiment, do you have a full video regarding that, also using the IR thermometer? That should work so much better. If you have the end pipe running at about 30-45°C then it's doing some proper heat exchange and transfer that into your radiator.
hello johnny
this is the heat exchanger one
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there are some more of the heat exchanger here as well
www.youtube.com/@andyfireblade
cheers andy
nice bike, i just watched it. i have a bandit 1200 now
cheers andy
Water is a product of combustion. Your exhaust pipe has a low point in the start of the tube. Over time you will have a waterlock preventing the exhaust gases from leaving the tube
please take a look at the latest version, just finished this afternoon.
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please let me know what you think
kind regards andy
I also forgot to say, I saw someone on UA-cam put thd exhaust straight into the bottom of a dry radiator and pipe out the top opposite corner. It does need a condensate drain though.
hello ricky, i have done this in one of my vids.
and now i am using a heat exchanger from a ford galaxy car.
please take a look in my vids here if you like?
let me know what you think?
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kind regards andy
I couldn't come up with 20 squid but they accepted 13 clams, 6 cuttlefish and an octopus for the power supply
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straight through the cheap radiator makes more scene. the corrosive gasses will get to it eventually in a few years but based on your energy princesses it will probably more than pay for itself.. I always question the outdoor unit blowing into your house. you would see a large efficiency gain from recirculating the indoor air rather than always blowing in fresh air... your buildings in Europe are normally not very air tight and poorly insolated to begin with. so recirculating the air seems paramount. in the US heating with diesel is very expensive more so than electric heat I imagine even more so where you are at.. you need to chase maximum efficiency.
hello my friend
thanks for your comments,
i would love you to see the latest version of this, only finished yesterday. ua-cam.com/video/wScN6uoYF4Y/v-deo.html
kind regards andy
@andyfireblade I appreciate your testing. That vmset up in the video with the stainless heat exchanger will absolutely make your radiator last much longer. I suppose the question is are you happy with the amount of energy recovered from the exsaust in that set up or is routing the exsaust through the radiator better? The gasses are absolutely corrosive. But those radiators are thick in nature and especially In your area cheap. So they will likely stand up to it quite well for a few years.
I would be Interested to see you use that same heat exchanger and pump routed through a 140mm PC radiator on the intake of your heater routed directly into your home.
The condensation comeing out of your heaters exsaust is a byproduct of combustion. Fire makes water. Unfortunately if that water is acidic. If that water is condensed in something that will be damaged by acid .. well it will be damaged slowly.
In a home furnace they try to keep the exsaust hot enough so that the water does not condense out of the exsaust until it's away from the equipment they would like to protect. But that is additional wasted heat. They are also targeting about 20 years of service. You can capture More heat via a stainless and therfor acid resistant equipment or accept a reduced service life.
Might be worth coiling 8mm copper pipe around a good length of the exhaust and run the water through the 8mm copper pipe into the radiator using the pump.
great minds think alike, i did just that.
and a couple more, including my latest version that i did yesterday.
please take a look here is a link: ua-cam.com/channels/3sYHaAZtJI-vrD64K7Qe9w.html
please let me know what you think
regards andy
If you lag the exhaust with heat proof tape the water will heat more quickly.
good idea
thanks for watching did you see the latest version.
heres a link if you would like to.
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kind regard andy
Good idear, i suppose you could metal tie-rap the exhaust pipe to the radiator in let pipe to give you even more heat to the radiator. Not sure when the water get too hot, how to stop the water boiling
thats a good idea.
did you see my other one?
here is a link
www.youtube.com/@andyfireblade
cheers andy
Pipe thermostat
How hot is the exhaust after the tank? If it's still hot obviously efficiency can be improved to scavenge the heat.
What I thought of doing and suggested to you previously is a similar set-up to this but basically with a tap on the tank also so free hot water for say washing of dirty hands or whatever in the garage or home. Obviously if the water needs to be clean for say washing the dishes the pipe that runs through the tank would be copper.
Very interesting videos
thanks a lot my friend, and thanks for watching.
the exhaust was still hot after the tank. yes that would be a good idea for washing hands in the garage. i was going to get some copper pipe, but then i saw the price....
kind regards andy
Looks a great idea that 👍🏻👍🏻
thanks my friend
did you see my other one, heating the house?
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cheers andy
Raise the heater a bit so the condensation runs out side. I had thought about running it through a cheep plate heat exchanger
good idea
thanks andy
Hi Andy, well done - great vids, can you add the link for the extra long exhaust pipe pls.
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thank you my friend
kind regards andy
Very nice
Thanks
kind regards andy
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Hey, please use some image stabilisation for the video, the shaking is a bit unpleasant to watch 🙂 Also: What if I pump the exhaust gasses directly through the radiator? Inlet: on the top, outlet: bottom far end of the radiator
Thanks for the tip, i did this on another video, please click on my user name andyfireblade where you can see my other videos
cheers andy
Could you use like a car radiator running exhauset gasses instead of water through the radiator ?
that a really good idea! and with the fan as well?
thanks my friend
did you see my other heater, heating the house?
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kind regards andy
@@andyfireblade A slow running fan maybe. Hopefully it helps. Now I have to subscribe to see if you are going to test it lol.
@@BrainHurricanes hahhaah cheers andy
@@BrainHurricanes brilliant
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Just use heat exchanger or what we call EGR to get the 90% heat of the exhaust
i have done this in my latest video. please take a look at it.
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kind regards andy
Could you attach loads of heat dissipating plates onto the exhaust, like motorcycle engine fins?
hello my friend
thanks for your comment.
but you really need to see this!
the new version.
just done this afternoon.
ua-cam.com/video/wScN6uoYF4Y/v-deo.html
please let me know what you think
kind regards andy
Hi Any, great vid. Has anyone suggested wrapping your exhaust pipe with motorbike exhaust tape? This will send all its heat to the header tank?And a lid on the tank?
hello my friend yes good comments.
i have a new version, it is loads better!
i would love it if you see it.
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please let me know what you think
kind regards andy
If you want the tin to boil consider insulating it, right now it's already a radiator in itself, which would negates the purpose of insulating it
please take a look at the latest version, just finished this afternoon.
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please let me know what you think
kind regards andy
@12:10 Me too buddy - me too! =)
cheers.
thank you for your comment did you see my other heater vids, www.youtube.com/@andyfireblade let me know what you think, cheers andy
Hi, you could of ran the exhaust directly through your radiator instead ou using a pump and water.
hello my friend
great minds think alike, i did exactly that in my next video.
please take a look at what happens?
kind regards andy
heres a link
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Great video. Out of interest where are you getting your Kerosene from? I'm in brum as well
www.gbfuel.co.uk/
its is in erdington.
kind regards andy
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The setup is good for testing but for longtime use you need to make some serious changes bro...
yes, defiantly. i hope you enjoyed it.
cheers andy
ive being doing similar experiments an find low exhaust creates to much back pressure when low down
thanks andy
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@@andyfireblade seen all already pal 😉😉
I think you need more of the exhaust pipe to be passing through the water,it looks like you are still losing a lot of heat
hello my riend
thanks for watching and your comment.
please take a look at my latest video of the new system, its much better, using a car heat exchanger egr
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kind regards andy
nice set up.try Putting the water return at the top of the rad so the water will pump through it.not just across the bottom .
thank you!
Great idea, i didnt think of that.
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The key to all the variations is what is the temp of the exhaust outlet. The lowest temp is the best design...So why did you not show the exit temp?
hello my friend
yes, that would be the best way to prove that we have scavenged the most heat.
thanks you and thanks for watching.
kindest regards andy
Can I use stainless pipe for my air outlet rather than one pip supplied
Yes, absolutely that would be great
You're overcomplicating it Andy, do as three others have said and run the hot gasses into the top of the rad and take out the opposite bottom connection straight out of the wall to the outside.
hello my friend
yes good comment.
thanks you and thanks for watching.
kindest regards andy
Get yourself a meter for reading CO and CO2 and monitor the environment you’re in. My guess is that any heat you may extract from a poorly designed exhaust system will be rapidly lost through infiltration in that space.
hello my friend
thanks for looking.
i have a monitor.
i just finished the new version yesterday, if you want to see it.
let me know what you think
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kind regards andy
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Will look!👍
Why not take a old cars copper radiator and modifie it so the exhaust runs down the modified bottom so u have a copper radiator and u place a small electric fan behind it that kicks in and off at a certain temp so it only blows wenn the radiator is warm enough....
Or take a copper cars heater core and place that under water and push the gasses though that thats loads more efficient then 1 relative big hot tube.
Or get a custom aluminum intercooler made where the exhaust gasses flow trough and then u place a fan on the intercooler.
thank you for your comment did you see my other heater vids, www.youtube.com/@andyfireblade let me know what you think, cheers andy
plug the return line from the radiator into the top right instead of the bottom right, you might encourage a bit more flow through it that way, mate. :-)
Good tip!
thanks mate and thanks for watching.
have a great evening regards andy
the link for Long flexy exhaust pipe: = Diesel Heater
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Look on ebay for an old egr cooler do the same as you have usingunh the cooler as a heat exchange unit
hello my friend
i have used a cooler in another vid, please take a look and let me know what you think, cheers andy
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Surely if you made.a.long, winding exhaust pipe, you would get air heating from the pipe as the exhausts gasses passed through it.
hello my friend
i tried something similar in another vid. please take a look if you like?
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kindest regards andy