Moab Rocks Are Hard On Parts

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  • Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
  • Shawn and I ran up on to Steelbender Trail to weld a control arm back together on a SxS. We were sure we could fix it, but brought the recovery trailer just in case. Once there we picked up the rear of the rig. Got it all put back in place and welded some washers on the control arm for the bolt to stay in place. Once fixed they drove it out for repairs at a shop. Then Mike and I ran up on top of the San Rafeal Swell to pull a sprinter van out. We got almost to them and someone had come along and pulled them out, so instead we decided to go sightseeing. Thank you everyone for watching and supporting us.
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  • @nathanzufelt3164
    @nathanzufelt3164 19 днів тому +400

    New t shirt idea "STAY ON THE TRAIL OR STAY HOME!"

    • @toddhoffmaster6057
      @toddhoffmaster6057 19 днів тому +10

      Were these rentals and the operators did not know any better? Or were these the typical sxs operator and just not care?

    • @w9jim
      @w9jim 19 днів тому +11

      Someone REALLY needs to make that!

    • @jterpenning
      @jterpenning 19 днів тому +14

      Second that. I'd buy it.

    • @Jshel2009
      @Jshel2009 19 днів тому +8

      I want one.

    • @MustardTiger95
      @MustardTiger95 19 днів тому +15

      Buddy of mine says "STAY THE TRAIL OR GO TO JAIL" and honestly it's gotten to a point where that should be a thing.

  • @ev2512
    @ev2512 19 днів тому +99

    I think I’ve said this before but the advocacy that Rory does for the outdoors through his actions and vocal support of cleaning up trash and trail awareness is awesome. I hope the community follows suit. Thank you

    • @thomasleonard9685
      @thomasleonard9685 19 днів тому +8

      100% truth. That’s why I liked the wrecked gear UA-cam stuff - every episode they emphasize cleaning up your trash, my trash, and their trash. We need to keep trails clean. If you have to dump stuff out, do it in big cities - they live that stuff

    • @1WZRD
      @1WZRD 19 днів тому +11

      Tread Lighly

    • @fluke196c
      @fluke196c 17 днів тому

      the morons who want to close trails are treehugger types who dont want any offroad, never mind responsible offroad,

  • @Kentucky4runner
    @Kentucky4runner 19 днів тому +54

    My kids heard the no, no, no and thought I was yelling at the dog-the dad raised voice to stop something dumb is pretty universal!

  • @benjaminreinhardt259
    @benjaminreinhardt259 18 днів тому +14

    I always enjoy the 'NO, NO, NO, NO!!' when someone does something dumb and they just aren't hearing you. Sorry to say I have been the recipient of such instruction my own self once or twice. LOL.

  • @jmo2640
    @jmo2640 19 днів тому +52

    Remember the days in Moab before side by sides? Oh the good old days!

    • @williamwilliamson1096
      @williamwilliamson1096 19 днів тому +4

      Remember the days when you didn't rent a 2wd and rock crawl it?

    • @ephjay6t87
      @ephjay6t87 19 днів тому +3

      I also miss EJS 2020 edition. Lockdown was bliss.

    • @jeffclark2725
      @jeffclark2725 19 днів тому +4

      How did VW Baja bugs do on the back roads there, years ago

    • @ephjay6t87
      @ephjay6t87 19 днів тому +2

      @@jeffclark2725 I drove my Baja on nearly every trail around here. Some of my best memories.

    • @doughaven-rf8id
      @doughaven-rf8id 19 днів тому +3

      Job security for Trail Mater. lol

  • @bobbolieu9013
    @bobbolieu9013 17 днів тому +6

    My favorite part of this video, besides the magnificent country, is Rory's admonition, "Stay On The Trail Or Stay Home".

  • @tlrfun3
    @tlrfun3 19 днів тому +138

    I think Rory said NO in this video. Anyone else hear him 😂😂😂😂

    • @somebodyelse836
      @somebodyelse836 19 днів тому +14

      That's how my parents spoke to me, so I may be a little tone deaf to that

    • @shawnmason5290
      @shawnmason5290 19 днів тому +25

      Rory is trying to keep our country OPEN!!!!

    • @joshbuck5877
      @joshbuck5877 19 днів тому +11

      Loud and clear 😂 😂😂

    • @f87115
      @f87115 19 днів тому +17

      Sometimes you gotta raise ya voice to avoid issues ❤

    • @user-qr1dw3pn5h
      @user-qr1dw3pn5h 19 днів тому +16

      He even said it in Spanish

  • @jeepin4on4
    @jeepin4on4 15 днів тому +3

    OMG Mike...lmao!!! Love Trail Mater Rory! Thanks for sharing guys.

  • @IndridCool54
    @IndridCool54 19 днів тому +33

    Looking at that sxs compared to Mater I’m reminded of the old trash bag commercial… “wimpy, wimpy, wimpy… HEFTY, HEFTY, HEFTY!” 😂 Another great video!

    • @EatDrinkBeMerry
      @EatDrinkBeMerry 19 днів тому +3

      GenX representing!

    • @IndridCool54
      @IndridCool54 19 днів тому +1

      @@EatDrinkBeMerry Ahhh, but do you know the commercial? 😂👍🏼👍🏼✌🏼

  • @jamesbigham9036
    @jamesbigham9036 19 днів тому +21

    Rory have you thought about putting the phrase Stay on the Trail or stay home on your merch? I love the saying and very true words in every way

  • @Elden_Lean
    @Elden_Lean 19 днів тому +35

    Mike is, indeed, a great cameraman, and according to the Mike and Shawn Show (the channel) he always loves working on vehicles. We can't all be great at everything.

    • @idontknow2293
      @idontknow2293 19 днів тому +4

      If it wasn't for Mike the camera man we wouldn't be able to see the awesomeness of Utah. I'm planning to go there this year and hope to meet the trailmater team and others. MORR, ROBBY, and FAB RATS, ETC,ETC,ETC. 😅

  • @deereboy8400
    @deereboy8400 14 днів тому +3

    Heck, Mike is 1/3 of the reason I watch this channel.

    • @fredfred4086
      @fredfred4086 8 днів тому +1

      Only 1/3? He's 2/6 of the reason I watch! 😃

  • @davebenson1504
    @davebenson1504 19 днів тому +43

    "Stay on the trail or stay home!" Love it!🤩... That looked like a cute little golf course buggy 😂 "Bad driving makes for good video"... let everyone do what they do best! You guys are a great balanced team! 🤩 WOW... your client was gone... that really sucks! 🤨 Thanks for sharing... and the rock art is beautiful 🙂

    • @888johnmac
      @888johnmac 19 днів тому +3

      lol , my local Mall has a few exactly like these to collect stray shopping carts

    • @jeffclark2725
      @jeffclark2725 19 днів тому +1

      Yea,and he gets it patched together and starts hammering on the little thing again, didn't look for an easy line to go

  • @doughaven-rf8id
    @doughaven-rf8id 19 днів тому +12

    Rory, Shawn and Mike ... The Boys of Moab, always providing great entertainment !

  • @johnnykirkland611
    @johnnykirkland611 19 днів тому +17

    Hey Trailmater team I got my new Diamond Billed Rock Pecker shirt and it's awesome Thanks

  • @rockabillychavez
    @rockabillychavez 19 днів тому +8

    Stay in the trail or stay home..
    Well said, Rory! New t-shirt!!

  • @Meltzmaen
    @Meltzmaen 18 днів тому +4

    Yeez, shouting Rory makes me hide in my office chair. But i love the mindset and integrity! Keep it up, maybe some people might get it some day. Thanks!

  • @AeroGuy07
    @AeroGuy07 17 днів тому +2

    The driving with Mike portion of the video gave me flashbacks to when I was teaching my daughter how to drive. "Go! GO FASTER!"

  • @LaDonnashielded-kc7zm
    @LaDonnashielded-kc7zm 19 днів тому +19

    Awesome another from Rory, Shawn, and Mike. Thank you💚❣️ And Rory saving the day in more ways than one!

  • @marcusalancate1782
    @marcusalancate1782 15 днів тому +2

    Mike's driving has the SAR motto...."So that others may live." 😅

  • @johnkirby6547
    @johnkirby6547 18 днів тому +2

    Mike is a great camera man and story teller! Cudos to Rory for calling out the guy going off the trail.. Definitely a t shirt saying.. Stay on the trail or stay home.

  • @geraldh.6686
    @geraldh.6686 19 днів тому +14

    That side by side looks like it will tip six different directions

    • @jaynecobb3701
      @jaynecobb3701 19 днів тому +6

      That is why it is called a side by side. It will tip on all six sides.

    • @steveclark4291
      @steveclark4291 19 днів тому +3

      ​@@jaynecobb3701 😅😅😅😅

  • @MichaelMaxim-ft5sv
    @MichaelMaxim-ft5sv 18 днів тому +5

    Great scenery and recoverys...Mike shots filming are epic

  • @steveclark4291
    @steveclark4291 19 днів тому +12

    Thank you Rory and crew for the adventure , seeing some amazing scenery especially the petroglyphies !

  • @dustinmalone4707
    @dustinmalone4707 19 днів тому +10

    I'm glad you got the pictographs, so cool. Thanks for sharing Trail Mater team👍

  • @MC-re2ry
    @MC-re2ry 19 днів тому +3

    Thanks again! Take this old Iowan places I would never get to otherwise. Appreciate that.

  • @cweenmjory6358
    @cweenmjory6358 19 днів тому +4

    A perfect video -- gorgeous scenery, a trail repair, a comedic interlude, and some ancient rock art. Thanks for everything.

  • @Steve-od6hi
    @Steve-od6hi 19 днів тому +9

    anyone who had the sense to call you should know that you would always show up. Or at the least notify you it the situation changed. there should be a minimum charge of some sort right up front. Not too big and dependent on approximate distance to the tow or fix. Returned if they notify you ahead of the time of your departure to them. It would really suck to lose all the time spent when you could have been taking care of the next job on the list, especially for that customers sake. As usual thanks a lot for the video.

    • @KarlEller
      @KarlEller 19 днів тому

      I don't blame the customer, I will always take the help of someone who is there over someone who is on their way, but it is also a great example of why tow companies do (or should) get pre-payment before they head out. Nobody wants to drive for 4+ hours for nothing.

  • @rarelyright
    @rarelyright 18 днів тому +3

    Love when Rory lets the anger out, Only wish Mike had been there to say something snarky

  • @detpackZ
    @detpackZ 19 днів тому +12

    🎉 perfect timing for a lunch time viewing.

  • @Keinandrew3
    @Keinandrew3 19 днів тому +3

    Wow thanks for showing us that ancient writing that was awesome

  • @grannyt6819
    @grannyt6819 19 днів тому +2

    Your creative repair skills are second to none. I'm impressed every time. I learn so much. I used to do a lot of repairs on my vehicles. It is not easy with off the shelf parts, nevermind making your own.
    Another beautiful scenic drive.

  • @XxggxX8
    @XxggxX8 19 днів тому +4

    Favorite Channel by far 🎉

  • @leobuchwieser1203
    @leobuchwieser1203 19 днів тому +6

    the mix of offroading/towing skill, sound and great scenery always gets me.
    Keep it up, greetings from Germany!

  • @davidalcott2278
    @davidalcott2278 19 днів тому +3

    Glad to see a kneeling/work pad, take care of those young knees.

  • @steveclark4291
    @steveclark4291 19 днів тому +7

    I love the way Rory and crew make it look so easy to go on those trails !

  • @emojens
    @emojens 19 днів тому +3

    The boom camera shot is cool

  • @steveclark4291
    @steveclark4291 19 днів тому +4

    Wow , thank you guys for the awesome ride from the top of the boom ! Loved it please more of that ! Thank you !

  • @cjg1482
    @cjg1482 19 днів тому +5

    Just because you can doesn’t mean that you should. Stay on the trail!

  • @marvincarter870
    @marvincarter870 19 днів тому +22

    Rory and Shawn made our day posting this video to cheer us up. After bringing the trailer through all of that rough country Rory and Shawn used Trail Mater to lift up the sxs and repaired it and the customer drove it out! That was hilarious about "this is why we don't let Mike drive"!

  • @Kevin-ti3rz
    @Kevin-ti3rz 18 днів тому +2

    Crossing over on that beam was like what i tried to do when we were playing hid & seek . But it was a 8 inch pipe along the wall 15 feet up . I got halfway and couldn't move. I lost when I cried out get the ladder. We had a lot of fun in that skating rink in Vegas

  • @rkneegordon6316
    @rkneegordon6316 18 днів тому +2

    If I could fit Rory in my tool box, that's all I'd ever need.

  • @michaelenewold9225
    @michaelenewold9225 19 днів тому +3

    When TrailMater is parked by the shop you should put a sunshade in the windshield that has Tow Mater eyes on it. 😎 👁👁 I can't say enough about the scenery, love it 👍

  • @Ross-df1yt
    @Ross-df1yt 13 днів тому +1

    Thank you for the awesome shows..keep up the great work and content...mike ..shawn .. Rory

  • @aussiebloke609
    @aussiebloke609 19 днів тому +3

    0:59 I love how gently you take the water crossing, Rory. Surely the old dog hasn't learned a new trick...right? LOL

    • @trailmater
      @trailmater  19 днів тому +4

      Or it could be the 1 1/2' ledge on either side of the creek...

  • @cchrisfish773
    @cchrisfish773 19 днів тому +9

    Im from Oklahoma and saw that OK tag. Guy should know about trail closures. Until the late 80's we had a million acres of open ride, open range in SE Oklahoma. Then people abused that and its now less than 20,000 acres.

    • @steveclark4291
      @steveclark4291 19 днів тому +3

      Very true ! I'm from Kansas ! It's sad that some people just don't care about stuff .

    • @EatDrinkBeMerry
      @EatDrinkBeMerry 19 днів тому

      Earth has a virus called humans

  • @carlosyniguez2376
    @carlosyniguez2376 19 днів тому +4

    RORY!!!! YOU ARE THE BOMB!!! THANK YOU FOR YOUR FAMILY FRIENDLY CONTENT!!! KEEP DOING WHAT YOURE DOUNG!!!

  • @jeremiahsherman1190
    @jeremiahsherman1190 19 днів тому +3

    Way to keep ‘em on the trail 😂if Rory yelled at me like that I would have to check my shorts he’s like a dad yelling at you ❤

  • @Bryanja81
    @Bryanja81 19 днів тому +3

    Rory, i appreciate and respect how you follow and enforce the rules on the trails. Someday i would really like to visit Moab, once my truck is finished, and if not for people like you, i would never get to visit because it would be closed from people violating the rules. So thank you!

  • @anthonybarrett2342
    @anthonybarrett2342 19 днів тому +3

    I still love the fact that any one that I have seen stand near Rory looks small no matter how big their egos might be.

  • @snowcheck011
    @snowcheck011 19 днів тому +2

    I can relate, drove 50 miles to fix a broken truck and in 1hour and 15 minutes there was a tow truck picking it up when I got there in 1 hour 20 minutes. Makes your day.

  • @ggalland1
    @ggalland1 17 днів тому +2

    Great video great recoveries as always, thank you for sharing

  • @abnpthfdr2934
    @abnpthfdr2934 11 днів тому

    @11:00 It was safety 3rd that day...😆😆
    We love you, Mike. You're a great cameraman!!!🤙

  • @edwinschlee8374
    @edwinschlee8374 19 днів тому +4

    One trail repair and one getting help from someone else. so time for some site seeing. That is a great wall of ancient art!

  • @jdcjr50
    @jdcjr50 19 днів тому +5

    Props for Mike's taking care, something to live up to.

  • @homegrownson
    @homegrownson 19 днів тому +45

    Imagine being the first guy following mater & Rory up mountain, knowing if you don't or cant follow him, all your buddies will ride you for not being able to follow a Wrecker from Prehistoric Era

    • @ohcampfan
      @ohcampfan 19 днів тому +17

      Pulling a trailer...

    • @eat.sleep.wheel21
      @eat.sleep.wheel21 19 днів тому +14

      @@ohcampfan no kidding, it's hard to think the trails in Moab are really *that* difficult when we've been watching a dude in a leaf sprung dually pull a trailer across all of them for years.

    • @roberthevern6169
      @roberthevern6169 19 днів тому +1

      Does Rory know what that dude called 'Trailmater'?

    • @KarlEller
      @KarlEller 19 днів тому +1

      @@eat.sleep.wheel21 It doesn't help that he's running what, 40's or 42's, that look like they're 35's on any other vehicle 🤣

  • @JanetGraniteJeep
    @JanetGraniteJeep 8 днів тому +1

    We used to camp at that swinging bridge when I was a kid and it was the only bridge. Loved seeing that!

  • @skistrycharski6999
    @skistrycharski6999 18 днів тому +2

    Y’all are crazy GOOD ‼️‼️🫵🏻😎

  • @dennisnorthcutt1175
    @dennisnorthcutt1175 19 днів тому +3

    Thank you for keeping them on the trail.

  • @aussiefirestorm
    @aussiefirestorm 19 днів тому +3

    Thanks for the bonus footage. Imagine the fun of driving round a car load of rock peckers, I would stay on the camera too.

  • @steven.h0629
    @steven.h0629 19 днів тому +4

    Scenery is gorgeous 👍😎✊

  • @janebayley4800
    @janebayley4800 19 днів тому +2

    Thank you, Rory.You didn't make a recovery , The petroglyphs That was fantastic thank you.👏🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @christopherwedemeyer2993
    @christopherwedemeyer2993 19 днів тому +4

    Seeing that cabbed side by side and then seeing Trailmater in the same spot; it almost looks like Rory's rig is just a scaled up UTV with a boom.....

  • @jeffomalley100
    @jeffomalley100 19 днів тому +9

    That was a petroglyph of a Diamond Bill Rock Pecker. You didn't see it? Lol

  • @dougalexander7204
    @dougalexander7204 16 днів тому +1

    Rory’s passion about his sport is honest. He takes care of his family and workers with recovery and repairs on the trail. Follow the rules or the GOAT will get you.

  • @stephend.mixell2042
    @stephend.mixell2042 19 днів тому +2

    Rory to the rescue. Love the camera views you guys provide. Another job well done. Love the wall paintings.

  • @Xtinnoker
    @Xtinnoker 19 днів тому +2

    You guys have the best workplace I have ever seen, Smiling on your way to work. Pretty damn nice.

  • @guysonne423
    @guysonne423 19 днів тому +1

    Part of the reason the videos are so good is how you guys get along so well , nice work.

  • @Terry-lu2dr
    @Terry-lu2dr 19 днів тому +5

    Your heart must have skipped a beat when stalling out on water crossing.

    • @kjsgarden
      @kjsgarden 17 днів тому +1

      I think it takes a lot more than that to make his heart skip a beat. 😉🙂

  • @jeffmosley4043
    @jeffmosley4043 19 днів тому +1

    You got to make the T shrit now you said it. Stay on the trail or stay home. Great job guy's keep up the great work and stay safe. Thanks for the video.

  • @micah6855
    @micah6855 19 днів тому +2

    Amazing scenery, love seeing the blue skies

  • @darlene4232
    @darlene4232 19 днів тому +3

    Thanks for the beautiful scenery

  • @markreetz1001
    @markreetz1001 18 днів тому +2

    Hmmm. "Bad driving makes good content." I'll have to remember that! Nice scenery!

  • @TumbleweedRancher
    @TumbleweedRancher 19 днів тому +1

    I do like the shots looking under the rig, don't see many others showing that angle.

  • @ford_drivingbuilder4225
    @ford_drivingbuilder4225 19 днів тому +1

    mike does kill it with the camara.

  • @pauljohnstone4723
    @pauljohnstone4723 19 днів тому

    I love watching a snake of side x sides picking their way through small rocks and they look up and see Trailmater, towing a trailer, trundle passed them as though it was on the highway.

  • @anthonylee2099
    @anthonylee2099 8 днів тому

    Great trail repair Rory. Mike does a Hood job of filming 🤙😎

  • @01cdave
    @01cdave 18 днів тому +2

    I always watch the scenery!

  • @annmurphy5507
    @annmurphy5507 19 днів тому +1

    AWESOME CAMERA ANGLES; ❤from Texas

  • @susansmith-franks684
    @susansmith-franks684 18 днів тому

    Shawn - this had some beautiful videography! ❤️

  • @knowledgeseeker3188
    @knowledgeseeker3188 19 днів тому +2

    Meanwhile, somewhere in Utah...TRAILMATER camera man Mike...always gets the best landscape images!

  • @cliffscott2816
    @cliffscott2816 19 днів тому +3

    Oklahoma Dude has his deer lease buggy up in the wrong place..

  • @UncleManuel
    @UncleManuel 18 днів тому +2

    Those side-by-sides at the beginning were following Rory just out of instincts - because they know a breakdown is not a question of "if" but more one of "when"... 😂😁😜

  • @jeffclark2725
    @jeffclark2725 19 днів тому +1

    Always enjoy the ride alongs, thats not Sand Hollow, stay on the trail,thumbs up, great video

  • @LarsDennert
    @LarsDennert 19 днів тому

    "We'll be fine on the creek crossing." After all it's not Onion Creek... 🙂Hey I always ask before helping someone if they have already called and have someone on the way. The other day I asked a woman with a dead battery. She said AAA was on the way so I said I let them take care of it. Helping strangers get unstuck is an amusing experience. Usually just as I get them unstuck, they "help" and dig new holes to start over.

  • @Bigdaddyslasher
    @Bigdaddyslasher 19 днів тому +2

    Great video

  • @timoldenburg2249
    @timoldenburg2249 19 днів тому

    Love the sound of Trailmater 🤘❤️🤘

  • @TadhghR
    @TadhghR 19 днів тому +1

    Petroglyphs look sorta similar to Quinkins drawn in Australia by Aborigines. Thanks for showing them!

  • @aprilhilliard3302
    @aprilhilliard3302 18 днів тому

    Great vid as always!
    We never (ever!) went off trail with our YXZ...but I must confess we did one time last year with our Samurai. It was on the north side of Baxter Pass, and the road had huge washouts that got worse until they were above my ability. Didn't really want to go back through the ones we had come through, when a group of motobikers came along. One of them who lived sort of nearby told us to go back 100yds, turn west then north and there would be "a nice trail through a meadow". LOL. No trail, no meadow! Ran over a lot of sage but made it through to where the road was graded. Will not make that mistake again! And in our defense, it wasn't a real desert area and the stuff we drove over was probably grown back in a month.
    We do have Rory's number in our phones just in case, but there usually isn't any signal where we go. And btw, if we called and successfully extracted before the team's arrival, we would for sure wait where we could meet and at the very least pay for their time and gas.

  • @scottnelson1713
    @scottnelson1713 19 днів тому +1

    That bracket at the rear of the Polaris that was fixed by 8:00 in the video looks rather weak. Like maybe it was designed to drive around farms instead of rough rocky terrain. I second the idea of a T-shirt that says "Stay on the trail or stay home!".

  • @johnhart125
    @johnhart125 19 днів тому +1

    Rough beautiful ctry, just amazing scenery

  • @JDZiemba1773
    @JDZiemba1773 19 днів тому +2

    It sux but if you dont get the card number before you leave you get beat....thats no fair....maybe on recovery outa town they approve at least 100$ before you roll out.....such is life ... rock on ❤️🇺🇲

  • @thequickbrownfox7289
    @thequickbrownfox7289 19 днів тому +2

    That is a very short wheelbase and high center of gravity on that Polaris. Not sure that would be my first, or secomd choice for that area.

  • @danielrongo2367
    @danielrongo2367 19 днів тому +1

    Very impressive awesome job

  • @Wesley-uo3rn
    @Wesley-uo3rn 18 днів тому +1

    My rich buddy told me his sxs go places my XJ will never go .. I just gave him a Shawn laugh 😂😂 and told him to meet me in Moab

  • @freshseeker
    @freshseeker 19 днів тому +1

    loved the rock art shots. way to make the best of a less than ideal situation.

  • @dougdean3134
    @dougdean3134 12 днів тому

    Yes Mike does crush the camera!

  • @lonhoschar1943
    @lonhoschar1943 19 днів тому +1

    Nice job on the sxs. Love to see all the scenery. Those were some awesome pictographs and petroglyphs. Makes you wonder what they were looking at when they drew those???

  • @eddief3326
    @eddief3326 19 днів тому +1

    yes on the new t shirt adea needs to be on sings to.

  • @briangalloway3684
    @briangalloway3684 18 днів тому +2

    i really hope the dude who tried to go off trail reads these comments. you needed him 4 feet over and his first thought was really that? insane...