NITROUS-INJECTED 500 CADILLAC-A TON OF TORQUE!
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- Опубліковано 27 лис 2020
- NITROUS = A MOUNTAIN OF TORQUE. THE OTHER GUYS NOS 500! THE CADDY GETS JUICED! HOW TO YOU ADD EVEN MORE TORQUE TO AN ALREADY TORQUE-HAPPY 500-INCH CADILLAC V8? EASY, JUST ADD NITROUS OXIDE, AND ADD IT EARLY. SINCE THE BIG CADDY MAKES PEAK PWOER SO EARLY IN THE REV RANGE, ADDING 100-HP SHOT ADDS SOME SERIOUS TORQUE!
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Richard is a gem to the automotive community
Darn correct sir .
A National Treasure.
My wife just rolls her eyes when she hears the music.
take her dancing
Ha guess I will have to. Thank you for the videos Richard. We do all really appreciate and enjoy them.
@@richardholdener1727 😂
That's just the molly!
John Boticki - The music is some form of Santana's " Jin Go Lo Ba. " Just tell her it's Santana.
It's almost sacrilege to dislike Santana.
Turbo, turbo, turbo!!!! Thank you Richard.
Can't wait to see a couple turbos on that monster!!
Just finding these Cad vids. Long story short I started after reading the article "Torque Pig" in the July '00 issue of Hot Rod Magazine. Bought my 1st one, a '73 Eldo 500 w/ a '68 TH400 installed in an '81 Cad Coupe originally w/ a Buick 4.1/TH200 and 3.42 10" for $200 in a junk yard after the previous owner smacked a deer and sold it to them. I repaired the front and drove it. My 1st, I put duals, a Holley Projection and trans shit kit. A very wicked 1-2 shift @ 4000 rpm! Beating a Chevy 350 S-10 and '96 Impala SS was no problem! Tidbit. My Cad weighed 4220#, the SS 4214#. The B and D body GM frames are the same except the D is inches longer in the middle. Suspension parts all interchange. Current project is an '84 Coupe...and a 500 for my lowered Chevy dually. Finally, I stopped at one of the Cad perf shops, Potter Automotive in Soddy-Daisy, TN in '08. He had the Popular Hot Rodding Magazine Engine Master's Challenge 470 he built for it and told me the WHOLE story of why he did not win. You give control over your engine to them. They did not properly vent the Cad cooling system which caused it to detonate, throwing off the harmomic balancer. His 500's made 800 hp. I have a few dozen 472/500's.
Hello Patrick.I have a modification for improved oiling for high performance use. Interested?
@@davidcooper3436 I am using a Cad Company blue-printed Gold pump and '68 up 5200 blocks.
I had a 67 ford f250 with a 472. Ford guys hated it but it was one of 2 of the strongest trucks I ever owned. The other was a 73 IH 1210 4x4 pickup with 345 IH V8.
I'm a natural born Ford guy, but a 500 Caddy in a Ford doesn't hurt my feelings one bit!
Then again, a 460 stroked to 512 makes me happy too!
@@Motor-City-Mike I bought that truck with the 472 Caddy already installed I think it was done out of necessity rather than to be a hot rod. This video made me miss it and the IH. That 345 IH V8 was a torque monster too.
I saw a F250 with that same set up in East LA. Can't remember the year, but it was 67-72 and it was green and white with an overhead camper. It sat behind my friend's radiator shop.
Great nitrous hit! Idk about these other guys, but I'd like to see what that Caddy puts down with an extra atmosphere in it. 😁
That would be a good candidate for a roots supercharger. Low rpm torque machine.
My brother had a 70 500,stock bottom end comp cams cam,MTS early style shaft rocker upgrade,edelbrock intake,950 Holley and a 350 shot ( what was figurered on by jet size)on a stock head ran low 11's really really small cam.Ran about the same on 250/300 shot as it did on a 350ish shot,heads limited it,so did a fully ported set with bigger valves ran it on motor in a 78 Malibu,it ran low 11's on motor never got a chance to spray it so he's taking it out and going turbo ls and I got the motor for my 78 coupe DeVille,that I'll redo the block,o ring it rods & pistons, hydraulic roller cam see what it does
I am enjoying this series, a lot. In 1983 I bought a 1976 Coupe De Ville, it was a great car. My Dad hated the Caddy, his 1976 Chevy P/U with a slightly modded 350 SBC could not outrun me in a rolling race, from the dig he could get out front but once the big Caddy was moving he could not pass it. I applaud your desire to showcase "the other guys" because some great engines have been produced over the years.
I had a 72 caddy hearse. Had a 472. Sold it to a buddy of mine.. he said, and he isn't the kind to lie, that he beat a vette. From a dig at a light. Collum shifted I think he said up to OD... I asked him if the vette knew they were racing !! I guess I have to take his word for. Not sure I believe it but hey
Lined up against a choptop Chevy 454. Took off together, when I pulled 2nd gear at 5500 rpm Big Cadoo Cadmaro went 2 car lengths in a blink of the eye.
Awesome. Buick 455 next please 😁
And pontiac 455 too!
Oldsmobile 455
@RichardHoldener
I have to say, you sure know how to get a bunch of guys talking. It's been so much fun watching the videos and spending hours reading every comment. Your channel is turning into my "GO TO" place. I'm even learning about HONDA motors and tiny wee 8's. Lol. I hope many more start following all your vids. I am learning so much. The tech info is fantastic.
I appreciate that!
Turbos and supercharger s are the gifts that keep on giving.
Bv
There's a guy running a 106mm turbo on a 500 caddy deville I wish he would put more information about it
Oof. That's a lot of turbo.
Flying mile car ....went over 200 mph
Is the guy Finnegan?
No ...name is Sean mote
www.streetmusclemag.com/news/king-kong-kadillac-sean-motes-turbocharged-1970-coupe-de-ville/
We used to use 225 plate shot, or tunnel rams make from 460 ford and even sheetmetal ones. We adapted bbc headers to them. 450 nos with 114 fuel. Olds 455 rods.hit 1000 plus hp.
LS tests are soooooo yesterday. I've been waiting for this! :^)
380 hp and 525 ft lbs before NOS, about 500 hp and over 700 ft lbs after NOS :))
My 500 engine back in 1987 ot 88 was 13.1 comp with ported factory heads, stock pistons, my own designed cam. A t 46 tractor trailer turbo at full boost on 114 fuel.
Bv
My man if you could do a 425 that would be killer
Wow that thing gets angry down low. I love it ❤️
Big Bang vortec 4200!!
Thanks for the great videos Richard, love that 500 caddy.
Very cool! Now hit the NOS with the turbo!
The twin turbo version of this need to go into Mike Finnegan's Caddy instead of that BBC
He’s doing that because he’s going to break it and parts are cheaper. Going the easy route.
the cad 500 motor can easily make enough hp to make his cad go 200 mph
Mike hates the big Caddy engines. He would just blow it up and say its junk.
300 in-line 6 😁😁
We love 472 & 500 caddy big block power torque monsters we put them in 4x4 square body chevy pickups since the 90's got adapter plates to hook em up to turbo 400 transmissions works awesome
I put a 500 in my 82 Suburban years ago. I went the hard way on the trans though, rebuilt the Caddy trans with the proper output shaft to mate to the transfer case.
@@charliedee9276 I was pretty sure that bop th400 only came in rwd. You have to use the caddy case with the 4wd guts to and tail housing to get it to work?
@@timothybayliss6680 Yep. Rebuilt the BOP using the output shaft from a 4x4 TH400. The transfer case adapter bolted right to the BOP case like it was made for it. Wasn't long after that I put 1 ton axles in it, the stock 10 bolts with 35's didn't last long.
@@charliedee9276 60 and 14 bolt for the win. I worked at a place that used a half ton dodge to pull a skid steer. They wouldn't listen to me when I told them to grab a 70 out of a one ton from the junkyard to replace it. Instead they put three gearsets and one new carrier in the factory case.
That torque gain was insane!!
Hey Rich another great video, goes without saying really enjoyed the content.Thats one bad ass engine
Man oh man I'm learning so much.
Very nice
More Cadillac please. I have a 472.
6:07 Feed me Seymour!
Yup, Audrey the 500!
Great work. Ever since 1980 have wondered what can be done with the 500ci Cadillac.
I want a big 1970 Caddy now.
I can't remember the exact model year, but most of the parts had 74 date codes. I remember a 72 Eldorado at a police auction I went to, still regretting not bidding.
Too heck with engines. I want a Richard "Big Grin" Holdener face mask.
Screen-grab and inkjet print on that iron-on paper from a local fabric store...if you do it we want to see it!
@@Luminaring I forwarded the grin shot to my ex-wife's brother, who is a surgeon at a major medical facility. He is convinced that a mask of that will scare the zhit out of any virus back to its Wuhan lab. I will soon be filthy rich. Don't tell my ex.
I get a %
@@richardholdener1727 speaking of , any more on the holdener swag process mr ?
@@richardholdener1727 Is 17.5% enough? I mean, I could do more if you want to go on a 48-state Big Bad Grin Tour.
I’d love to see the old 440 motorhome motor, but Big Bang.
Cam was 300 degree full during I believe.
The old addage no replacement for displacement. I used to snap u joints on my caddy with a 500 and some mods the motor is a torque monster.
Need a multi-part battle of the Inline 6s....mild to wild!
Turbo torque, I love it. Put that in a truck with a turbo. Tug of war champion.
Right on
I was told by the Cmd ex nhra that 3000 hp was possible on a stock block with fill
Sweettttt!
119k 😎 awesomeness
I'd really love to see an 8-71 blower on that, Itd look soo damnn cool and turn that ridiculous torque into balls to the wall apeshit insane haha. Oh yeah the turbo would be awesome too!
*** WARNING! *** Do NOT spray on the hit more than a 100 shot unless you have the drivetrain to support the torque level that you are going to make. Doing so gave me a very expensive education. I was running 11.40's @ 119mph with a small block spraying 175 about 20 feet out in 1st gear. This worked great and was 60 footing 1.60 on street tires. But I wanted more. I told my buddies I was going to spray it out of the hole and one of them who had WAY more nitrous experience than I had said, "Oh yeah! I gotta see this!" and went and stood over by the wall with his arms folded. I should have stopped right then! Long story short, I sprayed it out of the hole and the car dead hooked and went about 2 feet before twisting the 3rd member straight up tearing through the floor and destroying the driveshaft. Car wouldn't even roll and we had to winch it onto a trailer. I got it to the shop and the "shockwave" of 800+ lb-ft of torque also destroyed the transmission and the torque converter! An expensive lesson. Had it not broke, I would have stood it on the bumper and that would not have been cheap either. Be smart, and use a progressive controller.
No aliens???
@@CarsCatAliens Tons! Biden let them all in.
Can always use Nitrous to spool some big turbos. :-)
You can use a 225 nos with pump gas. So 700 hp can happen.
They make power below 5500.
Bv
Well that explains why the head gaskets finally gave up with the turbo tests. Cylinder pressure must have been massive.
Rich, these blocks can take 2000 plus hp.
Bv
I'd say , you're a "Wildman" !! But that's the reason we like you ! Keep it up , you're projects are awesome 👌! Did you have the best "experaments" (projects) , in school 🤔
those came later
@@richardholdener1727 😆
I wanna see junkyard motors with those centrifugal superchargers...
Post 74 with 70-72 heads and you get 13.1 compression after that I got a cam from maximum tourge specialties I think it was had a buddy chopper up a factory intake and built me a dual quad intake. Then bored to 514 cubic inches the na result was 750 hoarse 800 foot pounds. But must caution not really much you can do with rockers. I just always wonder what the actual capabilities are if someone took the time to balance crank and rods I still don't think it Rev high but maybe even snappier torque
But I do think this is a cool one with surprising potential
YEA
Man that Caddy was awesome. the were flames starting to come out the headers around the 6:10 mark. that this is bad ass.
On these nitrous tests were there aftermarket rocker systems or factory rocker set up thank you
STOCK
Hey Richard....what do you think about compound turbos on the 4.0 liter v6 Ford motor that was put into Mazda b4000 trucks....I think it's weird and up your alley...😁👍👍👍
boost is always good
We did break rear ends.
👐
When filming the engine runs, please turn down the micophone's gain, so it's doesn't clip
Or he could just mic it through an old tube pre amp, then turn his output down so the gain into his recording device isn't clipping, and he can get actual real distortion lol.
But I digress...
but your ears would be clipping
There is a chance that it's self leveling. When he was walking through the junkyard he walked passed someone with a Sawzall and his volume fell drastically. It pointed me to AGC. Granted the saw didn't clip but the dyno runs almost always do.
I would have to sacrifice so low end torque just to make the tq and hp actually cross on the dyno🤣 ITB and a cam
The caddy rocker arms might not take that kind of abuse. Some guys have but upgraded shafts go a long way.
I could do testing that makes more sense. Like 225 to 450 nos on e85 Street
Bloodviking
These engines cost about double to build vs a sbc and more then a bbc by a good deal.
I want you to work on my 472!
Hi Richard, Do you have a few videos on the 8.1 vortec big block?
have not run one of those yet
Now yer gettin somewhere...quicker....😏😎
I have a couple questions for you. How can i get a hold of you. Thanks note: i got a 500 on my puller tractor. stainless valves , roller rockers, CHP #15 cam a little head porting. And a bottle of juice.
killerbe16@aol.com
Hey Richard, How much nitrous will the stock pistons and rods handle under heavy pull. 4500 rpm max. Or am i better to bring rpms up some with the roller rockers and stainless one pc valve.
But when boost happen though?
You want to really do an "other guys" engine, well then how about a Continental IO-550 then add BOOST!😎🤣🤣🤣
I’m interested and need more info
@Whitey Powers We are seeing a little of whats possible with the io720 Mike Patey is using for Scrappy. As for TSIO 550, well what if it was experimental rather than certified?
When you said "Spray at 5252 RPM" I was thinking, "Ah, he's gonna spray this thing at 4000 RPM." Then when you said this thing makes peak power at 4300, I set down my coffee, because I knew then and there, 200 foot pounds was about to happen at the push of a button!
I could have a motor making 10 horsepower and 1000 ft lbs of torque and I'd be happy.
Yeah, that would spin at a whopping 50rpm, I don't think you understand the relationship between power and torque.
Richard: a ton of torque
My dumbass: he made 2000 foot pounds of torque?
Richard, as a guy looking for and old Caddy to drive daily I'd like to see what a fuel injection system would do for a daily.
Some of the 75-76eldos and Fleetwood s came with multi port fuel injection
@@puffkendrick6850 I have a 500 rebuilt by a friend in the US waiting to go into my 49 caddy. Forged and balanced pistons and rods, steel heads with big valve job and porting, mildish lunati cam, edelbrock intake, sanderson headers, 9 to 1 compression, msd ignition. Just ordered hollet sniper x flow injection, 800hp holley fuel pump, holley fuel reg. I'll ket you know how it goes. Love your video's Richard, thank you sir! Might try to melt a hole in the pistons with nos or get a procharger down the track.
@@paulnottle8524 Let me know how it comes together, would be interesting.
I see the stock exhaust manifolds were already turned around...🐌🐌
that photo is coming up
We learned that cadillac engines are dogs until you force feed them. And they rev slow.
Do you know that cadi 500 trick?
aw man I'm late to the party 😄
How long can a stock piston last on nitrous or what is the biggest shot it can withstand
The stock piston is pretty thick. If a ring-land fails, that doesn't count. Something else will break.
Ten second runs at the strip or dyno aren't really that bad for heating them. Proper ring gap will usually get you before you pinch a ring land. Still, this engine with these huge pistons, 4.3xx", I wouldnt be surprised to see it take another 100hp with race gas and maybe another 100hp with alcohol after that. Something else will probably let go first. You might not be able to push enough nitrous in this engine to hurt the pistons, however spraying a 300 shot at 2000rpm would probably push the crank to the center of the earth.
I ran a 250 shot for years with no problem ... Did not have trouble till I bumped it to 400 HP shot ...
400 shot is getting pretty spicy
Ya ...was probably asking for trouble ...
How’d he get that water pump belt on?
You can bolt the pulley on with the belt over it or curse a whole bunch of times with a tire iron and a ratchet spinning the engine.
put belt on groove-then bolt on water pump pulley
Can't believe the rods stayed in their respective place!
The Caddy 500 rods were upgraded from the 472 series,I can attest they're much more durable .
Rods are the same 472 or 500 cast Arma steel ... The reason some people have trouble is side clearance on a Cadillac piston is less the .001 and they stick a piston blame the rod .... This motor was opened up to .003 to give it a little room
@@scotthatch4653 did giving the 500 more wiggle room create more durabilty along with horse power and toque?
It's really needed ... The tight design Cadillac had is fine for stock OE low rpm but for performance and more rpm you really need the clearance ...stock piston is a cast steel strut design
@@scotthatch4653 Thanks for the info,gotta add it to the library of Caddys
Can you do a turbo hemi
I did turbo Gen 3 Hemi
Rear gear killer for sure. Ten bolt doesn’t stand a chance of surviving long without some serious mods.
I don't think they put 10 bolts in a caddy but u never know
@@kevinjohnson9372 I think Richard was talking about putting this engine and the 292 in his nova.
I wasn't thinking about that part of both engines will hurt that 10 bolt
Now I Know Why I Kept Backfiring and melting sparkplugs Hitting A big shot at low Rpm, I have a video on my channel 😂
455 olds ?
Rod knocker 2000
It's pretty scary how hard the nitrous hits. Do these systems have ways to slow down how quickly it turns on?
Yes, it's called a progressive controller. Same theory applies to boosted applications as well
@@JaMarvelousjmar It would be cool to have a system that would fill in holes in the torque curve by smoothly blending the nitrous in and out. Or to give a little squirt to help a turbo spool.
@@andyharman3022 there already is and it's called the DRIVER. That's where experience and knowing the setup comes into factor. You can have the best tech and equipment but the guy behind the wheel is the biggest factor.
@@andyharman3022 there are ECUs that use rpm, wheel speed, ride height aid density and numerous other factors that a tuner can use to calibrate the timing, fuel ratio, ignition, boost curve and other functions.
it will blow your spark nuts off and rattel your muffler bearing out and blow your piston hammer to
Love the cady but we need a gen2 426 hemi or a 426 max wedge
Nitrous, with methanol as a fuel to add???
HARD TO JUDGE AF
I built my 460 with the top 2 rings at 0.035 with Hypereutectic pistons, I have 0.040 quench, 9.75 to 1 static compression small cam .486/.512 with 204/214 at 050
78 F150 Ranger C6 2.75 gears and 35s on the rear with a 1000-1200 rpm Hughes Fuel Miser tq converter
Would a 100 to 150 shot be safe ish for this?
Seeing how this 500 really really jumped in Tq like it did I would LOVE to see a gain like that for 1st gear (70 mph in 1st gear at 5k and 85 at 6k )
That's a nice build, I like that you paid attention to quench. The only thing that might worry me a bit is how tight the bearings are, but that's really minor. I would guess, tested like this, open exhaust, your engine probably makes a little more power than this. About 400 or so. 460s have notoriously strong everything, blocks, cranks, rods everywhere is over build for what they do. I wouldn't worry about a 150 shot, I just wouldn't hit it at too low an rpm. Richard scaled a 100 shot at four degree retard, for a 150 shot six would be close. Use good gas, 9.75 is a bit for an all iron big block with a tight cam and pump gas, but you should be fine. If you try to spray it stalling the convertor you will probably Balloon it. It would be like 800+ ft lbs against a something not designed for it.
@@timothybayliss6680 has around 2k miles on the rebuild after I blew a crown out of the number 7 piston because ring gap I followed the recommendation for a 150 shot just to be safe-ish
D0VE heads ported to SCJ gasket, 2.25/1.76 valves, was running a Victor intake and 1050 Dominator but stepped back to a cast iron and a 3310 Holley for the better low end
¼ mile at 13.2 at 108 mph with my ridiculously tall gearing but im not wanting to change gearing or use a looser converter id just like to flip that switch and gain 200+ tq where I want it
@@smokenchoken1736 a bunch of guys spray themselves silly with hypereutectic pistons. Only anecdotally but 90-93 5.0l HO engines had them and lots of guys sprayed lots of times. I've never heard of someone hurting one with a 100 shot and most guys think 200 is where you should draw the line if your gonna run the whole strip.
If you want to have a 30 second spray through a mud pit, I would probably say no, stick to 100 or just don't do it. For anything else 150 isn't too much.
There is a bunch of guys online that will know more than me, I hope some of them answer here.
Personally I blame squirrels
You know this is the engine that wouldn't have left your shop, the one that has cut your hours and pay, because Richard didn't want to double his investment paying for a balance on a shoestring rebuild. Just let that sink in.
@@timothybayliss6680 them caddy's critters are great engines in any form . If they get better valve train , new rods and pistons then balanced they get even better
@@johnwoodworth248 also, water wet. For a difference to be a difference it has to make a difference.
@@timothybayliss6680 I've been told that " water wet " stuff works good but I've never used it much
@@johnwoodworth248 you said "they get even better", what does better mean in this instance? Would it be smoother running? Probably. Would it be able to take missed shifts without popping all the clips off the rockers? Sure, maybe. Would it make any more power? The answer to that is a great big NO. That's because is would be sitting in various bins and crates gathering dust and rust as the prospective bench racer brags to all their friends about spending thousands of dollars for a project they have the parts to build but refuse to because they want it to be "better". Specifically on this combination as it's tested here, same nitrous, same cam and intake, what would the difference be on the dyno from the investment.
As Richard has assembled this engine it's entirely fit for purpose, he has another 500 with pistons and rods in it. Don't let perfection be the enemy of good.
Rich
Wait til these guys see this b on boost
Too much tourqe on 100 shot ?
Taint nuthin
Um...I'm having deja vu. Didnt you post this 3 days ago?
ya i was wondering if I was just going to say
@@naomifox7899 I watched it anyway, and it's a different video. But not much different.
that was a live 1 run video
like the way you explain what you're doing. to bad about the cady engine
Where did the idea that running Nitrous changes an engine from being Naturally Aspirated to something else!?!
The additional oxygen and the attending fuel create more power/additional cylinder pressure, they don't change how it gets there.
N/A means the engines cylinders are filled with air by atmospheric pressure,
when running Nitrous, the nitrous and extra fuel are carried by the air filling the cylinders is at ATMOSPHERIC PRESSURE so the engine is still NATURALLY ASPIRATED.
Nitrous is an oxygen bearing compound 'inhaled naturally', just like nitro methane would be, and running nitro methane is still considered N/A.
Regardless of what is ingested it's still naturally occuring under atmospheric pressure.
The engines still fed at one Bar., no pressurized induction (boost) so why people who supposedly know how power adders work insist that with nitrous an engine is no longer N/A makes no sense whatsoever.
nitrous is not injected at atmospheric pressure-heck-neither is the fuel
Captions?
Auto generated captions are really good on this video. I haven't noticed any mistakes.
So, ya better get yerself a 9" Ford axle, or a 12 bolt, or a Dana 60 in the Supernova, or it'll be losing teeth like an Appalachain family that chews tobacky.
Why do people always add those stupid 100 hp plates when you should run the most nos for the octane your running. About 200 to 225 works on pump gas.
Just my opinion.NOS is a waste on a street car.I want to back my truck up to a trailer of whatever put in drive and go without my truck complaining.I did have a 7.3 non turbo in my f350 and it towed my racecar just fine.Everything on the diesel was so expensive for paerts I got rid of it.I am looking for a 500cu cad motor for my 1987 F150. Love the channel.
NOS is never a waste-especially on a street car
@@richardholdener1727 Other than a street race,what is it good?
Wouldn’t this mean that 600hp at 4000rpm is more power than 600hp at 8000rpm
it would certainly mean more torque at 4000 rpm
Foist