Sonic CD - Ending Scene Comparison
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2022
- As some of you may know, Sonic Origins includes Sonic CD, and interestingly the FMVs on there, got some touch ups and visual improvements over prior iterations. This made me curious to compare every single version of this ending scene that we have access to, and the results are certainly interesting.
The 96 PC version, is the only version where any real effort was made to sync up the footage to the Mega CD original, although it likewise runs at 15 fps and in a much smaller screen.
Sonic Jam, Sonic Mega Collection and Sonic Origins, all appear to use the source tape master that SEGA has, with only minor differences between them like Sonic Jam's version being much more compressed and at a lower framerate, Mega Collection having some fade in effects as a result of being mixed in with other scenes, and Origins being the highest quality version available, with a notable effort to remove the ghosting.
Sonic Gems Collection is interesting, because it's the only version following the 96 PC port, to omit the R2 level scene, it also consistently appears to be the slowest version for the post 96 PC releases.
The 2011 rerelease has a fade in effect at the start, not on any other version, and appears slightly faster than Gems Collection, but other than that I don't have much to say there.
Worth noting is that the MCD original, 96 PC port, 2011 rerelease and Sonic Origins, all had a portion of the credits in a much smaller window alongside the text scroll, and so they had to all be zoomed in accordingly for comparison's sake.
Finally, I should note that every single version of this scene has ghosting in one form or another, even the Mega CD original isn't safe from it surprisingly enough.
Credit goes to vanilla and Smash45 for the 1996 PC port footage and Sonic Gems Collection respectively.
P.S for those asking about this specific track, I have uploaded a video of it, with even a FLAC file attached in the description.
• Let's & Go!! WGP Hyper... - Ігри
![Sonic CD - Good Ending [Original JP Version]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/iu4JKfGOQyo/mqdefault.jpg)
![Sonic CD – Good Ending [Original JP Version]](/img/tr.png)
To simplify responses and since a lot of people asked.
I uploaded the track used in this clip months ago on here, you can find the clip in the video description here.
The original pixel traced Mega CD version held the shot with Amy for a couple seconds, showing her blinking. It's pretty cute.
I think all of the problems with the later versions started with the clumsy PC port😢
Her dress also flutters, too. That was also removed in later versions or added just to the pixel trace.
What I'd give to have someone raid Toei's headquarters, to uncover the film reels for the Sonic CD animations. 😔
@pobert-eii wait what
I think sega has them, they had some fans go through and remove the ghosting
@@SuperSireBoyYT if Sega had them, then a proper rescan would eliminate all ghosting.
If you go frame by frame, the Origins version still has some shots that bleed into each other.
Plus, I don't see why Sega would keep film reels.
They probably just comissioned it from Toei, and received the finished animation on tape.
It’s Junio not Toei
@@CyberFunk626 Toei is a June animation company too but with the difference that this created the design of Junio Sonic.
God I wish they hadn't changed the timing in Origins
It's kind of interesting that it goes at the same speed as Jam and Mega Collection's video, but I do miss the JP audio in the 2011 Rerelease having actual audio/sfx for the scene leading up to the iconic pose and credits. The flowers at the end have unique audio too, and the "You're too cool!" appears late in Origins on a black screen instead of with the flowers.
I'm inclined to believe that the timing/speed in Origins is the *original* speed present on the tape master that SEGA has. While the other versions on screen here are slowed down from it.
I actually didn't focus on the audio side of things here, so interesting observations you caught there! Thanks for sharing!
@@wonder-games3579 that probably is the most likely case since the video was restored by a professional team at Discotek who tend to try to be as accurate as possible to the source, so they'd more than likely want to keep it as accurate to the source tape as possible and not mess with the speed. I think the video quality being cleaner is a good enough tradeoff for the speed being weird compared to older ports
@@wonder-games3579 - I’m quite certain that the Origins version is sped up by about 2x, since the animation has clearly been overclocked beyond any normal television frame standard. I’m pretty sure it was originally sped up for the Sonic Jam collection, to squeeze both the good and bad endings into the sequence without outlasting the song. The fact that SEGA carefully matched sound effects and even Cosmic Eternity to the original speed of the footage confirms that for me.
@@SubsonicSparkle I do have a counterpoint to make here though. I'm pretty sure that the sound effects for the ending theme on the Japanese version don't match ANY of the versions shown above, not even the Mega CD one, the sound effects of the pillar falling I believe is what doesn't match any of them, though there could be more. I haven't checked this thoroughly in some time.
Edit: I have a few more things to note, the video framerate I'm pretty sure was always 30 fps at most on the games, which is well below the highest TV frame rate standard at the time of 59.94 fps. I think the animation was always at this speed, with the idea that some parts of it would be slowed down due to some sort of restrictions on the MCD version. This is proven by how some portions of the MCD FMV do match up with the footage on Jam, Mega Collection and Origins, specifically Palmtree Panic and Metallic Madness.
Finally, you mention Cosmic Eternity is synced up the animation, but...on the MCD version there's a good extra few minutes of the song playing without any animation.
When sonic Jam faster then the 2011 remaster:
2:43 cool how this scene is speed up in all but 2 versions.
Also very surprising how Sonic Origins seems a bit slower than the other 5 versions.
I think that the other versions have a second of it cut out. Thank God Origins gave us that lost one second of FMV.
Edit: It's not cut out, you're right. Why tf does Origins slow it down a little bit into the clip?
@@PrinceDinoboy Probably was the intended speed
Interesting fact: If you get all the time stones the part where Sonic throws the rock at Eggman gets skipped. Even if you went back in time and destroyed all the roboticizers. Don’t know if this was obvious but just realized.
The part with eggman is the bad ending where he collects a time stone and uses its power to rechain little planet to his mountain then the game tells the player to try again
@@SamuX_SFSB I did the roboticizer method in the mobile version and pretty sure that if you do that the Eggman part is there. If you look on UA-cam a lot of good ending videos have that part.
Ultimate cutscenes:
Sonic Origins framerate and quality + Mega CD colors
In depth comparasion:
Mega CD:
-Cropped to 16:9 until the credit cutscenes
-New extended animation not seen in the uncompressed cut (spinning dress and blinking Amy)
-The ghosting almost not noticeble but it's still there
-Adds more details to the credit cutscenes
-Skips R2 (because it's a deleted zone)
-You can see a little bit more of the top and bottom of the credit cutscenes (uncropped credit cutscenes)
1996 PC Port:
-The lowest quality one yet
-Cropped to 16:9 until the credit cutscenes
-The ghosting is not as noticeble because of how small it is
-Skips R2
-You can see more of the top and bottom of the credit cutscenes (uncropped credit cutscenes)
Sonic Jam:
-Plays at the original speed
-Ghosting.
-Somewhat compressed
-Posibly the most unaltered version
Sonic Mega Collection:
-Same as the Jam Version but the quality is a bit higher
-Missing frames (i think)
-Sonic Gems Collection
-Posibly the slowest though some scenes play a bit faster
-Has less ghosting
-Skips R2
-Quartz Quadrant cutscene ends earlier (maybe others as well)
-Credit Cutscenes don't fade when they end
2011 HD Rerelease:
-Quality might be the same as Mega Collection's version but plays a bit slower
-Ghosting
-You can see more of the top and bottom of the credit cutscenes (uncropped credit cutscenes)
-Compressed credit cutscenes
Sonic Origins:
-Plays at the original speed
-AI Upscaled to 4K, the highest quality one yet
-Ghosting is mostly removed
-the outlines in Metal Sonic cutscene look wobbly seeing it frame by frame
-Missing frames
My ranking:
1st Sonic Origins
2nd Sonic Jam
3rd Sonic Mega Collection
4th Sonic Gems Collection
5th 2011 HD Rerelease
6th Mega CD
7th 1996 PC Port
You got the Mega CD and PC 1996 cutscenes mixed up.
@@Schmunkly i didn't?...
@@eliel0503 The 1996 PC port is easily higher quality than the Mega CD version, the PC cutscenes are smoother and have more colors than the Mega CD cutscenes. Look up any playthrough of either version and you'll see what I mean. If you still think that the Mega CD is better than ok.
@@Schmunkly good point, but I meant that the PC Port is so compressed that there's barely any detail in the credit scenes, it looks like pixel soup at certain parts, at least the Mega CD version has every scene redrawn with out compression artifacts
@@eliel0503 rewatching both, I see what you mean. The stardust speedway shots just look beautiful on the Mega CD, and the little planet shot looks pretty meh on PC. However, I still prefer the PC cutscenes for the smoother frame rate and more colors, aside from that, I completely understand your point now. :)
The way it’s like doing it’s thing, I love ‘em all! I have Origins Plus and played some of the emulators of Sonic CD!
Thank you for posting this! Every now and then I come across the Sonic CD iconic opening animation, and it always looks way too fast to me compared to what I remember seeing as a kid. I've always suspected that somehow the original version was made to run on a computer that ran slower or something, and that the footage was faster on newer computers or something. I'm sure that's not actually how it works, but I'm just glad to know that I'm right that the footage has been too fast! I"m just sad I'm not sure where to find the opening at the original speed it was intended to be viewed at.
I never saw this endings before but it's so cool.
Great job dude!
What's interesting to note about the Sonic Origins version is that the video has been upscaled.
Discotek Media's AI restoration work for Sonic Origins looks amazing, but I still wonder what a restoration of the original 35mm in 4k would look like
it isnt disccotek, and it ISNT a restoration whatsoever, its a garbage ai, that dose nothing but destroy gorgeously animated footage.
@@ViewpointProd Discotek is the name of the company who made it. Yeah, it isn't really a restoration, but Sega wants a sharper image, and I don't know if they didn't scan the original 35mm film because they didn't have access or because it would be too expensive. Anyway, this is subjective and I understand why you might not like it
@@dunke10 It is subjective whatsoever, it’s objectively bad and is objectively destructive, your opinion is wrong, what I’m stating is absolute fact
@@ViewpointProd Okay, if you're so sure. There's a video by Tom Scott about restoration of old clips, I recommend you watch it, it's really worth it, and he basically says what you say
@@ViewpointProd Dude, everybody has a different opinion and their opinions are not true or false.
I like how smooth it is.
Gonna be honest…I wish they’d kept the 2011 version for origins. I liked the sound effects leading up to the rest of the ending. The slower speed lets us take in the animation a little more while still feeling fast.
Damn, I never realized that I have this game on 3 separate collections.
Gems Collection, 2011, and Origins.
I have it a total of 3 more times through Sega CD, Sega Saturn, and PS2 emulation… Mega CD, Sonic Jam, and Sonic Mega Collection.
These endings are great.
Did anyone notice that in the Cutscene at 0:00 Sonic IS in Stardust speedway?, That means the game truly end at Stardust but Now it ends on Metallic cuz is too short or something?
(If you look at the Cutscene, you can see the eggman's building on the background, in Stardust on little planet you can Cleary see the eggman's building, Mega CD, Sonic Mega Collection, Sonic Gema Collection and Origins is the high quality, y'all can see the eggman's building)
Srry for bad english
This is because the animation for the game was finished before the finalized plan for the game was set out. It was originally supposed to be that Stardust Speedway would be the final level of the game, and Metallic Madness would not be in the game. During the early stages of development, there was another level, titled R2, that was removed from the game later on in development. Because the animation for the game was finished early, you can see the cutscene for the R2 level after Palmtree Panic. Because the level did not show up for the final version, the Mega-CD version had it removed. However, in later ports of the game, the cutscene was never removed.
It does look cleaner sped up, but I liked the more retro anime-styled slow speed in the 2011 remaster. The timing of the music is way off in Origins, too. The beginning of Cosmic Eternity is cut off and I say it's the best part of the song
I honestly wish Origins didn't try to recreate the weird SEGA CD Aspect Ratio. I prefer just seeing it all. Mainly an issue with the Good Ending's Flower scene
They had to crop it, that way the credits would play.
Yo what is this song that you are using? because it's slappin'
1:48 i notice that the scraped level R2 or now what its officially called Dubious Depths is cut from the original and the mega collection release I think this is due because people won’t recognize the stage if it’s tidal tempest or not but someone I guess release the cutted clip maybe that person knew something about R2 (Btw these animations were made really early when the game was in progress so that’s why we don’t see tidal tempest and wacky workbench here)
What I thought 2:24 Was Wacky Workbench
@@donkeycheese8098 I mean it could be wacky workbench or metallic madness since this these clips were made very early since Sonic cd was still in development
@@failisha1786the platform that Sonic is riding at the start of that scene, resembles one of the ones in Wacky Workbench, and only appear in that zone.
I noticed that in Sonic Origins if got one or more time stones, you don't see Dr.Robotnik getting away, and still got the good ending. For a moment, I thought they cut it out.
I've noticed that the Origins Ending skips some frames
I know it isn't accurate to the washed out original version, but I prefer Mega CD colors better
The original cels of the animation featured a much darker Sonic than in the post-Sega CD releases.
The color change must have been caused by video compression or a poor quality scan, which the artists of the Sega CD version noticed and corrected while programming the cinematic on the console.
Pause at 3:08
I love this gameeeee
Woah woah woah sonic jam? Cd wasn’t in sonic jam? Edit, i forgot you could watch the cutscenes
The sonic origins sonic cd OG cutscenes are so fast!
Am I the only one that thinks Mega CD scene where Little planet leaves is the best. In original you can clearly see it getting smaller and smaller with some dots to display that it's speeding away when in all of the remakes it looks like planet explodes, and I'm not alone.They could just remade it instead of changing it. But it's just my opinion...
What's the background music?
ong i wanna sample it 😍
This specific music track is from a PlayStation game named "Let's & Go!! WGP Hyper Heat". Which is based off of the anime "Let's & Go!! WGP" I don't believe its soundtrack is available on UA-cam at least, but I could rip the soundtrack and upload it.
@@wonder-games3579 please do
@@wonder-games3579 please
@@wonder-games3579 this track still isnt up yet...
Hey there! I just noticed that your example of the Origins version of the Sonic CD ending has a scene where Sonic throws a rock at Eggman! All other uploads of the Origins CD ending have that scene missing. I have to know where you found your version because it does look upscaled like the rest of Origins. Even the guy who helped upscale the Sonic CD cutscenes posted his own footage of the ending cutscene and that Eggman scene is missing! If you could lease get back me to help solve this mystery. Its been driving me crazy! Thank you!
Hello there!
To answer your question, that clip comes from acquiring the bad ending in Sonic CD (either not acquiring all the time stones or not destroying every generator). It's in Origins the same way as it is in all other versions of the game.
Hope this helps!
Thanks so much for the info. I genuinely did not know that extra scene was part of the "bad ending" . I assumed it was in all versions of the ending! I'm super happy to see it wasn't cut since its one of my favorite scenes. @@wonder-games3579
Whats the song playing in the background?
It's from a PlayStation game named "Let's & Go!! WGP Hyper Heat" I will be ripping and uploading its soundtrack soon.
@@wonder-games3579 based response, looking forward to it :)
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La mejor versión de todas es la del 2011, que va acompañada perfectamente con la música.
What’s the song used here? It’s really good!
ua-cam.com/video/iTHRKz4gmpk/v-deo.html
Its at the very end of the description.
That song…
ua-cam.com/video/iTHRKz4gmpk/v-deo.html
Oh
1:52 Why is the R2 level in the credits of some of the classic Sonic collection ?
This could be possibly due to the first release of the game cause if they showed it people would be confused if it’s tidal tempest or not but I guess someone in sega decided to add it cause maybe they knew something about r2/dubious depths
The animation was made before the final level placement was made.
So that's why many of the segments are out of order compared to the game, and why RR is still present even though it got cut.
ayo why is the original games cutscene so damn colorful? they ruined the coloring overtime, kinda like how all the ports of sonic adventure kept making it worse and worse.
The original Mega CD release had to trace over the actual animation done by Toei due to size limitations. It does actually end up looking quite nice, as you said the colours are more vibrant and certain scenes even seem to flow better.
@@MsPaintMr the more you know, have an amazing day.
But Sonic CD wasn't included in mega collection
Fun fact. Even though Sonic Mega Collection did not include the game Sonic CD, it DID include the intro of CD as a bonus video in the “Extras” section under “Movies.” I remember this very well too because I loved replaying the CD intro when I was 6 on my old gamecube… such a good memory lol
@@NieRVex Also in the game files there are some placeholders referring to Sonic CD
@@KaiSonicX Yep!
I got one question
Is the good ending different when you don’t collect time stones but make a good future?
Nah
@@Æfterall k
I dont even know why you would do that considering collecting the time stones is significantly easier
@@spritesensation cuz is good future every time after u get time stones
@@neo-oc8en No it retroactively changes the bad futures you may have gotten to good futures
what's the bgm in this?
It's from a PlayStation game named "Let's & Go!! WGP Hyper Heat" I will be ripping and uploading its soundtrack soon.
ua-cam.com/video/UTtDjeKOo68/v-deo.html go to 19 44
Looks like in terms of clarity, sonic origins is the best one, and the closest to the cel colors is the mega collection
I Prefer the colors on the original Mega CD
Cd isnt on mega collection or jam
but the cutscenes are
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IT ALL LOOKS THE SAME 👀
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Unfortunate origins was a meh rerelease, especially after how good the 2011 remake was on stuff like the xbox360
It's the same version of Sonic CD
@@SolidN8 But worse lol, the release of it by itself is still leagues better with settings
@@GradythaStudips the settings in the original were the same except it came with bad filters lol, idk who used the smooth filters but they're in prison now
@@SolidN8 yea ill agree there nobody should use em but i still just rate the entirety of that release to still be better than origins on its own
@@SolidN8It's not completely identical, actually. Origins changes the 1 up soundbite from Sonic saying "Yes!" to the soundbite that plays when you break a robot generator (and for that alone I consider Origins the inferior remaster). Also, Tails is playable from the start as opposed to being gated behind completion and Plus adds Knuckles and Amy to the roster as well.
Next time do a good ending lol
This includes footage of both endings.
@@wonder-games3579 im sorry its only the bad ending