800hp+ non restricted engines, bias tires, could adjust tire stagger, could move the spoiler up or down during pit stops man times have changed 86 to 91 is my favorite era not only for those reasons but also the names of the men driving the cars.
Love the sound of those unrestricted engines. Thanks for all the 80's and 90's era races.This is what I grew up with and what made Nascar great once upon a time.
Feels so good to see Bill run in Daytona and win. Miss the good old days when racing was racing. God bless you bill, wishing your son Chase the best luck.
I went to so many races back in the 80's. My first race was 1984 in Charlotte. Loved AWESOME Bill from Dawsonville. What a ride we had for all those years.
Hey the gasman Tom sneva never knew he ran Daytona. Can’t forget super tex. Love seeing the Indy 500 winners running Daytona. Really would like to see that cross over more today
At that time Bill became only the 4th driver to win the Daytona 500 more than once in his career. The others were Richard Petty, Cale Yarborough, & Bobby Allison. There are now 11 drivers that have won the race more than once. Jeff Gordon, Dale Jarrett, Sterling Marlin, Matt Kenseth, Jimmie Johnson, Michael Waltrip, & Dale Earnhardt Jr. are the others.
This was before restrictor plates ruined racing and the cars were still up on real suspension systems. You could adjust tire stagger the rear spoiler among many other things to make your car perform. Before they ruined the sport and handed out the plates to make sure Earnhardt was a God.
Agree about restrictor plates, but suspensions remained basically unchanged. Tire stagger went away with the advent of radials and Earnhardt won thirty one races - including eleven in 1987 - and three championships - including 1987 - before restrictor plates.
Wrong about restrictor plates. Far from ruining racing the restrictor plates put the speeds back under control and briefly aided the effectiveness of the draft Dave Despain notes at 1:47:00 - the disappearance of the draft is what ruined racing and as we saw the last three Indianapolis 500s when the draft is more important than handling that is what creates passing. The cars here in 1987 would have benefitted from the roof blade as well - not only with a stronger draft but also the roof blade planted the nose on the ground - the Pontiacs in particular had a problem of pushing.
Caelroigh Blunt The switchover to radials 1989-91 has been a fundamental negative to racing because it's ruined ability to pass as much as the disappearance of the draft has - radials made it about catching the car instead of racing it (Chris Economaki makes a great point about the difference in his book LET 'EM ALL GO) - my favorite example of the difference is the 1991 Michigan 400 where Earnhardt and Davey Allison fought it out for the lead for 20 straight laps and Earnhardt was throwing the car ten lengths deeper into the corners; it was one of the last Michigan races on bias-plies and he was able to race that hard because bias-plies allowed him and everyone else to do it. Radials for the most part don't.
Michael Daly Well, I disagree. But that's the nice thing about opinions. Nobody has to be right. I'll have to pick up Economaki's book. I haven't read it. Thanks for pointing it out.
Too bad NASCAR will never again be this cool or this much fun to watch....if there is anything big business and greed have mastered in this country it's how to completely fuck up a good thing.
We were all so very fortunate ... I'm almost 59 years old as a kid I attended Ontario motor speedway 3 times as a teen I moved to Riverside in 79 so between 80 and 87 I attended more races than I can count but we were so lucky to watch men named Person Petty Yarbourough Earnhardt Elliot Jarrett Rudd Waltrip Bonnet Gant Wallace Labonte Baker Allison both Bobby and Davey Schroeder Irvan Richmond Hendrick yes Rick Hendrick and to realize years later there was a young Jimmie Johnson in attendence at that race we were so fortunate to witness in person these great names banging fenders .... Thank you 😜😜
Yes you could buy the Monte Carlo fast back in 1987. And this was the last 500 without plates.NASCAR put the plates on the cars to be able to control the outcome of the finish.
Thanks to Clyde Torkel for giving us these beautiful birds. I fell head over heals for the movie car. Then the ford teams started using these. GM countered with the Aero Coupes. It hasn’t been the same since.
The 1987 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series kicked off with the 1987 Daytona 500 which kicked off the 7th Year of NASCAR Racing on Philippine Television. This race was jointly produced and distributed by Hyper-Visions Productions, Inc. and Vintage Enterprises, Inc. and aired via tape delay on GMA Radio-Television Arts on February 16, 1987 at 7:00 P.M. right after GMA Balita
One thing about it, when Bill won his two Daytona 500s, he did it with full horsepower and none of this drafting bullsheyet pu🐱🐱y restrictor plate crap!
I remember after seeing this going that was just as good as the first one, but the longer I sat on the movie the more I realized that a lot of this stuff wasn't as interesting or funny as the first one. The best part of the movie for me was violet because it was cool to see her continue as act more confidently like she did at the end of the first movie.
oh god yes, especially in the draft. I think if your car was handling right and you had fresh tires you could hold it wide open in the turns if you could keep the rear end from coming around.
I'm witness to this as it happened along with his other wins, including the Winston Million. Started going to Nascar Grand National/Winston Cup races in 1968. That's when the cars looked like cars, (except, maybe the winged Mopars) and NASCAR didn't walk around with a stick up their ass. FYI, Bill Elliott was running the Ford Cleveland based engine in these hot rod T-Birds with Ernie Elliott doing some secretive massaging to the free breathing Cleveland heads. Does the term "Soft Heads" mean anything to anyone?
I find it crazy how much they have to let off going into the banking. Listen to bodine’s onboard, sounds like he is nearly all the way off the throttle for around 2 seconds. At that speed probably bleeding off 20mph. It’s My opinion that there Turn entry speed is 215-220 mph
Just to tell you guys, Darrell Waltrip NEVER won the Firecracker/Pepsi/Coke Zero 400 or in this case the July race at Daytona. He won in IROC and Xfinity competition, the duels, Unlimited, and of course the 1989 Daytona 500. There is no way we could have unrestricted engines, someone will die or pass out due to the excessive g-forces. The plate was put there for a reason: Allison flew into the fence at Talladega, then won the last non-plate race at Daytona, and won the first ever restrictor plate race the 1988 Daytona 500. Today with the exhaust system they turn 8800 RPM's around as well, which is what they were turning even back then. This is also the second fastest Daytona 500 in the history of the race.
Excessive G-forces? Rusty Wallace didn't seem to have a problem back in 2004 when he ran an unrestricted hot lap at 'Dega, reaching 228mph going into turn 3. Sure there's danger from speeds exceeding 200 or so, but I doubt they'd be going anywhere near fast enough for that to be a problem. If a single car can do that, you'd be looking at speeds approaching 240mph. That's insane.
1mind2have4now That was a test on a closed course, he wasn't running 188 laps, just about 20 laps in 3 runs to see if they could get it to go any faster. His average speed for his fastest lap was over 217 MPH.
And I'm not sure they were trying that hard, because if they had prepared the car they way they would for a normal racing situation, Rusty could very well have run laps of 225+ MPH. And there's no way they can race like that, because if something goes wrong at that speed, the results would be even more catastrophic than what happened at LeMans in 1955. After all, Bobby Allison's car nearly went into the stands at the 1987 Winston 500 when shrapnel from his own blown engine blew out his right rear tire at about 210. Add another 20 MPH to that, and the cars would probably clear the catch fencing, even though it's higher than it was then.
800hp+ non restricted engines, bias tires, could adjust tire stagger, could move the spoiler up or down during pit stops man times have changed 86 to 91 is my favorite era not only for those reasons but also the names of the men driving the cars.
Love the sound of those unrestricted engines. Thanks for all the 80's and 90's era races.This is what I grew up with and what made Nascar great once upon a time.
R.I.P To Davey Allison, Neil Bonnett, Dale Earnhardt, Allan Kulwicki, Benny Parsons and J.D. Mcduffie.
Tim Richmond
And Connie Sailor
Hard to believe that they’re All gone
My wife and I went out and bought a red '88 T Bird Sport later that year Bill has always been my favorite driver.
Those 87 Thunderbirds were beautiful cars. I bought one off the showroom floor. Davey had the best looking stock car ever.
I agree man the white & black with gold #'s was the prettiest race car Ive ever seen...my favorite 4 sure
So lucky i got to grow up in the 70s and 80s and got see these racing legends race together.
This is real racing. I quit watching NASCAR some years back because of all of the new rules and restrictions.
Same here, buddy!
@@civlyzed And here
Yeah. Theyve gotten very heavy handed in the way the sport is run.
Been watching since I was born (1989) I’d rather watch NASCAR than any other sport
If a lot of these folks got to see the older racing they would turn away from this or watching with a humorous sense.
Feels so good to see Bill run in Daytona and win. Miss the good old days when racing was racing. God bless you bill, wishing your son Chase the best luck.
What a sound they made !! Wow.
seeing the names in this lineup.....WOW
It's like hearing about old friends!
No, its like knowing what to some these drivers years later...
@@castrotroy6622 and thar Indonesia recognize about 10 of them!
I miss this Nascar
me 2
All of us true fans do man
I went to so many races back in the 80's. My first race was 1984 in Charlotte. Loved AWESOME Bill from Dawsonville. What a ride we had for all those years.
R.I.P. Davey Allison 😎
Awesome Bill, my dad's favorite driver
That #28 is such a beautiful car. A classic for a tagic reason
R.I.P.
4:48 Just casually adjusting the rearview mirror in traffic at 200mph.
back when the race only took 2 hours instead of 3 to four hours because of the 23 cautions per race we have nowadays
This definitely took 3 hours to run, Speed Channel edited these versions big time.
Getting old sucks, I'm going back, anyone with me?
ME !
If you consider wearing a diaper because of incontinence as going back I think you will have a lot of company :(
I'm going to drive the bus
Me three!
For me, getting old doesn't suck....but it sure was nice being young!
man just listen to those unrestricted engines on a super speedway race man do I miss these days happy that I see this full race on youtube
Thank you for putting these races up. So thankful I can watch nascar again seeing how current nascar is ruined
Hey the gasman Tom sneva never knew he ran Daytona. Can’t forget super tex. Love seeing the Indy 500 winners running Daytona. Really would like to see that cross over more today
Miss the old days of Nascar,drivers were real. Always was and will be a Bill Elliott fan till I die, go #9!!
Same here!
Man, thirty years ago I was too busy with family, home, and work to have time to watch the racing. Now I can't get enough of it.
Listen to those unrestricted engines scream!!
you can feel the danger
Kevin Newton how fast did these babies go back then? Like average lap speed
@@anamarte9859 Pole speed was 210.364 mph Bill Elliott
1987 Daytona 500 was the first race I ever went to. My dad told me to root for the yellow #5 so I did. DAMN IT!!!!!
The last Daytona 500 pre-restrictor plates
So cool, i was there in the infield between turns 1 and 2 for this race, so glad I found it, Thanx!
This was the last Daytona 500 before restrictor plates were mandated.
At that time Bill became only the 4th driver to win the Daytona 500 more than once in his career. The others were Richard Petty, Cale Yarborough, & Bobby Allison. There are now 11 drivers that have won the race more than once. Jeff Gordon, Dale Jarrett, Sterling Marlin, Matt Kenseth, Jimmie Johnson, Michael Waltrip, & Dale Earnhardt Jr. are the others.
Daytona sure has changed in the last 25 years.
35 years ago Man !,, Hope I'm here for 40
Awesome Bill from Dawsonville!
Man I miss the SPEED channel
7:45. Boy have times changed!
Have you switched laundry soap?
125,000 watching. Takes 5 races now to = 125,000 in attendance! :-o
This was before restrictor plates ruined racing and the cars were still up on real suspension systems. You could adjust tire stagger the rear spoiler among many other things to make your car perform. Before they ruined the sport and handed out the plates to make sure Earnhardt was a God.
Agree about restrictor plates, but suspensions remained basically unchanged. Tire stagger went away with the advent of radials and Earnhardt won thirty one races - including eleven in 1987 - and three championships - including 1987 - before restrictor plates.
Wrong about restrictor plates. Far from ruining racing the restrictor plates put the speeds back under control and briefly aided the effectiveness of the draft Dave Despain notes at 1:47:00 - the disappearance of the draft is what ruined racing and as we saw the last three Indianapolis 500s when the draft is more important than handling that is what creates passing.
The cars here in 1987 would have benefitted from the roof blade as well - not only with a stronger draft but also the roof blade planted the nose on the ground - the Pontiacs in particular had a problem of pushing.
Caelroigh Blunt The switchover to radials 1989-91 has been a fundamental negative to racing because it's ruined ability to pass as much as the disappearance of the draft has - radials made it about catching the car instead of racing it (Chris Economaki makes a great point about the difference in his book LET 'EM ALL GO) - my favorite example of the difference is the 1991 Michigan 400 where Earnhardt and Davey Allison fought it out for the lead for 20 straight laps and Earnhardt was throwing the car ten lengths deeper into the corners; it was one of the last Michigan races on bias-plies and he was able to race that hard because bias-plies allowed him and everyone else to do it. Radials for the most part don't.
Michael Daly Well, I disagree. But that's the nice thing about opinions. Nobody has to be right. I'll have to pick up Economaki's book. I haven't read it. Thanks for pointing it out.
Why? The racing is superior, the speeds are more in control.
Too bad NASCAR will never again be this cool or this much fun to watch....if there is anything big business and greed have mastered in this country it's how to completely fuck up a good thing.
A ball cap was considered safety equipment for the pit crew back in the day.
When his car was right weren't many who could hang with Ol'Awesome at Daytona or Dega
1987. One of my favourite Daytona 500 of all time apart from many others.
We were all so very fortunate ... I'm almost 59 years old as a kid I attended Ontario motor speedway 3 times as a teen I moved to Riverside in 79 so between 80 and 87 I attended more races than I can count but we were so lucky to watch men named Person Petty Yarbourough Earnhardt Elliot Jarrett Rudd Waltrip Bonnet Gant Wallace Labonte Baker Allison both Bobby and Davey Schroeder Irvan Richmond Hendrick yes Rick Hendrick and to realize years later there was a young Jimmie Johnson in attendence at that race we were so fortunate to witness in person these great names banging fenders .... Thank you 😜😜
07:33 that steering ratio🤯🙈
The in-car camera shots mostly consisting of G. Bodine & D. Waltrip are fascinating at those speeds. Especially of Waltrip's calm, cool demeanor
The 1987 Thunderbird was one of the all time-great car designs.
30 years ago , man
35 years ago , Man
Awsome bill sending home crying to their momies once again
What an action packed 500.
Back when men were men. Love these old uploads
Where were they uploading 😂
I was at this race setting in the old grandstand area row 12 right behind the starting line.
Good drive Richard Petty
Those mid 80's T Birds were so fast NASCAR had to let the GM teams run sloped rear windows that weren't even equipped from the factory.
You could buy the Areo Coupe version from Chevy. They had to build so many to be NASCAR legal.
Yes you could buy the Monte Carlo fast back in 1987. And this was the last 500 without plates.NASCAR put the plates on the cars to be able to control the outcome of the finish.
Old Bill pulling the Richard Petty trick of hiding the bottle. Its funny watching them roll into the pits at 100mph back then without a penalty.
the last race at Daytona before it became a lottery race
Thanks to Clyde Torkel for giving us these beautiful birds. I fell head over heals for the movie car. Then the ford teams started using these. GM countered with the Aero Coupes. It hasn’t been the same since.
Look at all the fans. What did they do to this sport in a relatively short amount of time
30 years ago today!
These in car views gave such a greater sense of speed than nowadays.. dontcha think?
The 1987 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series kicked off with the 1987 Daytona 500 which kicked off the 7th Year of NASCAR Racing on Philippine Television. This race was jointly produced and distributed by Hyper-Visions Productions, Inc. and Vintage Enterprises, Inc. and aired via tape delay on GMA Radio-Television Arts on February 16, 1987 at 7:00 P.M. right after GMA Balita
It was Winston Cup Racing then. Monster didn't exist
Could someone provide the name of the background music during the presentation of the cars and drivers? 01:10
One thing about it, when Bill won his two Daytona 500s, he did it with full horsepower and none of this drafting bullsheyet pu🐱🐱y restrictor plate crap!
Love these old school races 200mph
Bill Elliot getting it done
BP and Petty damn you don't see that kinda racing these days
What is the name of the song played during the starting grid!
+Peyton Hamlett The Electric Horseman...
+atlfan48 no it's not
+atlfan48 never mind I found it
Is that music score uploaded to UA-cam? I can't find it.
@@NotSteveCook
ua-cam.com/video/H2_oCm1ZVbA/v-deo.html
Funny how these cars sound like the ones we have today because of the single sided boom tube
anyone know the musical score at the start of video up to about the 2:00 mark??
Back when the country wasn't so godamned politically correct ...
Love the info by Dave despain draft
Take off the restrictor plates and get rid of the packs of cars and you won't have to worry about taking out 20 cars in a wreck
I still wonder what it would have been like if we hadn’t lost Davey, Adam, and Alan.
Davey was on the verge of greatness when he was killed...
Davey Allison had more class in his little finger than most people today, he ranks up there with John Wayne
What's the title of the music bed under the starting lineup?
44.80sec lap speeds. damn
46 seconds at Talladega!
Big win for Wild Bill from Dawsonville. Last top 5 in the 500 for Richard Petty.
I remember after seeing this going that was just as good as the first one, but the longer I sat on the movie the more I realized that a lot of this stuff wasn't as interesting or funny as the first one. The best part of the movie for me was violet because it was cool to see her continue as act more confidently like she did at the end of the first movie.
Too bad modern NASCAR executives aren't watching this. It's turned into more WWE than racing.
One for the books !!
Never realized that Hobbs was a real Schrader fanboy that day.
Ultegra10SPD Long before he became a bona fide Hamilton fanboy.
can anyone tell me if these cars had to lift in the turns?
oh god yes, especially in the draft. I think if your car was handling right and you had fresh tires you could hold it wide open in the turns if you could keep the rear end from coming around.
I'm witness to this as it happened along with his other wins, including the Winston Million. Started going to Nascar Grand National/Winston Cup races in 1968. That's when the cars looked like cars, (except, maybe the winged Mopars) and NASCAR didn't walk around with a stick up their ass. FYI, Bill Elliott was running the Ford Cleveland based engine in these hot rod T-Birds with Ernie Elliott doing some secretive massaging to the free breathing Cleveland heads. Does the term "Soft Heads" mean anything to anyone?
William Charles can you explain further please? Was it a 351w Windsor block with Cleveland heads?
Ask Waltrip he hated us lolol.
@@nhlninetyfour Australian Cleveland block. Haven't found any really solid info on how to identify them though.
Awesome Bill was the fastest man in the 80’s.
I find it crazy how much they have to let off going into the banking. Listen to bodine’s onboard, sounds like he is nearly all the way off the throttle for around 2 seconds. At that speed probably bleeding off 20mph. It’s My opinion that there Turn entry speed is 215-220 mph
Bill Elliott is the best NASCAR driver !
Richard had a chance
Just to tell you guys, Darrell Waltrip NEVER won the Firecracker/Pepsi/Coke Zero 400 or in this case the July race at Daytona. He won in IROC and Xfinity competition, the duels, Unlimited, and of course the 1989 Daytona 500.
There is no way we could have unrestricted engines, someone will die or pass out due to the excessive g-forces. The plate was put there for a reason: Allison flew into the fence at Talladega, then won the last non-plate race at Daytona, and won the first ever restrictor plate race the 1988 Daytona 500. Today with the exhaust system they turn 8800 RPM's around as well, which is what they were turning even back then.
This is also the second fastest Daytona 500 in the history of the race.
Excessive G-forces? Rusty Wallace didn't seem to have a problem back in 2004 when he ran an unrestricted hot lap at 'Dega, reaching 228mph going into turn 3. Sure there's danger from speeds exceeding 200 or so, but I doubt they'd be going anywhere near fast enough for that to be a problem.
If a single car can do that, you'd be looking at speeds approaching 240mph. That's insane.
1mind2have4now That was a test on a closed course, he wasn't running 188 laps, just about 20 laps in 3 runs to see if they could get it to go any faster. His average speed for his fastest lap was over 217 MPH.
And I'm not sure they were trying that hard, because if they had prepared the car they way they would for a normal racing situation, Rusty could very well have run laps of 225+ MPH. And there's no way they can race like that, because if something goes wrong at that speed, the results would be even more catastrophic than what happened at LeMans in 1955. After all, Bobby Allison's car nearly went into the stands at the 1987 Winston 500 when shrapnel from his own blown engine blew out his right rear tire at about 210. Add another 20 MPH to that, and the cars would probably clear the catch fencing, even though it's higher than it was then.
Can anyone please tell me who the English voice belongs to? I'm amazed to find such an all-American racing series had a commentator from Blighty.
David Hobbs
David Hobbs, I assume he must have driven NASCAR but I don't know. certainly had a few F1 drives
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hobbs_(racing_driver)
You can read about his career.
Go here on YT to hear the unique voice of Brit Jackie Stewart excitedly describe the greatness of the '74 Firecracker 400.
It's with all sports 💥
Looks like a NASCAR Allstar race. The good ol days
Extremely dangerous in those days. Any lap could be your last.
I thought AJ was gonna kick Econimaci out of the cut away car and pull a Buford T Justice
#28 Davey Allison
I'm 100% Mopar but when there were no Mopars I had to go with the ford guys Martin Davy Bill and AK
Last real balls out nascar race
Did darrell waltrip drive for rick Hendrix at this point?
Noah McIver yes he drove for Hendrick 87 through 91 actually 87 through 90
I miss real racing...
“Former winston cup champion”
The start of the cut away
They're using the theme from WWF prime time in that era
superkryp13 - actually nowadays with the draft effective on the plate tracks again passing is not as hard as it is here.
we need different body shapes now!
God damn! That Thunderbird was sexy.
I have always wanted to build me one and for a power plant drop in a 5.8 supercharged Trinity like is in my Shelby GT 500!